Missing in Arizona contains graphic depictions of violence and may not be suitable for all listeners. When I investigate these cases, my first task is to earn the trust of victims, loved ones, and law enforcement. I have to prove that I'm not some bloodsucking parasite, just here for a few days to extract trauma, microwave it and pop out watery entertainment trash. So many people hate the media, and I
get it. I've been on both sides, interviewer interviewee. I've seen media repeatedly get things wrong, and when you read, or watch or hear something false reported as fact, of course, you're going to lose trust. Many years ago, I quit grad school and gave up on the idea of a full time journalism career. I left my apartment in New York and moved to a shack in Oregon. My journey back is bizarre, a ten year odyssey, culminating in season one Missing in Alaska. Now I'm free. Here's what I see.
I see a news industry self immolating at the altar of objectivity, leach the value by private equity and big tech captive to insincere bias accusations as its favorability sinks into the sewer alongside Pennywise, who at this point might be more trusted. I see media busses preach free speech than muscle employees with opinions, or worse, hire employees who have none, vanilla automaton scribes. I see a bipolar political media,
either sycophantic or unnecessarily pugilistic. I see hack profiteers in charge of the entertainment industry, doltish gatekeepers breaking the bones of narrative innovation. I see entertainment companies put up pride flags while funding demagogues. I also see thousands of local and regional reporters working hard for little pay because they care about their communities. I hope you see them too.
In the true crime industry, I see predatory sponges who soak up other people's labor and squeeze out uncredited derivative works for clout and cash. In the process. They have I suppose created a new genre half true crime. Take Crime Junkie, one of the most popular shows in the world, A show that faced repeated allegations of plagiarism, A show that won Best Crime Podcast at this year's iHeart Podcast Awards. In twenty eighteen, Crime Junkie did an episode on Robert Fisher.
Here's some of what they said.
Robert Fisher was off work on April ninth, two thousand and one. False and spent the day installing attic insulation false and got an oil change false. That evening, he took his daughter Brittany to a church event.
False.
Police suspect he used gasoline to help burn down his house.
False.
It took hours for the house to burn down.
False.
He frequented strip clubs.
False.
He had a black lab named Blue false. Who shows up in home videos false. Mary's forerunner was wiped clean.
False.
There wasn't a single fingerprint, hair, or fiber on or in it.
False.
Police found footprints leading from the suv to a case.
False.
Spelunkers searched the cave with robot cameras.
False. I understand that I have the luxury of spending years on a single story. I find details others miss in this case, I don't blame Arizona reporters, the police, or the FBI for making mistakes. They worked hard in two thousand and one, and they're too busy wrangling today's chaos. To focus full time on the past. On the other hand, I have no problem calling out entertainers who can't even get basic facts correct but go on to fame and
fortune by freeloading off actual journalists. They are toxic copy and pasters who perpetuate myths and pollute case canon. They do tangible harm, and they waste your time. You can't solve mysteries with fake clues. For example, the footprints allegedly found leading from Mary's suv to a cave fascinating if true, but it's not. Why should you care? Well? If I say police found footprints from the suv to a cave, but no return tracks, you might think understandably that Robert
died by suicide in the cave. His body must be in there somewhere. But if I say no, that's false, your mind opens up. Maybe he's alive, and maybe you'll help us look for him. The small stuff matters. Details matter. From iHeartRadio and Neon thirty three. I'm John Walzac and this is Missing in Arizona, the story of a man who disappeared after allegedly killing his wife and kids, blowing
up their suburban home and escaping into the wilderness. Twenty three years later, I'm hunting Robert Fisher, and I need your help. The early confused days of this case gave birth to myths that persist today, including the man in the woods and the footprints the man in the wood.
We received information from a witness, as citizen who had observed what he thought to be the vehicle of mister Fisher and the dog of mister Fisher, and in fact saw a person that he thought was mister Fisher.
This statement about a mystery man in the woods is incorrect. It's based on erroneous early reports. Right now, all indications are that he is alive.
We know he was seen yesterday morning at eleven by the witness, the original witness, and that he's on the move.
Notice how a vague sighting got more specific. We know the witness saw Fisher yesterday at eleven am. That's false, Greg, the camper who found the suv never saw anyone in the woods. Meanwhile, the Arizona Republic reported that pilots with the state Department of Public Safety or DPS, also saw the man in the woods near a cave. Quote a man was spotted on the ground between the truck and the cave. He appeared aware that the police helicopter was overhead.
It was unclear whether the man was armed or how long he had been in the area. This is false. The pilots didn't see anyone. My goal here is not to humiliate law enforcement. In fact, debunking this myth makes them look better. Early on, they were heavily criticized for flying over the suv before reaching it on the ground, possibly alerting Fisher that they found him, giving him time to run. But since the man in the woods is myth not fact, this is moot. I'm also not trying
to slam the Arizona Republic. Reporters covering breaking news do their best to determine which rumors are true. Sometimes they make mistakes. It's okay to admit that to fix it. The problem is that the original false version often lives on no matter what. This is also true of the footprints.
The grid search covered approximately five hundred yards and a one mile square trying to locate any footprint.
Everyone scans dirt and snow looking for tracks.
In fact, a helicopter search of the area spotted footprints where Fisher's current dog were found on Friday.
A track that has been found leaving the area where the truck was.
Wait, they did find footprints, Yes, they.
Did, a mile or so south of the truck.
A mile from the suv, not leading from the suv to a cave.
Going down into the reservation area. The tracks went down, but there was no tracks coming back out.
The size of their boot trim size thirteen.
I don't know if it's him.
It's not something about his physical appearance that nobody ever mentions, as he had small feet.
John Roden, a Fisher family friend, he had.
Like size eight feet unusual. Really, Yeah, and you cannot change your feet size that much.
Mary Beth Rodin, John's wife, how sure are you that it was size eight?
Is that a guess?
I'm pretty sure. If it wasn't size eight, it was size nine, which is still small.
It was not size thirteen.
No, it was not even size little bitty feet.
When they found the forerunner, they found a set of size thirteen prints leading away from it.
Those were not his feet.
And let's say, I have a long list of questions, and this was one that I just didn't think anybody would remember his shoe size.
Because it was weird. Yeah, we won hunting. We shared a tent with him as like, wow, you got small feet.
So the Rodents say Robert wore an eight to nine shoe. In addition, the sneakers police found in his worklocker were a nine point five. Neither is even close to at thirteen. In the end, myth, police found Robert Fisher's footprints leading from Mary's fore runner to a cave. Verdict. Police did find prince size thirteen a mile away, likely left by someone scavenging for elk antlers. Myth. The Arizona DPS pilots and Greg the camper saw the man in the woods,
probably Robert Fisher. Verdict false. A few weeks after the search ends, HeLa County Detective Brian Hay boards a helicopter in Payson.
And then we flew at nighttime over the entire area looking for campfires.
Eyes, you're in a helicopter flying under a blanket of stars, trying to spot flickering dots in a vast obsidian forest.
Nights up there can be rather cool. Maybe he would have a campfire that we could pinpoint and with GPS located five to seven them. And then we followed up on foot and patrol vehicles. What area did you search virtually all the woods within three or four miles five miles.
Of the fore runner, and none of those leads spand out no On May eleventh, two thousand and one, police finally track down Greg, the camper who located Mary's four runner twenty two days earlier. Greg left Arizona before they can meet him in person, so they interview him by phone at his brother's house in Oregon. They find him highly suspicious. Why did he flee so quickly? Why did
he disappear for weeks? Did he help Robert escape? Four days later, they get copies of security tapes from cameras at the gas station where Greg used a payphone to call his friends, who in turn called the police. There's no sign of Greg or Robert on the tapes. May twenty eighth, Memorial Day, A Blazing Summer begins. June twenty third, twenty eight year old Honey Hanjor joins a flight simulator club in Phoenix. Soon he'll pilot a plane into the Pentagon.
July tenth, a Phoenix FBI agent pens a memo warning of the possibility of a coordinated effort by Osama bin Laden to send students to the US to attend civil aviation schools. July nineteenth, the Maricopa County Attorney's Office releases an indictment charging Robert Fisher with murder and arson. The longer he evades authorities, the more he melts into state lore, a homicidal phantom wandering the wilderness alongside the likes of the Muggy On Monster, Arizona's Bigfoot.
His suv may have been found, but triple murder suspect Robert Fisher has never been located. With that in mind, he County authorities are planning a second all out man hunt for Fisher in hopes of finding him dead or alive. Robert Fisher is the primary suspect and the murder of his wife and two children, whose bodies were found in their burning Scottsdale home last April. Scottsdale police say the home was rigged to explode in order to hide the homicides.
Even though Fisher hasn't been seen since the incident, Scottsdale police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere.
You know, we have to base our investigations on fact, and we have no evidence to show that Rappert Fisher is dead.
He may or may not be living somewhere in that area.
Nothing would please us more than to find the body.
The search is scheduled for August and is being billed as a quote training exercise, but it will, no doubt focus on the numerous caves found in the area where Fisher's SUV was discovered.
But the thirch never takes place. The HeLa County Sheriff cancels it, saying, quote, we've turned up no new leads. We're satisfied that the chances he's up there are slim to none. August eleventh, nearly seven million people watch America's Most Wanted, which features a four minute segment on Fisher. It generates fifty two new leads. August eighteenth, five forty nine PM, a man calls the TV tip line from Pietro's Italian restaurant in Chester, Virginia, just south of Richmond.
This is Robert Fisher. He says, you'll never catch me. I'm glad I killed the bitch. The call is brief, it isn't recorded. Scott Steel Detective John Kirkham tells the media quote, some things were said in the call that led us to believe it was Robert Fisher. Police in Virginia find no proof the caller was actually Fisher. For a time, they stake out the restaurant to no avail.
September tenth, two thousand and one, the Arizona Republic runs a quick update quote officials now concede he meaning Fisher may be dead. Nine to eleven. We just had a.
Plane crash and grew up before all the World.
Trade sent to transmit a second alarm.
And starving little katy companies into the area.
Yeah, Hi, hey, tho, she fell a baller from the two to one.
Yeah, you guys should call them Anhattan dispatch and let him know. I had never seen so much smoke coming through a film as I speak in the World Trades and up by the water upon it. It's unbelievable.
They have the art on the news.
Stations, but they only gave a second larn there.
It's like to set the long spee on it. They should go to a fifth instantly with the he goes to the side of the building. It looks like the numerous flaws exploded out. It's it's insane right now as somebody answer to every available ablist that they could possibly get over there, This is going to be the event of the century.
Only a month after America's Most Wanted elevates Fisher to national prominence, nine to eleven wipes him away. He falls into a fugitive sweet spot. The post nine to eleven, pre social media, pre smartphone, don'nut whole, federal resources and public attention turned to terrorism. On October twenty fifth, as the US bombs the Taliban in Afghanistan, Detective Kirkham tells the Arizona Republic that Fisher is likely alive. Quote. I don't believe that he's up in the woods. I don't
believe that he committed suicide. He was not intent on taking his own life. His intent was to take care of his problem and move on with his life. No remorse, no regret. He's probably living in another state and working at some menial job. I think that we'll probably find him. It may be tomorrow, it may be years down the road. It depends on us finding the mistake he made that we haven't picked up on yet, or on him making a mistake. In February two thousand and two, the FBI joins the case.
I was the first agent assigned.
Robert Caldwell Scott Sell came to.
The FBI to help find Inzana Probo cause to believe he fled the state. So therefore the FBI now has jurisdiction to assist them. If a fugitive fled the state, it's called unwulf of flight to void prosecution. So they came to us, sat down with their detectives. We went through everything, developed a ton of leads, came up with some investigative strategies, and went to work.
Caldwell starts digging into Fisher's past, including his childhood.
Nothing came up that was ever like he was a trouble kid, or did drugs.
Or killed animals.
No, nothing at all.
Caldwell immediately knows that the case is cooler than cool. It's ice cold. Publicity is key. On April fourth, two thousand and two days before the first anniversary of the murders, he and Detective Kirkham hosts the one hour public chat on FBI dot gov. Two months later, the bureau deploys its most valuable pr weapon.
Fisher is still very much a priority with the FBI.
He's on the ten most wanted list, right along with the likes of Osama bin Laden, Eric Rudolph.
There is Robert William Fisher.
At the time, Eric Rudolph, the Olympic Park bomber, is hiding in the forested mountains of North Carolina. Bin Laden is on the run in Afghanistan or Pakistan. His last known location was the Tora Bora Cave complex. Rudolph is arrested in two thousand and three. Bin Laden dies in twenty eleven. Only Fisher remains free.
Forty two year old Robert Fisher is a fugitive. He is a phantom. He is a hunting figure in the history of Arizona.
On August seventh, two thousand and two, the Arizona Republic runs a poll on its website, what do you think happened to Robert Fisher escaped and is living in the US? Eighty percent himself after the murders, nine percent still in Arizona, seven percent died of exposure while on the run shortly after the murders four percent. The next few years, Speed by the US invades Iraq, Facebook launches, Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans, Kanye the Killers, and Taylor Swift break into
pop culture. Nothing much happens with the Fisher case. In April two thousand and six. At the five year mark, Detective Kirkham tells the Republic quote, no one believes he's dead in a cave. We would have found some trace of his body by now. Three months later, Kirkham, only forty seven, dies of a stroke. Summer two thousand and six, multiple serial killers stalk the Phoenix Metro, including the Baseline Killer and the serial shooter.
I was heavily involved in that investigation.
Scottsdale Lieutenant Hugh Lockerbye.
These guys running around Phoenix to shooting at people and killing them.
The serial shooter, not to be confused with the Phoenix Ceial Street shooter, the Phoenix Freeway shooter, or the Scottsdale spree shooter different cases. Ends up being two men meth fueld roommates who kill eight people, including one in Scottsdale. Police arrest them on August third, two thousand and six. A month later, they identify and arrest the Baseline killer with the help of Stephen Pitt, a forensic psychiatrist, who himself is murdered in twenty eighteen by the Scottsdale spree shooter.
I don't want to give you the wrong idea Despite a few high profile crimes, Scottsdale is for the most part, incredibly safe. In twenty twenty three, with a population of two hundred and forty five thousand, it had one homicide.
It's very much a metropolitan area, just a suburb of Phoenix.
Here we are in Phoenix, Arizona.
Yeah, excuse me, Scott Steel, Arizona.
Pardon me.
For a while, the Fisher case is in limbo. Police are busy chasing serial killers.
But by two thousand and seven, I take it over and I'd meet Bob call Immerse myself talking to the family.
Members, including Mary's dad, Bill Cooper. Two years later, in December two thousand and nine, Bill dies. April twenty third, twenty eleven, the Arizona Republic headline FBI manhans still on for Robert Fisher, suspect and murders in one likely is alive. Agent Caldwell says, quote, all our evidence has been that he's the kind of guy who wouldn't go kill himself. He took a lot of belongings from the home, clothing, guns, like he was moving himself out. None of that stuff
was found in the vehicle. He's out there hunting fishing, chewing tobacco with a sore back. In the lobby of the FBI's Phoenix office, a wanted poster of Fisher hangs directly above Osama bin Laden. Nine days later, Navy seals kill bin Laden in Pakistan. In April twenty twelve, the Pacin Roundup reports that the FBI quote believes Fisher may be living in the Blue Ridge Reservoir area as a hermit, or squatting in a trailer cabin or an old home
in the woods. Fisher walks with an exaggerated upright walk, has a bad back, probably has long hair, and is homeless looking. In twenty fourteen, Hugh Lockerbie, then a detective, tells the Arizona Republic Fisher is likely living somewhere out west New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, even Canada, quote anywhere where he can hunt fish keep a low profile. In twenty sixteen, at the fifteen year mark, the FBI releases ads progressed images of Fisher. There's no reason to believe
he's dead, they say. Bob Caldwell later retires, but he remains deeply invested in this case and retains a strong personal animosity towards Fisher.
He thinks he's a real man's man when he's not. He's not a ladies man. He's kind of a failure of life. He's a bully to women. I don't think he's got the guts to come forward. He's a piece of shit. If he is alive, he needs to be brought to justice. And I don't care if there's somebody else out there that's like, well, he's good to me.
Whatever.
No, there's a bigger picture here now. He's going to get his justice one day. It's going to be up there or down there, whichever, but it's going to.
Happen one day.
But he needs to get his justice here first.
In Scottsdale, Hugh Lockerby is promoted from detective to lieutenant. He began his career as a patrol officer whose beat included the Fisher House. In fact, he was working the night of the murders.
I wonder how close I was to Fisher, Like I wish I could retrace my steps. How close did I drive by his house? How close did I drive by the bank?
Did I pass him?
When he was leaving town?
On November third, twenty twenty one, the FBI removes Fisher from its ten most Wanted list. According to the Associated Press, he's only the eleventh person since nineteen fifty removed before apprehension, death, or dismissal of charges, and that more or less brings us to today. The current investigators are Scott Steel, Detective John Heinzelman, an FBI special agent. Taylor Hannah tell me the FBI's official position on whether or not Robert Fisher is a lot or dead.
There is no official position. My background is in science. Previous to this, I was working on my PhD in biology, so I approach this case very scientifically. There are one hundred thousand pet theories hypotheses out there of what happened to Fisher, and so I really wanted to approach this case with none of those right. I wanted to re examine all the facts and the actual evidence and see what we could do with that. What I did not want to do is come on and create any theories
or hypotheses based on just my assumptions. So I would say the Bureau has no stance. I think we are open to the fact that he could be dead or alive, and that obviously we are going to try to find him either way.
So Fisher was on the ten most Wanted list from twenty two to twenty twenty one. Can you talk about the criteria for how somebody gets included on the list and why he was removed?
Sure?
So the criteria typically is just how beneficial is it going to be to that case. There are a lot of really bad people out there. There are a lot of people that have done crime is very similar to Robert Fisher, right it in America, sadly, and not all of them were on the Top ten list. He was initially added to get his picture out there, to get the story out there and hope someone would see him. After twenty years, all those tips didn't lead to the
resolution of his case yet or to finding him. So opposed to taking up one of those spots that could be used for another case, That's why we decided to take him off the Top ten.
Agent Hannah and Detective Heinzelmann still get leads almost every week.
Maybe there's somebody out there that knows him or helped him along the way. Even twenty years ago. This says, well, he called me and I gave him a ride or I picked him up where the forerunner was, and I drove him to flag Staff or whatever it is. But I always thought that law enforcement was going to figure that out, they were going to catch him, so I didn't want to come forward. And now I'm finally saying, Okay, I'm older, I'm going to come forward.
I'm going to talk investigators. Ask me to emphasize this point. If you know something, please speak up. If you had an affair with Robert Fisher, if you helped him escape, if you know him today and you're worried about legal culpability, you're not the target Fisher is. Please come forward to law enforcement or to me. In the meantime, Scottsdale and the FBI are always looking for ways to develop new leads.
For example, we geographically cluster relatives at one point to see if there were any hot spots, and there was one identified. There was a timeframe where people unrelated reporting someone that matched his description in a certain area, and that was one that really got our attention. We sent agents is prior to me coming to the case to interview all those people and obviously to search. This was a fisherman that was transient through that area. So it's still hard. But again you find Fisher.
You just call that number right there. I will make sure that.
You know.
I actually do not remember, just because I've gone through so many I just remember it's town or all fishermen, So they knew all the people coming and going, and this was a new individual that came through town that resembled Robert Fisher, and there were multiple reports seemingly unrelated. It was in the US.
As far as physical evidence, what might exist today and what could it tell us, investigators don't know for sure what Fisher took with him and what burned in the fire. None of his belongings were ever located. They think he took a thirty eight Revolver, camping supplies, clothing.
And a bike that he did use pretty frequently was missing, and we would have found remants.
Of the bike.
Up next, that.
Is Robert Fisher's mountain bike that he gave me.
If you like this show, please download our first two seasons, Missing in Alaska and Missing on nine to eleven. For updates, visit meon thirty three dot com or follow me on Twitter at John waalzac j O n Wa l Czak. Thanks for listening. Jim roden knew the entire Fisher family. He was Robert's friend and Britney's youth pastor. His brother John and sister in law Mary Beth are the couple you heard earlier who remembered Robert's two size Jim, John
and Robert went hunting together. They also went camping with their wives and kids. Brittany was even at Jim's house two days before the murders for a sleepover with friends, supervised by Jim's wife. So I was surprised to hear that Scott.
Steel Peede never interviewed me, real never interviewed me, And that was the weirdest thing. It's like I knew his daughter I spoke at the memorial. Did no never interviewed me, never been interviewed.
Jim met Robert in the nineties. At the time, many people called him Bob. What did Jim call him?
Not Bob, It's Robert. I toy with people's names just to poke m around. So I'm Pastor Cupcake, and my wife after this whole thing went down, she was half convinced that we were going to hear him outside our window whispering a pastor Cupcake, like he'd be on the lamb and maybe come to our house. And say pastor cupcake. So there was that kind of silly relationship.
Eating all the.
Cupcakes that Mary made and him calling me pastor cupcake. He got a kick out of that. Lying in a tent and I'm a little bit of a youngest child shock jockey, and I think I was mimicking a gang banger hunting. We're going to sleep and I'm just talking inner city talk without the F bomb word.
But he was rolling.
He just thought gangstas going hunting, and I had him rolling it because he loved that good old boy Americana military, redneck outdoorsman Copenhagen, tobacco, fishing, cabellas you got it pass pro shop though it wasn't there at the time. You know, had his own little fishing boat and pickup truck, and he was a jim rat and he would ride that mountain bike.
The missing bike, every day.
He was putting miles on that mountain bike. I happened to own that mountain bike about a year before this whole thing went down. He gave me that mountain bike as a gift, which was I was stunned. But I had a mountain bike stolen my first year marriage. It was a brand new Specialized stump jumper calm left it behind at my parents' house. They were broken into, got a phone call, bike's gone. I used the insurance money to pay my seminary bill. Robert knew that story, and
this is probably five years later. He invited me over to the house one night and he said, hey, I.
Want to give you something.
I want to give you this, and I'm like, whoa. I remember when he bought that bike and just going, oh, that is a nice mountain bike. Never said anything to him, but he knew the story me losing my mountain bike, and so he gave me that bike. And that was probably a year or a year and.
A half before the murders, somewhere.
Around nineteen ninety nine. At the time, it was just like, no way, I feel really loved by this guy. I've invested in his life spiritually and is encouraging him in the ways of the Lord in his marriage. And this seemed to be him just saying, hey, thanks, peace, I.
Do we go to his garage.
That is that is Robert Fisher's mountain bike that he gave me some pretty good shape, yeah, aluminum. That was the top of the line Specialized mountain bike, and that was probably a twenty eight hundred dollars.
Bike, about fifty four hundred dollars today. So this is the bike that the FBI thinks is missing.
Probably, but he gave it to me a year before he did this thing.
You still write it.
Yeah, we head back inside and speak of salvation. Can Robert Fisher be redeemed in the eyes of his God?
Absolutely, eternally forgiven and redeemed absolutely? That is the scriptures, and that is the Jesus that we proclaim. As far as the debt to society, that's a different set of ethics. It's the Ted Bundy story. Ted Bundy claims to have fully confessed, repented with remorse, and received Jesus as personal Lord and savior. But the next day he's going to the electric chair. And I'm fine with that set of ethics.
Isaiah fifty three. Surely he has borne our griefs and the pain that we've taken on from other people sinning against us, but also our personal expressions of sin and sinfulness. He carried that to the cross as God incarnate. And so if there's not hope for a murderer, there's not hope for anyone. You can be forgiven eternally, but there will be consequences. In the best story is that you go, man up, turn yourself in, let the judges sort that out. Cast your soul upon the grace of God. Let him
sort out your soul and your crimes. And the Lord is merciful and forgiving for the repentant soul.
Do you feel like it's possible for him to be redeemed if he lives an alternative life and never comes forth and.
Pay no, no, Because that's a secret. Nothing ever gets better. Festering in the darkness. That's evidence of an unrepentant heart. A repentant heart pulls it out into the light. They want to live before God and man like, even if they've got to pay the price. I did this, I'll repay. What does restitution look like? I can't make restitution, but I'm going to have to be taken out, so capital punishment is You.
Know, if he surface today, would you be willing to meet with and council?
One hundred percent?
I've known that, and I go.
I'd visit him. I'd visit pretty much anyone in prison. Absolutely.
If he's out there, will you speak to him spiritually about where he stands now and what he has to do to find reduction.
The simple path forward is First John one nine. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. When we bring ourselves out into the light and we confess, and which means say the same thing about it that God says about it. Almost leg at oh is the Greek. Just say, admit it. It's sin, it's wrong, it's detestable. It's an infinite, eternal violation of God's goodness and holiness. And I stand condemned. No matter what the law the
courts do to you. To find forgiveness before a righteous and loving judge running in this lifetime, that gets you nothing, just slight delay in judgment day which relative to each it's like that's a spit in the ocean. So come clean before it's too late. Confess your sin, Come out into the light, face up to what you did. Find redemption before the Lord. I would certainly visit him, say, man, tell me all about it. I don't hate you as
an image bearer. We've all done terrible things. This is extreme, but in terms of needing a redeemer, a savior. We're on eagle ground before the foot of.
The cross, Jim, and I know this message isn't for everyone. It's for an audience of one. Robert. If you're listening, if you believe in God, if you believe in Hell, if you don't want to go to Hell.
Come forward, come into the light.
Next time, I'm missing in Arizona.
It's eleven fifty one am on a Tuesday, and we're looking for some mysterious shock in the woods in Arizona.
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