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Sprint Review China 2025

Mar 22, 202530 min
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In this sprint review, the host analyzes Lewis Hamilton's impressive performance, Ferrari's potential, and Max Verstappen's surprising lack of defense. The discussion covers tyre wear, strategic setups, and the performances of drivers like Liam Lawson and Lando Norris. The episode wraps up with predictions and listener engagement, addressing various perspectives and data points.

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I think Matt is actually going to find a way to be with us. He's in the UK. We're just trying to find him a studio and how to get him there. And we've also got Christian Pedersen on as well. If Matt can't make it, Chris will be in. But I've had... one hour of sleep twice today i i had no intention of getting up for it whatsoever however because lewis hamilton won the the sprint poll

I couldn't possibly miss it. And of course, I wasn't disappointed. So I'll just start with some thoughts from the Lewis Hamilton perspective. There was a few questions to answer. A, was there going to be any... sort of pace from the ferrari and and the second one was was he washed up was the one lap pace gone is that why he couldn't string together a qualifying at mercedes in the final year yeah and that was really

It was really worrying. It was genuinely worrying that he would be getting to the Saturday and just not be able to activate the tyres, not be able to fire them up, be consistently behind George Russell. And you go, well, maybe age is a factor.

But I think we can put the age thing to bed. I don't think, oh, he's going to beat Leclerc every single session. He's going to be dropping it on pole every race. But it's enough evidence. You've got enough evidence. Admittedly, on a weekend where Leclerc says... I'm not doing well enough. This isn't a track I love. But Hamilton was consistently ahead of Leclerc in every single session. And Leclerc is seen widely as someone who is a great one lap.

you know, one lap driver, a great qualifier. He's really highly rated. You can't take that back now. People who've always rated Leclerc on one lap, you can't take that back because Lewis seems to be fine against him.

on one lap. And I think, you know, there was even a bit of wiggle room there. So when Leclerc comes back at him, you'd still say these guys are going to be very, very close on qualifying. Yeah, but he's had a whole... practice and and three qualifying sessions where he was ahead of Leclerc held it all together didn't really do any mistakes didn't really have any scruffy laps and in fact was probably a bit conservative on the on the actual sprint pole lap itself so you go okay good

Lewis Hamilton can still drive a car. He can still set up a car. The other question is, where is Ferrari's true pace? And it's very, very easy to get carried away after a pole. and so if you follow me on on social media i keep going calm down calm down don't get carried away but i think you can get carried away about the sprint win but that's that's a genuine everybody is trying to win the sprint race

I would say the only caveat would be if there was no tyre wear at all. If there was no tyre wear at all, then you're going to go, well, you know, he's getting away with that because we're not having to see... him at the end of the stint and if those ferraris are burning up their rears or anything but this is this is a front limited track as well which is something to bear in mind so with piastri trying to

trying to hound him down or trying to close down the gap after taking over Verstappen, that McLaren, I hope I'm not getting this the wrong way around, but that McLaren had suffered on front limited tracks. And I think most tracks are... a rear limited okay i'm not going to pin my reputation on that one but i think with a lot of these sweeping sweeping corners you're putting weight on the on the front and here in particular the front left so this

probably doesn't expose Ferrari's weakness on the rears. I didn't actually track that in Australia because of all the wetness, but I think last season, whereas it does expose McLaren a little bit to that front. frontwear and of course things will be will be able to change in park ferme we've seen it a lot over sprint weekends things changing in setup and the difference between qualifying pace and race pace it can flip on its head i always use the example of verstappen

in Austria last year, where he didn't qualify very well, but looked strong in the race. Then I think he got polled by 0.4 seconds and then didn't have the race pace in the end and had to yeet Norris off into turn three. or out of turn three so if you look at the sprint race though today there was a lot of wear there was a lot of wear it wasn't a sprint race that was just curtailed people were having to hang on to those that that front left and when Carlos Sainz came in

He showed that he was going two seconds a lap faster, I think, than the leaders. I have to admit, I didn't watch this on the live timing, which made the fact that the timing tree has been playing up all weekend somewhat annoying, as it was in Australia as well. So it was definitely...

In a race, you would think, right, well, in that case, the undercut is going to be really vital. So I don't want to go too much into the race or speculating about the race because that will be out of date straight away. But yeah, you see this and go, they can't do what they would normally do.

which is right let's time that overcut so that we're we're getting some really fast laps in and we start to hunt down the guys who don't pit so we didn't get to see that we we saw them forced to hang on and on the surface you go well You know, Verstappen went away. Piastri was able to overtake Verstappen. And actually, it was really uncharacteristic. I found it so strange that they were essentially, it was defendable.

and Verstappen just didn't defend. And I can't remember any time seeing Verstappen not defend. So it wasn't for the lead, and it wasn't against Norris, but his normal MO would have been to go over to the right-hand side, hold and guard... the inside line at all costs. And then when you get to the hairpin, beeline your way all the way to the exit and just leave no way for Piastri to come in. So that's what we would expect Max Verstappen to do.

So is he treating Piastri differently? Okay, so the simplest case could be it's a long weekend ahead, doesn't want to get any damage. Okay, that's fine. But it still doesn't feel very Max Verstappen-y to just let someone roll down the inside of them.

He could be thinking, yeah, you're not Norris. I'm not fighting you for the championship. But that could be a mistake because in qualifying, you saw Piastri looking pretty. Yeah, he was the favorite all the way throughout. And then he nailed his qualifying lap. In fact, he nailed it twice.

So both times would have been good enough for pole. So if Verstappen's made that decision already to go, oh, Piastri's out of it, maybe he bought into the hype spread by certain podcasts that Norris just had the championship wrapped up and it's his to lose. So that was really strange. Why didn't he defend? Maybe he just felt like he wasn't in a position to. But that hasn't stopped him in the past. He wasn't in a position to defend in Austria against Norris.

I think it was Circuit of the Americas as well. Not really pace-wise in a position to defend, but he did anyway. I think maybe it's in his head. Piastri's a little bit more dangerous wheel-to-wheel. Where was it? Was it Abu Dhabi? where Piastri just didn't get out of Verstappen's way, and that cost him. So who knows? Maybe that's in Verstappen's head as well. Yeah, that was odd. So once Piastri got past Verstappen...

I think the McLaren's tyres were creaking as well. And suddenly Hamilton starts pulling quite a big gap. So on the surface, you go, right, Ferrari obviously has a strong car. You can't... go to china and beat verstappen and piastri with that much pace and i don't think i'm not sure i don't think he really upped the pace i think he just maintained the pace as the others dropped off you can't do that without a good race car

so that Ferrari is capable of winning races there's no doubt about that then for the qualifying it looks a bit shakier and just like last week we go are they setting up for the race hopefully they're setting up for the race but Hamilton said something along the lines of We made a tweak. We made a tweak to the setup and it made it too oversteery. All right, Lewis, you've got more experience setting up a car than me.

But why did you tweak the car that disappeared eight seconds up the road in front of the world champion driver and the world championship winning team? You should have just wrapped that in a bubble and gone, let's just go racing with that. But we'll see. Obviously, I don't know what happened Sunday. But in that race, yeah, Hamilton looked really strong and Verstappen looked strong as well, but he didn't have the same tyre life and the same tyre wear. I wonder...

if the clean air narrative is just a little bit overstretched. So everyone, it was sort of dismissive, really, on the broadcast I watched. They went, well, yeah, Hamilton disappeared and looked after the tyres, but obviously he had the clean air, so, yeah, but... Also, no one was forcing Verstappen to sit on Hamilton's gearbox. No one was forcing Piastri to hang around so close behind Verstappen. If they were worried about tyre wear...

Then they should have just maybe backed off a little bit and waited and tried to eke it out. They must have thought we're catching Hamilton. They had good qualifying pace, but they're not going to have the race pace. Let's go get him. And then, yes, in the go getting him.

and in being in the dirty air and being very close, maybe that did affect their tie life a little bit. But I think to dismiss it as, well, Hamilton just won because he had the clean air, it feels a bit easy. It feels like a bit of a cheap... Do you know what it feels like? It feels like an on the fence call because the alternate is to say, well, Ferrari had a rocket ship there or Hamilton was fantastic. And when you see a peak or a spike like that, it is.

Probably sensible just to moderate it. So obviously the people on TV, they have to sit on the fence a little bit more. They have to moderate a little bit more. Whereas I'm free just to give whatever take I want. And then if it's wrong, we delete the episode. And block anyone who points out how wrong I was. So that's nearly a joke. That was nearly a joke. So I wonder if that's overplayed a little bit. And actually at the core, regardless of what happens here in China.

That Ferrari's fast. That Ferrari's plenty fast, but against a McLaren that's in its zone on a track that's really suiting it. Maybe less so. And then the same with Leclerc as well. So this is a track that doesn't suit Leclerc. He wasn't happy. He wasn't comfortable. Said he went the wrong way with the setup. I expect him to be normally.

closer to Hamilton as well when it comes to qualifying pace in particular. But for Charles, that will have been a bit of a wake-up call for Charles Leclerc, Charles Leclerc, who says, by the way... Just to nip this in the bud, because I keep getting emails about this. Why don't you say Charles Leclerc? Well, I don't want to, for a start. Sort of feel, can I say it in an English act? Charles Leclerc?

Just let me say, when he's with his Anglo-sized friends or English friends, he says he's happy for it to be Charles Leclerc. And that's how he would introduce himself. So I'm included in that as well. If I went to... You know, if I went to Italy and they started calling me Riccardo, I would love that. Please call me Riccardo. Riccardo Reddy. Yes. So, bit of a wake-up call for him. In case he thought in Australia...

Yeah, this guy is a legend, statistically the greatest F1 driver of all time, but I've got him in my pocket. I know he's getting used to it, but I think I might have him, you know? The hype is real. My hype is real. He's he has aged a little bit. I think there's a wake up call now. Nope. You can have a weekend and let's let's treat the sprint race in isolation. So you can have an event where I'm out qualified in every session and.

I look better on the tire life and he goes and wins. So that's a wake-up call. But he looked fast as well, by the way. Here's one thing to point out with the Ferrari pace. He couldn't get past Russell in the end. But he did close down a four-second gap, and that was relative. I think the gap he closed down to Piastri and Verstappen was even, it was more stark, like he caught them up more. So the Ferraris had tyres left at the end of that race, and the McLaren.

And the Red Bull didn't, but they didn't have an opportunity to pit. But had that been a full race scenario, you go, well, Ferrari looked like they would have had the options there to go long, to overcut, to one stop when others didn't have to. I'd rather have it that way around than the other. Liam Lawson, the nightmare continues. Okay, obviously we're not going to write him off after one race and a sprint weekend.

But since it's a long time till the next race, it's two weeks, we're not going to sit here and for two weeks go, all right, we'd best not say anything. But it's been a disaster. So let's be completely blunt. His start to Red Bull has been an absolute disaster. There are rookies here that are close to their teammates. Okay, so we can ask why it was a disaster and speculate on that. But Behrman, who qualified really well in the sprint, and he was 12th in the end, but he was running really well.

Compared to Ocon, I think Ocon has qualified higher for the Grand Prix. But there isn't that same gulf. He's not a second behind Ocon. I have to argue both sides here, don't I now? Yeah, but Ocon isn't Verstappen. Maybe Verstappen would be a second ahead of Behrman in the hearts. And that would be a fair point. But Bortoleto is on pace with his teammate. For Lawson to come in and have his teammate being broadly P2, P3 and that kind of zone. And then he's...

Last, out in all three qualifying events he's done, he's been out in Q1. And his issue seems to be that he can't get the tyres in the window. So he can't get any grip. If you look at the onboards, it looks like it...

It's the front, and he's having to take several bites out of it. Okay, wish we had Brad here to talk about it, but if you're watching the onboards and you're not quite sure what you're looking for, when you see the driver turning to, say, a right-hand turn, and then they suddenly snap over to the left.

That's normally because the rear has stepped out, right? And they're just, oh, they're correcting. So they're pointing the car towards the direction that the rear snapped to. So they're trying to make the fronts line up so that it slides sideways instead of... spinning around when you see them trying to steer but then they kind of give up on it and then steer again and they're taking nibbles at trying to steer that's understeer so they're not getting the grip or the tires aren't gripping

enough for the speed they've taken into the corner so they would expect oh I should be able to I should when I've had the tires switched on when they've been in the window I should be able to turn it this much at this speed and it's not happening so you have to open up the steering again

to to match the amount of grip you're asking for yeah so there's that you're turning it into the corner that you're asking for too much grip then then the speed that you're doing will allow and that the tires will allow with the temperature so it sort of pushes forward

And it's going to stay pushing forward until you actually open the steering up to realign all that. Then you've got the grip back. Then you can try again. Rate my description of understeer. I hope Brad doesn't listen to this. But you can kind of... You can tell by looking at the onboards and you go, well, it looked like Lawson just didn't have the right temperature in the front. So the right temperature could be, it could be that he's not got the right temperature because he's overheating it.

or because he hasn't been able to warm them up. But he said the window is really tiny. I suspect it's been both over the past three qualifying sessions, but he just hasn't been able to get it going. And in the sprint race today, yeah, he made up four or five positions.

That's not even a Perez-level comeback drive. I know he probably does. He doesn't have the out-and-out dominant car that Perez sometimes came through the pack in. But I don't think Perez ever qualified last. And the thing is, it's not like Verstappen is struggling in sixth place.

he's qualifying p2 he's coming p2 p3 in the races so the he is so far off the baseline that you go there's something wrong that's not out and out ability that wouldn't be replicated if they were in a a go-kart track and it probably wouldn't be replicated if they weren't in a unique setup like Verstappen has where he has that ultra pointy setup that Albon was talking about but we can add him to the list now can't we

I think some people need to apologize to Perez because obviously the challenge is hard. It's obviously harder than we were giving it credit for. I'm probably guilty of this a couple of drivers ago. So I was, yeah, maybe I was too severe on Albon. And then I look at Gasly in there and you go, I definitely would have expected Gasly to do better. And then Perez, because I was watching him from the midfield, you go, I'd have expected...

Yeah, maybe peaky performance, but I'd expected some, some good performances from Perez, not none like last season. But I think Lawson is now showing that maybe we were judging Perez a little bit too harshly last season. when oftentimes the Red Bull wasn't the fastest car either. Maybe actually a lot of the times like it is now. So, you know, that either second or third best car, that was happening a lot. And Perez was getting results not as bad as Lawson now and getting slammed for it.

The thing is, I was to say I was arguing with Brad today and he would say, yeah, but I never rated Perez going in. So that's the sort of respect results that I would expect. Everything that happened with Perez validated his opinion that he already had of Perez.

Whereas my opinion with Lawson was, well, what have we seen? There was a statistic that he hasn't out-qualified Yuki Snowder for 722 days or something. So it was the Singapore Grand Prix 2023, the last time he... out qualified snowder and of course we're now cheekily including these these red bull things as well so my argument was i don't know what people have seen to get him up to that red bull seat well they say well his potential ceiling is higher okay

Please show me on a piece of paper where you've seen this potential higher ceiling. At the moment, it's not looking great. You would have expected not to be plum last as often. And if you did qualify poorly... you would expect him to come through the field a little bit better. So he's really struggling. The struggle is real. Best interview I saw with Ted Kravitz was to Christian Horner saying, did you pay off Perez for this?

Weren't you meant to have a driver better than Perez? And I think with the amount of criticism people were giving Perez, you would then expect, well, someone should come in and be instantly better. But it hasn't happened. It hasn't happened so far. He looks gutted. Horner looked pretty stressed about the situation as well. Anyway, we'll see. By the time you listen to this, he might have scored a podium from the back of the grid. Norris is a big story here. How long have we gone? 20 minutes.

I have no ambition for length with these. I was sat down thinking 20 minutes, 20 minutes will do. And hopefully all people will get into the routine of like, this is a take it or leave it sprint review. Sort of non-canon because it's just... Me in a room talking to yourself. I nearly streamed this live on TikTok just so that I wouldn't feel crazy talking to myself. But essentially, I've heard people say, you know, talking about the parasocial relationship where they feel like...

They're listening to their friends talking about Formula One. This is the opposite because I'm literally in a room by myself, but I don't feel alone. I can hear the email responses I'm going to get. I can hear the YouTube comments that I'm going to get. You're with me.

You're in the room with me right now. I had to say all that to make myself feel a little bit less mad. Norris went from the end of last race, the world just going, boy, this is his to lose. He's in a rocket ship. He's got his teammate covered.

Oh, no. Well, that's what we concluded. Most of the pundits thought that Piastri was sort of held back a bit by the team and denied his chance to attack. Okay, fair enough. But it looked really good for Norris. And then he just could not string a qualifying together again.

He's quite honest, like Leclerc, and says, yeah, that's me. Yeah, I'm the limiting factor. I'm the limitation. And sadly, there's proof of that, because Piastri had a decent qualifying, and I think he qualified P3, and then had a decent raise. But it was interesting to see the tyre drop off with Piastri. So that's the thing where I go, based on the evidence of what I've seen from Piastri, it looks like he struggles with tyre life.

Now, I just want this to be clear. I have no religious reason for claiming that Piastri would be poor entire life. It's only based on seeing him up front. in tyre wear situations and him not being able to match the Norris and the drivers around him. If that changes, like this weekend, if he's just gone and put in a mega couple of race stints and it was crucial, he's won it on tyre life.

then, you know, I'll just stop saying that, won't I? Because I will change my mind when the evidence changes. I was really rooting for Piastri to come through. I know a lot of the Australians really think that it's an anti-Australian thing. Outside of the ashes, outside of cricket...

I don't have an anti-Australian thing at all. We've got Australians on the crew. Didn't mind Webber. No, no. They're genuinely, like, there's no anti-Australian thing. They're one of our closest... countries and closest allies culturally in the world i think of australians in the same way as i think of the welsh or the scottish or the irish it's um there isn't like some you know

like england germany sporting rivalry kind of thing like that so yeah some people have been getting at me at me as if i'm just attacking piastri for the sake of it i promise you i'm not when he came in i wanted someone to show up lando norris so i get accused now constantly of being a lando norris fan and it being brit bias i've never been a lando norris fan i was hoping piastri would come in and sort of and the hype would be real and he would show him up and and and

And then I'd be a big fan of Piastri. And I'm not a fan of Piastri. That's not because of him as a person or because he's Australian. There's nothing that made me go, oh, you're brilliant. I really want to cheer for you. Nothing's happened in his...

f1 career so far that's made me want to do that but that's all that's all subject to change that's fine i don't mind jumping on a bandwagon and i did i jumped on the piano piastri bandwagon too early and i think wasn't there a sprint win and wasn't there a sprint

No, he never got a pole. But there was a sprint win, wasn't there? I think in his first season. And I was really, I was happy. I was happy to cheer him on. And then we started noticing this pattern and going, ooh, okay. Actually, yeah, when tie wear is an issue. He doesn't seem to be in it as much. But if that changes, if that changes, that's great. That suits where, go and roll the tapes back in his first season. I was super, super excited about Piastri coming into the sport.

I'll change my mind when the evidence changes. But yeah, Norris had a rough one. He had a rough one and qualified poorly and then just drove off the track into turn six all by himself on lap one. I think there was some stuff going on ahead.

And obviously I don't want to, I don't want to judge an F1 driver, but there was nothing, there was no one was brake checking him. There was no one pushing him off to the side and he just drifted onto the grass. I think right at the braking zone and ended up losing about three or four places. but then couldn't recover and couldn't get past the Aston Martin of Stroll either. Stroll is 3-0 up in qualifying against Alonso, by the way. Getting some coffee in, much needed. So...

Yeah, absolute disaster. And he just looked terrible. And he just kind of put it down to, yeah, it was me. I'm terrible. I had a bad day. And then obviously you're in a lot of traffic and high wear and people really are drumming home this thing of the dirty areas. is going to hurt you recovered a little in the qualifying session and was sort of close to Piastri but Piastri still had him covered so again I don't want to go into what I think is going to happen in the race

because I'll be proved wrong so quickly. But if I was going to set up a great Grand Prix, I would put Piastri and Russell up front, who are quick, and they'll put the pace on up front. They'll put pressure on each other. they're the two drivers out of the top five there where you say is there a question mark about uh how they manage their their tire life and with russell probably not that he can't do it just that he tends to go let's go let's go you know rush your blood russell there

Just goes for it. And so you could have those two on a track that, by the way, was hard to overtake on. And then you've got charging Verstappen. Hamilton behind. Oh, and I'll have to look up the grid in a second. How did I get to the sprint review and a sort of semi-qualifying review? And I didn't even look at the final qualifying order. But you've got quick cars behind.

And it looks like a toss-up over which car could have the fastest race pace. So Ferrari could easily have, at this point, Verstappen could have, the McLaren certainly could have. So yeah, absolutely fascinating. And of course, it's Norris as well in that top five. So Norris, Verstappen and Hamilton. Great performance by Hajar as well. Seemed to match Tsunoda and qualified a couple of spots ahead of him.

So that's a great little redemption arc for him as well. So I'll stop keeping track of Snowder versus Hajar qualifying because it no longer suits my narrative. Not the anti-Hajar one or anything. just of Tsunoda being continually ignored. I will, of course, have my Tsunoda versus Lawson ticker going. Yeah, I already mentioned Behrman. So Sines, actually, oh dear, Sines has now had...

sprint quali behind Albon and main quali behind Albon. Last time we had the crash, but that's not his fault because he had the Torx bike, alleged Torx bike. And this time apparently in sprint quali he had a loose seat. So he said, and of course, these things could be genuine. However, he doesn't look like he's had the pace on Albon in the sprint or either of the qualifying sessions, really. So at the moment, Albon has got him covered.

And then Dewan had a bit of a weird one. So Dewan's already got an engine penalty, I think, for this week. So that's not going to help him. He doesn't really have the time for that. And it was a weird, indecisive punt down the inside of the main straight. It looked like he went for it and then tried to pull out of it.

But then it was too late and he just sort of clumsily hit someone and then spun himself. So he looked like he was going for the overtake, realised, oh, I'm going to get my nose chopped off here. Tried to bail out of it. Tried to rescue both cars.

and ended up sort of almost sacrificing himself. See, that's not what he wants. That's unlucky. He was unlucky in the first race, but he hasn't got time. He needs to go and put in that killer, shut up performance, doesn't he? I think I've covered all the points that I really wanted to here. Yeah, no, that's the main ones for me. You might have others. You can email me, spanners at mistapex.net. And of course you can...

Follow us on Patreon, patreon.com forward slash Missed Apex for any extra content we do for an ad-free feed and just for the warm, fluffy feeling that you're supporting an independent podcast. And, oh, the Williams thing. I haven't heard the news yet, but Williams were allowed to participate in the sprint. So I don't know. Has their wing been deemed legal? That thing is going to run and run this flexi wing thing. It's an absolute mess. But all the teams had to submit.

video footage and I think Williams's was late they must have got it in because they participated in that but if they end up getting nerfed and go down to the bottom of the grid I'll be sad because I like Williams but I'll be happy because all the people who went I told you so you were wrong

They'll have to come back and go, oh, we're so sorry, Spanners. Yeah, they'll definitely do that. Just a note on predictions, by the way. I have fun making these predictions. I tend to be reasonably conservative because I base my predictions on... on what we've seen in in the past and actually formula one it doesn't you don't tend to have like a back of the team uh back of the grid team just leap up to to p1 the you don't tend to have

one driver is better in a team and then it just switches the next season those things don't tend to happen and so yeah i kind of i go on just what we've seen in the past If you try and project forward and you just go, OK, out of these 10 things that we're going to make a prediction about, and all 10 you say, the extraordinary thing isn't going to happen. What's the most likely thing in each of those scenarios?

One in ten of those, at least, is going to be wrong. It's going to be extraordinary. Williams will take a big leap up the table for now until they get nerfed. And then... you have to take it you have to take the hit you have to take it on the chin when people go ah you were wrong about that idiot so so even if it's a spike you still have to take it on the chin and say ah you're wrong about that idiot so

I am looking forward to the Piastri comments if he suddenly has blistering race pace and is great on his tyres. But, you know, if he does do that, then the data set of evidence I have to draw upon to make a prediction then changes. And I'm more than happy to change my mind as that evidence changes. But of course, feel free. Any comments? Where have we got comments at the moment? Spotify, YouTube, Spanners, or feedback at mistapex.net to get a hold of Matt as well.

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