Hey guys, Spanners here. You are listening to Mist Apex Podcast. It's time for some F1 news. Now we've landed back in the United Kingdom. Welcome to Mist Apex Podcast. I, of course, have landed back in England. Matt Trumpets is back in Brooklyn. We're also joined by Antonia today and we've got loads of news. The big news is that somehow... Flavio returned. Jack Doohan is out, but why? Colopinto is in for the next few races, apparently, but...
Is this a genie that can't be put back in the bottle? It also looks like and I don't want to say all this dodgy stuff going on Alpine But it looks like there's some dodgy stuff going on Alpine. There's also fresh Sergio Perez contract rumors and we have the first serious potential new FIA president. And I'm also going to answer some of the huge amounts of feedback
that we had from the last episode. I was genuinely blindsided by the reaction to the last episode. And I normally have a pretty good read of what the internet as a whole is saying. But once I hung up and published on Sunday, I did fall a couple of days behind the narrative. I was just chilling. And then I kept seeing these messages and these social media posts coming up. And I was surprised by the way.
and strongness of the comments. And I think this is a really, really significant moment for Formula One, how we talk about Formula One and how we watch and judge Formula One. So, of course, we'll be talking about the new interpretation of racing rules and how that will affect Imola.
We are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind support of our patrons and partners. We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first-ish. I'm joined in the shed by Matt. Rumpets, Matt, you're so far away. I know, it's so strange. We've been so close together. We've been living in each other's back pocket. And now?
Now you're just a tiny little... I'm crushing your head. I'm crushing your head. Did you just do the crushing your head thing? I love that. I did. I'm crushing your head. And we're also joined by Antonia Rankin. Hello, Antonia. I feel like I'm intruding with you. Should I give you guys five minutes alone? No, we've had two weeks together, please.
Please intrude and tell me what you think about what is going on at Alpine. I would say there's five distinct things that are happening, Antonio, like Colopinto, Flavio Briatore. jack doing the the the ollie oaks and his brother saga plus the sergio perez stuff so what that is Jumping out at you
You know what? There's always something controversial regarding finances and money with someone in F1. It's not new. Yes, it's still controversial. It's still a big deal that needs to be investigated a little bit more. Yawn, I don't really mind. It doesn't affect the sport anymore because now we've got Briatore who was previously banned from F1 for cheating. Yeah.
And I think that's really interesting. Go on then. Well, you weren't around. You weren't watching F1 at the time. But what have you read from the ancient texts about what happens with Flavio? Okay, let me set the scene. Yeah, let me do it. So, the year is 2008. I'm five years old. I haven't got a clue what's going on. SHUT UP! You're welcome. And all of a sudden, Nelson Piquet Jr. puts his car into the barrier during the Singapore Grand Prix.
It soon turns out, after Renault then replaced him mid-season the following year, it was all on purpose. He was told to deliberately crash by Briatore in order to help Alonso get points. Alonso did go on to win the Singapore Grand Prix. This was directly at the detriment to Felipe Massa, who did not win the championship in 2008. Lewis Hamilton did, but Massa was behind by just one point so if Massa had won that race
He feasibly would have won the championship. This all came out. It turns out that there were a couple of team members at Renault who made this all happen. They got permanently banned from F1, as did Renault, but these were later overturned. And now Briatore is back. Yeah, but let's be clear here. If wishes were kisses, I'd have gone to more Spice Girls concerts as a young man. It wasn't a guarantee that Massa was going to go on and win that race. Of course, the fuel hose you got stuck on.
I got more. I think that's besides the point. He didn't need to win the race. He needed to get one more point. And given the circumstances with the safety car, where at the time you weren't allowed to pit during the safety car, the pit lane was closed, you also were allowed to refuel during pit stop.
So by staying out the cars had high tyre degradation and poor grip, they had low fuel, so they were having to conserve and Alonso, having already pitted, had a huge advantage. It cannot be overstated the extent to which this helped Fernando Alonso. So I think Felipe Massa and his little lawsuit are going to be very unimpressed to see Briatore back. No, I think a lot of people of my generation are also very unimpressed to see Briatore back.
they definitely went in hard on the drive to survive episode. And I did, catch you know some younger fans and some younger content creators going oh look oh it's lovable uncle flavio and all the old sweats going whoa my goodness but it can tell you like how much a narrative
can be set and attempted and they've definitely attempted to paint him in a better picture but ordering a young driver and this isn't allegedly by the way so i don't think you need to say But yeah, ordering a young driver to crash a Formula One car on purpose. That life band should have held, surely. Mind you, and replacing him mid-season the following year
And he never really had a Formula One career after this. Now, we know that this is absolutely true. There's evidence on the radio. They've all confessed to it. But also it's really interesting and I believe it was the formation lap or in qualifying they practiced this crap. So Nelson Pico Jr. spun the car and he came on the radio and went, was that all right? Are you sure that happened, Antonia? Are you sure that wasn't some Mandela effect?
This is the thing. There's a lot of Mandela effects in F1. I'm going to divert. I know. I'm going to divert slightly. So, yes, all this happened. They practiced it. They did it. They deliberately told a driver to crash. And I think there's been other attempts. to have a crash to deliberately cause a safety car in F1.
I get yelled at, so... Rosberg. I've been yelled at enough. Oh, yeah. Rosberg for the yellow flags, for sure. Schumacher, Rascas, and Monaco as well. There's other ones, but again, I've been yelled at enough this last week. However... I want to just briefly divert one of your TikToks, Antonia, because you are a TikToker. And you did a mind-blowing one, which I hope isn't true, about a Mandela effect. So Mandela effect is where something has breached the public consciousness.
But it didn't happen or it happened in a different way. So there's a huge part of the population apparently that thought that Nelson Mandela had died like 20 years before he actually did. Is that why it's called that? Yeah, I think that's why it's called that. And people are like, is Mandela not already dead? And yeah.
Yeah, so go on, tell us the Mandana effect that has occurred. Okay, right. Everyone, think in your head an Alonzo quote that's really famous. You can fill in the gap. I knew he would break. Dot, dot, dot. Because he's got a wife and a kids, and he's soft, and he's got a picture of his wife and kids on the dashboard, and he cries every time he does an overtaking manoeuvre, and that's why Alonso overtook Schumacher at 1.30.
That's verbatim, actually. That's exactly what he said. The start of that quote was right. Everyone seems to have heard this quote. I knew Schumacher would break because he has a wife and two kids at home. But it didn't. sit right with a lot of people myself included i've quoted that i've quoted it I know everyone has. And especially with Verstappen having a child, there's been this quote thrown around a lot, right? Because is he going to be breaking early now?
Anyway, long story short, there is very, very little evidence to suggest that Alonzo ever said it, even though there is a video. where you can hear him saying those exact words. I knew he would break because he has a wife and kids at home. There is an interview a few years later where he says something similar, but there's no audio, there's no video of that interview that I could find.
So there is nothing to suggest that he ever said anything like that. Which is wild. It's just such a lesson to content creators because I was just in my head like I had heard it myself. And then I think I'd convince myself, oh, I heard it at the time. And then I've just, I've said it everywhere. I've said it on TikTok. I've said it on The Ringer. I've said it on here. Oh, thank you for highlighting that because it is a lesson to kind of go, do I actually know that that thing has been said?
So, back to Alpine. And we're going to go to Matt here. So, Antonia has highlighted the Briatore thing. as kind of one of the big stories, which is, yeah, he's involved in the investment, he's a consultant, and now, oh look, all of a sudden, there's a gap in the market, and he's the team principal again. Now, I don't believe in... They're damning someone forever. I believe in redemption art.
But as far as I know, Flavio Briatore has not come on the TV and gone, remember when I made that kid deliberately bin it into the wall? My bad. Looking back, that was lame and I shouldn't have done that. As far as I know, he hasn't done that. I think so. I don't think that's his style. No, it's definitely not his style. And you would expect, at this point at least, yeah, that might not have been a great life choice.
But it is what it is. The situation we have is the one that we find ourselves in. And the amazing thing is that the timing of the oak's departure With the colobento replacing doing. made everybody more or less come to the same conclusion that turned out to be incorrect. For me, this is the interesting lesson. As you would expect, that Briatore had asked Oaks to do this and that he had put up some kind of a fuss. That there was some sort of reason. There was some sort of internal disagreement.
And he chose for personal reasons, and now let's admit that a lot of people have used the words personal reasons to mean lots of other things aside from personal reasons. And that, so he's departed the team, and now Briatore's in charge, which is really what Luca DiMeo, who's created this whole mess with Alpine, to begin with. As wanted. You want a obligatory back to drive up the value, to make money for the team, and then probably to oversee the sales of the team to some new owner.
And so it was really a surprise to me to find out that Oaks had a real reason for resigning that had nothing to do with either doing Oracle Apenta or, frankly, Alpine. I'm going to take a different standpoint slightly, which is... Oliver Oakes absolutely needed to resign given the circumstances that he and his family have found themselves in. I don't think anyone can change. Which are?
And I think that's used allegedly. Yeah, I was just going to say, there's going to be a lot of allegedly. Has been reported as. It's fine. There's some financial... Money moving going on between himself the Mazepin fan. There's a lot of big names involved in this and the long story short is They didn't know, let's be honest, they won't have known that this was going to break as front page news until a few days before it happened. So in my opinion, what went down behind the scenes is Oliver Oaks.
Found out a few days before the news broke. He went to Alpine, told them. They mutually agreed. Because it's very unusual to see a relatively new team principal resign with immediate effect and the team accept that. So they must have mutually agreed that it was best for him to step down. And then with only a few days notice, they've got this huge announcement coming with the drivers that had already been scheduled because they would have decided that a week or so before at least.
They wouldn't have had anyone else to appoint as team principal, really, at arm's reach. They went for the least objectionable option. How convenient! The least objectionable! Exactly. Bored them. Bored them. Okay, Matt, I'm going to argue on the, this is a bit convenient side. No, I think Matt's about to agree. Yes. Okay, okay, okay. You know me. I'm all about the facts. I'm all about the data. I hate to state any assumption as a fact.
But I do love to engage in a bit of completely wild speculation. Just to be clear, for those who are listening who haven't followed the story, Oliver Oak's baby brother got arrested with a large amount of cash for the crime of transferring criminal property. And that is what's been reported. That is factual. There's no speculation about that.
His resignation is quite obviously given his fiscal duties, his team principal, related to that. He's either going to have to look after his brother or potentially... You know, there's more in store, but we don't know about that. However, if I'm Briatore,
I'm just going to put it out there. And I've already ordered a young driver to crash in order to get Alonzo points and me more sponsors. And I really want to be team principal, but I can't quite be team principal because I did a bad thing a long time ago. I'm just saying phone calls are cheap and police have tip lines. That's all I'm saying. Okay. Nothing more. Okay.
No, that's exactly what I was thinking. I was like, how convenient. I'm just saying the timelines really match up. If you're Briatore and A, you've got a team principal who's backing the driver that you want to get rid of because you've got $30 million or something, I imagine.
carlos uh slim money so that's why the 30 million number comes to my head but there's just this pesky kid in your way this pesky Obviously that's a wild conspiracy, but I'm just like, oh, that was a problem for Briatore that was suddenly removed, and he gets his drive out, and he gets the money, and now he's the team principal.
I think you at least have to be honest and go, oh, it kind of looks like that. And coincidences do happen, but I think it's okay to go, well, I mean, if it was a movie, it does kind of look like that. So the thing that... arose my suspicion was just before I, well, I heard about the Ollie Oaks brother thing, we had Karun Chanduk, Sky Sports commentator,
Come on a podcast, I think the Sky podcast online and did something, I think a little out of character, which is say something is rotten. My feeling is something's rotten. And I'm paraphrasing Alpine. Ooh, that's not a very Karun Chanda. kind of take. He's normally very political. He's a really kind of pro mainstream broadcaster. And I understand mainstream broadcasting, believe it or not, kids. So you have to behave differently in mainstream broadcasting for him to come out.
on a Skype podcast and say, something's rotten behind that air, I think... I think the media knew and were perhaps embargoed or were playing it smart. I think they knew ahead of time that Oaks was going to go. And in fact, you said that, Antonio. You said you reckoned it was a couple of days lag. The plot thickens. It all lines up. Can we get one of those chalkboards and red string and little pins?
There's nothing like middle-aged men and gossip, is there? You'll pretend not to like it, but when it comes down to speculating, you're like, oh, let me give my opinions. I tell you, I'm a horrible gossip in real life as well. I know, I can tell. I have to like really, I've had to go, I've heard something I shouldn't tell.
You'll never guess what Sandra just said to me. But yeah, obviously that's speculation. I think, as an observer, I think I'm speaking for a lot of people looking at that timeline and going, Awfully convenient for Briatore that he gets his driver and he gets that job and he's back. And I think the business people won't mind if Briatore is bringing money in. I think it still raises massive question marks about what Alpine is.
So you look at all of that stuff going on. Was it a potential overtake of, by, is it Hitachi? Was it, was that the Ollie Oaks company that he was in? Hightech. Hightech. Yeah. But also he's linked to Mazepin money. So that's Ukraine. And then Briatore's coming in with whoever he's involved with. Carlos Slim is involved in it. Oh my goodness. This is a TV program. This is like Yellowstone, but in Formula One. This is Game of Thrones.
Could you be referring to Drive to Survive? Could that be what you're trying to describe? Oh, right, maybe. If Drive to Survive... We're going to have a field day, mate. Yeah, but wow. I mean, the drama is incredible. It is, and I think... In a way, in this generation of F1 we do something which people haven't really done in the sport before, which is focus a lot on ethics. We're so drilled down into, well, he cheated. It's not right that he's back.
I agree. I agree. I think that absolutely has standing. But the reality is there'll be a spotlight on him more than ever. He won't be able to put a toe out of line because everyone will hound him. And it's a matter of money.
as is every sport, right? So there's a lot of stuff about, well, that's not right, that's not fair. We hear it a lot with the drivers, like, for example, with Jack Doohan being replaced. There's a lot of discourse as to whether he was given enough of an opportunity. And what do you think about that, Antonia? Honestly, I don't think it's my place to sit and go, well, that's not fair. Poor Jack. Well, it isn't fair. You can say it isn't. No, but it isn't. But...
We have to be realistic about how the sport works. He wasn't doing well for the team. Colopinto, they know, has experience in an F1 car. Oh, Oakes said. Oakes was saying he was doing well and was coming on and was giving good feedback. And where is Oakes now? I don't know. Alive? I think Olly Oaks is alive, right? We have had... The rumor is he's in Dubai. Have we had proof of life? I want Olly Oaks with a newspaper with today's date saying, hi, I'm alive. But yeah, Jack doing.
Yeah, it's very simple. No. No, he was not given enough time to show what he was worth and what he could bring to the team. Not even close. And in fact... I said this back when this first happened, when doing substituted for Akon in the last race of the year, I said this is just a way to get him out of that seat quicker. Because they got somebody who's coming in with more money. And we all thought it was Colopento. And it will be.
But now it might not just be Collabenta. Now it might also be Perez. And this is why Briatore is there. And again, just... The thing about Briatore, because everyone talks about cheating in Formula One, and it's true. there's probably not an entirely legal car on the grid everyone tries to go as far as they can without tripping over that line
But it's a bright red line. Ordering somebody to crash a car is fundamentally a categorically different thing than the normal everyday cheating that happens in Formula One. And that's the point I wanted to make. I've just had a realization, and I don't think I can keep it in, but I'm gonna have to. I've had a Perez. Realization. Uh-huh. What was that?
I'm excited and scared, and I think I'm right. But Antonia, go on, bury the lead. What? No, don't tell us. All right, fine, fine, fine, I will, fine. But did you see the comments that Colin Pinto has only got a five-race deal? Yeah. Okay, so the big thing we're doing, pre-season, we said he's got a five-race deal.
That means he's got six races, including Abu Dhabi, six races to attract sponsors and do whatever. And my personal belief is that was family money that was funding that and they were hoping they would attract more. or that he would have a miracle race or have a Conor Pinto style thing and then he'd attract more money. Alpine have said that Conor Pinto only has a five race contract. And I had not linked that.
to the rumors about sergio perez because five races takes us to imola monaco spanish grand prix canadian grand prix austrian grand prix that gives perez many races to then be back for the Mexican Grand Prix. I'm thinking about this all on the fly, but Perez is going to be racing at the Mexican Grand Prix again. There's so many jumps in what you just said. Oh my God, did I just... I'm calling it. Perez is going to be driving in Mexico.
Okay, Grandad. No, you go back to bed. Oh, no. Here we go. I mean, okay. Cool young uncle. Go back to bed. Not Grandad. Come on. Have mercy, Antonia. Have mercy. No, thank you. So what I think is I would be very disappointed to see Perez back. I know that directly goes against the opinions of many people. I think he was given so many opportunities in F1. I understand that Red Bull probably wasn't representative of where he's at.
but one thing to bear in mind is the importance of mentality in f1 he might when he first got into that red bull have still been the excellent driver that we knew him to be But after season after season of him being beaten by Max pressure from Red Bull, I don't think he would be able to get back into any F1 car. Spanish, shut off! You're so quiet, but you're so loud! I was only miming my discontent! Let me talk!
I think it is incredibly unlikely for Perez to get into the Alpine and do a great job. I think that's the bottom line. I understand why they would want to give him the opportunity. I don't think it would work well. I had thought... This is interesting because Perez was linked to Cadillac too. So my first thought upon seeing this rumor was that he's simply trying to make Cadillac jealous.
Because they didn't announce him at Miami. And that's sort of the rumor that was put out there. But then I began to think about it. And I'm like, well, the car itself isn't terrible. It's improving with David Sanchez running the show. And they're going to have Mercedes engines next year. And if you ask me right now as a driver which car I'd rather drive next year. Oh I'd much rather drive whatever Alpine turns into.
with a mercedes engine than our brand new cadillac team with a ferrari in the back and i'm suddenly thinking that there may be some meat on these perez rumor bones to alpine plus if he can get His money, if he can outbid Colapento for the seat, it's going to be his, and he won't be... He won't be what he was in his glory years but I guarantee you he will do probably a better job than either of the rookies. I think we're really stating the obvious to be honest. I think
Who would you rather race for? The brand new team who will probably not be anywhere near the front of the grid for at least a few years? Or Alpine, who have been in the sport for a very long time and at least have one leg to stand on. You know, no, of course he would choose Alpine. There are opportunities with Cadillac, yes, it's exciting, yes.
Alpine are somewhat of a sure thing. They're guaranteed, if he drives well, to be a midfield car. Like you said, though, Matt, I just don't think he'll be where they need him to be. It's like Sebastian Vettel in the Ferrari. Full stop. I just, I just, I think, right, with the Mexico contract, we were all saying that that was a surefire sign that he was signing for Cadillac. But what if that actual Mexico contract had even more confidence that not only...
Would it be good for the next three years, 26, 27, 28? But they knew that it was also going to be good for this year. Remember, this is Perez's backer. that is giving money to Conor Pinto. So I think they can kind of pick and choose. It could even be a NASCAR kind of thing where they say, right, Perez is back for Mexico only. Well, we could do that.
I think let's not underestimate, like you said, the importance of sponsorship money. The market that Perez brings, we talked about it when he was at Red Bull. Why did Red Bull keep Perez so long? He had a huge amount of money behind him. So to a team like Alpine, that kind of sway and that kind of audience would be huge for them.
But, as Red Bull found, there's only a certain extent where money can outweigh results, which also mean money. So there's a scale there, and I would be very surprised if after five races, for example, those scales still tip in his honour. Alright, Matt, where does that leave us, Matt? What is Alpine? Right now, it's a Pierre Gasly sponsor attracting machine with a second seat that's for sale in five race increments.
And it's looking positive to get a really high, a really wealthy person in the second seat. for next season, because they have a good technical director in David Sanchez, and they have what is rumored to be the power unit for 2026, when we know it's all going to be a bit higgledy-piggledy anyway. But by then, Matt, we will have a brand new FIA president, which will surely rock the boat.
Or it'll be the same one we already have, which will also rock the boat, but just in a different direction. I'm kind of bored of the boat rocking. I feel sick. I don't like this. This is a huge body, the FIA. I think there's a lot of people whose heads are very stuck in the sand purely with F1. Motorsports is so much more than F1. There's GTs, there's TCRs, there's rallies, all of which come under the FIA.
There's so much that the president of the FIA oversees and his impact on the sport cannot be overstated. He's an incredibly important, not just figurehead, but involved member. So for a huge proportion of the fan base to lack trust in the FIA, to not believe in their consistency, to not believe in their leadership, their decisions, their vision for the future of our sport. It's a real, real issue and they're not understanding how much damage is being done.
So what's the solution then? Because we have rumours that it might be... Someone with no skin in the F1 game, and definitely not the dad of a current F1 driver, Matt, is that Carlos Sainz Sr. is a legitimate candidate for the FIA presidency. That's the first name I've heard where I've kind of gone, huh, that might work. Yeah, there's actually a couple. The problem for anyone...
taking on the incumbent president is the rules themselves vastly favor the incumbent. So I did a little... read down but you need to it's not just enough to say I'm gonna run it's not just enough to have money and say I'm gonna run a campaign and I'm gonna have campaign materials and I'm gonna reach out to people to try and get them to vote for me Understanding that there are the ASNs that make up the World Motorsport Council that have votes.
But also, I've discovered mobility clubs as well have votes, and they're not always the same thing. So some countries have more split potential votings than others. They're all the same thing. So you have a more concentrated amount of votes you can get from this. But you also have to have a list of people who support you. And I'm going to go through this real quick.
President of the Senate, Deputy President for Automobile Mobility and Tourism, Deputy President for Sport. Now, that sounds complicated enough to get these people to agree to support you. You also have to have seven vice presidents of the FIA for sport. And there are regional qualifications on all of these. Middle East and North Africa.
Africa, with some exceptions, North America, South America, Asia Pacific, plus two vice presidents from Europe. If you cannot put those names together, you literally cannot win. And so we've got Carlos Sainz. World Rally, multiple champion, Dakar winner, I believe. Did he have his own Extreme E team? I don't know. He's done lots of things. He knows lots of people. Very popular person. He might be able to put that list together.
But at the same time, who did we see recently? We haven't seen it ages. Luca di Montezemolo from Ferrari back in the day. suddenly showed up in the paddock. Who else do we have? We have Robert Reed, deputy president of the sport of FIA, who resigned over MBS and the way he was handling the new nondisclosure agreement.
saying that it was unethical. There are several people floating around, and what do these people all have in common? They're European. They come from Europe, where the majority of Formula One races. Still. Hop. Now, I've seen the point being made that the mobility clubs will not really care about Formula One. And they just care about, you know, are we getting our funding to make roads safer, to make cars safer, to improve things for everybody who uses mixed transportation system?
And I get that viewpoint. But if I was coming from the F1 point of view, I'd be like, where do you think the FIA money comes from? It comes from exactly one source, F1. And if that gets killed, and that's what's on the chopping block with the way things are going right now.
then you absolutely need to be considering this. Oh, it's like the Pope all over again, isn't it? We're getting teased with all these candidates. I thought we were going to get a Filipino Pope. That would have been unbearable. But no, in swoops in America, it's probably going to happen again. Yeah, we are in the past. A couple of things. With Carlos Sainz, I haven't been able to find anything to substantiate.
Anything to suggest that he's running other than Rumour. He's a huge legend in the rally community. I've worked with him. He's a great guy. Huge power within the industry. Oh, hello. You can't let that just hang. Where? Why? You've worked with Carlos Sainz Sr? On the Dakar, yeah. Oh, hello. Nice. And was he alright? Did he seem like the sort of person who would be neutral, fair? He's very diplomatic and he's very experienced. Genuinely, it's a rumour with a good idea, to be honest.
My issue with the FIA, as Matt has just explained, there are so many levels of approval that a president needs to attain before becoming the president of the FIA, irrespective of the court of popular opinion. My question that the FIA needs to answer is why is the current president not being held to the same standard regularly? As people looking to replace him. His position is not being reviewed. His opinions are not being questioned.
And nothing is being done to make sure that the integrity of the organisation stays at the level it should. Well, this is exactly the Dave Richardson Motorsport UK letter that he wrote. That MBS ran on these very specific promises that all seemed very good for the sport, but that once he was in charge, he began behaving in a way that was antithetical to what he said he wished to achieve to the point where...
is now Motorsport UK is very seriously considering a lawsuit because they don't feel like the rules are being correctly followed. And that was... That was in print, so that's nothing new there. But equally... The ASNs in Europe, in particular, are extremely unhappy about how things are being run. And that is, again, where the majority of your Formula One races.
take place. And if they go, then you don't have a Formula One anymore that's going to bring you money. My issue with some of the comments being made publicly seems spiteful more than leadership. communications and understandable professional publications. For example, the comment made about, it's not Silverstone, it's the Qatar Railways, British Grom... Shut up! just like no you're not never gonna win popularity points being that kind of person it's almost like
I hate to say like, oh, the power has got into his head because that's such a cliche, but he needs to be held accountable to the same level that other people are. And I think that's irrefutable and you can't argue with that. We are going to get now onto the racing rules stuff and some of the user feedback, some of the comments that we got on YouTube and my DMs and the emails. Oh my God.
The emails after their Miami review and me, Matt and Cristina were in unison. We were sat there in the stands. We were at turn two. And when Verstappen hit or forced off Perez, First off Norris at turn two. Honestly, we were just surrounded by people going, I don't believe it. Like, why, how is he getting away with that? What is going on? And then we went on the race review and I expressed that opinion. And I just went, yeah, I mean.
Verstappen lost it a little bit in Turn 1, which he later did to a much bigger effect against Piastri later on in the race. But he lost it a bit in Turn 1, Norris gets alongside, and then there seems to be some kind of moment. We haven't got the onboards still from Verstappen's car. Again.
But does he lose it? Is he in control? Does he have a little bit of snap oversteer? Is he trying to force Norris wide a little bit? And it just seemed very, very obvious to me that that should be a penalty. Now, I'm always going to give... Just my opinion and how I take, you know, my take on that incident. So I completely stand by that. And if I had then looked at what was going online and reviewed it, I'm happy to come out and go, ah, it wasn't quite how I saw it or I've heard.
new evidence i've heard new things from you know maybe media that i didn't catch up on and i've changed my mind i i haven't changed my mind But what I have seen is that the mainstream media, so people like on Sky and on F1 TV and things like The Race, all broadcasters and publications that I definitely respect. So I'm not going to go, oh, they're cranks. They don't know what they're talking about.
When I talked about missing a little bit of the internet drumbeat that was going on, I did not know that the mainstream media was saying that the Turn 2 incident... is similar to the rules where we talk about people being at the apex. That never occurred to me.
So when we were talking about the incident, I was thinking about, you know, the Philpott lane system, people going side by side. And, you know, it's a flat out bend around to the left. And I think it's flat even on the right hander to the right as well, the turn four.
And they're going through that, and Verstappen changes lanes somewhat dramatically, and Norris has to take avoiding action. I subsequently know that the likes of The Race, Palmer, Davison, all guys that I think are fantastic, applied the racing... rules for the corners that we've been talking about so the outside car must be a head at the apex to be able to be entitled to...
The inside car should have the front axle to the wing mirror to be entitled to racing room. That all makes sense into like turn one in Miami or into... Turn three into Village at Silverstone. You know, big braking zone. Turn eight at Circuit of the Americas. That all makes sense. Like, I don't love it, but I go, okay, the rules are there. They're all driving to those rules. It never even occurred to me.
that people would be applying these to flat-out kinks. That's where my disconnect from the people that I was talking to in the comments, because I was going like... Are you mad? What are you talking about? People were saying to me, oh, read the rules, idiot. Okay, so now I know that the mainstream media are saying that all those overtaking rules apply to every single numbered turn. I did not know that in advance. So going forward, there are track maps that have the turns number.
Imola, turn one, is the right-hand kink just after the start-finish straight. The left-hand kink is not a number turn, so turn two is the left-hander, the first left-hander of the chicane. Turn 19, the final turn, is also on the start-finish straight, okay? Eau Rouge or Radion, they are named corners. You now have to go through all of the Formula One circuits coming up.
and find which corners are numbered corners. And now all of those, including all the ones at Saudi Arabia, if they keep these for next season, these are all numbered corners where the car, if they're ahead on the inside, can simply drive. to the outside and the internet is mad i think mostly at me but this redefines everything about how we're going to look at the racing rules going forward I think there's been a slam-on of enforcing
unarguable black and white rules, especially in the last couple of seasons, because of how many controversies the stewards and the FIA have faced when they've exploited grey areas. And we asked for them. We did ask for them. That's the thing. So... If I'm honest, I don't see how anyone has a leg to stand on complaining about this now. We've got clear established rules and actually, to be honest, it will encourage some intelligent racing.
They're allowed to force the other wide on, like you said, a kink of a bend. The drivers are going to have to have some real circuit knowledge and intelligence. It's like how Max Verstappen, for example. Everyone calls him a slimy driver, in the UK at least. He knows where the rules are, where the line is, and goes exactly to the line, for example, with being ahead at the A. He's not breaking the rules. He's just exploiting them to his advantage. And I think...
encouraging more of this kind of thing. We can't pretend like Max's racing hasn't brought us endless entertainment in the past few years. I think it will make racing more intelligent. I think it'll be a bit more exciting. Yeah, it'll encourage some fan rivalries as well. And like you said, it's what we asked for. Why are we complaining? No, okay, the very specific point of that is... I don't, it's not my choice of rules.
but I was reasonably happy with it into a breaking zone, like turn one. The thing that really caught me out, Matt, was that it applies to the flat-out zones. So, you know, never, ever overtake at Spa after turn one, that whole rundown to Lacombe. That's not an overtaking zone anymore. Well... Well, what really bothers me about this is that having video of that opening, turn one, turn two, complex, and having watched it a few times, it was very clear that Norris was ahead of Max.
heading to turn two. And that to me makes Max the overtaking car coming into turn two. So the application of rules for Norris as being the overtaking car there, I don't see. I think that's incorrect. But what matters to me most... Especially with the lack of onboards. I actually have video of that incident and I can sit there and roll it back and forth and every time I can see in the approach to turn to Max lights up his rear tires.
and loses the back end. And now if you ask me, the rule says be driven in a fully controlled manner. particularly from entry to APAC, or the inside car, and it was simply not. It was not, it was not, it was not, and I can see it on video as not a professional driver. I don't understand how the stewards... Failed that test. That's Matt. See, that's Matt Trumpet. So that's Matt at MissApex.net for emails. He's the one. He's the one that said it should be a penalty this time. I didn't say that.
I think there's been a lot of instances with dive bombing knowing that they're not going to make the corner because as long as they're ahead at the apex, it doesn't matter. We saw it at Saudi Arabia turn one. Piastri finally did the same thing that Verstappen always does.
And it lit the world on fire. Neither of them were ever going to make that corner because they were both so desperate to be ahead that they braked too little too late. Which one? Which corner is this? Sorry, Antonia. Turn one. Miami. No, Saudi. No, Saudi. Well, didn't... So in that one, Piastro was on the inside and did make the corner.
Yes, but if you look at the break input, which is what I'm saying, the stewards have the ability to look... Oops, sorry, just knocked my mic. Spanners hates when I do that, guys. He's going to tell me off later. Basically, the stewards can look at brake telemetry. They've got all of the data, right? So they can reasonably say, you did not brake enough to slow down the car enough so you dive bombed. And this comes under the subsection of the rule that says, were you in full control of the car?
No, you weren't really. Okay, so my pushback on that would be... that since he was in the inside car apparently that is awful the the front axle has to be up with the mirror of the car head on the inside car so there's less
onus on the inside car it's a bit more lenient on the inside car once you are there you own the corner and and the only requirement for being under control it seems to me is making the track so in Saudi he made the track he stayed on track I think he's okay under these bizarre rules. Yes, but in essence what I'm arguing is that he did the same thing that Max does where he...
didn't break enough so that he had enough speed into the corner to be ahead. He shouldn't have breaked more. Yeah, in general, why can't we just have it where you have to leave room and you can be side by side? Look at Alex Brundle's X-Feed or all of his content from Spa this weekend and showing all those sports cars going side by side up through Eau Rouge and Radeon. It was magnificent.
Hamilton and Acon in the Miami race. That should be the rule. Yeah, you can take them right to the edge, but they both left each other room, and it was some of the best racing we saw as a result. The goal is to make... They're making the goal to make more overtakes, but the goal should be to make better racing. And you do that by requiring both parties
to leave a little bit of room for the other. Yes, squeeze them to the edge of the track. No problem. Leave them no room at all or just turn right into them because you can't. No, not acceptable. And this is why we have to have a better way of establishing sportsmanlike rules, right? Because you can't force a driver to not exploit every single little margin that you give them. That's what they're always going to do. They're always going to...
take every bit of Mick that they can. Yeah, you're right. But I agree. I was at Brands Hatch last weekend watching a series called the McLaren Trophy. It's all McLaren Arturas. Awesome, right? They're all 17 years old. I saw some of the best battles in GT3s, mind you. They're big cars on a small track, completely clean. Not one bit of contact. We had a battle for P1. It was absolutely insane.
And it was clean. And it was still entertaining without anyone being nasty. And if a kid had driven one of... their competitors off into the gravel you know their dads would have come on and just clip them around the back of the air going you've just driven off Derek's lad I'm going to have a pint their dads are there I'm going to have a pint with Derek later and you've just run him into the gravel you little turnip Yeah, I think
Here's my big question, though. Before Miami, if I'd have sat here and said, okay, do you know what? I've accepted these racing rules. Yeah, outside car needs to be here. Inside car needs to be there. Right. If I just said, okay, but, you know, into turn two and three, do those same rules apply? I think 100% of people would have gone, no, obviously. Obviously not. No. We're talking about the breaking zones, those corners. We're not talking about...
you know, flowing left, right corners. We're not talking about corners that lead into each other and everyone's flat out. We're not talking about kinks like Imola. we everyone would have said no. Those rules don't apply in turn two. And I think it's a huge amount of gaslighting to now retrospectively say that those rules clearly defined for heavy slowing corners apply to every single named kink. And that now, forever...
In Formula One, every time you've got flowing sections of corners, Circuit of the Americas has got them. Circuit of the Americas has corners where you don't touch the brake. Every single corner where we're used to seeing cars racing side by side, 130 are.
We just talked about it. We're basically saying you can never, ever have those moments around 130R again. We'd have all said it was ridiculous. But now, because of this incident, we're saying that these rules now apply to every kink. It's shocking. Let me preface this with a soft agree. Okay, good. No, that's fair. That's fair.
The issue with establishing these rules is there is no way, in a non-arbitrary way, to say, okay, this counts as a corner, this counts as a kink, this counts as a breaking zone. Does a lift off count as a break? It depends where they do it, right? What if turn two is after a straight and then it's a sharp corner? Do the rules then apply to turn two of lap one? It's so hard to black and white say.
the rules apply the rules don't apply so i think the easiest way in this situation was just to say it applies to every single corner on every single Okay, and I agree. It's not perfect, but there is no other way of doing this rather than specifying a list of all of the corners individually. Specify the list of every single corner when those rules apply. Deal. Deal, I take it. I'll take that.
That's not how rules work. From a Miss Apex point of view, I'm happy to go, because I think this will be... annulled. There will definitely not be the case. For sure. It's not going to work. It's not going to work, no. If someone runs someone off in turn one at Imola, which is on the start-finish straight, or turn 19, which is on the start-finish straight, and the inside car goes, well, I've got my nose slightly ahead, I'm just going to run you into the wall.
That isn't going to hold water. It isn't going to work. So I'm happy at some point to go, let's look at the race ahead and say which corners we think these racing rules apply. I'm going to ring up the Russell Botas incident in Imola. Russell was entirely justified to take Botas all the way off onto the wet grass and drive him into the wall. Do you know why that's wrong? Why? Because that's not a named kink. That kink isn't a named corner.
Which is surprising, right? I would have thought if turn one, just after the start-finish straight, is a kink, is a named corner, I would have thought the right-hander before the left into the chicane, I would have thought that would be a named corner. But it isn't. But if he was Axel ahead in that kink, he had every right to go all the way to the edge of the track and drive Butas off at 330 kilometers an hour. And the funniest thing about this... And this is how you know that
Spanners is right. Do you know who agrees with you about this? Christian Horner even thinks that he's a loser. Me and Christian. Come on. If he's going to say that, then you know some fiction is down. Christian Horner has criticized them again. Thank goodness me and Christian Horner aligned once again. reunited and it feels so good um as someone who runs racing series and who has a racing series about to start in the next two weeks
We do have, we have a huge grid. We're going back to basics. It's going to be F3 on iRacing. I'm not allowed to announce the first track, but if you know me and you know iRacing and you could guess which...
old F1 track that isn't currently on the circuit. Bob's speaking Spanish, you're about to give it away. I was about to give it away, sorry. But yeah, if you know the tracks I like, basically we're going old school. We're going old school, F3, fixed setups, we're just pure race we've got a massive grid we're going to have a feature race with a pit start we're going to have a reverse grid and it's going to be a massive amount of fun I think we've got 40 drivers
or 45 drivers already registered. But if you want to get involved, email us feedback at missapex.net or spanners at missapex.net. Obviously, we do our karting, which is going to happen July 5th. We're going to have a very casual Saturday on the weekend of Silverstone where we're going to do a live show and a quiz. So we're going to do a live show like we did last year and the quiz, which worked amazingly in Miami. We had such a great time out there, but there will be sessions.
to book beforehand so you can do time-lapse around the Formula Fast track and see if you're faster than Spanners and Trumpets and the rest of the guys. See if you're faster than Antonia. See if Antonia can finish a karting event. fully within her cart and not lying down on the track. Passed out unconscious. I'll one up you. Let's see how quickly I can finish.
massive bottle of wine whilst watching everyone else I think that's a good one day I do want to run the old school competitions that we used to run but karting has got so expensive in the UK right now The biggest issue is going to be that people are going to expect to be able to drive to these new roles. And we've got to sit there and go, how do we manage a racing series where we've always had respectful... Rules where you just you always leave room for something
And not only do I think that's the best way to go racing, the simplest way to go racing, it also leads to the best racing. I don't want my iRacing series that we're going to broadcast with... scott stuffy toffee as our lead commentator i don't want that to be a series of people having to push people off track and then you know in a big grid someone gets there is slightly ahead so they can push you off so you have to lift
and then you lift, and then the cars behind you just ram into you. This isn't the racing I want. Is this hand on heart, even if it's benefiting your driver, is this really the racing you want? Kind of. I left for the drama. You just want all the yelling afterwards. I really enjoy yelling. I feel like, you know, you know in the comments you get those people always and you can hear their voice where they go, um, actually. It's just kind of fun to have the role reversal every now and again.
All of us, when we're watching the F1 movie, how many times are we going to go, actually? I can't wait. It's fun. It's a nice little switch of positions. It makes me feel like I've taken some of the power back away from... Oh, in the comments. Yeah, no, we don't want this. We want good racing. And I think the F.I.A. is mistaken. More overtakes for good racing. And this wouldn't be the first time that has happened. The good news is if you got.
Someone like Christian Horner, whose driver Max has very clearly benefited from it. And even Max himself says it makes the racing quote not natural. I don't think this is going to be a long-term rule in Formula One and will probably be changed for next season. Yep, probably changed for next season, like the pit lane overtaking rules, like where your tire can be on the... exit of the...
We haven't even discussed the higher pit lane speed limits we might see too. Okay, and we won't do... All sorts of rules. All sorts of things are going to change next year. And we won't on this episode. I think actually the 2026 rules, I've been getting questions in real life.
from people saying, what on earth is going on with the 2026 rules right now? And there's concerns. I think, well, Matt, we can do that midweek if you want. If you want to jump on for a chat midweek. I know a few things, yeah. But what I would like to end the show on, I think we've got another... five minutes here is...
This thing with the Red Bull are protesting everything. So that's not news. That's not normal. So they protested George Russell. They think he went 0.1. over the speed limit under the yellow flags, or waved his hand under the yellow flags and he's not allowed to, but they are really pushing this tyre cooling issue. They are. And the fun thing is that no matter how many times they have pushed it to the point where Zach had a water bottle that said tire water.
on his desk in Miami to make the point of, well, look, if someone's going to make accusations, they should go through the process and not just back channel it through the news media. Nothing's wrong with a McLaren car other than it is exceedingly well designed and thought through to give it the maximum racing at advantage. Now, where Red Bull's concerns have alighted...
With the McLaren management of the rear tire in particular, they look at thermal imagery of the tire, and they don't understand why it's looking so symmetrically cool. relative to their own tires.
But if you listened to our tech show a couple of weeks ago, I mean, Summer's had a little chat about this, and the answer is they've spent a lot of engineering know-how the ducting underneath the brake drums now you used to be able to just exhaust air out of the axle can't do that anymore but if you look at the pictures of the ducting underneath that brake drum
then you would see that McLarens is much more complex than any other teams. And in fact, if you've been sitting with Summers and a Weatherspoons a couple of weeks before that, you've known about it even then. That's like he's six weeks ahead of. And just now we're starting to see stories about the brake duct. We're seeing stories on Auto, Motor, and Sport. We're seeing them in...
Motorsport, we're seeing them in the race that they think now this is where it is. Well, yeah, that is where it is. They spent an enormous resource making it better, and now they're better, and they're better because they made a very good choice. I will say just be careful. If you think that hanging out with Summers in a Wetherspoons is something that you would want, I would seek medical advice first. That is a trap that I don't want anyone to get lured in.
And to be fair, his dad was there too. Oh, his dad's great. Someone's dad is actually really great. Okay, in fact, I've changed my mind. Let's all go and hang out with Summers in a Wetherspoons. It does mean going to the Isle of Wight, which means a ferry, but I don't think the international laws apply there. So we can set up our own casino. I like it.
I think what Black Brown's actions with his water bottle show is everyone's getting a little bit fed up of the whinging coming from within F1 teams. Frankly, it's because they know margins are so close that if they raise a complaint and it happens to get passed and raised and something changes. it would give them the edge. And the issue is there's almost been a reinforcing of this behaviour because in the past, Complaining and whinging has got Christian Lorna a fairly long way.
So can you blame him for continuing to do so, you know? And Zac Brown, bless him. I said, bless him, he's a great man. He's sat there getting very fed up of all these accusations being thrown around with the rise of Drive to Survive. There's a lot of sensationalism generally in our sport now.
where people are throwing around a lot of big words and expecting something to happen. And I think there's going to come a point where everyone just goes, I've had enough, let's just race. Christian Horner has played the referees. And that has been the ethos as well at Red Bull. 2021 is obviously a massive example. He's also happy to play the media. So he's been happy to go out there and say Lewis Hamilton was trying to murder our driver. And that's not a turn. He's happy to play the media.
And now, Zac Brown, Andrea Stella, Lando Norris, they've all made similar statements of, we can do this and still be nice. Piastri hasn't made any of those statements. And he's not obliged to either. But they all seem quite nice. Stella, I'll rank them in niceness. I think Stella, Norris, Zach Brown. But they are all, I think... encumbered and bound by some kind of moral code that Red Bull aren't at all. And if you were a shareholder or a fan, which approach would you push?
on your favorite team. I don't think it's that they're bound so much as that's the precedent that Max Verstappen and Christian Horner have set. Like I said, Verstappen very rarely breaks racing rules. but he exploits them right to the absolute limits of his capability as does christian horner it's not illegal to print out a photo that you think proves your point
and sit with a little group of journalists. It's not illegal to say, oh, well, he was trying to murder our... Actually, it might be. That might be defamation. Anyway. There's a lot of this kind of thing going around, and that's the tone that they've set for Red Bull, right? That's what they have. And McLaren, with such a rich history in the sport, etc., will have a different standard that they're held to.
It's just the different way that the teams operate. Neither one is better than the other. Neither one is guaranteed to win more races than the other. But it's the precedent set by the front people in the teams. But are they doing it, Matt? No. Is McLaren doing some weird cheating thing with Tirewater or anything else? No. They have simply out-engineered the other teams. That's why they have an advantage.
it's it's it's why the other teams are trying to nerf that and this is i mean i know we talk about red bull and you know we could go back i remember uh was it total wolf complaining about the flexi wings on the red bull going into barcelona and they put the dots on them and they do the visual stuff and This is an old, old, old, old, old, one of the oldest tricks in F1 is to complain about somebody else's car as being illegal and get it investigated and get their toy taken away from them.
What's generally been funny is that for all the attempts that have been made, especially on the McLaren in the last year or so, They have not hit their targets. They've hit unintended other targets and absolutely nerfed them. And that's why I'm looking forward to the front wing reset in Barcelona because I'm very curious to see who's going to get caught out by it, but I really don't think it's going to be McLaren.
I agree, right? McLaren's spring to success in the last couple of seasons is suspicious, right, on paper? They've all of a sudden come up with a race-winning, championship-winning car. Except if you know a single thing about McLaren, it's not suspicious at all. They've just got a brand new wind tunnel on site that they didn't have before. Testing time for components has gone from a week to 10 minutes.
because they were sending parts off to Germany previously to the wind tunnel they had over there. It's actually not... suspicious at all it's completely understandable of course their development has been accelerated of course now with the right people that they have in the team which they do
And the car and the drivers, it all comes together. So all of their success is solely down to them. They've got these incredibly developed cars with very well thought through aerodynamics, intelligent drivers. Pretty good leadership right now. They have all of the ingredients for success. But it would be way more fun if it turns out they were cheating. It would, wouldn't it? And there's a technical directive and a secret agreement. Yeah, great TikTok video. And then Red Bull come back.
And you could look at, for example, the cooling in Miami They said they did a lot of work on cooling. You remember Red Bull spending all that time working on their internal cooling and then being better? Well, McLaren has simply copied that, and they've done an excellent job. So now their aerodynamics are better at hot races. They have these break docs that...
You know, the theory, the general theory is somehow there's some sort of passive switch that when they're cold, you can make the tires hotter, and then when they get too hot, you can actually exhaust the heat and bring them back down. That's sort of the general... What we think is going on, there's no confirmation of that because, of course, there's no way to confirm it.
So they've just simply done a better job all the way around. And it's on the other teams to catch them. And in fact, I'd even seen it speculated, I think, in the AMUS article. that Max's complaints about his breaking might be Red Bull's first attempt. to figure out what exactly is happening with the McLaren rear tires and to copy it. And that's what you do. If you can't beat them, copy them. You can't say, I am US Max.
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To be fair, I'm really mad with my messages at the moment. I probably just haven't left. We know you're going back to the Netherlands as well, so that's probably... I'm sorry! The allure of the Stroopwafels overpowers the disallure of the Max Verstappen. I kind of like him now, guys. I don't know. I kind of like Max.
That's allowed! We listen and we judge like a little, but not too much. Guys, he says this, but then he'll send me an angry paragraph. I'll send you all screenshots. Yeah, Antonia. Antonia, you're never invited back. Dear Antonio, I hope this WhatsApp rant finds you out.
No, in fact, I'm going to Facebook DM you. I hope that finds you badly. Well, seeing as you can't go to Chris's birthday party because you're away and you're not invited anyway, perhaps you and Stuffy could come and do a Monaco review with just some random American. Matt, he's the random American. But you should definitely go and check out... Antonia's TikToks because they are informative and wise. You have to search for Antonia.Ranking on TikTok.
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