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Welcome to Mist Apex Podcast. The title of today's show is oh, so now it's a problem. That title brought you by Diego Lopez on Twitter. Hi, I'm your host Richard Reddy, but my friends call me Spanners. So let's be friends. Welcome to our Austrian GP race review.
We'll review a race that had gone to sleep before an undertaker style awakening a race that looked like it was heading the way of a Spain. Oh, we just need five more laps ending and then suddenly it came alive with a series of rare errors from the staff and and Red Bull that allowed
a lot of noise to catch up with a tire advantage and a hunger to win. So coming up. We'll discuss was that George Russell's best performance in a Mercedes. How did he put himself in the position to gobble up that glory? Well, of course, ask whose fault is all the things and will explore what constitutes moving under breaking, but we are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind support of our patrons and partners.
We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first. I'm joined in the shed by Chris Stevens. Hello, Chris. Hello, Spanners. A huge congratulations to Aston Martin on their victory today, though that was of course at the spa 24 hours, not at the rebel ring. Well, I think anyone who survived the spa 24 hours deserves credit just for getting through that rain in the night.
We're also joined by streamer extraordinaire Scott stuffy, toughy. Hello, Scott. Hey, Spanners. It's good to see that in real life drivers also move under breaking and not just in the same racing world. It's something I want to talk to you about because I think I employ the same crafty technique that Max for staff when employees and I actually agree with him that he's not technically moving under breaking. Will that cause an argument?
No, it will be absolutely fine. Let's see. And we're also joined by agent of chaos number one X TV star and radio DJ Ibiza superstar dude. It's Christian Patterson. Hello, Christian. Good evening, guys. I have to admit something from the get go. I didn't watch the last 20 laps. So but anyone's kind of a boring race. Yeah. But we'll get through it. I'm pretty sure we'll find something.
We'll fill you in. We'll fill you in on the bits and boxes. But always plan us. Will anyone object if I skip straight forward to the bit that Christian is claiming to have neglected. Of course, I think we have to start off with that sensational ending or that sensational end to the battle between land on or is and Max for staff. And now, of course, in the sprint race, we've had a little bit of a preview.
And normally my main complaint has been that the sprint race is a spoiler for what's coming up. So that has been kind of offset by the fact that they can go to park firma and they can break park firma and they can change their setups. And I think a lot of the teams changed their car significantly between the sprint races and the real race. So the biggest change that I think I identified that changed the make up of the race was that in the sprint race.
The sprint race, the staff and clearly had better race pace in the car. The red bull seemed like a better race car. But we also got a preview to the future battle between the staff of the Norris. And I think in that race, the difference between the cars was much less obvious. The race pace was much more similar, but Red Bull had managed to get this massive qualifying pace.
In this case, Chris, the sprint race, I felt like it was going to ruin the main race because frankly, I'd been quite fatigued of F1 by the time we got to today. But actually, the story of Norris versus for staff and was an epic weekend long fight.
The thing is it added to the Grand Prix because they were taking knowledge from their wheel to wheel battle into the Grand Prix itself. You can almost see the moment where Norris has identified I can't pass for staff and turn four, the downhill breaking zone after the second straight.
So I'm going to have to do it at turn three into the, you know, the biggest stop the hairpin that leads on to that that back straight. And so that's when he does his super impressive lunch down there, barely gets it stopped and they just squeezed through the corner. And you can see in the Grand Prix itself, that was, you know, attack number one from Norris to try and make that move again. And, you know, he did have a couple of goes at it, but you could also see that Max was wise to it this time.
And he adjusted his defense accordingly, but it was somewhat outside the rules of combat. And I'm not just talking about the actual contact that ended both their races. Scott, that first battle in the sprint race, to me, that there looked like a sort of, and Landon Norris didn't quite know where he was and what he was at and maybe a little bit of a nosebleed from being in that position to win. And the staff and just seemed like completely in control.
Yeah, I think it was naivety from land on Norris. He had the D.R.S. and that Red Bull was just so much quicker in a straight line than the McLaren. I mean, even without the R.S. he was able to stay in the toe and get up alongside and make that move down into turn four.
I think anyone who's even raised on sim racing knows that you always try and force the overtaking car around the outside because it's a longer way for them to go rounds. The corner is off camera. And there's more. There's gravel on the outside as well. So obviously with today's racing rules, if you go into that corner ahead, you're allowed to bolst them off the circuit in an essence into that gravel.
And we've seen so many cars lose out on the outside of that turn four and end up getting tagged. So Albon, Perez, both of whom got tagged by Mercedes there. But yeah, because of the corner is like always dipping away and forcing you away. If you've got that inside line, you're really hanging the guy on the outside to dry. And there's only really been issues there when the outside car is trying to squeeze away from the exit.
Heck happened to Piaestry on the opening lap of the race, didn't it? Yeah, Christian. Yeah. The funny thing about the sprint race and that particular overtaking attempt was the way that the first up and drives was already evident right there because they go down to turn number four. And he chooses the inside, right.
Forza's Lando to choose the outside. As soon as he sees Norris choosing the outside, he immediately squeezes him. He immediately goes to the other side. And that is basically the, that is how he's racing. He's racing the car, the way the car drives behind him. And it didn't become dangerous there, but yeah. Well, well, he out with the rest of the show. Well, definitely. Yeah, he did do that. And I think Lando, you could see how this heart and he was again in the interviews after the sprint race.
Definitely to the, I mean, you only learn from your mistakes in the day. And he's had a couple of opportunities at chasing max down. And this was the first kind of time they've gone will to will. He definitely took that as Chris mentioned as a lesson into today and played Max Verstappen at his own game. And oh boy, I tell you what, if you can't dish it out.
Boy, if you dish out, you better be able to take it. And today we found out a driver who definitely cannot take having his own games from straight back at him. Yeah, so I will say that Lando kind of goad Verstappen a little bit in that sense with his some of his attempts in the the Grand Prix itself fighting for the lead there.
Because he's he's doing the big lunges. He's pushing the track limits as well. Because he probably he would have had to have made the move and then pull five seconds on on max because he did end up with a five second time penalty for the track limits there. After doing an attempt and then running off the road, you can argue that he's gone off the road there because Max is reacting to Lando in the breaking zones. And yeah, and moving across in the breaking zones there.
We need to jingle. We need to jingle spanners. What the whose fault is it? Yeah, we're getting there. We're getting there. I didn't mind the track limits by the way. I love the how we'll have a longer chat about the track limits when we talk about the mystery, but I like the fact that during the race, there's actual jeopardy for going off. But I don't feel like it's designed for when you have contact and go off.
I feel like track limits specifically is designed for when you're being a bit cheeky trying to get a bit of extra purchase on the exit and entry. I don't think it's like you got heated off in an incident, which is later declared by the stewards to be not your fault. IE the contact was caused by somebody else, which resulted in you going off. And then you get a track limits violation for that. I was like, no, no, the penalty was one before because he had a lunch and the Iran off himself.
That was the one. Yeah, I still think it's not designed for going off under racing. The problem is is that it's reported by the marshals, right? And race control can't pick through every single one of those things that don't why somebody went off, I think. But where is he picked up these three previous track limits violations? If track limits is so hard to do now, I mean, there must have all happened between turns six and seven or something.
I guess it seems to be their only place as I was going to be actually found out where you can do track limits now. I find this, I find it obscure that we are not presented with any evidence of this when it's such a conclusive thing that is going to change everything. We need the evidence. Otherwise, you have to rethink these penalties because I mean, it's just word against word, isn't it? At this point. Yeah. And our words will be set against each other. Exactly.
As we play a little game of whose fault is it? Whose fault is it? Okay, there's a lot of different elements here because there was there was various battles in this particular war that we had between Verstappen and Lando Norris. So you had a couple of instances of basically Lando Norris with the DRS chasing down and going for a move up the inside, one I think was into turn three and one was into turn four, where Verstappen appeared to have moved in the breaking zone.
And then Lando Norris is very vocal trying to basically play the referee. Well, racing. And I wonder how much that happens all the time, Chris, when there's someone hunting down and we don't always hear the radio messages. But there it's seem it's sort of sounded like Norris was on a you know in a icing lobby complaining in the group chat.
I tell you it happens every single time spanners if the car in front of you goes a millimeter off the racetrack you immediately on the button back guys just gone off the track. And I've heard of in in other series. I've heard of drivers being told you didn't tell us that this guy went off the track 27 times you need to tell us when this happens so that we can report it to the stewards because they don't keep on top of it.
It was it was quite nice F1 TV playing that radio. Oh, he pushed me out. He needs to give me that place back within seconds of that message. Obviously happening normally we wait a couple of laps for it, but the moving under breaking. All right. 100%. He he was moving under breaking in a couple of his. I don't I don't agree. He was moving under breaking.
But he literally moves in the breaking zone and he reacts to the big thing that the difference between defending and blocking and you can't do blocking is when you react to the car behind you. I actually like couple of months ago I was working on a video with professional racing drivers about this for a client. And they all said the same thing. It's when you react to the car behind you and you can see Norris positions his car behind and the max reacts accordingly in the breaking zone.
Totally agree. Can't disagree with it is. It is max of old. It's max of old. We've been told this guy has matured how much maturity is he does. He's able to race will to will now look at him. Look at how his grown up he went will to will with Charles the Claire. He has not grown up clearly in the last two and a half years since he lost had a will to will battle. Andre Estella.
Man of the moment afterwards said it perfectly will be an interview by Ted Crabitz and he said they've learned nothing from max. Max has learned nothing from 2021 and this is down solely to the FIA for not punishing him harsh enough for what happened back with his fights with Lewis. And now he's been so dominant for the last two and a half years but he hasn't had to fight anyone. So of course he's matured. He has seemed like he's matured off circuit. Now, tell me wrong.
He's comments after the race were a little bit more measured than it normally would be and he has grown off circuit but clearly when it comes to will to will the man would rather crash. Then lose now I get it. They all want to win but land. I put it perfectly. I've lost a lot of respect for him because.
I how can you trust a driver who you consider to be a friend as well to move in the breaking zone in the fastest series of motorsport in the world is a reason why this rule exists for safety because. They move so quickly under breaking the closing speeds are so quick you cannot be reactionary and that's exactly what max was doing today and I think that's also why land. So he had why some of those dives and those sends a couple of them were a little bit out of control because he left more room.
Then he would do because he was so scared of where max was going to end up. And I think the difference between you know the max we saw today the max we saw in like you know 21 and the max we've seen in between is that he's had that.
In a confidence that it doesn't really matter what he does he's going to get through and still win the race at no point or on very few occasions has actually look like a win might be in jeopardy if he doesn't make this move immediately right today the win was absolutely in jeopardy and maybe. You know losing that confidence because suddenly the car feels terrible and we've lost six seconds in a pit stop and suddenly it's all crumbling around him.
I'm happy Scott brought up the address to the interview because that was not an interview where they sit down for an hour talked about things that was straight after the race straight after the finish line. So good. And actually his his his exact words were part of his is exact words were. But the problem behind this is that if you don't address these things honestly they will come back and this is exactly what happened to.
I think a little bit that entire scandal with Horner at the start of the year that's a product of how they treat it from a social media point of view Silverstone in 21 if you go and play stupid games you're going to win stupid prices. And Formula one has a problem with the way Max your statin is driving because they are letting him get away with things that no one else is getting away with.
I just I think someone's going to have to the maybe specify some rules or something I think we need some sort of dot to this situation someone needs to do something otherwise it's just going to continue. And so it's worth noting that Stella didn't say the staff and the villain would he was he's bad for what he does he's a bad person he's the sort of person who does might he eats mushy peas.
Right he didn't do that he talks specifically about the stewating and allowing it to happen and my point in all of this with all these drivers standard I think for staff and got away with absolute racing murder in 2021. But why would you stop doing it when you're not being punished for doing it so after 2021 I'd never said for staff and as a terrible person a terrible driver and he should be sanctioned I said the rest of the grid needs to look around look at what the staff
and gets away with and realize that's what you're allowed to do and if the whole grid had on mass done that I think it would have been you know more of an issue for everyone totally agree and we saw that today with land though implementing those same tactics on the staff and this comments from the staff and after the race saying you can't just send it and hope that someone
confused the way which is so hypocritical of the guy because he's made an absolute reputation and career out of doing this since he came into f1 and now the racing rules are there to accommodate exactly how he's raised so now someone's implemented the same tactics against him it's not okay.
However, the rules have once again as Christian says probably need to be clarified because once again max for staff and wasn't penalized in my opinion for breaking the rules because he maintained a position by keeping his foot in and driving around the outside.
That was interesting. Yeah. And rejoin the circuit maintain a position he did that exact move going closer leaving less room for Charles to clear and won the race in 20 not did it I think you won the race in 2019 so I mean what is it it is not exactly necessary the rules is to implementation for them and the stewards today I think and it wasn't it was very convenient that once they both made contact land on the race finally got the five second time penalty for his off track.
And which was the one that has been investigated a few laps prior they most definitely prioritized today stewards and the FIA prior to prioritise entertainment over the fairness of the sport see that one where max goes off and and land oh think he's going to go through max comes out ahead similar to the 20 90 19 incident with the club. Holcombberg got a penalty for in the sprint race as well. For me that's kind of the definition of running someone off track.
Now I think the only mitigating circumstance in the Norris for staff one is the fact that for staff in is closing the door mid breaking zone and so it is forced to go tighter and then have less room on the exit.
I don't like it I don't like the move norris down but it's the racing rules now and he did everything within the letter of the law max was given sufficient room he should have come out of the throttle slotted in behind land oh he didn't he kept his foot in and held on to the position by just going around the sausage curb and that's that's the problem you have to race to the rules of the air and it's one rule for everyone else and one rule for max he got away with moving under breaking numerous times.
And the only reason he got penalized is because of the outcome of him actually making contacts otherwise we probably not even have a penalty or a post race for max if they both made it without contact to the end of the race.
Who Scott sorry Christian that's okay relatively to the bigger picture we're talking about a penalty applied to a team they have to serve in some sort of scenario there's the five second there's the 10 second there's a stop and goal there's even a stop and go 10 second today Hamilton was sliding his car and just touched the white line on the stupid entry start.
It got half the penalty of what a first up and got from doing moving under breaking numerous times and that's just I mean this is a million dollar sport just growing every day and if you apply rules like this we we're going to need some var situation so var technology.
I would even argue that max didn't get a penalty for moving under breaking he got a penalty for failing to leave knows sufficient room because what he did the maneuver in that specific scenario where they eventually made contact the only thing max does wrong is the space he leaves how do you left 10 centimeters more to the left everything he'd done there would have been perfectly legal and yes.
And good in the eyes of the racing street I have a small space he left on the left of a small counter to that because it's correct and the we got covered on the commentary I was watching but basically to avoid weaving and blocking if you want to cover the inside that's fine but as we all know when you make a really strong move to cover the inside the car behind goes okay I'm not going to get the inside line tries to take the best possible line on the outside you can go back to the outside so that's one she can do one move to the inside and then you can make another one thing.
And you can make another one to the outside but you have to leave a whole cars with right so he was doing that but he was clearly intent on pulling a a rosberg 2015 on Hamilton and actually after the initial contact he completed the rosberg maneuver so I can even without that even without that initial contact he's fully planning to take Norris all the way to the end of the exit and that's what what caused the damage I think.
And no the first was it an instant puncture right and but land oh yeah land those damage I think came from that second contact which I was right it was the plan along didn't end there because then heading down to turn four yeah this is doing moment of madness driving him on to the grass now I'm sure defenders will probably say he's looking maybe it.
I can't come in a rubbish on to and that's a little bit I know it's he's driven them off because he doesn't know at this moment in time what damage land oh has if he has any at all and he's looking to cover him off and I just I don't know it's just absolute moments of madness and the best sports I said it previously on this
podcast that we see in high pressured moments the best sportsmen come through the ones that go down in history and the ones are able to hope with high pressured environments today was one of those that I'm sure we'll get to was all caused by his faultless pit stop team being very issue prone today with that poor pit stop which allowed land
to be in the D. R. S. but yeah what a how he's proven time and time again but when he's put under pressure in will to will scenarios he kind of folds or at least can't do it within the confines of the track I will say he's a three time world champion so you know he has proved that he can deliver success quick yeah he's quick but he's in a dominating car when no one has been able to push him and go will to will and that's really
good for him and he's been able to do it in a way where racing in high-pitched environments and he's found again today Christian if this was the first race I've ever watched of for stop and racing I would just have called this the racing incident I mean that that
would that could happen in a racing incident it just didn't see him but when you know for stop and racing wouldn't call it skills but techniques and especially defense techniques you know what he did there you know exactly what he did there we have all done it in a go
especially the thing he did down to turn four where he just wouldn't let land or go by and put him on the grass that is a disqualification in my book I mean you cannot drive another car off the track after an incident that is a that is revenge or something like that that should just like the break stoppage in in Qatar one point and Hamilton the white is no one looking at this if this happened at a racing track a go car track everyone will be like you're off you're not
anymore today and we've all seen them at the racing tracks we all know how they do this we know why they do it we know how it works and we know what which type of people these are this is people who has not been educated into how to behave and the fact no one asked about it afterwards in the in the press pens it seemed as well and it's the third incident in two race weekends where somebody has
aggressively used their car to make a point to someone else third yeah think about the two practice sessions in Spain and for me those are both ban think just do not even give them a chance just send them home and that will immediately send a very clear message okay but in the last race and two rights don't make a wrong here but land or Norris was putting the
step in on to the grass as well in what was just pretty ridiculous move and when you try to say I think there's room Hamilton and the staff and both laugh that him in the in the interview pen so look this is like a habit of really dangerous driving start to creep in and look what you know we've gotten away with it but these are all the sorts of behaviors that could lead to something really avoidable just back to the sort of
the way I think what Max was maybe anticipating when he was moving over to the left was for Norris to take a bit of the curb maybe some of the the the tarmac runoff area there which some people have been doing is when you look at it you see land as well as a up against the white line and sort of not any further really and it reminds me of a similar incident max got
penalized for doing a similar maneuver on botas at Monza and there's a little green strip of sort of fake a strobe to her for grass creed or whatever it is on the way into the first she came botas doesn't use that and Max moves over and he gets a penalty for causing a collision and he when he gave his you know are they doing a great job at killing racing team radio in the same way that
kind of didn't really take responsibility for today's incident either I want to say you can't really compare the two incidents because at a start it's not uncommon someone's got two wheels on the grass but if Norris did this at every start then we could talk about it if it was a tendency if it was how he started formula one races always then yes then it would be a problem if he wasn't
penalized that's not the case lendo is a pretty clear and pretty I mean he's a clean driver he's working for it and it will come to him OK do I do I risk defending the staff in here I think do it just I think no one kind of disagrees on the actual contact it's
no is penalized for no and I think he's doing extreme defending so I object slightly to the notion that he shouldn't defend and there he should just allow a drs pass to cruise by him so I'm saying that I'm a center what I can't just mischaracterize your argument and just argue a much
more extreme version of what you said so look you know that would make you a politician's yeah but he doesn't have to he doesn't have to yield and compete like he can position his car where where he wants if he's ahead you know he can pick and you know what a common tactic is stick yourself
in the middle of the straight yeah and with a car behind you and then look for that first reaction of the car behind you and then decide what your first position is going to be now in the breaking zone this is what we're talking about when you say
oh it's blocking you're reacting to what the driver is is doing it's blocking even if you're flat out on the straight as well it's any movement you make that's in reaction to the car but yeah but is it a reaction or that is the position I was going to pick
I was always going to pick the inside he just happened to move at the same time yeah my bad sorry about that I'll try to make sure it doesn't happen again but the thing that the staff and does which I don't think constitutes moving in the breaking zone is something that I do myself on a car track
or I racing as a defense when somebody's got the run on you is particularly down the inside is instead of say a hairpin where you're going to break in a straight line stay quite wide and then kind of you shape the corner and sort of fling it around with an early acceleration instead of doing that I might go actually I'm not going to you the corner this time this time I'm going to be the corner you know and you kind of just head for the apex and so you get to just just before the
breaking zone point your car towards the apex and then hit the brakes as hard as you can when you're being it you're going to break a little bit later so that's going to give yourself a bit of racing room now I'm not moving in the breaking zone I'm heading towards the apex line that I'm going to take and I actually think that is what the staff and is doing and I wonder stuffy because you know I watch your streams would you ever dream of defending like
that and yes technically you're moving across the lanes but you're breaking in a straight line I'm not sure what the staff and did today although he moved and things I looked at the sky part I saw all that they only showed it from the rear of the staff and car they didn't show what what he was doing with the steering wheel and he himself said I turned before the breaking zone then I hit the brakes he is still being he can do that with
to an extent he is being reactionary still is the whole thing everything that he was doing was too late it was all around it was after the hundred bull marker he isn't directing his car as he's breaking he is doing it after he's breaking in reaction to how land though is sending position his car
because he's slightly behind now he maxed today completely underestimated the ability of land though under the brakes on those fresh attires at the stage of that race he thought he had him covered and it was only when he would check a glance in his mirrors or his peripheral vision that he would
think oh crap and he got caught out and he kept doing it and then eventually of course it's led to that contact but if he was doing what he said he was doing I totally understand but he wasn't then position his car at a V shape at the apex as he's breaking he's doing it as after he's breaking it's react that's reactionary so I think yeah you can someone can prove me wrong but I think you can do that as
you break you choose a direction in which you're going to break yeah but he's doing that he's breaking in a straight line and then moving which land though is getting caught out on and wasn't too happy with and no one is too happy with just a slight thing on that when you talk about the breaking
so before you move on if if I am going to V the corner in a defensive manner I am able to break later then I would do like normally so there was talk of like the 100 meter board is the break point but obviously you're not straight to 100% on the brakes there you might you might drag
them up the hill a little bit or drag them down the hill in turn four and then you're starting to move the weight over so you've got slightly longer breaking zone if I'm just trying to defensively V the corner my breaking point is going to be a lot later so yeah just because Lando Norris
chose to have a you know a more you know progressive breaking into that corner I can choose to break late and then so I can't move in his breaking zone or I can't move in my breaking zone because you can stop it a lot quicker and I say something Scott I think what you're the
point is of course you can break later in a V corner but your traction out of the corner is going to be ruined compared to the you corner yes you blow it's a little bit given take basically yeah so I think the idea on those defensive moves is you you V into the corner break a lot and then
hopefully you know you can also block pass which I think is what the staff when we're doing today it well I think we're just not used to seeing that aggressive a defense in formula one and I think there's no one does it like the staff when does it I'm going to I'm going to give a few points spanners because Scott Chris and I are right and you are wrong okay so here we go the first one is going to be Alex Borentel he finished his off his analysis with the words I don't think he
intended to move into Norris they cut to the entire F1 live team and they were all laughing loud out loud that was really funny the other thing is Christian Horner's quote was he is I felt like Norris was trying to call something up at turn three after knowing he would get a track limits penalty when Christian Horner tells something like that you know the opposite the true so and then the third one which is probably the best one in the in the slow down room the
room before the podium right they were all free watching it and one of them said oh he moved twice so I mean when even the drivers are laughing at it in the cool down room and everyone else is laughing about it with some things wrong right yeah what can I just say though in 2021 no one was laughing about it what if you were sitting there complaining about it no if you were complaining about these moves in 2021 you get shot down an awful lot more and frankly on Twitter where I get regularly
having my staff and fans the real defense they could come up with yeah was yeah but Norris yeah but Norris in Spain you know that's the count I think even the staff and fans will look at that and go well yeah I mean they were celebrating that in 2021 when he was chasing down the incumbent now he's the champ and now it doesn't feel quite doesn't feel quite right yeah exactly that it's the fact of the roles have reversed max is no
longer the hot shot trying to win his first world championship taking down the status quo and the domination of Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes it's now roles reversed he's the one who's been dominating figure and not really had a challenge for the last few years and you got land on Norris whose
fresh who's a very popular person in just f1 has lots of fans and yeah today it's been very much flipped on its head and it's been interesting to see people's perspectives after coming out and condemning that other than yeah of course the red ball team.
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We've spent you know good chunk of time on this topic it's a meaty topic and it's so seeped in the history of recent formula one and it also is important you know going forward so 10 second penalty it's a start I would like to see that running Norris off onto the grass investigated not particularly because I I want Max for staff and putting stocks and punished it's because I would like to be a fan of a sport where those shoe macket-esque type type maneuvers again like against Damon Hill
I would like to watch a sport where those are clamped down on unpunished I'm much more concerned about when the next person thinks about doing it they go oh but the staff and actually got a five place grid penalty for that so that that's what I'm concerned with Scott
the 10 second penalty is fine it's a start he still increases his championship lead but that was also true in Silverstone with Hamilton's 10 second penalty but at least he got pinged for that being his fault and and I think that the part of that penalty was
all the other stuff and all the other aggression movie I think it was a culmination of all the defenses and they go okay we can definitely get in for that one 10 seconds ago Yeah I agree it is a start however as we mentioned earlier on Christian mentioned it about how Lewis Hamilton and Alex Albon got penalties for slightly crossing the pit line entry which is five seconds now you weigh those up compared to Severity Fernando Alonzo also had a poor move on Joe
Grain U which was also a 10 second penalty and that was a medical procedure what Alonzo did to Joe though I know he launched him into the air poor Joe he's had a poor enough weekend already let alone Fernando Alonzo attacking him at the top of turn free but in fairness
in fairness those got Fernando Alonzo is in zero given and full McLaren Honda I don't care anymore I know I know he is but going back to the penalties I just don't see what the issue is going back to the good old fashioned dry fruit
that's at least 20 seconds probably even longer than that obviously because of the exit as well reboring and Max today was still very quick and finished ahead of Holcombberg and so forth it wouldn't have affected him but moving forward I think that's much better of a penalty
and it's an immediate on track penalty as well rather than it being dished out post race where they can come in pit for the soft tire and react to it basically to try and nullify that Oh how the tables turn because was it not six or seven years ago when we were saying
we can't keep giving drive through penalties for these inoculars because it ruins races well I was you can find Scott say I wasn't here for that I mean that was the general consensus All right the last bit of Norris versus Verstappen is we're going to go you know full gossip here
like what is the tea on their friendship guys like what is going to happen now because Norris did not look in the mood you're gonna still be best friends with him he's like well I don't know maybe if he's a sorry and Verstappen is not going to say sorry
No joke I do think this is possibly the first spark of a friendship that's going to turn into potentially a more bitter rivalry given that how many times they're meeting each other on track at the moment and how many times we expect them to continue meeting each other on track
whether that spark is going to be fanned into a flame we shall see Oh man I reckon if the in the movie of this about three weeks ago when the McLaren started getting more pace they were sat on a dock somewhere with with beers and like a fishing rod
and they were like you know what happened with Rosberg and Hamilton you're like yeah that had never happened to us they would it max no that would never happen to us you have to pinky swear and they there and they pinky swear and then they catch fish and drink beer
I'm sorry to ruin this BFF talk just with I need to say just one thing in regards to the dry fruit penalties I totally understand that point because that route did it does ruin races the pit lanes are so long and it takes average 25 seconds right that's going to ruin a race
what we need is to look at unsportsman like behavior and we need to have a stand of that which can be applied to certain scenarios and when that is applied that is straight to the pit possibly 10 second or maybe a disqualification I like things like you can't recharge your battery
America unsportsman like behavior can't recharge your battery for 10 laps go that might work out well right let's move on because neither of those guys won the race it was actually won by someone else I have been the biggest critic I would say of George Russell over the last few seasons
and I think it's been justified there's definitely an element I'm always asking myself is it because I'm a massive Lewis Hamilton fan and therefore anyone who goes up against him in his team is instantly the pantomime enemy is that the case possibly I'm not going to deny that
but I think the criticisms we've had of George Russell particularly around that weakness of race pace has been legitimate but when you we got to a race like this and suddenly we got to sprint qualifying it's not a super low wear circuit but during the sprint race through that stint on the medium
he suddenly seemed Chris like he was really in control like something had changed and then when it got to the stints today he was really able to manage and he didn't do what he normally does which is to them up at the beginning of the race
he had to fight Lewis Hamilton so he got that done but then he just settled in and he just seemed to drive a really sensible race this was not a low deck race this was a very high deck race because the temperatures were off the scale and the medium times being chewed through by the looks of it
and I think George he did run too hard didn't he and the sort of only jeopardy for him where he had hards on at the end the medium medium hard was what was really right so really yeah the only jeopardy for him at the end was the fact that piastre was on mediums at the end
and could protect and arguably a faster car as well but the damage was already done in qualifying for piastre but no you're right for George it was sort of the opposite wasn't it to what we normally seen because Lewis was the one attacking in the early stages
but Lewis normally waits until the last five laps of a Grand Prix weekend to prove that he's faster than George whereas he was trying to do it straight away and he made the initial lunge George really kept his composure and just simply redid him down the next straight
which was a nice bit of race craft there and I almost wonder if he intentionally let Lewis pass into turn three so that he could get the TRS for the next straight and make sure he got a good exit and everything kind of like that the clever staff and battle from Bahrain a couple of years ago
but yeah it was good strategy and he was almost kind of in a race of his own kind of yeah he was look sometimes things for when he'll happen today it did he clearly didn't have the pace of land oh and max and I think it was quite a clear hierarchy today or this weekend of the teams
Red Bull with land oh slightly behind McLaren and then you had Mercedes and Ferrari and I think what was quite interesting today is that Mercedes definitely helped Russell win that or get him as the lead Mercedes to the Chris.
Lewis see I don't like that I'm going to argue I'm going to argue go for it Lewis Hamilton as Chris just mentioned and a little bit of a tussle at the start which George defended well and regained but then they told Lewis to give the position back to signs after what is always a lap one
it's turn one incident that always happens drivers always run out over the curb and they stay sub by side up to turn three and they got Lewis to give the position to signs while he was looking and was in the D.R.S. of George Russell and then that obviously compromise the rest of his race balance
Now you're right in that I don't think that he should have had to have given that place back because we see that every single year you're absolutely right in the Austrian Grand Prix it's just the way the corner is set up and there's a lot of common sense with these when you when you have a chicane or a left right flip flop on a track they normally have an escape route and then a route to get back on track because they would rather people left the track than just have a pile up and a crunch
so those escape routes are perfectly fine you have to go over a big curb on that exit as well so it's not really a massive advantage and I think that may be where Hamilton got some floor damage anyway so yeah we've seen that over and over again so it's under investigation
and I'm thinking he even putting our patron discord chat hello patrons that there's there's there's he'll be fine I said he'll be fine that's a complete lap one incident it's so so normal the the argument would be did they make him give it back to keep Norris up front like you're claiming stuffy
I would say the council to Roger Russell sorry I would say the counter argument to that is Singapore a couple of years ago where Norris was really loudly complaining that Hamilton had to give it back in exactly the same scenario going off track at Singapore and then taking the escape route
which is a perfectly like it's a mandated part of F1 F1 starts but the FIA won't tell people to give the place back anymore they have to the team makes the decision and then they decide you know based on that action but we saw Verstappen had basically the same
advantage when he went off when he was forced off by land on Norris and there was no comeback there the FIA didn't make them swap they weren't going to make Lewis Hamilton swap I think that Mercedes is just over cautious with this Chris what 100% they were over cautious with it we
know that the stewards and turn a blind eye but they're much more lenient with anything that happens at term one at the start of the race and it was absolute classic term one at the rebel ring lots of cars went off and I'm sure this was not the only driver to go off and try and maintain position ahead of the car he was alongside at the time he went off and it does have shades of Singapore where they just did not need to do it and I don't understand where this
narrative of oh he definitely would have got a five second penalty for doing that and so that's why they've given the place back what they've done there is they've seen the Mercedes do it and so they've assumed that already must have been able
to be on route for a five second penalty then which is just not the case at all and that has completely ruined Lewis Hamilton's race in its entirety I would probably say the unfortunate pit lane entry ruined these race more but yes I mean there was a limit in that first in especially
there was a limited amount of time that they had to go on the attack and then after that I think it was about eight laps or so and then you could see them all drop around 1.8 to 2 seconds back to tyre safe so there was in some clean air and there was all looking forward to the next stint but
yeah I just found that very intriguing and I think we are going to see George and I'm not saying necessarily to favour George I think they do and I think you're a bit naive to think that they won't but probably they know how George wants to fight Lewis and they just know as a team
they would just lose unnecessary time if they're fighting in the early stages of the race and then much rather just keep them slightly apart shall we say I'm pretty sure you had some damage I think I said I said that after the race which cost him around a two to 10s
a lap but you still got to be amazed at how different the Friday Lewis is to the Saturday and Sunday Lewis some things there's something not working for him or you could say there's something working particularly well for Russell he is our driving Hamilton and
that's just a matter of fact yeah he's definitely in a much better place mentally than Lewis I think Lewis is we've all been in the job where we've put in a notice and we know out we know how to do the job we've got a month left or two months left however long you notice period is and you still
do your job but you know you're not doing it to the best of your ability and I know he's in F1 and people will think yeah but he's a sportsman he's in F1 he's got one of the top drives in Formula One look we're only human and I think he's definitely just looking to get out
at the end of the year and George Russell is the man at Mercedes and will be that leader next year and it's two different mentalities we'll see we'll see a resurgence of Lewis hopefully next year and Ferrari but George look he did the job today that different
strategy as you said credit where it is he finished strong and was comfortably ahead of signs or race until Piazzarie started to chase him down to all the end yeah I mean I've done that notice period I did it for three years once I just didn't I just didn't tell them so I definitely I did
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three hour hangout come and meet the crew mistapexpodcast.com forward slash live show link in the show notes below all right so all I say about the the Lewis Hamilton stuff if you want to try and paint his weekend as being somehow unlucky and being thwarted at turn one and being thwarted
by the Mercedes tactics to swap I would say there was about eight other factors and he himself was just complaining like I'm just a bit slow here a bit slow this weekend I'm not quite on it there's loads of errors so going over the pit line that's that's his error putting yourself in a
position where you're going to get squeezed out off track onto a curve that damages your your floor that's that's his error as well and then you know not qualifying ahead of your team make in the first place you have to make that that's his error as well so I still have a
sneaking feeling though that a Lewis Hamilton putting a weekend together at the moment including a Saturday or just somehow being ahead of George Russell just it doesn't matter where the other cars are around him because there it's a normal fight it's a weird fight that he's got
against George Russell with the politics in the team but if he can just have a decent Saturday and put the car together I think that you will see what is the actual Mercedes pace and I get the feeling that's what Mercedes want to see as well but the fact that you can't make any excuse
it's not happening he hasn't strung a good weekend together pretty much full stop so that's just kind of on Lewis Hamilton Christian if you look at the Friday's right when they do the qualification simulation there's there's not going to be a driver going like I'm
going to go 90% the team is going to need him to do 100% to do the simulation so the cars are going to go full out and the drivers are going to give it the full beans if Hamilton is the fastest car on track almost every Friday I'm not saying he's the fastest over
Friday but he's he's in top three every Friday he's got the car sorted and then something happens on Saturday that is we all know drivers like I would not say a Lonsa want to say for stop and I want to say Hamilton they drive at their 100.5% always they they
don't suddenly become a 95% driver so something's going on I'm not at all suggesting sabotage I don't believe in stupid conspiracies like that because why would you but there is something going on people are speculating about tires but I can't
figure it out. Okay but this weekend you know who didn't make eight separate errors or have eight separate things going wrong Chris and that is George Russell like if you want to talk about out and out pace and who's got the ultimate Sunday pace that's one thing but George Russell is out there pretty much every weekend delivering maximum George Russell and he's driven a smart race today so you know the too much of the focus should be what on why Lewis didn't win Russell one.
Yeah and he even said after the sprint didn't he that you know plan is to you know watch lander max fight a little bit and then scoot through past them and that's exactly ended up happening wasn't quite as close to them when it happened as I'm sure he would have liked but he you know he
called it on Saturday evening when he qualified a third so yeah fair play to him because he kept his car in the right position he was in that position to pick up the scraps yeah and you know but I I do think the there wasn't just you know Max and Lando could win the race as well even
when you take them out of the equation after the contact I think the person who's going to be kicking himself most is Oscar Piaestry because his race came undone on Saturday qualifying and it's not often that you can say the race was ruined in qualifying unless you qualify you know 17th
or something and you're going for the win but that really did hinder his way shouldn't have broken the pre agreed rules then I'm really so I'm really and just annoyed about go on go Chris go off go off everyone everyone who said that oh well if the gravels there then it shouldn't be
track limit should it is like well no he's still went over the white line doesn't matter where the gravel trap is it's the same like it's been every other corner at every other circuit for the last how many years we've been doing the white line rule he went over the white line therefore it is
track limits therefore the lap is deleted and it doesn't matter why he's gone off or how close he is to the gravel play the res gained an advantage or not it's track limits what might mean laugh about the defense of this is that multiple drivers got track limits there and laps
deleted throughout qualifying for the whole weekend in sprint shootout and qualifying it was made such a big deal obviously because Oscar would have been in in P3 but I mean look if you're going to have a go at anyone and if that's how you truly want to have the rules at that
specific corner why not just take a chunk off of the curb and don't make the curb wide enough for an F1 car to fit in between that white line and the gravel because that's what the issue was with that curb and then the gravel is the track limits you know but while the white line is
there and while I'm sure they've had their driver briefing and the race director has implemented these are the track limits these are the boundaries of the track you don't raise your hand and raise your concerns at the time then you can't speak up about it when
you're the one who unfortunately becomes a victim of it yeah that gravel track needs to be you know five centimeters further in doesn't it like closer to the track then you can argue that the gravel is the track limit but it doesn't it literally doesn't matter what furniture
is track site if you're over the white line and whether you gain an advantage or not and this has been the case whether it's grass gravel or asphalt or concrete or grass creek or whatever it is in whatever scenario especially in qualifying that lap gets deleted
yeah big up so the A1 ring crew for doing the gravel though I mean the A1 ring any more Christian is cut for ring and it's a free is the A1 ring Adam Sandler my last dream is that what you're doing you're doing Adam Sandler voice please I was just doing a general like I'm actually okay
but that is true I'm sorry apologize red bull ring they did a magnetic magnificent job I think I think it's just a proactive simple solution that is going to work for everyone and it turned out we didn't have much of those but I still want to I still I still agree with Chris
why make it such that it's still possible I mean yeah why Chris selling I don't know why what I will Chris what I will say Piaštri pulled off three stunning maneuvers round the outside of 10 six in the spring and in the Grand Prix again as well and I love that he just doesn't
really care who he's racing doesn't he he's just going yeah yeah I'll just go around the outside of you don't really care and then he's team mate in the spring race exactly that was phenomenal the one he pulled on science as well particularly towards the end of the race was just chef's kiss
and definitely like big contributing factor to finishing in second place so not just like oh well Max and Lando took each other out no that was a well-earned podium okay so he's been unlucky there and I completely lost track of what was happening to signs and I don't want to
put it because we're being you're being all positive about Piaštri there and he just finished in second place so this seems like a weird completely unprovoked attack but if you're Russell and you look in the wing mirrors and you've got a McLaren and a Ferrari charge down
charging you down which drivers do you hope are in there and as far as Russell was concerned the correct McLaren and the correct Ferrari driver were there for him to bring that home so I okay okay hypothetical what okay you put Norris in that McLaren you put Norris in there wait and you put
Leclerc's Ferrari there Russell doesn't win that race today no no no okay I agree with you on the McLaren one I agree with you on that one but no I that this weekend I'd rather have had Leclerc in there because he would have fallen off the road like he has done in every session
I think Leclerc took some kind of I saw an interview with him after the spring saying I'm just going to have to just change something wild and drastic and go for it because it can't get worse anyway it is yes he was which is bizarre considering Ferrari bought one of the biggest update packages
in Spain and they haven't obviously had the desired effect but the Clare's race was hampered I believe and didn't see it but from what I heard from his comments Oscar Piaštri up into turn three or turn four one and a two I think he chopped his nose off
and took the front wing and damaged the front wing and yeah unfortunately he had to appear and then he was just go hanging for a safety car just finished outside the points in 11th but yeah Ferrari another kind of missing weekend from them considering we're expecting so much more
they've seen to have fallen off of the pace quite a bit haven't they especially McLaren and Red Bull and Mercedes you would argue are and ask a couple of races ahead of Ferrari at the moment I agree with that did anybody else kind of burst out laughing when LeClaire got that radio message we project you to finish in the points yeah he's only done 15 laps on a set of hard tires and his laps times weren't great either at that point I felt like that was pretty optimistic
but no Scott I 100% agree with you and I think it does have something to do with the VARC but I haven't actually said this on a race review yeah said this on the midweek show that we did I know there are some listeners who only listen to our race reviews or repeat it for their benefit
but Mercedes have a genuine platform to build on now because you know they've spent two years solving the porpoising issue that has prevented them from making actual solid progress with the performance of the car because the drivers were never able to utilize any updates to it
now that they've finally solved that issue at the start of this year they've been able to sort of look at it and go oh we need to do this we need to improve that we need to change this and they've actually got building blocks now
and that's I so if we had a few false dawns with Mercedes in the past couple of years but this seems like genuine and sustainable improvement I'm glad we're all saying updates instead of upgrades because we've all been trained by summers I guess because it's so yes I saw that tweet earlier
I listened to the Pog the tech time and I was like I need to make sure I don't say upgrades from now on unless they actually improve the car I love that it's an update until it works then it's an upgrade we've got a few driver battles as we go down the grid the alpines whoo whoo whoo
do they have to share a plane home that was interesting no I won't share a plane home they're not I hate each other don't they oh good I love loss between those two and no team orders I think it's a hard situation for the team so you've got our con on the way out they're closely matched
Ocon's now got the lighter chassis and ghazly your continuing driver is trying to make moves there was no team orders and I'm not sure Ocon would have listened anyway I do think they are on the same plane home but one of them's in one A the other one's in 36 F and they need to be
after the Ocon was aggressive he was aggressive in his defense he pushed he did the I know we've already spoken about Max Verstappel and Lado Norris at turn 3 but he did the Verstappen the clear move on ghazly and that wasn't penalized he wasn't asked to give the position back
ghazly was absolutely fuming so they left that to those two to decide but yeah what it's great to see them fight though and it's just they obviously do have racing chops between them and look once again ghazly is picked up third race in a row I think fourth race in a row he's picked points positions
I don't think he's been outside the point since Monaco so a good runner form for Alpine and seem to be heading in the right direction considering the oversee I got an arrangement issues they've got hang on a minute they're heading in the right direction you mean nearly back to where they were
well yeah I mean look can I can I just I can feel Matt trumpets breathing down my neck because we haven't we haven't mentioned that Ocon lost a break duct because he was too busy abusing his car and didn't look after it properly didn't didn't stroke it didn't take it to the chin enough
and the car went snap you can use the loss of the break duct to explain a loss of pace whatever but that is your fault if you like like with Lewis Hamilton the damage floor was his fault so you still have to look after your car and even if someone runs into you you still have to look
and I'm sure it's got you get this with the carbon fiber fireworks party that is super formula on I racing but even if you get wiped out and it's not your fault you do have to kind of think like we're taking too many 50-50 chances and yeah it's technically you know it's technically the cars fault
because I was stood on the zebra crossing but you've still got hit by the car so I know I had situations where I kept getting into first lap tussles and it's because I was leaving too big a gap to the car in front because I was too scared of getting involved in in issues and I was becoming an issue
for the cars behind so you know it's still on you to look after your car yeah definitely and I think I'm on a real mention needs to go to Sergio Perez today because he also didn't look after his car as I know I've seen lots of people as we normally do and we're not going to waste too much time
on him because it's the same thing week in week out today he genuinely did pick up damage I don't know how to his side pod he had quite a glaring hole through the left hand side pod so that no doubt would have been affecting his performance because he's why he struggled to overtake a very
well performing and finishing in the form of Nico Holkomba I think it was a result of term one because when he sort of involved in that piazzatry Leclerc scuffle it might have been the instigator but it was him and Leclerc first and then piazzatry was a consequence and he was also delayed
we know Max had a slow stop and piazz also had a slow stop in fact his was even longer so that's why he ended up behind the house but for Max to you know I've had a puncture for three quarters of a lab an extra pit stop and a 10 second time penalty and still finish 15 seconds ahead of
piazz and I was thinking about this earlier and I thought how much how much money is Carlos Slim pumping into Chekhov's contract that makes it worth risking losing the constructors championship by having pires in that team it must be a considerable sum. I will just defend pires here on the spanners doesn't have to. Thanks. But yeah, I mean obviously Red Bull made two bad pit stops today so that's obviously added to the time. I don't know how long it's been.
But I think that's what happened but they did chuck the they did chuck the staff and on the soft tires at the end after that penalty and after that incident so he was about four seconds a lap or three something ridiculous per lap quicker then Pires at the end who is trying to get past Nico Holkemberg in a in a damaged car but look at the company he hadn't finished 30 to 60 seconds behind Max when they both finished. Chris do you think this Carlos Slim is being more than a thousand dollars?
I would say it's more a few zeros. Maybe two thousand then two thousand five hundred maybe two hundred maybe two hundred. Two seven fifty at a push. KP. I tell you I before we started the game by how well for Stubborn has been driving this year. Well done. And I wrote a little bit about how he's been driving compared to Pires. Just scrapped it all when I saw the last 20 laps of course. But still I mean something's going on there as well right.
Either Max for Stubborn is driving the wheels of that red bull or something has happened to Pires. I think it's both yeah and it's probably a little bit different for Pires at this point. It's pretty rare. I was disappointed. Thanks for the token defense of Pires. By the way, I appreciate it. But then you know when Stubborn's having that issue and I'm just stood there staring at the string going oh my goodness what did I just see? What just happened to the hell is empty the devils are here.
But I thought with Stubborn taking to the side to gently usher landowner's to the side so that he could park safely and then having all the tire staff and crawling back to the pits. They're having to go into the pits and have it be replaced. I was like oh wow he's you know Pires is going to be and then to see him still ahead of Pires after all of that was fairly depressing. Oh yeah. I'm out of defenses. Who else have we got going down the grid?
Oh gone then Chris. Can I just read potential comment of the week? I'm only doing it because people replied to it saying comment of the week which was Maria Klados. Chaco is the only driver who entered F1 as a legit talent and will leave as a pay driver. Wow. Chris Christian. We need to talk about Rikiyato. Is this going to be brief? But everyone's going on about this. He's going to be fired. Why is he's not delivering? He's delivering. He's been on top of Sonota. He's like well it's Liam Seed.
I don't, it's like people are not watching the races. They're just reading red or something. Yeah it was a great drive from Ricardo in ninth place. It seems Ricardo just needs someone to come out in the media and just GM up just basically put him down and say he's going to lose his seat. Jack Villeneuve a few weeks ago at Canada and then I think it was Helmut Marco who come out and just talking about Lawson replacing him after summer. Whether that will still be the case or not.
But every time he's been attacked, shall we say, in the media and he's going to lose his seat, he jeez himself up and he puts in a good performance. So yeah, to be in P9, I mean, removing Lando Norris' retirement, he still would have been finishing in tenth place. So that's good. That's really good from an RB Carver struggling at the moment. And the rumours, Williams. Is it what for Ricardo? The Rikiyato rumour currently is right. I have heard that. Oh, that's brand new.
Yeah. Okay, so that does anybody can do information. Yeah, but that could be a tactic for Williams, right? For signs. I mean, lots of things going on. It could be a tactic from Rikiyato's team as well. But I mean, it would be a kind of like a, it would be a nice fit, wouldn't it? Album Rikiyato at Williams. So one of the gossip things going around this morning is that the teams are losing patience with Carlos signs holding them off.
And so my personal suspicion is that Mercedes are still pushing for, for Stappen 2025. And I think that is still a legitimate possibility that something's been spoken about. And that's why Christian Horn is being mean and won't let Josh for Stappen play with the old Redwood Car in the Legends parade. And that's been played out in the public and his horrendous.
So I think signs still think there might be a Red Bull seat there, which is interesting there's no guarantee that if the Stappen goes, signs is the obvious drop in candidate. I don't know if they've told him that. And so yeah, if you're Williams and you're Alpine and you're Audi, you might be sitting there going, hey, I'm pretty too, you know, I've got, I've got, I've got suitors.
And frankly, you know, there is a bit of a light bulbs element to it, which is, yeah, signs pretty decent pilot, Palito. But there are other signs is out there. So he might have overplayed his hand here. Chris. Yeah, for Ricardo, I think he should be replaced by Lawson anyway. And, you know, and actually, Jasper and the live chat's got my back on this one because it seems like the kind of excuse we use for for Lance Stroll, or people use for Lance Stroll, where it's like,
he's got one good result. And we go, look, see, look the old Daniel, he's still alive. I'm driving, I'm driving for a tunnel. I cannot hear. Really bad connection here. But yeah, no, but that is a little bit. And I almost said it here a couple of weeks ago. I almost said, look at the results Sonota's getting around Ricardo. Please remember this. If Ricardo has a few good weekends and beaks in a couple of weekends, because it doesn't undo a seasoned worth of Sonota being all over it.
Yes, Scott. Yes, Sonota's still been still got the upper hand considerably over Ricardo at the moment. I mean, there's still a long way to go. From when we got 14 races left, or something like that, we didn't see what plays out there. But just touching lastly, just the last point on signs, he made a comment in the post race interviews, I think it was. And he said, I'm just happy to enjoy these podiums, because I don't know how many more I've got left. That's the biggest load of ravage. I know.
I know. I don't think he's still hanging out. I don't think he's still hanging out for a Red Bull Sea. I think what's maybe still the Williams deal is as we've discussed previously, is the Alpine offering him a good contract term. I think mostly it's not about where he ends up. I think it's him being able to have a get out and rely on his reputation of being a good top driver and being in a good position to get out after 2025.
I think that's really what he's really caring about and what he's probably stalling on. But we'll see. We'll see. This makes a great comment. Hence, Toto made no comment about the Norris for Staff and Incident. I think that's true, because he doesn't want to prejudice the driver that he's after. So I disagree, I think, science is still holding out for Red Bull. Spanners, how can you get access to this chat room while we're live streaming? Well, that's amazing.
Really, it's just an additional bonus for people who choose to support an independent podcast so that we can battle and be as high as 48 in the podcast episode, sports charts for iTunes in the US, which is what we were last week. And that is all down to the extra content and extra time we can spend because of our patrons. And they support us at patreon.com forward slash misdapex. Please consider it. It's in the show notes below. You've gone an hour and 15 minutes into our waffle.
We might be providing some value. Please encourage us to keep doing this kind of thing by going there. Patreon.com forward slash misdapex. And Chris, this is where you go. What else can they get? What are the perks? Obviously, we go back to back and fold our arms and smile. Hey, wink. Also, there is a... What else can you get, Spanners? And add free feed. So you get a link or you can link it to Spotify and then that removes the advert. So it's like a freemium.
That's what we are. We're a freemium podcast. And then the other extra thing is that we're going to get an extra content, you know, probably every other race weekend, where we just do, you know, hang out on the Patreon streaming, learn a little bit more about us. How do I get the free feed? You...well, you can either use the RSS link from your patreon.com account or you can click the link to Spotify button and the Patreon Spotify link will be there.
Which kind of feed is it? It's like human feed or... It's an RSS feed, a really simple script that goes and asks for a new podcast episode. Thanks for clarifying that, Christian. It's with a Dean of all the water. She...no. Listen, Denmark, right? We're going on to you next. Don't think you've got away with it. Because Magnuson pressed the radio button again. Hey, I think this is the first race where we've heard we saw Magnuson on screen and it wasn't forgetting a penalty.
So that's an improvement, isn't it? I'm really confused. Because so first of all, we got on Saturday evening, Alcombo, and Magnuson. They were best buddies, weren't they? They were posting photos of the Denmark vs Germany game. We're going to enjoy this together. I definitely didn't tell you to suck a certain part of myself for years ago. For years ago. How many years ago it was. And then something the next day goes around and Magnuson's saying, oh, both cars need to save.
And he's like, oh, whatever. That's what he said. Yeah, but he was driving behind the Holtenberg. And he was seeing, he wasn't saving his tires. So he wasn't trusting the message he got. And he's already out of that team. So he's driving his own braces now. He was right not to trust it. Magnuson is out of that. I'm pretty sure Magnuson is out of pass. I mean, we're all thinking it. Right. You're just saying it. Because what does he say the other day?
Like, f1 is empty to him and he doesn't care if he's saying it. No, no, no, that's not what he said. He said it's not funny. He said he said it's not funny. The motivation. He said most people in my position would have already quit. He's what he was saying. And he also said that Gene has always been honest to him. And he's got a good relationship with Gene. But you have to look at the realities, which is a PMN, right? And apparently, I kind of saw really signable. Is that right?
Or kind of bare man. Or kind of bare man. That's great news about the driver market. He said, oh, well, we're all waiting for him. And he pointed to signs. So, he's the cork in the bottle. So, that must mean Magnuson thinks that there's an option somewhere else. And the interesting thing with Magnuson is he does come with national sponsors. So, if he was to turn up at a Williams, for example. He could bring some money.
I think— I don't know about UKP – but I think Magnuson's NOTICLE opci8and is to return but I was about to say the exact same thing. You can basically tell it by the interview he gave this weekend where he was like, so if there's no ever one, what are you gonna, I'm definitely going back to sports cars. I miss sport, I was so fun, probably, and he's an excellent sports car driver where his dad was. It's a bit different when he left it, but it is. It is. It is, it is.
All right, let's move on to the podium. On an Austrian Grand Prix that added a thrilling chapter to the soap opera that is F1 2024. And you have to follow the stories and the personalities in F1 as much as the sport these days. And when I speak to the Americans, so when I speak to Meg on the ringer or Jess Matana when she comes on or when I went on the batard show, when they talk about these interpersonal relationships, they call them storylines.
They actually, they actually call them storylines. So there's a significant part of the F1 audience that is here for that rolling drama. And I'm not gonna get what kind of fan you are because there are some fans, like my son, who only really perk up when there's crashes. So he perked up a lot today. And there are people who are there for the engineering side who are pure, just petrolheads and they just love the engineering and the manufacturing competition of those cars.
And then there's people like me and Scott who were there much more for the kind of technical racing side and the sporting side of it. So if you wanna be there for the drama and the gossip and the green room, I'm not gonna get keep that. But for you, it was a fantastic chapter of Formula One today. So now it's time to give out the awards and we wanna end on the good one. So we'll start on the bad one where we judge people from our sofas. Oh no, you missed the apex.
So us with all the knowledge and power of having seen the race on Telly, we'll judge the athletes at the pinnacle of Motorsport. Christian Patterson, you still off of social media, you're still chickening out, you're still shying away. Well actually, I've just activated my Instagram. Oh, Instagram. I'm gonna give you the notes. I'm gonna give you. But maybe I should wait for an episode where I wasn't so harsh and for stop. Nope. Let's go. Let's all swarm onto Christian's Instagram.
I'll put it in, I'll put it in. My bad thing is actually I haven't written anything about the racing today because everyone's gonna pick the Maxor Stapp and stuff. But I'm gonna say the Flavia Brutor, I think for the Renault team, I don't understand how they, how it can go from bad to worse in such a high speed and no one really understands what is going on. Apparently if you're reading Joe Saywood, it's all part of a selling plane. Oh, that's why I pretty good.
That's why I can understand maybe the hiring, but it's so bad for you reputation. I don't understand it. It's branding. It's the worst branding I've ever seen. It's not gonna work in Formula One either. Did anybody else love Flavio and Yars being interviewed at the same time on Martin's Grid Walk? Wow. If all the race, that was wholesome. Two great upstanding characters. No comments from me. And we've got Scott, Scott Tuffy.
Scott Tuffy, Tuffy, who is probably the best alternative to commentary out there at the moment, adjoin his very popular watchelongs during a race weekend. There's, I heard that there's a billion people per stream watching you at the moment. It's up to two billion. Just a few zero shots. Right. But it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. If you want to come and get some alternative commentary and have a chat and, and yeah, a great community that we've got going on there.
It's different. Lots of people don't have access to F1 across the world and I'm kind of fiding a service, but it's different. And of course, my sim racing exploits as well on I racing. But my missed apex of the weekend has to go to Christian Horner with his comments about landowner's he's driving at the end. Just not just kind of Red Bull of old. Obviously we spoke about Max. We're in coming back again, the same old Max. It's also same old Red Bull.
And the Red Bull has been lauded over, and rightfully so for the last couple of years of their dominating. But this was also Christian Horner and the Red Bull pit wall evolved. So yeah, their mummy stay pixel world. And Chris Stevens at Chris on racing on Twitter and you yell at race cars as well. You go, oh no, that race cars hit the other race car in your series that you do. I talk about race cars for a living. So this coming weekend, I'm back at Hockenheim.
Second time at Hockenheim this year. For me with a different series. So yeah, this is good. This is a nice good idea. There's a job. I remember when you quit your job and said I'm going to do motorsport stuff full time and same things. I said, no, no, I was the hater. I said, no, you lose it, you can starve. That was like exactly a year ago. Oh, like a week ago, it was a year ago. Cool. Or something. And it's, yeah, dumbest decision, but best decision I ever made. Wait, always I've been there.
I've been there. At least you didn't have a global pandemic strike exactly six months later. So yeah, at Chris on racing, go and follow all his stuff there. Chris, who missed the apex for you? I'm going to give it to Fernando Alonso because I think we're, I think we're a couple of races away from him saying, oh, no, I've got a mechanical issue. Got to come in as soon as I fall out the points, which will be straight away because he won't have made it. It's give three.
We were this close to this is a GP tooltrek. Yeah. OK, and it all me. OK, I'm going to give my Miss Apex award to anyone who is complaining about what happened today and do a super aggressive defense from Max Verstappen that ended up in the lead to cars getting taken out, but who then didn't also call this all out in 2021 when it was happening again and again and again.
And just imagine if in 2021, and this is again, no fault of Max Verstappen, Max is driving to the limit of where he's allowed to drive to, fair play to him. But imagine if the stewarding in 2021, or even beyond that, had just stamped down on that kind of driving and said, no, we leave room for people. We penalize moving in the braking zone. We don't like this type of driving. Today, as exciting and dramatic as it was, we could have had a real ding dong race.
Look at Norris versus Russell last week. We could have great racing in Formula One instead of demolition Darby's. So my Miss Apex goes to the people who enabled that in 21 in the media and are suddenly now going, oh, it's a big, big problem.
I'll be even getting a clap from Christian and follow me as well at Spanner's Ready and follow the show at Miss Apex F1 and go and check out the live show that we're going to be doing by going to Miss Apex Podcast.com for slash live show soon to be detailed of a couple of American dates as well. What's the one we do now? Oh, get to end on a positive. We've got, we've got to be quick here because we've got to sneak in and stay under the hour. But Christian, let's do a positive one.
Who, who hit the Apex for you? I was going to say the 26 high rings from Williams. I was going to say the track limits with the gravel. I was going to say the hand simmer before the show, but I'm going to pick the fact that we now have real racing. I know everyone's up. Oh, we have a crash and 21 again. And everyone's got something to talk about. But if we look at it, we finally have something going on. Competition. Competition. Yeah. And it's just we've been waiting for this.
And I think he's also doing it in a fair and just charming way, basically. He's been driving that car up to the back of the stop and he's not been cheating anything. That is solid. And I love McLaren beans, but look. From day one, Stella has been, has felt like a steady hand, doesn't he? Definitely. And he showed very much today that he's capable of holding it still. Scott Stuffy Tuffy, my favorite, because we're both fellow ragdoll cat owners who hit the Apex for you today.
My hit in the Apex is the Sprint formats. No, I'm any kidding. I was going to, I went, well, did I miss you in that? I'm only kidding. Sprintly so. OK, for Sprint, it was OK. We had some. We had one, we had two corners worth of good. Two corners. It still misses the mark for me. And I think we're all quite fatigued to come the race weekend. Anyway, we've said that enough on this podcast. And unfortunately, don't go anywhere any time soon.
But hit any Apex for me, actually, can't, depending on which side of the coin you're on, I think you could probably interpret it as a Misty Apex. Is the Red Bull Picker. Because if it wasn't for them, finally, actually having a slow pit stop because they've been so faultless. Well, it proved we wouldn't. Yes, we wouldn't have had this battle today. I don't think land I would have closed up. I don't think the tire deficit was as substantial as, as most probably made.
I think it was Max has put under pressure instantly out of the pits, which he hasn't had for, well, the last three years because they've been amazing. But today, they wasn't. And the cow it turned out. Well, if you have, thank you, thank you guys. Thank you. Thanks for taking a break from excellence. But I mean, they have been so on it that you could almost rely on it.
So one point, if they'd had a 1.9 second stop and then Max hadn't have locked up and hadn't put a little flat spot on his tire, we're in the same situation as Spain, where you've got a nice seven second buffer. And you can look behind. And if they're catching up, you kind of go, all right, yeah, use your ties up to catch up. I'll see you when you close the gap to three seconds and I'll manage it from there. Are there lander had better tires though, no? Yes, he did. He knew he was banking new.
He did have new tires. Max's were only three lap tires though, three lap old tires. So it's, yeah, I feel like that wasn't, it's a different. There wasn't seven or eight seconds in those tires over the race distance left. We saw those tires fall off after a certain amount of laps of attacking. So yeah, look, it put the pressure straight on him. And yeah, amazing. Obviously, look what ended up happening and what we're all talking about now. All right.
And I guess that leaves it to me for my, no, I haven't done mine yet. Yes. Okay. Fine. I'm too excited about mine. Go on, Chris. Well, KP already mentioned Hans Zimmer. Oh, that intro, that anthem. It was so good. So awesome. He's amazing. He just fully embraced the podium, didn't he? Yeah, he's like, yes, cote me in champagne. I love it. And there was, there was good musicians all playing well. And it had been micced up properly. And you go, well, follow that silver thing. Exactly.
Oh, don't because have you seen who's singing the, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Who is it? It's some actor who sang one song in his life. Oh, well, it qualifies him for singing the anthem. I can't remember his name. Is it Damien Lewis last year? Yes. I still haven't even know he could sing it. When Leon the Lewis did it.
Anyway, no, my real, my real hit the apex is going to be Andrea Stella for his post-race comments and just fully just straight away calling out and saying we needed to call Max out on this a long time ago. That was led to today's situation. OK. And I'm going to give my hit the apex too. Oh, go on. You're going to chip in there. Christian go for it. Is it Mr. Bean? No, go on. I'll call this one. Yes. Rowan Atkinson is the actor. Yes. Who's singing the anthem? Is it?
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not. You just said it was an actor. And my guess was Mr. Bean and everyone's taking it seriously. What's going on here? Christian, why would you guess? There's a lot of British actors. Just let me do my, we're so close to the end. OK, my hit the apex award goes to actually, I was going to give it to Kevin Magnussen, but now you, I feel like you've brought shame on all of Denmark. It's Hannah Woddingham. Oh, brilliant. OK, OK. I'll give that a chance.
She's fantastic. OK. Really? OK. If you don't think Hannah Woddington is fantastic, you're not coming back over the show. I think she's a great actress, but she did like one song for charity. She did the karaoke bit in Ted Lasso. And you will, you will shut your mouth right now. OK. I forgot my, yeah, no. So Kevin Magnussen, because he was given a kind of half-truth team order and he just turned around and he said, forget that and carried on racing.
And I would love to see that called out more because a lot of the team orders are our lives and some of the teams don't handle those situations well. But I think it's a lesson for all the teams going forward. Have your, have a step in. Have your Hamilton, have your look, look, have your Vettel, have your Alonzo, have your number one driver and don't cloak and dagger it. You know, just have some hot shot kid.
And if he's good or she's good, then they use SIRP, your previous good driver and you send them to the glue factory. So my hit the apex to Kevin Magnussen. Thank you so much to my crew, Christian Pederson, Chris Steven Scott, stuffy, toughy, and me Richard Ready, the best one. Follow me at Spanner's Ready and Join us midweek for some content if we manage to get some going. But if not, we will see you on Sunday for our Silverstone Race Review around 8pm.
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