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UH1.com. That's UH1.com. This episode of Miss Me contains adult themes, very strong language and references to domestic abuse which some listeners might find upsetting. Hi, my kids are all of the life from Antigua. Look at my yard. Yeah, it's... Can you see, I really tried to show the whole yard in the shot. It's quite... I can see that. It's quite grips, isn't it? It is quite grips. That's what I said when my mom first found this house.
I was like, are we these people? But we've grown to love it. And I like to now say it's our house in Antigua, but no, we don't own this house, we just rent it. We got this. It's very, very nice. It's so nice because Antigua is so hot. I mean, of course, it's the Caribbean and it's June. And up here, because we're right on the top of a hill mountain, you can see all over the island, but there's this breeze, this cool breeze that you don't get
anywhere else. So it's been pretty beautiful. I've had a lovely time, but I've got a leave soon. I'm leaving tomorrow. And you're going to New York City. I'm going to your house, even though you're not going to be there, but I will be seeing your house in New York for the first time without you. Yeah. That's okay, isn't it? It's not weird, is it? David is meant to be coming to meet me in Rome, but now feels like he might have to stay in New York for work. So you might not be
alone in the house. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's talk about this later. Yeah, that's like a family discussion. That's what we call a spanner in the works. My God. I was like, I'll have my hot girl summer in your house, like walk around naked, play some tunes, and now your husband's going to be here. He'd be fine with that. He'd be absolutely fine with that. Also, I meant to stay in your bed. And he's obviously going to be up. No, you were going to stay in Ethel's bed because it's
got the better view. Oh, yeah. Higher up. That's true. Anyway, God, don't we sound chet set Rome and Tiga, New York? I don't usually have summers like this. I've been in Greece, obviously. I got back the day before yesterday, speaking of heat. Jesus. So me and Marnie, Ethel's not really very, she's not really that interested in history. Okay. Marnie, however, is very interested in history. So we went to Athens for the day on the way back to go and visit the Acropolis.
Bloody hell. Do you know about the Acropolis? Yeah. The building called the Path of the Non, which is like on the top of this big hill, and you have to walk all the way up it. And it was like 42 degrees or something. It was so hot. And so Marnie and I got to the Acropolis about three o'clock in the afternoon. She's really doesn't love the heat, Marnie. And she was just looking up this hill. Like, Marnie, please do you have to. Well, this is a really special place. Let's admit, like the path
non is no joke. It's like, what's it? Fifth century BC built? Yeah. This is the kind of stuff I'm really interested in. I would go through the heat for this to see something this special. Well, let me tell you something. So we got there. And she was like, I really don't want to go up that hill. And the tour guide was like, well, listen, the Acropolis museum,
which is at the bottom of the hill. And, you know, we always take like our primary school students and stuff to the museum anyway, so that they know what they're seeing before they go to the top and go and see the actual path and so on. So Marnie was relieved by this because it was, you know, an air conditioned museum as opposed to sweltering heat. Oh, so she did opt for the, for this slightly more civilized option. No, we were going to do both, but we decided we thought we'd start off
at the museum. Okay. By the way, this museum is incredible. Like, I've, they have been, they've built like a whole like to scale like a sort of reconstruction of the path and on in the museum. And you can see it from the museum. It's literally just outside the window. So there's all a huge big glass wall and you're looking at the path and on from like a to scale reconstruction of it. And what they've
done is they've put all of that. Well, okay, first of all, I have to intro this by saying revealing my stupidity because all through my life, we didn't go to school. Did not go to school, right? As evidenced by this little ditty that I'm about to regale you with. So I have often heard people refer to the path and on marbles or the Elgin marbles, right? And what did you think? What did you
think it was all about? I thought it was like a little bag of marbles. Okay. Like a precious like a precious bag of marbles, you know, like a bag of coins, like a bit like some treasures, right? And I just thought they were like these mystical, like a bag of precious stones. Yeah,
like a little mystical bag of marbles. So I'm walking around the Eucrophilus Museum. And there's like, you know, basically what this collection is in the museum is like the statues and busts of all of the Greek goddesses at Athena, Poseidon, you know, which were all like on the roof of the path and on and everything that was inside, right? So we're walking around this museum and she was like, you know, we've managed to salvage, we've got about 35 or 40% of the collection here and the
other 60% is in the British museum. And I was like, Oh, that's the path and on marbles. I didn't realize it was like literally like kilometers and kilometers worth of like marble busts, everything that you could possibly think of. Yes, but the way that this stuff was stolen is outrageous, outrageous, because Elgin marble, some Lord Elgin came over and asked if he could have some. They said no. And then the enslaved Greeks had no power, no power to stop him. And I
think the Ottoman Empire, the Ottoman army invaded. It was the Turks. The Turks were in control of the Greeks at the time. Yeah. And they said, yes, sure. To be fair to Old Elgin, he did manage to get like a decree from the Turkish king to say, yes, you can take like samples of the marbles. And he just went a little bit further than that and took 60% of them. He just went a little bit further, which is such a colonizing British attitude. Like we don't
really care. We can do everything. Britain is extraordinary as a place. So tiny, so tiny, but believed so much in its power. It's like the most entitled little girl that ever lived. Like actually, I can just do what I want to take wherever I want, because I am powerful. And actually, there's a real infantilizing of other people's cultures, because if you look into the language, their language is always like, but we can look after it better than you.
How dare you tell the Garnetian royal family that you can look after their ship better than they can? Yeah. Did you see that James A. Claster stand up where he was saying that not only did we, not only did we steal your ship, but we've also put it on display, you know who stole your ship, you know that it's us. And then we've put it on display with a plaque next to it to explain how important it was to you and your country and your people. But we'll have it instead.
We'll have it. Hi Andy Oliver. Oh, mum. Come on, come in and say hi. Mum, we're talking about the British stealing artifacts around the world. You'll love this. You'll love this. What did you say you said it's infantilizing of other people's culture? Because they say stuff like, oh, well, we would give it back, but it's you don't know how to look after it as well as we do. That's what they said to like Garnet and Tobinine about all the gold
and all this stuff. And then it turns out that the British museum has had a whole ton of shit stolen. Oh, yes. And they were like, oh, well, we've got 350 items. It's 350 items. That's quite a lot of shit. That's quite, that's quite a lot of stuff. Not looking after it. The devil's advocate, Lil, because I feel like it's important if we're debating this. Do we see the other side? No, when I was there, I was like, obviously, the marbles should be here.
Apparently there is an ongoing conversation between the British Museum and the Greeks about getting the marbles back to the Parthenon Aquapolis Museum on loan, which is so generous. That's a big effort. To have the conversation at least. Yeah. How would they get them there, probably like in shipping containers or something? How did they get them out in the first place?
I must have been quite the operation, Elgin. Do you know actually what they did? They knew that it was too heavy, right, to ship or that it would be very expensive to ship such heavy things. So they literally just chopped the fronts of the... So in the Aquapolis Museum, there are these huge, just lumps of plain marble that have had the beautiful bits chopped off of the front and shipped to the British Museum. Yeah, you see that pretty bit on the right?
You just chopped that off just slightly. Literally, with a sort of sledgehammer, just with a little chisel. I feel like they didn't even take care of it properly. Apparently loads fell in the sea. Like, could you at least look after this shit, probably. We're just going to borrow this for 10,000 years. Just borrowing. I'm not very good at getting the British public on my side, but I do think that we should give for the marbles back. It doesn't really make much sense to me.
If people come for you for this one, Elgin, I will really be quite old. They will come. They'll find a way. They'll find a way. Do you know what I think we could do? This actually got me really thinking about what we could do. Like, okay, we never went to school. We did a bit. But what we could do is we could travel the world as our school. I know that people say life is like education. Sure. But we could like go and learn ancient history,
English, English lip. We could go to tap for the bonnathan. I love the idea of it. I think that about 15 minutes in, I'd be really bored and I'd be like, can we just know what about we could go to Venice to learn about the arts? You know what? Last night I went out for dinner with this woman who runs this school called the Think Global School. It's really fascinating. She's done it. It's like three years of high school. I think it's like the last three years. So like 14, 15,
16, maybe 17. And they don't have like an academic year like we do in the UK or in the United States. They break it up into four separate terms and each term, the kids spend in a different country. Oh, good. It's not amazing. They're like doing the next one in Ecuador. They go to South Africa. They do term and career. Like they go all over the world. This is what I mean. Global school.
Global thinking. Looked really fascinating. And actually it would mean that you got told stories from the people of the countries rather than through the British lens and British games. Guys, I also, I love being British. It's just fucking outrageous. Some of the shit we can't do and continue to. That's all I'm saying. It's really bad. When people say to me sometimes, you know, when I'm like traveling on holiday
and people are like, which country from? And I always just say the bad one. No, I'm like London. The worst one. Hey, let's say something. Let's say some great things about being British and things we haven't written because I think there are beautiful things. One, I would say is cricket. And I went to the cricket here. Is the cricket world cup here at the moment? Don't talk to me about cricket, McGeeta. Well, I don't like cricket, but you love it. I don't like cricket, but she loves it.
I actually do quite love it, but I just needed to do that for the sort of me and Greg James are the only sort of like slightly mainstream cricket enthusiasts under 50 in the UK. Felix from the Maca Bees. Yeah, him too. Yeah, so you, I feel I'll quite a test match bit. Yeah, I love a test. A lava test. A lava test. Now, why don't you tell the world about your secret life as a cricket wife where you would like make sandwiches? Yeah, when I lived in Gloucestershire, my husband
played for the local cricket team. And yeah, it was my responsibility to do the teas. So every weekend, I'd make sandwiches and cakes and you know, lug them up the hill, lay them all out in the cricket clubhouse. Yeah, that was my vibe. Oh, what a life. What an adilic lifestyle. So that's quite civilised. Test cricket, isn't it? T20 is like carnival. Yeah, like grove, not in hill carnival. It's like
there's cheerleaders, there's tunes. Oh, it's this DJ. Oh my god. So every time in between every bowl and every hit, then they put the tune back up, like you're all like just listening to a jungle radio station. It's really interesting. And it'll be like, oh bad luck brother. And then it will just go to my hundred and a half and then we'll go back to the cricket. So it's like, it's always up and it's always on. It was really, there's this chef here called Tommy Banks that's
a brilliant chef. He has an amazing restaurant called the Black Swan in York. And he is here cooking with my mum because my parents are here doing a pop up in Antigua, a pop up restaurant to sort of push the culinary scene of Antigua and the Caribbean in general. And he loves cricket. And he really enjoy it. He was like, this is not like test cricket, but he it was like a wave. We all went down,
that a great time. It's thrilling. It's exciting. But I love what I love about test cricket is the sort of long drawn out nature of it. I like the like turning up with the papers and you know, sitting down and he put your little if earpiece in and listen to TMS on the which is test match special on BBC. That's what Tommy Banks was saying actually. He said that sometimes he just likes to listen to test matches on like a tiny little radio. It's not really about it being some big glamorous
visual experience. It's actually really nostalgic to hear it bit crackly. Yes, that's what you do. You sit there with the little radio and your ear and one ear and you sort of like talk and have some tea and people drinking their paints very slowly. It's not like football where it's like, let's get this down as in 90 minutes. It's like, you know, sinking sort of five pints over the over the course of an afternoon. Yeah, but cricket, can you drink while the
game's on? Because the reason people down drinks at football is because you can only drink in half time now or before or after. You can drink during the the game cricket for sure. Yeah. So it actually sets a more civilised scene rather than people downing before they get to second half, which is no one's fault. So because they banned alcohol. So yeah, so we've all been here, but then Garfield who's been here for two and a half months. So he was getting separation anxiety
with my mum. He just kept going, babe, babe, she was like, what? I was like, oh, you're just a panicky about leaving mumgaff. So it was a bit of that, but also the fact that he was going straight from Antigua to Glastonbury. Glastonbury is obviously not till this weekend. The reason he's going early is because he has a bar called Gorilla Bar, which is in the Shangri-La field. He's round for about, what do you mean? Sure. I mean, he quite likes that build up.
It's not like, oh god, I've got to go and do a week's work at Glastonbury. It's like, gotta do the build, gotta build the stage. He's sure, Garfield just likes to nice up the area. But you know, it made me realise that I had the most brilliant Glastonbury last year. You were there the year previously to sing with Olivia. So we've kind of done the last two years, respectively. But this year, I just, I did not feel that Glastonbury urge. You either have
that urge or you don't. I just didn't feel it and I decided to trust that. But it's shaping up nicely, I think. Yeah, it's going to be a great year. It's going to be a great year. Is that really, all you have to say about Glastonbury? It's going to be a great year. I would like to go to Glastonbury to go and see Charlie XCX play her. She's doing a DJ set. Oh yeah. She's actually the only thing that I care about in the world right now. I'm so, I'm such a beggy Charlie XCX fan.
You really aren't you? Really going for a night out? I'm not going to. Yes, Lily's having a brax summer. And if you know what that means, and I guess you know what that means. Now actually, our producer said, do you think that that Chennaiah three hit songs enough for a legend slot? I disagree. Wait, what are the songs? Man, I feel like a woman. Yeah, that other one I despise. I can't stand it, which is that don't impress me much.
The Brad Pitt one. The one where she talks about Brad Pitt. Can't stand that one. And then I suppose you're still the one. You're still the one that I really like Chennaiah Twain. But particularly the early stuff. Her first album. And then those music you didn't know. You know that one? No. I think she'll probably sing more than three songs. So yeah, let's hope that you know 80,000 people know more than three songs. No, the early albums as much as I do. Yeah. I don't think
we've ever been to see a band together at Glastonbury. I've seen lots of that at Glastonbury. I like going to see bands. Oh, I haven't really. I also don't do too much walking, like not too much adventuring. Don't worry, you're not missing anything in Parkfield. It's fine. I don't know, you might catch. I caught a London grammar set there once, which I thought was pretty good. Oh nice. And Will Fales, I've seen it the part. Oh, I thought it was just where all the Rolling
Stones kids were. Oh my god, I actually have a nightmare like one year I got asked by Emily Evis to stand in for MIA because she cancelled her set basically, but it hadn't been announced. So loads of people turned up expecting to see MIA and they got me and there was this one girl that was like 10 rows in that was just like, I'll never forget her face. She was just like, fuck you, you fucky bitch. I was just like, I'm just doing that. Oh, baby, it was really horrible.
That was on the park stage. That's a really hard thing to do. I remember when Florence stepped in for food fighters, but it was like a kind of glory moment. But I thought that you've got all these people waiting for food fighters. Yeah, tough. I did it once at Bestival, Toodaw Cinema Club, the lead singer got ill and so they asked me to step in and headline the whole festival. Oh my god. But I was quite smart in that. I opened the set with a Toodaw Cinema Club
cover. So I got everyone on side. Very clever. See that's very good. And I know how I feel about a cover. I wonder if Doa Leapur will do any covers. She'll bring on some friends, won't she? Maybe Elton, but he was there last year. I feel like he probably doesn't really want to go back to Glastonbury. Do you know what? I have to be honest. As much of a superstar that Doa Leapur has become and it is kind of a surprising story because I remember when Doa Leapur was like a model in
West London that my cousin Marlon was like making some beats for. So her stratospheric rise has been, you know, rather impressive to be one of the biggest pop stars in the world. But I still think she must be shitting it. It's a really different thing to headline Glastonbury. Not even to just
play to headline it. It's quite a lot. So good luck to her. In ill seriousness, you know, I really am wishing her all the best because, you know, it's a really contentious issue about how many, well, you know, what percentage of festivals take on, you know, female headliners. Yeah. And it's not a very big number. And so, you know, the world, the promoters of the world will be watching her set very closely because they want to justify their own actions of like
booking, you know, male fronted bands. And so I wish her the best just for herself and because she's a human being and I don't wish, you know, harm or ill to anybody. But also for, you know, other female performers, it will be really interesting to see how it pans out. Yeah, that's a lot on her shoulders. Well, I think we should have a breaky, boo. Let's have a break for me and my boo. I'm going to go a mainline Charlie XCX brat. And who knows what Lily will do. See you on the other side.
Welcome back. Welcome back. So can I tell you something? My mum has got a black eye at the moment. Alice, yeah. I don't know how she's done it. Actually, I didn't ask her because we've got drawn into this other conversation because, you know, one of women has a black eye like your brain goes to a certain place when you see that, right? I don't know why it just does. And I said to, you know, have people
been asking you about it? And she said, no, actually, they haven't. It's really weird. And she said, I've been out and about. I've been working. I've been having meetings. I've been having lunch. You know, she's like, I feel like if my leg was in a cast or if I had like a bandage on my arm or my finger, the first thing people would say is like, oh, what happened? Are you okay? But no one says anything about the black eye, which I think is really interesting because why would you not ask
unless you were scared of the answer? And the answer being domestic abuse. Yeah, domestic violence is existed in the way that it has for so many years because it does terrify people. I think people usually know when there's something going on in a household, but whether people do anything about it or choose to look the other way. Well, that's just the thing I feel like people do, just choose to look the other way. And I think that happens all across the board when it comes to
like the suffering of women, right? I mean, I always just say that, you know, men, especially, well, you would always hear boys like in this sort of match-o way would sort of say, you know, if anyone touched my door or anyone touched my my my sister, I'd fucking kill them. And it's like, well, how come like all the men in the world aren't dead then? Because where are all these protectors? Every single woman I know has been like harassed or sexually assaulted in some way.
And no one ever comes to defend their honor. And it just, you know, my mum is not a victim of domestic violence, but nobody else knows that. No. Well, anyone that knows her husband or her boyfriend wouldn't know that that not to be the case because he wouldn't have fly. But of course, because of Aaron, but you think it's also because of who your mum is because I remember when I was talking to Davina McCall, she was at my mum's house with me and my mum. We were talking about when she
was an addict in her twenties. And because she was white and hanging around with rich white people in Notting Hill Gate, no one ever asked her about it or asked her if it was a problem. So it was allowed to become a really, really big problem, really quickly because of the life she was surrounded by. And I think your mum is a white, affluent, powerful film producer in London. I don't think people would ever think it was that maybe. Maybe that's what's happening. But even if you were just
to say, oh, I got black eye, how did that happen? And if she went like, you know, I walked into a door, like you just say, is everything okay? Oh, like, yeah, if someone says I walked into something, that again sort of would begin questions of is everything okay? But it's the same with children being abused and teachers not asking and people not asking, even though you know something's
happening, it is something that we do. Actually, my friend Nat told me that a guy was in his wheelchair the other day and he fell over going over the zebra crossing and was on the floor for about five, 10 minutes and not one people were walking past him, not one person went to help him, not one on
Wilson High Street. That's insane. Like what the amount we would do to turn the other way. And that's not even something that incurs violence coming towards you because I do understand when someone's being mugged, people do run from that because they feel like there's violence in a weapon. But when there is absolutely no violence, where is our care and understanding and love for each other
truly? Yeah, it's very concerning. I don't know. It's a tricky one. As I told you, I've been leaning towards rastapherianism, which happens more and more every time I come back to Antigua. I know that it might sound a bit silly and a lot of people think it's based on getting high and smoking a lot of weed, which really isn't. It's a religion and it's a way of being. And it really is about protecting and loving and looking after it. They very much look after the women in the
camps and in the religion, women are, you know, adored. There is misogyny in the background. Of course, there is a bit of misogyny background, which is why my mum's not into it. But there is a lot of respect and love for women within the culture. Oh,ophobia? Ah, yes, there is homophobia. Yeah. That's not the bit that you're leaning into, though. That's not the bit that I'm leaning into. I'm sort of leaning into the bit of peace in my heart. Peace around me, love, peace and unity.
I've actually been listening to a lot of nostalgic albums while I've been out here. I've never really listened to Exodus. I mean, of course I have, but I don't think I knew I was listening to Exodus beginning to end. That is, of course, the seminal last album made by Bob Marley that changed the world. Yeah. And I'm in love with him. I'm officially in love with him. But then that led me to Triangle Quest. I've been listening to some old tribe, a bit of low-end theory. No, no, yeah.
Like Bird of Baby. And then that took me to the miseducation of Lauren Hill. Start to finish. That fucking record was just was mind-blowing, wasn't it? Absolutely mind-blowing. Her voice. Her voice, the storytelling. Like, I love that she has that back note of the classroom. And they're talking about love and what it means to them. And what a name, the miseducation of Lauren Hill. Like, yeah, that's been beautiful to remember that kind of creativity that was around us in the night when
people were just putting out albums of that caliber all over the place. Yeah. And then that took me to Mariah Carey Daydream, which was nice. Revolatory as well. Well, it was one of my favorite ones from that period was TLC, Craigs of Sexy Cool. What an album. That record. People think TLC's waterfalls, that's not it. No, red light special. I mean, like different sort of lavender maroon and pink silk baggy pajama. That video, that's what videos were good. That period of time I
remember having a miseducation of Lauren Hill. TLC, Craigs of Sexy Cool, the Mortyber. Oh, okay. Oh, don't lie. You're into it. No one else on even time. No one else on even time. Finley Quay. Maverica Stripe. That's right. Maybe like Desiree. No, maybe like Desiree of them. I'm afraid of the dark, especially when I'm in the park. And there's no one else around. Oh, I get the shit. Desiree is a beautiful woman. And I've never met her. I'm sure she's a fantastic
lady, but that woman cannot write a song. She is not a songwriter. I don't want people to look at that. I don't want people to come from me. Rages. That's just dumb. Of course, she can write a song. She might not write songs that you like, but she could you to say she can't write a song. This is a Kentucky subject for me right now. Okay. Oh, right. Got it. Okay. Don't worry. I think you're better than Desiree at writing songs. I think she is not a good lyricist. There you go.
There's definitely a bit where she rhymes toast and ghosts. Genius. I think you're talking to the girl who rhyme Tesco with Alfresco. So I never I always thought that was pretty. Keith's wrong. Okay. Read the room. Because what you do as a songwriter, you write simplicity really beautifully. You don't write, you don't simplify beauty. That makes sense. Like littlest things. That's such a beautiful song. But of course you say, especially when I was in your baggie
t-shirt. It's not littlest things. It's littlest things. Sorry. What did I call it? littlest things. What is it? littlest things. It's the same thing. littlest things. No, you were like littlest, like talking about the littlest thing. I've never talked about this song. I love it. I think it's so clever. But like even when you're saying, especially when you're in your baggie t-shirt, when I was in your baggie t-shirt and trainers,
that's just like setting the scene. You're not rhyming toast with ghost. Anyway. I really don't want to be mean to Desiree because I think she's a beautiful lady like her aura is beautiful. I think you do. I think you want to take Desiree down. And I think first he came for Shania. You know what? You're just a bit agist. I think you're just an agist. No, I thought Desiree was crap in her thirties. You know what? I have to go because I don't, I've seen the hate that comes through you and I don't
think I can take it. So I'm going to stop talking now. I'm going to stop talking now. I don't want that for you. I don't want it for you, babe. I don't want it for any of us. I will see you on Monday for Lizam Beach. I will see you on Monday. Raven. I'm so excited to talk about Raven in this hot house. You're in London. What's the weather like? I love her in Tucson. I love her in Tucson. Oh, hi. Okay.
I can't wait to go Raven. I miss Raven with you. We have my birthday party. We need to go Raven. What kind of, you know what? We'll save this for Raven. Let's save it for Raven. All right. So I don't see it. I'll see it. The Raven. I'll see you on the floor. I'll see you on the floor. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lillialin and Miki Taroleva. This is a Persephoneica production
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