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BBC Sounds Music Radio Podcasts This episode of Listen Bitch contains strong language and very adult themes, but I think we can hand it. Music Radio Podcasts Welcome to Listen Bitch, Lily Allen. How you feeling today? I am feeling great. I am feeling fresh, fine and flirty. Flirty, flirty, flirty. I'm loving a color, valentine. I don't know what to say. Does she say flirty, flirty, flirty, flirty, flirty? And then you would just see another song which actually is a little bit more than flouting.
I want to make you sweat. Sweat to your gans with number four. And if you cry, I'm gonna push it. Push it, push it, some more. La, la, la, la, la, la, we can do this all day. It's a bit rape, isn't it? And if you cry, I'm gonna push it some more. Totally fucked up and I've always thought so. But great harmonies and what a melody. Right, we're in the flirting space. I feel flirty, so does Lily. Let's go country with us. Well, do you with us? Have flirty feeling? Let's have our first question.
For this week's Listen Bitch. Hey, Lily and McEater, it's Steph here from Bristol, but I'm now living and calling from Vienna. On the topic of flirting, I had a friend that always had a routine. And we used to chronically take the piss out of him for every girl that he met. There was a very specific routine that he would always take them on to basically woo them and to flirt with them. And it was cringy AF.
And I was just wondering if either of you guys had like a flirting routine of how you would entice the men in your life. Thanks so much, love in the podcast. Bye. I know yours. Do you know mine? No. Mine's pool. Yours is get naked in a bed. Shut up. Fuck off. That is not mine. It might have been when I was like, you really young. I fuck off get naked in a bed. No. It was so successful. Where's Lil? Naked upstairs waiting for it. That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking.
I was like, no, I asked Phoebe. What did we last Phoebe? Double check for someone we know. Shut up. It just didn't happen. She was like, oh yes, swear to God that was Lily's M.O. I was like, yeah, big time. Big time. Well, actually that song I did is five o'clock in the morning. The conversation got boring. That song, when I listen to it now, I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Literally about like going upstairs at a party and then pretending to be asleep until said person comes to bed and then then like taking advantage of me being asleep. I was like, it was about one specific incident. Okay, it was not my M.O. Anyway, you keep making up these whole, all these M.O.s. You're like, yeah, just take them into a room, so every other people's boyfriends, I'm actually not really into this. I'm not in characterised as like some home record. I've never seen.
I've never seen other people's boyfriends. Don't wait. Yes you did. You absolutely did last week on Listen Bitch, and we were talking about the very famous A-lister and South of France. You were like, what's kind of your M.O. at the time, to be honest, take other people's boyfriends into a room and like, what? Put their nits on them. I meant going into the room, not the boyfriend part. That isn't your M.O. and has not been. Ever. And I know that. Okay, it's been a couple of times. Just a few.
A couple of times. Just a few. No, but I don't. I really like, I have to also just say that like, listen, I'm a recovering alcoholic and drug addict, right? It's been nearly five years, five years next week, that I have been sober. And I engaged in some pretty self-destructive and toxic behaviour when I was inactive addiction. I'm not making, why is it, maybe I am making excuses, but I sort of feel like. But you don't need to explain. I really don't need to explain, babe, because I've changed.
I've changed because I did not like the way that I was behaving, but I'm really not like an advocate of like sleeping with other people's boyfriends or husbands. And I would like for you to tell people that that is not what I'm like. That's not what she's like. That's not what she's like, because you know me. And listen, I have friends in the past that I would not leave a boyfriend in a room with. You were not one of them, okay? Okay. There we go. And I think you know who I'm talking to.
I don't know who it was. So we'll go to my, my routine, which is pool. I love playing pool, but I think it's the sexiest game to play with someone that you fancy. There's also a lot of, I mean, actually don't like this part of it, but there is a lot of like, you know, sticks and balls going into holes. There's like a guy in the back. Oh wow, it's the metaphors. There is this kind of background element of like shooting into the heart of sticks and balls and holes. Oh my god.
That is not why I find pool sexy. I just think it's nice to be engaged in something and have a little bit of a competitive energy between the two people. Like in the back to black film, the Amy Winehouse film, my favourite scene was when they played pool because they got it so right about what it's like to have one of those sexy days where you've met someone and you're playing pool and you're flirting and it's back and forth.
And I was just like, oh my god, pool is like the greatest tool to flirting. Anytime someone says, I have a date, what should I do? I say go to the pub and play pool. Do not have dinner. Do not go to the cinema where you don't speak. Go to the pub and play pool. Okay. That is a great, that is my great advice for the world. See how lucky you get. I did have a boyfriend once who was very good at wooing me through text messages.
And then when I got together with him, I went to his phone and saw that he used like verbatim, exactly the same lines on all of the other women that he was sitting on. No, because language in text, the flirty language in text is like, it's so special when it feels like it's just about you two. That was really sad. Okay, there are routines. My flirting thing is creating the environment for, it's like foresight. I do likes from forward planning.
When I decide that I want someone, I do some planning. It's very true. Forcibly. It's to create the perfect environment in which the falling in love can happen. And it's usually about presenting me in my best light. Do you mean actual light or metaphorically? No, it's like the person, you know, that we spoke about the famous person in Japan. I knew that he would be like in Japan, there would be no English speaking people around.
I knew what he was into, like culturally as I mentioned, I had the re-book classes. It's such a shame. Anyway, so I knew how to bag that one. With Sam, my ex-husband, he had been out of a relationship for a while. And I suddenly started to see him in a different light when he became single. And I remember I was playing the Pyramid stage at Glastinbury and I was like, if I like. Yeah, a helicopter. I'm going to go in it on my feet. I mean him and his mates. He's such a love-gatherer.
Get them all like, you know, side of stage passes. There's no way that he's going to see me walking out on that stage or those people screaming and not be like, every like, I'm not into this too. No, what? Yeah. Whatever. And we got together that night. We went to see Bruce Springsteen together and then we snogged. It was very sweet. I remember it was a really beautiful glass for me. We were very happy afterwards. I wasn't there.
But, um, testament to Sam, because some men actually would go, this is all too much for me. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like Pyramid stage. Yeah, but I knew him well enough to know that it would be. Be regressed. Yeah, big time. Okay. It's been one. Four-site. I'm taking that one. That's so good. Little bit of forward planning. And then it's out. Okay, let's have another question. Come on, let's give it a roll in. Hi, my key, sir. Hi, Lily. This is Susan from North Hampshire. Love you both.
Love the pod. I've got a question about flirting. Um, my key, sir, when we were in the Cook Islands in 2007, filming Shipwrecked, you flirted with my now husband outrageously. Um, and that caused a massive roul. And I was wondering if either of you have ever flirted with someone intentionally to annoy their partner. Love you, girls. Oh, okay, good. So you do still love me, okay, good? Okay. Do you know who that person is? No. Well, are they, were they both contestants on Shipwrecked?
Because I, oh my god. Well, they're still married, so the flirt was obviously not that great, but they did cause a rift. I'm sorry about that. Um, Shipwrecked was obviously filmed in like Timbuck tubes, like this island, the Cook Islands it was. Yeah. So I was, like, a couple of girls away from anything and, um, I would go and do like the Shipwrecked behind the scene special for T4 and you'd go to the, the Bear Island and be with them for like a week. So it must have occurred one of those trips.
And I can't leave I had it in me to flurks. I was such a mess around that time. So I'm, um, am I sorry? Yes. So she said, have you ever flirted with someone in front of their partner to annoy someone? To cause a rift. To cause a rift. So she must have been there. I've promised you that probably was not my intention. I may not have cared, eek. Yeah, if I'm honest, I may have just been like, he's fit and I'm leaving in three days. So I'm sorry, as a 22 year old, my intentions were somewhat a bri.
And I'm happy the unmarried. Oh my god. I've definitely flirted with other people to make a part, my partner jealous. And to cause a rift between us. Really? Have you done that? Yeah. I would never do that. I would be too scared. So there's a lot about me in a relationship, really? I mean, not like, not like, you know, seriously, but like, we're all the more of them up a bit, you know? Yeah, just like, look, what you're missing. Don't be a dick. Actually, yes, no, I've done that.
Yes, I've done that. Like, entertaining and wonderful, everyone finds me. Get to know. Yeah. Of course. All right, Lill, let's take me out of my shame zone. Shame spiral. Bad mistakes from the past. Why don't you ask for the next question? Hi, Lillie and the Keeta. It's Emma here in the wire forest. My question to you, I mean, Lillie, you're married now. Do you still flirt now, you're married? And, Keeta, if you're in relationship, you still flirt. I've been married for 20 years and still flirt.
She does flirt. That is looking her own pussy. It's flirty. She knows the theme. I'm not in a relationship. And I find that when I am, God, I guess I just feel so unsafe in my relationships that, no, I try not to do that. Do you still flirt with other people, even though you're married? Yes, but I have permission to flirt. So, it doesn't feel like I'm doing a disservice to my husband. And he has permission to flirt too. I feel pretty... I think we're human beings.
And if we start saying don't flirt, I don't know. I think maybe a good bit of healthy flirting is good for a relationship. Go out, get a little bit of a hit. Because so much of it is about ego and validation. It's not about I want to have sex with you and I want to start a new relationship with you. It's like a little hit. And you go back to your real lover. Still got it. Still got it. You just need to know you still got it. Wait, it doesn't seem mean flirting with your partner, though.
Oh, I thought she met with others. Oh, I think she means like do you still flirt with your partner, even though you've been with him for a long time? Oh, oh my god, I love that. Well, I would say that the next time I'm in a relationship, I will make space and time for us to go play pool often. So that would be our date night and our time to really flirt. But I think you've got to keep it flirty for sure. My parents got for the mom still flirt with each other a little bit and I leave the room.
Ooh, airing in my mom's flirt all the time. That just means our parents are happy. That's good. How about you and David? No, we flirt. We flirt. We send like flirty messages. That's sexy. Yeah, that's nice to know. So you've married fucking ages now, haven't you? Three years? Four years, I think, coming up. Yeah, things are good, actually, with me and my husband at the moment. We're pretty open and flirty and things are pretty good.
And I suppose also you have something, you have a relationship that not all people will have, which is, you know, you're away from each other quite a lot, working. David's away filming quite a lot. I suppose all that kind of flirtiness through textiness, that was important to keep yourselves connected in that way.
Because when you don't see your partner a lot, or all the time, like a lot of other relationships, I don't know, actually, if it's good, I feel like absence makes the heart grow fonder. And sometimes I feel like, you know, because we do FaceTime a lot. And sometimes it feels like it gets a little bit too much. And then we'll have like a couple of days, a few days, not talking at all. And it's great when we get back on the phone with this. Re-invigorates it. Yes, exactly.
Nice. But, you know, if anything like, like, important comes up, or I'm, I need some advice on something, then, yeah, you know, he's the first person, like, cool. He's my partner, you know. Isn't he your second? Don't you call me first? Yes, I call you first. So I'm second person, I call. That's all right. Thank you. Next question, please. Hi there. My name's Matt. I'm calling from Melbourne, Australia.
And my question is, do you prefer someone who is too heavy-handed with their flirting and very direct? Or, Loki, and a bit more shifty about it. I'm more of a heavy-handed myself, and I would love to know what you think. Thanks. Right. It's time to talk about this. Oh my God. I had no idea. I have to tell you about David, first of all. Okay. So we went on, like, of course, at a couple of dates, maybe? Yeah. We'd been out for dinner a couple of times.
And then the third time I went out with him, we went to the theatre to go and see the Lehman Trilogy. And it's very long, like, play. Yeah, it's in three parts. There's two intervals. And I think it was in the first, you know, bit of the play, the first guard. I just, like, grabbed my hand and started, like, stroking it, like, almost like, oh my God. Fucking it with his hand or something. I was just, it was the most intense thing. I was like, very English. Like, oh my goodness.
This person likes me. They want to be intimate with me. And then he was like whispered in my ear, like, just as he could, you know, I guess it was, like, obvious. The first third was coming to a sort of crescendo. He was like, should we just get out of here? Oh my God. David. Oh my God. Don't talk to me about whispering the ear. It was really hard to get tickets to this play as well. And, yeah, and then we left. And the rest was history. Oh, right. Yeah. I remember your courtship.
It was very intense. I hadn't really had, like, that sort of, like, it went sort of very British, is it? Like, on the third day, just, like, literally just grabbed my hand and started, like, stroking me. And it was in an environment that it was like, I couldn't, like, say anything else. Like, oh, yeah, that's fucking hot. There was a hole. Oh, yeah. Well, that leads me into a bullshit British man. Like, I've mentally been asked girls out.
Like, most girls I know, dating or sleeping with someone at the moment, they made the first move. They text first. They asked the guy out. It's like, come the fuck on. I feel like there is far too much reserve in the land of flirting in our great old town. Like, let's buck up a bit, shall we? Please, heavy-handed flirting, direct focus. Know what you want. Ask for what you want. Don't be a coward. Be brave. Be sexy. Ask people out. I really think it would change our, change the dynamics.
Change the dynamics of the culture. And I think it's sexy as hell. And I don't want to date Americans, so come on English people. Come on, why don't you want to date Americans? Don't really fancy the accent. Oh, what am I talking about? Well, as part from when, as I said, I like when they say Mekida. But I don't really fancy, when I was in New York, I was like, oh, right! Let's do, like, new vibes. And I just didn't fancy anyone in the entirety of New York in Ford Interesting.
And it wasn't about face or it was more like a walk. Or I just love the way English boys chat. I don't like banter. But I like you, right? Yeah. Yeah. Don't look nice. Don't look nice. Don't look nice. No, look to me and be on the bike. And I'm like, let's get married. You're right. Oh, stop it. Like, you just, it's just different. Look at me. I'm like, blushing. And Lily said it. I like you. I like you. I like you. I knew there was something about you.
I feel like I'm being hit on potential C, which is a fun. I got ris. I got ris. Okay. I'm actually washing. Let's go on. I think it's time for a break. Oh, I agree. I'm done flirting with you. Oh, but I love him. About that. I'll come with you. Safe. Safe. You got any to look at me? I'm sorry. Ain't holding any. Jury can say many things on your wedding day. As a wedding band, it can say, this is a forever symbol of our forever love.
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Listen Bitch. Come on, let another question. Please. Hi, my name is Kelly. I'm from Essex. My husband is in a local band and he's quite a good looking guy. So he gets quite a few ladies that flirt with him. I do trust him, but he's still quite hard. But my question is for you.
If you have ever been with anybody who has a lot of ladies or men flirt with them and how did you navigate that or the other way around where you were with a partner who didn't like people flirting with you and was quite jealous, I'd just like to know. Thanks, bye. I've had a bit of both. I've had a bit of both. I actually went out with someone on and off for about six years who was extremely handsome. He was beautiful, isn't he? I don't know who's on my... OK, maybe not that beautiful for you.
Yes, you do. I've been out with him for six years. Who are you talking about? Luke. Oh my god. Kelly Lily can't recall, but he really was very beautiful. He would get a lot of attention from other people. And how did it make me feel validated often? My boyfriend's very attractive. Lots of girls want to get with him. OK, that's good. That's really good.
But also, I became obsessed actually in a very weird way with how beautiful he was and he became a sort of prize that I had to keep hold of rather than a person I was having an intimate, proper sharing all your shit with relationship. So it kind of became a really difficult factor in our relationship, his face. I'm not even joking. For a while, it became the only reason I wanted him and it was destructive. So beauty can be quite difficult. I got quite gallant about it. I have to be honest.
Mine. Mine beautiful thing. And it stopped us having an actual relationship. That's why I never really go for people that are like classically good looking. That's why all my boyfriend is so ugly. So when you want to keep them feeling a little bit like they're like lucky, they're happy. See, no, I can't do that because I'd rather feel like I was lucky. No. It could never be me. I don't think I'm like a jealous person. The only thing I might be jealous of or wary of is past partners.
Not fresh me, but like something else that existed before me. Because obviously I know that I'm the best thing out there. But if they'd had something to compare me to that they didn't enjoy it. Like, oh yeah, I don't know. I'm so much more fearful of fresh meat than the past. The past is like, that's done. Now the new great moments are happening with me. But then, oh God, there might be great new moments all over the place. No, you know what?
I actually like, not possessive over partners like that. I sort of feel like if you want to do that, then who am I to stop you? It's like, if that's how they want to grow. If they think that's going to be growth for them, then I wouldn't want to hold them back. Like, yeah, but you've got to remember what it's like when you're in love with someone and they're pulling away from you. Remember what that feels like?
Yeah. But I think I do agree with you now after doing a lot of therapy and being through a lot of shit in the last five years. I feel like I would only, like I've even had it with crushes recently where I'm like, I'm only interested in someone if they're like mad interested in me. If someone's not, what's the fucking point? But in my 20s, I'd be like, you were interested in me. Now you're not. I'm going to spend the next five years getting back interested in me. And you lose a lot of time.
Yeah, you do do that. I did that a lot. I was like best friends with some boy that I sort of had a thing with for a month, but I loved him so much. And then he went away to Paris and he came back and he didn't love me anymore. And I spent five years just trying to make him love me again to the point where I was like best friends with his sister. Why would you think? I like Freddie and Larritz. So we're in my life. Like that was all because I was like in love with lovely Nick.
He was so beautiful and he's just a lovely friend of mine now. But I was so focused on getting that love back, that attention back and it was such a waste of time. Yeah. If you love him, you let him go, babe. That's right. This way. All right, next question please. This is actually getting quite deep. Hi, both. I hope you're both okay. Absolutely love the podcast. I feel like it takes me back to being 22 in all my chaos, but with Rose Dinterglass on. So question on flirting.
I work in a very male orientated industry. Currently sounding cute to get back into Silverstone circuit to derig the Grand Prix. So work with about 60 men. Flirting. I do a lot of it, lots of banter, lots of innuendo in my environment, but also consider myself quite a feminist. I'm just wondering if you feel like flirting to kind of get what you want is a little bit anti-feminist or is it us using our power to manipulate the somewhat questionable intelligence of men? Okay, I love you guys.
Bye. I do whatever the fuck we want when it comes to flirting. We're doing it for gain or we're doing it for enjoyment. I don't know. Also, I feel like people sometimes conflate just like female confidence with flirting. Yes. I don't necessarily think that like being loud or opinionated in the workplace and like communicating with people of the opposite gender or not even the opposite gender, but you know, it is necessarily flirting. I think that flirting has like intent behind it.
Yes. And I feel like confidence is just confidence, but I think other people can perceive your confidence as flirting. I feel like people do that with me quite a lot. I'm actually not flirting. I'm just being myself. Yes. Not my fault for everyone. It's all my fault that I'm attracting men like flies, but I'm just being myself. By the way, I am also being sarcastic because I know that these things get like regurgitated and everyone just thinks I'm a horrible person. I think it's okay.
No, I think it's okay. You are actually like a multidimensional person. It's okay to be all of these things and you are and we all are. And as I said, everyone has these thoughts. You just say them. Annie Mac told me something interesting about female confidence. She said she didn't into you and she was 26 and said, you know, I'm a confident person. And for the next 15 years, every interview she ever did, they'd be like, so you've said that you're a confident person. Like you like that was it.
You like yourself. Explain that with like complete, like just could you explain that? I think it makes people uncomfortable. Men and women, when a woman is confident, likes herself, has things to say. Yeah, I think that was like the main adjective used for me apart from like pint-sized potty mouth pop star was like outspoken. A classic. It's like I'm not outspoken and just speaking. What the hell is she doing? She's speaking. Oh, this is young woman with confidence sharing her thoughts.
That's dare to. That's dare to be did. That's dare to be did to. It's put her in a fucking box. But I love, I can also just say I love flirting. I think flirting is like a truly joyful moment of connection. And like, you know when people talk about a spark, you know, a good flirt is like a spark between two people who've just met or are interested in each other just kind of crystallizing and like growing and just glowing and oh god, there's just, there's nothing better.
It's not great when you're like flirting with someone for the first, you don't even realise you're intentionally flirting and then you're just like, oh my god. We're flirting with each other. And you're flirting back. Is this on? Oh, that's the moment. Is this on? Yeah. Is this on? I think this is on. I think half of our 20s when you're running around, you are, that's something that you're sort of like hoping to find often. That moment where you're like, is this on?
Oh, it is. Okay. And I just go up to their bedroom, take away my clothes off and wait for them. Potentive, it's sleep. Is that what he did to my producer? Is that how you got my producer? I actually did do that to my producer. Oh my god. But he didn't take advantage of me. He didn't penetrate me. He just wanked on the small of my back. Oh, well, I didn't know you were going to have that. I didn't know was you were going to have that, did you? That's been between us for so long.
Now, we didn't even go to like third layer of friendship group, just miss me. All right, that was real so known that he is a little on the nose. Miss me. Miss me? Hey. Do you miss this shit? Okay. Let's all just calm down. Okay. Let's have another question. Well, it's in the small of my back. He did wank in the small of your back. Let's have the last question because I'm all hot. I'm a little hot. Hi, Lily McEater. Hopefully both very, very well. Love the podcast. Absolutely stunning.
Ben here, located in Bow. My question to you is when does flirting go too far? When does it get to the point that you've gone, oh god, actually, is this making things quite uncomfortable for people around me? When I say that, I'm referring to maybe when you're flirting with friends or friends or friends and it suddenly gets to the point you're like, oh, is this a bit too sexual now? Have I taken this too far? Interesting to see who your thoughts are.
Yeah. I mean, I was always really, I remember there was a friend of ours and she had a boyfriend that was very handsome and I remember making sure I was very careful every time I spoke to him. I was really like, not too long eye contact. Don't look at him. Just don't look at him. Because I did, you know, I did do something terrible when I was younger and started dating someone a few weeks after they broke up with my friend. And so I think I was always very after that.
I always felt like I just needed to be very careful because I didn't want to move like that. You know what I'm saying? You need to be respectful. Also I have a lot of friends who have really beautiful, fit boy friends and I just love that they've got these lovely, beautiful men. But I would, you know, that's where I draw the line. Gosh, you're so great. Why are you going to save the total off of me? What do I think there's like when flirting goes too far? Yeah. As a spectator, yes.
Like, it's just when people are just being a bit gross. It's like, well, we get it. You fancy each other. Oh, like snogging in the pub and stuff. No, not so much that. More just like, there are certain people that I've seen that, yeah, just just like, all right, we get it. Drop it. Well, when I, when I talked to some friends about what they've noticed in your flirting, something that came up often was a laser, laser focused and a shift in energy.
So because I was like, doesn't it really get quite giggly? And they were like, no, it's more like laser focused shift in energy. And I sort of know, like if we're in a room and there's like six of us and there was so many fancy, I'd know because your focus would be very much on them and not at all on anything else. You do get quite laser about it. But maybe that's just a bit of ADHD. I just can't think of anything better than else. I'm bad to hear. I need a validation. Hello. Is that Brigade?
Is that Brigade? Um, yeah. I feel like I don't flirt. I'm basing this mainly on Westbourne Studios in our 20s, yes. Is it flirt with them? I heard anyone around the pool table, around the bar. I feel like that was a really flirty time for you and I was very much into it. You were suddenly quite free and sexy. I think you're confusing flirting with like, knowing who had the drugs. That's two very different things. Wow, flirting, you dangerous bitch. So thank you, world.
It was lovely to talk about flirting. I feel like I've never revealed more about myself, myself and actually really enjoy being hit on by you, little thanks. One more time. You're right, yeah. It's been real nice getting to know you, like. Maybe we could do this again sometime like next week, yeah? Yes, please. I'll see you next Wednesday, yeah. I'll see you next Wednesday, baby. Yeah, that was nice. Or is it Thursday? It's Thursday. Yeah, I'll see you next Thursday, yeah.
Anyway, stop dealing dallying around the fact that it's, you know, it's your turn for a listen bitch theme and I don't want you to feel this like immense pressure. I want you to have fun with this. Have fun. What do you actually want to talk to the world about? That's what you've got to think about. What do I want to talk to the world about? The next week's subject is Lily Allen. Lily Allen. We will.
We'll get there in about six weeks and we're really running out of ideas because we're like Lily Allen. Actually, we, no, do you know what? Flossy from the team said that someone sent in an idea. Should we see if it's all right? Let's hear it. Let's judge. All right, let's judge it. What is it? Hi, Lily and Makita. It's Ellen in Glasgow here. I love in the show, love the podcast. I would like to suggest a topic for discussion. I know you've got a list, but hopefully you're open to suggestions.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on beauty in the last week's episode when you were talking about revenge. It really struck me when Lily was talking about the beautiful older person and their boyfriend obviously down to the who that is. We'll never find out. But you refer to the fact that there was no way anything would happen because she was way more beautiful than you and you were puffing at the time and I just thought, come on.
As if it's on face of value, sex appeal and chemistry has got so much more to do with it than the sort of beauty, but from the chat on your podcast, I feel like both of you understand the way the industry are in. There's a lot of focus on a beauty stereotype and I like to think we're moving away from
it now. I'm a woman of the same generation as you and yeah, it feels like there's hopefully a bit of a shift away from beauty cliches, but when I listen to you speak, I feel like you're a very, you're kind of stuck in them. So I'm interested to hear your thoughts on that. Oh, maybe we are a bit stuck in them, Lil. Shall we take this and delve further? Okay, we will take it, but I will also just expand.
A thing is, I guess like in the beginning of my career and I've been like a public figure since I was 20 or whatever and people referred to my lack of beauty quite a lot and I was referred to, you know, being like a normal girl next door, what has revealed itself is that I was just looking at the wrong end of my body. Face defeat. Right, we will take it down, Ellen. Look how much she's perked up. Let's do that then.
I'm not sure if I can make it, that's really nice of you, because you're not getting her shit together. Thank you. I did have some backup, so I just don't, I'm not sure that they're great, but I think beauty is really good, so we'll take it. We'll take it. And you need to have more confidence in your listen-bitch themes, okay? They're going to be great. Everything you do is great. I'm more upset that one of our listeners thinks that we're like superficial in that sense.
I know that's why we got to do this because you got to be joking and I totally understand what you're saying about being told about where you look from a very young age by pressing stuff. Let's do this. We will see you for next week's Listen-bitch. The theme is from Ellen. Beauty. Beauty. Please send your question to 08,000. 08,030, 40, 90. That's right. Keep them succinct, keep them short and sweet, but with a little bit of story, but with the big question at the end, okay?
I can't wait to hear what we'll discuss. About beauty, I promise you, we're not superficial bitches. We've been through things. We know shit. Keep it rooty, talk about beauty. All right, I gots to go. She's arriving. Oh, shut up. Keep it rooty, talk about beauty, let's get rooty. That's very good. All right, go get an apple for me, have fun. Love you. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lillialin and Miki Taroleva. This is a Persephoneica production for BBC Sounds.
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