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I'm back from holiday, so I'm quite happy to be home. But missing my new home, which is your home. Yes, New York. Tell me how that went. Which part? Cause there's just so many thoughts. Well, first of all, just tell me how brilliant and tasteful and lovely I am and generous for letting you stay in my house while I wasn't there. And how lovely it was and just to be attention to detail that you were just overwhelmed by. That's a good place to start. Let's over to you.
These are all the thoughts I've been having. Thank you for giving me a sort of grid to work with. You generously with your generous open heart said that me and cousin Sasha could stay there. And I really didn't think that was a good idea. I assumed I'd be a lot happier in a hotel. No way. Cause not only is your house nicer than a hotel. It was beautiful to be in a family home in a city like New York. It makes you feel like you're there in a really different way. And then it's this kind of house.
It's just like a beautiful place for everything. Me and Sasha, I don't think there's anything you could say. I wonder where Blahblah isn't it? Wouldn't be in its perfect place. I took a few pictures of the stationary cupboard. That's okay. Cause I have a label maker and I have not done what you've done with yours. It's just that, do you know what it is? It's like the drawers in drawers.
Even in the incredible kitchen which has the most amazing chandelier which I've taken so many pictures of as well. But then we went to get some kitchen foil. And it was like foil or bags of three different sizes. And it was like court size. Sandwich size. Sandwich size. I took a few sandwich size bags home with me. And then there was even a thing to cut it. If you put it like, I know this doesn't sound that good. But it was really beautiful details all throughout.
And then I said in your bed, you know, your marital bed. Yeah, I guess I tell me how comfortable that fucking bed is. Is that outrageous isn't it? Well, I guess this is probably like having a big beautiful house or hopefully not. But like, got quite used to it after up to two days. This is just how I see it. My sleeping bed that feels like this came home. Oh, the bed in my bed last night. I was like, oh, that's the difference. I mean, 300 grams.
I can't tell you that bed is possibly like the most extravagant expense. I mean, it grotesque how much money it costs. Do you mean the mattress, not the headboard? Does the mattress and then there's a mattress topper that goes with it? I was like, you know, I really had to like convince David that it was worth it. And he was not convinced. But then we've been sleeping in it for nearly a couple of years now. And he's got a place in Atlanta.
And he went and bought himself a really, another really fancy bed. And told me why when he got here, that actually he's just ordered another one of the ones that we've got in New York. And I was like, wow, okay. So he's been princessed in the peed. He can't stay on any on any on any. I literally cannot. Yeah. And even when we were talking the other day, he was like, how did you find my bed, Makina? I was like, it was great. And then this is also a revelation.
Sorry for boring people, but this is a big house. Carpits in the bathroom. Now there is actually a frame picture on the side. A blow up of a Twitter. Now I hate saying this, but now known as X. And it said, even David Harbour couldn't make me have carpets in my bathroom. Yeah. Right. Well, you're a fucking idiot. Because it's so luxurious. And it makes everything feel regal.
But can I just, I just need to just because I do think that like carpet in a bathroom where there is a toilet and a shower is a different thing, okay. Let's just be specific. There is no toilet in that bathroom. There is like a tile room to the side that homes the toilet and the shower. So let's hygiene is not really an issue. You get out of the bath. There's a bath mat before you tread your water all the way through the carpet. You dry yourself off. So it's not as, as unhygienic as it sounds.
Let me honest that room that we're discussing that's crafted. It's more of an extension of the womb of the bedroom. And it has a bath and a reading area. I mean, it's just ridiculous. It's so nice. I read my book on that picture one night. It made me feel like I was looking at the life you've built for yourself from the inside out, though. And I think that's quite good that you weren't there. So I could be more nosy. But also, so I could really look at what you've built.
Without the kind of distraction of you guys in it, it was sort of like this is your world. Yeah, without me going, and this is my bed. And this is my bed. And this is my bed. And literally I was just like, oh, I mean, every covered's amazing. Then I did open the cupboard to the left and realised it was David sort of tech clothes layer. Yeah. He's got a little man cave. That's very sweet of you. It's about the quarter of the size of mine. I see he's given that.
But I feel like when I speak to you on FaceTime now, I will kind of know where you are more. Especially with the neighbourhood that you live in in Brooklyn is well, in the first days, we were like, this is so nice. There's like four good places to get juice on your corner. I prefer the place on the right. Really good menu. It's very Italian, my area, where I live. Yeah, yeah. I had some really good, we get to meet. There's lots of different Italian places.
Anyway, you know what, we should probably move on from telling our listeners just how great my life is. What? Not sure how interesting everyone finds it. All right, well, I hadn't been to New York for 14 years. So what is that? 2010? Yes. And I didn't really think about it, the fact that it of course has changed monumentally as a city since I was last there. But simple things that have happened all around the world have kind of like homogenised everything.
I remember having to get a token to get on the subway when I was last in New York. And Sasha was like, right, let's get on the subway. And I was like, oh God, all right, I'll get that token thing. And I was like, of course not. You can just pay on your phone. You can just tap your phone like everywhere else in the world. I'm just loving the idea of you getting off and playing and being like, where are all the horse and carts? No, but I was like, I didn't even do call you, didn't I?
And I was like, do you have a car company I call you? Of course, they have Uber. It's a movie. Okay. I would take this. So I feel like everything's easier now because a lot of everything is the same. Whoever universal language of phone. An apple. Yeah. Sad, isn't it? I was actually reading a book written by Mutual Family Friend of ours, Rose Boyd, which is called Naked Portrait, I think. And it's she's the daughter of Lucien Freud.
And actually there was a passage in it about her traveling to New York. I guess in the late 70s. And it was interesting to me because she was talking about turning up in New York and not really knowing anybody. And the hotel that she was staying at, she'd come back and there'd be messages from people. So like family friends that knew that she was in town that called to check in on her.
And she had a few numbers in her address book of people that, you know, acquaintances, people that she never met before, that she'd call up and she'd say, hello, I'm Rose. I'm so and so's daughter and I'm in New York. And so and so that other person would be like, let's meet at this bar at this time. And I was just like, imagine living in a fucking time where like, you'd put yourself out like that. You know what I mean? We're like supposed, we have one toe in that past.
I remember traveling like that. So when I first came to New York, I went to see our friend Cheyenne, who I had a summer with in Spain with my cousins. And when I left, I was so devastated to leave Cheyenne and she would write me letters every sort of four months and they were the most exciting thing to arrive ever. I know what you mean. But it is funny how just the phones have just completely changed everything like that.
Like imagine, I don't know, I can't imagine like Ethel going somewhere, you know, in a few years time and calling up like some friend of yours and being like, hi, I'm Makita's Goddaughter and that person being like, oh my God, you're in town. Let's let me take you out for dinner. Just like not going to happen in this day and age. I think that the phones has just filled up all of our space. Like there's no spare time anymore.
And I feel like in those days, there was all of this like time to space to fill. Space to fill. And so you would give some of that space to people. You'd ask people for directions and a relationship would start. Like it's just, yeah, there's just not much opportunity for chance happenings, you know? Like, yes. And I feel like we are worse off as a result. I'm sorry, I do. Yeah, what I mean, that's what I mean when I left, I felt like I'd done a lot of, also, Sashi has never been to America.
I didn't know that. And so she wanted to do things that I would have pooed before, because I would have thought of them as too touristy and embarrassing enough. And I was just so like, go with the flow. I mean, New York, whatever she wants to do and we went to Moumurve, never been to the museum of modern art. Lovely museum. Wow, that's what I want my flat to look like. Like, I'm holding it like that. With the same, with the same, with the same, with the whole. Eves Klein, I'm not on the wall.
Yeah, it was great. I was very curious about the weed legalisation, because I've been to Texas this year as well. And it's not been decriminalised there. Right. But it is, I think it's 23 states now out of what? 52, how many states are there in America? I can tell you, there are 50 states in America. Oh, OK. Well, 50 states in the United States of America. I was interested because it feels like very austere places. A weed has been legalised. Germany. For God's sake. Good. South Africa.
But it's just such a strange thing, because here, if you smell weed in London, a big progressive city, you'd be like, what sort of criminal is walking past? And now in New York, people are sitting in Soho outside. We were to a very nice restaurant called San Ambrose. And people were just smoking spliff. And I was like, what, it's so civilised. Civilised weed smoking. Whereas here, we're happy to let people drink a massive pint at 8.15am and no one says anything.
It just made me realise about the disparity on what drugs we class as what and why. And who told us that in the first place? All right. Well, anyway, thank you, New York. And hey, thank you, host. Thank you for hosting me, and Sashi so nicely, truly. Because we sat on that stoop every night and just like, had a few drinks and sat in the sun and just had a very different experience. All because of you, all because of you, and your generous big heart. We haven't talked about Glastonbury, have we?
Yeah, we haven't, have we? Did you watch any of it on the Delivisional? I only saw Cesar actually, but only because I was flying. Everyone said that no one turned up for Cesar. I know, but that was such, it's such bollocks. Like, people are just such hating bastards. It's a huge, huge, fucking crowd. And you know what, I actually, sorry, I will talk about this. I think because she's a black female headliner, the first story they immediately went to was it was a failure. No one cares.
So that fuck off, that just wasn't the truth. She did a bloody brilliant set. And what was very interesting was to see white middle class England be so in love with her. That, the audience was very like young and white and a lot of girls. A lot of teenagers that would have maybe been into boy bands when we were all 14. And it was nice to see how much she's crossed over.
I thought Cesar did a splendid job and those in factual, damaging press reports are dangerous because they're just trying to block more of what she's about being in such a big place. She threatens the status quo. Absolutely, I actually can't believe that's the first thing they said. She did so brilliantly, it's so depressing. It's like history. Who's telling the history? Who's telling the stories? Well, actually went down.
I'd rather ask some fucking ravers that were at Glastonbury what really popped off in the Daily Mail. Or some, some weirder on Twitter. I don't believe you, Daily Mail, because you don't know how to rave. You don't know how to party. So who, why am I listening to you? She talked about the Euros. I actually know absolutely nothing except for... You didn't even watch it, did you? I'm not watching it. I don't know the name of one player except for Harry Kane.
And I spoke to my daughter Ethel, like the day before yesterday, and she said... Basically, she says, on a sort of holiday with her dad and their stepmom and their little brother. And they were staying in one hotel for two days, but then they had to check out of that hotel and go to another hotel because it had the football on. Oh, wow Sam, okay. So, I'm serious. So unlike my ex-husband to plan his whole life around football. Anyways, so I called her and I said, how did you watch the football?
She was like, yeah, did they win? She said, yeah. You didn't deserve it though. So that's all I know is that we won, but we didn't deserve it. I'd say a little harsh for a metal. You think? You know, it's been going okay. It's been a bit drawy. Oh, I think there was one draw. And then we've been winning, but just like not possibly... Everyone was waiting for kind of a moment. The pizzazz is not so... It's not been goalie enough, has it? It's a spit drawy and not goalie. Look at us.
Watch out, smash it. Watch out John Watson. Jesus, I think he was a commentator like 50 years ago. It's scary, Lily. It's just a scary, Lily. But it hasn't been going well. It's making me feel really bad for Scarra Southgate, because I heard someone explain it really well the other day. They said, thing is, he's a good manager. It's sort of like looking after the boys and their kind of minds and their hearts.
But he's not a good manager when it comes to what they're doing on the field physically. I've literally zoned out. I've literally switched off. I could talk about football for hours. Okay, I've wanted to do. But do another podcast with one of your friends that gives a shit. Oh my god, you know what, in this, I think you're the minority. I believe the country might care. I'm sure I am. I'm quite used to that.
I seem to remember the last time that I actually was in to international football or at least England playing international football was when Garas Southgate lost it. Was it actually for us? Yeah, I remember that was the joke at the time. It was like, what's the quickest way out of the euros by a Southgate? Oh my god, still as relevant as ever. No, I'm not, no, I'm not here to badmouth Garas Southgate. I think he's done a beautiful job with these boys, but they have not been winning.
Yes, so therefore it's not a beautiful job. There's another point. You can't positivity a you way out of this one. Like is it? But they all really care about each other. They all feel very thin as a team. But it's just not translating. Sunday, the Sunday match, that was great football. Well, wasn't it just one minute of great football? In fact, I think we can rephrase that and be like, there was one minute of Sunday where some great football was played. Correct. But you know what we're like?
That's all we needed. We're like, we're kings. Don't get me wrong. If we get to the finals, like I'll be there with my English out on pretending that I've been there all the way. Singing Vindaloo. Yeah, you know me. No, no, no, no. I don't think we've ever done that. After the glory of the belligan goal, he's now, you wait for a look into it, but he's now maybe going to be suspended for grabbing his, I think thrusting his crotch in the face of the Slovakian team.
And I didn't really know there were guidelines on the celebration dance, but you're saying yellow card for shirt off. Yeah. Right. So what's going to happen, ban? Suspension, maybe, or a fine, but it's just a bit annoying because he's playing really well. And also, he should be able to enjoy this day? Well, by grabbing his crotch. No, I mean, just today he should just be someone who got us to the quarters and things are good. Well, you don't think that he should be punished for his actions?
Oh my god, not within celebration. I don't think he meant anything offensive. He was probably just caught up in the moment. Where have I heard that I was only having a laugh before? Oh, don't put me in that camp. Don't put me with them, guys. But a belligan actually tweeted a response. He said it's it's it's it's it's an inside joke gesture towards some close friends who are at the game. Nothing but respect for how that's the vacuum team played tonight. Nice save.
All right, I'll see you at the I'll see at the pub for the rest of the year as you obviously on the edge of your fucking state. Yeah, literally quite literally. Should we take a break? Should we take a break? Yeah, let's make a promise. Such a football scrooge. Do you know I put I put sports on our list of shit to talk about every week and every week I think maybe this is the week and this still is not the week. I'm not smought to do one day. How about Wimbledon? Can I talk about Wimbledon?
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$45 upfront for three months plus taxes and fees, promo rate for new customers for limited time. Unlimited more than 40 gigabytes per month, slows, full turns at MintMobile.com. Welcome back to Miss Me, Lily. Hi. How's it going? You know, this is Miss Me. This is what we do now. This is our life. Miss Me. Once a week. It's our life. Following you around all your summer holidays. Am I? I'm not complaining. I enjoy it. It's a good respite from the sunbathing.
And I feel like we're kind of reinventing the holiday show genre. Which, to be honest, needs a bit of a kick up the ass. So think of us as the new wish you were here. Lily, today, you know, I quite wish you were here, white sofa, sort of a loose pant. You could be glory a honeyford. That's a pant. That's a pant. That's a pant. If you noticed, I'm wiggling my feet suggestively. Oh my god. By the way, I didn't even know Natti, you know, Natti, who I'm with, you know her.
She just said to me, oh, it's cool that Lily's got a dedicated page for her feet now. And I was like, no, no, we just talked about that Miss Me. She's like, no, she has a page now. What? What? She didn't. I have been creating foot content for the past week or so. No, for a select group of foot enthusiasts on a specialist social media site. Nishi space. Nishi space. My toe daddy is a very happy with the content that I am supplying. Where will this end, Lily?
I know where it ends in the same place as it starts. It's only feet. I'm very, I've got very strict guidelines. And believe me, these guys are all up in my DMs telling me that they want like bespoke content and asking me for all kinds of crazy stuff. And I take such pleasure in just saying only feet. Only feet. Don't even go there. This is a foot only page. How dare you. Marcus from so contraint only feet. Okay, only thing to give.
We can talk about what I can do with those feet as long as it doesn't involve any other parts of the body. But so how I can practically have it. It's spreading is a big big thing. They really want to feel me spread those toes. And apparently I've got a good spread. Listen to me, Lily. No, you listen to me. I don't care. I don't feel like it is sexual. How it is received is another thing altogether. And let me just tell you something.
I'm finding this actually quite empowering because having been like very sexualized from a very early age and literally everybody else in the process, profiting from that sexualization, it's actually really fun to be like in power and in control of something that I find so silly. And my friends being spinned. And I'm really enjoying it. Now listen, your casually going on like anyone could do this if you had a profile in the media. But not everyone. Not everyone's got the arch or the spread.
Not dirty, three stars like me out here. You could try your luck. Some people, you know, have got a thing for, you know, cross the old, that's what he can put. And that's what my grandma, she's just got pigeon foot like me. What is that? It means that we walk on our feet turning inwards. But we do have a good arch. Yeah. So yeah, there's any market, the pigeon foot. It was a very like my space pose, wasn't it? The like feet facing inwards. It was very, oh sure. Oh, yes, it's quite liberties.
Fight claxons, Thames Beat. It's not sorry, it's sorry. It's a Thames Beat stance. The pigeon footed like the cock knee into the middle. Yeah. If we looked at album covers of that time, I bet you raise a light of standard like this. Put your hands in the pockets and the knees facing in and the toes out. They're all doing the pigeon foot. So yeah, so my time is probably middle. It's all about me and my five selfies. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Well, I'm happy that you've put an incredible spin on it and made it an empowering moment for you. And if that is how you feel, I'm truly happy. It's actually creative as well. And also, and fuck off. Fuck off. How dare you. How dare you. I'm, I am. Okay. I'm thinking about what I'm going to do next. I'm thinking about how to please my toe daddies, what they want. I'm thinking of like. I'm thinking of like. I'm just your husband feel. Is he all right? Yeah, he is. He thinks it's great. My kids.
At first, he was like not turned on, but like he was like, is this a, is this a kink for you? And I was like, no, it's totally not a kink. But maybe there's something in the power element of it that's slightly kinky for me. I think attention and power will always be a lifelong kink for you. So rude. And we're just kind of surfing both. So yeah, I bet you're having a great time. Because in childhood, I was devoid of both. So look, let me, I'm just having my day in the sun.
Just. You got, that's not, you got to spin for everything today. This is actually healing a lot of childhood trauma. Now spread your toes. Healing the trauma. Check it out. Look at my spread. Look at my spread. Ooh, soul action. Soul action. Don't mix your mis-me audience with your feet. Nishi space audience. They are two separate things. And let's not blur the lines. Here, we talk about things like airports and post-natal depression. Which one would you like to talk with?
This is a serious space. Fucking around showing our feet. Well, we can talk about post-natal depression. I kind of wanted to touch on it just because I was talking to David about it last night. Over dinner. We have lots of conversations about Madness. David is bipolar and has been institutionalized a few times in his life. And he has quite an interesting relationship to how madness is defined or talked about in the world. And how it can be sort of like a perception thing.
Because quite a lot of people, or I don't know if I can say quite a lot of people, because I can't speak for other people. But certainly him feels as though sometimes it's the rest of the world that is mad. That we can sort of like stand by and watch the atrocious things that happen in the world. That we can be so sort of like led and governed by money and power and be so sort of self-serving.
Whereas it's people that are quite often diagnosed with mental illnesses that are, I don't know, more empathetic, can we say? A sensitive to the things that are going on in the world. And so this kind of led on to a conversation around postnatal depression. I suffered with postnatal depression after money was born.
So I was just going to say, because I was going to ask you, because I didn't actually know specifically if you had, and with which child, because obviously we had a horrible loss with your first child, and then Ethel not being well when she was born. So Ethel, you were just in general in deep trauma for a long time, with your first baby's end up journey. So after all that, you then had money and then suffered with postnatal depression.
Yeah. I don't know how you can get necessarily prove that your depression is related to having had a baby or not, right? But I was incredibly sad after both of my kids, well all three of my kids actually, I had a stillborn son in 2010, and then I was in bed rest for the majority of my pregnancy with Ethel. And then she was born, she was very, very sick, which obviously created a lot of anxiety and or depression. And then three months later I was pregnant with Marnie, and when Marnie was born,
I didn't really have much time. I'd only really planned to take out, you know, nine months, or you know, however long I was going to have after George was born, off of work. And because of the three back-to-back pregnancies, we'd sort of run out of money. And so I had to go back out on the road. So I'd sort of incubated these three children for, you know, best part of three years. And then it was like, right, you've got to release an album and get back out on the road. And so I was ripped away.
How old was Marnie when you first went back on the road? Six months old. Oh, no. So I was like ripped away from my children and sort of sent packing. And I, you know, was incredibly depressed and spiraled my life sort of like, became sort of quite out of control. I remember that tool. But I do remember my mum saying this thing to me because Ethel didn't breastfeed. And all I'd wanted after the death of my son was to be able to connect with her in that way.
And it just wasn't happening. And I felt like we didn't bond necessarily in the way that I would have liked to from the get-go. And I remember sort of saying to my mum that I was worried about it. And she just said, don't worry, darling, it will all just slot into place. And I, you know, she was trying to be helpful. But I don't think I found that helpful because it didn't. And it took a lot of work for that bond to be created. And you had to work at it.
Yeah, I had to work at it. But I guess like in relation to postnatal depression, or maybe it's not the right, you know, to label what I'm trying to talk about as that. But I do think that there is not much space for women to feel dissatisfied with the situation they find themselves in after giving birth. Even now, if I talk about anything that isn't positive around my kids, I'm bombarded with comments from people saying, you know, there are so many women that can't have children.
How dare you, your children are going to read this when you grow up. Not much space for women to voice their dissatisfaction with, yeah, having kids. And it's something that's irreversible, right? So I was not prepared for the sense of loss of the life that existed before my children came along. And there was no space for me to have that conversation with anybody. And so you're sort of mourning your old life while you're completely directly headfirst into this new one?
Yes. And I don't think that there is any support, like let's say that you come to that realization that you feel like, oh shit, you know, I'm not happy. And I've done this thing and I'm in this situation. And I know that I have a responsibility to this child. But there isn't a space for you to voice those feelings. It's like, get back in your box. You do not talk about this in that way. Disatisfaction of motherhood, no way. It's unacceptable.
And so do you think there may be personnel depression sort of starts to just go in circles and get worse and worse? Because there's no outlet. Because there's so much so. I think so. And also no space for it. Yeah. And it's all on the mother as well. You know, I don't know what happens in schools today in the UK.
I certainly know that, you know, nobody's really talking to my children at school about motherhood, what that means, what that means for what happens to your career when you decide to embark on that journey. You know, if it is talked about, I think it's probably directed at girls, more than it is directed at boys.
So, you know, when you are a woman and you find yourself with a small screaming child and it's not as rosy as it has been made out to be in the movies or in the books that you've read or whatever, then what is there to do but to internalize that shame and to make it a you problem rather than a problem with the world. Actually, that's something about being older and not having had kids yet because I've heard the stories and seen the experiences.
I haven't lived them, but I feel like I know a little too much now about the reality of motherhood. Well, I should have just done something I was 26 and it was all just very similar. And I'm going to be a mum. Now, I'm like, oh, I know, I know how serious this shit can be. Just in that sense of like the complete and utter loss of everything that was before. Of course, you gain so much more, but hopefully we are living in a time where there is more than out there. There is no freeing.
It's like no one tells you how fucking hard it is. Like, when I got pregnant, you know, I was like number one in the charts and like flying around the world. Not one person to be a side and was like, this is going to be like a different thing with a child. Not one person. Yeah, but in the Lauren Hill song, for Zion, you know, now the joy of my world. And it's about Zion and it's all very like, look at your career. They said, Lauren, baby, use your head.
I feel like it's quite standard that a pop star gets pregnant. People go, don't do this now. Did you not have that? No. Where was that care system, Lily? Hey, were they? No, I thought we'd organize some sort of care for you around that time. Nope. No. But, you know, I'm not saying that I would change anything. I absolutely adore my children. And I don't know what my life would be without them.
But I do think that, you know, as with any, you know, problem, psychological or otherwise, you know, talking about it is the best policy. And I just, I do worry about women who find themselves in that position and feel like they're not up to the standard. They can't do the job properly and feeling like there isn't any space for them to talk about it. To say that, socially competitive Instagram mothering, I can't even imagine.
I wanted to say, I thought it was interesting that you started this conversation with the fact that you and David were discussing this over dinner. Because I've just been away in Antigua and then New York. So a lot of traveling and a lot of airports, a lot of holiday restaurants as it were, restaurants on holiday. And so many couples, I see, with nothing to say to each other.
That's why I used to be scared about going on holidays because there's so much pressure on them for them to be magical places that nothing bad happens here. And I feel like a lot of people put so much pressure on themselves and then get to their holiday and have nothing to say to each other. So it's good that you two are still chatting away. Yeah, we have a rule that the phones say in our hotel room at dinner time. So we are focused on each other and not distracted by our phones.
And actually I've been in the habit of leaving my phone in the room during the daytime. So I've just been sitting by the pool, by the sea, with my books and reading. Nice. And it is really nice not having that distraction, not having that option of escape. Because it's quite often those moments of like difficulty within our relationship or you know the conversation gets to a hurdle. And I think, where's my phone? I can escape this.
And this is what I mean when you see couples, especially in the airport and people are waiting, each member of the couples on their phone, I thought, what did people do before posted? They just stare each other? No. Or look at the floor. They talked. Or did you talk more? Do we actually talk to each other less? Because my mum and Garfield, that's when I stepped out of 30 years now, and one of the greatest things about Garfield and my mother is they never shut the fuck up.
They are constantly chatting shit to each other. And they really make each other laugh. And I swear it's a huge part of why they're together from the beginning and to now. I think that's literally all I want in a partner, just someone that I want to talk to for the rest of my life. Isn't that, that's the really the only thing we want. I think that's a pretty good starting point. Yeah. That's a good one to stick on the list. Yeah. Someone I'd like to chat shit to for the rest of my life.
Like, and keep learning from. Yes? Yeah, sorry, I'm just thinking of David wanging on it dinner about something intellectual. Always learning. You pick the right partner. He'll quite often lecture me on something, not lecture, but talk about something. And then I'll be like, hmm, maybe like not really getting what a brilliant mind I have or how impressed you are with my theories on Western civilization. Sorry darling, yes, of course you are brilliant, you are brilliant mind.
That's what he wants to talk about. That's so interesting. I love that. Like, I'd quite like a partner that wanted to discuss maybe the druids. Maybe, yeah, he's not, we haven't gone there yet. Lots of philosophy. Lots of philosophy, David reads. Yes. He wants to solve problems, you know. It's like, it's like, it's like, yental. It's like, you know, a little bit. Yeah, but he, David finds it quite hard to switch off and to relax, you know. So there's always like a problem to be solved.
And sometimes he'll create a problem within our relationship that needs to be solved immediately. And just to busy his brain. Yeah. And, um, I don't know. But he does it, you know, with himself and with the world. He's an intellectual. This is what makes him a bloody brilliant actor and man, I think. Shall we end today with, we love David? No. Well, enjoy your holiday, babe. Enjoy your holiday. I will. I can't wait to get back and vote.
So you're going to come back and vote and then you're going back to Italy. Look at you. Yeah. This is a place to say, everyone, get up and go vote, please. Please go and vote. Vote for whoever you fancy, but get up and vote if you care about the world around you. It's up to you. Bye, darling. I'll see you to listen, bitch. Um, what did you say you did the theme? What is it? Revenge. Revenge. Oh, I've got some good, not from me, from people from history. Gengars card.
Got some good stories from him. Call the locks. Spoke to him last night. Give me a couple of callkas. Gengars. Baby. Gengars. What are you saying? I feel like people think they know, but they don't really know. It's like, oh, Gengars can't say it, but what did he do? What's his story? I'll be telling you on next week's edition of Listen, Bitch. This is me auditioning for a new history show, basically. We'll see you next week.
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