Tales of the Shadow Empire, whispers in the lunar fire goes alive with unseen vains. The moon is just a state. Truth is woven into dreams. Truth is woven into deep, deep dreams. Always a pleasure, Charles. We are live. Right back at you, Jason. Thank you very much for having me. I'm just going to quote you here with one of your tweets. This is a response to Christopher F Rufo.
I read his tweet out first. Exclusive Grossman, Hannah and I have obtained logs from the NS as secret transgender chat sex chat room in which NSACIA and DIA employees discussed genital genital castration, artificial vaginas, piss, fetishes, sex polecules and gang bangs all on government time. To which he responded on thought crime syndicate with Pete Kunones. I said the intelligence community deep state hired degenerates because they're easy
to keep in mind via blackmail. Yet the tactic was so overused that now degenerates run everything using power to large to largely normalize it, thus weakening the threat. So the title of this episode is the shadow Bureau. Since you've had experience, of course, in the in the bureaus themselves of the American bureaucracy, I thought it was a surefire hit to have you on. Plus, I always like talking to Charles. So run us through that tweet.
Explain yourself, Sir. But certainly 1st I'm going to say I want you to read all my tweets. You, you, you have a great voice for my writing style. So you should read all my stuff. But moving, moving forward to kind of explain, well, not to kind of to definitely explain myself with that. What we have to understand is it, it has been a tactic, I want to say for as long as I've been alive, probably longer to, for intelligence agencies to get compromised or compromisable individuals.
And those generally in, in more moral societies than ours, those generally were sexual deviants, like, like the kind that just been outed or out of themselves due to their recklessness. Now the reason they have been chosen and is because they are compromisable, they are easily shamed. They are easily socially persecuted. They are easily socially ostracized.
And as anybody who is a student of sociology knows or of human behavior understands that really isolation is a greater punishment than quite a bit of quite a bit of other options that exist. So what these intelligence agencies do is they get somebody that's compromised or compromisable and they take them and they say, OK, well, I'm going to take you into the organization. I'm going to make you a senator. I'm going to make you a mayor.
I'm going to make you a joint chief of staff, whatever, what have you, head of the NSA. Now the deal is you're going to run policy the way I want it, and you will get to keep your job. You will get to do what you do, but you have to do what I say. And if you decide to step out of line, I will make sure these pictures, these videos, these audios, et cetera, this evidence gets out there and you will be
ruined. You will either be criminally prosecuted or you will be socially ostracized or more than likely both. And that's what they've done. And they've done that for many, many years. So much so that there was a series on British television many years ago in the 70s called Blake 7. And the reason I bring this up specifically is that's exactly what they did to the character in Blake 7. They made-up, well I should say not exactly what they did to
him. They framed him for being one of those individuals and then that cost him everything and put him in prison and everything and all that sort of thing. So the the reason I bring up that as an example is because it was already well known by whenever that show was made 197476 something like that. So I'm 52 and so that's, that's been something that's been going on my whole lifetime. And it was well known in the 70s. So I, I can't imagine that it hasn't been done since probably
the 30s maybe before. I couldn't give you a hard and fast date on it. But here's the issue with that trick. And I'll this is where I move into the, the second part of my tweet. This is the segue to the second part of my tweet. Here's the issue. That trick works. And what do people do when they encounter a technique that works well? They use it because that just makes sense. If it works, keep doing it.
If it doesn't work, stop. Well, the problem is not only that it works, it works all too well. So they just kept doing. They'd get people like Harvey Milk, etcetera. Just keep going, keep going. Let's get more and more degenerates in here because they're all easy to all easy to compromise, all easy to keep under our thumb, which is exactly why you've seen pretty much all of government left and right in the United States move
in lockstep. I mean, as I've said, goodness gracious, I said it on back when I had a Facebook account back in like 2008, I said if I want to watch two guys, it was about a presidential race. I said if I want to watch two guys pretend to fight and then shake hands behind a curtain and get paid by the same guy, I'll watch pro wrestling.
So all this is to say so that if this trick works and it works so well, they just keep doing it. But now the problem is now you've got all these degenerates in positions of power. You've got them in government, you've got them in media. And what that will do is that will give them the the hands on the levers or the fingers on the buttons to start normalizing it. This is also why you've seen a tremendous push over the last 20 years or so to normalize homosexuality, trans sexual
deviants, etcetera. And that is because if that gets normalized, how are you going to socially ostracize these people? How are you going to shame them? It might even get to the point, as a lot of places are starting to do, they're starting to decriminalize a lot of this stuff. Some, some of it even Pederaski is starting to get minimized. And the issue is how do you, how do they keep these people compromised? And the answer is, you really can't. So it's a creation.
The Golem has escaped its rabbi, the the Frankenstein has escaped its creator, because these people have been given the power, given the means to start normalizing this. And they did. And I can't, I can't necessarily blame them in the sense of it. That's how they're going to to get themselves out from under the thumb of their controllers. Obviously I don't condone what they do, but I'm saying only a fool would think that they wouldn't try that.
And the trick had been done so often and so frequently and with such vociferousness that now pretty much everybody in the club is a degenerate. Everybody with their hands on the button is a degenerate. So that's why you've been living in filth for 2025 years, that it's only gotten worse as time has gone on? Thanks for bringing up like 7 is one of my favorites. I actually just redownloaded a bunch of it with the plans of rewatching and so it's fantastic
series. It's sort of the dark, the dark Doctor Who made around during that sort of weird BBC period. A more modern version of that would be The Good Shepherd with that Matt Damon, Angelia and Jolie, Robert De Niro. It's sort of a semi fictional Hoover kind of buy up where ACIA guy becomes becomes the head of the CIA and and of course they use complimat to to to play with him as well and his son.
The the interesting thing with all this, of course is it before we press record, you said that you you were one of the greatest white pillar dispensers over on Crime Thought Syndicate. I I try to be. I try to be. I would prefer to you to use to use the term bitter white pill, Sir. I'll allow it. Fair. I will do.
I will do so. Tastes like Fisherman's Friends, but it but it fixes the problem and part of the series of tales of the Shadow Empire, which is sort of revealing, trying to reveal some of these truths, starting with the economy and moving through other, other domains. People that, you know, sometimes ask me what's the use like?
They keep thinking like, OK, you're, you're signing out, you're telling me all this so I can make financial moves and all the rest of it. I'm like, look, I, I can't tell you exactly where you're at and I don't know what the use case for you person might be. But I believe that if, if I had known in 2019 what was about to happen in 2020 and the reasons for it, that would have cut out a lot of the emotional stress and baggage and running around, you know, not uncertainties,
let's say that occurred for those, those 2-3 years. And I think that's a value onto itself. Because once you can see things clearly, even if you don't like what you're seeing, it decreases your, your efforts to, to do, your percentage chance of doing the wrong thing goes down. My grandfather once said that if you don't know what to do, do as little as possible until you know what to do.
Because often times when you don't know what to do, if you're just doing, you know, flailing at things, it's exhausting and you end up doing a whole bunch of wrong things. So it's probably better to know what to do or what's going on, let's put it that way first, and then move from that position.
So you know, this revealing that's happening, this apocalypse that's happening in the West and it's it's happening mostly in America, but I think it's going to spread through other Western territories is showing, it is showing us the that dark underbelly and, and kind of dispensing that boomer truth mentality that yes, sure, politicians lie and these people, you know, they end up doing bad things, but not all of them and certainly not all the time.
And, and not, no, not us. It's these these, it's the other. Guys right, It's the other scene. Yeah, Yeah, no. No, it's us. Yeah, it's still. It's still, yeah. To be clear, just to step back a bit, I, I, I want to be very, very clear. I, I didn't say that I was the greatest white pill dispenser on Thought Crime Syndicate. I said I'm going for the, the, the, the White pill dispenser of the year award on Thought Crime Syndicate, because I think those guys do their best to, to white
pill. I do. And I think I'm just, I'm fortunate enough that that those two were just so knowledgeable. The two guys I'm referencing are are Dee and and Peter Canones and obviously Jose Nino is is there as well. So I don't mean to diminish his
contribution. What I'm just saying is like all those three guys, they're just so knowledgeable and they're, and they're, they're so sharp that it's easy for me to kind of be, I don't know, like the cool uncle at the end of the day, like, oh, hey, man, it's gonna work out. You know, 'cause they, they have all the numbers, they have all this stuff and they can tell you that planes are falling out of
the sky and they're right. They're right on everything and they're right to say what they say. I'm not, I am not backing down on any of that. I'm just trying to say that I, I am blessed to be on that panel and I am blessed with the position that I have 'cause I get to be the kind of the cool uncle that's like, Nah, man, it's gonna work out. It's gonna work out because what I try and do is I try and take what they say because all of it's excellent. All that needs to be out there.
All of it needs to be said. But I try and contextualize it and say, guys, look, this information is here. Regardless of how you choose to interact with it, it's going to be here. The facts, these men lay out the facts. These, these men are brave enough and courageous enough and bold enough to put out there. They're, they are reality. As I'm fond of quoting, there was a quote from Alan Moore's V for Vendetta. It's like these guys didn't put you in prison.
They just showed you the bars. And I, I feel my, I've been the same way my whole life. I didn't put you in prison. I just showed you the bars. But what I try and do on that show is I try and remind them be, yes, these are the facts. But just like Alcoholics Anonymous, understanding the fact is the most liberating thing one can do. It's just like the Bible. The truth will set you free.
That's what it is because it goes back to what your grandfather said, his wisdom, God bless him, His wisdom. OK, if you don't know what to do, then try and do as little as possible until you do know what to do. And then when you do, I would presume that his attitude would be do it as well and as hard as you can once you do know what to do because I didn't, I didn't take anything that you said from his perspective as a call to inaction overall or as a general
philosophy. I took it as a call to caution and that's what I try and do with these guys. I try and take all the good stuff that Pete and Dee and Jose put out there and I try and tell guys, look, yes, it's a mess. None of these guys are wrong in anything they're saying. But what I'm trying to tell you is you have the benefit of knowing these things now thanks to these guys. I didn't have that benefit when I was 162130. I didn't have that benefit young men out there or younger men
today have that. And frankly, even older guys, 'cause I'm not, I try very hard not to damn a man for his, his, the era of his birth. I mean, I, yeah, I complain about boomers every so often too. But I do try and remember no man has exempt his zeitgeist. We are, we are all going to be a product of the age which formed us, from which we emerged. So I try very hard not to, not
to blame men for that. So what I try and just tell younger men is take the benefit of the knowledge that Dee and Jose and Pete are giving you and, and listen to me and say, OK, yes, these are bleak truths. These are rough, but you know them. You know that you have pneumonia. Now you just have to cure pneumonia. You know that you're an alcoholic. Now you just have to stop being an alcoholic. You have to fight against it. It's it's no different than any other diagnosis and treatment.
No different. And I just have the benefit of being able to kind of take a breath, step back, let these gentlemen do their work. And then I do what I perceive my place on Thought Crime Syndicate is, which is to take what they say and textualize it in a way that I think a lot of younger people or even just average people can kind of grasp. And, and OK, well, you've told me, what do I do now? And then I try and be that guy. It's like, OK, here's the situation that they've told you about.
Let me try and give you an idea of what to do or how to come to terms with it, how to process the information, if that makes sense to you, Jason. Yeah, no, absolutely. I'm, I'm trying to do some very similar things on my channel. I think the frustration or one of the frustrating things that comes across the desk is that people then want, want a life pill from from you. You know, OK, so you've
diagnosed the problem. We were all agreement and now they want you to tell them an itemized description or advice in which to use this data to benefit themselves. And again, you have to go. I don't know, man. I I don't know where you're at. Yeah. And I mean, and that's exactly what I try and do. I try and point outlook. I don't know each and every
listener personally. I mean, if people are kind enough to write to me, I try and respond to everybody who writes to me. I try, but you know, I don't know, pardon me, I don't know everybody's situation. So I try and give a very broad statement. As I said in the the end of the last Thought crime episode, I'll prove my honesty with my consistency.
As I said at the end of the last Thought crime episode in my air quotes plug, I say, guys, understand you have the benefit that Peter and I did not have you. You are slowly getting the boot taken off your neck. No, I understand mass immigration has not been solved overnight. Trump didn't deport 11 million people or 100 million people. No and no. All of the woke stuff isn't completely gone. And no, we don't control the media now. None of that. But you are at least getting
some breathing room. You are at least now allowed to say the emperor is naked. You are allowed to say that now. And we weren't. We, we simply weren't. And if we wanted to find these things out, the facts that Pete is putting out there every day, the facts that Dee is putting out there every day, the facts Jose is putting out there every day. If we wanted to find that out, that was a herculean effort just 2530 years ago.
I mean herculean. There's a reason that a lot of the conspiracy air quotes, conspiracy theorists air quotes were considered Kookie back in the day is because they had to have the time to do all that stuff. That's why it tended to be loners or unemployed people or people that just LED an offbeat life because they're the only ones that had the time to to dredge for all that. Now anybody can do it. You can do it from your phone.
You have, as I've said on my, in my one of my books, my first book, you have more knowledge at your fingertips while you're sitting on the crapper than most of human history had ever. Like you can just scroll Google or perplexity AI anything and you can find it out. But that's the reason a lot of the old school air quotes conspiracy theorists were loners, unemployed people that let off be lives 'cause you would have to have a lot of free time to find these things out.
And I mean, think about it. Look at guys like yourself. Look at guys like Pete, look at guys like Dee. Look at the amount of hours you men put in to to find this stuff out. And then to get it out there. Look at the hours out of the day you have to put in to find that even in the information age or the post information age, it's, I mean, it's a lot of work even today. So now multiply that by what, 1520, fifty, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago.
So that's I think that's. I think the only advantage people might have had 4050, whatever years ago. Yes, they had the disadvantage of not having easy access to information, but that means that the information that they could get their hands on was probably pretty unfiltered and much more almost verifiably true on which conspiracy circle you're in. Whereas now the, the struggle is, it's not, it's not, it's not
a lack of information. It's almost too much information where you have to constantly be ciphering through narratives and BS and all the rest of it to try to get to the actual data itself and then start to figure out how it links up to everything else that I think it becomes the the the bigger struggle. Yeah, you're, you're, you're fine. You want to need to find the needle in the pile of needles, right? That that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I I can understand that. But I again, this is me being my guess. This is me trying to white pill again. I would just kind of. It's a good problem to have. Don't get me wrong, it's a good problem to have, but it's still, it's, it's still, to your point, it, it, it does still require like, you know, 40-50 hours of just, of surfing the, the seas of, of, of, of narrative Pooh to get to anything remotely coherent or, or usable. So. Yeah, oh, of course.
And, and that's why I wasn't, you know, I wasn't saying it was an easy job. That's why I even said like, yeah, you guys are still putting in a ton of work. Absolutely. But I, I think it's just the human condition at the end of the day. And not to wax too philosophical, but I think it really is just the human condition at the end of the day that we just trade one problem for another, you know? OK, Well, they, they may have had it easier in some ways and
harder in others. But now that it's your turn to carry the torch, you, they, it's just been, you know, inverted, if you will, or flipped or switched around or shuffled. OK, Now you have it easier in some ways and harder in others. That's just the inverse of what he had, so to speak, the guy before you. I I just think that's part of the human condition. Maybe that's me being a bit pat or flippin, I don't know. Forgive me if if it comes across that way. I don't mean to be that way.
I'm just, I just really do believe at this point in my life it's we all get across. It just matters. You know what the type of wood is, that's all. But we all end up with a cross at the end of the day. Let's walk. Let's walk you back a little bit, two more times in government. So you started off. It's now known as Homeland Security. What was it known when you were the agency was called you? United States Immigration and
Naturalization Service, USINS. Which brings us to the other big topic that's hitting the the West in general, which is the immigration crisis or refugee crisis or whatever. Whatever the term you want to use, Where did you? OK, so you're there, I would say in maybe the early days of this plan to essentially let in infinite immigrants, not the saying that immigration policy in the West had not been corrupted for a good long time, longer than you either.
You and I have been around and we're both becoming old hats here. But especially, I know I'm from Canada. This situation's been going on for over 120 years in Canada, but the obviously in the last, let's say 20 or 30 years, it's magnified and seems to have taken on a life of its own. From your perspective of your time in the Immigration Services, did you? Were you there when you started to see this switch happened, or when did you become aware that things had gone dark?
I would have to say from the very beginning I went in to the service in 1998 is when I started. I was, I was 26 when I went in and I would have to say I noticed it from the get go. As a matter of fact, I, I went in and I don't even think I was there a year. And I said America is not a country. It's a strip mall. Nobody comes to America to be American anymore. That that died probably with my grandfather in 1927 or something.
My grandfather died in the 90s. But I, I mean, I mean, with my grandfather's arrival in the United States, it probably died. I noticed that America had become a strip mall. Everybody was coming here to get something, to buy something, to earn something as far as money, I mean, goes, you know, get, get their share, get what they want and then go home, their real home. Nobody was coming here because they wanted to. And I was a badge and gun at the time. It was called immigration
inspector. That was Border Patrol, but for airports. And that's where I was. And I had noticed that pretty much from the get go, I would also get calls from local Police Department saying, hey, we've pulled over some illegals, can you come get them? And I'm like, hell yeah, I'll come get them. Just let me write down where you are. And my supervisors are always telling me, no, you can't do that. Nope. Nope. Just hang up. What, you don't even want me to refer them to field agents or
anything? Nope. Just hang up. Oh, OK. But I, I, I thought this was our job. It's not your job. You just worry about this post. OK, All right. Well, I, I guess we'll keep doing this. And it, it just became incredibly frustrating. So then I ended up moving on into citizenship and marriage fraud investigation, which who, boy, did that end up being an even worse decision.
Just watching, just watching and give my country away at every minute, just watching just how LAX all of these rules had become, watching how even the the rules that we did have just weren't enforced. And we're just I, I hesitate to even say I can't say they were ignored. I've never actually witnessed anybody ignoring the law, but I will say that they they effectively just defanged it. Don't bother prosecuting anybody, just give them another chance, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
So that effectively they ignored it. Did they literally ignore it? No, but it, it was, had been defanged and that was my whole career there. That's why and I won't try and I try not to go too far down this particular rabbit hole, but that's why I had a recent spiral of despair myself because I finally see it being taken seriously and people actually at least pretending to want to deal with it and, and do something about it. And I was like, where was this 30 years ago when I signed up?
Or, you know, 25 years ago when I signed up, where was this? I'd, I'd love to get back in and do that because I, I ended up getting drummed out in 2005, 2006. It's a little complicated on how that how we determine that exact time. But because of it, because I kept saying, no, I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to let this slide. I'm not just going to keep rubber stamping this and choking back the bile. That used to be a a phrase that they would use.
It's just choke back the bile and stamp it. Meaning doesn't matter. Just collect your paycheck. Shut up. Doesn't matter if it's sickens. You just do it. You know, don't don't jeopardize
your career. Wow. That's amazing because that means that that means that everyone's aware of it. It's one thing because I think what the narrative many people begin to adopt, and maybe this is more true in the last 10 years than it was 20 or 30 years ago, but I think everyone thinks that these institutions are ideologically captured. And from what you've said and from what I've heard other people say, the ideologic, the ideologues in any of these institutions really are very few
in number. It's mostly most people are just taking their job. They, they become isolated. They realize that, hey, there's no fighting this. You know, if, if you do fight this, you get drummed out, you fight it too hard to get drummed out. You fight a little bit, you just get whacked and sent down the ladder for a little bit and put in, put in the sin bin until you learn your lesson. And then and then. So most people just start to turn the blind eye and.
Go to go to work and do the thing and go home and enjoy a more dwindling system. And then at least be comforted in the fact that, hey, that's not my division. Yeah, I, I, I'd say you nailed it exactly. And I, I would stand by that observation myself. You're going to find ideologues are actually few and far between. It is mostly people that just go along to get along. I mean, the Milgram experiment showed us this, for crying out loud.
COVID showed us this. Most people just don't want the trouble. Just forget it, just stamp it. Just let me collect my check, let me collect my benefits. And I'm just not one of those guys. I've never, I never have been. Now I'm going to try and be fair to other people and I did not I, I still don't. But at the time I did not have a wife. I did not have children. So obviously it was a lot easier for me to sit to, to, to say no to her, to fight back.
I would argue that it still wasn't as easy as most people would think because my life was misery for a good 1520 years and I still haven't recovered fully, you know, from the ramifications of my dismissal being drummed out. But I will say I will try and be fair to other people and that it still is somewhat easier for me than somebody who has to say, well, you know, my kids have to eat, my kid has to go to school, my kid has to have braces, etcetera, etcetera.
And that's fair, that's fair. But I would say that, as you say, it's, it's really not so much ideologues, it's just most people turning a blind eye. And I, I believe I thought it was Da Vinci that said it, but I'm not going to get the quote exactly correct. I think it's originally Da Vinci, but it was, it was something like he who does not fight evil commands it to be done. And really that's the big problem.
It isn't that, it isn't that people are listening to the devil necessarily, it's that they're just standing by letting him do what he wants. And that's that's the issue. Yeah, I know the it's, it does get trickier when you have kids, obviously. But one of the things I've really been realizing over the last, let's say, a year or two is that on one hand you say, look, I have to be here to protect my child, to get her braces on, etcetera.
On the other hand, you also have to say I have to look at my child. Thank you. Yes. And I have to look at myself and the way that I carry myself and the way that I present myself is more important than all the material things. And that's a hard one because I think we get it in our heads that I can deal with this. And maybe on some level you can. But it's eating you. It's eating away at the fiber of your being because you put something ahead of yourself.
And you might think it's noble, you justify it, but really what you're putting ahead of yourself are all these things. The job, the money, the career, the standing, the status. That's the desire and you've justified it with your kid. It's. Even worse. Yeah, very well said. Yeah. And I, I, I've said this often, I believe I've said it publicly, but if not, let let's make this the 1st place. As much as I I lament and I am the fact that I am unmarried and
I have no children. I, I have to kind of think that least during COVID, it was a bit of a blessing because I will tell you and I can say this and I know, I know a man shouldn't say this if he really doesn't, if he doesn't have his his boots on the ground, if he doesn't, you know, if he really doesn't have those circumstances. But I am, I know myself, I've been through a lot and I do know who I am at the core.
And I can honestly say that I think I was spared had not by not having those things during COVID, because I'm pretty sure I'd be in jail. One, because I wouldn't let anybody do certain things to my kid. Like, no, you're not going to do this. You're not going to put him in a mask. You're not going to do this. And two, the reason I would do those things because of the reasons you just articulated.
Yes, they need the comforts. But to me, you know, if I had a son, how, how can I, how can I teach him to be a man if I'm not being one? I just, I just couldn't do it. Or how could I expect my daughter to find a worthwhile man and a father for her children if I don't exemplify the man I want to see her with? You know, and I don't mean that in a narcissist, narcissistic sense. Obviously I want her to find somebody that would be
compatible with her. But I'm saying that a man that has character, man that's honorable, a man that understands that he does have to sacrifice certain things in order for the world and in order to, to be one with himself, to be, to be right with the world and right with God. So that being said, I your words resound powerfully with me because they are pretty much exactly on the same page as as as I am. I would have to say exactly on the same page. It's a tough one.
It's those are that's probably the most bitter white pill possible. You would think we say things like I want my daughter to find a better man than than even I am right, but or do you want your child to be better than you? But you have to set the bar high, and you're not just setting the bar the bar high for yourself, but you're setting it higher for them because doing better than than a slimeball. Is pretty easy. Yeah, exactly right, Yeah.
We all recognize that, right? We can all agree on that one. So, OK, so we say the lowest bar is don't, don't be a don't be a slimeball. OK, well, what what's, where's the upper levels on this? And you can of course, set a bar too high because you're being false and you're hiding your faults, but which is also bad. But you should at least be aiming towards the highest of the high. This is, you know, this is especially for the Christians listening to this. It's harder to be Christian than
you think, yes. Yes, Yeah. Well, like Machiavelli wrote and not, not not saying that that's necessarily Christian, but like Machiavelli wrote, life should be like archery. You should always, you should always aim higher than your target because that's the arc of the arrow. We'll drop it back down. And I think that's the way I think people should be. Aim higher. Yes, you're going to fail, but So what you know, you might actually succeed.
And if you fail trying to reach a greater height, well, then you're still going to be over that slimeball bar that you mentioned earlier. You know, you're still, you're still going to, you're still going to Crest that particular hill. So, yeah, I I think you should. And as you, you also point out a very reasonable fear as well, very reasonable concern with the whole, OK, well, you don't want to aim too high. You don't want to be completely unrealistic or false. No, that's absolutely true.
That's the opposite of crazy is still crazy basically, but I mean you should be aiming a little higher than your target because when you fall short, and you probably will, you still hitting the solid mark. Here's here. OK, let's get to the $1,000,000 question. The hardest one always why? Why do you think the immigration system and the institutions in America will concentrate there
have become the way they became? Because obviously, even if we want to trace it back to the great generation who put these things in motion, you know, I always say if you want to find a scapegoat, you got to go further back. But regardless of who's at fault or who started it, why do you think over the last 20-30 years, the system kind of became what it what it turned out to be? Is it simply just corruption or was there more of a motivating factor or what are your thoughts
on that? That's an excellent question. And you, you, you're right to call it the $1,000,000 question. I guess I've always been too much of a man in the trench. I was World War One is my, my, my go to. I've always just been kind of the guy in the trench, the officer in the trench with his pistol and his whistle. I I really didn't. I really never thought too much about why. I mean, not to say that it's not a worthy consideration. It is, but I'm just I'm the guy
in the trench. I'm worried about the bullets that are flying over me. I'm worried about the men under my care. But the whys didn't really didn't really occur to me. But since you ask, I have a great respect for you. I will do the best I can at answering you with with what I have.
And I would have to say that a lot of this was back when it was initially set up, wanting to get a compliant pop populace and wanting to get nice little worker bees and to have their nice little orderly brave new world. And who by who's ever definition you want to use, that's that, that's up to you. But I think it was mostly to just try and get a largely compliant populace and then they would thin the herd out with their eugenics or what have you.
And then they'd make their money and they wouldn't have to anybody to come up and knock them off the throw. Because remember, you don't want the first thing you do when you get to that level is you. You pull up the ladder, you change the rules so nobody else can follow you. And that's the first thing they did. And then they just try and make everybody slower, weaker, Dumber, et cetera, so that they don't have the challenge to
their authority. And I'm going to say very clearly, I don't even know that it's necessarily, I'm sure that's part of it, but I don't even know that it's necessarily to keep power as it is just so much to not be challenged. I just don't want the headache. Maybe I maybe they can, maybe I can crush my enemies with a thought, but I don't feel like sparing that thought. So I'm just going to make sure that they don't show up. Remember, as Zunzu wrote, to win
without fighting is best. So if you can make everybody a dope, forgive me for saying this bluntly, but if you can make everybody a dope smoking retard, then I mean, you don't have to worry about somebody outclassing you. It's that simple. So I really think a lot of it was just to maintain the power base that they had.
It may be to increase it, but I would suspect largely just maintain it and then just keep everybody below them docile, easily controlled, nice and compliant, so that they could just continue on trucking with what they did. But the problem is you need those people to keep your society running, to build your machines, as Dee likes to say, to keep your planes in the air, you need them.
So that's why a lot of the stuff is now falling apart because we've been running on fumes, moving with inertia for probably as long as we've been alive, Jason, probably I, I, I, I think a lot of this fell apart long before we even realize. As a matter of fact, I have a blog post from, gosh, it's got to be 2012, 2013 at the oldest, where I talk about how you don't understand everything's already collapsed. You just, you just don't realize it. And the example I used is those long domino.
Exhibits, if you understand the ones I'm referencing, where these guys will set up these huge domino exhibits where they tip 1 down and it just goes in circles and spirals and up and down ramps and all over the place. And I just say we it's already collapsed. It's just so happens that you're standing between two dominoes that have yet to fall. Meanwhile, all the others have
already collapsed. Yeah, One thing I said in last year with Matthew Erickson was building this idea of civilizational capital and my proclamation was you don't live in a civilization anymore. We've lost the binding regio that holds that civilization together, which I defined as ruler, region and religion. As those 3 categories deteriorate, the binding glue that holds the civilization
together. If we think of three major areas that generate civilizational capital, being the social, the economic, and the government, those those systems begin to cannibalize each other because they still want to generate capital, which I would say is the byproduct of human competency. Whatever humans do competently, they produce capital over time. And that capital, which is not necessarily material, like it's not always like money can be
material. Those things have to be reinvested back into the civilization. This is why great civilizations build irrational things like beautiful banks. There's no rational reason to make a bank beautiful. It's romantic, which will get us into something else you've said that I want to get into and explore a bit. But that romanticism, that masculine romanticism is necessary to, to almost demonstrate to the people that investment of human capital. It makes people want to flourish.
It makes people want to think bigger things and do bigger things and show it off and make the civilization itself more powerful, more grand, more adventurous, etcetera. Yeah, it, it raises the bar. I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut you off, but to kind of go back to what you were saying earlier. It raises the bar. It gives us something greater to shoot for that even if we fall short, we still, we still create something noble, something worthwhile.
And that in turn fuels people to constantly want to continue. It's a moralizing factor rather than a demoralizing factor. It's an encouragement rather than a discouragement. And I think I think it's an excellent observation. And to to say to jump onto another point you raised very, very wisely, another point you raised very wisely is, is the
whole capital. Human capital doesn't have to necessarily be technological advancement, doesn't necessarily have to be gold mining, diamond mining, etcetera. I would argue personally, the greatest human capital ever created is a high trust society. Because with a high trust society, you can have space travel, you can go under the under the seas, you can feed the world like with a high trust society, you can the sky is the limit. Now, of course, the danger with that is hubris.
But right now I'm just staying on the subject of human capital. And I would argue that once you get that most precious commodity of all, a high trust society, you can do anything because now you have the minds, the backs, the, the arms, the legs of the stiff necks of, of literally millions. And that they they can all work together and they can all see things. This is why I love talking to Charles, because now you got my brain cooking.
Yeah. No, it's a brilliant observation because one of the challenges when we're developing these technologies is the lack of a high trust society. Without it, none of the technologies we're developing can be guaranteed to not be used by the bad people. So let's take something controversial, slightly controversial or or certain within certain spheres. You take something like digital ID. An. ID system that allow you to use the Internet and all the rest of it.
You can code that as good and maybe good. People are designing it for good reasons. We have AI, we have all these other ways of, of making fakes and all these other things making politicians look like they said the wrong fake things and that could lead to nuclear wars and who knows, right? So because you have a low trust society, suddenly you have to respond, you have to react to that low trust society by creating more and more security measures. As you create more and more
security measures. Even if those security measures are made by good people, there's no guarantee because you live in a low trust society that bad people won't get their hands on the levers of those security measures and turn them against the populace in general. So a digital ID today, which is only used against the bad people and we can all go, yes, I agree, that's a good measure to use against the bad people.
As I've said with immigration, it's like, OK, you kick all these people out now, how do you make sure they don't come back in again? And lo and behold, there seems to be a whole bunch of solutions to that problem, which would one would be some sort of digital ID or biometrics or chips in the hand, etcetera, etcetera. And again, if it's used against the bad people, there's no filter, there's no brakes, there's no reason to not celebrate that.
However, if bad people get into those systems and can use those same systems against all the good people, we're right back to where we started. And in fact, we just built a better mousetrap for ourselves. So to Bill, go back to what you said, which is great, The missing component here is a high trust society and how you have to produce that first before you
produce anything else. That in actual fact, the response to all the evils in the, in the ills of this world that we've seen and the consequences of the last, let's say 60 years at least, is not necessarily to react to them directly. We can do that too. But the secondary or let's say meta reaction has to be how do we rebuild a high trust society so that is lasting and true. The good, the beautiful true has to be substantiated.
Without it, all other reactions are just you're just creating more problems for if not you then your kids or your grandkids. I think ultimately we'd be all for naughty regardless. I mean, at that point would be all for naughty if if there's not a high trust society, not as you say, not only will could they be turned against us if you don't have the the high trust society, as as you rightly point out, but I would also say that who's to say it's even going to
last? And just to step back briefly here, there's a great quote. Again, I'm not going to get it exactly correct, but it's, it was a famous Roman thinker said you can tell how corrupt a society is by how many laws it has. The more laws it has, the more corrupt it is. And that's what I, I, I would say exactly to this conversation.
It's very pertinent. It's like, well, you can tell that we're we're in a low trust society because we have more laws than ever, because laws are the only way to make people behave. Well, even they don't really make people behave, but that's the best way that they can, they can try it. Whereas you don't need that many laws. If you have a high trust society. I mean, think about maybe some of the areas where you grew up when you were younger.
I believe you grew up in Canada, you know, or you know, just some of the neighborhoods listeners grew up in. You didn't need a lot of this stuff. You can leave your door unlocked. Why? Because there's a high trust society. You know, you weren't, you just, you weren't going to do things like that and your neighbors
weren't going to do things. Our security system back then was that we lived in a blue collar, all European, 1st and 2nd generation European neighborhood, a lot of Portuguese, Italians, Pollocks, slobs, whatever. And I remember as a kid riding my bike up and down the back
laneway. And there was always some, you know, retired man in his, let's say late 60s, maybe early 70s in the summer, usually with a, with a tank, a tank top on, drinking, drinking some sort of dark liquid out of a, out of a, out of a, out of a glass and, and just sitting and watching, right. Yeah. And I guarantee if there was a problem, he would have said something. He would have sent up the alarm, said something, said something. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Right, right.
You're lucky if you if he just said something. Fair, fair, fair. But yeah, I I would say you. Know you had to learn how to duck when I was a kid became very sensitive swishing sounds. I love it, I love it. 80s radar. Oh man, I want to remember. That became very sensitive to swishing sound. I love that, Jason.
I got to hold on to that one. So here's here's another part of brilliance that you said, and I've been onboarding people quite often with it and it keeps blowing their minds because it's so damn good. You said that the masculine spirit is inherently romantic, while the feminine is inherently pragmatic and like a bullet to the brain. There, there, Charles, the so we've been coming through this,
this long house. Some people say I call the devouring mother this period of 60 years of, of let's say feminization and this hyper and we've seen the results, which is hyper pragmatic. We can see it in architecture. You know, we see I don't live far from a industrial area and all the, all the buildings are Gray slabs of concrete. And it's pragmatically makes sense. It's it's the it's cheap, It's easy to, it's easier to construct. It's easy to put up. Look, it's a warehouse. Why?
Why does that have to be pretty? All those other things? And I think people would initially kick back a little bit the idea because they think when, well, women love romance, it's like, yeah, they love it because they can't produce it. Well said. Very. Well, they they're stuck in that pragmatic mindset where women like to be stripped off their feet and not have to think about
how much things cost the thing. This is why they're attracted to very, very wealthy men because they can kind of put that pragmatic sense of their brain to sleep a little bit going he can afford, it's fine. I would say that's exactly it. Yes, that's exactly it. But continue, please. So, so, and of course, this is infected everything and
everywhere. And to bring him back to these bureaus now that we've had 60 years of, of feminized, feminized, pragmatic bureaus, pragmatic to a suicidal fault because it's serving something. And we can speculate The Who and what it's serving. But ultimately, as we're moving now into this more masculine age, it's going to be youthful. I've called it the vengeful sun. But I also think there's a room for the prodigal son to be emergent.
Regardless, It's going to be a re injection of the masculine. We're starting to see this slowly in AI and and many other categories. What, what would you think? What's your general prognosis O dispenser of white pills? Because as we're moving, as we're moving into this more masculine age, we're going to see a rise in romanticism. And I think that's, I think that's good.
I'm very hopeful about it. But I also think we need to be extremely careful because we've been, most of us have not even touched on the romantic age. We've read about it, we've maybe seen our grandfathers or older generations be the products of various forms of it, but we ourselves have never experienced it. And I think that first heady rush, especially for the younger men, listen to this, is going to
be very intoxicating. And the, as it, as my grandfather said, if you don't know what to do, do as little as possible. And I think a lot of people will start getting these ideas that they know exactly what to do. And I'm looking at from the sidelines going, you don't know shit, kid. Like, and I can, I can say that in the mirror myself, Like, I don't know what am I talking about. So, so yeah, let's let's go from
there. What's your general short term, midterm, long term prognosis on on this new romantic age that we're starting to see dawn in front of us? OK, wow, this is. I I, I say the I say the easy ones for the last. Yeah, they just get progressively more difficult. Thank goodness I don't drink during these because I I mean, you know, holy Hannah, you should start. Yeah, I think I might. I think I might actually, but that'll just get me even more
verbose than I already have. But let's let me just try and wrestle with we said OK, so let's let's go with short term, mid term and long term prognosis on the dawning of the new romantic age. I, I think short term, let me try and parse my thoughts as best I can because this is this is another one that I, I blindsided me with. I haven't even put a single thought to it. I'd have to say I short term, yes, I think you're correct in that that it's going to be intoxicating.
They're going to come, They're going to be dangers that come along with it. However, I am also going to be that guy to say, you know what, it's your first sip of beer, enjoy it. You know what I mean? Have at it. It's the first time you get a little tipsy. Have at it, enjoy it. Now, again, I'm not condoning drunkenness, dissolution, becoming a waste stroll. Lord knows I've had my wrestles with the bottle. But what I am saying is there's
nothing wrong. Then maybe this is the mad in me. You talked about the Portuguese. That's definitely in my blood. And maybe this is the mad in me. But there's nothing wrong with having a nice glass of wine, you know, talking to friends and looking at pretty girls. There's nothing wrong with that. So I would say in the short term, I, I, I think they should go for it and they should enjoy it. However, always keep in mind that like, know when to say stop if you can.
And as you say, you know, they don't know shit. We don't know shit. But I think in the short term, I think it's going to work out fairly well. I think ironically enough, I think the short and long terms are going to be the most positive. I think it's the midterm that's going to be really rough because I think what's going to happen in the midterm is they're going to have that initial success. They're going to have that that
honeymoon period. And then they're going to realize that life takes a a hell of a lot of work and that it's great to be romantic. But as much as I am fond of criticizing, and I do mean that word in the strictest definition, not necessarily as a demeaning thing, as an attack, but as the actual word itself, a criticism. As much as I I find myself frequently criticizing women in the feminine spirit, I have never once denied that they are.
They are part of the great dance that makes life worth living, that they are part and of everything and they are necessary. Do I think they have gone out of bounds? Do I think the Yang has outdone the yin and caused an imbalance and started turning everything tipsy? Sarah Turvy? Yes. But does that mean it needs to be crushed and eliminated? No, absolutely not. The opposite of crazy is still crazy. So to bring it back to where I started, I think the short term
is going to be good. I think you're going to see a lot of growth. Simply wasn't possible because as you say, the smothering mother, I think you're going to start seeing things, innovations start happening again. I think you're going to start seeing a lot of young men just start taking the bull by the horns. Because one of the things that I find both both encouraging and also, frankly, if I'm being honest, a little upsetting, it's, it's both, it's bittersweet is the whole it's a
new age. You can just do things. And it's like, guys, you could always just do things. I've been screaming that since I was 13. You could always just do things. It's the fact that people listen to the Long House and they didn't bother is what got them into trouble. But I digress. I don't want to go down the road.
No, but hang on, let's just pause there for a second because I think that's that's really important because we've been living in this age of feminization and it started really at the end of the 50s and beginning of the 60s and it started subversively working its way through as a reaction to the Trinical Father. This is, you know, not excusing the generation or the age that came before it.
We can talk, we can call them the Great Generation for their sacrifices, but they also lived through three really disturbing periods of time, 2 World wars and a Great Depression, just a name, name 3 those men. And I knew those men. I knew those men when they were older. So they had mellowed a bit, but a lot of those men were very broken and it the boomers didn't come from any, didn't come from nothing. And our fathers were in some ways modeling and reacting to their fathers.
So, you know, broken, broken models broken. So I'm not laughing at a time. Yeah, go ahead. No, but it's it's it's laughable only because what else you're going to do is you either laugh or cry at. This one, right? Yeah. It's exactly. It's a Zen laugh. It's a Zen laugh. It's it's so bitter. True. You just have to please continue. I don't want to cut you off. My apology. Well, because I think it's all
part and parcel to that. You can just do any, you can just do things because because our, our, let's say our grandfathers were broken. They modeled broken behavior to our fathers and those our fathers modeled broken behavior to us. When I hear younger men start to talk about masculinity in these ways, you can start to see the broken, the the broken telephone effect because I see them saying things and reacting to things in a way that I'm like, OK, yeah.
But wait, you're, you're taking this. I can, I understand what you're saying, but you're, you're taking this in a, in a negative direction when you have every opportunity to not do that. So but they're, they're also reacting to this, to the 60 years of over feminization, to the point and back to your point, you could always have just done these things, but we were behind our mother's apron and not just our mother, but this feminine spirit.
So we felt like we had to ask permission that or else we get our hands slapped. And that just grew into a psychosis that that penetrated the entire generations. And we're still modeling that to the to the to the future generations. So that the hard part now is to isolate exactly, not just where we went wrong as a general sense, but where you're going wrong in a personal sense. And to isolate that down and to go, OK, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait. Right before I start to mouth off and make and make proclamations about anything. Where am I weak? Where am I affected by all this stuff? Because I think that I'm just cuz I can see it that I'm not directly affected by it is crazy and and dangerously wrong. Yes, yes, absolutely correct. I think it's interesting all these points you raised, because that was very much my arc when I lost my career, I started drinking and I had I had a decade long night of the soul
about extended suicide attempt. I've called it, called it in that on Twitter and in my books. So I, I, your, your words ring very powerfully in my ears, and that's what told. You, what spirit told you you had to have this career? Who set that desire for you? That's not a romantic desire. That's a pragmatic desire. Go get a good job. Make sure you, you know, make sure you, you button it down,
all that stuff. This advice could even have come from your father, but I feel like there's a feminine aspect to that advice. Ironically enough, ironically enough, it was a romantic dream I wanted to give back. I, I think what I think. I'm not going to discount what you're saying, Jason, because I think, sorry, I made that. Personal information probably made that more meta, but. No, no, no, no, no. And I'm glad you did.
No, I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did what you did because I think you're, I think you're correct, but for the wrong reason. And by which I mean my dream was always, I've always been a romantic. I mean, for crying out loud, just look at my Hoover like it's, it's incredibly romantic and all that. And I mean that capital R necessarily. But I would say that you are correct in the sense of the reason I chose that particular path rather than other things.
I considered joining the French Foreign Legion because that was the most female friendly way to be romantic to be again, capital R romantic in the the literary sense, you know, the heroes fighting the Dragons, saving the maidens, that sort of things. I that was the most feminine approved way that I could do it. And it still wasn't very approved. Women in my family, my mother and my grandmother, God rest both their souls. But no, they still didn't like it because it was still dangerous.
It was still a very mask. They wouldn't say this, of course. I'm sure they weren't even conscious of it, but it was still a very masculine profession. But at least I could soothe them by saying, oh, but it's a good job, it's secure, I make good money. So then they were able to, to kind of dial it back a bit. So again, I, I'm very glad you, you made it about me for a moment because that made me kind of think about, hey, is he right here?
And I, I think, I think he is right, just in at, at the wrong aspect. So I, I think there is some truth to what you say because I don't exonerate myself. As I said earlier in the program, no man has exempt his zeitgeist. I too was a victim of the apron strings. I too was tied like a marionette to the apron strings, but I tried to cut them the best I could and I would say even then I was not very successful. And I don't think it's a coincidence that I've spent
pretty much 20 some years. My first blog started in 2004 and I closed shop when COVID started to my second one in 2020. So what's that? 16 years of writing was all just trying to get men to understand how hurt they are, how broken they are. And not, not in a bad way, not to belittle them, but to say, hey, take a good long look at yourself and don't worry about girls, worry about fixing yourself.
And every time I would criticize women, I would say you'd also have to look and see that they're broken too. They they, they also come from a broken background. So you just have to fix yourself and then worry about other things. Yeah, as. The only fans phenomena didn't happen by itself. And we can point obviously fingers at the people who have popularized these things and made their money and etcetera off these things and they of course they are at fault.
But the motivation to even do such a thing has to come from something. And again, if you you you when porn becomes pragmatic. Yeah, well, I mean, that's exactly what it is. You're exactly right. Because why work? Why work at McDonald's for $12.00 an hour or whatever they're paying? I, I, I don't know why? Why work at Walmart for 15? Why, when you can just masturbate on camera and you'll make, you know, 3000 a week? I, I don't know, I, I don't
never used only fans. I don't pay for it, but I bet I've heard stories that that's what they make. So it's like, why would you? That's not a pragmatic way of looking at things. I mean, a lot of guys would do it if they could get paid that like that. Why would they want to work at Jiffy Lube? Why would they want to be a plumber or, you know, wade in in human waste and fixing septic tanks if they could just perform certain acts on camber and make 3 grand a week?
I it's just pragmatic. And that's, I think you're exactly right that that's exactly what drew them to it. And one of the things I say, one of my favorite posts to actually find me be so bold as to put it out there is to say both men and males and females over the last I I would say 50 years, but definitely over the last 30 are malnourished. They're just malnourished in a different way. Men were starved and women were fed snacks.
You know, men got scraps from the table, and now they're thin, emaciated, weak. Women have been fed cookies, candy, ice cream, soda for 30 years. And now they're morbidly obese, diabetic. And I mean this actually metaphorically, not even literally. I mean it as we've told them their sweetness and their light and their wonderful, but now they're malnourished, Now they're unhealthy because they don't understand that they do have weaknesses.
They do have flaws. Am I saying that that makes them evil? No, of course not. I'm saying it makes them human. And now that's why they're all on antidepressants, because they see that they have flaws, but everything else in the world has told them that they're flawless. So now each and every one of them thinks they're unique by having human flaws. So now they're all on fistfuls of pills to stay sane. This is why is, you know, especially in the West, because it is a Christian nation.
The whole West has been built upon by Christianity. And you have two models present in Christianity, of course, Jesus Christ, but his mother Mary or the Theotochus. And I think people have been really sleeping on it. And I think women, you know, women who I've talked to who get introduced to Orthodoxy are quite amazed by the veneration we give to the Theotokos to, to Mary, because the Mary, Mary is supposed to be a model to the women.
And in that model, of course, she's, she's with, she's without, she's as without sin as possible. She is sort of the perfected female form, right? The the one who please God the most. But in that model is her sacrifice that she knew exactly. But when her son was born and who her son was, what was going to be required of him? And she had to stand by and let that happen. And the knowledge of that coupled with her grace is why she's such an important model
for women. It's not just a, it's, it's that holding yourself up to a much more higher standard and is, let's say, perfectly pragmatic because you have to let your son be tortured and sacrificed for the good of all humanity, for all for all time. I can't think of anything more pragmatic than that. But it takes the greatest sacrifice. And you know, I, I think not enough attention is given that in our society, because of course we've moved away from all those things foolishly.
I think we're moving towards that at at a. Almost alarming the pace, yeah. And I would also point out, since this is another thing that I've discussed many times and, and forgive me if this I, I, I hope this doesn't come out as blasphemous because it certainly is not meant that I, I mean it with the absolute utmost, greatest respect. But as as a, as a Roman Catholic myself, a very lapsed one, but I'm as a deeply religious person, at least at heart, if
not in practice. I would also point out that one of the other tremendous things about, about the Blessed Mother is it's an exemplification and about as redeeming as as possible of the curse of Eve. You know, what was Eve's curse that she disobeyed God. And what was the Blessed Mother's greatest, you know, greatest thing was that she
obeyed him. As difficult as it was, as, as, as, as hard it was going to be for a mother to watch her only, you know, her child die, you know, be tortured and die. Like that's, that's the ultimate, you know, obeying of God. Like how imagine asking a mother to do that. That's, that's just, you can't, it's hard to even fathom. I wouldn't even try because I wouldn't know what that's like. But I mean, to me that's I, I think that's even more of a demonstration of her grace and
her importance. Just that, overcoming the curse of Eve, not only not disobeying God, but obeying him and probably the hardest thing any sane woman could ever do in her existence. Let's bring this back to bureaus for a second before we say goodbye to you, Charles. I'll try to make this a bit easier because I'm sure you've thought about this before. I'm giving you the magic wand, Charles. You're able to go back into into these bureaus and do do with them as you will.
What would what would the changes that's Charles Badillo would make to Homeland Security FBICI All of them are pick pick your pick your one if you want. What would you do to improve on on the the health and welfare of these bureaus? OK, I'm going to try and answer as concisely as I can, but I'm going to try and answer as thoroughly as I can. Was at least right that you had thought about this, at least.
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. You, you are 100% right on that one, Jason, you're batting really, really well tonight. I'm going to give you that. First off, I would say, and this should probably come as no surprise to your listeners or anybody that's been paying a great deal of attention to this broadcast, I would, First off, I'd get rid of a whole bunch of people. But that's a Gimme that that, that's just a Gimme. Am I get rid of? I mean, I would and I'll try watch what I say very, very
carefully. I would prosecute to the full extent of the law everybody that I could. And I would replace them with Romantics Capital R. Now is the time to get ideologues back in, because it's going to be a slog. It's going to be work. And also, I want Idealogs because I want them to use the rules that exist. And I've mentioned this on Thoughtcrime Syndicate, and I'm gonna mention it again here. I cannot, out of respect, use the man's name.
But I know an attorney in Texas, a good friend of mine, we've known each other for for almost a decade now. And he has said something that has just rung in my head for as long as I've known him and has resounded within me and my experiences. And he said it's much easier to turn things around than you think because all of the laws already exist. It just takes somebody with the will to enforce them. And Jason, I am a very flawed man. I will never say otherwise.
I am not smartest man on the planet, not the wisest man on the planet, but I am a very, in all senses, sadly, good and bad. I'm a very willful man. So I would happily replace with romantics. And then I would say we are going to use the laws that are already on the books. We don't need to create another law at all. I don't need to stroke a pen even in the slightest. And we are going to use everything that exists already to its fullest extent. And I am a firm believer in the
Pareto principle, the 8020 rule. And I would, I would be willing to bet you, Jason, I bet you a kidney, my own kidney, in fact, not not even somebody else's. I would bet you my own kidney that I could turn most of the problems in America around in two years, in two years. And I'll give you a brief
example of why I say that. When I was going to get my private investigator license in Oklahoma, it came to my attention that by Oklahoma State law, you are allowed, you, being the average citizen, are allowed to disperse a riot with a shotgun. You are legally permitted to disperse a riot by shooting a shotgun into the riot. What did the instructor say? Now, don't get any ideas. OK, So what you're telling me is you don't want me to use the law for the benefit of law abiding citizens.
And to me that is the biggest cancer in government, in bureaucracy, in administration this very day, and it has been for the longest time. And I, and that needs to go. That is what I would do with my magic wand. I would put romantics in charge, men that have higher ideals, men that aren't in it just to get their jollies by saying that they're the toughest guy on the block.
Men that aren't in it to just use it as an excuse to beat people up in a way, I kind of would want to drag people kicking and screaming into the job because those are the guys I know that aren't going to do it because they just have their own personal axe to grind or want the power. You know, like the Taoists always say, man, you should put on the throne is the one you have to drag kicking and screaming to it. But I would put romantics in and
I would say, let's use the law. And I think you would be amazed, amazed, Jason, at how quickly things turn around. Well, from your lips to God's ears, let's hope and pray that they what is started in America will be good and flourishing and will spread throughout the West in good and flourishing ways because Lord knows we need it. Thank you, Charles. It's always, it's always good, man. Thank you Jason. I love that. Love being on your program. Thank you so much for having.
Me. My pleasure, my friend. Ladies and gentlemen, I am Jason Maranchuk, and it is later than you think.