None. The. Hi, Thomas. That's Thomas saying hello, folks. Yeah, how are you doing? Good brother, how are you? Thanks again for making the time. I always appreciate these talks. You know, I, I sent someone months ago when we first started doing shows together. I'm like, it's, it's a very humbling kind of experience to, to have Thomas 777 on, you know, on speed dial essentially. So I, I always appreciate it man, when you can make the time to come on the show.
Yeah, of course I I appreciate being invited to do such things now. So got you here to talk about the BLOB specifically and then wind conditions and a whole bunch of other things that are kind of connected to this.
Part of the inspiration for talking about this whole thing is I think there's we discussed this when I had you on the show talking about Ukraine and even I think with Israel and Gaza is that there's people have to understand a wind, what a wind condition really is. And by setting your sights to these unfathomable, what kind of what you're going to conditions that sound good on paper and certainly, you know, can be a
cool narrative device. But in actuality, when you get boots on the ground and you're actually trying to do something, a lot of these wooden conditions don't make sense. So now we're having to lead up to the election 2024. You know, there's a lot of people gathering behind Trump and, and Vance and PayPal Mafia and all these other things that we've talked about on the show quite a bit. And I think there's a lot of people who think that by this, by getting these guys in, that's it, right?
We won and things will just get better and millions of people deported and yada yada, yada, yada. I think what they're really setting themselves up for is massive disappointment, partly because the, the, the election really isn't Republican versus Democrat.
It's people versus the system. And unless the system itself is is challenged and in some ways dismantled or changed in any substantial way, which is not going to be taken, which is not going to be done in four years by the way, by my my reckoning, then then we're just going to be caught inside this BLOB using
the term the BLOB. Mark Benz, the former State Department guy who's been making a bit of a career out of this, has defined it by by saying the BLOB is essentially the state combination of the State Department, intelligence community and the Defense Department. So the diplomacy, defense and intelligence agencies of the of the United States or the transatlantic partnership in conjunction with the corporate and financial institutions.
So banks and financial institutions and major corporations that kind of feed off each other and this explains a lot of geopolitics that we're seeing and can also explain conditions on the ground currently in in the West, immigration policies, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So as I'm sitting at that table, so you can dine there, Thomas, maybe we we can start with, is this where did this kind of start? I, as far as I can tell, it's begins this this sort of managerial states situation
starts to coalesce. We could say right before, certainly right after World War One and kind of comes into full fruition or partly full fruition after World War 2 with with a
new deal. It takes on a second form after the assassination of JFK and has now started to morph itself into this unworkable thing, which is both a good and bad thing for us because on one hand it's it's totalitarian and, and, and inherently evil and has to be worked against the the benefit now that we're seeing as it's, it's starting to fall apart in one way shape or form. So I don't know that's that's a lot of preamble for me, but where do you want to start with all that? I mean, what?
I mean, what are you asking me? Are you asking me like what the shape and configuration is, the power in America And like why it's like that? Is that what you're asking me? Yeah. Like, OK, so where, where does this BLOB thing start? Where, where? Because I think you've, you've kind of detailed this a little bit with Pete in both post Westphalian model that's kind of
collapsed. And then even with the creation of Detente, like there's like there's these mechanisms at play that are, that are, let's say, not no longer centralized in one
in one power verb. Because it's no longer, you can't say that the, that the president of the, of the, the executive branch really holds power anymore that these power has been dispersed throughout these, throughout these institutions and organizations that are acting both independently and, and collectively at the same time. And I think it's, it's, it's sort of, it's key to understanding exactly what we're up against and how we can make
moves on the ground. Well, yeah, I mean, if you're asking me like, what the configuration is of like the regime we live under, it's got nothing to do with Kennedy being murdered. Take it off the table. There has been there has been a portion America to basically like geld the executive. I mean that that even before Nixon, like the term imperial executive, they got coined during the Johnson administration and a lot of a lot of the accusations that were levied against Nixon.
I'm not talking about the Watergate nothing scandal. And I mean, like, in terms of, you know, what was suggested to the executive overreach and things like this, a lot of that began under Johnson, you know, and this idea that, oh, there's this risk of, you know, the executive like exploiting Article 2 and, and, and in the modern state, that's just too
much power for one man to wield. And they tried to piggyback that too, on this idea that there's some kind of conspiracy around the Vietnam War and that it wasn't really just kind of the realization of what policy was from Truman onward, you know, like things like that. I don't think power is really diffuse. I think it's incredibly concentrated, but it's not, it's not concentrated. And public official, though. I'm like nobody, nobody takes the government seriously anymore.
You know, that's why there's there's a what if these people represent government? They're they're like game show hosts like Donald Trump. They're like these corny, kind of like nothing people like Missus Harris, who, you know, like nobody takes seriously at the lower levels.
It's like pretty ladies in Congress who like pose in bikinis, but he's like weird gay guys who like just they're, they're kind of professional cocktail party guests, but they're, you know, they're kind of like a front man for, you know, various interest groups and things. And so their, their, their job is literally kind of just like represent those interests and, and in some kind of visible capacity in the US Senate. Like nobody, nobody takes that
stuff seriously anymore. You know, I don't, I'm not like a Trump hater, but Trump's not a particularly serious guy.
Like, he's silly and like the reason why like he gravitates towards Washington these days is because of what I said like 40 years ago, you, you would not have characters like Trump in Washington. Like 40 years ago, you'd, you'd have Elon Musk, you know, either in like a, a role like McNamara was, if the country was, was actively at war or in an advisory role that indexed very strongly with the National Defense establishment. Like Jerry Parnell was.
You know, he'd be very much a public intellectual who, who's, who's sort of bread and butter would be on the conceptual side, like, you know, developing, developing proposals that would rectify, you know, the, the strategic imbalance as perceived and, and things going into deep parodies and like stuff like that. So part of this is ideological.
The government you live under is not, it's not the legacy government of George Washington or something just with like high tech around it and, and, and more power. It's in 1933 was, it was as much a revolutionary imperative that created the Roosevelt administration as as it was revolutionary imperative like created the, you know, the
national social state. And in the same year and that, you know, two decades previous, it had, you know, created the the Soviet Empire. You know, it's an ideological
state. It's, it's objectives are social engineering, the establishment of a, a planetary government, you know, and the conditioning of human beings at scale to eradicate any, any historical or, or ethnic or sectarian or, or psychological basis basis of identitarian of, of identitarian self concepts, you know, other than things that, you know, the regime approves of. And that can be said to be truly like non political, like like theoretically, like anything can
be political. But you know, if you're saying like I'm not, I'm not a Christian or a Muslim or a Protestant or, or a white man or, or a black guy. I'm, I'm like a gay person or like, I'm a person who, you know, like believes in these like abstract social values. Like it's not really an identity, you know, in, in any
like precedent sentence. And it's not, you know, the, the reason, the reason those things are encouraged is precisely what I said, you know, because it, it, it, it takes, it takes the politicization of identity off the table and it, it, it, it renders man into, into into, into into just kind of looks like a nerd, like integer kind of. So I mean, that that's, that's, that's what that, that's, that's the underlying objective of the regime.
So like, if you, you can't really, like, if you talk about the, if you talk about the government, like it's like, oh, the wrong people are staffing it or like, it's because of like liberals or like Marxists as these like illiberate people call them. Like that's not the case. Like it's the the configuration of it is 100% tailored to implement this social engineering regime. And secondarily, it was tailored to fight the Cold War And it it it kind of accidentally put itself out of business.
Like people like Bush and Baker and like Scowcroft, whatever people think of those guys, like they, they were very sincere in and like with their vision for like the post Cold War world. Like they, this wasn't like some kind of Ledger made, but at the level of the deep state, like not even entirely consciously, like I, you know, they, it, it didn't know what these people and the institutions they served like didn't know what to do with themselves. Like after November 9th, 1989.
You know, that's why that's why policy doesn't really make any sense. Like even at the point again, again to people that like, like NATO was moronic, like even if you had this concept in mind just for the sake of a factual that like Russia is just like grave, like security threat, OK? Like you wouldn't configure a military alliance today like NATO because that's obsolete and it doesn't make any sense.
And like a treaty, like any law, it's only, it's only worth the proverbial paper it's written on if conceptually it reflects like actual circumstances, OK. And if you read the NATO charter, look, America's not going to treat an attack on Hungary as an attack on the United States, OK? That's not that's not going to happen. That's ridiculous OK, so this idea that like NATO just must exist for the sake of existing and it's like some moral
imperative for it to exist. That's bizarre, OK, but it's because of what I said it's because the regime's not really structured to do much. Like it's not even really structured for a globalist imperative, you know, because it's inflexible and it doesn't it doesn't apply power and and nuanced way. And you know, even even stuff like at the level down to like the company operational level.
You know, when America deployed to Afghanistan, it was like it was like following these like Cold War imperatives, like we're going to train indigenous forces. It's like to do what like fight the imaginary Soviet Union. Like that's not how you do things.
Like if you wanted some kind of forward deployment in Afghanistan, you know, to kind of like, you know, to kind of, if you know, to kind of keep Kodak standard Bay to, you know, to, to be able to like, you know, deploy against the the Russian Federation in Central Asia, you know, to kind of like put pressure on India. Do you want like, OK, get that. But running around pretending it's 1963 and you're in Vietnam and you're training indigenous forces, that makes 0 fucking sense. OK.
So that's, that's a big part of it. The problem with people thinking that, you know, and you know, at policy level too, like everything that's happening right now is very purposeful, you know, and I, I'm not looking anti Donald Trump, like I hope Trump win if an actual election is held. I'm not convinced that there's going to be an election. Why wouldn't there be? You know, but assuming an election is held, I think it's Trump's race to lose. And I certainly hope that he
wins. But JD Vance is a piece of shit, you know, and Trump doesn't care. Like the the significance of Trump is that he's the candidate of the silent majority and his emergence was like a game changer conceptually. And, and and for the reason like history shows Trump kind of like history shows Nixon. Oh, Nixon was out of the farmer, like impressive person.
But this idea that, you know, there's this like invasion of the third world and her auspices of like refugees or immigration, like this isn't something like accidentally happened or it's not because like the system is quote, UN quote broken.
No, nobody's going to stop that. Like even like even if like JD Vance was like an honest to goodness, like white nationalist and not and not some like piece of shit, like he wouldn't stop because the the regime derives its entire mandate from the fact that like this is an ongoing emergency. You know, like that's why. And I mean, there's precedent too. I mean, look at like, like the Sinaloa Cartel does basically whatever the hell it wants. And so Washington's like powerless to stop that.
Like when when Escobar declared he was, you know, he put a price on the head of any DEA agent in Colombia. Bush's like that's not happening. So like Bush had the guy whacked like like you straight up like had him killed, you know, and I I wasn't at the time and I'm not now without only some direct action solution is the way to fight the that's not the way to stop narcotics.
OK, but you do have to return to serve if your credibility is being threatened by by what amounts to like some some dope pushing mafia. You can't allow that, you know, but it's but this stuff is you know, the whole like people like Vance and and people like Trump. And again, I'm not I'm not like anti Trump. They, they, they derive their entire career life's blood from the fact that, you know, these these contingencies like aren't going to be fixed.
You know, so they represent kind of like a pressure valve for, you know, kind of like middle of the road people who don't really understand the nature of these things. You know, they're going to feel like they're striking back by like going to Trump or they're like, Trump's going to like fix like the police or something, or, or that he's going to like deport like criminal aliens. Like it's not going to happen. That's not doing things work. And, and the post Australian
state is actively dying. I mean, like I said on, on Pete's podcast, I, I'm, I'm, I'm all going to be dust. Like by the time it totally dies, it's going to be like, you know, it's going to be like 2 to 300 years, but it's like it's not it's, it's, it's totally obsolete. You know, it's this idea that it's this robust thing and you know, some kind of like right wing vanguard needs to capture it. That's totally fucked up thinking. But I mean, that's if I understand that question correctly.
I mean, that's the best way I can answer it. Yeah. No, I mean, I think, I think we're covering a lot of ground. The, the challenge always is concept is, is this conceptual issue that I think has to be addressed and has to be smashed down. You know, one of the reasons I started doing this show or one of my personal reasons was to what I, I said it was I needed to break the liberal frame. I needed to break free of it to be able to see it and see what, what exactly this thing is.
Because I've been defining myself as a liberal and up until probably somewhere in, in 2020 is when I just finally said I can't, I can't, I can't ride with this stuff anymore. Most because it's, it's, it's providing too many contradictions for my brain to, to be able to deal with. Like you can't have all these different things on a, on a personal level, you can't believe in all these things. When they start hitting, you know, they start smashing each
other in the face. So to rewire yourself conceptually and to see things clearly, it's, I'll put it this way, and I think this is devotilling to something else you've said on the show is that this political game isn't for everybody. And part of the reason why it's not for everybody is that you got to start. You have to be able to distance your your heart from your head. You got to take from the things that you want to be true in this narrative that you're going to create.
Someone in the comments said tell King Pill that Thomas is attacking his boy JD Vance. I want to get into that a little bit because when you you started going against, you started going hard on JD on, on XI guess a week ago, whatever. Yeah. No, I, I don't, I don't want to talk about JD Vance anymore. I mean. Pete No, no, no. But yeah, no, no, I mean, you can ask me whatever you want, but I just. Yeah, I go ahead. No, it's, it's, it's not even
really an ask. It's, it's, it's, it's a clarification for anybody who's coming to the show and, and wondering about this stuff. I won't speak for Matt, but I'll speak loosely for Matt, myself, Pete and a few others. We've been saying since the very, very start with the PayPal mafia stuff and, and a lot of these other things that we're telling you explicitly that these people aren't our guys.
Like stop thinking that because someone says something that you, that you like that all of a sudden he's, he's your boy that you got to ride with this guy. Like as you said on X, it's like JD Vance is not picking up the phone to help you. No, no. I. Mean there's that. Too, Yeah, I mean, people got to people got to think locally. I mean, corny as that might sound and you know, like not not being F e.g. GOT who like thinks like regime personalities or like looking
out for him. But it's also like people get obsessed on these like one issues that I mean, it's like, like, even if like JD Vance was like this big, like immigration restrictionist and he was like sincere about that. Like the whole like, like, so we wouldn't suddenly like live in this like worldly heaven if like immigration stopped. Like, yeah, that is a big problem.
But it's symptomatic of, you know, of a historical phenomenon that is, is, you know, is, is, is, is incredibly dangerous to us at, at political and, and, and physical level, you know, like it's not. So sometimes there's that too.
There's like these like one issue motherfuckers and they like can't shake that out or something like they're just like similarly obsessed with something like immigration or like gun rights, like again, both of which are like important or they think that like personal prejudices are like politics. It's like, like the fact that like, you don't want blacks in your hood or you like, you don't like Mexicans.
That's not politics. That's like some kind of like social problem, you know, like, yeah, I don't want mass immigration either. And yeah, there's people I there's some people I prefer to be around and some I don't want to be around, But like you're not, you're not like standing on politics. You're like, well, I don't like N words. And it's it's great, man. What do you want? You want a participation trophy
or a pack of gum? I mean, it's, you know, but that's why, you know, like I said, man, it's like 900% of people it's like aren't in the fucking game, you know, and it's like, I don't it's and also too, I mean, like I said, like it's not, there's an entire apparatus to like import the third world here. That's not just going to like go away, OK. And even if, even if you start enforcing existing laws again, like the Raisin vitro, the
regime is social engineering. Like that's why they're doing it, you know, and you know, these personalities like Vance, and again, I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to deep dive into him. I, I don't want to talk about him anymore really. But you know, they, they build entire careers on the existence of these policies. Like without those policies, they wouldn't have a career. Like that's why they're here.
You know, it's, it's like a guy sitting your house on fire and then coming back 20 minutes later to sell you a fire extinguisher. And like when I call him my asshole, you're like, hey, he can put the fire out. You know, it's like it does not compute with people, you know, But again, I'm not here to make friends or like educate people to think like grown-ups. But it's you know, I'm not trying to like G check people hard as fuck either.
OK, But I mean, I do have my own like little litmus test. And it's kind of like also I insist on like if people are going to like do business with me or like associate with me deeply in any capacity or like expect me to like cosign on their brand, I basically insist like they come here like literally in my physical space and like hang around me at least
like every few months. Like I'm not talking about guys like you are in Australia or whatever, but also you don't like make demands on me to like I do things other than, you know, you know, it's not to host me on your streams and stuff. But you know, I'm not going to fuck with guys who like live on the Internet and think that and and think that like they're politically engaged because like they don't like N words on the subway. That's fucking that's literally
like mentally retarded. Everybody's just kind of a rant, but you know. It is. It is better. These these things need to be said and these and these things aren't being said in a lot of our sectors of the Internet. Everyone just caught gloms on to being a dissident and they don't realize that being a dissident isn't an idea, isn't a group, isn't a political Action Group or an NGO or somewhere. We're not doing that.
It's a vibe. And you got to get with the vibe and and the and the vibe isn't just like, you know, wearing a
button or some bullshit. It's it's it's it's living it like you got to live it. And one of the things just to return back to the to King pill and all the rest of us, what we're talking about, and this goes into PayPal Mafia, Vengeful Sun. A lot of the things we've been talking on the show quite a bit is what I'm trying to get through to people is like, look, when we have a breakthrough and we start to see things clearly, what it affords you is the
opportunity to start making some choices, right? And, and to start and to start aligning yourself to people who are also making the same choices. So This is why it's really important to get through your head that the PayPal mafia and those guys, the technologists aren't your, aren't your friends. They might just give you a window of time where the boot gets off your neck for a little bit and you can start making
some moves rapidly. There's also, there's something to say there's a real hubris to these guys too, man. Like if you read, and again, I don't want to, I don't want to get into some big like stupid like Internet fighting with people about Peter Thiel or something. But if you read the guy's own words, man, it's like very and like his book, it's like very, it's like very like Epstein. Like like I'm not, I'm not suggesting teal is like a sexual offender. I mean, I know he's gay.
I've I've no reason to believe he's like victimizing underage people. I'm not saying that at all. But this like transhumanist, like bizarre shit. Like, you know, we can do nanotech. We're going to, we're going to become immortal and we're going to, we're going to index with machines and like upload our consciousness, like really crazy sick stuff. Like he believes in that shit. Like he's not just like writing science fiction and it's not just cap to get people talking.
He believes in that. And it's also he's the same motherfuckers, man. These are the guys who decided they were going to like cancel Trump. You can't cancel a president of the United States. Like who the fuck are you? Who do you think you are? You know, like you, you, you, you have some like veto power over political discourse now. I mean, like they literally
think that though. Like they think that this cognitive elite, they think that they're, they think that they're almost like an ethnicity into themselves of, of like, like that are like however many like standard deviations like above the normies. Like they think that like they were no like weird sex stuff because they're like, oh, we're like, we're like beyond what breeders do. Like I'm telling you, it's like a whole ideology.
I'm not just talking trash or something like they're really like sick people, you know, and the fact that they're into like eugenics and stuff and some like arguably like right wing things. That doesn't mean that they're like dope and based. It means they're like really, really, really weird and like kind of drunk on their own hubris. And they live in this like weird bubble of like billionaires where you can like do whatever you want and like, there's not
really consequences. And people like literally go crazy from that kind of thing. But I'm not saying TO was like a he probably was not a very nice guy like before he became wealthy and powerful, but it it's very corrupting. OK, so I mean, these guys playing you, you, you, I mean, it's not a good thing that Trump's like be holding to these guys and it's not at all OK. That's that's not Trump's fault.
Trump's an old man. Frankly, I got like mad respect for him that he like took, he took a shot to the fucking Dome and he's he, he came back without fear and he doesn't seem particularly shook by it. But I mean, Trump's a hairy,
tired old guy. And I mean, in any, whether you're talking about when you're talking about our kind of bizarre and unfortunate system or ancient Rome or the 3rd Reich or like wherever you're at in time and place, if you're a politician, you need people to, I mean, shit costs money, OK, not to vulgarize it totally, but you've got to find people who are going to patronize what you're doing. So I mean, it's not Trump's fault, whatever else I can say
about him. But the fact is he's like accountable to these people, man, you know? And that's not a good thing. You know, like I said, I'm not convinced an election is going to happen. But if it is, I absolutely want Mr. Trump to win. But that's not the point. And I want Trump to win for a struggle reason. It's not because he's going to do incredible things on the policy front. But I don't mean to struggle reasons like, you know, protecting the record or something.
I mean, you know, in terms of like where we're going and, you know, checks on, on what informs the kind of ongoing moral discourse, you know, stuff like this. But but yeah, it's not no, go ahead, man. No. It's all right, let's get into where we're going, but let's first we'll do a pause for the 'cause this is the mid show grift. Let me just play a little bit of this.
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essentially creating. I mean, the term is the network stick has been used by more of a technocratic kind of element. But I think one of the things that you're doing and, and others are doing as well Metaprim is is involved in this is a whole bunch of our guys, especially the younger guys who are really involved in doing this. I've got my own project that I'm working on in the back in the
background. So one of these things is, is essentially getting people together and, and actually being able to use them and use, I shouldn't say use, but directing people, you know, harnessing human capital. And in my my lingo, I'm saying that we're going to, you know, harness human capital to produce civilizational capital. We can call this parallel societies.
There's lots of jingo terms thrown out there, but it's but the way I see it is that no, no matter how things shake out in November, the the OR January or whatever, they freaking announce anything, the task still remains on us. The white man has to rebuild society for, for for ourselves in, in our image. That task is not is going to be ongoing. That's a generational thing that doesn't that no election is going to change that mandate.
So maybe we can speak on that a little bit because I see a little that, and I know you've talked about this in the program before, but sort of the the importance of creating that network. And since you're more on the ground in the States than I am, obviously, maybe you can speak directly and start getting out some white pills for people who are feeling like that this BLOB thing is is too big to to too big to fail or or is just going to dominate their lives for for
from now until eternity. Well, I just don't. It's just, it's a, it's either a lack of perspective or people just fearful of any punctuated, of any change, like either long duration and kind of gradual or punctuated, you know, I mean, the point of people again and again, man, like bad as things are now, like 30 years ago, they were, they were, they were exponentially worse. They, it, it was awful. Like I didn't, I didn't realize so much at the time.
Like now that I've got, I mean, now that I'm old, I mean, that's part of it. You get old, you get perspective on things. But it, it, it was fucking horrible, man. And like everybody hated us. Like everybody hated us. You know, I remember, I remember Randy Weaver getting smoked or his family getting smoked, and it was awful. It just a whole, I mean, they, they shot a woman holding a baby. Literally. It's not a cap.
It's what happened. I remember reading it in a Metzger newsletter and I remember on CNN and I and there was even people I knew who were like, yeah, the guy, the guy was a piece of shit. He was a Nazi. Good. I mean, that that had never happened today, man. Like something like Waco, people wouldn't tolerate that today. Like burned a bunch of little kids alive, you know, just because and, and, and, and whacking crashes because he had, you know, unconventional beliefs
and stuff. Like people wouldn't tolerate that today, man. And I used to have to, I mean, it wasn't just me. It wasn't just like what guys? I mean, I grew up in a really nice hood. I'm lucky, man. I grew up in the North Shore, which is like freaking awesome. But you know, if I wanted to go anywhere, like outside of my little hood, I have to like plot where I went, man, because in broad daylight, I you'd like get stomped out if you're like a white person or killed like
that, that's unthinkable. Now, man. Like, I mean, don't get me wrong, like Chicago is like a mess and there's still like a poet. Like I will not go to to be like fucking. I mean, I basically go everywhere, but it's like I'm not, I'm not going to go fuck around in like little village like after dark and just like poo. I'm tough or something. And like you will get like like you will get fucking dropped there.
But my point being, man, like we're not, we're not in the cross bugger race war between like our people and blacks, OK, Like we're not I, I, I'm openly right wing and like, if anything it, it, it, it makes people like gravity to me want to talk about stuff like 30 years ago, like people would like be like, fuck you, you're a piece of shit. You know, like, like we were fucking people hated us. Like now I would say virtually
mainstream. And also even somebody like me, man, if I, if this was the 80s or the 90s, I, I'd be like working at Kroger like. Overnight or like driving a truck or something and like writing and like, and probably like sending my content to like the IH Metzger war newsletter and like maybe 20 guys had read it, which is what it went fine. But now I mean, I, I, I've got 10,000 subscribers to my sub stack. You know, I, I can like I'm not getting rich, but like I'm monetized.
Like it's basically mainstream to talk about, you know, how court history is, is is a fallacy. You know that it's it's, it's totally changed man. And also just like the Mobil, it's way cheaper to travel. Like commerce is way easier. There's always like there's always like there's always like non traditional commercial banking structures. Like you can send money to people, they can send it to you. It's there's a record of it, but it's, it's like not above board in the same way there's a
crypto. It's not a huge fan of crypto. If there's nothing wrong with people, if that's their drive, you know, and just I, I'm not going to see where it is, but you know, I'm, I'm planning to start spending winters in this town where like a bunch of the fellas live. And it's like a deliberate community, man, like organically developed of like people like us. And they all go to church together, like they homeschool their kids together. Like we all try to get jobs.
Like, you know, some of the guys like on real estate, they like rent to our guys. I mean, like, it's like night and day, man. And you don't need to fuck with government stuff. You know, I'm limited in how I could even I want to do because I'm a convicted felon, obviously. But I I don't want to, I want nothing to do with that shit. Like, not just because it's fucked up and because they want bad things that happened to me and my people, but like, why? Why would I want to fuck with
that stuff? That stuff sucks. It's stupid. It's like literally like stupid, fake and gay. Like, why do you want to fuck with that? Like I realized there's some guys like if you got like a wife and three kids and you know, you like you're, you've got a law degree or you got you. So you got to like work at some like big city law firm or like you got you're like a molecular biologist. So like you work at some big like medical company and like you got to say, OK, yeah, I get that.
But even that man, it's like, I don't, I that's why I don't like respect guys anymore where it's like they live this totally fake life and they're like afraid to be seen in public with people like me. And it's like, bro, like, so basically you're like some like Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde motherfucker. And you're like, you like live like a fake life psycho. Like that's fucked up, you know, and a lot of it's just like a cope for like coward Easter.
I mean, some people are just like afraid of I probably got a higher tolerance for like literal chaos in a lot of people and it's probably not a great thing. OK, so I basically don't ever worry about anything. I mean like even if like the shit totally the fan, it wouldn't really bother me. Like I know that's not what I'm not saying because I'm like a bad ass or like a survivalist. I mean I am an urban survivalist.
But what I'm saying is like psychologically like honestly, I would not bother me. And it's probably easier for me to say as like a single man without kids. But point being, I think people are basically built one way or the other and they're like basically comfortable with that kind of disorder or like really, really screws with their program. Like psychologically it like really throws them off, You know, I mean, don't want to be
wrong. I definitely got like a Teutonic fixation towards order because like my German granny, like my dad's always making fun of me. He's like my sock drawer. But I'm also like totally a piece like in I, I don't know, man, like just certain conditions that probably should not be objectively as like a civilized fucking human. But no, we're our mandate, our mission. What we do is secede from government shit as much as possible, like rebuild, reconstitute and think in
generational terms, man. And that's exactly what we're doing. And I continue to be like shocked and in a very positive way and amazed that I didn't think any of this would take. I knew that I knew that eventually this would happen. OK, But I thought I'd be like long dead. Like I thought it would happen like 100 years. Like after I died, I, it kind of blew my mind to see it happening, start happening like about like 810 years ago and then like five years ago, like
really in earnest. And I'm like, wow, I'm really blessed to be alive. And, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm pretty, I'm pretty old, but unless I, I, I'm not planning getting took off the shelf by man, beast or act of God anytime soon. So I, I think I'll at least be around a couple more decades. And then, I mean, I, that's a real gift, man. Cuz in my own small way, I get to contribute and especially cuz I don't have kids of my own.
The fact that like, young people are willing to hang around me and like having me on deck, I mean, that's, that's a great honor, man, and approval. Yeah, I mean, I've said, you know, I have one, I have my one daughter.
I've said that unless you have kids, if, if you don't have kids then and you and you want to be politically involved and you have to give a lot more in some ways, like having kids is a little bit of almost a cheat code because biologically you begin to respond and it's, it restructures a lot of your thinking and a lot of your, let's say, vision for the future because you're not just living for yourself anymore.
So the, the, I guess the desire to sacrifice becomes almost easier when you have kids, when you don't have kids, you really have to be, you have to motivate yourself. And I think in, in different ways. And I mean, this is, you know, one of the reasons I always give you a, a healthy dose of healthy dose of respect because you don't have to be doing what you're doing.
And yet you're doing it anyways, 'cause you're, I think you're, you're cluing into something that I unfortunately clued in too late, which is, I'll, I'll put it this way, the BLOB, the regime, the system I think started going made us big fractical error probably. And I don't have the exact date, but from my casual observation, somewhere in the 1970s where they got really over their skis and they kind of began this, this system of a, of, of attacking the white man.
And I'm using this as I'm not even using this as a racial identity kind of way. I'm not an ethno state kind of guy. But at the same time, this sort of anti white SIOP starts to really take hold.
I As far as I can tell, somewhere in the 1970s I. Mean they progressed the Cold War had a really deforming effect and one of the reasons I objected so precipitously when people claim that like people like Missus Harris or people like Chuck Schumer are like Marxist like they're they're not like at all like Marxist. There aren't, there aren't any
Marxist anymore. But but but aside from that, like these, these people aren't thoughtful people like like first of all, but secondly, the kinds of political values they abide and the, and the kinds of things they probably like take a knee for. It's it's dialectically related obviously to the 20th century paradigm, but it's very much like it's own thing, you know, but it is, it's very much a quote UN quote like liberationist ethos.
And that's why, you know, I'm like very much a Hegelian, you know, like, I don't really see how you can, if you're, if you're at all like inclined a political theory and you're like right wing. And I don't see how you could like be like a non Hegelian thinker. But so I, I probably put more emphasis on, on the dialectical process at scale and some people, but I mean, like Zeitgeist is a real thing, man, you know, and that's why that that's the way you got to understand it.
And this idea of, you know, well, we got the the only way that the only, the only way that the world makes sense in sociological terms, like a conceptual level is OK, like what? What's the oppressor cast? Or at least like the overcast. Well, it's not, you know, obviously, you know, it's, it's, it's not, it's not a strictly labor and capital paradigm because that that that concept, that consensual model failed. OK.
It must be like racial. It must be like the white people, they're like oppressing the brown people, you know, they're like this overcast. You know what I mean? Obviously that, I mean, even if that was true, like So what? Like that, that would why, why, why, why should I fuck with that? Like, you know, I'm not like right or wrong. I, I don't care if my tribe and most evil motherfuckers like tread this earth, you know, like I, I, I stand or fall with my own people, you know, like, like
I give a fuck. But beyond that, it's that, that, that obvious isn't the way things are. But you know, again, it's, it's very much sort of like a fixed paradigm, you know, and even people too, I mean, most, you know, I, I'm on some people like read your King James Bible and read Aristotle, man. Like a lot of, a lot of answers to like the big and basic questions you can find there in and like a lot of people are natural slaves.
And, you know, like, that's, that's just like their outlook and they're not, they're not capable of understanding political phenomenon. So I'm like a matter of like intelligence, man. Like I run into people all the time. I guarantee you that like, if we talk an IQ test, they'd probably like smoke me on like an IQ test. And like, I'm not like really good at math, you know, like I can't, I can't like engineer a
fucking bridge or, or something. And I can like, I can take like engines apart and I know how they go back together. But that's like about the extent of like my engineer. It's not a question of like intelligence or whatever. It's like you can do what you can't. And it's, it's, it's, it's like, well, I, it's a spiritual quality almost, I mean spiritual, like literally like
your immortal soul. I mean, it's like a sum total, like intangibles that make up like how your mind like like processes and indexes information, you know? And like if you're, if you, if you basically like the mindset of like a natural slave, it's kind of always awaiting orders, always looking for some kind of figure and authority, always looking to take his cues from like some like social superior. Like you're not going to be able to understand this if it's going
to be totally alien to you. You know, it'd be like trying to teach. Maybe it'd be like trying to teach somebody who can't read, like complex linguistics or something. Yeah, I mean, this is this whole woke thing that's was taking over the narrative for the last 10 years. Both pro woke, anti woke, all that stuff. They're just retreading these ideas that aren't their ideas. They're they're fucking parrots.
And you know, at first you when you're dealing with something that's a new and novel and new, it can seem like very scary and weird, especially how it spread. But we're we're seeing the ends, the ends of it now because it's again, they're just, they're trying to retread retreads to the point where no one's no one's buying this, not because they're actually ideologically against it. They're fucking bored. No, nobody actually believes in that stuff.
I mean, I make that It's like, OK, yeah, I realize we go to like any town USA, you'll find like dipshit normies who like say they believe in that stuff. But these these people would like if it was like 1940 and like Comrade Stalin was the boss, they'd like say they were communists and like they lived in, if they lived under like Napoleon's reign, They, they they'd like say they love Napoleon. Like they those are like it's victories. They, they don't actually believe in that stuff.
Like it's. Tables Green grocer. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, it's like especially I know that like a lot of kind of, I know, I know like Normie Khan's always talking about the quote Yale and jail coalition. And yeah, there is there's nothing worse than some Ivy League fuck wad who like lionizes like lump and pros or
something. Like there's some like noble element that's really fucked up. However, like street people and rich people, they're both basically realistic, you know, like the former are like ignorant and often like kind of feral. Like the latter are like naive and don't really understand like real life that most as most people live it. But they, they, they understand that like man is basically not nice.
Like they understand that people's motivations generally, particularly ambitious people, you know, are selfish. They understand that like politics is like a lot of cap and bullshit It it's kind of like the it's kind of like the sensible center that are are are like most guilty, like slave thing, you know, like the lump bands are like dumb guys.
They they probably better off enslaved, but they've got like, but they have like a more realistic attitude, you know, and plus you've got to like look at what people do, man, like not what they say. Like I, I know basically I, I go a lot of different places, man. Like I'm not saying like I'm so great or I'm some like great ambassador of like my race or something, but I'm around non white people constantly because they outnumber me 1000 to one here.
And also like I have to be around them if I'm going to like do things I need to do like in my life. But like, sometimes like I seek them out, just like observe them and like what they're doing, you know, and I never see like other white people doing that. And like these people are supposedly like Uber woke and like hate my guts. They're like afraid to leave their house and like they avoid darkies. Like, you know, they they avoid
them as much as they can, man. It's like, obviously they don't think that, you know, I mean, if they did, they just like move to the hood. Like wouldn't they like it's everybody's identical and there's nothing fucked up about the hood, so you just go live there. But they don't man, you know, and they're the ones, it's just like the motherfuckers who like, I, I called some of these people out on it during the summer of Floyd. I'm like, look, man, I'm like, you're the ones who call the
police. I don't like my friends don't. It's like you fuckers do. They're here for you. It's a you call the police when you see people like us, just because you're Dicks, you know, it's like you want to you want to defund the police. Go ahead, man. It's not going to fuck up my program if this is your shit. You know, they don't want to defund the police. They call the police if fucking they somebody looks at him
longer than three seconds. You know, it's all you can't, you can't go on with people say I every, everybody tells you he's like a hero and A and a great guy and, and you know, some kind of bad ass like people. Everything people say basically is bullshit with the exception man of like, I'd like to think I basically always honest with people. You know, I mean, there's times I won't say anything and don't disclose certain things.
I don't lie to people when I don't pretend like I'm better than anybody, But I mean, most people are full of shit, man. We're supposed to take at face value. So you Oh, I, I believe in total racial equality and you know, like white privilege is a thing. Like I said some fucking guy who like lives in like the whitest hood he can afford like you know lives his life basically like avoid non white people like the guy doesn't believe that shit he doesn't give a fuck and come on.
Yeah, and on the, and on the counterpoint to it, you have a lot of people who are rah, rah rawing ethnostatism. And I'm like, OK, fine. Like show me your plans. I'm I'm open to, to anyone showing me something that is where's your OPSEC? Well, what's, how are you? How are you producing this? Like, what's your plan? Well, it's. Also too like it's. It's always like make someone else do it and it's like, I'm not doing your thing for you, man.
Like what do you well, I'm supposed to put my neck on on the line. I'm supposed to invest all my time and energy and all this stuff to make your little plan work. Why the fuck am I doing that when you well. It's also it's, it's retrograde thinking, man. Like, I mean, you people should be thinking at community level anyway, because that's what
life's about. And at the end of the day, you've got to, you do have to think about your, your life and the people you love and people in your orbit, you know, you got to give that priority. But it's also like the Westphalian state, people think they have their mind. They think that like this basically has existed for like 40,000 years or something. Like it's not, it's not some
permanent thing. Like it's basically something that all told, you know, it's probably got like a couple 100, like the vestiges of it'll like endure another couple 100 years. But it's already dying actively. It's been dying for, you know, for for a century and a half anyway. Like it's not it, it's, there's nothing like perennial about it,
you know? And it's, it's this idea that, you know, there's a yeah, the way that like the natural political order is, you know, having like a state boundary like around here, like everybody speaks the same language and like indexes with the same sect. I mean, yeah, obviously like the basic humanitarianism is ethnos and you need like homogeneity there. But it's not what I'm talking
about. Like I'm talking about like the national state, like a constitutional Federated government, like that, that that's basically, you know, a late modern concept that's becoming obsolete, you know? So my producers just walked in the room, so we should look to wrap this up. One super chat from TK Thank you for $10. Here's an interesting question to throw to you, Thomas, before we say goodbye.
Great to see GOAT T777. Haven't been catching things live because I'm doing things doing IRL stuff. Any advice to us rootless Drifters on how to find a community? I'm tired of being a stranger and a mercenary. Yeah, man, you should make yourself approachable. I mean, when I go, when I go to these places, you know, where like our people congregate and where I'm planning to start, you know, like living a good part of the year. If you want to come with me, you
can. I mean, you got to you got to like introduce your like I said, I'm not trying to like G check people, but this doesn't happen overnight, man. Anybody who wants to like I basically every day on one of my platforms, I like literally take my phone and like show you where I'm going. And if you want to approach me on the street or it like shits in, that's totally fine.
But you've got to do things like that, you know, and if we get crumbled with each other and I introduce you, the fellows and the girls and they like you, well, great. But that's how things. I mean, that's, that's human life, you know, but I'm not trying to like suggest your basic or something or be pedantic or something, but.
No, but you've. Got to, you've got to be out there and yeah, like index of people, man, you know, like and, and, and reach out to them and they will and they will respond, man. Like, if I can do it, I mean, I'm generally good at talking to people and like, I never had in superficial terms, I never had problems making friends. But I mean, let's be honest, man, I'm kind of like a strange guy, OK, It's not like a Mr. fucking Social.
If I can do it, anybody can, man, you know, like it doesn't take. You don't have to have some like great finesse or something, you know, I mean, plus it's natural like people, they can't turn an impulse to something people need. They you know, otherwise they die and they they fall into despair and become. And and they die. So I mean, it's, it's a Basic Instinct, you know, and that's why people are, are, are, will respond, man, if you want an index with them.
And at least people have been striking this as a me like I'm making it easy, you know, Yeah, it's, but a lot of this is in like God's hands. A lot of it just like happened. But yeah, just don't, don't, don't be shy, man. Put yourself out there. Yeah, be useful to find a use. You know, one of the things I was kind of thinking about this the other day, two of the people I was drawn to almost immediately, it was yourself and Tommy Salmons.
Because I recognize there's some sort of unsaid kinship.
One of the things that kind of defined my life for the last 40 odd years was I always felt like a misfit that, you know, I was always just it was enough of something but not enough, but not all the way in. Like I could have, you know, I just didn't jive with middle management, even though I could be really good at things or, you know, I I had opportunities to do a life of crime or there's a whole bunch of other things in my in my back history where if I had just really kind of fit in,
things would've been much different. But I never fit in. I never felt really comfortable in a lot of in a lot of those groups because eventually you always reach someone. You're like, now you're just irritated me. Now you're just fucking. Pissed. It's also it's I mean, it's like geography of nowhere stuff. And I'm lucky. On the one hand, Chicago was like really there's some pretty like macabre stuff. This is not an easy place to
live. But on the other hand, like people, including me, are actually from here. I don't have like deep ass roots here. Like my folks are from Los Angeles, but you know, I am from here. I, I know my neighbors, you know, there's like a real, there's like a, there's like a deep culture here and people like jealously protected, you know, and it's not just like, it's not just like some like nowhere town in like Colorado, nobody's actually from.
And it's like, well, you know, the only church around, just like local mega church. It's only chain restaurants. And like, even even the randos who you, who might be your neighbors, like after a few years, they move away in new randos move in like you can't, you can't build a community out of that. But you know, like I said, social media, one thing is useful for people spend like too much time on it and and they expect too much out of it.
But it does allow you to like shout out information and like fly a flag, quite literally. And you know, you it does. It does allow you to like index with people like we're there is a communitarian a communitarian bases possible. But the yeah, I'm going to I'm going to raise up in a minute because frankly, I got to stretch my legs. I'm I'm dealing with some inflammation. Not to be like a lame old person complaining about his aches, but yeah, it is I. Got it.
I got it in my feet and have been waylaid for the last like week and a half because of it. I'm walking around with a cane so I I understand man. Yeah, no, I mean, it's fine. I it's just. Yeah. No, but we should. Yeah, for sure. Again, Thomas, thank you so much man. Oh, no, thanks for inviting me, man. I appreciate the, I appreciate the your hospitality always. It's, it's, it's all I can give, but it's, it's, it's maybe not much, but it's, it's what I got. Maybe what we'll do, I don't
know. I'll see how you rock with this. But I got some upcoming projects. But maybe I, I would like to get you on maybe again, when things calm down and everything to talk about Hegelianism. I've been, I've been dining on on, on Kirkegaard quite a bit right now. But I think, you know, we can branch out from some of the nitty gritty into more conceptual basis stuff for, for people to kind of wrap their
heads around. Because, you know, just to get back to where you're saying this, this political stuff's not for everybody. That doesn't mean you can't be one part of the 1% if you just can't. If you're not political, you don't want to be political. In fact, I hope, I hope to live in a day when when, when politics gets fucking boring and useless again.
But but that being said, it's it's it's you do have to challenge yourself conceptually on some level to kind of see things as they are, not just as you want them to be. And yeah, we can. Yeah, we can do that man. Just September 1st or after would probably be best. Like, next week is convention week, and then I got to try, I got to try to West Virginia at the end of this month. And then that's my last. I don't have to, like, travel for a minute after that. So yeah, like September 1st,
man. We can talk about Hegel on a dedicated dreamer or something if you want. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Madame, Mr. Thank you again for tuning in. Like, subscribe, share, do all the things. Please do go over to Thomas's stuff and consume. Show your love and supports and we will talk to you again very, very soon. Just hang on, Tom, the.