Hey there. It's Melissa. Brunetti and welcome to the mind your own Karma podcast. Hey, their karma crew. Welcome to another week of mind. Your own Karma. Thank you so much for tuning in today. I have another adopt D story for you. I will be introducing you to Dana oh Zack today. And what I love about Dana's story is the positive spin of the adoptive parents, she had
great adoptive parents. The other interesting thing in this story is Dana Also had great reunions although there was some twists and turns that you will learn about in the episode, she's had a pretty great adoption experience all the way around. Let me tell you a little more about Dana. Dana was born at st. John's Hospital in Cleveland in 1973, she was adopted through Catholic Charities in November of that.
Same year, her adoption was never kept a secret from her, but she still wondered where she came from. She was able to find Biological mother's name after the state of Ohio released her original birth certificate. Sadly, she also found out her biological mother had passed away, and there was no birth father listed on her birth
certificate. The journey to find her biological father and uncover the truth about her past, with Centre, through a roller coaster of emotions, ultimately it led her to positive connections with her younger, maternal half-sister, biological father and for young half-brothers, here is my View with Dana. Oh Zach. We are welcoming Dana. Oh, Zach to the show today. Welcome, Dana, how are you? Hello, I'm doing great.
Good. I know you have a few interesting twist to your story, but let's just start with. Do you know why you were put up for adoption. I have guesses and estimations, but I don't know for sure. Unfortunately, my biological mother passed away from ALS Lou Gehrig's Disease before I even do. Aim. So it's like, I've never really know. You were told some things though, or. Yeah.
When my biological father met me for the first time, he told me that when he last met her, she was pregnant with me and she flat-out told him that she was going to give me up for adoption. And that that's worry about because the baby wasn't his and, and he thinks that she could have possibly thought that. The baby was his because the timeline everything, but I don't think she even knew for sure. So, mmm. Okay. And why did your adoptive parents decide to adopt?
Well, my mom had supper three miscarriages, okay? And she was told that she wouldn't be able to have children at all. So they went through. I'm Catholic Charities and everything. I think just before 2 days, before my mom's birthday, they got a call that said, hey, we have a child reviewing everything. When it comes fear, in my mom's over, you're like, yeah, definitely. So my mom and dad went to go see me and they brought me home on your birthday. No, wow.
I never were able to have children. Actually, they did three years later. My mom got pregnant, and the social worker contact her. Again, she goes, you know, I know that you had another application, and I know that you wanted to give your daughter a sister, a brother sibling and P node. Are you ready, do you want another child? And my mom said, well, I'm pregnant.
I know if I can and social worker goes well, I know that you've had problems having children past, I'll just kind of slide your application at the bottom of the pile. I want you to call me when this baby's born and my mom did call her and she came out to see. Both me and my sister, my sister was born. So I have a sister that's three years part and after that my mom thought that she was done, it was just going to be two girls, but seven years after that.
My mom too kind of claims has like a little bit of New Year's Eve. Why she got it again? And the brother, that's 11 years younger than me. So, I was the only one to adopted my sister and brother were poor for naturally. I guess you could say something. Wow. So, how was that growing up? Being the only one, that was adopted. Did you feel different? My parents go. They never treated me. Like, I was differently.
They always treated me. Like I was their daughter and everything growing up, like we were doing the Troopers, did kicks everything, you know. I think because I was adopted liver, think they always kind of tried to tell me. It's like, yeah, the thing that some adoptive parents will say in everything, I do your special, we chose you and everything, you know, but they never treated me any different
other than that. Hmm. And also, when I grew up like after sister to a little bit, like my outfit Optimum a little bit like my sister too, and I would have tell people telling me there's no way that you're adopted. You look too much like your mom. And yeah, there's no way. I feel like, well, that's kind of cool though. I guess you did have a little bit of mirroring even though it wasn't biological.
Yeah. So sounds like you had a pretty good childhood growing up, then good adoptive parents and family household with parents, you know your adoptive parents had a good upbringing. I did, that's great. So what was it like growing up then know different maybe a little bit different. I went to Catholic grade school and I I was kind of bullying, a little big for being adopted. Well, like I said, I had people tell me that there's no way that
you're adopted. You look too much like licking rest of your family and everything. And I had one boy in my class told me. Well, if you're adopted, I want to see proof of it. I was like ten years old at the time. So I asked my mom will see anything. On my birth certificate. Don't see what I was stopped and she goes, Dana, you know what? You shouldn't, give it to him and everything you should just pay, it's like tease them back. Rebecca, you're asking for proof is on birth, right?
It's like, hey, you know, I was 10 years old, I was dying. If I wanted to prove to this idiot that I was actually adopted. So she got me on my birth certificate. And she explained to me, that what I had was an amended birth certificate and 1970s in Ohio, they changed it and they were the names of the adoptive
parent, right? And I'm over here, I'm like, okay, you know, if there's, I can't show this to him and she goes well, if you really Want to, I do have the core papers from your adoption but it's like after that I just figured, you know, I'd do anything to prove to him but when I look at the paper, the document I just felt as much as I love my mom. And yet, this is the LIE. Yeah, this is the truth and if I ever wanted to find my biological parents, how am I
going to do that? Because there's no names, there's nothing you know. Yeah. Did you ever get your original birth certificate? I did in 2015, the state of Ohio. The law that adoptees between like the 60s and the other way up to nineteen eighties could send like a certified letter and I think for like 10 bucks, you could send away for your original birth certificate. And when I heard about the first thing I did was call my parents because I didn't want to do
anything to hurt them. And my mom goes, they not a always scared that this time would come. And she goes, if you wanted to go for it and everything, I'm behind you, 100%. She also told me of, if she were in my shoes, she wouldn't do too. So, I started my own son dollars and two years later and like, 2016-2017 I got my original birth certificate. Wow, what was that? Like, you're wrecking thrilling,
you know, exciting. I finally had the name for my biological mother and my husband who had been supportive of me like from day one, everything he goes well with Kevin a know, why don't we like Google it and see what we can find and the first thing that Found was to Rob see your picture, and I was just in shock. The face is exactly. Like my even the hairstyle was exactly like mine. Wow. It was just like looking in a mirror. The second thing that we found was her obituary. Yeah.
Oh my gosh. How did that feel heartbreaking? Yeah, I'm over here. Looking up the I'm never gonna know. I'm dived. Have so many questions for a never going to be able to ask her under the obituary. Three. I saw that. I have an aunt that was still living and I had a half sister. Oh wow, some were relocated. Should I read talk to them? What I do and my husband's are
really well, why don't you try? See if he could find your deaf sister on Facebook. See if you can find anything about your aunt or Facebook. Why don't you just look? So I am I did find my half sister Juliana. I sent her a message on Facebook, I don't even know she had forgot the first message because I never heard anything.
Back from her. And then with my aunt, I found out that she was living in Lakewood and I did a little snooping through the Cuyahoga County voter records because I knew that you could search for by address and everything. I found her address and we're like well so I write her a letter, I'd caught about it for like a minute, least like a good year and then in 2017 that I just started, you know, if I'm gonna contact her, I have to do it now. So that was my only resolution that Eric's.
Like, I'm going to write a note to my aunt. I'm going to introduce myself and if I hear back from her wonderful, if I don't it's okay. But I have to at least try. So I got the feedback from some family and friends and everything. Sent the letter back and she called me the day that she got it and my heart just doing some really does she know about you. She suspected, she was a lot
younger than my age. And she suspected and she gave me the name of a possible biological father because his name wasn't on the birth certificate at all. It was blank. Yeah. It was like, oh wow. So by that time, I had asked my husband if I could get on the ancestry DNA thing because I figured since there's no name on there, may be the next best chance of finding my biological father is to do that again. Hmm. So I didn't get any matches like
right off the bat. I use the The name that my eventual gave me and I searched the ancestry DNA based on everything and found out that that gentleman had passed away too. So, I'm over here, like, okay, what do I do now? Both my parents are gone. You know, how old were they, when they passed? Um, my biological mom was 60, she was in her 60s. Okay. So it's this recent that you start searching how long ago was this? Pretty recent because it's like we've prior to getting my
original birth certificate. I didn't even know where to start. I don't know what to do, you know. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, my biological father. He was meeting in his 50s. Okay, well those here's the twist. So did you meet your half-sister? Then, after that, and It's a little bit time for drilling or another kind of warm up to me, because I look a lot like our mother and everything and she thought that she was the only
child for years. Yeah. Oh she didn't know about you, then she had no idea. Wow. Yeah I can see that being kind of Blindsided in like really are you and you know, all the questions like I don't know if you've had this conversation with her, but how did she feel about your mom not telling her? I think she thought that her mom had girl reasons for not telling me and I talked to like a family friends and Son everything and our mother was very concerned about what other people thought
about her. She didn't want Julian isn't think anything less of me for giving me up. So, let's see. You know, I'm thinking that's why she is the way she didn't tell her. Yeah. So how did it go with your aunt? Then sounded pretty positive. Yeah, we called each other a couple times. Times everything we didn't meet until like, maybe about. I want to see like ten months later, we finally got together and went person.
And she told me stories about my family, everything, my grandfather, her dad was in the Navy was pharmaceutical salesman, but he also told me that he was a wonderful artist and my kiddos and artists to like constantly like drawing and and I like to draw too, but she told me, you liked the story that they had, they were always in red.
Holmes growing up and they were just getting ready to move out of like one holding everything and pretty and my grandpa just decorated like the walls of this house before they were getting ready to leave with like all these silly, goofy, characters and everything. And then also pumped out that my my biology or maternal. Grandmother is a school teacher and I'm schoolteacher. Now at preschool teacher, so
welcome interests. So, you know, it's like even though I never met them, they passed away to. I just felt like I had this connection to them, right? So, what happened to your dad side then? Okay. So, um, I had met several people, the family, everything my aunt, Susie on have passed away, but her first husband reached out to me and we got
together for dinner, everything. He was very interested in like genealogy told me. It's some awesome family, stories, everything to and you can add a family tree that he had / now for me. I'm really glad this is cool. T traced are like this I find all the way back to Ernest Hemingway. It's very very distant cousin.
So it's like, oh, wow. But then, when I showed him, my DNA profile, he like looked at it, and he thought that if the guy that Aunt Jill told me was my biological father, I would have had more Serbian because he was directly from Serbia, and so, he didn't tell me right away. He actually, Called me at the urging of the second wife and told me, it's like, taking AA know how to tell you this. But if made it was really your father, you would have had you
more Eastern European, right? Then we'll be like, okay, so what do I do with this information? So, for the heck of a, I check my DNA profile again and I had parent-child manage. Oh, wow. Yeah, right after I check that, wow, yeah. Like little clues for me. Everything he left me the clue behind to his LinkedIn profile. I got to see a picture of him and then I called some, my little Steve, the guy, they went out to dinner with them. Give me the family tree and
everything. And we're like I have here a child yet. Ryona what to do, you know, how do I contact him? Does he even know anything about me and I'll go see if those dated you want me to call him for you? Oh nice. Yes, please. And so Uncle Steve call them for
me, maybe. Be five days afterwards, Uncle Steve's wife, Elizabeth called me and she goes Dana I didn't learn Chinese at the time everything and she goes I don't want you to talk because it's like I know that the truth return and now that you're just going over later and I guess, but I just want to let you know that Uncle Steve called they talked to your birth father. He always kind of sort of knew
about you. He wants to call you once to contact you but he wants Tell everybody in the family first because you have four half-brothers through him. Wow, that's great, though. Because there's I've heard so many stories where the biological parent, you know, wanted to meet their child but hadn't told anybody and still wanted to continue to keep it as a secret and not tell anybody.
So that's very thoughtful and you know of him to consider that and want to do that first and then bring you in. I think he told us about everybody in the family before he called me and told me I talked to him on the very first day on st. Patrick's Day 2017. So I always remembered and everything, it's like that's that's the anniversary of the first day. They talk to him. It's like, we have our own little family group where I talked to him, his wife, all for
my half-brothers. We have her only text group and like every year, it's like I'm really happy anniversary. So it's like that's always been my lucky day. Like, I felt like I live in the inaugural. Yeah. So you met your brother's your half-brothers then? Yep. Um, he met everybody. My hip one of my half-brother flips and Key West. Well, he looked in Key West when
I first met him and everything. When I first wanted, first are talking to move to Orlando recently, but he was probably like his youngest in the family, everything and the most
outgoing. And kindest guy I've ever met he's gay when you called me the first thing that he said Dana, you have no idea how much I've always wanted a sister, it was very hard for going up in a house will call guys being gay going skating on my sister they told him well you got me forever now he's the youngest youngest he's the baby of the family. Are you the oldest or did with her kids? The oldest lived in Minnesota. And then Jason actually has a twin Jeremy. So I have twin brothers.
Okay but are you older than all the boys? I'm older than all the place. Okay. So I'm the oldest of everybody. So how was it meeting? Your dad. Have you met him in person? He was when I first met Sarah talking to, everybody. My youngest brother was in the process of getting married and he invited me to the wedding but I didn't think That can make in everything, given her to arrange it all the way down to Key West and we live in Ohio and everything.
Yeah, still my father lives up in Minnesota and he called me and he goes, well, we're going to be driving down to Key West for Jason's wedding. And he goes, do you want us to meet up like along the way you want me to do more, really kiss? Definitely, and I was all excited. I told my husband and he kind of tease me a little bit and it goes well we should meet your biological father. You would just be too happy. So, that's when you met him was on the drive. That's when we went out to
dinner. I got to meet his. It was actually, his wife's idea to drive through Ohio, to meet me because she found her biological father herself. Later in life, she was actually older kid growing up with a stepfather and everything and she didn't find her biological father and was until she was older. And she told him, it's like Jay, we have to do this, we have to meet your daughter. Daughter because she knew what
was like, you know. So yeah so it's like I was really blessed in that respect to that's cool that's one way to get to know someone is on a road trip. Oh yeah, you guys better get along and you got to meet everybody at the wedding and I had to be like a huge family reunions, all of a sudden, go for the bait on their own, I wasn't able to like get up at the time off for work and everything, okay. So they drove We met up for
dinner. We went for like a nice little walk, just me and him and everything. He told me about what I told you about, how he met my biological mom for lunch and she told them don't worry about this business. Not yours. Yeah, just pretty much come out the equation. Yeah, so, but it kind of sounds like he had a feeling that he was your dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, how's the relationships with everyone else? Still get it. Sounds like it is. I just talked.
Talk to both of my youngest half-brothers this morning. I called them because their grandfather on their mom's side of the family and passed away. So it's like when they saw their when you recharge them and just make sure that they were okay. And yeah. And yeah, I think I'm probably closest to the Quinns. I think April. It was an April 1st. We all went to my oldest half brother's wedding. Everybody else was too that everything in and it was wonderful.
When I feel like I'm a part of the family. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like you're pretty close to your dad's side. What about your biological mom side? Is there, like, not that many relatives on that side. Side, your aunt and sister and A couple cousins. I don't hear from them as much as I would like to and Juliana two years ago, we made a road trip. I asked her if it was okay if we if we made road to Vacation although we have to Colorado to meet her and she's a really kissing with love man.
So I'm good we made the trip. We went out to dinner the day before my birthday. She gave me a cute little card and everything and Esther. I'm a really care. I Love Sushi and everything. And she actually likes sushi too. So we found like a cute little sushi place and just sat and talked and we had a whole conversation about Tim Burton movies.
I didn't doubt that she likes her paper holidays Halloween cheat has been a little spooky side that I had when I was growing up and it seemed like nobody else in the family, did you know? Yeah, I know that feeling. I just want to go back to your childhood for a second. Did you say that your adoptive mom made you two first? Cakes. Yo, and her birthday because she got me on her birthday, everything she would make up everything for her and then kind of like a got you a cake to
celebrate. You don't like both stuff. Yeah, so looking back. When did you learn that? You were adopted like you always knew or yeah. Yeah. So growing up knowing you were adopted. Did you see any Tendencies or even in your teenage years? Here's that you can look back and say, oh, I had trouble attaching because I was adopted or tendencies that could stem from being adopted maybe a little bit like in the fact that like I was bullied like a little
bit high school. It's hard to talk about, but for a time, I was actually a wrist cutter. Mmm. Yeah, yeah. And I thought that like, by doing that, they would get the bullies to stop. Yeah. And then I actually had a friend that did commit suicide and and see it. In it. So it's after they happen, I cut it out, I just stopped. Wow, if I cut my wrists to car, if I actually broke a babe, you know, it's like I couldn't do that to my friends and family. Just scares you. Yeah, yeah.
And how about, like growing up as a teenager or young adult? Were you able to connect when you start dating, when you met your husband? Were you able to connect easily, or do you see some Tendencies there that adoption might play a role in your relationships? I was definitely able to connect with my husband everything but when we are getting everything it's like I keep some stuff to myself and everything.
I know I keep some things in because I'm afraid that if I bring out and everything I'm afraid of like the reaction so that's like the biggest thing. They always tells me that Dana why didn't you tell me that sooner? Why didn't I remember? Like, I don't know, I just keep it outside, you know, it's right. So yeah. So So let's talk about the fog for a second. Were you ever in the fog? Are you still in the fog? If you come out of the fog, you
use that term at all? I don't think I was her father. When I was younger, is like a older and the biggest perk of being in fog. They found myself with now, when everything is, I feel like I was skipped out of a lot of things with my half brothers and my half-sister, they never got to see my kid Owen. When he was growing up everything. It's like I just feel like I was totally dipped out of that. You don't like They missed out on so much because we were denied access to everything.
So that's part of the fog. I guess you could say that they see myself in right now. Yeah. So, do you feel like your half-siblings, you have that sibling Bond, like you do with the siblings that you grew up with? Do you feel like you have that same Bond even though you didn't grow up together? I think I have maybe to be honest, little bit more of a more of with the siblings that they're going to grow up with that. You didn't grow up with. Okay. I'm very, very close to my
paternal. Twin brothers, I've gotten closer with Julian just since we've actually met in person, but right now, it's hard to get together with my sister, everything. My adopted sister only loves like 20 minutes away from me, but she's always busy. She's got things going on and it's hard for me to get together and Hang out with her and then my youngest my youngest brother.
It's hard. He looks all the way up in Louisiana. I was able to see him when my oldest brother got married and everything because they only live, maybe about like 20 minutes, half an hour away. So we got to drive down - spend time with both of my brothers, which was awesome. Yeah, nice. Yeah. Nice because I know sometimes adoptees because you don't grow up with those siblings, it can be hard to connect with them so that's great that you're able to
make that connection. Action without having that growing up experience. I think a lot of those because my brothers have all been like open and honest with me and Julie has been open and honest with me everything to do what they've shared pictures with me. They've shared stories think to be with Giuliana so yeah and that does help because a lot of times the communications not there so if you have that I think that is huge. Yeah it does really help. So do you think I'm going to ask you?
I don't know if you did. Consider yourself having the Primal wound because it sounds like you had a great upbringing and everything. But do you think that you ever had the Primal wound and do you think that we can heal from the Primal wound? I think we can heal from the Primal would I he hasn't maybe a little bit never think. I don't think I ever felt it like growing up and everything just because I had the wonderful relationship with My adoptive families. Yeah but no because I don't have
my mother in my life anymore. If it's fair it hurts because there's so many questions that I would love to ask her. Yeah, so many things that I don't have answers to. So now I think I feel it more than because I don't have her anymore. So yeah. So what's helped you personally in dealing with your Primal wound or any adoption trauma that you have or had what do you use to get through that and cope maybe your art and what else you're working in right journaling.
Talking to like family and friends and everything and you know just having the support of my family of both families of My adoptive, family of my biological family, everything just having them to talk to and know that they will be there to support me everything and then writing. I've been working my Memoir, everything like writing all that stuff down. It's like just like one big
journal for me, you know. Yeah, I was gonna ask you if you were doing that with all your journals, how long have you been writing? since I was maybe about like, Eight or nine years old. Oh wow, do you have all of those journals still? I have my the with my teenagers, I saved his life, just like reading and how. It's like, wow, anybody else? So the other question I have for you is what would you tell struggling, adoptees, what would you want them to know to help them?
I would want them. To do with it, even if it seems like it's hopeless, like you're never going to find like anything about your past. Anything about your biological family to not give up, you know, just try every up and you're trying, any aspect, everything know, if you haven't got the DNA records like right away. Everything, you know, just keep looking because you never know what can pop up. Like what happened with my biological father and
everything, I know. Yeah. So so you have a website, tell About that I do it's called a girl for families.com. I have a Blog that goes along with it and they just recently started working on each. One of the family pages, I have like pictures up the doctrine from different family members a little bit of little stories about how I met them how I connected with them. I care about a couple resources for adoptees someone is
searching everything. Yeah, so for families, so meaning Or to biological parents and then the two families from your adoptive parents. Well in the nose, so my berry family of okay, so yes. So the family that got to me the family, they married in two and then my two biological families. Okay? So you have like a Blog about each family? Yep. Just like a page for a tablet. Mmm. And what about your art? Do you have your art up there,
as well? I have the book cover for my book example, in watercolors, everything in the my kiddo. I actually encourage me like, Mom, why don't you just make your own? But covering everything. I know that you love to do though. So it's like, yeah, sure. And then I'll probably, like, post more pictures. I've done up there and everything to do so, have you done a manuscript? Then as it turned in or you working on it? Or it's still a work in progress?
Get this recently, I started going back to school. I am in the process of getting my Bachelor's degree in early childhood education. So a couple months homework kind of occupied my time. In addition, I work full-time everything, I work full-time as a preschool teacher so it's like I really didn't have a lot of time, Sit Down, You're right.
So that kind of got pushed by the wayside but this number is like you know I don't have any homework doing going on, I can bring on the weekends, I can work on my website and the weekend so I could dedicate more time Time so that it. So yeah, I can definitely relate because I'm in school to working doing the podcast. I feel like I have a huge plate as well. So I'm totally relating to you right now. Are you involved in any adoptee
groups on Facebook or anywhere? I went to see you look at least like four different groups on Facebook. Someone might just kind of follow some of them sometimes Something. Do you find this helpful at all? I do? Yeah, I did too. To help them function, with other adoptees. Everything's to know that there's other people out there like me. And so, yeah, I know growing up. It feels like you're the only one. I don't know if I know I had a neighbor that was adopted.
She didn't find out till later like, in high school, so, but she was probably the only other adoptee. Well, I'm sure there was more but, you know, I don't talk about it. Look at my best. His friends growing up was adapted my friend Kelly. Wow, with the original birth certificates came out, we both decided the same time I called Kelly and over for you. Like, do you want to do? And she goes yet, she has made
you wanted, and she goes. Yeah, so we both did it and well my biological mother's name was pretty uncommon. Hers was Susan, Kent, and she didn't think that you would ever find anything out about it like after all this happened. After I finally met My brother's everything I still had access to my ancestry. Can I still at the paid account? Someone really just for the heck of it, I'm going to search through the and see what I can find.
And I found her half-brother and then I reached out to him for her and he reached back and he sent a picture of their mother and it was just like looking at me or it's like killing my gosh. So I helped her find her mother too and it's like the you know, that was awesome. Logical mother had passed away too. Oh God. Yeah. Right. Oh gosh, did you on your original birth certificate, did you? Did they name you something
different? None of the original birth certificate on the, on the other adoption record. She gave me Marie and I always knew there was something with Catholic Charities, they give you non-identifying information and They told my parents that they named me Marie, the information that they gave me on my biological mother was pretty correct but the admission that they gave me on my biological. Father was way. Are they told me he was there?
He worked. I think the janitor at the college that she was going to and that it was married to another man and that goes more with what the research that I did and I'm a name that my aunt Jill gave me. So I think that when she gave me a her Adoption. She really thought that this other guy was my father. Yeah, so she gave him all that information. Yep. It's got passed on to you which wasn't true thinking that that other guy was your biological
father. Did you meet anybody on that side or get in contact with anybody on that side? No, because once I found out, they passed away, it's like I didn't wanna. And plus I did find his marriage certificate still, he was married. I didn't know how to do that. Yeah, that's gonna be kind of sticky. Several, well, good thing, you didn't because it turned out, he wasn't so good. I know that would have been horrible, like, trying to connect with these people and thinking that and then finding
out later that that wasn't true. I've heard that story to a couple times, it's not that's horrible. Well, we'll put your links to a girl in four families in the show notes. If anybody wants to check that out, they can. And is there anything else that you wanted to say before we close? We cover everything not really? Yeah I think I got everything.
I have been following like some of the different state to state fights for to get the original birth certificates, released and everything and I definitely am a 100% Advocate more because that's without that paper. I wouldn't have ever found my family. So yeah, I'm in California so we don't get that much. I'm so surprised because we're just so So you know, open about everything else. I'm surprised that they're one of the states that are still
not. There's there's probably about like 34 of them that still are in the dark when it comes to that. So yeah, yeah. Well thanks so much Dana for coming on the show today. You're welcome. It was wonderful to meet you Miss Lilly. What a great story. I just love hearing how hurry Union is going so great and how she feels so close to her siblings. You don't hear that very often. So I just love hearing that part of her story and I love the fact that she's not afraid to say
that her adoption Journey went. Well there's so many adoptees that have a great adoption and positive adoption story and they're afraid to say anything because So many do not have that story and a lot of people don't want to come on the podcast that have positive stories because they feel like it needs to be drama and have all this strife and discomfort in it and it doesn't no matter what. Your adoption story was contact, me. And let's get your story on the
podcast. Let's educate the world about adoption your story, whatever the circumstances, whatever the story needs to be told so that other Stop.
These can hear it and say me to that feeling of community that we adopt, these have is so important to all of us, not only in our healing but just to be able to talk to one another, someone that understands what we're talking about in the way that we're talking about it. So if you've been thinking about coming on the podcast, send me an email, at mind your own Karma at gmail.com, and let's do it. Let's tell.
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