You're listening to the Mind Triggers podcast with 9 Nils, Juicy, Henny, Luke and Jay always in the background. And remember, the whole team gotta win. This Jay always in the background. I'm Juicy Henny, Luke. Now today we have our new podcast guest, She's a Siren from What Kinky Game, Kinky Game Night, and other other Adventures. Now let's start. What intro. She's a writer, a businesswoman. Masturbation enthusiast a lover of liberation. And also exploring all kinks and
fetish queen. There we go. Welcome. How you doing? I'm doing good. How are you guys? Thank you. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate you of. Course, of course. Now can you tell us about the kinky game night? Can I tell you about kinky game night? OK, but like, what part? That's kind of like a broad question. What is it? Yeah. Start off with that. So Kinky Game Night is a body kink and sex positive space that advocates for elite expression and expression of self.
It's it, you know. Our tagline is what would you do with the freest version of yourself if you could not be judged, if you didn't have to come in and think about your occupation, your income, your how every action or move you did would. Judge you or you know have consequences. What would you be doing as the freeze version of yourself and kg N is that type of playground? Nice nice little playground. Interesting. I like being free. Don't we all?
So how long has it been around? So KG N was formed in 2019. The year before, yeah. But The thing is, is that so like we did it for like 5 months in 2019 and then I did take about a year off to just like Focus. I was still out of traveling. I lived internationally at the time. So it was a little bit difficult to manage that and be living abroad. But then when I came back to the States and in the latter half of 2020 and it's kind of started back up, that's from COVID and
everything like that happened. So it's been like consistently operating for about a year. Nice. Who? How do you come with like the concept? So I it it, it was off like a sub business of. The first business that I had that was called We Keep It Candid and We Keep It Candid was like a game based interactive forum where we like, you know,
it was a community forum. So we talked about all things black people, black people in love, black people in dating, black people in King, black people in sex, black people in double standards. Just like really exploring our interpersonal relationships with each other and within that because we were already an interactive game based. Forum. We were like, oh, well, let's try like different events. And in Los Angeles, like, game
nights were really popular. And Taco Tuesday, excuse me, Taco Tuesdays were really popular. So we were like, OK, how about we do like a Taco Tuesday game night? We're like, what are we going to call it, kinky game night? So that's kind of how it happened. We didn't think that Kinky game night would become what it was. It was just supposed to be a type of event within. We keep it candid, but then it
became like its own entity. So I I heard you say we so like who so is you have partners in this or? I don't have partners, but I do have, like, Dream Team members, yes. OK. And you guys you said based out of LA. Yes, some are based in Dallas though we just we we have a second like like it's like our second primary base like our secondary base when's. The one coming in Jersey. I definitely want to hit the East Coast, but New York would be like the the the priority for me for sure.
So what's the what's the process like like you gotta like sign up subscription base, pay monthly to join. No. So you have to pass our vetting process. We have what is called the EVE vetting process. It's. Like a background check. No, it's like a intuitive like video session that we do to figure out would you be the ideal type of person for our community And once you pass the EVE vetting process, then you'll you're able to purchase tickets, but it's not open for the public.
Like just because you have the money to attend doesn't mean you can't attend. You have to be vetted and pass vetting and not everybody. Actually, a lot of people don't pass. Wow, nice. So face cards ain't working. Y'all. Are there any rules to the King Game Night? There's lots of rules, but the primary one is consent. You know, like, don't touch people. Also, just recognizing that it's not a sex party.
You know, like that's also why we have such elite vetting systems is because you know, spaces that are like. Three like ours, you know, that's like very body positive.
You can come naked. All these things within that you have to like make sure you're only dealing with people that are like high caliber type of people on energetic level because some people will come thinking like oh man, okay, I can pay this high price ticket and I'm about to get XYZ and it's like, no, that's not what it's about, you know, like now can that type of expression happen? Yes. But it's actually a small percentage of people that do that.
It's it's like an energy realm that people pay to get into. Like it's a it's a unique vibe that is hard to kind of experience in the real world because the real world is so fake. Everybody has masks on to preserve their livelihood, you know, to work to, you know. All the labels that they have, whether they're a mom, their sister, their friend, their community member, their politician, that requires them to put on certain masks.
So people pay what they pay, and they seek out spaces like kinky game night to be free. You know, who would what would you be as the freest version of yourself that might look like sensual intimacy with another person, but often times it's not. It's just the energy that they're paying for, like the the realm of that type of space. That's. A good concept. Right. It's a very. Good concept. So how do you like, sign up or
join? So if there's like an experience or something like that, I mean people can get vetted before an experience, but usually an influx of like applications will come in when an experience is about to come up. And they would they would go through like our vetting process and then after they go through our vetting process we would ask them what tier do they want to buy into for that event. And each event is different like.
Different events offer different you know, it could be a solo ticket, a duo ticket, maybe they want a VIP like like section experience, like that's up to them. But before they're able to attend, they do have to pass getting. They seem like one of things. About reaching out to the page. They seem like one of the things you got to know is going on to know about it like if you're not in that community you not, you would never know anything about it it seem like. So I'll say that, like, kinky
game night is a little bit. Yes, in the sense of like, I think that kink culture in in general like to find a kink space that or like a, you know, like that type of space that's for you. You do have to. Yeah. It's kind of like, you know, if you know, but also, you know, because KG N is not a LS, which is a lifestyle party and it's not a sex party and it's a, you know, like the name of it itself, kinky game night.
Like it's a game night. There's performances, there's activities, there's, you know, all of these things. It spreads a little bit easier on social media than some other like underground type of like LS or sex party scenes. So we are a little bit more mainstream than some other brands that might kind of be in this like see my same industry. Now for the people, I don't know what is LS. Lifestyle. Okay, yeah. See, I had no idea. I was lost for a second. Yeah. So what's the Siren Woman
family? Yeah, so siren sorority is it's a it's a sorority that it's a femin powered sorority that you know, acts as that constant energetic. Space for centrally empowered women, centrally empowered films within the sorority, you know there's a lot of perks, you know so like we do vacations, we have like our siren outings for sirens that are entrepreneurs, you know, like they get like a six figure siren mentorship under me. I'm a like I I'm I have like extensive experience and
mentorship from. You know, like a lot of six and seven figure entrepreneurs, I myself have always been able to accumulate, you know, 6 figure businesses. Talking about hold on, hold on, we got a celebration, yeah. I'm not a 7 figure entrepreneur, yeah, but I've definitely have reached like that six figure. And so it's about that though, you know, for people who are like an entrepreneur, right? It's like how do you? Build a business that has an
internal ecosystem. Because when you can build an internal ecosystem within your business, then you are destined to be 6 and seven figures because you're gonna have people naturally aligning to your vision, but it's their vision too, so they're gonna work just as hard as you. And you don't have to have so much overhead because everybody has the same vision, you know? So it's about. Taking your business model and figuring out what is that
internal ecosystem like. So like for instance cyber sorority for instance is the ecosystem to kinky game night. Because cyber sorority Soros pay, they pledge an annual membership fee and when they come in they get access to a lot of resources, they get access to a lot of tools, they get access to learning. How do you make money? Premium price as a centrally empowered film. And also they gain the database and the resources of KGN.
So a lot of times pay into the arority, but they'll end up making that money back by working through KGN and gaining that experience, gaining a role like they could be employed by KGN. So it becomes an internal system. It's like. You're literally paying into your own future.
You know, you're paying to make money with the company, whatever the case would be. So it's figuring out what does those internal ecosystems look like with your own business, because you can always, there's always an internal ecosystem, you know, It's just about figuring out where is that, like how do you eat? But also make sure your team eats so that the business can build, expand, because a lot of
businesses are. From an individual and nobody's going to, you know, that's where you got to be paying all this. It becomes so expensive because your business only sets you up for success. It doesn't set anybody else up for success. So ain't nobody about to be thinking about what your vision is. But when your vision can naturally align to their vision, it becomes their vision. And it's about figuring out, well, what is that internal ecosystem.
So they learn those tools, you know, like they're set up for success. You like vacations, right? I do. You like outings, right? I. Do Yeah, outing. So how would someone join the signing severity? So they would also go through the application process. Not everybody that applies gets in. Usually we only accept maybe five or six of like the 80 people that try to apply it's. A secret society all the access
trust. Well, you gotta make sure that you guys are energetically aligned because you let the wrong energy in collapse. So. You're right. Geez. Now, anything else? That anybody that don't know, how did you wanna shit about the business before we get into some of our spicy questions for you? No, but you know, like come out, experience it. Don't ever say that something is not for you if you've never tried it.
Because you don't know. You know, like what you think it might be. It's not, you know, it's look at it as being there's a there's a there's a plot, right? There's the plot and there's all these little plot lines and, you know, all of them lead to a different climax. All of them lead to a different narrative and a different story. So you get to come in with all of these plot lines and you get to decide, well, what is my story going to be tonight?
It's completely up to you. And that's what Kiki Game Night is. So it's a great concept. Have a good time and don't limit yourself. What would you do with the freest version of yourself? That's it. Now, do you have any fetishes? Do I have any fetishes? I don't have any fetishes. I do have kinks, You know, I have things that I enjoy in the kink world. I don't have fetishes. I don't think No. Now what do you enjoy? I love wax play. I love temperature play.
I love, I love spankings. Like, I'm a very submissive archetype, but I am like a bratty archetype. I'm not like a traditional brat, though. I'm not like a I'm going to talk back and grow me. I'm definitely more of like a Oh my God. I'm so I'm just gonna. Sit here and give me my weight. Type of brat, you know. So definitely more of like a damsel in distress type of yes. But I'm definitely brat. Like I will shut down and just be sad all day, puppy eyes until I get my way. What's your sign?
Zebra. OK. But I am an Aries moon and a Capricorn riser, so. Looking like having dances, right? Now look. I like helping people. OK, there we go. Now Now, can you look at somebody and tell what you think they're into like when they like at these game nights? No, I already see what. This is going. I already see it exactly. Let me tell you something you really cannot like there was this guy that I. He's a Kingster Vine, So we have like, I'm very close to my Kingston.
I try to like really build relationships with all of them. So we're like having this conversation and this guy is like, he looks like an entire model. Okay. And you know, he's like, yeah, sometimes it's just hard to like, you know, he's like some places say they're spaces of freedom, but they don't really be spaces of freedom. And I'm like, anytime someone start talking like that, it probably means that they're into something that is like, very unconvincing. Some wild shit. Right.
So I'm like this guy. So he's talking and stuff like that. I'm like, well, why do you feel like you can't be free? In freedom spaces, you know and like, he's like 100% into scatting, you know, like he likes. Hey, what is scatting? He likes scouting is when you're into like ship play, ship play and you know, like so he kind of had like a fetish with Wow with like fluids, you know, so like ship play, throw up, all of that type of stuff. Wait, wait, did you wait, did
you know about this? Help me out? No. Did you ever heard about like you ever heard about that? No. When I heard of scattering, I thought it like we would be about to do. This I never heard of scatting before. This is the first time. Yeah, it's like scatting golden showers, that type of stuff. So, you know, and so we were having to talk about that of like, well, you know, like people.
It's like just because, like freedom for you doesn't mean like you get freedom access to anyone you know, like there's. Reasons why a person might not be into that, you know, like it could be concern of like bacteria or like any of these things. Like me, I am a complete hypochondriac, you know, Like, I always think, don't, don't let me have a pimple on my hand. I'm running to the doctor like, Oh my God, why do I have acne on my hand, You know, so I would be
like, you know, shit play. I would be like, Oh my gosh, is my stomach on it. Was he the only one in the group that was into that? No, there's there's scatting communities, like there's people that are like way into it, you know? I don't know. How would you bring that up to somebody? The only thing I can think of is, is when that biggie interlude showing the cock over and shit on her stomach when the biggie you. Don't listen to Biggie shit.
That's that's scatting. That's that's shit play. So, you know, I don't know. I feel like for for like kinking fetishes in general. Like one, they'll probably try to find groups that cater specifically to that. Like they'll try to find, like, now that's where it becomes, if you know, you know, like I wouldn't know about any Scouting communities because I'm not into SCAT. But like, they exist. They're very underground though. They're very discreet. They're very, you know.
That is something new. Secret of. Never knew about that one. Yeah. Would you be a phone sex operator? I feel like you have a pretty sexy, sensual type of voice. Oh, thank you. I'm not opposed to it now I just, you know I'm such a like, oh Lord. I am such a like I'm. I was talking to one of my good friends. She's also a siren Trinity about this of like. I am not charming. I'm charming when I want to be charming, but I'm not naturally charming. You're like some people.
You won't know if they like you or not because they're such a charmer. I you will know if I like you or not because I'm not a fake. You know I'm not good at faking. Like I either like you or I don't like you. So with the phone says it would be like damn, like this is ooh I'm. I'm yawning. I'm about to go to sleep. You get what I'm saying? So. I would have to, really. I I mean, I did. I did.
I got my degree in theater arts. So it's like, I would, of course I could 4th Wall and like be an actor and all those things for it. But there's just so much energy work. It's like, oh, George, oh. OK, so that's an example. Of phone sex. OK, which one of y'all I'm talking to talk to me? I can talk to you. OK. Well, how was your day? I had a long, rough day. A long rough day. Can I do something to make it better for you? Absolutely. What can I do? I'm. Nervous. Sure. No. She Nervous?
Sure. No. Oh, they're blushing. And cut. Come on now. You know. You know this calls like $0.99 a minute, right? Like with 2000 minute. You ready? Come on, you gotta come there. Know what you wearing? Yeah, I don't know. Do my math. I don't know. She walking in the breaking like, let me get a a motherfucking. You know she done. You done got you got her nervous. Thank you. You done? Hey, you know what I'm here for? Get out of here. Tomato, tomato.
Thank you. That was that was that was nice. That was you do have yeah that voice is is very nice. Now, since we all talk about phone sex operators, we got a pick one segment. Which one would you let your partner do? Be a phone sex operator but has to have sex with 1 customer a week or be it a male gigolo. So. I would let them be a phone sex operator because I can be a client and they can have sex. With me? Good answer, Vanessa. That's an excellent answer. That is an excellent answer.
Shout to the sirens cuz y'all y'all got some shit with y'all juice. I mean, you can't really tap. That yeah, you can she she she know from that. Yeah, that that was a really good one. But if you had to which one? Which one would you go? I will also go with phone sex operator because that's like once a week versus everybody. The the gigolo had to have sex with everybody. Okay look, that one I'm going. To go with option C, I'm going to have only fans but she can
only show feet pics. Listen, there is money and that. That's what we heard. We've been trying to, we've been trying to get Juice to go on there, but she refused to. Listen, you don't even got to show your face. You hear that? So wait. Sidebar. So if you was going to convince Juice because you you're a very convincing person just by talking to you this time, If you can convince Juice to be to have only fans, to only to only show her feet, what's your pitching
line? So I mean, here's the thing about it, right? You have pretty feet. You have pretty feet. You're already on Instagram, which means you're already on your phone, which means it doesn't really take anything to take a photo of your feet and upload it on only fans. You're not showing your face. They don't know your name. You're making money for something that you were born with your feet. I mean, it's a no brainer to me, but. Hey, some people don't like easy money.
I get it. Like, it could be, you know, maybe you don't like to take photos. Maybe you don't go get your feet done. I get it like it could be a whole situation with that. But like if I had your feet, I would do it. I'm just, but you know, but but yeah, I mean it's it's up to you at the end of the day. You know what? I'm dead. You can't even see my feet. That's wow. So that's yeah. If you like being broke, it's OK. I. Mean yo. Do you have a degree in marketing too and like that was?
No. I almost got to came up for myself. Easy money. That's that. So where are you from? Are you from Cali or I am? I'm from Los Angeles. OK. Yeah, I'll be talking. I got to talk with y'all that. I think you convinced not to do it to you. I think I would definitely do it. No, wait, did you pay? Oh no, I pick, guy called me up. I will go with. I think the easiest one would be girl 6 because who wants who wants that girl to get hit? Everyone every, every week by
some different guys now. But that's what you mean, You still having sex for one customer a week? You wrote the question. I did right. I would still go with. Girl I would still go with. Phones like operate. I just feels more safer. It just sounds better. You actually. What's your girl do talk on the phone Customer service? Exactly. We're going to call send them. That's it. You can easily hide that.
Now do you have any advice for first time people that come to the To the King games, to the kicky game night? Like if you give them three advice, what would you tell them? One be open minded. Be open to the experience. #2 Move in comfort. You know, like not everything is for you. And don't think that everything has to be for you. So do what you're called to, you know, do what interests you, do what. And that might just be looking.
You might just be a voyeur. You might just want to kind of take in the scene, do that, do what feels good. And the last one would be understand that it's a privilege to be in the space. So check your mindset at the door. You know, don't come in thinking like, well, I paid this and I I need to see what I get from this because you will be removed from the space. We're not trying to prove anything to you. We are what we are. You are asking to come into our
space around. So just make sure that you come in with the right mindset. What's the wildest thing you ever seen happen at a game night? Like the shitter. The shit thing. I've never seen that. Like, you know, I've never seen scouting happening at like a game night or something like that. I feel like that is probably something that would happen more that gotta be super private.
Yeah, yeah. I think that that would be definitely something or like maybe at a fetish type party, like that's what they do at that party, you know, caters to that. Um, so the wildest thing that let's see that subjective of what is wild, you know, like. Like it's just some people like, like. What they like to me, what is wild to me, could be very normal to a lot of people, you know?
And then it's like, OK, well then now I'm sounding judgmental because I'm like, so the wildest thing I saw was this girl, right? And she. And it's like now all the people that do that is going to be like, what? Come on, like me saying like something that could have just caught you off guard, Like, whoa. Okay. So something that a culture shock to me. So shock value would probably be God. God, I I don't know. That's hard. We'll let you get back to that one now we.
Yeah, it's a little hard. We went on the on the Instagram page there's much to explain some things you posted like 2 posts. Shade a screen first? Okay. Now this right here. Pet play Yes yes No. Just got the same case. Now, have you ever? Joined Have I ever done pet play? Yeah. I have done some light pet play with Tiny, which that's the practitioner that's. That owns the cage, but I'm not a pet. I'm not a pet in the kink world or more so. I've never really experimented
too much with pets. Like I don't know if I'm a cat or a Bunny. Or wait, you have to know what you are. So you not that you necessarily have to know what you are, but you definitely, yeah, I mean, you have a pet like you are a pet. Like an avatar. It's a type of submission, so like, I'm a submissive. But I'm not a pet submissive. Like people that are into pet play, that's how they get into submission mode. They'll become the pet that they
identify. So if someone is like a puppy, they'll act like a puppy, they'll wag their tails, they'll come to you, they wanna be fed snacks, they'll do tricks and stuff like that. And basically, it's really just. Their way of going into a space where they don't have to think about anything. Subs are usually people who have a lot going on. Like you'll be surprised.
A lot of powerful people are probably submissives in their personal life, and that's because that's the one place where they don't have to have it all together. They can pretend like they have no cares in the world. So they like to go into submissive space. They like to be told what to do. They like to be. Completely absolved of our responsibility and it's usually because they're actually very important. However, people in real life on a daytoday setting, so.
That is, So what pet? What y'all pick if you had to pick a pet Pussycat. Luke. I'll pick a sloth. I'm just lay there. Yo, what? I swear you. Why was I thinking about that? Yeah, to be in a sloth, they just move slowly. So you want to be a pillow, Prince, Tomato, Tomato. Look, I had pillow Prince, man. Both of you. Both. Said I don't know. No, I didn't say. I was just thinking that. Yeah, but I didn't pick that. So what you picking? I bet I'm a dog roof I'm picking
a pillow past. That's interesting. We have another one that was asking what's going on here. We see it's this page is really one of the wildest pages I've ever seen. It's really good. I like I like this page when I first saw. It thank you when you first saw it. Yeah, Remember we, I first saw this like about at least like a year ago? You still like it, right? And now he visited every day since. Hey, what's up On my application? You'll see it now this right here.
That's also so that's like Dom and sub. They could be a pet, or they could just be submissive like their own. That is, when a person has a collar and a leash, it means that their own she is owned by him. Is that way Is that you?