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S6 235. Roundtable with - Dan Duval - Basil Rosewater - Veils, MK Ultra Flashpoint : The Revival Hidden in the Fringe

Jun 18, 2025•1 hr 39 min•Season 6Ep. 235
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Millennial Mustard Seed Podcast dives into the unusual, unexplained, and unexplored facets of our world, always filtered through a biblical lens. With a seeker's humility and a deep hunger for truth, we provoke deeper faith and curiosity in Christ.



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  • 🎭 The Veil is Tearing: Revival through the destruction of the false reality overlay

  • 🔥 The Rise of Heaven’s Army: Survivors becoming warriors

  • đź§  Programming, Deprogramming & Ecclesia: From MK Ultra to Kingdom awakening

  • 📡 News as Sorcery: Media as a control grid and Canary Cry’s kingdom counterattack

  • đź“– Mapping Fringe to Foundation: How prophetic podcasts seeded the revival we’re seeing now

  • 🚨 Urgency of the Hour: Why 2025 is a divine flashpoint



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“Revival isn’t coming. It’s already here—but it’s not inside the walls. It’s in the broken places of your soul.” – Rod Smith

“We’re not reacting anymore—we’re executing the judgments of God in the earth.” – Carly 

“The most powerful force on earth is the agreement of God’s people with His Word. And we’re just getting started.” – Dan Duval

“Without Christ as the new veil, the tearing would have destroyed us. But now, we’re magnetized to the Father.” – Basil Rosewater



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Hello folks, this is Princess. You are listening to the Millennial. Mustard Seed Podcast, thanks for listening. Don't forget to share with your friends. That's tough. We're in a very tough spot. I think that what we're doing right now is a great benefit and virtue because it's an end around between this whole corrupt informational system,

media system. We claim to believe in a God who spoke the universe into existence and literally raised himself from the dead, and yet we are not going to believe that anything else exists in the spirit realm, even though His word tells us that they do. Their bodies weren't permitted to go to sleep like humans do, and they weren't permitted to go to heaven. So they wander the earth. You know, I've seen the eyes turn black to unknown tongues

being spoken. These giants would live way up in the Highland. The young Braves, the young men would hide up in the. Trees and wait for. One of these 12 footers to come walking. Down the path and. They would jump on them and kill them. Drag them back to the village, and the village would feast on the body freedom. Then people start to get weapons, they start to get armor, they start to build cities, they start to fortify their cities. Now God looks.

Down and there's violence everywhere. The battle, this war that we are at is not against each other. It's against these principalities and these rulers and these archons in the high places. It's really worthwhile to read the Bible yourself. Fear. Is one of the primary drivers of mind. Control. Because we have to. Take every thought captive and resist fear. You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against the Kingdom of darkness.

Music. Welcome back to the MMSI Am, your producer, creator and part time host Rod Smith. This may be one of the most epic broadcasts I've been a part of to date. I don't say that lightly. I'm joined by the one and only Dan Duvall, founder of Bride Ministers International and host of Discovering Truth with Dan Duvall. I'm also joined by Basil Rosebaugh, Co founder of Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry News Talk, as well as my Co host for this episode, Carly.

And it's humbling to be a part of such a explosive conversation. Revelatory. I mean, we get some of the back story of the early days from Dan and Basil. The last time they were on air together was over 10 years ago. And somehow I've been able to facilitate this conversation, reuniting old friends on air. It's just it's, it's unbelievably cool. We talk about the Veil, warfare, reality, the Revival hidden in the Fringe, and so much more. You guys. Here's just a couple of topics covered.

Our list out. The Veil is tearing Revival through the destruction of the false reality overlay. The rise of Heaven's armies, Survivors of SRA becoming frontline warriors. Reprogramming, deprogramming the Ekklesia from MK Ultra to Kingdom Awakened. News as sorcery media as a control grid and the Canary Cry Kingdom counter attack, mapping the fringe to foundation.

How prophetic podcasts seeded the revival that we're seeing happen now, you guys, I'm going to read just a couple quotes that get quoted on this Round Table episode. Revival isn't coming. It's already here, but it's not inside the walls. It's in the broken places of your soul. I say that Rod Smith, We're not reacting anymore. We're executing the judgments of

God in earth, Carly says. The most powerful force on earth is the agreement of God's people with his Word, and we're just getting started, says Dan Duvall. Without Christ as the new veil, the tearing would have destroyed us, but now we're magnetized to the Father, says Basil Rosewater. Such a fascinating get together. I really hope you guys enjoy this. This is legendary to say the least. Listen to the entire thing. Don't skip it.

Don't think that it's corny or whatever, but I don't know what you're thinking, but just listen to the whole episode. Super quick maintenance like share and subscribe. You can find details in the show notes to my book. The words are salt. You can help us by leaving us a five star rating and review on your favorite podcast catcher and by sharing these episodes far and wide. If you feel to go so far as to plant a seed, you can find

details in the show notes. Share these episodes because it's just the right thing to do so that we can find another person that's just like me and you. I think it's about time to jump into this episode. I'm ready. Are you guys ready? Let's go. Let's go. Razzle Dazzle. I'm your best buddy Basil from Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry News Talk.

And I'm Dan Duvall, welcome to the Millennial Mustard Seed Podcast. It is so epic to be here with all four of you because I'm joined once again by Carly, my Co host for this episode and I just have a lot of respect and honor for both of these men. Dan Duvall from Bride Ministries and he also has Discovering Truth, his podcast series and Basil OG from Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry News Talk and you

guys are old friends. So I'm just going to kind of step out of the way and just I think it was over 10 years ago was the last time you guys were on air together. It is epic to witness this regathering. Welcome, gentlemen. Yeah, it's great to be here. Great to see you, Dan. And like we were just saying before we are recording and of course, you know, we want to get the real mushy stuff out before the recording.

But you know, it's very encouraging because often times Ganz and I, we question why are we still doing this? What are we, are we wrong? Are we missing something? Have should we have stopped a long time ago?

And then to see guys like you who we really, at least from my perspective, at least from what I know, we are coming up around the same time, at a time when the world was completely different and what we were doing was not considered a national security threat, which was, you know, the good old days. Right, Yeah. You know, I, I remember we, we met actually, I, I have actually seen Basil's face. I don't know, is that old school?

Because we, we met at a, a conference called The World Turned Upside Down. And that was as I was going through a major transition in my life and, and ministry. I actually just gotten fired essentially, you know, from another radio thing that I was doing at the time. And, and, and I was gracious enough, like the people that were putting together were gracious enough to invite me. And it was like a whole new world opened up.

And I don't even know that I had relaunched discovering truth with Dan DePaul. This was this was wow, I mean over a decade ago now. Then again, bat basil and gowns in person. We, we were hanging out with the Hagman's and unfortunately Joe the son, he, I mean, he passed away since that, this, this, I knew him when there were podcasts that were live that like, you know, I mean, everything has changed. Yeah, yeah, it was a totally different world. So there you go.

But no, we haven't been in touch. Now we just secretly watch each other from across the gym. I will say at the top here, people who have heard me before, you will notice this is not my regular voice. It's a little rough this morning and just know that it's not because I'm sick and fighting off some sort of nanobot attack from the CIA. It's it's a very fancy voice changer that helps resist AI powered geolocation through the sound waves of your voice. So we'll see how long it can go

for. But I'm in, I'm in, I'm here, we're charging it. And if my voice does go out, that'll just be a good, I don't know, trigger for everybody to just start praying for me because that means they're coming for me. They found me. Yeah, it's so interesting that last night you you kind of texted me or I texted you, I'm sorry. And and your response was, hey, as long as I have a voice, I'll be there tomorrow. But like kind of came out of

left field, right? And so man, Father, just be with Basil and give him the words to say anoint his tongue that he should speak that which is you're bringing down from heaven, Father. And if he can't speak much, then we're just going to agree that what you have given him as the perfect amount, the perfect measure. Yeah. Dude, you're a trooper for showing up like you, you want guns do so much and and you know, multiple broadcasts a week.

You're doing the clubhouse, the live call insurance, you know, and getting the interaction with guests that are that are listening from out there. And so you're using your voice quite a lot. Thank you. I mean, I, this literally started happening on air about two hours into yesterday's show and it just kind of totally gave out. But I will say, you know, God is sovereign and everything happens for a reason. I'm it is, I don't even say it humor humorously.

It's probably happening because the Holy Spirit, you know, wanted me to listen a little bit more in this conversation than to speak. So I'm going to be working on that. Yeah, Oprah is God. I mean, with, with having Dan here, Dan, I just kind of want to set it off with you talked a little bit about these, these older days, right, reminiscing almost going back.

Do you want to talk a bit about timeline and then maybe a couple things that bring you to present like that could be encouraging to guys like I don't know me who are 5-6 years into trying to maintain the calling and walk it out because you guys have been doing this for so long. And then let's get into some relevant things that that are happening right now that we need to be aware of as the body of Christ. I don't know how you feel about that, but maybe.

Well, I'm going to give you a little known fact. Gods actually put together the covers for two of my books, Kingdom Government and the Promise of Sheep Nations and Higher dimensions, parallel Dimensions in the spirit realm. I actually roped them into that somehow. And so I think actually that probably is the last thing we communicated on was when he was doing the the cover work for higher dimensions, parallel dimensions in the spirit world.

So, you know, I mean, timeline wise, I think we have very different views of timeline. If if Basil wants to get into this, because my timeline, it took me through a lot of different areas of Christianity. We and we kind of ended up as bride ministries kind of on our own little realm because the work that I was focused on was centered on survivors of satanic ritual abuse and, and, and the government projects.

And so I began as a researcher. And you know, Gonzo's a researcher, Basil's a researcher, the Hagmanns were researcher, Steve Quayle was a researcher. Like, you know, and there's other characters that were part of the, the conference that we met at subsequent events. You know, I, I had some overlap with Doug HAMP. I had some overlap with Rob Skiba.

Rob Skiba has since passed away. And, you know, I think a lot of that those connections were centered on the Nephilim and trying to explore that and how that affects our view of Bible prophecy in light of current events. And, and, and, you know, there was this acknowledgement almost like a tip of the hat to the secret programs as an MK Ultra. And how did those projects weave into all of these things?

And, you know, I mean, we were all terrified that Obama might be the Antichrist, like guilt because, you know, we were when we met, he was, you know, in his second term. And it's just like, is he going to blow up the world? Who knows? Because I knew several people that thought he would. And anyway, so it was a

different time. You know, before 2012, people didn't even like anywhere I went, people were like Nephilim, you know, like you are a heretic for even suggesting that that's not just the sons of Cain that are normal people marrying the daughters of Seth that are normal people and having normal kids that just have a sin problem. And, you know, there was a lot of agreement on like, well, we

got to break that now. That sounds like such an ancient, like, why would we waste our time arguing that point? Like, who even cares? And we all agree like the Nephilim or giants, like tell us what's next, you know, tell us about the AI. Why are you wasting dance time talking about like what we could get in there? I'm just kidding. So, you know, But you know, from that point, I, I know that for me, we got pulled so deep into helping survivors that that just

became our focus. And then, you know, I had to build a church and then we, we had to build a school and then we had to start training people. You know, I've trained over 60 people to do the deliverance work and inner healing work that I did. So we became specialists in that vein. And as far as formal research, a lot of my research came in response to the things that I was learning on the front lines of helping people. And that focus just went that direction.

So I don't know I I'm actually interested to hear what Basil's journey's been like. Yeah, no, actually that's thank you for telling me that. That's very interesting. I mention it so often and I don't know if people are just tired of hearing it or if it even matters. But you know, it's weird to be so long in a space or an industry that like you are the old fogey who can remember when. Yeah, focusing on Nephilim and kind of these weird things.

It was wasn't just a normal, I mean, at this point mainstream talking point. Like it's weird. The the online podcast video thing now is you talk about something, you're you're probably not the first person to talk about it at all. You know, if you want to hear about Nephilim, you know, there's a hundred different communities with 1000 different podcasters and within this sort of ranked hierarchy of bigness, you know, coming all the way

down. But when we started 2012, I mean, we had the end of the Mayan calendar, end of the world. We had the you know, everybody thought aliens were going to be coming out during the Olympic halftime show. Yeah, Obama, you know, it, it was really this time where I think the the majority of I got, I guess the foundation was being laid there on that and for myself, guns, Dan, I mean, go to Derek Gilbert, Sharon Gilbert, like you said, Dan, Doug HAMP, Rob Skiba.

It was really just one core group. There was nobody, like, at least on the Internet, making content available in this new weird thing called podcasting that's there forever and you can share with your friends. Like even the technology itself was just new. You had to tell people you did Internet radio. Nobody knew what a podcast was. And, you know, I look back, I was really young at the time and I think I really took for granted that I was surrounded with people who are doing really

good work. And we had a, a growing core listenership, many of whom are still with us today. You know, children have been raised on my voice, you know, over the last 10 years, 12 years. And I look back, I'm like, man, I was really young. If I knew what I know today, I would have taken it so much more

seriously. I would have, you know, because I was in my early 20s and I was just trying to, you know, figure life out and doing podcasts and, and diving in in this research was a very strange thing for somebody my age to be doing Canary Cry Radio, our primary show that really is responsible for everything. It only has 180 something episodes. You know, we would go like months without putting out an episode.

And there was no, there was not this whole ecosystem of people creating this content that we could go a month, two months without putting out an episode and people would be back. You know, would, would, would love it. You know, they would be waiting for it. They would appreciate it. They would be because there wasn't so much more out there. Knowing what I know now, I probably would have buckled in and gotten serious a little bit

earlier. But similar to how you're you, you kind of focused in on your work in the ministry, which you know, again, I think that's it's incredible. And essentially anybody, I think from our generation at that point ended up kind of focusing in on whatever their thing was.

For us, it was around 2016 and we came to this place like, OK, we've, we were some of the first podcasters that the Flat Earth people came to. And, you know, even it was weird for us. Even it's weird to imagine a time that Flat Earth wasn't like a very common weird thing for people to be super into. But we were one of the first podcast to just kind of be like, huh, weird. Some people actually think the Earth is flat.

Let's see what they have to say. And so we had collected this broad range of really fringe, fringe research. And in 2015 or 16, that's when we. Thought, you know, this is all good and fun and wild and you know, we're, we're so happy to see where God has brought this. But then we started news talk because we're like, all right, what is the practical purpose of knowing all this stuff? Like what does that mean? Is it just entertainment? Is it just a, a weird club to be in?

What does this have to do, you know, really with any practical, you know, practical application in our lives? And that's when we started taking the news of the day and putting it through this lens that we had developed over at that point, you know, 4-5 years and focusing in on, hey, our work now is going to be finding together and applying this knowledge base that, you know, people continue to get interested in. But what does it have to do with

our daily lives? How do we go through our day? How does it affect our faith? How's it how does it affect our, you know, interaction with the economy or interaction with politics? And so it really in a way, it was just a way for us to apply this weird fringe, you know, knowledge base and personal relationships with great researchers like Dan. And what does that mean for us on a daily basis? How has this changed our perception as we just walk around, go to work and do stuff

like that? And so news talk sort of just develops from there. And of course, moving to the long, you know, the Super long format three times a week at COVID just because we had the time. And that's just kind of what transformed our community into what it is today. And so I kind of consider that, you know, the Lord you, I kind of imagine it like the Lord had a magnifying glass on us, you know, watching and observing and

and blessing us in so many ways. But then 2020, when we started really doing what we do now, he had sort of maybe adjusted the magnifying glass and suddenly there was a beam of light that was like striking us that really, I guess literally or metaphorically really lit a fire under us to take it to, you

know, this is this. Shouldn't, you know, this worldview, this collection of, of, of, I don't know, weird explorations of life in the Bible and faith and history and the things in the shadows going on today, you know, really should have some sort of applicable, I don't know, angle to it. And so that's, you know, when it really was around there that we calmed it down a little bit on

the interviews. If I could go back, I probably wouldn't have calmed down on the interviews and we would have been talking with Dan Duvall, you know, at least a couple times a year because at the same time, you know, he's doing very important work. So that's a little bit of

history, I guess. Thanks for the opportunity to kind of speak through that, that history in in a time and place that I'm allowed to instead of me trying to slip it in to a broadcast or something when it has no applicable value at all. So thank you for that opportunity, Ron. Absolutely. Well, you guys are uncovering what you have now coined Dan as the false reality overlay back in 2012, 2013. It's like we were it was being mapped without us knowing it, right?

We were starting to see how what we always subscribed reality to was in fact a simulation, for lack of a better word. And Baz, where you went into talking about it and unpacking it and having these conversations that were fringe but then became normal. You said, where's the practical application of this? That that was a question in your

head. And then I'm looking over at Dan like, but that was Dan was doing the practical application of this in your ministry, which is taking people out of the false reality overlay and subscribing them back. Their humanity, their purpose, their essence, their scroll, their timeline, all those things. Because the reason why that false reality overlay keeps working is because of how much humanity is hinged into it. Like a super pattery pack just powering up the Kingdom of

darkness. And Dan's over here like, we're not doing that anymore. And that's what the Holy Spirit came in. And that is the practical application. And I really don't see them as very different, right? It's like you, you have a map and then you, you follow the map and you apply it to what you're doing. And that's the relationship that I'm seeing between the two of you, which is so profound.

And only God, one wise God, could draw this connection, follow this red thread through time and space and people and jurisdictions and all these things to make something so powerful as the restoration of humanity to his original intention. The understanding that's required for that, the application, the wisdom, the prayer, the language, the spiritual mechanics is just it's life changing, it's globally changing. It's cosmically revolutionary. Wow.

It's good. It's just such a beautiful thing to see how the Lord weaves us together. Well, when we zoom out, that's exactly what's happening and that's what I was moved to with this opportunity because I have so much respect and just love for both of your content, Dan and Basil and and shout out to Dan. So hopefully we get locked in with him here here soon to kind of come in and dovetail a little bit of it organically with capturing growth journeys and and asking serious questions.

Like I tell people, I don't take this lightly, like this isn't just something fun for me. I've done this in the gutter through hardship deprivations, through literally some really rough things that I won't talk about detail wise that has tried to hinder me from even having the opportunity to sit before two people that I honor and and see that reconnection come. There's a cost, but there's also a beauty in starting to see how God is using a a multi layered reality of his intention.

You've been sent in with a purpose and we just get little glimmers at seeing how there's this interconnectivity that's encouraging the crossroads of of now are just as important as they were 10 years ago to what's going to be birthed in the next phase of what God has up his sleeve. So Dan, I want to ask with everything that's going on right now, with everything that you've discovered over the course of your journey and what God, the wheelhouse he has you in.

What is the most important thing for us to be focusing and getting a hold of as a body, not just as a podcaster, as a a ministry, but like as the body of Christ. Let let's open up some some deep understandings here please. The most important thing, well, look, I I think that's in in some ways that's an easy question. In some ways that's a really hard, laborious, taxing and deep

question to answer. So the easy side for such a time as this, I don't think God made an accident in sending the generation that's alive on earth today and serving him. I, I, I, I think there was a lot of intent around those that he sent in and the, IT, it like it's about him and it's about his Kingdom. You know, it's a big, big shift when you realize that the Bible, it actually isn't all about man.

It's actually all about Christ that, you know, and we, I think that when we make Christianity all about man, we, we actually get confused as to what the meta narrative is. It's all about Christ. It's all about Jesus and someday that he is accomplishing through man on behalf of his creation. And so the way that I look at it, that that's where we're at

right now. We are at possibly one of the most important generations to walk the earth since the time of Christ. You know, you have the people that the church age began with and then we're sitting at the Nexus point of I think the end of the age. I, I, I think that, you know, most people can look at the direction of everything that's happening and say, wow, this is for, for so many reasons. And, and I think one of the big ones is the artificial intelligence conversation.

I think the artificial intelligence conversation actually puts us, really, really, truly locks us in to a timeline at, at this juncture. But you know, then we could add on top of that the Jesuit agenda and the underground military base agenda and all of the connections through these crypto, these creatures that like all of this invasion of our reality, so to speak, like at, at, at ever exacerbated quantities. Now it, it, it points to something that is very significant for their for, for

world history. I, I mean, and, and I, I think it's pointing towards the end of the age. So, so the generation is carrying this torch was I think selected and our primary is to look to Jesus for our purpose at this time. Yeah, Amen. You really touched on something that I was just recently going on about. I think it was yesterday on Clubhouse and before that, you know getting some time to rant

on Rod's show as well. This been doing some extra air time has really been developing my own emphasis on the important syllables. And Gans did a mini documentary on Jesus as the veil yesterday. And so we talked a lot about the veil and veils and what this means and how applicable this is sort of across the board. And when I look at what's happening in the world as a whole, not just in current events but in people, when you tell the story of the crucifixion of Christ, the story's told.

He's nailed to the cross, He's stabbed with a spear and raises 3 days later. And what is not usually told in that, you know, in that telling of the gospel is he's stabbed with a spear, He gives up his spirit, dead people come to life, earthquake happens, the veil is torn in the temple. And you know, it's it kind of seems often, I think as just sort of supernatural details that are kind of skipped over for the emphasis on salvation. And whatever gets you to

salvation is great. Not criticizing that, but happening in the exact same moment as the contract shifting, paradigm shifting events in the history of man's relationship with the eternal God as Christ dies on the cross. The veil also tears. I think in a way what we're also seeing right now, what I could, what I see when I look at the broad population level movements and trends that are going on is there is another veil sort of tearing on mass population

level. People are waking up to the loosery overlay of what they once thought was reality. These sort of unimaginable control over their perception of reality so deep and so perfected that the idea that what they're, you know, hearing on the news or or whatever, they're down to the very words that are controlled, the language that's controlled, that dictates the way that their brain even, you know, reads

colors in the world. There's this veil tearing in another way, and much like back at the crucifixion of Christ, that veil tearing wasn't just crazy supernatural event because the veil was 4 inches thick and nobody could have torn it. So it was a show of God, but it was also the destruction of humanity's observation of what was real at the time. It was the destruction of their entire mind's model of what

reality was. Meaning there's the holies of holies, and God is in there, and we're out here and we can't go past the veil because that is where God is. And the veil is also protecting us from the overwhelming, you know, destructive power of the creator of the universe. So this veil not only is separating God from man, but the veil is also protecting man from God. But the veil is also protecting man from God.

And this was reality at the time this everybody would have known this everybody would have based their entire understanding of the universe on this fact. And when the veil tears and suddenly there's no separation between what they, you know, they, they before the veil tears, you know, they're basically imagining Indiana Jones in the Ark of the Covenant, like level face melting, God's power rushing into humanity and, you know, humans not able to handle it and

this sort of thing. But when the veil tears, suddenly I think, OK, that's a pretty drastic event. And not only is that, you know, I mean, talk about a bunch of dead people getting up and walking around at the same time, this is an absolute reality shattering event for humanity at the time. And in the same way we have a reality shattering event going on right now on some level, which is everybody is now aware. I'm saying everybody has a generalization. There are those who are not

aware. And that's very sad and frustrating. But mass population is becoming aware of like, oh, my very concept of reality has been crafted by a bunch of establishment, you know, magicians who control the words that I use, who control the information that gets to me. Look at this.

I can list, you know, 100 points in history that I thought really dictated what reality was around me, both from, you know, past history all the way now to yesterday's current events that didn't happen the way that I was told. And you have this, you have this traumatic event going on, which is more and more people going what even what, what is even is real? What even is happening?

What even is, you know, I've been lied to in a way that I used to make fun of people for insinuating those tinfoil Hatters. And just like the the veil tearing at Christ's crucifixion, the reason that humanity was not destroyed by that was because Jesus and his death and his sacrifice became the new veil in a way.

It became the mediating force between man and God, not only, you know, giving us a portal and access to God in a way that nobody had had before, but also a new sort of protective layer between the raw, unfiltered cosmic majesty of the creator of the universe and man. And that's, you know, if, who knows if the veil would have torn before Jesus had taken that role. Who knows would have happened. Maybe that would have been the end of, you know, humanity.

We don't know. But if it weren't for Christ taking that place at the exact moment, establishing, establishing a new ground of understanding for reality, the universe and everything, meaning our connection to God, our connection to ultimate reality. Thank God we have this new thing which is Christ, because the veil just tore and who knows what would have happened. And so nowadays we have this veil tearing people. People's understanding of reality is totally getting thrown out the window.

And what we're seeing is a mass movement on a population level. And we can criticize it and we can pick it apart and we can find all the things we don't like about it. But we are seeing an unprecedented movement towards Christ, not just on, you know, Gen. Z is the most traditional generation ever. They're turning to religion. They're going to church. And in numbers that no generation has ever seen.

You know, this whole thing you've got, I mean, the big one recently was it just came out that Joe Rogan is regularly attending church. And he's very consistent and real about this, you know, this sort of social cultural power. You could arguably say Joe Rogan has something like the most powerful, you know, socio cultural position of anybody else, maybe besides the president or something like

that. And for him, excuse me up here we go. For him to be sort of publicly moving in the direction of Christ, I think is a great reflection. You know, he is famously secular, famously not Christian in the past, also famously the most popular guy who is trying to see beyond the veil, trying to be skeptical about reality, these types of things. And we're watching again that without some sort of.

I mean, without Christ, honestly, without Christ, when the veil tears, it is so traumatic to an individual and to a culture that they are forced to seek out the next. I mean, not the next, but the primary ground of being, which is our relationship with God mediated through Jesus Christ. And so I think we're seeing this all the way down from the minute level all the way to the mass population level.

As a millennial, I was always told always, I've been a Christian my entire life, Every second of my life I have been, you know, a Christian. And I was always told every single week that the revival's coming, the revival's coming, the revival's coming, it's going to change everything. Mass movements towards Christ is going to be amazing. And we are told that it was going to be millennials told, it was going to be my generation. That didn't quite work out the

way that we were told. But it is Gen. Z and we are seeing what I was told for my whole life, a mass revival, huge movements of culture towards Christ and the fact that it is sort of orbiting around this obsession that came into my life. And, you know, 2010, 11/20/12 about being skeptical about the reality that we're being fed and diving deeper into the weird, you know, crevices of what reality is. What does it look like, you know, all through a biblical lens?

It's it's it's a little bit traumatic to me now to see this revival happening, at least by the numbers based around the most unexpected cultural, I don't know, tweak that any of us could have could have expected, which was this sort of to use the word, you know, conspiracy theory, fringe skeptical sort of lens leading people to Christ, but not just leading people to Christ in sort of a general evangelical way.

It is people are now requiring Christ and naturally moving towards their requirements because of the tearing of the veil of what reality is and isn't. Now that's been of course long time coming and I apologize 'cause I totally forgot what the question was, but that's kind of what I'm seeing happen as far as the most. I guess you asked about like what's the most important thing

happening? And I think the most important thing that I see happening is as a result of the work of Dan and Skiba and people who have been sort of relegated to the weird corners, whatever spiritual ancestry that is descended as far as ideas, spirits, principalities, powers with which, you know, we, I don't, I don't feel, I think a lot of guys in our ring don't feel like they've had a whole lot to do with with what's going on in the world.

But I'm just encouraged that the biggest revival that I've ever seen, and at least according to the numbers, is the biggest one in many generations, happens to be coinciding or perhaps even propelled by this passion to see past the illusion in a in a biblical way. I completely agree with what you're spelling out here, Baz. And when you were talking about the veil, it was making me think about how the veil in the temple

was of separating force. But the veil that is Christ, as you illustrated it, is a magnetizing force for the Father, for life, for recovery, for reconciliation. And and as you were talking about revival, it made me think about how we are, we are in a revival. The reason why it's so hard to identify is because it's not happening inside the predictable metric bearing 4 walls of the First Baptist Church on Main Street. As Dan likes to say, it's because it's happening in the

broken places of our soul. But we realize the only way to untangle ourselves from any of this is by being completely naked before God and recognizing that He has no obligation to us to fit inside our intellectual box.

None. And that's why revival is happening, because people are coming to the point where they're looking out at the world and they say, I cannot overcome this by the faculties of my own creativity, by what is presented to me in the evangelical Main St. mainstream Western Christianity, corporate American church. I can't. So what do I have? I have Christ crucified. And just like you were saying, Dan, that is the foundation of everything. This isn't about us. It is to an extent, right.

But if we become self focused in these things, we end up making religions. We end up making formulas. We end up doing metrics in Church of how many people raise their hand to receive Christ and go back to the same mess that happened to them yesterday because there's no victory. Why? Because there's no actual relationship that's happening, and that is revival. We are in a revival because there are countless people who are sitting at the feet of Jesus day after day after day.

They don't care if anybody ever finds their name. They don't care if they publish a book, they just want to be seen and known by Him in the places that they had been afraid to open the door to. And that, friends, is revival because it's powering down the Kingdom of darkness by virtue of our liberty, by the expression of Christ in US. And it doesn't have a stage. And that's OK, because trust and believe when this pot of righteousness boils over, the

whole world is going to know. It's going to know is not it. The whole world is filled with this glory as the water covers the sea. That's what's coming out of the gate of humanity. Goodness gracious. One of the things that has really been part of my my, my piece is I got pulled out of the, the, the research world, right? And, and God really stationed me on the front lines of contending with the powers of darkness as a job description. He's like, OK, you said yes to

this, yes to this, yes to this. Now, now, that's great what you did. That's cute. You know, you wrote a book about wounded by leadership. We don't care about that. Like what we really care about is what you were created to do, which is contend and, and, and contend for What I'm realizing now is the Army, the, the Army of God manifested through his people.

And a a lot of the, the people that are called to that army and, and, and take up arms literally against the emergence of Antichrist Kingdom are the survivors. Like they, the ones that were recruited and already activated as super soldiers, as slaves, as puppets are, are, are, are being delivered out and then recruited and released into God's army to be the ones that take down I, I mean, and, and take on some of the greatest and most radical evil the surface world has ever

seen. So, so I got, I got plopped right at the front line and it's like, you know, you got to contend with all of this. And, and we did, I mean, you know, we could, we could go into a lot of stories about that. But part, part of my journey in that was, was, was visionary. It's, you know, when I go into prayer time, the Lord will show me things and, and it that helps me to fix my, my personal spiritual compass to what Jesus is doing.

And one of those times I was in prayer and and I did I I saw it was like this massive battlefield and there was a few people standing on a hill and they were looking at it and it was a hybrid army and they and they had anti gravity craft and it was creatures. And I'm sure Bigfoot was in there somewhere, maybe a few Yeti right dog man, I'll just but but like, I think these were definite hybrid, like it was not human. I was I was looking at this army. I'm looking at this technology,

I'm looking at this weapon. It's like, OK, that was probably built on Mars And it's like a dark clouds over moving on. And these people that are sitting on a hill, they essentially begin to go into prayer or decrees or whatever in the name of Jesus. And then I'm like looking back over at the, the whole army and the whole army is literally just brought to its knees. They can't move, they can't

fight, they can't do a thing. And it's reminiscent of some of the stories we see in the Bible where it's like God sent the worshippers out first and then the enemy armies scatter. God sent the Angel, the Lord out and he killed 10s of thousands of men. Like they just died, you know, and, and be like, but I'm seeing this and it's like, look, these are the kinds of people I am raising up in the last days. Like, like they think they're doing all this stuff.

They think they're building their hybrid army in the underground bases. They think they have this, you know, thing locked down because they got this secret space program running and they, they're, they're going to bring in all this stuff. And it's like they have no idea the snare that God is setting up by bringing his army online.

And so, you know, part of my job became to create the pathway because I'll tell you, coming out from a background of, of super soldier programming, MK Ultra, satanic ritual abuse, outright mind control, like it is hard. It is hard to break with that kind of trauma and step into full identity in Christ. I mean, it's like a, they think on the Kingdom of darkness. It's impossible. They, they thought they had perfected their, their approach to this thing and there was no hope.

No one's going to figure this out. Well, Jesus did. And he, he's been nugget dropping this thing the whole time. And we have seen, I mean, the most extraordinary transformations over the years for, for, for thousands of people. And it has been wrought with opposition. I mean, every time I turn around, they do the stupidest stuff. I mean, if I told you some of this stuff they do to try to shut us down or, or, or, or mess with ourselves, I mean, the, the

level of witchcraft targeting. And I, I, I mean, you know, not everybody can say this, but I can. Like I, I don't even, I don't even know how many infants have been sacrificed on the altars of stop ride ministries, but many, many have. And I, I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's in the thousands at this point because they, they, they have, you know, a major assignment against stopping. It's not about me. It's, it's about the army that God is liberating for such a

time and space. And you have listeners and they know they're called in this army and they know they are put here because God put something on the inside of it and says, you know, beast Kingdom, I'm not here for it. I am the resistance. So yeah, there, there it is. Man, that is so good. Talk about multi layered encouragement. Yeah, yeah, this is, it's still blowing my mind to have you and Basil here at the same time.

And if I can backtrack a little bit for the sake of launching even deeper into where we're heading, when you were talking about what you had the the path that you were getting laid out, right? You're being led by the spirit and you're kind of laying out this track at the same time, you see with Basil and Gonz, like synchronizing with what's going on and adding in this, this layer of biblical filter to to the masses through a news analysis, news breakdown, almost

like a Kingdom news agency. That was like the resistance to the overwhelming messages out in the airwaves. And now those two are kind of marrying in the moments of the listeners across across the board here with not only did God send in, you know, Basil and Gans with with a very specific agenda in mind. Little did they know they would they would stumble into what they were doing. If you would have asked them that five years old, What do you

want to do when they grow up? They wouldn't have probably came close to what they're doing now, but they are. And now we're at a crossroad of listeners abroad who may need to start walking in the the rank or the file of this heaven's army, the army of volunteers that has been laid with a trajectory heaven sent from what Dan has brought forward. It's like here we are. It's like we're doing this

thing, you guys. I'm just going to pass it to whoever feels led by the Spirit to continue because this is more powerful than I than I had originally imagined. I've said this a few times with you on Air Rod, and I say it pretty much as often as I can, but I had a strange couple years, pretty traumatic couple years. And then moving in to 2025 just really was laden heavily by the Holy Spirit and really some really unexplained.

I mean, if there's been moments in my life where I'm overcome by a feeling that is sort of unexplainable, and then in the supernatural way, you know, a lot of times when it comes to Holy Spirit communications, it's if you're like me, sometimes it doesn't make any sense until after the fact.

But when we transition into this 2025 year, first the year, but also the start of the new presidency, also what seems to be a transition in world powers, what seems to be a transition in some sort of spiritual warfare, you know, principalities and powers, you know, even going down to, you know, this shift in the papacy of the Vatican to this, you know, everything seems to be in this transitional period that we really don't have a whole lot of foundation for or, you know, it's been a long

time. It's I have never lived through a shift that can both be spotted in politics and culture, in the principalities and powers, in the supernatural realm. Just everything is we are sort of passing this point of where experience can inform our reaction. And when the clock struck midnight on 2025, I was just over, I mean, really laden with this heaviness about the time

that we have. I can't say that it's, you know, timing that we have until Jesus comes back or timing that we have until I can't really pinpoint what it is. But once the clock struck 12, I mean, the Holy Spirit was clear as day that like 365 days from now, the world is going to be an

entirely different place. None of the assumptions that we make about our world, about reality, from the trippy stuff to the practical stuff, you know, our models, our models are going to get less and less useful as we get closer to 2026. And the reality is, at least what was impressed upon my heart harder than I could, you know, describe was that, yeah, we pretty much have about 365 days until think.

Everything is totally different. And for me, I know I went years thinking or even knowing that I was supposed to be doing something. Maybe I didn't know what it was. Maybe I just felt like I had some sort of role to play. Maybe I had some project or some ministry that seems like, oh, that'd be a fun thing to do or that'd be a fulfilling thing to do or whatever. But it got impressed upon my heart and I cannot stop really saying it to as many people

public publicly as I can. Whatever it is that God's laid on your heart, now is the time to do it. It's right now because you're going to have a hard time even figuring out what is going on in the world in the next 365 days. You know if if you're your heart's desire for how to serve the Lord, if your vision for a future or whatever that calling is right now, it's based on how the world is right now that informs everything about your your the way you think about

your calling. And now is just the time to start doing it. And of course, for for a lot of our people, for a lot of people in general, you know, that might look like starting a podcast. It might look like, you know, doing a sub stack or whatever. You know, everybody's got their own thing. Maybe it's more boots on the ground focus like Dan, you know, there's some calling, some ministry that the Lord is equipping and calling you to.

Maybe it's just getting involved with something that already you're passionate about. Maybe it's getting involved with Millennial Mustard Seed. Maybe it's involved with getting, you know, getting involved with a ministry in your town, you know, but now is the time to do it. Now is the time to reach out. Now is the time to start doing that. The the enemy has laid many snares. He's laid many snares politically. He's laid many snares economically. You know, the the uncertainty of

today's world is is by design. It's not an accident. The entire battlefield is laden with booby traps. And these booby traps, maybe they're not meant to kill, steal and destroy every time. Maybe they're just there to turn your attention. Maybe they're just there to make you focus on some other concern, whether it's a worldly concern or relational concern. I don't know what it is. But the, you know, the enemy has had control of the battlefield

for a long time. And when things start to shift, when things start to slip, when things start to change, it's moments like this that those snares were constructed for. So I don't know really what that means for any individual out there certainly feel called the hammer at home as often as possible that now is the time to do the thing, whatever the thing was. If you don't even have a full picture of it, just take the first step.

You know, you're you have a Lantern that shines just as far to see the next stepping stone in the path that you're meant to walk. And so even if you can only see one step ahead, take a step. And if you don't know where the whole path is going, that's OK. You know, God's God wouldn't have you move in that direction if you didn't have a plan. And don't, don't let uncertainty.

There's a lot of there's infinite amounts of things to be uncertain about in the world today on the micro scale, on the meta scale, on the macro scale. But uncertainty is what faith is for. That is, you know, the the faith is the answer, the weapon against uncertainty. But uncertainty is a snare also. Dan, I want to ask you a question that fits in with all of this. Yep, As the wakening happens, how do you see an explosion of God sending into Heaven's armies getting in alignment with this?

I mean, you speak about false reality overlay, you know, quite frequently and that breaking down in that transition of kind of coming out of these, these falsehoods. Can you speak to the the, the things that may need to be heard right now in regards to Heaven's armies coming in alignment and cross pollinations of all these things starting to brew and bubble over? What does your mind do with

that? OK, so there's a few layers on this and this one question could be its own podcast in my opinion, or a whole conference, because it's huge. Yeah, I know it's, it's, it's really big, All right? At least from where I sit. But I, I'm going to give you a, a, a short list of some thoughts that I have on that.

So, so, so #1 and, and this is where I, I see a lot of things starting, you know, I mean, I wrote my first book back in 2010, you know, there was a lot of a number of people that really started talking about Nephilim and hybrids and

programming and Satanic ritual. There's a lot of crossover between those worlds, by the way, because people that are the Satanic ritual abuse survivors are the ones that are most likely to have had encounters with the hybrids and the entities, especially in the underground labs, etcetera. But you know that, so that crossover is real, but you know, to even talk about it puts a different frequency in the atmosphere and it begins a conversation.

And even if that conversation is only happening between two people's ears, that's a conversation that's happened, that's a mind that's being or in the process of being unlocked. So there's a whole aspect of that, this conversation that happens with disclosure with a, a group of people that are not afraid to have a conversation that breaks with the mainstream narrative and that that begins a, a dismantling of the false

reality overlay. Now the false reality overlay, the way that I see it is the reinforcement mechanism to assure success for the manipulators of society. Because like, like they say, you know who writes the history books? The victors and the people that have been winning a lot of the victories up until this time in history have been the Illuminati, OK. And, and, and it's, it's, it's been the Freemasons and these

groups. And so they, they get to write the history books and tell us where we came from, who we are and why we're here. Well, that's the fact. And what we're realizing is almost all of our view of world history, which has been given to us by organizations like the Smithsonian and other things, is it utterly defiled. And, and they're sitting on a lot of evidence to the contrary of the narrative that's being put forward.

And so we, the reinforcement mechanism is, if you don't believe this version of reality, which is false, we have this whole military arm called the psychiatric community that'll lock you up. Now you have to get enough buy in on the reality of a false reality overlay from people that are not lockable, like the people that can't be locked up because they are professionals, they are smart, they are degreed, they are sitting in seats of political influence

and, and, and Hollywood. And the more people that are coming, it's like, no, actually, this is real. This is truly, but it has to start with the grassroots somewhere somehow. So shattering the false reality overlay is, is one part of it the next layer to me or another major layer is a deprogramming layer. And this gets into the conversation on why I, I don't think that revival was ever a reality until deprogramming became part of the conversation. Why?

That's that's why you're reacting to that Rod. Oh my gosh, why? Because there are a lot of people that have been main players in mainstream Christianity that have been either cult plants or just manipulated by power brokers that sit behind the man. They, they, they don't get to be the man of God. They have to be the hireling of the Free Masonic Board that sits over the church. So you have a whole generation of people that have been trained and equipped.

And I'm going to put that in quotation marks by a oversight in the body of Christ that's been tampered with and corrupted a lot of leaders in the body of Christ. Unfortunately, we're groomed for that position. And it wasn't by Jesus. They were. And it is what we found out when we got into the work. It's like, so you have highly programmed individuals sitting in pulpits, but because that's what's trusted by the people that have the power and the money, that's also what gets

broadcast. So we are broadcast a version of Christianity that has been groomed to present a version of Christianity that doesn't challenge a false reality overlay. So that's just one area. But you have a whole generation of politicians that were groomed and programmed to do politics not by Jesus Christ and his convictions on their heart, but by actual satanic ritual abuse and MK Ultra inspired programming protocols to groom politicians to then be placed in roles.

And, and they get the money and they get the influence because they have the backing by the power brokers who are writing the history books. And I mean it. It's just insane how far down the rabbit hole you end up when you start really researching these things. You realize, wait, the whole society has been essentially hijacked from within. And, and so deprogramming has to be part of revival. And, and I, I say we're moving past revival because at this point in time, what I see is

revolution. Revival's for the church. Revolution is for the world. I see that we are on a path to that, But you can't take deprogramming out one of the reasons why the body of Christ was so stuck. It's like, why isn't God moving? Why is he doing more awesome things? It's because so many people in the body of Christ have been programmed.

So many leaders have been under programming, so, so much has been locked down from every area of society, whether it's Hollywood and and this is coming out with the DD trials, who was totally involved in all this stuff to the church, to politics, to CEO's of major corporate like program individuals sitting in all of these major areas being decision

makers, being gatekeepers. When you introduce deprogramming into the conversation, and you have a groundswell of grassroots people calling out the false reality overlay for what it is, then you begin to break the matrix. But that still is only part of the conversation, because then you have a whole other wave. And that other wave has to do with warriors, actual spiritual warriors.

In my spiritual experience, whether it's in my own personal prayer closet or on behalf of the people God has called me to serve, had to contend with most of the highest ranking powers in the Kingdom of Darkness, including Lucifer and Satan. In a very direct way, it's just been part of the job description. What I've realized is that they have to be reminded who's boss because they don't understand

anything except power. They understand the power of God. When God comes and slaps them out of their power structure as a result of what his children are doing in response to our prayers, the army that has to come up and then it, you know, deal the death blow to these powers of that.

That's how you actually weaken the the movements of the Kingdom of. So we've gotten into some really unique approaches to doing the stuff that I think are are pretty far ahead of where a lot of the, you know, others in the body of Christ. But that's part of the forerunner concept. You know, one of the things we did most recently at our at our bribe tribe advanced. You know, we don't do events where it's just like, all right, everybody just come in, learn some information and go home.

Like at our annual conferences, we are always pushing the envelope on something inspired by the Lord. This most year, we most recent year, we took on Babylon like as as an entity Babylon. And we didn't do it as like platform ministry. And I was like, everybody watch me take on the spirit of Babylon. We did it as like 500 people strong in A room in agreement. And I'm, I'm not going to explain all the mechanics of how we went about doing that, but we did.

And everybody that was there knows we as one body of Christ pronounced judgment on 10/10 aspects of Babylon's influence in this earth. And I have watched this entire year the news spell out the judgments that the 500 or so that were standing with me at our bride tribe advanced this year pronounced and and and things that literally just made no sense. It's like this will never happen. No way that's not possible and

it's happening. And so it's, it's the warfare is not something that happens because you have one mighty man of God that sits on a hill. Like what what we're moving into is an era where it's the United body of Christ as a corporate temple housing the glory of God. And that that that's the governing body, that's the ecclesia that has the authority

to then rewire the spirit world. Now that level of stuff is only going to expand as we go forward because this is this is where the confrontation to the beast system, it happens. And so, so you, you have this cascade and then there's phases beyond that that I kind of talked to a little bit, but you know, I'm going to pause there. I've said enough. No such thing as saying enough, Dan.

There's so much to be said. And I love that idea that you're painting, which is just exactly the marching orders that I've been hearing from the Lord too, is we, we are, we have to stop being on the defensive. We execute his judgments in the earth. That is not a passive role. That is a because you've sat at his feet and you've been naked before him and you've cried your tears and you've had your broken heart and you've you've walked through the shadows.

You have been clothed in his glory because of the humility he's wrought in your soul. It's the only thing that can carry His glory and His power is that deep humility that transcends observable action. It is your identity. And when we, when we execute judgement from that place, what is the enemy going to do? Nothing. He's going to roll over and feel sorry for himself. Why? Because we are his bride. What would He not do for us? How would he not show up?

It's it's what he has created all of this for is the manifestation of who he is. And that's being seen in the army of volunteers. It's being seen in those who have watched his wisdom execute deliverance that mankind could never have mapped out without the Holy Spirit.

And so when you, when I'm I just yes and Amen to this governing body, the truly, the ecclesia truly coming online and living it out in ways that are then measurable in society and geopolitics and, and whatever it is, because this is what's breaking forth. This is it. There's there's no stopping it now. Why? Because he's faithful. This has been his plan all along.

This is just the next step. You've talked about ages and cycles and so many of your you had a good long sermon series and and scrolls and the pre Adamic. And when you roll all these things together, it paints a picture of momentum that is truly beyond wisdom. It is so supernatural and incredibly providential and and we just have to submit to the to the prescription of his calling in our day-to-day life. What is he doing? What is he saying? What is he doing?

What is he saying? It's on repeat in my head. I just invite people to have the same thought when they encounter anything. What are you doing? What are you saying? Because the way that the Lord executes his agenda in the earth, sometimes it's very nuanced, and you are underestimating the power of your proclamations. Don't sell. Don't prostitute your agreement in the earth for demonic agendas. Don't shake your head when somebody's saying, oh, the darkness is coming, this

generation's last. No, don't even put an ounce of agreement in that place because it's a lie. And you're underestimating the power of your agreement. And Dan, I learned this from you. There is so much value in the Kingdom of darkness to human agreement because of who we are. We can't sell that short and those opportunities that come to declare his judgment in the earth to speak as the ecclesias sometimes there with there are the whispers. It's not always the thundering.

It's not always oh, now this geopolitical body's doing this thing. We must not consent and pray against us like he will whisper to you in your you're walking down the street and he'll show you some Prince, some ruling entity in a place, and you can just listen to him and he'll tell you how to break that thing's face off and shackle it to the underworld and just shut it up for the rest of eternity.

Why? Because this is the systematic dismantling of a system that has held humanity in bondage for generations. And he's over it. He's for the liberty of his people. God is reconciling everything to himself in the hashemiens, in the heavens and on the earth. And so yeah, Carly, not underestimating the declaration episode 180, I did the spiritual Declaration of Independence over the state of Pennsylvania.

And with what Dan is saying, I really do feel like bride ministry was doing like a way bigger thing in the ecclesia. And and some of that trickle effect came out through one person saying within my state, I am going to be that bold. The righteous are bold as lions. Folks, remember that scripture. And so all of this like just makes more and more sense as we

go along. Baz, I want to I want to ask you because what I what I've been so blessed by you and Gans is, is the word also says plant and water seeds. And then God gives the growth, right? And it's like the idea of bamboo, that root network, you'll never know it's developing. It's under the darkness of the earth for five to six years and it shoots up within 24 hours to 8 feet and then higher and it just takes over everything, but it builds like this invisible

kind of network. 1st and this is one of these perspectives that I believe is encouraging for me personally and others out there listening with what you guys are doing through a news analysis through just being kind of juggernauts in the space of you can say whatever you want, send a million messages and signals, but Basil and guns are going to maintain a posture of Jesus Christ as Lord in the midst of all of it.

It's another one of these kind of beautiful, if I could even say a, a, a sequence of fivefold ministry starting to, to come together. But like, you know, we're, we're each in a lane and have something that we specialize in. So I do, I want to pass it back to you with this idea of combating, right, the stance that you have taken just year

after year after year. We're going to talk about the glory of God and we're going to break down the the news in a way that glorifies the one name that's above every name. And what are your thoughts with how many seeds you've planted, Basil that you're unaware of? Sorry. Yeah. I mean, we're, we're just so blessed. It's it's a weird business to be in. Anybody who, you know, primarily does stuff online, it's just kind of a weird way to live your life that can have a lot of extremes.

And I will say so grateful to God to hear again since because he has sustained us for so long just together as a team. And whatever he walks us through, I'll say it's not every day. But when we do get somebody who reaches out and maybe they've been listening again, like I said, for 10 years or more, or maybe it's a teenager who first heard us, you know, when riding in the car with their parents, you know, in 2012 or something. For me personally, it is an it's

a miracle. Honestly, it's an absolute miracle because it's a lonely business sitting here day after day for anyone who is following a calling that God has given them. When you're called to something, you know you must do it. You know you must show up, and you know that God's got your back. But it's not always apparent in the sort of material human way that we desire, you know, as far as day-to-day encouragement or day-to-day measurements of success or day-to-day reminders

that you're on the right track. And you know, not only with, in this case, podcasting, but you know, I've been in the ministry in, in all its various forms. Since I was very, very young and for anybody who is trying to follow the calling that God has put on their hearts, it will become intimately familiar with this feeling of going long stretches and and wondering to oneself in the dark of night, Am I even doing this right? Like am I following am I, what am I, what am I doing?

Like there's is there a time, how would I know if God wanted me to stop or how would I know if I got off track with what God wanted? And he has this amazing ability to bring the perfect person to say the perfect thing at the perfect time. Not to measure by man's standards, you know, not to measure success by man's standards. But this really gentle, gracious, otherworldly confirmation, sometimes straight from the, you know, the mouth of children where you go.

It does. It doesn't even matter what the literal words are or what the, you know, what the context is. But he speaks through these little moments of, like you said, people saying, oh, I found you in 2012 and I found you at the right time or oh, I'm getting a little bit of a bounce back from somebody there. I don't know if that was me or whatever. And you start living your life

by these different standards. And it's these standards of God sort of just taking a paintbrush almost and painting your life 1 little brush stroke at a time. And it's, you know, incredibly rewarding, but takes takes something like getting used to something, you know, you got to get used to it. And part of that is being so sensitive, trying, trying your

best. But often times it's happens when you stop trying, you know, to to develop this sensitivity, this moment, like somebody said earlier, where it's a whisper, which is a really special thing, but totally outside of the usual measurements of success. Now, that being said, when it comes to planting seeds, that is, I am so grateful to have spent enough time in, in the church and in ministry to have developed to this sense that the only job we have is to plant

seeds. And you know, the harvest is, is, is God's, is God's domain. And it's just been incredible to see. I mean, back to some of the first comments I made in this conversation, the it's almost like the growing period or between planting and harvesting is so invisible, happens by God's timing and happens in other people's lives that when the harvest comes in, it is an absolutely is an absolute celebration.

I was trying to think of maybe some sort of image or metaphor to compare it to, but I really have a hard time doing that. But that's, that's really all we're called to do.

You know, when I encourage people to take that first step and get doing what God wants them to do, there is a, a process of disconnecting your measurement of success with God's measurement of success and living a life where the best thing you can do is say the words that God, you know, has called you to say and then just wait patiently. And that's on an individual level here. And I think we're also seeing it honestly on a worldwide level.

Like Dan alluded to, you know, everybody is playing this different part in the battle. And much like, you know, a real sort of military or an intelligence scenario, you only really know what your job is. You only really know what your instructions are, what your orders are, and you know, you have to trust that whoever is in charge has a broader picture.

And it's being carried out not because it's just a brilliant plan, but because everybody has agreed to just do exactly what they've been ordered to do. And so, so I just encourage everybody to do that. I'm so well said, Baz. And I mean, Carly, do you kind of want to put in, you know, some last thoughts as we we start to land this plane and then we'll pass it to, you know, just closing statements.

And I'm pretty sure everybody on the MMS knows where to find Canary Cry Radio and Bride Ministries with Dan Duvall. But we're also going to offer, you know, a minute for them guys to plug in anything they'd like. So. Yeah, I would love to just admonish the listener to recognize how intimate and personal your walk with the Lord needs to be as the world continues to change and turn into something that we can't entirely conceive of right now.

The most important thing that you have in your arsenal is knowing His voice. That is going to be everything and it has been everything the whole time, but it's been overlaid with formulas and bunch of math stuff that just, it's not going to suffice for what we're walking into and keep pressing in. It's not a performance. It's a deep intimate place with the Lord. It's deep inside. That's where the victory starts. And if you nurture that, nothing, nothing will hold you

back. You will live in victory in every moment of your day, even when it doesn't look like it. You will know because your identity is victory. Period. That's what it is. So it doesn't matter what it looks like out here.

You're showing up on the top because you seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. This is an identity issue, and as much as we rightly talk about the execution of our identity and how that plugs in to the world, it is it ultimately your purpose is to express the marriage between your being and the being of Christ into the earth in everything you do.

It doesn't matter if you're folding the laundry or you're preaching A sermon or you're writing prayers that shake heaven and earth or you're connecting dots for 15 years so people can start to understand the false reality overlay, all those things that we're talking about. Who is sitting on this panel right now? It is less about the formulas that that they are presenting through the hardships of their life.

And it's about showing up in the truth of of the intersection between Christ and who you are in everything. It's authenticity, it's honesty, it's rawness, it's realness. It's the truth that cannot be dampened, period. Because it's literally on fire. So stand in your victory and walk forward knowing that you are exactly who he needs right now. You already are. You're not broken. You're not broken. You have everything you need in you. And that is the truth that needs to be wrestled with.

And the places inside your, and I'll finish with this, the places inside yourself where there's doubt, that's a holy place the Lord is waiting for you inside of to reconcile the truth to your heart realm. He's sitting there waiting for you. Open the door and walk in and Sup with him, as Dan has said so many times, because in that place the truth will be born into this realm. And that's so important. So thank you all so much.

It has been such a blessing of a conversation, and I pray it goes far and wide and touches all the lives and all of the cosmos that needs to hear it. Because you're right, this isn't, this is not just about people. This is about reconciling the cosmos to the Creator. Every aspect of creation is crying out for reconciliation. Amen. And how great is it when we do that together in unity with one mind?

So Dan, I want to pass it to you and just say, you know, plug in where you can be found and give your recommendations for the audience who have taken this emotional and powerful roller coaster ride with us. Ridemovement.com, that's our ministry website. danduvall.com you can find our podcast. We have a lot of resources that you can navigate, including all of our ministers at Service Coaches, a free deliverance portal, prayer resources, a whole school, etcetera.

We do also, you know, I mean absolutely press the foundation and the basics like the Word of God, prayer time, fasting. There are certain spiritual, foundational things that everybody needs in their life if they're going to ascend to the higher calling in Christ, that that deals with some of the things that I was speaking to earlier. And if you don't know where to start, start there.

Amen. Amen. And Baz, same thing for you brother, plug in where you can be found tying, tying a quick loose ends that you might have. Yeah, absolutely. Well, we have a couple of different things going on at the same time, which is always confusing. But we have Canary Cry Radio, which is, you know, you'll find a collection of a decade or more opportunities of diving into the sort of foundational research that has become so popular nowadays across the board.

We just recently had the opportunity to speak with Zoltan Estevan, who is a fellow we've been tracking for quite some time. He is a transhumanist. He started the Transhumanist Party, technology transhumanism. This is obviously another one of those things that was so fringe and weird to talk about, especially through a biblical lens. And it is very much a biblical and prophetic tough topic that has so much to do with with

everything. And we got a chance to sit down with him after many years of following his story there. So you can hear that most recent conversation with him at Canary Cry Radio. We're on YouTube and places like that. But I always point people towards the podcast version that, you know, whatever your favorite podcast player on, just search Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry News Talk. I know we should have chosen much different names because people get them mixed up a lot.

They are two different shows can hear Craig news talk is where you can get a couple times a week. We are just diving into the current events, trying to bring sanity, trying to be bring the biblical perspective and keep everything rooted in Christ and what our daily practical response to the madness is. Because remember, the media is not just the news. It's not it, it is the control

mechanism. It is the illusory magicians who are controlling language, controlling stories, not for, you know, for anything else, but to control our perception of reality. And if we can't trust our perception of reality, that causes a lot of problems, as I'm sure many people here can attest to. So, you know, it's really a, a family affair.

We've got a great community and we encourage everybody not to just treat it as a, you know, just another podcast or news source, but really consider it a a family of believers who can find each other and do our best to make it through that unreal reality that's being sort of forced on us all the time. And again, you can find us on YouTube and Rumble and stuff. But of course, the podcast version is my personal

recommendation. And it really is meant to be, as you know, this this far along in the movements, the sort of fringy, prophetic biblical lens to try to see past the illusion. You know, this is a movement with a long history.

And it is one that is primarily focused, I believe, on trying our best to get back to the objective reality of creation as as God intended us to be living in, to be walking in like Adam in the garden and keeping that focus every day is, is a very encouraging and a very motivating thing to wake up to. So encourage everybody to do that. And thank God that my voice seemed to have somehow made it to the end of the episode. So praise God for that too.

I think you sound better here at the end than than right out the RIP man. So praise God for both of you. Dan Broad Ministries Basil and Canary Cry Carly excellent Co host on this one. You had great questions, great insights. I'm going to close this out reading a quick piece of scripture for you. O God have heard my vowels. You have given me the heritage of those who fear your name. You will prolong the King's life, his years, as many generations. He shall abide before God forever.

O prepare mercy and truth, which may preserve him. So I will sing praise to your name forever, that I may daily perform my vows. Psalm 61, five through 8. Well, that's it. That's the show. You guys, you know the deal. Share this one far and wide. It helps us find one more person just like me and you. And honestly, it's just the right thing to do Bye. I trusted in your word many troubled nights. All that darkness thought I lost my sight. The devil shooting shots, trying to end my life.

But I'm covered by the blood, so I'm going to be all right. I'm down one, but I'm up to. I've been down once. But his Love's true. I'm seeking this face, feeling the grace. I'm running this race for eternity. Space. I need more love. Less tears, no more drugs, less fears. The stress reel detached it. I'm washing over everything up in my mind. Pummel the devil. How's this feel you?

Out of time. Look, God, you said, you never leave me. 'Cause my baby pictures, they got me crying like I'm dissing the devil and I'm praying just real hard in the spirit. I'm really feeling the Holy Spirit is coming near me. I'm like Lord God, be the way, the truth, the life, don't ever leave me. Jesus Christ, I really need you tonight. I'm like, Lord God, you put it on my heart. You're moving in and through me and you're erasing all the dark. You're the way. You're the truth.

You're the lie. Lord God, you said you never leave me. Lord God, you said, you'll always. See me through, you'll always see me through. Lord God, you said you'll. Never leave me. Lord God, you said you'll always see me. Through. You'll always see me through. Yeah, you justified the sentence. Me, I pray you don't prepare me. Times I remember. And think about the penalty. Desires of the heart brought rebellion, causing enmity. Lord, you know the truth here. Despite who we pretend to be.

I'm giving you the enemy. This is what it looked like. And This is why I took Christ, the one who made a crook life. Forgive me for my idol words. Every word. I took life sometimes. I should have stayed here. For every step I took life. My God ain't desert me. Capsized and mercy. Baptized and mercy. Yeah. I should have died from backsliding, curses, trapped, dies and hurses and capsized. My purpose here, Lord God, you said you never leave me.

Lord God, you said, you'll always see me through. You'll always see me through. Lord God, you said you never leave me. Lord God, you said you'll always see me through. You'll always see me through.

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