Hello, folks, this is Princess, you are listening to the millennial Mustard Seed, pod casts. Thanks for listening. Don't forget to share with your friends. I stopped wearing a very tough spot. I think that what we're doing right now is a great benefit and virtue because it's an end-around between this whole corrupt informational system media system. We claim to believe in a God who spoke the universe into existence and literally raised
himself from the dead. And yet, we're not going to believe that anything else exists in the spirit realm, even though his word tells us that they do, Their bodies weren't permitted to go to sleep, like humans, do. And there were permitted to go to heaven. So they wander the Earth, you know, I've seen the eyes turned black to tongues being spoken. These Giants were love way up
with all the upgrades. The young man was high up in the trees, the way for one of these, twelve Footers to come walking down the back and they would jump on kill Dragon back. Then people start to get weapons, I start to get armor, they start to build cities, they social fortify their cities. Now, God looks down and there's violence everywhere. The battle this war that we are at, is not against each other. It's against these principalities in these rulers in, these are cons in high places.
It's really worthwhile to read the Bible. Use fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control because we have to take every thought captive and resist. You're going to have a testimony that is a Justice case against the kingdom of darkness. Welcome back to the show. Here we are season 4, episode 1, it's been quite a journey. I hope you guys liked that new introduction.
It's a little bit long, but the idea is I may end up Cutting it in half and alternating between that really awesome new introduction. All the audio is literally from the last three seasons, it's just highlights and clips that I thought were important. And that really do lay out the premises of the show. I have an exciting episode for you guys. Vicki, Joy Anderson is here and we talk about sleep paralysis. She wrote a book on it. She's dealt with sleep paralysis or whole entire life.
And literally the conversation morphs into this amazing breakdown of how were viewing things, how I'm just understanding and growing as I go. And we kind of just shoot back and forth and some of the realest topics. I don't think this sleep paralysis has been broken down this way or talked about the way that it is here with us on this episode and I'm excited. You guys are here, but I'm not going to waste any more time. You guys ready for this episode? I'm Welcome back to the show
everybody. I have an excellent episode in store for you tonight. Vicki Joy. It is a honor to have you here on the show. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. This will be fun. Yeah, this is gonna be great. You're the expert in a topic. Sleep paralysis and it goes under the radar. Nobody like a church will talk about this. But yet I know people suffer from this all the time, and this has been going on a long time.
How long have you been looking into the topic is sleep? Paralysis Vicki? Well, I've had on the job training since I was about 3 years old, nobody wants to sleep paralysis, right? So I was an unwitting, an unwilling volunteer, but I didn't really hear that.
The, the phrase sleep paralysis until I was in my early 30s and I tell you I was shocked because up, to this point, I thought I was the only person in the world who had this experience because like you said, nobody talks about it, especially, you know, back in the 70s and 80s, right? Then, you can land yourself in a psych ward on heavy psychotropic medication. If you did talk to people about it, but I was listening to an
apology. This podcast back in my early 30s and I was listening to it as I was falling asleep. And so when I woke up kind of in the middle of the night and it was still going and it was kind of creepy because, you know, when you wake up in the middle of the night and you're groggy and you're kind of half asleep, and I had kind of didn't really realize that my podcast was still playing. And so I was just hearing this guy.
Verbatim explaining my exact sleep paralysis experiences and I thought, oh my gosh, I'm having a nightmare. Like they're taunting me this because like, who in the world would ever know that this was happening? And and then they said, another one of the hosts said, well, yeah, that they call that sleep paralysis and chills just ran all the way up and down my spine. I mean, I just went cold and so it was this really
revolutionary. Moment in my life because it was somewhat off-putting and frightening. But on the other hand, then I was so shocked and relieved to know that this wasn't like, just me. Yeah. And now that was the real early days. Like I think you know, you had CompuServe in a couple like there was no Google. I mean the the internet was out there but it was really hard to find stuff and it was just message boards.
So I the next day I kind of was just Reading message boards and hundreds of people, describing this experience and it blew my mind. That's why I've always had like some, like, strange dreams in, a lot has gone on in my personal life, but it wasn't until real real recently that I experienced sleep paralysis and I didn't even know, like, like you were saying like we hear these terms today and it's like, we don't always know exactly what it means anymore.
Who knows with language. Chuck miss, you should say it's hermeneutical hygiene, right? Being very precise and being tight and clean in the way that we deliver information. If we're serious about what we're doing. But we're I come out of a culture where it's just like you really have no idea what the candidates are, the local slang
is anymore. When you are talking with someone experienced her of this particular attack and you can feel it in their voice, you just know that something terrifying happened to them Amiga slap whatever. Alone if you want. But I mean, for me at least Vicki, like, I, I'm an empath and in a way where I really try to slow down and like care, like, listen and be like, hey like, what's going in your life? What are you going through? Because we all have a story, right?
But, sleep, paralysis is one of those things that, so widespread and when, when we say sleep paralysis from my understanding, I mean, obviously, we're going to have you go into all this, but there's a couple different like levels of sleep. I don't know the language. Good for this but there's like deep sleep or like REM sleep and supposedly like your body like you know, relax is itself so that you don't harm yourself when you're sleeping, right? So it's a natural thing.
But there's like this weird little gray area in between where people get trapped and then they're kind of tormented there and that and I'm like, okay that's super creepy. And I've now I really feel bad for people that are experiencing this because What happened with me recently? Vicky. Yeah, I could tell for I don't think it was longer than 10 seconds and I normally wouldn't go this far and share like personal stuff like this on the
podcast. But I've really been feeling like God is really going to make some power moves for the the chosen ones, the body body of Christ, not the building people that are like at the button-down Zone, but the people that are in the gutters that are calling out, his name, fighting the battle. So as I feel making myself a little bit more vulnerable, I believe this come with more protection and just more anointing from God. But I'll share this one experience here.
I wake up and it must have been 132 in the morning. And as soon as I don't even know, as soon as I wake up or whatever like I acknowledge that my eyes are open and I'm watching what's going on around me in my room. There's a large creature in the right hand corner and I can't really see an outline per se or anything. I just and I don't even remember what color of the eyes were, but their thighs were just slits and they were different.
He was blacker than black and he was so dark, it was like I don't even explain it. And I went to throw my arm up and be like in the name Christ you get out of here now and I couldn't lift my arm. No, this isn't how this works and I literally remember in this, this 10-second experience. I had more recent than not a little bit before Halloween
here. And I said, I'll just say it silently in my head and you'll listen and I said in the Name of Christ you get out of here, and as soon as that happened, I was able to make a fist. My fingers bent and I was like, I like, yes. Yes, Jesus, right? And I went lifted my arm up and it's weird because it felt like like up in the air, like it's so weird. I don't know if I woke up, then if I was actually asleep.
I don't know how this stuff works but it was like Like a presents left, but it like I had, you know, I'm sitting up little droplets of sweat coming down my head and I look over to my wife and I grabbed her. And I'm like, honey.
So then I get up and start walking around my house and you know, whatever I'm not going to keep rumbling on, but that, that bothered me because not that I could ever remember, I've dealt with sleep paralysis, I don't know if they're able to like, Veil memories or dreams or what I'm so happy that you're here because here I am at the end of the road on this.
Yeah, it's interesting that you say, I wonder if they're able to Avail the memories and things because Jim wilhelmsen, who wrote the book beyond science fiction? I think it's called something to that effect and he talks more about the UFO Abduction phenomenon, but he does give a few kind of hat tips to sleep paralysis in the book as well, but he's the first one I ever heard Meuse.
That like a UFO Abduction. There may also be missing time and missing memories with the sleep paralysis episodes. And when I first heard this, I sort of had willful cognitive dissonance. I didn't really want to contemplate that possibility because I already kind of knew. I thought, what I was dealing with because you these events are so traumatic that you have a crystal clear memory. Of them, unlike night terrors. And unlike alien abductions,
sleep paralysis. Experiencers typically have a very Vivid recall of what has happened to them and they can explain in great detail. Like you just did what they saw. What they felt kind of, all five senses are engaged and they kind of big explain smells. They explain everything.
So this concept that there could actually be portions of this memory or this episode that you don't remember opens up a whole nother host of potential possibilities as to what could be going on. You don't even have a memory of and where this gets scary where this gets scary is you you lose out on a couple of the features of saving UFO phenomenon. A lot of people who have the UFO experience, they have no immediate recall of what happened.
Now that stuff can be, you know, And later under deep hypnosis, which is a Christian. I would never recommend, but memories can come back slowly and dreams. It's kind of like the same thing that you know, mind-controlled or MKUltra sufferers will talk about about 25. 30 years old memories will start coming back. Oh wow. But what they, what they do know is I know something happened because I have this this missing time. And the clever albeit diabolical aspect of sleep paralysis.
If it is the same type of thing is we wake up. You know, alarm goes off at 6:00 7:00. Let's say we've been asleep, five to eight hours, depending on, you know, are sleeping schedule. No one's going to wake up at 6:00. 7:00 8:00 in the morning. Go, oh my gosh, I have missing time because we expect to lose So to speak that time while we're asleep.
And so if something did happen of a supernatural or more accurately, a preternatural, we aren't going to necessarily know, if our memory has been wiped and we're not looking out for missing time then how will we know? And the the scary fact of the matter Rod is I do believe in many cases, there are sleep paralysis, sufferers Who have episodes that they remember, and they have episodes that they do
not remember. Furthermore, I believe that there are people out there who say, I have never experienced sleep paralysis who may have many times and they're not recalling it. And so what, what gets potentially frightening in this situation is and I hear this all the time in the Christian church. Why do we have so many people? Who are I'm? Talking about legitimate Believers. I'm not talking about the Pew warmers and the Hypocrites. I'm talking about people who genuinely love the lord.
They're seeking to obey him, they're pursuing Holiness. They're living a pure Godly life and yet there's no Victory. There's depression, there's anxiety, there's guilt, there's shame. There's unresolved and unhealed wounds and no matter how The books, they read, or how many little devotionals they buy or how much they pray, or all of the things that were supposed to do to bring us Victory? Why do so many people in the church?
May not get over that hurdle and move past that mile marker where they have Victory and joy and contentment in all these things that Christ purchased for us and one for us across. And I think that there are many answers to that, but under the Ella of the topic that we're talking about, I am going to ask people in their own times of prayer to seek through prayer, and to beseech, the spirit to reveal to them.
If there were any astral covenants made without their knowledge that need to be undone because this is where a lot of people Rod. They stop me. This is where the Christians get triggered and they say They can't. That's a violation of our free will. They can't? That's not fair. They can't trick us.
And I understand that point of view, but if you go all the way back to Genesis, the very first example of, of a human being making an alliance with the serpent was done through trickery, they were, they were tricked. She was seduced. And so I don't think that it's any different now and was it a violation of her free will. She got tricked, but God didn't come down and say, okay, I'm going to hit the reset button because you were tricked and
that doesn't count. They were held accountable for
that. And so what I'll end on this and then we can move on. But what, what I have had to work through in my own life and I do address this in my book, quite a bit in chapter 4. What we have to address is, it's not just enough to say Jesus in the name of Jesus, get out, you know, calling on the name of Jesus, will get the entity out of your bedroom in that moment, but more has to be done to make sure, whatever open door that entity walked through has to be
closed. So you have to do your due diligence to make sure whatever door was open that they brazenly walked through to access me. Was that door open and what door is it? And this is where we need to pray. And really ask for Supernatural, wisdom and discernment in what opened this door and what can I do? What do I need to do?
To close these doors? Because I'm telling you from experience, and from the hundreds of people, I've talked to, for every one that remembers a sleep paralysis experience, there's people that don't remember. And when they pray these prayers, To break these covenants that they have made with, with these other entities. Not only is it freed them not only has it.
Stopped the sleep paralysis, but those brick walls that they were hitting in their faith where they could not get, they were doing all the church, the going to church and reading the Bible and doing the bible study lessons and leading the small group, but they didn't have the joy. They didn't have the affection. They didn't have the passion to see his face and Heaven one day that emotional connection.
Ian wasn't there. Once these aberrant betrothal covenants that have been made in the astral with these anti bridegroom's were broken and they were able to, then 100% legally, be married to the bridegroom and the bride groom only that intimacy then was able to flourish. You hit on so many important points there. I mean, yeah. Eve's beguiled in the garden, right? Like she's she's tricked. There's something going on there and yeah. Christians do start to cut out at that.
Oh no. We can't be deceived. Know we all have free will pour. It's like we have free will to call on the name of God. Like like we know when we're kids, right? Like if you're going to steal or do something bad like, you know, as bad, like nobody really has to teach you that on the inside, its Screaming out, do not steal that pedal bike or whatever you're thinking about doing, but that concerts can be sheared over time like calloused, right?
And some people make a life out of crime then, but if you talk to him and you've ever talked with like, you know, somebody who has a reputation like that. They'll tell you, I knew it was wrong when I was younger, but they're not just didn't care
anymore. And that's such a common thing and I go I think our Free Will is to acknowledge like, God, you are, who you say, you are, you're there and I can call on your name, and then you're hitting on the, and most Christians might not even want to come to that perspective, Vicki where they're just willing to admit. Hey, it's so much deeper, and weirder, and darker, and there's so many different layers to this.
Onion, we are not even scratching the surface right now on the reality of what's really going on. We've been systematically desensitized by. Encampments that were not willing to acknowledge exists. So, therefore, if my Jesus is this big, but he's not big enough to overcome, you know, intergalactical alien races or whatever. I'm just saying like I'm not it's not out of the question for me.
I'm not putting God in a box. That's the whole purpose of this show in the journey is like I'm not going to put God in a box. I know what the word says and the word. There's a lot of smoking guns and alludes to a lot of different things. I'm not a theologian. I'm the guy next door and I got weird. Questions and everybody has a different answer but when I pray and talk with God about it, I feel peace that he's in control
and he's the power move. He is who he says he is and he's way more wild than I could wrap my head around so I have to almost be okay with being malleable to the extent of man. If this church over here I say church I think people most people say Church they think building Cena meme today. I can't believe people say they don't want to go to church. Because the Hypocrites and then it was like, some guy's face
making a funny face. And he said, underneath his, he said, that's like, not wanting to go to the gym because people are out of shape their the thought it was funny to like, you know, the out I'm like, yeah, I'm a set like but then I started thinking about it and I'm like, bro, people that come into the church if they're really going to like become like David. He was like, all right. Now I'm going to go to the house of the Lord.
I'm going to worship right here. Just showing up just because it was cool. And then cracking jokes about people that weren't going because whatever like he was like, nah, like I'm a soldier I'm coming in, I need to eat the bread that's on the show table because me and the guys are starving. We've been out here, exposing the darkness. We've been out here rattling, the cage. We've been out here, exposing the enemy. We've been out here taking hits.
We've been out here getting bombs dropped on us and you guys are sitting around here. Eating cupcakes, making me US. Amen. I'm sorry I didn't even think I would go, but I'm so involved in, like, emotionally what I'm saying, I felt the Holy Spirit there because if this is the last generation people need to hear this, maybe maybe I need to take a better approach. May be new to like slow down. Just be cool because I don't want to offend anybody who
listens to this. But I want people to know when, when we come to the church, like who's got the gift of servitude, because we might need you to wrap some wounds. The Bible says he who is spiritual? Come alongside and help your brother at the get, who's got the gift of healing because the prophecy, right? Like not despising those things on just letting them be what they are. And I feel like there's this cookie cutter mentality with Christianity, where people
filter things through. And they joke really, elaborate lie really complex jokes about this isn't that? But they're not aware of the fact that like the battle the battles out here and when I'm out here in the gutter and somebody's long, sodomy crime with me and laughing with me, whatever I'm going through and they're going through like that is The church, bro. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, and we've, we've gone from the biblical language which is extremely militaristic.
We have language, like, Great Commission, which is it, which is a military term. And we have, you know, we lose it in the English but, you know, Yahweh several old, you know, it's the god of the captain of the armies, you know? And and there's a lot of metaphors in Scripture that are comparing Us to soldiers and we've kind of moved from the front lines of battle to the triage tent.
Here, we are two thousand years later and we're still all using military terms, but we're all in the triage tent showing each other, our wounds and counseling each other. And and I'm not saying there's not a time and a place to minister to each other and encourage one another. But nobody really wants to heal in the triage tent and get Back on the battlefield, you know, we're all kind of stuck in the
triage tent at this point. So I'm in agreement with what you're saying about the David and the showbread and and the warfare that's out there, we can stick our heads in the sand and say that we're in a new civilized era and there's no persecution and there's no Warfare but as well as Russ dizdar used to say, if you bury your head in the sand, you're just, you know, priming yourself to get kicked in the butt because your butts in the air. If your heads in the sand.
Nikki, I think that that's why this is like so important. I was saying to La. I'm like man, this is a podcast. Ultimately, I'd never considered it to be in a Ministry. I was just I wanted to take this journey, I wanted to do something unique, by capturing the process of the journey, because I knew what God had told me in the secrecy of my heart that I can't divulge on, but I knew I didn't know how it was
going to go down. So I was like, let's record the process and I'm just going to start asking all the questions that nobody will answer the sleep paralysis, right? The night mirrors. The deja vu like what do you name it? Whatever the millennial generation My Generation. We grow up and now we have these super computers, all the sudden and our pockets. Yeah. We're not like fighting to like
dial-up. I'm ever uses like fight with my, you know, siblings that dial up but they're like stop piling up. I need to get on the phone, right? Little the cord stretch 10 feet across as they're like fighting for the List. Did, you know cup of juice? Like, it was so much different when I was a kid. Then what we see today, but when we were coming into adulthood, we have super computers in our pockets. Yeah, right. This is a peculiar time to be alive.
Now, we're in 2023 and I'm looking around and I'm going all of these messages and signals all of this confusion and Chaos. It is going to knock on everybody's door, some point. So what Vicki? And I are saying, right now, Thank you. Aurora said, get your head out of the sand and if your heads in the sand, don't come crying to me if you get kicked in the butt.
Right, you know, like but the whole purpose is like this pocket is just started to actually like become Other people's Journeys to other people that I can relate or oh, you know, they kind of were like, out of Crossroad or they were like, hey, that was some unanswered. Questions. I have five years ago in the same Journey, you're on. And I just started understand, you know what God, you're just so much bigger than us and we
cannot be ashamed. Let the redeemed of the Lord say, so, right, like, if we're being redeemed and Sanctified by him, I don't know what the big deal is, we should be able to cover these topics. So Vicki you study for like what 15 plus years about sleep paralysis and you're bringing a lot of wealth to this conversation for me and helping me to just really break a little bit more of the shell off myself of like, you know what? Yeah, we're going to slap on
sleep paralysis on this title. So a bunch of people are out there. They're like, you know what clickbait? Yeah, go ahead. Go on it, and if they get mad at me, it's like, Well, why'd you click on it, then you seen sleep trousers. Like, don't be mad at me. Listen to the whole thing, right? That's what's going on with these these entities. How do you think you? So, you talked about like the UFO background a little bit or what? Oh, look. You do still have either? Yeah.
Yep, I'm still here. Why don't you just show you one offline? This is I saw I saw that little pop-up thing too, but I am still here. Here. Okay. Well hopefully it's still recording. Both of us on my end and I'll just edit this little part out later. Okay, of course. Yeah, definitely, definitely understand that this is a This is pretty normal at this point, it's all good.
You know what, Vicki at this point if the enemy is trying to steal the Airways and this isn't recorded, and I can't edit this out later, like let's just say, it's just me, talking, will go and come back again. Well, pray up a little bit more on and really punch the devil in the face with with this one, but tell me, so tell me what's going on in your opinion, like what is your research led to, and Do you think that there's different camps? Is it all one camp?
But they're just like changing the mask and torturing people with paralysis or do you think this really is an abduction? Yeah, that's a great. That's a great question. And I might have had a different answer if you'd ask me even three years ago. But even just in my research since the book came out, I am really coming to the conclusion, maybe not every time, in every case you do nothing in the world really works 100% of the time, it's 100% always the same thing.
But I know there's people that I had sleep paralysis once or twice when I was a teenager Ager and or I had it once after a divorce or a really stressful time, but I'm kind of talking about the people who have been harassed with this over the course of their whole life. I do think that it is an abduction scenario and it's a transformational process. I talked about that a lot in the book, kind of the theme of it, is this transformational process and kind of where I like to
start. Just so, you know, a lot of Christians, they want the chapter and they The verse is specially, when you're talking about supernatural stuff, I do think that sleep paralysis is mentioned in scripture, but not much is said about it, it's obviously not fully unraveled for us, but we're, I like to take the bereans out there who, who are seeking chapter and verse in their testing every spirit is I like to take people to Ephesians 6:12 and then do a
little bit of a deeper dive. And when we talk about these rulers and authorities depending on what Ian, you're reading archons, Fallen Angels, spiritual entities, of darkness,
and evil. It seems to give us at least four categories, and I think there's more than four categories, and, but it's kind of giving this General overview that this these high places contain more than just, you know, what we would classically call a demon or a fallen angel and going back to what you What about Missler with the hermeneutical? Hygiene? I think a lot of churchgoers. Demon is sort of this catch-all. Anything, evil, anything strange, anything oppressive.
Anything you're acting is a demon and a demon is a very specific thing. A fallen angel is a very specific thing. A ruler and argon. These are specifically different things and then when you get into the house for realm ascended masters, that's something completely different. Different, a spirit guide is something different. There's human beings crawling around up there. There's cultists and and things
like that. And so we're I like to take people just so we're all kind of on the same page from the get-go is if you delve into the meaning of the high places because this is the location of these entities. And we know that these entities are our enemies. They're not our friends because it says, at the beginning of the verse that the Is not against flesh and blood. There we go with militaristic terms, again the battle. This war that we are at is not against each other.
It's against these principalities in these rulers in, these are cons in the high places. So it gives us the location and the English translations, high places, Heavenly places. If you go to the Greek, it's Epi rainiest. And if you study Epi rainiest Beyond just the lexical form definition in a Greek dictionary, you You go into the contextual meaning of it in that verse and how it's placed and how its conjugated it takes on a meaning of the lower heavens of the earth.
So it's not it's not the throne room of God, the the throne room where God dwells and where there's a throne and, and the seraphim and Posh maleme are there, and Jesus is at the right hand. That's not the place crawling with Spirit guides and ascended, masters, and people who hate us.
And so, it's a differentiation of the heaven, the way, a Christian were defined heaven, but it's also not talking about the sky, you know, you look up and you see an airplane in the clouds, it is a dimensional plane where these evil things hang out. And where it gets tough to have discussions, like this Rod is that sleep, paralysis, affects everyone of every religion. It's not something that just happens to Christians, but it happens to a lot.
Yeah, six, yeah, it happens to new agers, it happens to atheists, it happens to Buddhists Hindus Native America. It doesn't matter what your religion is or what your culture is it happens. And so what we have to understand, is we Have different words for this place and the
words can be very triggering. So if you say heaven, you can potentially offend someone who's not a Christian, if you say astral plane, then you're going to trigger Christians because that's an evil place and don't talk about astral projection. And there's been media that I've been involved with Rod where I've been instructed beforehand that I can't use the word astral and All astral means is of or pertaining to the heavens, The
Starry hosts. We know from Genesis 1 that these things were created by God, they are for seasons and for signs and for more Dean, there's nothing intrinsically in and of itself evil or new age, or a cultic about the starry hosts. Now, when you start bowing down and worshiping the starry, Or you start astral projecting into those Dimensions to to seek knowledge from these things.
Well yeah, now you've got a problem but yeah, acknowledging that there is an existence of an astral plane is not endorsing it or saying you should go there. I'm so for, for just the sake of everyone being on the same page, whether you call it, the astral realm, or the astral plane, or the lower astral, or the second heaven, or or the upper Aeneas or the high places or the Heavenly places. Basically, what we're just trying to differentiate as this place is not earth.
Hmm. And this place is not the throne room of almighty God. There is a place somewhere in the universe somewhere, dimensionally where the riffraff who are enemies of God and enemies of our soul, hang out, and they are looking for any opening. They can get to lure you or drag you up there for the purpose of transforming, your soul into the image and the doctrines of their Messiah. Not the Messiah of the scriptures. It just keeps building and
built. Like I hope the audience is like seriously hanging with us all because this is a good one. Like I'm like, I'm sorry to grip the chair a little bit and I'm like, I'm like, okay, I'm like, deja vu fits in that category as like his Universal doesn't matter Pond religions. You have all these words, hivemind parallel universe, astral projection right, produce science. I mean, you name it, right? And then you have to SRA victims, you got people that have been abused by By a cult
and dark followers of what? I'm not even going to name their names on here. It's just it's they don't have power. They have power with what they have power with, but they serve an inferior God. He's weaker whoever they're serving and getting orders from he is not like the Cod that I serve. Amen. And I wonder Is that why?
Most I know I'm not a judge. I don't want people to get the wrong idea when I'm about to say this because it could be taken the wrong way, but there's a lot of people in church and it seems like certain people are targeted in church with with bearing through life, with all of these. all of these, like our Things. Coming against them. Everything goes wrong. Nothing really works out for them.
They're dragging a chain and a ball and most people can't even see it. And that hardship, and deprivation is sometimes written on the sleeve of the shirt that they wear and they really truly want to be free. There really have been through the ringer most and like you were saying earlier Vicki if they try to talk about if they tried to actually give you a paragraph and describe to you what they may have dealt with. Recently. They're afraid to do that. If they did, you might want to
put them in a padded room. Yeah. And it's like, okay, well right now, I mean, this is how it's been and it's still kinda is like that, but now I've been noticing, like, CEOs and like law enforcement. I mean, I've talked with people, I won't get name names, but I can't believe that 56 years ago. I was getting made fun of for these topics in the people that come to me and talk with me now and ask me questions. I'm just like man you need to get in the word and yes it is all real.
Why are those people getting picked on in the church? Now, there's a could be a couple theories, right? Just the way, my mind is working here, Vicki. Maybe there's a large scoop of people in the church that are there there because deep down inside, they're looking, the trigger words, are where is this king of Mercy? Where's the king of Grace, right?
But then, there's this like facade that, like this fake thing that's being projected out because of trauma and torments, or just confusion or just the culture. So they're kind of sitting there in like, right? Like the kind of stagnant right there. Just kind of like waiting for. I don't know, maybe the right time or their strength of their own Spirit to start to get refreshed, whether it be through the gospel, being spread the true gospel actually waking through that area or not.
But then, you have other people that seem like, they're just waking up. So, I'm just like the movie, The Matrix, like, but some people have no idea what's going on at all. You got these other camps that are just like, Like, what are they talking about sitting there and churches? Just texting, you know, Amazon order on the way they you got a nice car. All their bills are paid. They got big plans to go travel,
right? They have no idea what it's like to walk around limping and saying God help. I mean some of my prayers have just been caught he'll help. Is the Veil Just thinning to the point where the injured are being coming, more visible. I'm going to, I'm going to address this. I'm and I'm going to start somewhere where you might think that I'm changing the topic but I'm not I'm coming around to this.
So to Job chapter 4, this is I think the most blatant example of sleep paralysis that we have in scripture and a lot of people get this wrong they just assume because it's in the Book of Job that part of jobs tour. I meant is that he was also having sleep paralysis. Like oh the poor guy, he's got all this going on and plus he can't even get a good night's sleep. They're coming out of that night. But what a lot of people don't understand is that this in this chapter it's not joke who's
suffering the sleep paralysis. It is elif as one of his not so theologically, correct comforters and so Job, 14 13 through 16 says amid disquieting thoughts from the visions of the night. When deep sleep falls on men, Dread Came Upon me and trembling and made all my bones. Shake, then a spirit passed by my face and the hair of my flesh bristled up. It's still it stood still, but I could not discern his appearance of form was before my eyes.
There was silence, then I Heard a Voice then eliphaz goes on to explain the wisdom that came from this spiritual visitor and what he's basically doing. Doing is what a lot of people in the modern Church. Do when they give you advice,
God told me this. I have a message for you from God. When you start a sentence, when you preface a sentence with what I'm about to say, comes from the mouth of God, that makes the sufferer incapable of arguing with you without coming off as being full of hubris. You're arguing with the words of God. And so what eliphaz is doing is the equivalent of Hey, a spirit from Heaven came down and visited me and gave me this
advice for you. So in other words, you can't argue with me, I have the upper hand in this conversation because this came from the mouth of someone from the spirit realm and some Angel. And we know from the end of the book that elephants had to be, you know, job had to offer sacrifices on behalf of the foolish counsel that these He's friends gave what the friends were saying this is getting around to your question. About people, nowadays in the church who wear this on their sleeves.
What what eliphaz and his two buddies were were trying to explain to job. Is your suffering is because you are a sinful man, you are unrighteous, you have unconfessed sin, so surely you deserve this somehow, you're you're getting just punishment for your. Unfaithfulness, you have open. And doors and this is your
comeuppance. And unfortunately what happens when you strip the Church of everything Supernatural, if you take the supernatural out of the scriptures, you take it out of the vernacular, you take it out of the comfort zone of what pastors and parishioners are allowed to speak about. Then when someone does speak out about it, they are In the same situation as job in that the council they get from their friends is usually something to the effect of what did you do to
open these doors? And then they start asking these probing questions. Like have you ever played with a Ouija board? Have you cheated on your spouse?
Do you watch pornography, have you ever dabbled in Witchcraft and and they start asking all these questions and And I'm not saying that sin and unrepentant sin and dabbling with witchcraft and Disobedience, don't open spiritual doors, of course they do. But we have to go beyond that because there are people as you say who have been targeted from the womb from the birth from childhood.
And one thing that I see somewhat consistently in the people, I talked to who have had sleep paralysis their whole life including myself. Is it started from the womb and many of them will talk about how they weren't supposed to live or they were born with some sort of thing, and they fought for their life in the ICU for the first month and not all of them are
that dramatic. But many of them will talk about many many experiences throughout the course of their life, but you came very close to dying car accidents, you know, falling off of you know, Roofs and all this. And you know, it's interesting as I was, I was interviewing people to include case studies
in my book. And in my book, there's not only does every chapter begin with a personal experience, from a different person, but there's an entire append is full of people's stories as well, but as I was interviewing people what I found without even having to ask as many of these people, as they were telling their stories would say. I almost died like seven times between when I was born in. Results like that. And so it got me thinking.
And I'm like, well, I know that I know that I almost died at Birth because I was born with this severe birth defect and whatever but other than that, but I was curious. And so, I started making a list and I've been doing this list now for maybe three or four years. And what I, if you would ask me like, hey, how many I almost died experiences? Do you have in your life? I'd say, like, oh, probably a couple of those surgeries I had were pretty serious, but that's all I wanted.
Said but having four years to pray over it and contemplate it, I now have a list of over 18 times in my life, where I very, very seriously, could have died. And I'm not talking silly little things, I'm talking flying out of a Jeep on an exit at 45 miles an hour. In my uncle, grabbing me in midair and pulling me back into the Jeep. I'm talking about being surrounded by eight to ten, six foot tall, guys. All in black, that looked like ninjas when I was in Mongolia and a black market.
Like an open market. I mean I'm talking serious stuff swimming pool around and things so so all that to say and I do talk about this in chapter 6 of my book. After you've examined yourself in the mirror, after you have had a hard look at doors that possibly, you could have opened after you've confessed sin after you've gotten on your knees before the Lord and you've repented of all the foolish things you did in your Youth and the things that you dabbled with
and the doors that you opened. If it persists, then you go a level deeper and you start thinking, is there anyone in my home with headship a father, a husband, a grandfather? A patriarch? Is there someone in my home with headship that could possibly be bringing this in? And then you go another level and you say, could there be something ancestral? Could there have been sighted? Oaths that were made over the Entire bloodline or family name.
And then you just keep pushing further and further. But as a final Resort, and I'll end it here and let you get in. But as a final Resort, I did mention in my book that there are a few occasions in scripture, Moses, Jesus and Abraham Abraham's account actually appears in the book of jasher. We have three men that the enemy seemed to know before they were born, that this guy was going to be a thorn in their side and attempts were made to take their
lives as an infant. And so are there cases if we are? Here's a bunch of hypotheticals. If we are in the end generation then that means that God is in the process now. Now of gathering and training and equipping, and end times Army who will be able to have the discernment to not be fooled by by the great deception and they will not have fear and they will. In part be trained through spiritual warfare. David didn't just go out and slay Goliath. He killed the bear and the lion first.
That was his training. And so in some cases, perhaps the enemy has some sort of an idea of who these soldiers are who the people in. This end times, Army are going to be and he's going to seek them out from childhood and he's going to try everything in his power to wipe them out. And if you can't wipe them out physically, then he'll start to wipe them out spiritually. They'll start to get them to
recant or they'll be so hurt. Or Go through some sort of trauma in their life or they'll deny Christ and they'll say it's not worth it. And I don't believe in this anymore or he'll get them intrigued with the supernatural to the point where they get sucked in and they start getting into false, some false aspects of spirituality.
He's going to do whatever he can, I think to systematically wipe this Army out so that, you know, when, when it gets to the battlefield, instead of 10,000, maybe they'll be Be 5000 and then he feels like he can. He can take that, he can take them. So these are just some of my musings as I've talked to other people. And some of this is is documented in in the book as
well. Sometimes I feel like I've stopped at the brook and I'm looking down and I'm going to pick up stones but I keep lifting my head up to see how many I need to pick up. How many brothers does he have. You know, like when David stops he picks up five, smooth stones. And I think there's a lot of other people out there that are right in. This weird are everywhere.
It's like I'm about sick of this barbaric, giant tormenting, my home, my family, my blessings, and how deep, and how far back like you were saying systematically? How deep, and how far back does it go? How many stones? Do I need to pick up? Hmm. How many brothers does he have? David picked up five Stones? I think Goliath had four brothers, but Vicki, you said some stuff there, it just blows
me away. Some people within the audience have been asking for quite some time for me to do what's called an explanation which is I have alluded to a lot of these very interesting things that I've experienced throughout the course of my life and honestly I'm still kind of I'm still on the journey. There's so much going on, so like that, just that scared me a little bit. When you're going through it because I'm like, oh my gosh. Like it just keeps getting keeps getting deeper and we're
dressing. Keep doing this podcast, like some of them just like, yeah, there's no way at all to get around or out of this now, like, there's no turning back. It is like this Beyond an option. You're welcome. So kind of like, Really put the
icing on the cake. I know they said that five episodes ago, but seriously now we're even deeper and it just keeps happening, but it's refreshing in a way because I'm also like Like I know God has given me peace on certain things like just peace in my heart where I'm just like man I know this is going to be okay and then sometimes we feel a little bit of like the shutter and the earthquake of what the world and the enemy in the dark winds that Whip and crack the air around
us, it hasn't moved me. So I mean I've had people try to kill me. I actually had my near-death encounter. I got jumped by eight guys and Yeah, beat it into the ground. Like, literally that was like, my first like real near-death encounter happened. I think I was 19, 20 years old. You know, there's there's other stuff I just, I can't talk about.
Yeah, but it just blows me away because there are certain things where I just like I'll talk to God now and just kind of laugh a little bit and be like Lord as like that song. I wish I knew what I know now when I was younger because this is like, you know, they did have me pretty jacked. act up, but As I went so far in, then I felt it's almost like, I'm anchored
to God somehow. And I went as far as you could possibly go, and then you're like, oh you, I can't go no further and then whatever entity that might have been stronger. The trick you to think he was stronger than you at the time. Would try to yank on your arm and he'd be like, yo, what? No he the lines right there like a little further and it's like they knew like oh Yeah, all right reinforcements because this is one. We've really don't want to be
drawn back. You see, another thing that when I was younger, I didn't talk for years like most people don't, don't know this, but here's one more thing. I'll add to, you know, part of the future explanation, they held me back in kindergarten because I wouldn't say a word to anybody There's something wrong with me and but I was really good at art work, you know, like my dad had came to visit just a few months back and I hadn't seen him.
Well, last year I seen them but before that it was like five or six years and I remember him saying oh yeah, you know, so good at Art when you were a kid. He's like the teachers would just look and they'd be perplexed. They'd be like his artwork is, you know, fourth and fifth and sixth grade status in kindergarten, but he, he won't talk. Or do any of the other work.
So, you know, they're the flunk me and they didn't have terms like ADD and ADHD at all these crazy terms like when I was a kid like now it's like, oh yeah, you know, I'm borderline dyslexic. You know, I deal with ADD like all these things that like they slap terms on. I'm just like whatever. Like okay if that's the language that like helps you understand own peculiar, great. Cool. Let's move on because like you know, I can't hang there too long but yeah.
Then I shouldn't have been born, you know, I don't really want to get into the details that, you know, my dad wanted a son and my mom. They were like, okay, we're finished, you know, we have enough kids and she actually went to get her tubes tied and then found out. She was pregnant with me. Oh my God, she cried for like you know, weeks, she said because she just she had thought
like. Okay, like this is kids are a lot harder than I imagined like we're done like we're gonna budge it. We're gonna you know and I think she was maxed out and then found out she was pregnant. Ardent with me. So you know, I've heard that my whole life too. So it's funny that you say that because I'm like Oh God, like, please help just help. That's the power of God just help. Like, keep me humble. Keep me engaged with the right
people. There's a lot of false ones that try to pop up from time to time and I feel like I've been talking way too long. I'm so sorry to the listeners. You guys. This is not the normal interview. Me, like, sometimes I said this recently, sometimes I just leave interview mode and I'm just like, this is organically the best conversation right now ever. So I don't care.
Yeah, this is good. You know, you use you said some key things, whether you realize it or not and you know not to go all psycho Babble on people but one of the things that I have had to struggle with my entire life and sometimes I'm aware that it's there and then sometimes I'm completely not aware of it at all. And then the, you know, the spirit reveals to me like this is the route. It's always the same route. No matter what I thought.
I figured that out. But you know, when you even if you were raised in a home where you were loved and provided for and taking care of your basic needs were being met, they were being kind to you. There was no abuse, there is something in the spirit realm. And I talked about this in the book as well. We're in my case, when I was born, my parents did not know that I was going to have a birth
defect. So, when I came out, I was looking pretty Pretty roughed up pretty, you know, and they didn't know what was going to happen or not. And so my mom told the story about how when she was sharing a room with three other mothers and the isolettes got wheeled in, and every mom was going to get a chance for the first time to hold their baby and the other three women grab their babies and we're cooing and everything and Mom.
Looked over into the isolette and she did not want to pick me up. She was somewhat grossed out, right? And she didn't want to do it, and she said that she saw the eyes of the other three mothers staring at her boring into her, like, what is she going to do and out of pure pressure, out of fear of, man? Not wanting these other mothers to think poorly of her. She picked me up. And so, the first Contact I had with my mom and my mom's arms, she did not want me.
It was that Spirit of Rejection, and this is what the Babel comes in, sorry, but That Spirit of Rejection. I've since read this is amazing to meet Rod, I have since read from Christian psychologist and neurologists and things that the bonding between a child and his mother doesn't come from the breastfeeding and the holding it comes from when your first born and the mother makes eye contact with you and it is the uh, Eye
contact. Wow. Between you and your mother you and your father you that is where you start to develop your whether or not you are wanted in this world. And so because I had a deformed face, none of the adults that were picking me up and I was being picked up few and far between.
I was in the hospital the first month of my life and people weren't cuddling with me. No one was looking at me and if they were making eye contact with me, it was pity and so I Went home a month later not having been held, not having been breastfed and not having had any real eye contact. And so, I already knew on some level at one month old.
This world does not want me. I don't fit in here, and I went into survival mode at one month old, and I was in survival mode until I was 40 and God broke that through a very painful Dark Night of the Soul. So you're telling me things. To like, you know, your mother was like, oh, okay, there are things in the spiritual that get embedded deeply into our soul.
And this is another aspect of people that, that are set apart for God, here we have these children that come on to planet Earth. God has set us apart to be his elect. He has plans for us, he's giving us gifts, he's given you artwork, he gave. Writing, he's given us this desire to communicate and articulate truths and and to help people. And we're both empaths. So what happens from day one?
The enemy says, I want to read a label this person so that from day one, they don't go to scriptures for their identity. They don't know that they're fearfully and wonderfully made, they don't know that they're the apple of his eye. They don't know that we're royal priesthood, they don't know that were the bride. We only We grow up with Hyper taylorism, which is my birth defect, we grow up with deformity, add mute those labels become our identity.
And even after we find Christ and we, you know, everything is on the outside. Like, I've got it all worked out like it's good. I got all these friends and I got my driver's license. I went to college, everything's great and what we don't realize And I was kind of talking about this earlier, when I was talking about these astral covenants, we may have made with false bridegroom's, and we may not know these declarations. And I talked about this in my
book. When We Make false declarations about who we are, when we ascribe to ourselves unbiblical, untrue labels, when we believe ruinous Lies, when we make Oaths and declarations. I'll never get married. I'll Never Love again. I'll never trust a man. You know, there is no God. When we say these things, they they might be quickly forgotten by us, but the enemies in the high places, they intercept those messages. Oh my gosh. And then they have a legal
ticket. They have legal right now and so, you know, here I am. I am decades away from my birth. I don't remember any of this. I don't remember the times. I came home from Junior High saying, I hate someone so and I'm never getting married. And I hate guys, you know, because they were so mean to me, I don't remember any of that stuff. I'm over it. I'm not holding grudges, I don't cry. I don't look in the mirror and SOB over the way I look like I'm an extremely healthy, confident person.
I leave scars and everything I like my face but those things were intercepted. One by one is I remember them? I declare out loud. Father, forgive me. That was a lie. I believed a lie. I am so sorry, I didn't know, and I will end on this. There's an obscure section in the Book of Numbers where it talks about women who make vows to God.
So it's this is not a, this is not an Apples to Apples comparison but the Concept I think is similar what it says is. If you're a man and you make a vowel, your vow holds, That's it.
Your word is your word if you are a woman and you make a vow, Once you're, if you're married, if your husband hears of it, or if you're not married in your father, or your brother, who, you know, if your father's dead, if it's your brother, if the headship character in your life, whether it be a husband or brother, or a father, the day that your husband or father, or brother hear about that vow, it doesn't have to be the same day the day that they hear of it. If they disapprove, they can
View of your vow and you can get out of it. So what I pray, when I wake up in the morning because I don't know in every case if if there's something that's happened that night that I don't remember or as memories come back to me of stupid things, I said in haste or things that I said in over unchecked emotion or self-pity, these declarations that I made about my identity. Your lies. I believed what I do is I say, father, you are, you have designated yourself as my heavenly father Jesus.
You've designated yourself as my bride groom. So this is the day now that you've heard about these vows that I made. If you disapprove of them will you disavow me of them? And I just have faith that as I pray, you know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, I ask how to pray for these Things. And and one by one, as he's come to my mind, I'm able to ask God to disavow me of those foolish things that I said, because there are so much power in the
tongue. And the word says so much about the tongue being a Rudder and it talks about one day, we are going to be held accountable for every foolish thing that came out of our mouths. And I do think that there is A huge link between people who have a calling on their life, who are born with with the sign on their forehead, that nobody can see. But God, these people that were born with a purpose or a calling that have been targeted as at a
young age. There's many things that we all have in common, a lot of us are empaths, a lot of us have had almost dying experiences. A lot of us have felt lonely and isolated and misunderstood. A lot of us have a gaping wound of rejection that goes all the way back to day one. It needs to be recognized, it needs to be repented of it.
We need to disavow ourselves of those things and I believe that this, this route of rejection is a Cancer and it is It's dormant and a lot of people and then there's a lot of people because we're a prideful people that we don't wanted to admit it so we, you know, like oh, I don't have anxiety. Oh, I don't have depression. My word to the wise Rod is always hey, when in doubt if the spirit actually is able to get through to us because, you know, we're a distracted overly busy people. Yeah.
We're going at 3,000 RPMs a day. This is why we can't even remember to like bring our car keys. When were Go into the car and we got to write stuff down and we need these to-do lists. We're going 100 miles an hour, and if the Holy Spirit actually penetrated our thoughts actually got through that tangle of thoughts. And we, it resonated with us, then it must be important. You drop everything that you're doing.
I don't care if you're in public, I can you drop everything that you're doing right then and there and you bring that in prayer and you get that. Taken care of because you might forget five minutes later, you might not remember when you get home to do that. Wow. This is the first time we ever talked and just I feel like, you know, so well I feel like you're talking about me when you're talking about them or you or this, and then I'll chime back in.
And it's just, it's unreal because it's an emotional roller coaster. I jump in and ride with people in certain episodes. Like they'll be Parts. Where I'll tell them. I just took an emotional rollercoaster with you and then it's right back to business, like it was, but this is one of those up. It was wears a lot a lot more frequent and on.
It's so personal. It's so personal because we're hitting some Roots here and you know, people if they listen this far that means you can relate and that means they're feeling most likely how we feel right now Vicki, which is like a bit of Liberation but like still kind of like, I personally a little bit terrified. Yeah. Like yeah, like you know what I mean? Like, happy excited. Yeah.
Well, this is so cool. It's like First time you ride a roller coaster, maybe second, or third times, you have a little bit of an idea what's going on here. But you got on the roller coaster because it's fun. But you also knew you were going to be terrified and screaming. Bloody murder when a boy like magical you upside down and that's sometimes how this journey feels formula. I feel excited but I also feel like okay my stomach's about the drop. Yeah well I'm so weird.
So I'm really enjoying this conversation. I'll tell you what like anybody who's like hey man, I got this. About sleep paralysis. I want to hear about Shadow People and succubus has look, man, you go to my website, you click on the media tab, you can listen to hours and hours and hours of me talking about the vampires in the threshold covenants and the astral realm, like it's all out there.
I've said it a million times, but what this episode is really doing is is a Roundtable for the people that have had sleep paralysis their entire life. The people that have had sleep paralysis their entire life. It's kind of like guys that come back. From war. Everybody wants to hear their War Stories, but the guys that our war heroes, they don't want to come back and relive that they don't want to talk about that. People who've gone through sleep paralysis.
I saw a shadow person was, oh, yeah, well, I saw the Hat man wants y'all. One time I got pulled off my bed, we don't care. It's all like we've all seen it a million times. That what we really want to know is why is this happening to me? And this is made, this is changing who I am and this is making my soul Dark, and this is making me question. It if I'm okay with God and it's just making ever be normal. And can I have a family or a my mentally ill or why is this keep?
Wow, how come every door? I close. How come it's still happening? This, this is a discussion for people who don't need the Goosebumps and the campfire stories. These are the people that have been there for 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 years and this is perhaps the
first time sleep paralysis has even been discussed. at this level because it's deeply entrenched with our identity and it's deeply entrenched with how we visualize in our head and our aware at every moment that this life is a cosmic war and someone's got one arm, someone's got the other arm and we are in the middle of this tug-of-war and we can't relate to the world around us where people Walk around in a daze just talking about social media and Netflix series, and response, and their
favorite foods. You're sitting there listening to all of this stuff and it's almost like you have Sleeping gas and you can hear them talking but they're like a room away and you're like, this is not the world I live in, you're freaking me out. I've been looking for friends like a whole, like I'll go so far with people and here I am on the podcast or like, this is gonna go all over the place and we're not the only ones, they're not alone.
There's got to be thousands of other people out there, who, who felt this way. And I mean, look at Jesus, you know, he might not have sleep paralysis, but obviously he was being hounded by the enemy all the time, right? And what do we see over? Over and over again. He was always retreating alone. Oh, my gosh, is he didn't give you such a, he was exhausted. He was burned out, man. Well, you says many strong Bulls of Bashan of the compass me,
right? That's recorded and he's going up and he's praying and he's taking time with God and literally like within the just the last month I can't even get into it, but I cannot tell you how many times people have used, which is a public Realm. Event weakness, that that money, you know, people like my private life for that. I work with or something would know that I have against me to try to crush me with it and I look at him now I'm just like
yeah, you're out your mind. Like you think that's going to work like if this was chess like you're thinking Checker moves and I already mapped out Checkmate and I don't mean to be bold when I say that. But the reason I depicted that way is that does not work. Yes. Like like you're revealing to me that you're an out-of-date piece of software that can Cannot complete his mission.
Yes. And it's weird because you know, still alert then learning to balance of needs to have compassion and be cordial and be, you know, I guess we're talking about things. Now that I've ran through my head, I talk to God about it, prayed about it. I very selectively talked with people about. I had somebody tell me where multiple people say, oh, why are you so Cryptid cryptic when he talked like why is it always?
And I'm like it's my protective mechanism because I know that there's a lot of wolves out here. Yeah. You know. And I'm not, like running around looking for more punishment like, did you? Not obviously, you don't notice much because I lived in here and you didn't say anything. So yeah, it's just so weird. It's also weird because it's like as it becomes more real, you just start to go I don't know if I'm ever going to have like a real friend.
Like hey let's go watch the baseball game pal, go get a Cheesesteak. Like I'm outside of Philly and, you know, people like what kind of cheese steak you get them. Like, I've been in my house reading for three days. Look, pretty Joy Vicki. God has blessed you and you bring joy to me. You're going to bring joy to other people. You are being used by God to just it all starts to make sense. When the chosen one start to get together, they edify each other.
They encourage each other. They just know because it's like yo I'm not alone and you're speaking stuff that I thought other people couldn't understand. Get on that wavelength with and then, you know, there's an anointing on this person's life and, you know, God divinely opened up a door for you to be with that person to communicate with that person. So that's these little
idiosyncrasies. For me is like I'm a part of this generation where we're going to rip the rest of the veil like it's been fading and thinning and God's going to like okay. Now get him ripping on them because this day won't surprise you God's going to say because you have been on the wall watching and weeping and you have been heavy and bird. And like they say, even Jesus
was a man to tears me at times. Yeah, like he was always, but there's, there's this joy that comes from knowing even though I'm suffering, even though this all had happened, it's going to be okay. Absolutely, amen. Amen, you know, there's this business philosophy, it's called The Law of unintended consequences. And you know, it's when you have an innovation or Sort of protocol or something and you know, in your mind you've got it all mapped out on paper, it's going to be great.
It's going to save money. It's going to sell a million dollars. And then there's that one like, oh darn, I never thought of that and it kind of blows up in your face. So this is law of unintended consequences and I think the perfect example of someone who keeps falling for that is the enemy. You know, it keeps thinking he's got the Lord checkmated and then it's like oh that blew up in my face. And so, the way I'm kind of looking at this, this is why I'm
willing to come out. Out and talked publicly about something that no one wants to talk about, no one wants to admit, you're going to get gas lit. The medical in the science field are going to just keep gaslighting you you're schizophrenic you're crazier this year, that whatever, I don't care, I got bullied for the first 18 years of my life. I the last thing in the world to bring you down this someone insulting me but the way I look
at it as, okay? Enemy you want to bring us into a Quantum age and you want to entangle all of us together and create a hive mind. Guess what? Guess what? That means that people like me and Rod find each other and when you create a hive mind and all of God's elect to have been silently in survival mode alone, their whole life, and they're in the in the fetal position,
getting hold full, triage unit. Yeah, we're going to find each other because you let's go. Yes, we will be go thousand strong and will we are going to be what brings you down. So Hive us together, all you want. It will blow up in your face. Ace and that is a perfect transition just to really reflect on this conversation and just enter into the rest of this evening. Just going God, I am excited. Yeah, and Ventures kids into continuing to reach for that armor.
And as the day draws near that, you know, we just continue to communicate and sharpen each other and bear each other's burdens. You guys. This is a different. This is a whole different level of communication. I have been sober. Herb for the last three years on this show, just kind of give a little tidbits here and there but I've been feeling it. You guys seen you do some other stuff with me recently where I'm starting to open up more, and come out.
Because I really just feel like, you know what the enemies like has swung at me so hard. I'm really like well, that didn't actually hurt as bad. Like I clenched and was way more scared than when I actually got hit. Yeah. And then God, in the secret space, is starts to tell you whose shoulders back kid, calling my name. I'm the only Thing, that can
Empower you. Do you not know that you speak from a place of Victory and that's why That's why what we're doing is so important because years ago, there was another podcast, there was a there was only a very small handful of people that came up. Look me in the eyes and said you're different. And you have what it takes. And inside, I'm like, I'm ready to cry because I'm like, my dad called me a traitor. They beat me up when I was younger. Everybody made fun of me.
I've been chased around neighborhoods. I've had guns pulled on me. I've been beat up, I thought all kinds of stuff. I've lived in beautiful homes with everything and I've been in nothing. I've been in the gutter, Experienced a little bit of both and I never understood why I'm like guys why is everything out of whack nothing's balance. Like always just one. Not like don't hurt me, like stay away. Always just wanted to kind of get into the next room without
being liked. verbally or spiritually, or even physically gripped up and questioned, her hit songs and That's that's no more. It's not that's no more. I'm just going to speak this scripture over you as well as anyone listening, this bar who's also resonating with us wishing like, man, I wish I was on that podcast talking to them because
I'm resonating with this. I'm just going to speak this over you rod and anyone else that this applies to who's listening, who's been wary, Beatdown discouraged. Mislabeled to Grant those who mourn in Zion giving them a Garland instead of Ashes the oil of gladness instead of mourning the cloak of Praise instead of a disheartened spirit. So they will be called Oaks of righteousness. The planting of the Lord that he may be glorified.
So we're going to go forth from from this day, Rod, you, and I, and anyone else who's with us listening, we're going to put on a cloak of praise and we are going to take the label not of rejected, not of ugly, not of add not of whatever we pad. We're going to take on the label of an oak of righteousness firmly planted in the ground. When the storm comes, we will not be shaken and the name of God will be glorified.
Glorified. Looks like this show is going to have to morph into the millennial mustard tree for season for it. See it's got to act like it's still a CD but the enemy don't know. That's right. The biggest plant in the garden. Wow. Vicki. It's been an honor. I'm so happy that God spoke this and then we both just listen and went with it. And now the outcome already is just I'm just excited for the
future. Everything that you you said here tonight has been edifying for me, it's challenging me literally. I'm like I need to go for a walk and get some water now after this episode, so tell the listeners where they can find you too. I'm going to ask you to send. Privately then a link for like your book and just any show notes estoppel, tell them verbally right now where they can find the book where they can find the show. Anything that you're working on. Sure thing. Thank you so much.
So the book is they only come out at night, exposing the dark weapon of sleep paralysis. It is available exclusively on l.a. Marzulli dotnet. You can get ahold of me or get my other books at Viki. Joy Anderson.com. And I'm on Instagram at Viki. Joy author. You can also catch me on YouTube with my co-host, Tom Done. Tom done, was the mentee and protege of the late. Great, Russ dizdar.
We do a show through the lacked as a show of six nights a week on YouTube. Tom and I are, we do our shows Monday through Wednesday, 11 p.m. Eastern Monday through Saturday? Well, that's it. That's the show you guys heard it. If I know if you made it this far. Listen. It helped share this. What are you waiting for? Share this, with your pastor, share this with a friend, share this with somebody who, you
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