Welcome back to the show. I'm so happy that you guys are here with me. Again for another episode honored to have been on the William Ramsay's show, as he is on mine, he released the episode. We've recorded on Friday, the 9th on his show, and I am here on the 11th, releasing it for you guys and it's, it's an amazing episode. I know, I say that every time but it amongst William Ramsay has an attorney author and
researcher. You know, you graduated from the University of California, Berkeley has a degree in history. He's also on the State Bar of California. Yes JD he's written a number of books and has a really successful podcast. Been a part of some of the stranger things when it comes to Murder Mysteries and dealing with the occult and man just diving into The smiley face Killers. A lot of stuff that goes under the radar from those people. He's on the front lines of many different ways.
This is an awesome show. We both kind of chop it up and enjoy each other's company. To say the least how he delivers his information, the level research he's put in his academic, this is really great episode. I'm not going to waste any more time. Let's get into this episode. You guys are going to love it. Let's go. A pleasure to be able to speak with you man. Thank you so much for agreeing to talk. Thank you, thanks for the invite. Glad to be here.
I really like your approach and I think you're covering a wide spectrum of topics and is in my opinion, is really important to tackle some of these popular topics because there's a lot there's a broad spectrum of people that are getting lost in bad information. Really, at the end of the day I just asked a lot of questions. Is on the learner. And to I'm to I'm enamored with your approach, man, and I feel like there's a lot I can learn from you.
I wanted to, you know, just ask you some personal questions about like how you came to be where you are today, like a little bit of what your journey look like and advice for. You know, a younger guy who is trying to Wade through a million messages and million signals that are causing a lot of confusion and Chaos in the days that we live in. That's well said, I mean these are the days of guy was actually thinking that writing a paper called the age of chaos
yesterday. Definitely in the age of chaos and confusion. My path was kind of like, I was not my, neither of my parents had college degrees, and I went the route of trying to kind of really, at a certain point. I knew, I didn't know very much, so I really tried to work on my academics was very fortunate to graduate from college law, school in DC. And I learned a lot there from the inside I'd really. Very much a provincial and very naive. And so how it really works very
corrupt. A lot of inside dealing a lot of murder frankly. So it really changed, kind of my view. I got done with that passed. The bar 98, really lost understood that that time that the corporate media is completely owned and fake. So that was kind of a good thing to realize at an early earlier age, you know, before I was 30 so that led me to really breed on my own Annalise, on my own. And also look for other people
who are doing that as well. So, I was really kind of reading stuff earlier, some guys are still around, but when I was in DC, I read this guy, Mike Rivero who was also kind of involved in something. I was he wasn't involved, gives an analyzer of the death of Ben's Foster, which I was literally involved with, but so I was following him. So I actually followed that guy for like almost a quarter-century. Now, I also used to read God by
the name of Justin, raimondo. His son, unfortunately, passed away that he wrote for Ty war.com which is still around and he wrote great articles and I was a huge reader of him while I was there and then 9/11 happened and I kind of believe that I should I should have been much more critical looking back,
but I was I was dumb and naive. So then eventually act 2003 2004 I realized that story was bogus and my government is lying to me. What else they're lying about is actually kind of scary and so I really went down the kind of 9/11 research and was always researching Nothing like I'd really just I still don't trust the corporate media. I'm kind of curious what's on TV, but I know it's like, vicious propaganda as vicious as anything in China or Russia
meant to confuse. I mean, there's all kinds of psychological conditioning that they're putting in there to make you confused and actually give you kind of dread and despair. That's the subtext. Is not that you can get ahead, but they really put you in a passive kind of thing. So, I actually without really being conscious of it became a more active, purveyor of information. Like what do Find out next you can I trust or this book? So I was reading often and so then I've got just kind of
started the numerology. I never thought I'd be a book writer my law career. I was bored, I hate it. I don't really like lawyers and I just didn't have any passion for it. So I just led me to kind of like after those are like gestational years of trying to figure stuff out and then I had enough information. Once I was researching to write my first book published that self-publish 2010 and it was And of a real learning experience. A lot of these Publishers are shysters.
I actually trust somebody who would try to play three-card Monte with me more than some of these Publishers even Christian ones, like the Christian friends of just as bad, but we can go down that all history. When somebody says they're Christian to me, it's just like I just go I don't care. What is this? Can just be just as bad as another scoundrel. So anyway, 2010 first book, 2012 second book, 2014 third book. Then in 2017, I made my documentary about Small effects killer.
So I was really those are all things about being frustrated, with people, not really doing quality investigative. Now we're started working for red.
I was actually doing interviews for at Opperman really in 2012, 2013. And that kind of just morph naturally into me kind of getting guests for him and it's kind of fun because I actually got to reach out and send emails and talk to people that I admire like, hey you should have this guy on your show and I, you know, and then Ed and I kind of I split from it in 2020. T. Okay, they're all the riots and stuff like that. I still like it as person. He's a great person.
I mean I really mean that like I wouldn't have worked with him for that long if I thought he was a jerk I just I just really don't like the partisanship to me. If I have somebody doesn't agree. Doesn't mean I'm against your party? Like people? Like if I disagree with them, like they, I'm immediately a trump love or something like that. That's far. That's not even close to the truth. I believe in the effective transfer of power, a lot of people don't and they don't in this generation.
It's really sad like we're in deep trouble. So anyways, 2017 first documentary pandemic 2020, that I put out a lot of documentaries within those three year period. So I five documentaries on Vimeo on a variety of subjects. People don't want to talk about. Want to talk about my first, actual two documentaries. I forget this. I'm not trained in hertz or Digital Arts or anything like
that. So I made two really embarrassing documentaries and 2021 was profit of the old, the other was a cold Hollywood. I kind of re-up the cold Hollywood have made a cold Hollywood, too. Then I may have those two documentaries on this mug, this killers and then the visual kind of aspects of my other books, o
prophet of evil. I made a documentary and Children of the Beast. Those are all on Vimeo and then I also have a smaller book called, Aleister Crowley, a visual study know, just kind of like, looking at the pictures of pearly. So for people are kind of more visual or Learners. They can look at that, but I thought that was kind of an interesting exercise. I should really update that if I have time. So it's been an interesting journey.
I think I really was. I mean, when I first was Starting kind of my inquiry into kind of looking into the occult, I did wasn't very popular. It was I was kind of like a leper or something like it's not it's not I've decent career and academic credentials but it's not really in a that point wasn't really a acceptable kind of line of inquiry. And I think that's changed a lot. Now, 2022 is a people, really we're swimming in the occult like to say that. You're not like, that's the most
common religion. Oh, I don't know if it's Christianity. But I think it's important to look at that, and look at the ideas and ideas and ideology do need to have actions and outcomes. So somebody's gonna coat this. They're going to make different decisions and somebody's a Buddhist or Jewish or Muslim or Christian. So that's kind of like the Long, Long Haul journey and I think that that was it. I would not really be doing what I was doing.
If I didn't have like Decades of frustration, but the mass media of the corporate media, like just screaming at the TV or why aren't you? Guys going into this and even though a lot of the journalists are kept a lot of the well-known journalist. And these big magazines New York Times Washington compost, these are like State functionary.
Type things that people don't really realize they think they look at them as independent but a lot of those guys are going to cocktail parties or they've been compromised, sex compromise is that's I was actually very calm, much more common in d.c. at that time that I knew 95 to 98. So there were secret parties and strange kind of events. What was The first thing that happened when you were in DC, that kind of like flip that switch and open your eyes where you started going.
Hold on. Something's wrong here, it's a good question. I got there 95 and I just thought like, hey, this is a city on a hill. Had all the learning that I got from the state schools and one high school. And I'd really was, I know, I'd known about JFK or things like that, but I didn't know how vicious the fights were there. I mean, they really do kill people. There's a lot of people who died
there mysteriously. Vince Foster was just one of many people who got Murdered or just suspiciously died. But I think the first thing that I had just like, little things, like, my wife worked for a congressman. So, I was around a lot of those Office Buildings back in the day, okay? There was one office building. That there were, I mean, there was one guy from work again that you weren't supposed to send women into his office. And they actually, I was there. Helping my wife there.
Hey, William. Go give this to him. I was like, okay, I just walked over there. This is for Bob and I left and but I didn't understand that the guy was like a Serial abuser, like an octopus women at like, you know, really kind of in the most being away, like, really bad guy and then he ended up getting busted. I forgot his name is out of organ, but like, he would like, try to french kiss him like that, like, that bad. So and so, there were less. So I was like, oh wow, so it's
just some sketchy things here. There was another one. I was not a rich kid. I came from, you know, I didn't I came from a middle-class Background music, good way, maybe upper middle class but I certainly wasn't rich kid, but I work during law school. I was working at this one. Mexican restaurant that was on the hill. It was, I can't remember the name of us like Baja Cantina, you know, I was served, I would serve lunches and stuff like
that. And one of the congressman from Florida came in and he ordered to like triple scotches for lunch and his nose was sweat like I could see the sweat coming out of his nose and I was like, wow this is really weird like I'm used to Seeing is people all cleaned up? Yeah, this guy looks like he could be sleeping on a park bench and he was a congressman from like the Orlando area. And so like people like all the servers are like that's Congressman Joe Blow, I forgot his name too.
But so then we looked up his picture like they have all the pictures that Congressman all over the place. You can look it up on that Congressional register and there he is. This clink. I sure like then they must just clean his ass up and send him back to the city and dry him out, and then let him come. I'm back here and just get hammered all day.
It was incredible. So you I mean you see all the news guys that you see on TV or around so you see that and you see them in more, you know, of just themselves environment. They're not in this kind of car. This is Bob Wilson for ABC.
So you just kind of see and you see the lectures and you see kind of people in a much more kind of genuine State and sometimes it really isn't pretty certainly wasn't so worried I just I didn't work really on the fence about His lawyer work for his intern for his lawyer, for a guy who's involved in the Vince Foster case. It was you just see, like people just didn't, they didn't want to cross that line, there were two interested in their careers or their reputation to ever tell
the truth about anything. So like it's almost like the end of American Psycho telling everybody, I am Mass murdering people and everybody goes Bob, shut up. Have a drink, you know, and he's really trying to lay It out, at the end came out. Christian Bale was actor, but I mean it's almost kind of like that and they're weird conversations. Do people talk a lot about at least when I was there about, like, money, laundering, Swiss bank accounts, Luxembourg bank account.
So there were clearly tit-for-tat under the table things happening all the time or are very often in my opinion. So and be some people got busted for it while I was there. But I would say it'd be a mix of things that Things differently. But it was interesting, it was definitely seeing things from inside the Beltway. It was kind of an eye-opener. I knew within the first year I was there, I was getting the hell out of DC. I didn't want any part of that.
It's very gets very dark, very super competitive and a lot of blackmail and a lot of people just the gossip is off the charts. Everybody knows on everything about everybody and Yeah, that's that's completely different than like the image that's projected to like the rest of the world. You know, DC White clean, beautiful buildings.
You know, this Mega Power House here on the on the world scene and you know I think about my wife, she's been here in America for like 10, 11 years and the first time she went to DC, she talks about have like having this image in her mind of what, you know, the city would be like, the people would be like and it's, she's like, never going back, you know, but it's interesting. It's your hear your side of it, like you. Actually you're there on the
inside. Your kind of like well yeah, yeah the remember like I was born in Nebraska. I will have a kind of sounded Western been sensibility. Yeah, so I only saw what I saw on TV. Oh wow, I think I've been there a couple times just visiting, but I didn't know the internal kind of mechanics of how this stuff works. And like the past, you know, JFK issues a real issue. Like that. Still was an issue when I was there in the 90s, like, kill JFK, you don't talk about that either.
And I had conversations are very Strange conversations were like, I was like, the budding conspiracy theorist. I don't know that. I know enough about JFK to know that that stories bologna, but I would be like talking to people like there's no way that our Lee Harvey Oswald could have done it. There were multiple Shooters and I would talk to a guy. I literally remember talking to guy who's looking at me like this. Oh wow. He's so he knew exactly what had
happened. He knew what parts of my story were true and which were fake or which I didn't get. Right. So they new people new people on people who did it. I think the real world word got around like this is what we did to JFK. He got out of line, he really irritating, a lot of people. A lot of powerful people, you know, we're about to see the anniversary of 9/11 come up here and two days and there's been a lot of I'm since that happened. I remember exactly where I was,
when 9/11 happened. I actually, I grew up in the Philadelphia area and Southeastern Pennsylvania, and I was in school and I'll never forget, you know, we had this big heavy tube TVs and one was up in the corner of the classroom and I was in history class was actually one of my favorite classes and the teacher walks over and well, first of those are knock on the door and he steps over to the door and the energy in the room just dropped.
We could all tell by his demeanor and the look on his face, something. Saying, something's not right? And he walks over, I'll never forget. He flips on the TV and the whole classroom sap. Their silent for 15-20 minutes. Yeah, I mean there's images that are burnt and most all of our minds from that day. But I knew there was a shift even as a young kid, I mean, I'm in Jesus. I think I was intermediate or going into Middle School somewhere, somewhere around that. I'll just never forget the
feeling I had. Do you remember where you were? Absolutely what you were doing when the towers got hit? Can you share that with? I was at home, I mean, it was the morning, so I was on the west coast and I just remember sitting down on, like my futon with why future wife, just said it actually, we were married now and take it back, just sitting there watching and I actually remember, we're going in, but I did not. I believe they fell down.
So I was watching it and they said these towers are falling. I just was like my mind cannot register. I could not register that back but I was definitely a True Believer. My wife reminds me of that all the time. I really felt for the whole story Hook Line and Sinker it took me a bit to kind of realize. There was a lot of problems there, but yeah, no, I definitely remember exactly
where I was. I've heard you do episodes, so with other people covering a lot of these details about 9/11, you know, I'm going to the whole thing. Here, I know definitely recommending my audience to come over and check out those episodes with you.
And your audience is already be aware of it but there's so many things that lineup and this is only a couple of years ago, William that I became aware of. The depth of things that just kind of prove, there's so much more going on here and then seeing there's not that really healthy information.
Your who do you go to with his kind of questions and when you, when you're thinking that like what's a solid platform where you can go and ask good questions, without some weird, a cultic ulterior motive in mind that they've really want to suck you in. And it's like, hold on. I just want to have a good conversation and get good information on it, so I don't know. It's really hard like it's kind of you when You're kind of going after the truth. It's kind of a lonely process.
You come to trust certain, people were trying to tell you the truth. Not everybody knows all the details, but there was a couple people like, I like Jones from Utah. I thought he was kind of being honest and there was another Theologian. It was Edward Griffin, I think it was was his last name. He wrote a lot of books on 9/11. There's some good ones out there. I read I had a guest on my show.
Black 911, I think he was doing work and there was people who went into this, Pacific parts of it, some people focused on the problems with the Pentagon, some people focused on, 93 flight, 93 building. 7, Building 7 is really the linchpin for destroying the cold, full cover story because there's no way these guys accounted for building 7, it doesn't fit into the narrative and all but it's not easy and I think a lot of those introductory groups were probably set up.
Either set up to be infiltrated or infiltrated so that the effectivity or anything productive coming from them systemically productive made sure that that would never happen. Are you aware of like ever being Shadow band? Or have you ever had any issues with talking about that top? Could anybody was above? I was banned from Above Top Secret in, like, 10 minutes like it's gone. I don't know if I've been Shadow band and some places, I definitely don't trust anything.
Attack. I think Google's an evil Corporation. I think. Mark junk Mark Zuckerberg is evil and I don't say that lightly. I think from their actions, he paid 400 million dollars into like some slush fund. Have this outcome, which is Biden's Like A Nazi fascist, like a literal Nazi fascist nazi fascist imagery and they get away with it because they're from the left, like the left can never be fascist what a joke. So I think that these guys have
really reshaped outcomes. I think that Trump did himself wrong because of his kind of Her personality and actually thought he was President, he was kind of like JFK like I think I'm president, I'm going to try to make decisions that are best for everybody and so they screwed him and I chose how much power the tech. Companies up, the Reliance upon the technology companies, Just turn the country into kind of
like a dystopia. My opinion, kind of like rollerball where they could see huge combination of fashion. Like interrelated fascist power. And I mean, real fascist, not the kind of nonsense that the anti-fascist group and Tifa talks about which they have that language drift, which is also very dangerous to their left is very comfortable with the language drift and I have problems the right to I can. Well I come out of the right like I came out of Republicans
so I'm not a robot. I'm not a registered. Yeah, I can push it to be accountable. Yeah, there should be accountability on both sides. You know, it reminds me of, you know, sometimes Jefferson Cliffs. I was reading recently and it's I believe there's a big difference between knowledge and wisdom. Personally, I think wisdom comes from the fear of fear of God, being mindful of how we're operating what the consistency of our life looks like, right?
And people are watching these, we can say, whatever we want. William to people, going to look at the Rhythm. Some of our life, right? And that's going to speak way louder than anything else. And When we literally see a million messages in a million signals that are causing all kinds of waves of issues, within the Battlefield of the Mind here in this country, all over the world. But it's like, where do we draw the line?
And actually like introduce some humbleness and not choose one side or the other, but find that middle ground is a hey I'm inquiring you like I don't really know anything like I'm here to I'm trying to learn, I would like to observe, right? I'd like to challenge. And be a healthy skeptic. Not the kind of stepping just trying to prove anything wrong, but like, let's prove this, right? And I think that my generation particularly the millennial generation. We see the Techno pratik
membrane. The brain is just so sucked down in engulfed into consumerism. What do I look like? How am I perceived and people really forgetting the generation before us, my parents generation? I mean, calloused hands. Right? I just did a post recently where I'm like, hey, shout out to all the people with countless hands, you know? This is nothing. Some people that that use the muscle on top here to make their income or anything but it's just recognizing that's that's a shortened window.
You know, I'm a factory worker. So I I've been at a large company for about nine years and you know, we get raw materials and literally dealing with engineer's, they have these ideas and they bring us everything and we got to make that happen for him, right? And that's a Dying. Breed ma'am. It's hard to get good people into the workforce right now. What I wanted to ask you is what was your biggest Influence during you were talking earlier about. I like yelling at the TV.
I'm so frustrated. I'm witnessing all of these things going on around me and you're expressing, you're upset, right? Did you have an influencer was there? Like how did you handle that? I don't know. I know nothing personal. It was just going through and really sifting. Yeah, it was like the threshing floor, you know. Like you grow up the seed and the chaff chaff gets blowing. There's a lot of trap out there. There's a lot As you are for
people who are very deceptive. There's a lot of cultists floating around to who don't mind, deceiving people or guiding people down the wrong path. Way there are some of these Christians, the televangelists like types, I think a lot of there's a lot of problems there, some of these the dominions are really in it for the money in my mind. Because if they really were telling the truth, they would focus on a lot of problems.
Vaccines corruption, you almost never hear these Christians and power today in the United States. Complain about all the corruption. I don't, maybe I'm not paying attention, but I don't know because it's super corrupt or most corrupt. But I can't really laid. I can't really lay like what I did on anything. I mean I read I look through all
of Bill Cooper stuff, you know? So he's one of the original alternative kind of people looking at things and I don't like the word people have labeled me as a conspiracy theorist or a conspiracist or I'm in the conspiracy community and I reject that term, I would say I'm in the secret agenda.
Like what is this agenda? That somebody else has planned for me that I don't know, because there's a lot of them, there's a corporate Financial agenda, there's a cultural agenda, there's an international globalist agenda, there are academic. Agendas that really aren't addressing. So those are the things I was really looking into but so Bill Cooper, I think his work.
I mean he rejected kind of the UFO stuff that he got into, but I think that he was really trying and I think that he He and Dave McGowan comes to mind who's if I was fortunate they were really the two people who keyed into 9/11 the same day, so it was really for me, it was Bill Cooper and de Miguel. I was fortunate to know. Dave McGowan, I was on a show with him account. I went to his book signing of the soup in La, when he published weird scenes, which is
very important. All his books are influential program to kill, still bouncing around. People are still going back to look at that as something about the whole serial killer phenomena States. but he was really one of the greats and so I would say Cooper. I mean Cooper has a lot of You know, a lot of stuff and McGowan was an atheist. I think I'm not gonna do this, so I have different things but I think he was, he was really trying to tell the truth. Okay.
So am Cooper and that's probably why Cooper? I don't think the story of Cooper's, you know, he was probably targeted. I mean I've seen people die. So many journalists and stuff like that Hastings. I live in LA. Michael Hastings. Had his car blown up here. All right, on. Melrose and Highland. I mean that's under that's a pretty dicey thing, I'm used to it, you know, I'm used to all
this. Yeah. So I want to ask you was there ever a case, or anything, you looked into a rolling into the investigation going through the process that you literally Were like were thrown this out. It's too dark, it's too deep. I can't handle it. What did you ever? You always got to the Bottom of Everything. Didn't. Well, you know, you go through and you go as this baloney.
Like I took a lot of flak for saying that the Hampstead was a hoax, everybody bought that story of the two kids are getting hit in the face with a spoon, coming back from Morocco as like a real satanic thing. There's tons of problem really satanic influence crimes. I mean, I went into West Memphis Three, but when you go I'm in a kind of like Sensibility was to really get to the bottom of these things. So that was it from the very beginning, what's the real
truth? And like I said, it didn't come out of some void, it came out of it. Here's of experience of listening to bad job. I mean, I looked at the West, Memphis Three. And at that time when I wrote that and same with Croley, actually, there were so many people who got things wrong, or excise people, people will talk about Curly is like a dabbler. That's whenever I see dabbling in the occult like I, like
inside of my brain. My eyes are all my back and I head because it curly was anything but a dabbler. He's probably one of the most accomplished Britain, the history of written occultus in history because of the present age, maybe Simon Magus out of the Bible, who Apocrypha it fully contested with Peter but and was you know, is in the Bible mention the Bible that magazine but I think that I've never really back down like even the smiley face killings. I like these are original perceptions.
My mind cruelly, don't know much about him, not very deep. And then I started writing and then I was like he dedicated his whole life all the way to the end of the occult. Let's make history. And then I was like, oh, they were wrongfully accused, and there must have been some technicality, so they got out and then I started reading them. Like, no, no, no. These guys were guilty twice, they're still guilty. And there's tons of evidence.
There's a mountain of evidence and it's all been re verified by the The appeals court in Arkansas. So that was another one then like looking at how much glow Crowley's influence, it's all over the place, it's secret its sub Rosa but it's still there. So my perceptions change with the kind of deeper inquiry but I don't think I've shied away from any of the hardcore stories because like, the smiley face
Killer story is really hardcore. It means that there is like two to three hundred guys who met their debt, some kind of really horrible story Death. Very few people have keyed into the guys who really, really courageous the Gilbertson again and I given full credit that really were the ones who first publicly talked about the pattern, but it's still going on. Chicago had like five or ten deaths, right back to back to back to back within a very short
three or four month period right after covid. Kind of we were coming out of being locked down so and I watch those cases like that's another one. Like oh smiley face, Kelly Urban myth, this is a funny. Story fireside chat where people can get freaked out and then I watch the phenomenon happen to two guys, Jolla Buttes, and Dakota James, Joe in the Butte in the Columbus, Ohio decoded, fifth rookie. And I was like, Pittsburgh.
Yeah, I'm watching him. I'm watching him disappear, being missing for three weeks, and then being found in water. So, I mean, it's a real phenomenon. And when they were found in water, what wasn't like, they spent the whole time that they were missing in water, right? That's the real person. About this year and this gets my
wheel spinning. I mean I have ideas but the occult I think it just bleeds into so many areas that a lot of people aren't aware of and not everything is is a cult driven in my opinion? I don't know much. But just from when I look at it, sometimes it just has that Essence with it. We were like this is super dark and it's connected. I don't think it's all the cool driven, like there's a lot of these really hardcore dark International dark rooms red rooms.
They called these are real. There was one in the Philippines. I don't know if all those people are cold like outright occultist, but if you're really into the doctrines of the occult, those are the ideas that will lead you to do these dark things. Like if you're a do, what thou Wilt or then it's like, I do whatever I want. I don't care. Who cares. If I heard somebody else. Who cares of this? Yeah, so the ones that I mean, it's is interesting looking back at kind of my research.
How much of that? And I think it was from the ignorance of thinking that this It doesn't exist like I had a superficial understanding, like, how are the? I mean I've heard of Manson, I heard the family I've heard of, but are people really seriously involved in these groups that have secrecy. And the bonding rituals things that they do like a like like not like the Crips or something, you know. Yeah. Like and the answer is yeah yes they did.
I mean I'm having answered that to my own personal satisfaction That's a person who was never involved in, like a Coltrane. Yeah, that's scary. Because There's a lot of people that well not many people that learn that the hard way either from coming across an experience or, you know, being a little too close for comfort and then, you know, majority of people just have no idea what's really going on at times. I see a lot of us the symbolism, right?
You see it, especially in music and Now, there's something to that now. Obviously, I like to consider like okay well who was the producer that song, okay? The same producer who did the song so maybe it's just a style door going for, but it's never quite as it seems at first
glance. As I'm kind of learning, it's always kind of what's going on behind the scenes and it's always a little bit deeper and darker more Twisted than what could first be. Thought of are identified by what, you know, whatever internet YouTube video that you
come across. And they're like, oh this is Pump the brakes, slow down, do the research let the time set in. And like you said, even just now talking with you, I'm like, I get that feeling, you got that look in your eyes, man, like when you said I don't back down there, I'm getting to the bottom of the Barrel in any case that you put your mind to. We need to see that more men and women today. We need to see that kind of audacity where it's like, I think Thomas Jefferson said it
like this. He said, listen, Float with the current easily when it comes to the simple and easy things, right? But be a unmovable Rock when it comes to morals, right? When it comes to the truthful, things I'm paraphrasing him there, but in a nutshell, that's one of the quotes that I really liked by hand, because what it did for my mind is go, I'm a rare breed, even if I am of that stock, I don't know. I like to think that I'm on the path of trying to figure some stuff out.
I look at a guy like you and there's plenty of other people and plug in that category where I go. You know what we do? Everything. Right? I believe each one of us has a little something wrong, but when people are in it for the right reason, right? When you are involved with no, ulterior motive, mind of, in fact, that like the by in the Bible says this have no works with fruitless seeds of Darkness, right? You got expose that unfruitful things of Darkness but it's puzzle, right?
That's yes. And all he's in, 612 nose. Mmm. I'd say but I can't connect. Can I read something here real quick? Yeah, sure please. So I wrote this down years ago. I'm not a religious guy I believe. And I have my reasons to believe what I believe, but it was about eight years ago that I surrendered my heart to Christ. Okay, I didn't grow up in the church was kind of like one of those Easter Christmas church guys. And I've read a couple books and I was literally being
challenged. My mind is, I had to reinvent myself, I had to lose the old identity and learn how to operate different. And this quote right here, it's not a, not a Bible quote, but it struck me, then as it does every time I read it now. So, It's not the critic, who counts? Not the man, who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of Good Deed could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena whose face is marred by dust and
sweat and blood. Who strives valiantly, he knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions. he spends himself in a worthy cause who at the best knows in the end, the Triumph of high achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails, while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid Souls who neither know Victory or defeat that was Teddy Roosevelt and Where's that generation at? You know, for all the listeners out there right now, you guys
Where's that generation at? This is, this is a calling to just be serious about the way you're processing. The information that is floating around out there, whatever Camp you're coming from. I believe there's a middle ground, I think it starts first and foremost with humility and listening, a little bit more than we talk and giving credit where credit is due and being in the arena and not complaining so much when we're roughed up a little bit that builds character
by the way. I mean, I think from the Christian who you mentioned Paul like he says you are going to have these complex even Christ has to write. Like you, they don't lay it out like this is a big field of roses. You're going to be at peace. No, it's the off listening to become a wild. For my name going to be reviled for my name, you're going to be persecuted. I mean, the, the Beatitudes is like blessed, those were persecuted for righteousness, it
happens. So, I mean, from my perspective, it wasn't like I didn't, I wasn't naive about that. Mmm. And some incredible. I've had incredible experiences. I cannot divulge. I cannot have multiple. Share one or two or three. You can see that? No, no, I can't. Jeez. Okay, make me wait, man. That's tough. We're in a deep buried, tough spot. I don't know.
So I think that, I think that what we're doing right now is a great Benefit and virtue because it's an end-around between this whole corrupt informational system media system. That's, I mean, can you believe that we live in a country that they're actively censoring people like it's incredible. They're not even giving them that their constitutional
prerogative, right? Like I mean the these companies all had the benefit of the Constitution have for their rights, to create their businesses under the law, but you don't get it passed through, it's unbelievable. And the fact that, I mean, they're finding out these lawsuits, Coming out of the Midwest, Iowa Schmidt from Missouri, maybe who is starting to get these documents from the CDC and fauci that the government. And these guys are actually coming in behind the tech
companies to selectively sensor. People that is textbook fascism that is dangerous. It's evil. We've already gone through this fascist past. We know it's bad. We don't want to re go through this. So these people need to be brought into some form of account for their wrongdoing, and I don't think that the career I won't even It's called the department took our apartment of Jay. I can't even say that word applying to the current deal doj. I can't even say that.
So we're we're in a difficult spot. I don't trust these people to do the right thing at all. I don't think the justice is going to come out of Washington and somebody's live there. It's going to come from the states, people coming up through the state's. I wouldn't even go through Washington. I would just go through your State Rep, your state legislature, your governor. That's probably much more efficacious spending of time with the actual individual than.
Yeah, I love the fact that you, I advise you said, you're acting for that. Would be mine, and I put everything in writing, put it in writing, like, I don't agree with this. I don't want this. I don't think that this is right. I don't think that, this kind of censorship is productive because you need live more uncensored right now, we're changing information. That's how you kind of build on
our. We can say iron sharpens, iron, whatever A lot of the times people are Or using all of their energy and their Focus. Right? To just complain and nothing else and it's like, literally go plug yourself in. Right? If you don't like the way the school systems working, go do
need some time there. Be a part of that go observe, right absorb what's going on there and a homeschool your kids right or homes we're kind of in this nice little bubble here in South Eastern PA where it's not too bad but we're very We're In the Heat of it okay. We're in the midst of a lot of chaos and you have walking by faith and not by sight is It's more, it's imperative. We, we who claim to believe in the faith or God. I think that's going to be
tested. But what I was getting at William is, like, I see a very, very small amount of people that are actually walking with their talking. So, like, I love the fact that we have the opportunity like today's the day, right? It's like we don't want to be the wicked person who's like, we're holding on to our money where Desiring to make more money. And every morning we wake up We're counting our seeds and say that tomorrow, I'll go out and plan. I don't think that's the right mentality.
I think, literally today's the day, like, talk with your neighbors. I'm not talking about extremism on its own people. I'll go start. This is that no, by the way, we carry and conduct ourselves is going to be how people are attracted to us as if we're the salt of the world, right? And I love, honestly, I love the diversity of the people that I've had on the show just because it I'm trying to demonstrate guys. Respectful conversation first, all and treat an elder like an
elder, right? You know, give them some honor and hear people out. And man, I literally I just wanted to compliment you on this because I was, you've been in my ear of last couple days. Obviously, as I've been prepping, you know, and just kind of like listening to some of your stuff out of their own pockets and I'm thinking, There's only a couple people that got you like upset, like there's people trying to talk over you and being respectful and your stove. Hey you give them space.
All right? Yeah, and the one guy you're like everything you got, like, give me everything before I respond at all, because the guy had attended just trying to steamroll you and I'm like you don't see that either, right? Like they're really demonstrating. Just how to have a good. Disagreement is so important. People are so emotionally involved that as soon as their emotions are. My feelings are hurt or the way that I view, this isn't being accepted as all the sun, I can't
even handle myself. I can't even look this person. The eyes and carry out of cordial conversation. So I wanted to compliment you on that because I listen to a lot of different shows and some really wild stuff going on, man. It's not different. And I think I try to keep my show. I don't try to like, it's not a comedy show, but I don't mind conflict. I mean, I had the two flat Earth guys.
Those are probably the worst ones like, where we argued the most I mean, some of these subjects, I know pretty well. I know the West. Memphis Three pretty well. I've Had The Misfortune of studying, a lot of cruelly, I'm not a practitioner so that, you know, these are subjects that I know. So when somebody like starts putting in PR stuff nonsense, like, I just had one recently really a woman. She just repeated everything from their West, Memphis Three, PR for like 90 minutes and it
was incredible. I just it was like just firing everyone. Okay. But the thing is that I've been You know, we butting or responding to those four decade like I wrote that book a decade ago, I was 10 years ago so I mean I've seen all the arguments, I know, I know, I know that case record pre pretty good. Now William I want to ask you, what do you think is the most important message for the millennial generation today? What's the most important
message? I think you have to see the spiritual events that are happening today that you're seeing The days of Noah come in right now, in my opinion, like the Book of Revelation is unraveling as we speak in a strange way. Like, imagine a.document that people looked at in the standard Canon and said, why is this book here? I think even Luther wanted to take the Book of Revelation out because he couldn't see its
application. Like you just thought it was some kind of weird dream but you're seeing it right now like these people have very dark views towards other 'Well, and you have to really be care. Like the people who didn't see what was happening with the Nazis. They didn't see what could happen. Exactly. You really have to see what's happening now. So I would say that I mean, is goes back to the spiritual worldview, Christian worldview, but you have to kind of get it yourself.
I do. I mean, it's really worthwhile to read the Bible yourself and ruminate on yourself in prayer. Is that for me was the most important thing, not to actually see what somebody else was saying about it. But cc4, I think the gospels are very well-written. Somebody put a lot of thought and effort in there because there's even things in there that you wouldn't even include in a sermon or something, like they clearly are just trying to be as authentic to the story because there's a lot.
I mean, even like the Lord's, you know, railing in Jerusalem, like, you always never hear that, that's why you have to read it yourself. Greatest love story ever told right? But I mean, it's more than that because, yes, it's not just, I mean, you can see like, hey, this is Dan. How Can You Escape damnation? It's, he was against the kind of injustices of the time. That's why he ended up the way it did.
I mean, all had to happen for it all happen for a reason, but That stuff that those narratives are left out. I think in it may not just because it's just not a right over the right place for a Pulpit on a Sunday. It's not a moral lesson, but I think it is a moral lesson. I would write. So I recommend I highly recommend people get a good copy of the Bible that advice would be contrary to like, what the Catholic Church says, right? It's like absolutely Nick. Price can tell you what's in
there. Hey, but you know, there's priestcraft that there's also Pastor craft. They love us, modern, Students aren't immune. They would love to point at the priests for their sins which are manifold. Everything I look at on my shows through what I consider to be a Biblical filter, my aspirations at way my education all day every day. But the way I look at it is If I'm not focusing on loving my
neighbor, right? And if I'm not focusing on, like being the head of my house on which means I'm trying my best failing all the time, I'm not a good example of this, but I try to carry out the fact that I include God in everything. I try to read a lie and I'm trying to honor my wife and my three kids. I'm trying to literally give them the best that I can offer. I didn't come from a rich
family. I didn't come from a college family, very hard working class people that are coming from and That's that's like the Forefront of my battle like, everything. Like, I made a post recently where I'm saying. Listen, I'm a part-time podcaster working on my relationship with God, as I fail forward, and my wife and my workflow. In that order, most important, things hands down, all that other stuff, super important.
And that's why it's like, I feel like we have such an issue with Colin men for because men can't even figure out what they believe first and foremost. So how are they going to be able to walk in and have, you know that power with Because they believe something there that placebo effect, right? There's power and belief, man, we can prove that just through scientific observation of a doctor, giving you a sugar pill and you can heal whatever your ailment is.
Let's say you have a headache or inflammation in your knee and it gives you a sugar pill but you're actually able to your body. So wonderfully and fearfully created, it can heal itself. So this power and belief even on the bad side and the good side, there's power in both. There's a power source The camp of light, you know, God and his his son who he loved dearly who covered that chasm. In order for us to have the audacity to challenge these things, knowing right from wrong.
And I think about this in this, like we got to stir up men, to be excited about the Bible, right? Like they're always excited about like, whatever the cool new movie is, or you know, whatever football comes on and believe me, I played football for Years love football. But to be more excited about those things. And completely blinded to the reality of the destruction. That is going on all around us on so many different levels. I can't even get into the topic because I'll just, I'll start
some linear myself. It goes so deep, and it's so dark. A lot of the times. It can be too late for people. And that hurts. If you actually love your neighbor to see people destroying themselves because I was that guy eight years ago and I believe in the power of sanctification and I believe in the power of literally, forgiving people start their and hey, to any listeners out there, start with forgiving yourself be
so hard on yourself. We need to call these men to come forward and have some backbone. You guys need to figure out what you believe in. And listen, if you disagree with what I believe in. Cool, man, I still want to talk with you. I still want to hear what you have to say. I'm not trying to ask you to believe in what I believe. Or try to reiterate with William believes or beliefs. Something believe something in the days we live in and make a
choice. Because you're right, William with all of this going on. It's not very good right now. I try to use every opportunity I can, I do a lot of what I do on like a one-on-one basis. These opportunities for me are so unique. I'm so happy that I'm able to talk with you and and connect on this level. That feels good, man. It feels good. Me too. I mean I think that's kind of like why I put a lot of my stuff out there is like they can look and go. This is what he thinks at any
given time. Somebody can go back through, on whatever subject I do. Try to research all my books and on those issues, I don't go into them blind. I don't think I've ever really done a show. Really maybe one or two, where I didn't really try to prepare that be thoughtful. So you can look at all's, I've done a lot of Christian shows, I'm going to have a whole set aside. Christianity Today, just like a
whole podcast by itself. You just want to focus on that not on my talking to other people. I've talked to a lot of Jews of talk to Catholics talked to you. I talked to a gnostic the other day, a lot of pro, lot of problems from a Christian perspective, but I talked to a couple gnostics actually but I'm not afraid to talk about it but I haven't changed my they haven't changed my outlook
anyway. I think I've talked to a couple of cultists to but yeah, so I think it I think that that's the benefit of it being there is that somebody can come back and go. Okay, I'm interested in seeing this. They get edified and not entertained, we kind of are drowning in entertainment were over in Turin, info tained right now, or Sports teenagers. So, yeah, it's much better for people to get edified, really? See these very important topics, that impact, the things aren't
going to get better. Inflation is not good. Open borders isn't good. Huge financial is interest buying up houses so that the middle class can't buy or own anything disaster. The world economic forum is a disaster. So we're up against Real different enemies. It's much easier to identify the enemies of in World War Two. The ones now because it's much more three-dimensional, you're 100% right about that. My mind does this ready as agreeing with you?
And I see what I see that's going on my little glimmers into certain things that really bother me. I think. Thank God I'm reminded of he whose grave is the majority live even if there's like one or two you? So like even though it's like nobody else comes up and like gets a backbone and actually starts to like deal with these things. We're the majority man. I truly believe that power is
going to come from the big guy top man. it's his will that works through us and in us and causing us to do his good work and man that dude I really enjoyed this conversation and it's like I got a lot from it. Honestly I'm trying to Model A little bit of my show after what I see you doing which is covering such a diversity of topics that nobody can just slap a label on like that people may say, oh your conspiracy theorists are you're cool with that group of people.
It's like, listen, I'm cool with anybody who knows how to be cool, but like we can meet and have these conversations and there's I tell people all the time, the shows, like, I don't agree with everything I hear on. So, I'm not asking anybody to agree with everything they hear, if you're tuning in, what? Use your critical thinking, make your own choice, right? Just right. And you can pick and choose
Rock, right? Just chopping it up on those topics is a good way because anything that we may share or have experience or digging into that, could be the survival guide for somebody else, you've never met before. So true, you know, you can sustain a key part that they needed to hear in order to like get over a fear or two to make a connection. Like we don't know how far the ripple effect goes well like individually. We have no idea how deep it goes.
I believe someday, we're going to know, William someday, we're gonna see the Marvel of him. Oh my gosh, like, here I am thinking. I was like, you know, doing something great here in like everything that really great was happening, was just, I've had very strange events. Like I wasn't really that much that public until maybe the last three or For years. I was kind of just writing books but even then, when I put stuff out, people would recognize me.
I'd be at the store or something like that. It's like fight club or something. They would just look at me and go and I would look back at them and go. And now visit never change words, I be inlined just, you know, checking out with groceries. Please do not go. Is that what that my point is? Is that's the Ripple? I don't know. I've been on that's why I almost go on every show that includes me. I don't know where it goes. Like I was on have been on so
many different shows. Different types of people different Christian Fringe, when I first came out, our first wrote, my first book, I was on Christian friend shows, you know, they weren't, I never got him. I don't think I maybe Skywatch, I can't think of really any big Christian show or anything church or anything. That's it for invited me. These small shows but then people go, man, he's ideas. They sent a crazy and then they go. Let me check this out a little
bit more. Yeah, I don't know. I've never I've never been called to go on a Pulpit or But it does. I mean the power of this thing is this ripple effect? You don't really know. I don't know, there's a couple messages and emails that I remind myself of when I'm like kind of like going through a season where it's like this is you know, something's coming up against you and it's consuming all of that time and you kind of feel that negative vibe coming off on you.
There's a couple people that have Very in a very short manner, true to the point delivered. Some information to me that when I read it, I knew it's almost. Like when you, you just send you look at somebody else and they have that look and you just nod your head. When I read that message, I just knew I could feel. This is a real person who's dealt with real issues who really got something out of, I don't know. Some people call it a Ministry, I don't know, just go to
podcasts in the guy next door. I'm asking weird questions. I'm, you know, chopping it up, trying to learn trying to Have a wider Spectrum than just what YouTube is willing to show me right now. And not good, dude. I watch YouTube on time to learn how to like fix. A part of my car is like I'm crazy idea to. I use it for that. Yeah. But you can go down some really weird.
You spend an hour or two on YouTube, start with one video and just literally document where you go where you end up at. It's like that's not by accident. So I have had people call my show a Ministry though that's is interesting. Like, I don't think of it as a Ministry, I think of it, more of like information, like kind of Evergreen Information I think is would be accurate but, you know, I do a lot of cry mean.
Most of my stuff is it's all like the substructures all Christian. It's Not Over. Not a big fan of the way that history has been. When we look at what the church has done and what's been going on in all the division, I'm not a big fan of that. I have a better idea of what the future could look like if we introduce some humility. And we started to allow the miners to be with the miners in the majors with the majors only important topics when it comes to the church.
Right. But I was in a parking lot and I'm just doing what it is that I do is like I will talk with I'm like a magnet for people just like talking with me which I love that, you know, and this older Italian guy, we were talking, you know, I'm like dude I got like five minutes.
I've never met this guy before, kind of like, hey, I got to get moving, half an hour into it. You know, he's got me on the line, I'm like we're chopping up going back and forth and he stops puts his hands on his hips and Squints at me and gets real close and says you should be a minister. You should get out of that clothes and go dress up and be a minister. And I said, I am a minister.
I'm Minister it to you, right? Most of the real Ministry and a lot of my listeners, know, this and friends and family. Like it happens in the parking lot doesn't happen in the four corners. It doesn't mean it can't happen in those four corners. I don't want to Rob nothing from them. I believe there's people that are diligent, it says, you're do good to all, but especially to those of the house of the Lord, if they're preaching Christ crucified and resurrected, listen, I'll support you.
Ministry happens outside of that too. But it takes a backbone to be in God's calling in to do that kind of stuff man. I look at your show as a Ministry. You don't even throw a person late. A lot of times I deal with people. I don't even talk about like I don't bring Bob versus I just talked to him about. Listen, this is what I really had dealt with your talent of. You're telling me what you're going through and reciprocating you on what I did, how I felt people built.
They build trust with you and then they start to go man, what's different about you? And it's like, wow I repented there was a lifting off from us, all right? You know, my experience people just getting on their level meeting them, where they're at. But I feel like there's there's some importance here when you see evangelist running around out there with the Bible and they're just like, if you don't believe this, you're going to hell.
It's like, you have no idea. If the ripple effect in that person's life, right now is stirring them to come to the identification of I need to repent and I've been living wrong, right? And yeah, something's not right with my like, I don't like my outcomes. I need to change and literally The British military. They would March if they repent and they would turn right.
Like, I literally need to turn from this way that I've been going and reinvent myself, but people want to run around out there and slap them with, you know, both from song, I don't know. Seminary School guy has a piece of paper and he's saying do it this way or else you're not included. I think we're missing the very people were going after by doing it that way.
So, I'm not saying is wrong, there's times where it's like, listen, have you heard the good news, but meeting people where they're at. If you guys believe this, Be genuine. Slow down. Pay attention. Watch try to, you know, try to feel what people are going through. We've all been there. None of us are exempt. William keep exposing the darkness. Do not grow weary in doing good man, because in due season, we're going to read to read, man. Thank you. But wise, it's been great to be
with you. You have anything you want to add before we hit the non record button time, short time is short so don't talk like that. You are the reason I'm grateful. You are worthy. You are worthy of my prayers and you're worthy of my Praises. I pray to you every day just like David. You took me from the streets but you brought me back to you. You cleaned up my life because this is what you do. People got their opinions but I'm sticking to the course Miss Cappy.
Just can't to show me like yours, truly short. You are the reason why I gotta keep grabbing and I'm grateful for your love and no I'm not asking you. The reason for your mercy that you had on my life, even when I was getting high with talk to you with nights, I seen people die from this. Things I did at 25 years old I had my first kid. My life started to change. I knew I wanted a better in my
lifetime. Yeah I seen it a lot of Jetta people got her family members turn to me, my heart needed. Real repair, I need a surgery. You came through in the clutch, even when I gave up, Lord You Are My Savior so I'm never giving up your worth of the Praises. That's why I Sing Praises. I love you. Jesus Christ, that's why you are my savior. You know what Laura, the wasn't for you? I wouldn't even be here. You know. Everybody might not understand my calling in life, but I know
you and I'm thankful. I'm grateful, you're worthy before. I finished up the song, I Gotta Give credit. Lord. You help me with my ATM. And that's a debit. I'm purchasing things. Now, I gotta sneak a fetish. I'm like, them Pumas over there. Get it. Look, reddish. So whom much is given also allowed to fire. Your word is gonna say and I gotta press through the flyer. The kind of me has messed up, but I still got hired if it's your plan, one day, I can hire you. You're worthy.
I'm grateful. You're worthy. You are the reason I'm grateful. You are worthy. You are worthy.