¶ Rodeo Photography and Liam Neeson
Emma Foles how are you ?
I'm doing good . How are you doing ?
Pretty good . Thank you for joining me on this Wednesday evening . I'm happy to be here . Yeah , you want to hear a guilty pleasure that I have right now .
Oh boy , what is it ?
Okay , so like last week and days ago exactly 10 days ago , right I watched a liam neeson movie , right . Okay , it was sinners and saints , it's like ira kind of stuff back in the 70s and stuff like that , and I was like you know what it's a good movie . It's like you know what ? I need to start watching more liam neeson movies , right ?
So this whole time , like the last liam neeson movie I ever watched wasn't taken right it was rob roy back in the 90s , 1990s were you ? Were you born then or no ? oh , okay I was not your age , so don't know your age . But rob roy , very good movie , 90s , probably mid 90s I think , and I was just like you know what just brought me back .
I'm like I think I need to go watch his movie . So last 10 days I've been watching a Liam Neeson movie every day every single day , every single day , I watch one Liam Neeson movie . You know what one I'm watching right now , before I got on taken to taken to have you . Have you watched Liam Neeson movies ?
Uh , I don't think so . I am so bad with I might've . I'm so bad with , like any actors or actresses , I could not tell you who's in what . I not a skillset .
Okay , well , he has a lot of skill sets . He has a lot of particular skill sets , so a lot of particular skill sets . So I saw taking one and that's what he kind of says , you know and so it's uh , it's pretty funny because he's like the nicest hit man . He always gets the girls , he always is the honest guy .
You know , there's like the movie honest thief , but if you watch majority of his movies lately they're all the same . He's lost his , I guess , his thinking , his thoughts , his memory . There's a movie Memory . I mean if you think of a movie or you think of like a plot , he's done it and he's like one of the nicest hitmans out there .
So I'm saying this because just to get the nerves away , did it work ? I'll have to go take a look check it out , check it out and then for the listeners . I know that's a little segue , but I wanted to share my guilty pleasure . I might do an episode on Liam Neeson movies .
I'm not sure .
So far , yeah , yeah , so far , so far , so good . But I just was like I was taken back from that movie and I was like you know what ? I'm going back to the filmography and just watching whatever that's streaming right now . And so I got Netflix , I got Amazon prime , you name it , I got it and I'm just watching .
I'm the same way the free , the free , the free movies . And I know I'm gonna end up buying some movies , but my daughters I have three of them and they all make fun of me for watching liam neeson movies hey , you want to watch a movie . They're like what are you gonna watch liam neeson ? Like yes , they're like no . So yeah , welcome my world .
Oh man , so not nervous anymore . Did I help ?
yeah , it did okay , all right .
all right , emma foals , you are the em Foles photographer .
Yeah , how long have you been doing it ? I started back in . It was only spring of 2023 that I started this journey of my rodeo photography . So we're going on two years , but it's been some of the best two years of my life , I got to say .
I bet I mean you're quite the photographer . Thank you Small world , you know , elaine . I do , I'm not going to shout her out . I'm not going to shout her out because she didn't set this up or give me a heads up . Hey , get Emma on . No , I did this without elaine , so no no , we've become very , very close friends .
Uh , I mean , we've only known each other like eight months now , like not long .
So that you're her girl . Is that true ?
what'd she say ?
that you're her girl , is that ?
true ? What'd she say ? That you are her girl . Yeah , we're pretty tight , we got pretty tight pretty quick , and so that's one of the amazing things that doing rodeo photography has brought me is wonderful .
Community of people which I definitely needed when I started this . Yeah , she , she's , she's good lady , she's good lady . So no shout out , but even though , say your name . It is kind of . But no shout out , elaine , you don't deserve it . She listens to all the episodes . By the way , she said , outside of my family , she's my number one fan .
So that's what she said . That's awesome . Yeah , so with Elaine knowing all that , it's a big world , but small world . You are here , there and everywhere in between . How do you do that ?
A lot of help there . I started local , honestly . I started with the Walla Walla Community College Rodeos , where I started , and then , after I did that one , I fell in love with shooting rodeo and it kind of took off from there and I started following around the Northwest Region College Rodeo and I have not missed a rodeo since fall of 2023 .
I've been at every single one of their rodeos photographing for them and it has been a blast . But uh , it's taken me a lot of places . I mean I've gone . I mean not like super far . I think the furthest we've gone is Susanville , california , northern California , so it was about a 10 hour drive , but each way .
Yeah , yeah . Um , I've been there quite a few times , okay .
Yeah , yeah . But no , this , this industry takes me a lot of places . I've been all over Washington , couple of places in Oregon gearing up for a very busy 2025 season .
My , I don't honestly know if I have a free weekend the whole summer yeah , I saw your schedule looks , uh , quite , quite fascinating and busy yeah , and I don't even have everything on there at the moment , so but still still wow , but still still Wow .
Yeah , we started following each other because I had this one guy , Wiley Coyote . Yeah , you know that guy . I think that's when we started . Yeah , that guy started following you , you started following me , and then you know it's all like OK , elaine , did you hear that episode ? Yes , I did like okay elaine , did you hear that episode ? Yes , I did .
I talked about , like , my love for photography . Even though I don't take photos , yeah , I try to live in the moment , but because I live like vicariously through your guys's lens , I I love it . So I really get a kick out of your guys's photos . So , thank you .
It's funny about me because I'm like I love doing rodeo photography and taking pictures like that , but I'm also outside of that . I'm such a live in the moment person and I'm usually not taking very many pictures on my phone or anything like that .
Right , right , so like live in the moment , right , right , I went to go see culture wall okay and everybody was on the phone . Everybody was on the phone on the phone is dark as dark as heck . You can't really see him because the lighting was just dim . I was in spokane .
I watched him in spokane , right and it was just like I can't , I can't , I can't record it , I can't record it . I'll take a picture but I'll can't record it because why ? You know , and you're in vegas . I saw red clay strays in vegas twice now , you know , and people are on their phone . 24 is no .
I went to go see Willie Nelson and Chris Stapleton this summer , you know and everybody's on everybody's on their phone .
I can't do it , you know and you paid all this money and you're going to skip on your phone .
Right , right . I see my kids do it . I'm get off your phone , but they're learning . They're learning live in the moments . Live in the moment . Even though you capture , you capture the events , the action . Why still photograph and not video ?
oh , I don't . I've kind of started to move into video a little bit just for the fun of it , but I think what I love so much about like photographing is is freezing the memories for these athletes . It's going to be become something that they can look back on in 50 years who knows , when they have kids and grandkids and they can show them like .
This is what I did , and I walked into tons of homes where there's generations of cowboys and cowgirls hanging on the wall of their rodeo images and just like knowing I get to be a part of that and being able to provide that makes me really happy , and so I think I just enjoy freezing those moments and making those memories versus a video .
I've seen some of the action photos . You know the still framed action photos . I've seen some of the action photos . You know the still framed action photos . Pretty phenomenal work . Did you go to school for that , did you ? I mean , are you going to school for that ? I don't know if you're still in school .
I'm not , I'm in , I'm kind of in school , but I do online school , but , um , I did not go to school for photography . Actually , I took a class in high school , like my sophomore year of high school or something like that , and um , but I actually grew up with a professional photographer as a mom .
So he does like portraits and all the like families and seniors and all of that Um , but I grew up learning a lot from her and so , um , that's kind of how I got back into photography when I got a little older .
So got back into it because you were helping your mom .
Yeah , I always helped my mom out when I was younger and I always enjoyed taking her camera and taking pictures and stuff like that . And then I kind of ditched it for a while in high school and then moved to Walla Walla .
You were helping with props . Yeah , do the pose . Yes , look a little sassy .
Flip the hair . I was always the model for a long time , but now I get to be on the other side of the camera , which I like a lot better .
So yeah , yeah , yeah , does it pay off ?
yeah , I mean um pay off in satisfaction for me and for the athletes . Yes , as a money-making industry . Eh , I'm just starting out too , like I mean , two years into it isn't a super long time , and so I'm still getting my name out there , but we're getting there .
Yeah , you're doing a pretty good job . Thank you , pretty good job . So the payoff is love of the game , yeah . Love of the moment yeah , for sure .
For sure You're capturing it .
Yeah , yeah , no , I I'm definitely the kind of person who I have such like a giving heart and I like to be able to provide things for people and like do things for people , and so the love of the game here is , for sure , one of my number one reasons why I do it because when I see people post their images or change their profile picture , or I see
family members who have commented going , oh my gosh , that's such a great image Like those little things mean so much to me , knowing that they loved the work I was able to provide them .
Yeah , didn't Elaine draw recently she ?
did ? She drew one of my images and I was . She asked me . She was like can , would you be okay if I drew one ? I'm like , absolutely , you don't even have to ask . Like go ahead .
But all the photos that she takes she doesn't draw , you know , she draws yours .
She started drawing some of hers , but I was honored to have her draw one of mine .
So don't give her too much credit . So two years in and loving it , yeah , okay , all right , all right .
How do you do what you do with the little ? one how do you do it ? Oh boy , that's the little one um I I'd have to give so much credit of how I am able to do all this to my family . Um , I have such a great support system and um I I live with my mom right now and so she helps out all the time .
When I go on rodeo weekends she watches my little one and I'll go out and I'll come back and sometimes she'll bring him out if it's close enough . Um , sometimes she'll bring them out if it's close enough . But that was kind of one of the big reasons why I got into rodeo photography too is because I really wanted to after I had my little one .
Um , I really wanted to raise him in that community , in the rodeo community in the Western community . Um it's not , it's not something I necessarily grew up in , but I always had a passion for it and I always loved it .
My , my uncle , um he was a big name cattleman in Nevada and he still is , but they sold off , um the ranch that he was managing right before I was born , and so I never really got the opportunity to do that and but I've always loved it and so I knew .
Right after I had my son I was like this is how I want to raise you and I'm going to find a way to do it and be immersed in this community one way or another , and so photography's brought that to me is it because of the values , the morals ?
yeah , the sir , yes , ma'am I mean hard work and blue collar yeah it all .
Just I just love it all and I've always also had like a love for horses and all of that and not something I ever really had the opportunity to do growing up . And so those are the opportunities I want to make for moving forward and for my family moving forward .
¶ Rodeo Events and Photography
For the little one . Yeah , if he , if he had to pick an event for him , to you know , start rolling , get him , get him early . I don't know you , I know you probably won't push him . Parents should not push their kids . If you had to , just you know , hey , check this out . What , what event ?
well , I'd probably either go team roping or steer wrestling . He , he , I have a funny story about that , so he has seen some of my pictures . I actually have some of the my steer wrestling images . There's some hanging in his room and he sees them and he goes .
I want to do that , I want to do that and I'm like , well , you can't do it until you're bigger baby and he's like , he's like okay , but he has this like . I don't know if you've ever seen them .
They're like the , almost they're horses , but they were like the ones they used to sell at Costco and they're like huge they're like little ponies , but they're just a stuffed like thing that you can sit on . Yeah , he's got one of those , and then he's got a little like steer , that bull thing .
That's like a bouncy one that he can bounce on , and he likes to get on his horse and fall off onto his steer and wrestle it because he wants to do it .
So we've kind of already started in on that , so we'll see okay , now question is he gonna be a big boy or is he gonna be one of those tiny guys that take the scene and make everybody look shameful ? Because he's a little guy throwing , you know , calves around ?
so he's . He's probably gonna be six , six , one , something like that . He's probably going to be a little bit bigger , but we'll see .
Okay , wiley , wiley , jean , that boy man . Yeah , not shouting him out , but he's going to listen . Not shouting him out or anything , but man , he's a cowboy , he's good at what he does . Yes , he does . He does so travel , work .
You do all that because the parents , mom , yeah , thank goodness for mom thank goodness for moms , for grandmas , for yeah , when you travel , do you have traveling buddies or no ?
Nope , it's just me .
Does mom worry about you ?
Oh yeah , 100% .
This is some long hours and you know what that's those lonely roads .
She worries about me . She's got my location . She'll call me if I don't call her when I get somewhere .
Like well , shout out to mom little one . Yeah , shout out to mom and little one thank you for allowing this to work for her to I like to be on the road . Her passion yeah , I , I do too , but I also know long hours in the arena in the dirt and then traveling back and forth to and from is dangerous , so please be careful .
I will . I do my best , at least . Yes .
Photograph for college pro . I don't like this word Amateur rodeo . You do ICA , mpra , prca , congrats , oh , congrats , oh , my goodness yeah , I'm working .
I've got a few contracts for some PRCA rodeos this summer . I'm working towards getting my permit , hopefully within the next year , but we'll see moving pretty fast , looking good though yeah , so that , that's awesome , congrats . Yeah , thank you .
Which one do you like the most ? I'm not trying to put you on the spot , but which one do you like the most ? Oh boy ?
That's a hard one . They all bring something I love Um , um they all bring something I love . Um , I I think right now it's going to be between the college rodeo or the MPRA Um cause for PRCA . I'm not allowed to shoot in the arena at the moment yet , so I haven't really gotten to like get the kind of like shots and stuff I want for that .
but my , I like the MPRA because I feel like there's a lot more competition there yeah , um but the college rodeo has a soft spot because that's how I got my start and that , like those coaches , those college colleges , those athletes , they were also welcoming to me when I first started and so I love to travel with them and everybody , like , has started to know
who I am , and so it's it's got a soft spot in my heart for sure for being one of my favorite things to shoot well , good , so college it is I'll just take college ? Yeah , I think so treasure valley .
It seems like you are a frequent flyer . There . Yeah , is that true ?
uh , kind of I mean , yeah , is that true ? Uh , kind of I mean , um , I traveled down that way a lot for family and stuff , so , um , I run into people there but uh , drew the coach there is .
He's also the head of the Northwest region , so I do a lot of my communicating with him and he w he was a big part in my getting started of like allowing me in the arena and kind of helping me out and so , um , yeah , and I've gotten to know , I've gotten to know a few people on the team there become some good friends with some people , so , but they've
also got the biggest program .
So yeah , yeah , well , one of the best in the nation . Yeah , one of the best . I mean even Pacific Northwest .
Yeah , they've got some really good athletes coming out of there .
I'm not saying anything bad about the other schools . No , absolutely not , I'm just saying Treasure Valley when you hear it . They can compete with the big dogs in Texas and stuff like that . So that's why I say what I say yeah , shout out to drew . I text him for the first time the other day and try to get something going on .
So I'll end up being there sometime this spring to watch and interview him and get to know treasure valley a little more , since I've been , you know , interviewing a few of those athletes yeah , you got quite a few of them on here , so man , mike reed gosh .
He doesn't look like a stellar athlete , but man he he is right yeah , I mean I haven't watched him very much I , because this is his first year at treasure valley , and then I I just started getting to know his name through MPRA last year .
So yeah , he comes off as a humble kid , right Humble guy , he's younger than I am , but you know , he humble guy . But then when you see him it's just like , dude , you are fit , you are ripped man , yeah . So yeah , he's , he's , yeah . And then there's Bella . Just met her . She , she's quite the lady , you know .
So , yeah , no treasure valley , shout them out . I'll be there soon .
Hopefully you're able to be there yeah , I mean I , I will be at all of the college rodeos this spring .
So okay , I'll make sure to run into you . Yeah , hey , okay .
Favorite event . Favorite event I think I got to go back to the two that I'm pushing Clay my little one , towards . Okay , is team rope intersteer wrestling ? Okay , I don't know why , I love them both .
I mean , okay , I've always , I've always geared towards the timed events more than the rough stock events in my favoritism anyway , but out of all of them , I think those are some of my favorites .
So a header or a healer healer why is he ? Why isn't that the toughest one ?
it is , but I like watching it the most because it's it's tough challenging yeah , like I don't know how they do it I'm watching it and I'm like I I don't don't know how , but and it also I mean because I photograph it I get so many cool shots of it Like I'm watching the rope go right under the right , under the Sears heels , and I'm like , how Like yeah
Right , they just like looping under there , I don't know it's an art , it's a form of art .
Let me tell you Props to the people who can do it . Yeah , I've had a few ropers on and I ask them header or healer ? And they're like you know , they always say header , so , but then there's always a couple that say healer . Then I ask why ?
I can't do it , but I like watching them .
Yeah . Then they say healer that a lot of them say because they finish the job , I'm like all right , all right , but it's also the toughest part of the job , yeah , so all right . Steer wrestling too , all right . Okay , which one do you like to watch ?
when you're , when you're in the dirt .
When you're in the dirt , just know in general which one do you like to watch . Not capture , just watch just watch .
Um , I enjoy watching the tie down rope in a lot .
Okay .
Um , and I also enjoy saddle Bronx , if I had to choose one from each event .
Okay , why ? Why is that a bra ?
I don't know it , just like I mean I I'm kind of going to refer . Like I mean I I'm kind of going to refer back to uh , your episode with Mike is it's , it's kind of a dance between the rider and the horse . Like there's , it feels a lot more I'm trying to think of the word it , just it . I feel like it flows a lot more than like bareback does .
Well , anything flows better than bareback .
Well , yeah , but it just I don't know . You just watch it and you can just see the connection between the rider and the horse and like the way that they're doing it . I don't know .
Isn't there a connection with the bareback too ? I ?
mean look there a connection with the ?
bareback too . I mean a little different yeah , I know , I'm just trying to have fun . So saddle bronc , all right , and tied it down . Tied , all right . Which one ? I've already had the capture . Who's the one person you like to watch ? All right , which one ? I already had the capture . Who's ?
the one person you like to watch oh one person , let's go to . Let's , let's go to . Oh , I don't know , I honestly don't think I have like a one or two people that I like set my eye on to watch every time , necessarily , that's that's not not good , okay , okay . I really don't . I mean , I don't know .
I've never been one to like set my eye on one person , to like constantly watch , and you know you don't like to look at the talent , though .
I mean , there's so much talent out there . You're like man , this is a gift and they got it .
It's like it kind of comes with , just like when I'm photographing , like I watch , I see what they're doing and I watch it , but there's not one person that I necessarily like follow their career . I don't know , I've just never been one to follow one person's career necessarily , I guess .
Name one person that someone should look out for Myself . Name one person that someone should look out for .
Myself . I have so many names I got to go through . Just do it . I don't know .
All right , I really Too much pressure on you .
I feel like I haven't had enough time to like Get to know one person and Like what you know , watch them . I don't really , because I don't .
Too much pressure for you . I got it . I got it . I'm sorry . I don't want to put you out there like that , I'm sorry . Maybe one day , when you're not , you know , taking photos and everything , just sit back and take everything in you know I think that has something to do with it is I'm so focused on , like , capturing every single
¶ Life of a Rodeo Photographer
person .
I don't spend much time like focused on just one because I'm focused on hundreds , because I'm focused on hundreds you know I got you .
You got to live in the moment though . Right what we said , you got my best right . Do you ever look at results afterwards or you just look at the results ?
of the photos , mostly just the results of the photos . I usually got to go back and ask people like who ended up winning an event man ?
So it's all business not fun .
It . It kind of is when I'm photographing it , it's a lot Cause I . I got to focus on the click of the button for every time someone's coming out of the shoot . I got to be paying attention and then , right as I'm done , I mean I leave . I leave a rodeo with like I don't know .
I usually leave my college rodeos in one weekend with 12 to 13,000 photos that I got to sort , goodness Okay . And then I got to go through and I uh , I use my day sheets and I have to name every single photo based on the athlete and I got to put them all in there .
So I've got like hundreds of names that I'm rolling through each weekend and so sometimes it's hard to keep track of just one or two people .
Favorite event or rodeo sorry , favorite rodeo that you like to photograph so far far , so , far so far . Yeah .
My favorite rodeo so far has probably been the one down in Susanville , california , for Lassen College .
Okay .
The photos that I come out from that rodeo are just I can't even describe it like the . The background and the scenery there that gets behind it is just gorgeous . It's mountains , it's beautiful sunsets , it's incredible . But this last we were just there in October and unfortunately I lost .
So we it was a Friday and Saturday rodeo with slacks and I lost all of Friday's images because my hard drive crashed and I was , and that had so many beautiful photos on it . But I recovered a few of them , but most of them are gone .
But I think that's gotta be my favorite rodeo so far , but that's probably going to change in this upcoming year , Cause I've got a lot more on my list this year .
So let me ask you this . I know you're in the dirt for hours . Yes , what event are you able to go ? Take a break , none , let's really none .
I , once I step foot in that arena , I do not leave until the rodeo is over you don't .
I mean you don't use the bathroom , you don't get a snack , you don't get a drink . Do you carry all that stuff with you ?
no , that's , I take care of everything beforehand and then I am in that dirt for two , three hours , however long they take okay , gotta take care of yourself .
Yeah , when you're on the road , what's your go-to snack , go-to drink , preferably energy drink .
I actually don't drink energy drinks no good go-to drink is gonna be diet Pepsi it just hits different , right it does go-to snack , pepsi . Hey , it just hits different right . It does oh um , go to snack . Oh , I do . A lot of pretzels . I like pretzels , the salt . I like salty snacks , salty crunchy snacks .
It's all the salts depleted because you don't take . You don't get in any intake while you're shooting . Okay , Mom , you better hear this and make sure she takes care of herself in the dirt and on and around the dirt .
Shout out to mom again , jeez Okay .
Do you eat peanut butter jelly sandwiches ?
Not as often as I make them . I make them a lot for my little one because he's only two , but yeah , but I eat them sometimes .
Okay , how does he like them ? Give it a rundown . How does he like them ? Give it a rundown . How does he like ? How do you make the little one the peanut butter jelly sandwich ?
Well , if I'm , if we're , if we're having a good day , I I'll make , I'll make them a special PB , and J and I'll I'll do the bread and the peanut butter and the jelly and I will cut it into a tractor shape for him with cookie cutter .
Wow , I was wondering . I was like what , how do you do that All ?
right , you've got this big tractor cookie cutter and I'll make him a tractor sandwich and that's what he'll ask me for On days that we're just rushing through it
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. It's just plain and simple . We're , we're throwing some bread , peanut butter jelly and cutting it in half .
We're good to go and you don't eat . He doesn't eat the crust . He , he'll eat the crust if I put it on there , okay , but but like when you are done , cookie cut right , what do ?
you do with the rest . I'll eat around the crust and I'll throw the crust away . What , what ? The crust is the best part , all right , I will eat the crust if there's like the whole sandwich , but I won't . Once it's cut it's basically only crust , and so I'm not just eating crust .
So you're wasting a lot of food .
I'm joking , Well fine .
All right Now does he like his PBJ , Like more peanut butter to jelly or more jelly to peanut butter ?
I make them with more peanut butter to jelly .
Why is that ?
Because that's how I like them .
He hasn't told me any different .
yet he's not old enough to have a say yet .
Okay , so diet Pepsi salty pret Pretzels and Tractor Cut EBJ Sandwich EBJs the more we know . Thank you for entertaining that .
Oh yeah .
That is a stable question . It hits every now and then , but since you got a little person , oh , I make them all the time . Tractor . That's the first , by the way , out of 200 , this would be 245 episodes . That's the first I've ever heard somebody cookie cutting their pvj , so thank you that's how he likes them all right , I think I'm gonna try it .
I think I'm gonna try it it tastes better , trust me yeah , yeah , okay yeah . What kind of bread , though White ?
White . Yeah , or I'll . I'll make it sometimes , but Okay .
So how do you think this episode went ?
Good .
Still going . You think you got enough , you think you got more , or do you think this is enough ? Now , when you get prca , you come back and you tell me I don't know .
I think I , I think I've said a lot of what my my experience , my story is here okay , but I want you back on once that you hit that prca , all right deal and I want to know if and when you took the time to see who won the events .
At least one rodeo , okay , I bet you , the moment you start paying attention to that game changer , I think , yeah , I think it would be more fun than anything , because I go to the rodeos and I love going to the ICA , I love going to the NPRAs , the small town ones , just to look at the talent .
Yeah .
What I do is just watch the rides , see how they do it see how you know , just see just their demeanor and the way they just do their thing . And then it see how you know , just see just their demeanor and the way they just do their thing , and then I see how they perform and it's , there's nothing like it .
There's nothing like it when you pay attention to the whole cowboy , the whole system , the cowgirl , you know it's , it's , it's amazing . I mean , you can literally you pay attention , dissect it and just know it's like wow .
I'll have to do it at some rodeos . I'm not shooting , because if I'm photographing , it's 100% focused on getting those shots .
I think you paying more attention , just a little bit more . I think it'll be a game changer .
Just saying , just saying .
Just saying , okay , little bit more . I think I think it'll be a game changer , just saying , just said it , just okay . Did I miss anything ? Do you want to add anything ?
I don't think so . I think that covers a lot okay , ultimate goal ultimate goal ? I think my ultimate goal right now is get my PRCA card . That's that's my goal at the moment .
We're working for it , but Okay , well , you , you're getting there , you pretty much got it . You're just waiting .
So yeah , it's . It's a lengthy process , but yeah , I know .
That's why , when I found out that I was like dang all right . So , emma , you got something going on . Keep doing what you're doing . Thank you , glad that you were able to make it on the podcast . Please come back . I'm very happy to be here . Please come back . Tell mom I said hi , I will Give the little one a hug and just know you're making it .
You're doing it and people are watching and you know they're fans , so shout you out , emma .
Thank you so much appreciate it till next time alright , yeah , until next time , all right .