The Evolving World of Podcasting Technology (and more) – MDW399

I don't know if you can notice any difference in the audio. Probably not. But, yeah. I got new toys, which I'll talk about here, in a little bit. But, a little bit of a personal update. Yeah. Nothing crazy in, in, you know, as far as life. It's all going swimmingly. Like I said, nothing crazy going on. Busy at work and busy with other podcast projects and whatnot. As you know, I always talk about, Podcast Insider and, the Auto History podcast, which goes in fits

and starts. But, eventually, we'll get that on a on a somewhat regular schedule. It's a little bit different because they have a cohost and scheduling. Doesn't always work out, but that's alright. Fall seems to be in the air here at least this weekend, but, it's supposed to kick back up into the nineties after this weekend, but, today's high is supposed to

be sixty. So, I don't know what that is in Celsius, but it's it's it's a little on the chilly side, you know, when you're used to seventies and eighties and sometimes nineties. But, you know, that's Northern Michigan. Don't like the weather. Wait a minute. But, but all that's going good. We we did go down to the opening game for the for Michigan football, last weekend over the Labor Day weekend, and then we camped, you know, all of Labor Day, in a town called Ypsilanti.

And if you go look at the show notes, you'll look at the, the spelling of that town, and it doesn't look anything like it sounds. But the true pronunciation is Ypsilanti, and it's basically, between Ann Arbor and Detroit. You said not too far out of Ann Arbor, and that's where, Michigan, University of Michigan is. So, but, yeah, we decided we just, take a take a camping trip instead of get a hotel or driving down, driving back. It was a night game, so didn't wanna

get home at, three in the morning. So, we we've thought we'd bring the, camper with us. So that's what we did, and we got to leave the beagles at home. Both beagles are doing good, but, they're a pain in the butt camping, because you can't really leave them in the camper, and you can't really leave them in the car when it's hot out. And and, yeah, it's just inconvenient. So, my mom came over and watched the dogs for the weekend. That was cool. And, made a made a a very relaxing ish

trip. The other thing we did while we were down there, we went to the, Michigan Flight Museum, which is formerly known as the Yankee Air Museum. That's on the grounds of, Ypsilanti Airport or Willow Run Airport, actually, is what it's called, but it's in Ypsilanti. And that's the old b twenty four bomber factory

back from World War two. In fact, in the museum, they have a whole section about Rosie the Riveter, which is based on a a person that worked at that bomber plant and, actually had you know, got to watch a video of of her, being interviewed. So I'm guessing sometime in the seventies or eighties, but, it was really interesting, if you ever seen the poster with, you know, the the the woman with the you know, looked like she was a factory worker, you know, holding her arm up. So we can do it.

And, that was Rosie the riveter riveter. And, like I said, she worked in the b twenty four factory there in, at Willow Run. So that that was cool. And, you know, the museum's got some cool airplanes. They got a a Blue Angel f eighteen. They got an f four from the Vietnam era. They got a bunch of World War two stuff, and an f eighty four jet from, the Thunderbirds. So they got both the Navy and the Air Force covered there, and, it's a really neat museum. It's it's it's smallish, you

know. Of course, I'm used to the, museum of the you know, National Museum of the US Air Force in Dayton, Ohio, which is huge. And, I was in Washington DC a couple of weeks ago and didn't make it out to, the Uber Hazy Center at, Dulles, which is a big museum as well, but, I'll make it there someday. Did get to walk around the Washington Mall and, visit all the the war memorials and the Lincoln Memorial, Washington Memorial. That was that was cool, but I got about five miles in that day.

And I came home on Friday. I was sore as hell. I sat down in the recliner and fell asleep, and I woke up. Apparently, I caught the plague while I was out there and, was sick for, I don't know, four or five days. You know, no voice and just generally yuck. You know, felt like a cold. I don't I don't know what I had. I didn't get tested for COVID. What's the point? But, you know, it was the cold, flu, COVID, whatever it was. I call it the plague, but, all better

now. A couple weeks later, good to go. But, yeah, one thing I did notice being close to Detroit and, you know, I have no particular problem with Detroit. A lot of lot of it's quite nice for a big city, but there's a lot of sketchy areas in Detroit. But, apparently, there's some sketchy areas in Ypsilanti. We, were coming back from Ann Arbor, went over went over to Ann Arbor to visit my nephew who lives there. And on our way back, we oh, we need

to top off the gas. And so, you know, we get off the freeway in Ypsilanti, and they pull into a gas station, and, none of the pumps work. What the heck is this? And, so then I go to another station and none of the pumps worked. Like, I I don't get it. So I went in that one, and I go in there and the and the clerk at the gas station is behind bulletproof glass. And if you wanna buy anything, he has to put it through a little little hole in the

thing. And it's, yeah. Okay. Whatever. And I went to another gas station, and the the pumps actually worked. And but, of course, went in. And, again, everybody's behind bulletproof glass. You know? I've come to the conclusion there's two things. You know, in Ann Arbor, it is not like that. But Ann Arbor, it's impossible to find a place to park in Ann Arbor. Just absolutely you know, of course, game day, it's gonna be real crazy, but even

this was after game day. And it just can't find a place to park or even stop. So I ended up you know, we went to a a deli. She wanted to get some stuff at the deli, and I couldn't find a place to park. I dropped her off, and I circled around the block, circled around another block, went up down the street. There was no place I could just sit and wait. There was no place to

park and get out of the truck. And I just don't know how, you know, between those two things, you know, if if if it's high enough crime area where the the gas station attendants have to be behind bulletproof glass, I don't wanna live there. Same thing with the parking. If if I have to pay to park, and and that wasn't even an option in parts of Ann Arbor. It just was no parking. But, in other parts,

they have paid lots. That's fine. I don't mind that if I'm just visiting, but I will never live somewhere where paying to park is routine. And I'll never live somewhere where my local gas stations have to be behind bullet bulletproof glass. You know? I understand that happens in a lot of places in the country and all that. And I understand that that's kind of a tough job to be

a gas station attendant. But in my humble opinion, they should have a twelve gauge behind the counter and, you know, that, or or some other form of self defense for the the workers. And, you know, that might detour some of the crime, but, you know, you never know. I just don't wanna live in a place like that. You know, I don't mind visiting. It's, that just happens from time to time. I get it, but I don't have to like it. Anyway, so that's kind

of the personal update. So I was talking about, did you notice any difference in the audio here? Probably not because I had this I have this new device set up similar to the old Rodecaster. And I shouldn't say old. It's pretty new too. But, I was at Podcast Movement in DC. That's what I was there for. And I met the guy that invented this device called, let me see. I wrote it down, Audio Sigma PodMobile DSP. And if you wanna see it, it's at,

b s w usa dot com. I'll have a link in the show notes over at mike dell dot com. But, it's a neat device. This particular one, he hand built. Now it's being manufactured in Texas. So it's, all US made, and it's a a really simple mic interface, USB. And and it also works. It's powered off of the USB, so there's no power cord. You can plug two mics in it. It has a compressor limiter gate.

It's called he calls it the, denoiser. And you just hold the button with the mic plugged in, and it will adjust to the room, the noise level, and all that stuff. And, pretty much, you know, you can set different levels of the noise blanker. I've got it set at the mid level because I don't think I'm in a too noisy spot. But it was absolutely amazing, and it's a small device. You know, I would say four inches by six inches and maybe an inch and a little bit thick. And it's really

super simple controls. You got a gain knob. You got a headphone volume knob. And then on the backside, you got a couple of buttons for the denoiser and the level of the denoiser and, you know, couple other things like that, but it's super dead simple to set up. And the really cool part about it is it'll run off of an iPhone or an Android or a iPad. So you just plug the USB into that device and, you know, do the denoiser thing and set your gain and, whatever recording app you have

on your phone and or pad. It works just the same. And you can also that has well, has what looks like a network plug on the bottom of it, and you can actually take these and string them together. So if you've got, you need four microphones, you plug two of them in together. If you need six, you plug three of them in together. It's it's a really cool setup, and and it's really portable. That's that's what's pretty wonderful about it. It, it just it just works. And, you know, that's always the

the way in podcast hardware. In my opinion, the easier it is to record, the more likely you're going to record and keep recording. So with this thing, literally, I turn it on and hit record. You know, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles that the, Roadcaster has. The Roadcaster is cool because, you know, you can fire off carts and and whatnot. And I suppose you could do the same thing depending on what kind of recording software you're using. But, man, this thing is

super dead simple, and it's really cool. I I I really, really like it. You know, and it comes with a little case that you can throw in your backpack. And if you wanna record mobile, you you can do that. Have to bring the mic and the cable. It has XLRs. It does, it even does phantom power if you wanna do a condenser, which I don't recommend for most people. But, yeah. It's, it's really cool. So check

that out, the Audio Sigma PodMobile DSP. And I've been using it, basically as my main phone and Zoom stuff, you know, right here in the office. I, have disconnected the, the Rodecaster Pro two that I have. And it's a really nice device too, but this one is quirky. So, you know, I I would come into work in the morning, the phone would ring, and it'd answer and, you know, of course, it's through the through the Roadcaster. And the Roadcaster apparently had lost connection with

my computer. And I even tried two different comp three different computers. I just bought, the, what I call a mini max. But, Mac mini, you know, that's maxed out on RAM and storage and and processors. So, you know, I've got the m I think it's m three pro or m three, whatever the top one is. And, you know, I figured, okay. Well, I'll just get some, you know, big hardware, and that that should make the RodeCaster play nice. And it still has issues. So I I've kinda given up on that for

now. I I I'll put it on the shelf and let it collect a little dust and probably bring it out at some point. But, I'm really liking this, Pod Mobile. So that's the that's the thing here. Let's see. We had a webinar yesterday, Blueberry and Fountain and a guy from Chris from, Jupiter Broadcasting put on this, webinar talking about Blueberry and all the podcasting two point o stuff, and

value for value and whatnot. And, you know, I gotta tell you, if you're not using a modern podcast app, which you can find over at podcast apps dot com, or I'll have a link directly to it in the show notes there. But, you know, you can do a lot of things. You know, it'll show the transcripts. It'll show, you know, there's you know, you can do a boostogram if you're hooked up with a wallet, and fountain makes that really easy to set up a podcaster wallet or a listener wallet. Oops. I'm

getting called here. Hang on. We'll put it on pause. Is it recording? Yep. Okay. I'm back. I'm not used to stopping these in the middle, but had a phone call I had to take. Just the way it is. But but anyway, these modern podcast apps, you got all these things. You know, my favorite in air quotes is Fountain. You know, go check it out. You know, one of the cool things about Fountain is, you know, say one of the podcasts you listen to does a live stream. It will pop up and

give you a notification saying, hey. This, podcast is going live. And you can hit that and you can listen or watch, depending on if it's audio or video, right in the podcast app. That's that's pretty cool. But, you know, the and it also has the value for value. Like, I this one's enabled for value for value. So if, you know, you could stream Satoshis. You can put in a boostgram, and I'll get that. It's a a a kind of a paid comment, you know, and it's hundred millionth of a Bitcoin is

each Satoshi. So, you know, you send thousand Satoshis, and that might be a quarter, something like that. But, you know, the the cool part about it is it gives you interaction with podcasters that are that are, you know, value for value enabled. And there's quite a bit of them. If you go to podcast index dot org, you can search for podcast there or within fountain there, and and there'll be a little dollar sign or whatever that it denotes that that one is value for

value enabled. And, it's a really good way to interact with podcasters. I do it pretty regularly on the podcasting two point o show with Adam Curry and Dave Jones. And, you know, it it's really cool. They'll, you know, read your boosts on air, or on the on the show, either live or, the recorded show afterwards. But, you know, it's, you know, podcasting two point o and the podcast index project. It's it's mainly for free speech. You know, it it it's taking control away from

the big companies. Podcasting has always been free and open via RSS. And, you know, the the podcast index also has a, namespace initiative, the podcast namespace. You know, that way it's generic and it's not controlled by any company, but it adds features to the to RSS, which is has not happened since Apple joined, you know, podcasting back in two thousand five. A lot of the innovation has gone away, you know, because, well, why bother? Apple's doing it. And, that that's been the the case

up until a few years ago. And now with this, podcast namespace, we're adding things like transcripts. The show has a transcript. And if you're in a podcast two point o app or you're listening on the website, you'll see there's a closed captioning button. And, you can see, you know, what what's going on as it's going on. So, that's pretty cool. And that's one of the podcast two point o

features that Apple actually adopted. So if you're listening on Apple Podcasts, you you can see the transcript of just about any show now. And that's, thanks to the podcast two point o project or podcast index project. You know, same same thing. They're interchangeable. But, you know, there's a lot of new stuff coming in podcasting that, you know, it's not. It hasn't

happened in years. You know, and Blueberry, the company I work for, is the the leader in, podcast host adopting these these different tags, as they call them, or feature. We call them features, so they're kind of invisible to the user. But you can add chapters. You can add, you know, album art. You can have chapters where the album art changes every subject. I don't do that. It's a lot

of work, but you can do that. We got a more robust location tag, which, you know, shows up in certain apps that, that put that in. And it's all up to the app developers what they put into their app. Fountain, Podverse, you know, pod podcast guru. There's a whole bunch of them. Like I said, go over to podcast apps dot com. And, you know, there's there's all these new modern podcast apps that, and some legacy apps

in there too. You know, like podcast addict for Android, has adopted a lot of the tags, and they've been around way longer than the the two point o project. Of course, Apple did the transcript, and, they did one other tag for verification called the text tag. So they they're, you know, embracing the namespace somewhat. You know, they're not, they're not all in on it. What's the other one? I'm trying to think of the name. It's another

popular podcast app. Jeez. I forgot. Someone that's owned by Automatic, which is the people behind WordPress, and, it's a popular one. Marco from boy, I'm just drawing blanks today. I don't know why. But, I've been using Cast o Matic as well as Fountain. What is Marco's? You I'm sure you heard of it if you're on Apple. I don't know. It's not showing up on my phone here. Oh, well, I'll think of it later, maybe. Overcast. There

we go. Overcast. And, he hasn't yet adopted any of the tags, but he's close, I think. I hope. Everybody's bugging him about it, and he doesn't really like people telling him what to do. So who knows? But, yeah. It's, it's quite the quite the project. And, you know, if you're a podcast listener, as you obviously are, or or a podcast creator, go check out podcast index dot org and all the stuff they got going on over

there. One of the really, really cool things about a lot of these podcast apps, these new ones, is Podping. And what that is is okay. So on Apple, if I publish this episode, say, four o'clock, it might not be an Apple for five to twenty four hours. But if you're on Fountain or Podverse or Cast o Matic or any of those, they use the index, and they use Podpeng. So within two minutes, you know, I would say, you know, it's sometimes even faster than

that. Your listing will update. You know, if you're a podcaster or if you're a listener, you know, as soon as as soon as I publish this, you'll have it available in fountain, really, really, really quick. And, you know, of course, with my publishing schedule such as it is, quick is probably not too important. But, you know, it, it's just one of the other features that, really makes makes this, you know, enhance the listener experience and even

the podcasters experience. So, very cool. Well, enough about podcasting since I got rid of, my podcast related show other than, Insider. Know, I don't get to talk about this stuff all that much. So, yeah, that's what I'm doing. Also, in the last episode, I talked about dumbing down smartphones and, you know, the death scroll and, you know, people are just tied

to their phones. They go out to dinner and, you know, there's there'll be two people sitting at the table, and they're both on their damn phones instead of interacting with each other. So, you know, I also talked about the light phone, and I thought that might be a cool way to have some smartphone features without, without all the distractions. Well, come to find out, one of my friends slash listeners, Zach had an old light phone with a cracked screen, but it still worked just

fine. And, the cracked screen doesn't even bother me. And, anyway, he he gave me his light phone to play with. So I got a light phone two here, and, I got a secondary number, because I'm not ready to take the plunge completely. And, yeah, it's, it's exactly what it's supposed to be. In fact, it's kinda weird. I'll I'll I'll have the thing sitting here on the desk, and I'll open it up again. You know, open it

up and, like, oh, okay. Nothing's happening. Well, of course, nothing's happening because I'm not letting it happen. I don't want it to happen. If somebody calls me on it, it rings. I answer it. Someone texts me, it pings, and I look at the text, and I can text back. It does voice to text. It's but that's really all it does. It also has podcasting on it. I don't know how they do it, but, that works really good. You have to subscribe to the shows

on, on the web interface. And you log in to your Light Phone account, and you can subscribe to shows. And they sync to the phone, and it even does Bluetooth to the car. So, you know, you can have that. It also has navigation and a couple other things, but it's very rudimentary. But there's no web browser. There's no email. There's no, you know, Facebook app or Twitter app or x app, whatever. It's none of that. So, you know, you can't just play on the

phone unless you're texting somebody or talking. There's nothing to play with. And I I think if more people got on that program, I think we'd be a lot happier. You know, this sitting there death scrolling Facebook or, x or Instagram or whatever. This thing doesn't even have a phone or a camera on it. It's it's just a smarter dumb phone. The only thing I have to say that I don't particularly care, for is the screen is just a little too small for me to comfortably read, and I haven't found a way

to blow up the text. And there may be a way to do that. But if the text was just a couple sizes bigger, it it would be more practical for me. You know? Old guy thing. Or maybe I need to get my, cheaters a little stronger. We'll see. I get an eye appointment, I think, Monday or something. So, may maybe that's it. I just need to adjust my glasses a little bit. But, I I really like the thing. It's teeny tiny. It's, it's a

quarter the size of my iPhone. And, you know, it's easy to carry around in your pocket. You don't have to you know, it's it's it's just it's cool. So I've I've been playing around by, you know, I set my iPhone to forward phone phone calls to this, this other discreet number. And they carry that and leave, and it doesn't track you.

There's there is a GPS, but it doesn't, you know, track all your movements like, you know, iPhone and Google and and, Facebook and everybody else you've given location privileges to, tracks where you've been and where you're going and and all that stuff and pops ads up on it for it, you know, and certain apps. And and this thing just doesn't do that. It's a phone, and it can text. And what's really cool is it does voice to text because I hate typing on those

little screens, screen keyboards. But it has a screen keyboard, and it's usable. But, yeah. So far, I like it. I'm debating. They cut they have the Light Phone three coming out, which does have a a couple other features. It actually has a a camera on it, but it's essentially the same sort of thing. I think it's a little bigger. I don't know. I have to look at a comparison. But, Yeah. It's, it's so far so good. I I I really like it, and it

does exactly what it's supposed to do. And that's, that's part of the the charm of it. You know, a dumb flip phone is fine for just talking on the phone, but it's hard to text on because you gotta do the t nine texting and, and it's not good. And most of the flip phones, I think there is a modern flip phone that, that actually does have, voice to text. I think I could live with a with a, a flip phone too if I had voice to text. You know, texting is just a a way of the way of life

these days, it seems. So it's good to have that capability. But, again, you know, it's something like if you go to a restaurant and you get your light phone, there's nothing to look at unless you're getting a lot of text. But, there's just nothing to look at. So you have to be with the people you're with, and and I really like that. So, we'll see when the light phone three comes out whether I, take the plunge and do that. But, so far I'm liking

it. You know, there is a couple of disadvantages in not carrying your your smartphone around. But I think what I might do is I'll carry the light phone and the iPad. So, you know, the iPad, you're not gonna sit at the at the, dinner table and use your iPad because it's too big. But having it with me, then if I absolutely need to look something up on the web or whatever, you know, have the iPad nearby. I'm not gonna carry it, but I'll put it in the car. You know, so that

that might be the solution. I don't know. I'm not quite ready to take the plunge, you know, putting my main number on on the light phone, but, as a secondary. And then I can easily forward my I can't forward text messages, though. I wish I wish I had that capability, but iPhones do not have that capability that I know of. So, anyway, that that's that's my report on the, on the dumbed down phone thing. Like I said, I'm really thinking about the, the light phone three when it comes out. It's it's

kinda expensive, though. Like, five hundred bucks. But, again, you know, do you pay for an iPhone? I I think I paid twelve hundred for the one I got, and, you know, they're not getting any cheaper either. So, anyway, let's see other things. Really having a lot of fun flying the RV twelve IS over at Giving Wings Aviation here in Traverse City.

It's a sport plane. Looks kinda like a little fighter jet if you ask me, but, it only weighs thirteen hundred and twenty pounds maximum and, about thirty foot wingspan, low wing, bubble canopy, stick controlled rather than a yoke. There's no steering wheel looking thing. It's just a stick like a fighter jet. Got a single throttle because it's because it's, fuel injected, so you don't have to deal with mixture. You don't have to deal with with carb

heat or anything like that. It just, put the power where you need it and fly the airplane. It is a little bit high-tech in that, the avionics on it are, you know, like a couple of iPads glued to the the layer shield or the dashboard, I guess, you'd call it. And, you know, GPS in the middle and the radios in the middle and whatnot. It's got full autopilot. It it's really a sophisticated little airplane. But, you know, the the cool thing about it is,

you know, they're cheap to run. They only burn about three or four gallons an hour, which is half what a Cessna one seventy two would burn. But, of course, one seventy two is twice the weight and and, not significantly bigger as far as wingspan and length. But, yeah. So that's been a lot of fun. I've been, been flying there, for now about a year, and enjoying it a lot. It's, it's it's a fun airplane to fly. It's, definitely, something that would be nice to

own, but they're a little expensive. Not terrible, but, you know, they're brand new airplanes. They're not, fifty year old Cessnas and and all that, which, like I said, there's this charm to these old airplanes. I I'm really thinking about building an airplane, but I don't think it'll be an RV twelve. Although they are available in a kit, but that's a lot of work and and a lot of money.

I think, the cheapest you can get a RV twelve, you know, all the kits and the engine and everything still close to a hundred thousand dollars or somewhere in there. And you can buy them factory built for probably a hundred and fifty thousand, but it's a lot more fun than a Ferrari for the same price. So, you know, I don't think I'm in that ballpark. But I am thinking about building an airplane, probably a Colb or a Challenger or a GT four hundred or

five hundred. I forget the manufacturer of that one, but they're ultralight kind of looking airplanes, but they're more substantial. They're sport light sport and, usually have about a sixty to a hundred horsepower engine. Build time on them is significantly less than an all metal airplane. So they're fabric covered and, the Kolb has folding wings, which should be handy because I could build the thing in the garage and and, you know, put it on a trailer and haul it to the airport to fly it

and then fold the wings out. And then when I'm done, fold the wings up, put it back in the trailer, and haul it home. I wouldn't have to pay for a hangar. But then again, you know, I'm sure that becomes a pain in the butt, but, neat little airplanes, that that Colb, the I think it's the Firestar model. It's a two seater and and, you know, flies about seventy five miles an hour and, you know, stalls at some ridiculously low amount of, of speed. So, you know, how much trouble can you

get in, at forty miles an hour? You know? And, the one downside of that is you gotta be a lot more cognizant of the wind conditions. You know, with the RV, I can have up to eleven knots of crosswind component, and, that's the the the the quote, unquote limit. I'm sure it would do more than that. But, you know, for for, sanity's sake, you you know, you don't wanna go when it's gusty winds in the wrong direction and all that. But, like I said, I'm sure it could handle it, and I'm

sure I could probably handle it. I don't know. I've done an eleven knot crosswind in it, and no problem. So probably go a little higher. But, you know, a Cessna one seventy two is fifteen knots crosswind. It's the, demonstrated max, although I'm sure it would do more too. You know, I've flown the one seventy two and, compared to the RV twelve, the one seventy two is a truck, and the RV twelve is, like a Miata. About the same size, interior space and, and handles

really, really good. You know, you don't have to move the stick a hell of a lot to get a a lot of movement out of it. And, that can be good or bad depending on your training. But, you know, I've flown it enough now. I got about sixty hours in it and, you know, it's pretty natural now. If I got back in a Cessna, I I don't know what I would do. But good stuff. Like I said, continuing the flying hobby here and and, gotta get some, some more flight time in.

The weather hasn't been conducive to my schedule. Every time I have time, either the airplanes are busy. Got a couple of them over there giving wings. And, either the airplanes are are booked when, my schedule allows it or when they are available and I'm available. Some the weather's not right. You know, low clouds or too much wind or, you know, some some other thing. So in the last couple of weeks, I've kinda struck out a lot. I've had several flights scheduled and then canceled.

But, this weekend, I I plan on flying a bit, and the weather looks like it's, conducive. And, and, there's at least one airplane available, maybe two. So, yeah, it'll be fun. Go and I'll have a link to the RV twelve and, giving links in the show notes over at mike dell dot com. And, yeah. So, yeah, that's my update. Again, I I always say this, but, sorry I take so long between episodes. But a lot of times, it's just a matter of, when I have time to podcast, I don't have anything

to say. Or if I have a lot to say, I don't have the time. And, you know, I I started, an I started this episode three ninety nine, probably a month ago. I was gonna do one, and, that's when the RODECaster messed up on me. I recorded the whole dang thing, and, and then I didn't have a good file. So now that I got this new gizmo, the, POD Mobile DSP, Hopefully, I won't have any technical glitches. So when I have time, I flip on the mic and go. So, anyway, again,

thanks for staying subscribed. Definitely, check out a new modern podcast app over at podcast apps dot com. And, of course, full show notes and, anything else I I've got going on, you'll find over at mike dell dot com.