Good morning, good evening, good afternoon, whatever the case may be. This is Mike Doll's, world number 3 91 for November 4th, 2023. Nap Pod Pomo 23. Okay, wow, that gets longer and longer each time. So today he just got off of a live stream slash podcast recording with Adam Curry, the pod father, and Dave Jones, the Pod Sage and Todd Cochran, the podcast, curmudgeon,
, I guess we'll name him that. Anyway, the four of us had a really good discussion on what was going on in the podcasting world and, and some other things with Podcast 2.0, which, if you're not familiar with it, go over to podcast index.org and check it out. Uh, it's aims to, uh, completely, uh, keep podcasting free and open rather than closed and, uh, and censored and, and all that other good stuff. You've heard me talk about that before.
But what I wanna talk to you about today is what podcast app are you listening to, to, uh, hear this show? And I really do wanna know, please shoot a quick email, [email protected]. Put app in the, in the, uh, subject line, and tell me what app or apps you use to listen to this show. I'm gonna guess that, uh, those of you who reply, it's gonna be a higher number of people not using the default app on their phone. And really with Android, there isn't a default app.
I guess Google Podcast for the time being is that, but, uh, I really do wanna know. So please, please, please, please, please, if you do nothing else, just, you know, just type app in the subject line and shoot me an email. Tell me what app you're using to listen. I can look at my stats and kinda tell too, but I wanna hear from you guys. So [email protected]. [email protected]. . Alright, so here, here's the deal. There's three different categories of podcasts,
listening apps. Well, four, let's, let's do four. Uh, and I'll categorize these, uh, by, in rank order worst to best. The worst is something like Pandora, iHeart, Spotify, uh, soon to be YouTube. And, you know, apps like that where they're not, that app is not focused on. Podcasting. Amazon's another one. There's nothing wrong. I don't care where you listen to be honest with you, but I think you're, you're getting a bad experience using those particular apps,
in my humble opinion, or maybe not so humble. Uh, the, the second tier apps, I would say, or second tier way of listening to podcasts is just on a webpage. Again, nothing wrong with that, I do it myself sometimes, but, uh, just listening on a webpage, uh, on your computer or even your phone, you don't see that as much, but you know, somebody listening on the desktop, what if you're sitting there? And that's probably a good way to go. And then there's the, what I call legacy apps.
And I don't count Spotify as a legacy app because they're really a music app, but the legacy apps like Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, until they close it, uh, overcast to a certain extent, although I love our overcast. Marco, please, please do some, uh, new stuff. But anyway, , I do love Overcast, and a lot of you guys use that one, but that's a legacy app. It doesn't have any of the new podcast 2.0 features in it yet. It does have a lot of other cool features like the, uh, smart playlist.
But again, that's what I consider a, a, an, an app that's, you know, further down. It's the, it's second tier or legacy app, something that, uh, you know, it's, it's okay, nothing wrong with it. And I guess a sub subsection of that is, uh, of the web version of it is PW type apps. Uh, and, and I believe that that's probably the way a lot of apps are gonna go. So, but, uh, the top tier apps in my world now, uh, is the Podcasting 2.0 compliant apps. And there is a, just a literal crap tone of
apps on this page. New podcast apps.com, and then if you filter it to just apps, it'll show you all the different listening apps. And that's what I'm getting at. So, pod fans, that one's a, uh, PWA slash web based player. They're, they're really good and they have the most features of any of the apps. Uh, one that I just discovered today that, you know, I didn't know they had an iOS version, but they do have an Android version and they do now have an iOS version.
So I, I'm using Podcast Guru. I'm, I just downloaded it. I, I played with the settings and it, it can do what I wanna do other than the smart playlists that I love and overcast, but I think I found a way around that with tags. But, uh, there's one called Peer Tube Pod verse. I've, I use Pod Verse a lot as well, fountain, I also use Pod Friend. That one is a whole bunch of things. It's, uh, apps, native apps, and APWA and a web interface.
Ellen Beats a podcast addict, which is kind of a legacy app, but they've, they've, uh, upped their game and now have a lot of the podcast 2.0 features in it. Uh, if so, if you're on an Android phone, uh, PO Look Up podcast addict. If you don't like, uh, pod verse Fountain or Guru, uh, split Kit, I guess that's a, I don't know, that might be a, a listening app, but there's a whole bunch of 'em. Just, you know,
flip through some of these and give it a try. You know, try it on my show or try it on, uh, you know, some of the other Na Pod Pomo shows, uh, the, it's powered by the Podcast Index. That's where they get their, uh, podcast from instead of from Apple. And, you know, there's nothing particularly wrong with Apple. I, I do actually enjoy their app as well. I don't use it a lot, only because, you know, I use it for work related stuff because, you know,
I, I have to know how it works. But, uh, you know, it's a legacy app. Uh, you know, podcasting's been around 19 years. It's not a new concept anymore. And the next generation of podcast apps are found over at, uh, podcast apps.com. So, anyway, I, I, I really, really, really would love you to try one of those apps and, uh, you know, sign up for an Albee wallet for, uh, Bitcoin, you know, cost you 30 bucks to throw a, you know, a few Satoshis in there,
and then you can, you know, reward the people you'll listen to. Uh, it's, it's really a cool way to do it. Uh, what do I do with Saturn? Oh, I, I must have closed it otherwise you'd hear, uh, boosts coming in, uh, from my appearance on, uh, on podcasting 2.0 show . But anyway, it's, it's just something that I, I, I want everybody to look at and, you know, decide. Do you want to be beholden to these big tech companies that are really just out there to sell your data and, you know,
throw ads at you? You know, no, there's nothing particularly wrong with ads either. You know, some podcasts, that's how they, uh, keep the lights on and, you know, you should support them as well. But this value for value thing, I think is going to be really good for us, independent podcasters. And maybe, uh, if you listen to that show, we did, uh, a, a really good. Idea came up for the advertising piece. So that should be fun.
But yeah, I just wanted to de debrief, decompress from my appearance on that show and, and, uh, say, Hey, try a new podcast app today or tomorrow, over the weekend, whatever. I'll be back tomorrow. Everybody. Have a good weekend.