In this episode, Mik Kersten is joined by Gene Kim—author of The Phoenix Project and The Unicorn Project —for a deep dive into Vibe Coding , his upcoming book co-authored with Steve Yegge. Gene shares how learning to “vibe code”—where the developer supervises AI-generated code instead of writing it line by line—transformed his own productivity and reignited his passion for coding. The conversation unpacks how AI-assisted development drives an unprecedented 10x increase in productivity—and why mo...
Jul 02, 2025•1 hr 4 min•Season 1Ep. 62
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Patrick Dubois. Often referred to as the Godfather of DevOps, Patrick shares his insights on the evolving landscape of DevOps and its intersection with generative AI. He discusses how the principles of DevOps are being applied to the rapidly changing world of AI, emphasizing the importance of testing, automation, and team structures in this new era. Patrick reflects on the lessons learned from past technology transformations and how they can inform cur...
Jan 07, 2025•57 min•Ep. 61
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are industry luminaries Dr. Suzette Johnson and Robin Yeman. Suzette and Robin explore the integration of lean, agile, and digital methodologies into the increasingly complex realm of cyber-physical systems. They share compelling insights from their recently published book, "Industrial DevOps: Build Better Systems Faster." Suzette and Robin also stress the importance of integrating agile practices beyond software into hardware and the broader cyber-physic...
Oct 15, 2024•52 min•Season 60Ep. 60
Martin Harryson & Megha Sinha Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are Martin Harryson & Megha Sinha from McKinsey & Company. With a focus on their research which quantified the benefits of shifting from project to product models, Martin and Megha share insights on how these transformations can significantly enhance profitability and efficiency. As technology advances, the integration and upskilling necessary for these models are more critical than ever. Listen as Mik, Martin, an...
Sep 16, 2024•58 min•Season 59Ep. 59
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Dr. Steve Mayner, a revered expert and coach in digital leadership, organizational change strategy, continuous learning culture, agile contracts, and SAFe practices within government contexts. Mik and Dr. Steve Mayner discuss the nuances of transformative leadership and its pivotal role in driving successful business agility and digital transformation efforts. They also examine the evolution and future of Lean-Agile practices tailored for the fast-evol...
Aug 06, 2024•1 hr 9 min•Ep. 58
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology luminary Gene Kim. Gene Kim is an esteemed author and technology thought leader with over two decades of experience studying high-performing technology organizations. Mik and Gene look into the groundbreaking insights from Gene's latest book, "Wiring the Winning Organization," co-authored with Dr. Steven Spear. They navigate the pressing need for new organizational frameworks that bridge the gaps left by traditional models like Lean, Agile, ...
Jul 02, 2024•56 min•Season 1Ep. 57
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Scott Densmore, VP of Engineering at GitHub, to discuss the future of connected work and the impact of GitHub Copilot on developer productivity. GitHub Copilot is an AI-powered tool that provides code completion and suggestions to developers, allowing them to write code faster and more efficiently. Scott shares the history of GitHub Copilot and how it has evolved to become a game-changer in the world of software development. He also talks about develop...
Dec 14, 2023•52 min•Ep. 56
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Professor Mohan Sawhney, Associate Dean of Digital Innovation and a Clinical Professor of Marketing at Northwestern University. Sawhney discusses the evolution and importance of product management as a discipline. He emphasizes the need for formal training and frameworks in product management and highlights the role of product managers as mini CEOs and customer advocates. Sawhney also explores the challenges and opportunities in implementing product ...
Oct 19, 2023•52 min•Ep. 55
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Pallab Chatterjee, a visionary entrepreneur and technology expert. Pallab is currently the chairman of 3Lines VC, a boutique VC firm specializing in investments in AI-focused companies in the US and India. Pallab shares his journey from running a research lab at Texas Instruments to becoming the CEO of IT Technologies and Symphony Retail AI. Mik and Pallab discuss the TI-84 and TI-86 calculators, which Pallab helped bring to market, and how they revolu...
Aug 08, 2023•57 min•Ep. 54
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology visionary George Kadifa to discuss generative AI and its potential impact on the tech industry. George discusses how generative AI has changed the conversation with machines, allowing them to generate new content, code, images, and videos in a multi-modal fashion. This development is expected to be even bigger than all the previous tech transformations combined. George Kadifa has a long history of predicting tech trends and capitalizing on t...
Jun 07, 2023•54 min•Ep. 53
In this episode of Mik + One, we’re flipping the script! Debbie Konrad, an early Value Stream Management advocate, interviews Mik. The two discuss a new report, the 2023 Project to Product State of the Industry Report, that analyzed anonymized data from 2022 of 3600+ software delivery teams representing over 38,000 business product owners and engineers combined with 326 targeted survey respondents in 34 of the world’s leading enterprises. It revealed that five years into the shift from project t...
Mar 21, 2023•54 min•Ep. 52
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Carol Houle, Senior Vice President and Global Head of Financial Services and Insurance at Atos. With over two decades of experience in building and renovating businesses seeking to focus on strategic digital transformations, Carol shares success stories and challenging lessons she has learned in her professional journey. Carol and Mik talk about the complexities of agile transformation, and the role that education can play in optimizing value streams. ...
Jan 24, 2023•42 min•Ep. 51
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Mark Fields, Senior Advisor to TPG Capital, a member of Planview's board of directors, and former CEO of Ford Motor Company. Mark has presided over three decades of strategic and digital transformations at global businesses and shares how he consistently succeeded with a focus on product. He discusses the value of possessing agility, a unified vision, and a rallying cry as a business to create a product that delivers more value and potentially diverts ...
Dec 20, 2022•48 min•Ep. 50
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Brendan Hopper, is the CIO for technology at Commonwealth Bank Group. He is responsible for ensuring the bank has a world leading IT engineering capability and is making the right technology investments and decisions. Brendan shares what drives his passion for driving innovation and flow at organizations and why technology should become an accelerator, not a disruptor for organizations and their customers. In this episode, Mik and Brendan also discuss ...
Nov 22, 2022•50 min•Season 1Ep. 49
Joining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is Steve Berez, advisory partner at Bain & Company and co-author of Doing Agile Right, Transformation Without Chaos. In this episode, Mik and Steve discuss: Insights into Steve’s 30+ year journey developing Bain’s technology practice Real examples of implementing agile practices and how to do it right How to get buy-in from Finance teams and demonstrate the value of a capacity-based mindset Strategies organizations can take to realize Agile benefits m...
Aug 30, 2022•49 min•Season 1Ep. 48
In this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Razat Gaurav, Chief Executive Officer at Planview. In this episode, Mik and Razat discuss the trillion-dollar opportunity ahead to rebuild the future of how the enterprise works. Topics include: How new market realities will impact the way we think about transformations Designing foundational capabilities with resiliency in mind to maximize flow and unlock value Deep dive into the three “waves” that optimize software value streams The fundamental na...
Jul 19, 2022•58 min•Season 1Ep. 47
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Sejal Amin, current Chief Product and Technology Officer for Khoros, where she leads global product development teams to build great experiences for customers. In this episode, Mik and Sejal discuss a wide range of topics around continuous improvement, team health, organizational design, and flow. Key discussions include: Lessons Sejal learned from making the shift from project to product and barriers to overcome when making that shift The importance o...
Jun 17, 2022•56 min•Season 2Ep. 46
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Geordie Henderson, General Manager of AWS Messaging and Streaming at Amazon Web Services, and previously the VP of Engineering at Hootsuite. In this episode, Mik and Geordie share insights into organizational design and innovation to build, integrate and lead successful software organizations, as well as other key topics including: An overview of Geordie’s experience in scaling high-performing teams at Amazon Web Services and Hootsuite, and advice to l...
Apr 05, 2022•51 min•Season 1Ep. 44
In this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Darrell Fernandes, Head of Product Technology at TIAA, a Fortune 100 financial services organization that is the leading provider of financial services in the academic, research, medical, cultural and governmental fields. In this episode, Mik and Darrell discuss themes around driving organizational improvement and customer value, as well as other topics including: The five key accountabilities that all IT product managers should consider when thinki...
Mar 15, 2022•56 min•Season 1Ep. 43
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Manuel Pais, co-author of Team Topologies: Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast Flow . In this episode, Mik and Manuel discuss some of the key themes in Team Topologies , as well as other topics including: Manuel's learnings and key tips on how to effectively manage team collaboration in the shift to remote-first and hybrid working The relationship between the ideas behind the Flow Framework and Team Topologies Advice on how to set up valu...
Feb 22, 2022•50 min•Season 1Ep. 42
To kick off the first episode of 2022, Mik is joined by two guests from Bank of New Zealand: Paul Littlefair, Chief Technology Officer, and BMK Lakshminarayanan, Value Stream Architect. In this episode, Mik, Paul and BMK delve into how Bank of New Zealand has been applying the shift from Project to Product and Flow Metrics, and other key topics including: Insight into how Bank of New Zealand’s transformation journey started, and the goals they first set out to achieve The importance of investing...
Feb 01, 2022•59 min•Season 1Ep. 41
We're taking a break for the holidays, but Dr. Mik Kersten, Tasktop Founder & CEO, and best-selling author of 'Project to Product', has left a short message to thank all of you for tuning in over the last year. We'll be back with new episodes in 2022, however in the meantime, keep in touch by joining the Flow Framework Slack Community. Built on communal learning, trust and professional development, this community provides a safe space to connect with business and technology leaders seeking t...
Dec 21, 2021•3 min
We’re delighted to welcome back Leffingwell, Co-founder and Chief Methodologist at Scaled Agile. Dean is an entrepreneur and software development methodologist best known for creating SAFe®, the most widely used framework for business Agility. In this episode, Mik and Dean focus on practices and behaviors of high-performing teams, digging into their own experiences on what makes teams thrive. Additional topics include: Dean’s learnings on what he has seen with large transformations using SAFe In...
Dec 07, 2021•50 min•Season 1Ep. 40
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Sally Elatta, CEO and Founder of AgilityHealth and Agile Videos. In this episode, Mik and Sally discuss the importance of using business agility and measurement as critical ways in driving innovation, as well as other key topics such as: Sally’s business agility journey and her learnings from over the years Insight into some of the biggest surprises from AgilityHealth’s study on metrics and measurements The success patterns of creating a roadmap for im...
Nov 23, 2021•47 min•Season 1Ep. 39
In this episode, Mik is joined by Dave Snowden, CSO & Founder of Cognitive Edge and Director of the Cynefin Center. In this episode, Mik and Dave talk about the development of Cynefin, a framework for decision making, and other key topics including: The Cynefin framework and some of the existing methodologies and techniques that have been developed Examples of things that have gone in the wrong direction as a result of not understanding some of the first principles The best practices for tec...
Nov 09, 2021•1 hr 5 min•Season 1Ep. 38
We're back! And what an episode we have to kick things off. Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Felipe Castro, renowned author, speaker and trainer on objectives and key results (OKRs). In this episode, Mik and Felipe talk about how Felipe helps organizations transform how they use goals by adopting OKRs, and other key topics such as: How Felipe became an early adopter of OKRs Common mistakes organizations use when leveraging OKRs Why unlearning is the solution to change the ways of work...
Oct 26, 2021•1 hr 2 min•Season 1Ep. 37
In this special episode of Mik + One, Mik summarizes some of his favorite episodes from the last 18 months and provides insight into some of his key takeaways including: Interesting insights on scaling Agile and helping digital transformation succeed The importance of equity, diversity and inclusion on value streams The pivotal role of leadership’s responsibility on improving daily work Flow Metrics and OKRs as a match made in heaven How balancing portfolios to managing risk and debt can be a ke...
Jul 20, 2021•49 min•Season 1Ep. 36
In this episode, Mik is joined by Christian Idiodi, Partner at Silicon Valley Product Group. Mik and Christian talk about how to establish product management disciplines and other key topics including: Fascinating insights into how Christian got into product management, how he landed within Silicon Valley Product Group and insights about his own career Establishing product management disciplines at multiple levels of the organization and why it is an important catalyst to successful transformati...
Jun 29, 2021•52 min•Season 1Ep. 35
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Courtney Kissler, Chief Technology Officer at online retailer, Zulily. In this episode, Mik and Courtney talk about Courtney's experience in driving technological transformations and cover many key topics such as: Courtney’s journey within DevOps and how her experience leading transformations at large enterprises including Nordstrom, Starbucks and Nike led her to Zulily The importance of fixed capacity and creating a generative culture where team membe...
Jun 15, 2021•48 min•Season 1Ep. 34
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Scott Prugh, Chief Technology Officer at CSG. In this episode, Mik and Scott talk about Scott’s experience and learnings from within the DevOps community, as well as many other key topics including: The three domains in DevOps portfolio management and how to think about them independently, as well as how they reinforce each other Flow Load and Work in Progress (WIP) and how organizations end up with a mismatch between capacity and the work that’s booke...
Jun 01, 2021•49 min•Season 1Ep. 33
