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BONUS EPISODE - Twilight Zone '85 - The Shadow Man

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Greetings Midnight Viewers. Father Malone here. And I’d like to welcome you to a special bonus series. We’ve been slugging it out in the horror anthology trenches for years now and felt as though the chaff sometimes overwhelms the bloody wheat in our discussions. To that end, we’ve decided to throw a spotlight on some of the more superlative segments from the various and disparate series.

The Shadow Man
Twilight Zone '85
Aired Nov 29, 1985
Written by Rockne S. O'Bannon
Directed by Joe Dante
Starring Jonathan Ward

Joining Midnight Viewing to discuss this episode is author Rockne S. O'Bannon (Farscape, Alien Nation, Evil)

Transcript

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at weirdingwaymedia dot com. Greetings midnight viewers, fall them alone here and I'd like to welcome you to a special bonus series. We've been slugging it out in the horror anthology trenches for years now and felt as though the chaff sometimes overwhelms the bloody wheat. In our discussions. To that end, we've decided to throw a spotlight on some of the more superlative segments from the various and disparate series. These aren't arranged in any kind of merit based system nor chronological

That would be way too organized. Instead, I'm starting the series with my personal favorite episode of The Twilight Zone nineteen eighty five, that was the first remake or reboot of Ron Serling's classic from the Golden Age of Television. From that iteration, a veritable dream team of creatives was assembled Wes Craven, Harlan Ellison, William Friedkin, Peter Meadack, George R. R. Martin Ray, Bradberry, and on and on. They managed to pay fealty to the

original while carving out a new corner of the zone for themselves. The most junior member of the writing staff was a fellow by the name of Rockney S O'Bannon. I was writing, as all you know beginning writers do. I was writing back everything. I was writing back features. I've spent writing back

episodes of other TV shows that were on at the time. And there was a show that was on the ABTT a couple of years before the new twilets On Kimbalong called dark Room, and it was like it was like night Gallery story but with more twilight, so like stories, and so I wrote a word play and then another like short half hour pizza for that. It actually managed to get the scripts into the producers of the show and they very complimentary, but they said, you know, we were The show has already been

canceled. Oak and they like to tell writing classes. The great thing about spec material is it it never dissolved, you know it, you know though, it survives on your on your on your hard drive. So I just held out of these little half hour scripts that really would have no value otherwise, and then lo and behold, along came. A couple years later, along came both Twilight Zone and Amazing Stories, which was the Spielberg version of

kind of a twilight Zone. And was able to submit submit the scripts to both of them and got very good response to the scripts We're playing particular from both shows. But then Twilet Zone had me in uh right away and put Men's staff, which was donning to me because I would have been thrilled to work on any any crappy universal hour. So so word Player was the first day I went in. And yeah, I was a huge fan of Harlan

Ellison before learning, and he was going to work on the show. And he wrote to which I have brained a little paragraph before he ever met me, a little paragraph review of Wordplay. He was commenting on all the material that was coming in, incredibly generous and and and Harland was with nothing if not incredibly opinionated and a vocative, it fighting. So when he liked something, he really liked them. He really hates something, he really hates them.

So it was like I was I betefit it. I was on the on the on the positive side of that ledger. The fact that I had Parland being as kindly praiseworthy as he was was stunning to me. And Harland was great. He was was everybody on this staff. It was a very righter centric staff, and and I was the new kid, and you could not be greener than I would. So I think everything a lot of we're very patient with me and generous with me, and and Harland very much among

them. To the fabulous introduction to the business and the Harlem alog with Phil Deegher and Al Bretta. To Jim Crocker, who had the other made up the rest of the staff that first season perch half of the first eave them. It was a fabulous entree in the into the bid. Debuting in September of nineteen eighty five, this new Twilight Zone broke from its predecessor in presentation.

Unlike the originals half hour, this was an hour long show and afforded its creators the freedom to battle those dread commercial breaks that have always been the bane of dramatic television, one could conceivably tell an entire tale between the commercials, and, like Ron Serling's other foray into televised anthology, Night Gallery, this format allowed several tales to be told in one sitting, which required an inordinate amount of material. Not only that it had to be good worthy of

the original. That script that Harlan Ellison had praised so effusively and ultimately landed mister Oben in the job at Twilight Zone wordplay and is as every bit as incredible as advertised, and as such it will form the basis of a future

episode of this series. Obannon would contribute half a dozen outstanding stories for this new twilight Zone, and in my humble opinion, was the one writer on the show who not only understood that this was a new twilight Zone, but in script after astounding and precient script, he managed to actually deliver a show

that felt both contemporary and out of time. Any one of those stories could top a Best of twilight Zone eighty five list or horror anthology list in general, But the one that I tout above all the others, the one that hit me where I lived, and made me understand the shock and power of the Twilight Zone in a way I imagine a teen in nineteen sixty two had felt. When to Serve Man turned out to be the title of a cookbook. This story aired on November twenty ninth, nineteen eighty five, titled simply

The Shadow Man. When you're thirteen years old, you're supposed to be beyond those childhood fears of things that go bump in the night. Supposed to be. But for Danny Hayes, those fears are about to rear up before him from the shadows of the twilight'son. Danny Hayes is scared not only of the casual perils of daily life, but taking a stab at any of the awkward

steps through adolescents. But it's worse than that. Danny's fears still dwell in the shadowed corners of childhood, where the closets hired monsters, And that tamping at the window isn't a brand. Your father and I could understand this behavior when you were younger, but you are thirteen years old. Now you're a young man, and you should not have to sleep with all of these lights

and the TV and the radio ant, but mom no butt. Danny Hayes is scared and everyone knows it, which does nothing to help the social standing of the class brain that regularly blows the bell curve through his adherence to extra credit. Not the best position to attract the attention of Leanna, the girl he pines for, though it does set him in the sights of her boyfriend Eric. That was great day. You know. There was some question for a while, but you man, but not anymore. Your reputation is still

intact. You are still the biggest chicken in Willow Creek. I'm not chicken. I just not chicken. What do you call running like that? Leaving poor Leanna the woman you love? Good chicken, Bye bye bye. But Danny won't be scared for much longer. That night, a figure clad all in black emerges from beneath his bed, the shack old man, and I will never harm the person news why True to its otherworldly word, Danny remains unharmed that evening. The same can't be said for a young couple that were

attacked, landing them in the hospital. While the New Twilight Zone would be a playground for emerging artists, it also employed some cinema veterans, and in the case of the Shadow Man, a Twilight Zone veteran. Joe Dante in nineteen eighty five was white hot from the success of Gremlin's That was his third solo feature. He had co directed Hollywood Boulevard with Alan Arkish back in seventy six for Roger Corman's New World Pictures, but it was his collaboration in nineteen

eighty three that showcased his wildly inventive visual style and humor. Dante remade It's a Good Life for Twilight Zone, the movie. In an interview, he discussed his time on twilight Zone eighty five. I'd already done an episode of Amazing Stories too, which made the new Twilight Zone look like Poverty Road. The eighty Zone revamp was a different animal entirely from the Serling original, which was economically produced but benefited from the availability of the MGM backlot and studio gloss.

The new series was shot very quickly at the former Republic Studios lot in Studio City, which only had a tiny backlot. Producer Phil de Guerre was notorious for post production tampering, and this was one of the first TV series edited on videotape. This allowed for much editorial mischief, as evidenced by director Gil Kate's complained that his Paladin of the Last Hour episode was botched by de guerre in cocaine fueled editing, and when televised, was officially credited to the

fictitious DGA non de plume Alan Smithy. As I recall, Rockley's existing script was pretty much a take it or leave it proposition. I don't recall much effort to enlist the directors in choosing material, although I can't believe that Freed can just happen to end up with Nightcrawlers, which may be the best episode the series. Once you hand in a TV episode, your involvement is pretty

much over. I never met any of the music guys who are hired long before I was The music guys he mentioned or guy in this case was Merle Saunders. Fans of The Grateful Dead will recognize him as a frequent Jerry Garcia collaborator. Together they'd form Saunder's Garcia Band, which would become Legion of Mary, then reconstruction on his own. He released the world music classic Blues from

the Rainforest in nineteen ninety as such his work. Here is all dark menace, with tribal percussion closing in the corners of the frame while the haunted warble of a theremin plays. Do you believe Eddie Meyer said he's seen it personally? I wouldn't believe Eddie Myers if he said they're Sandy Dabat. I just wish they could. I admire me an escape rental patient here was one who escaped from Peterson's built six months ago. You figure he's been living in the

woods, eat squirrels and birds. Every night the shadow Man rises, and every night he assures Danny that he'll never harm the person under whose bed he lives. And every night the attacks continue. But things begin to change for Danny. The once petrified boy becomes the only one seemingly brave enough to break curfew and stroll alone along the empty streets of Willow Creek, a bit of status he lets immediately go to his head, and one that sets him on

a collision course with rival for Leanna's hand. Eric care come, okay, sure, yeah, I'll fight you, but not now. Tonight at nine o'clock, the guy for cart That's where the Maniacs has seen the most author Rockney s O'Bannon, a cab the Libray, remember where the idea came from. But again, we're trying as hard as we could generally to do to

a bending because that was what obviously til It's done with famous for. And it's a really tough thing to do because when the original twilet Zoon aired again, it's with that England short story were pretty commonplace, but certainly on television that kind of light wasn't expecting that it was wasn't that common. And to me, the general not even just twist endings, but a general good example of that is I have the Beholder in the original series, the one which

is entirely the entire other other than the one minute. The entire thing is predicated on us not seeing any of the characters, and the fact that you could do that and it wouldn't givoil the ending, I think to me, was a tribute to the fact that audiences were far more experience in terms of being set up for a surprise. But here we come whatever twenty plus years later, and people watched the old Twilight Zones and they were obviously steeped in

that kind of twist ending. So the much harder to hide it, et cetera. We were always trying to come up with when we could ending it shows with the twist ending and Shuttleman with my like boxing my version into the ring of it. And Joe was like, the perfect is the absolutely perfect

choice for him. Obviously he'd done Gremlin shortly before the very high director really dug the script, and yeah, the intent was just to make it as absolutely scary as possible, and then to the degree that we speeded, have it, have it a twist at the end. It's in the silence on world parlance, it's called a bit bit story, meaning a biter throughout most of the story. Dugley, he gets a bit at the end points is on his own guitard if he will. But yeah, it was that.

And but again, Joe so such a such a really good filmmaker and so totally understood what it what it needed that he was able to create. It was all on camera, obviously, the Shadowman, who looks two dimensional a lot of the time, very very oddly. Yeah, yeah, which is wonderful because it just makes you go, Okay, that's not he's not entirely human somehow, you know, all that sort of thing, and that's all cold filmmaking, and Joe was a huge, huge, important contributor to that.

Yeah, obviously when you talk about the twist, because we all got used to it from the original time I done. It's what I particularly liked about this episode is it didn't feel like there was going to be a twit, and I think that's rare well ordinarily, when you see an episode that's going to be predicated on which you feel it from the opening frame, and that's what I admired about this episode rewatching it. It doesn't feel like we're

going there at all. Dude. That was one thing that I learned from the show, and it was innate, I guess and what I was doing up until then because wordplay does the same thing but it but working on the show, it crystalized it for me, which is that you can have a I have the world's shortest attention span. Would but that's the back of the middle and trained directed, but I do. I really have a critically short

attention span. So things that are all set up just waiting for the twitt ending are very prostrating to me. I just okay, okay again and I get to set up just what's going to be the twitt. What I learned from the TWI that's an experience was try to make the story itself, with the situation as with it as compelling, and give it escalation as much as possible so that the story itself is compelling. Don't just rest on the laurel that you know you could have a twist ending in shadow Man, for example,

it's exactly what you're talking about it. So I think there's there's a real escalation to his discovery of the shadow Man and how he starts to use him. Then how is standing with the other kid changes, and the inflation with the community's reaction to the fact that is going on. All that sort of thing is all taked into it, so that you know, you make a very good point which I never realized. It also helps to disguise the twist as well. Yeah, that to me is why shadow Man with interesting,

compelling whatever leading up to the twist. As you since you've said that's why, the reason why who look, who's here? Oh my god, Jenny run any come on? Is something the matter? Hey it's me. Don't you recognize me? Hey? You said you never heard me the shadow Man, and I will never hardle a person under news bed and I live well well, but I am a shadow man from under someone else's bed.

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