I don't know if I've ever been happier than at an LCD sound System show, especially like a festival show at the back where there's like room you can kind of like flail around.
Welcome to Midnight Chats, a podcast of laid back conversations with leading names in music. In keeping with these informal interviews, each new one is published weekly at midnight. This week's episode is hosted by me Greg Cochrane from Loud and Choirt magazine Tonight. My guest on the podcast is Lucy Dacus for my Money, one of the best American songwriters
to break through in the past few years. If you're not familiar, Lucy released her debut album No Burden when she was just twenty one years old back in twenty sixteen. Two years later, she followed that up with Historian, and now she's on the eve of releasing her third album, Home Video, coming to a record store or streaming service near you on the twenty fifth of June twenty twenty one.
She'll also be familiar to lots of listeners as being one third of Boy Genius, the trio Lucy is part of along with Phoebe Bridges and Julienne Baker, I do ask about whether there's going to be more music from them in the podcast. In April, I dialed up Lucy for the conversation you are about to hear, the first time i'd spoken to her since we met around three
years ago. That was around the release of Historian. There was a lot to get into, not least the roller coaster experience of pandemic lockdown, the day dreams that we've all had around getting back to seeing our favorite artists play live soon hopefully. Plus we talk about embarrassing home videos of us as kids, since that's what the new album is called. And we discussed the merits or otherwise of a bunch of old TV shows and movies, including the terrible script in in One Tree Hill and the
weird CGI Baby in the US Twilight Saga. This was a really fun one to record, So let's get into the chat. This is episode one hundred and six at Midnight Chat with Lucy Dakers. You are actually the last of the Boy Genius trio to come on our podcast. But I think we've saved the best to last, haven't we. I think we definitely no.
No, no, there's no best among us. But you've completed the trifecta.
Yeah, it's lovely to have you on because we have met once before in real life when meeting up in real life was still a thing. Yeah. Yeah, it was in London a few years ago in the reveloptive release of your album Historian, and I really enjoyed the time we spent together because we were hanging out down by the canal in East London and we were chatting all things
to come. But also we suppose we were talking about that you had quite a difficult year in twenty seventeen, because that was what that album, you know, some of the ands of that record. So I just wanted to ask and kind of hope that I hope twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, so after we last met, I hope those were good years. Right, We've got on to twenty twenty in a minute, But yeah, how was twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen with an improvement?
It's funny because I feel like catching up with friends after the pandemic, It's going to be a similar question like, oh, yeah, how was your twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, like summing up all these years, But twenty eighteen was really good, and twenty nineteen was bad. Oh, to be honest. Twenty eighteen though, yeah, like Historian came out, we were touring a lot. What genius happened? Twenty nineteen, we were still
touring a lot, had a couple of tough tours. I had a vocal injury right that really was terrible and hopefully I've overcome or figured out how to manage now. But yeah, and I just had some personal life stuff that was really dramatic, some family health kind of things. And yeah, obviously twenty twenty is like a black hole of a year where it's like, you know, even now, it's like quarantine isn't really over. It still feels like twenty twenty to me. But I'm optimistic about twenty twenty one.
I like the idea of everyone kind of just going hogwild and their personal life, like everyone's like ready to make the changes that should happen. Like it's going to be chaotic, I'm pretty sure, but like I'm optimistic that it's going to be chaos pointed towards like a better life.
Do you think everybody's kind of been storing up this improvement energy because we like it's like we've gone through this big pause where there's been a chance to sort of reflect, Maybe people have thought about the things that they they don't need in their lives, or or the improvements they can make, the things that make them happier.
And therefore, as things open up maybe I'm sounding really optimistic here as well, but as things kind of reopen that there's almost this sort of your moment, like a new you kind of type thing. Do you do you think there's that's true you surrounded by that energy or are you more like British cynicism of like it's going to be even worse than before.
Oh, I do think it's going to be better than before,
but I think you you have to. My hope is that instead of like all of us that have lived through this, being like more fearful because of it, like all of us extremely grateful and just like approaching life realizing how much we've missed and being like, oh, I love restaurants or like, and I appreciate service workers, and I realize how essential food is, and I appreciate farmers, and like, I realize how much my friends mean to me, and so I'm gonna visit them in person, and like,
I don't know, I do feel like maybe I'm just saying that because that's how I'm reacting. I'm just like realizing everything that I need to be actively grateful for like way more often. And I think, like being cut off from embodiment, I've been saying this word a lot, and it sounds like one of those words that you learn in yoga and or therapy, but like, I don't know, I've I've had friends that have lost like family members to COVID into other things through this year, and they
haven't been able to embody their grief. And I mean there's a reason why for ages, and like in every culture, we've figured out ceremonies for those sorts of things. So being cut off from ceremony and embodiment, it just shows like how important that type of process is. And so like embodying that grief and also embodying joy are like on my top of to do list, And I'm not going to be content with like conceptual things as much.
I think. I think I'm really going to try to be like seeking out the physicality of life.
What mixture of sort of cathartic energy do you think will come out from some of the first shows you'll either play or witness then after that, because what you've just described is this sort of like this release of emotions that and experiences that people have gone through, and the music is an amazing, amazing medium for sort of channeling that, escaping that sharing that, whatever it might be.
So I just I've just got this picture of a of a big crowd and everybody's just having their sort of own post pandemic moment with whatever the experiences they've just gone through. Can you sort of foresee that.
I will be so surprised if I don't cry like every night, and I will be so surprised if it's not just tears and tears and tears. But I mean, I'm still crossing my fingers and knocking on wood that shows can happen in general. Just we announced a tour and it felt unreal. It felt like just a weird dream. But I don't know. Again, I feel kind of optimistic that they'll actually happen, but we're going to cancel them
so fast if we don't feel safe. And I would never want to put like fans in danger or give the option to fans to put themselves in danger. I mean, I'm going to be crying when I go to shows, and like my friends that are having shows like imagining just like singing along to them, like I don't know, I I'll get emotional just like thinking about Yeah.
Absolutely, I think yeah. I think we all feel the same. We've all been sort of dreaming of like our first first post lockdown restaurant visit, or our first post lockdown gig or meet up or whatever. If if you had to be sort of in a room watching a musician play, like who would basically be your dream first gig? Back?
Do you think El City sound System?
Wow, you've gone for the heavy vibes. That's like on a good day, that's like ghost.
I know, yeah, I uh, you know. I hadn't thought about that, but you asked the question and I knew the answer just because like I've I don't know if I've ever been happier at a show than at an LCD sound System show, especially like a festival show at the back where there's like room and you can kind of like flail around. I feel like some of my best memories have been I've seen them three times, and all three times I felt like high. I felt like just serotonin overload.
There was about I don't know what the tool I mean. I'm sort of reaching back into a bit of hazy memory here, But when they were on tour once they come back together, maybe it was about five years ago. When they first came back and started playing those festival shows,
the set list was just unreal. I just remember staring at it like afterwards, like having experienced it and just being as like I was a completely on the same page with you, like feeling completely just high on what I just witnessed and just like just looking at it and just going that was like the most perfectly like programmed DJ set, but from one artist it was like it was like this is just perfection. It was amazing.
Yeah, you feel lucky or I feel lucky togongolose shows.
Yeah, let's all hope we can get back and witness that. Have an LCD sound system moment in the not too distant future, What happened? When? Where did you go when when everything lockdown? And what did you have to do to kind of in that in that moment?
Well, I had been living in Richmond, Virginia, and then like two months before lockdown, I moved to Philly and I had never lived anywhere else, and I just wanted to see if I could, and I planned on splitting time because I like to be around my family in Richmond.
But then lockdown happened and I stayed in Philly, and it kind of forced me to have like a separation from Richmond that I didn't even intend and was honestly pretty painful and gave me a little bit of an identity crisis, which is probably good for me to to realize how much of my identity was wrapped up in my hometown. And I kind of like fast tracked my actual goal of like kind of figuring out who I am unconnected to a place, or just like knowing that it was possible to build a new life, and it
was really rewarding. And I love Philly and I'm still there. I didn't like really tell anybody that I moved for a really long time, and nobody was really asking to
hang out because you couldn't hang out anyways. But yeah, I live with like seven friends in Philly and like a big house, and it made quarantine look much easier just having like people milling about all the time, or like even within seven people, you can have subgroups of three and you know, the we all have our separate rooms, so you can be like, oh, I haven't seen you in a while, you know, since yesterday dinner time, and we we've been watching like crap TV and good tea
and movies and cooking, and so my scenario was really lucky. Also, I feel close enough to everyone that we can just talk about having depression. I think maybe all of us have depression and have been able to be like a support system for each other. And it's absurd, like how much delayed grief. I've already talked about grief in this podcast.
I should get off that topic, but you know, it's it's meaningful to be around people through grief, and like some days we're worse for one of us than others, and just having other people connected to their lives can remind me to connect back to mine when I'm like dissociating. So yeah, I don't know kind of a long answer to your question, but I I think I've enjoyed it.
I think it's really interesting that people have effectively had to I don't know if this is even an expression, but like having like COVID families, like we all went into quarantine, into lockdown, depending on what circumstance people were in that moment. I mean, you know, you potentially didn't know these people like that, well if you'd moved there a couple of months before, like it was still in early stages. But it was like, Okay, this situation is happening.
We all got a kind of band together because we're going to have to get through this. Like I mean maybe perhaps in years and years to come that you'll reflect on that and she'd be like, wow, that was quite an extraordinary moment of seven people who were thrown together for this period and I mean hopefully he'll still be friends long into the future. But and that happened the world over, but people being you know, depending on what circumstance they're in, and it's yeah, quite quite fascinating,
almost some kind of social experiment. I'm glad that you all found the situation was positive for you because obviously, you know, yeah, it wasn't for everybody.
So you found each other. Yeah, we call each other cousins.
Oh okay.
I feel like when you're with a group of people for a long enough amount of time, you just have like weird, like twice big jokes names for each other and we're like, yeah, we're close enough now that we're just actually cousins. It's so stupid saying it out loud at all.
I was going to ask you about some of your TV watching stuff, because I'd seen something that you tweeted a while back saying that you presume this was something you did with your house, your your roommates, and that was that you did pilot season where you watched all the pilot episodes of nine different series and then ranked them in order to decide which new series you were
going to watch together. Yell, what on reflection, which shows were as good as you thought they were, and which which ones were like, oh this is this is much worse than I remember. And what was the eventual winner.
There were a couple of top runners, and they were Desperate Housewives, which is what we actually chose. It's totally unhinged Friday Night Lights, which was really good. I like, you know, I don't watch football. I think that, like the football and industry is kind of evil, and you know, I think sports are cool, but yeah, I'm not not into football and American football aws it were. I actually love soccer slash football, but yeah, it's just super well made.
The pilot was so engaging and like well shot, and the script was really good. It seemed like the acting was really good. We're definitely gonna watch that probably next. We were all interested in the OC, even though who knows how much of that show has aged well. One of the shows that was so bad was One Tree Hill. I don't know if you ever watched that.
Show, but one like it. This is a similar area.
Yeah, if you fed the entire script of the OC into like a like AI generator and wanted a different show, it like spits out One Tree Hill and you have to like squint to try to understand what's going on, and maybe post the pilot it made more sense, but minutes would pass and I'd be like, wait, nobody said anything that made sense. All it is is like people glaring at each other, and like these different tropes popping up like it. It just didn't. It was of no
interest to any of us. And then there were some like middle ground ones like Buffy Vampire Slayer I love and have already seen, but it honestly looks so tacky now, like it like all of the costuming and the delivery, it's like really campy, and I love campy stuff. But the whole house wasn't wasn't a wasn't into it. What else there was some Oh, we watched Vampire Diaries. That
was we'd watched all of the Twilight movies. Quarantine and that was a tripod hilarious trip The third movie, like Breaking Down Part one, is one of the most ridiculous movies I've ever seen. Like we were just like gouffawing the whole time. There's like the scene where Kristen Stewart's like has to drink blood. She's like sipping it out of like a milkshake container and she's like it tastes good. We really go, oh my god. And they had like the baby that she has is cgi like why didn't
they get a regular baby? Like they could have simply gotten an actual baby like every other movie. There wasn't anything special about that baby. The baby didn't do anything like magical, it didn't like it made no sense. Also the fact that like Jacob the werewolf imprints on the baby, like that's just like untouchably weird. Like that's like, don't put that in front of me. But it was fun.
In a couple of years, I'd probably do it. Again, I'd probably watch all of them because it's like it's so committed to what it's doing, you know, And I think that's part of the magic of trash TV is that it only comes across because everyone is so invested in making it happen, even if the idea at its core is stupid.
Yeah, because Twilight was like a cultural phenomenon, wasn't it. I Mean I just remember people being obsessed with one of those sort of movie well obviously the books in the movie franchise where people would be like sleeping out on the street the night before it came out in the cinemas and stuff like that. I can't really remember the last time that happened apart from that, Like the Hunger Games. Was that similar sort of level of fandom, I don't know, but.
Like, yeah, we also watched that. It Actually it's even better, I think. But it's a little confusing because I think that it's like a confirmation bias type of movie, where like if you go in hating the government, you come out hating the government, and if you go in loving
the government, you come out loving the government. Like you can read into the Resistance as like, you know, being anti imperialist or anti colonial or you know, against classism, or you can go in being like hating neoliberal reign or like thinking that the movie is like the logical conclusion of neoliberal politics, which honestly isn't super off base. But I don't know if it. I couldn't tell what
the lesson was supposed to be. And I feel like maybe it was intentionally made to please anybody, because it's a it's so political, and yet there's not a clear distinction.
That's interesting, like kind of just like a mirror to your own existing beliefs. Yeah, I wanted to ask a little bit of obviously the new album home video, I wanted to ask in a very kind of yeah, I suppose in a very kind of literal sense talking about kind of home video and just like that as a thing like home videos and like growing up and that in respect to our childhoods and like nostalgic memories and
things like that. There's basically one video of me when I was really little, which is which is a classic like VHS home video filmed by my uncle one Christmas. It's just me and my brother singing Christmas carols really badly. The whole thing lasts about about nine minutes. It's been shown every single Christmas for more than thirty years now, and it's the one item that my mum would save from a if the house was burning down. That's the thing that my mum would go for, this VHS tape.
But wow, and it's thoroughly embarrassing, and my mum's shown it to a lot of different people and she's very proud of it. But yeah, I wondered if you've got lots of is there like lots of crackly kind of like footage of you when you when you were little, that anything that you always gets that that comes back to.
There are hours and hours and hours of videos of me because my parents got their video camera when I was born, and so you know, they're learning how to use the camera and I'm their subject. You know, Like there's videos of me just sleeping and they're like zooming in, focusing, zooming out, Lucy sleeping and they say exactly. They'll be like, yeah, she's sleeping, She's still sleeping, And if I move a little bit, they're like, what's she doing. There's tons of
videos like that. We use some of them for the music video for Hot and heavy that came out just because that source material, which I to try and put it into perspective physically, Like I think if you lined up all of the videos, it would maybe be like thirty feet of videos. Like it's so many, and you know,
like it tapered off towards the end. It went from like the big vhs is to like the smaller ones like camcorder and then you know, smartphones towards my high school age, so we don't have any more on the actual VHS. I was going to say, you should digitize that video of you because when you play them, they tape degrades over time, so it can you know.
Just we need to eventually, yeah, digitize it, make sure it doesn't get lost, because yeah, my mum would be heartbroken, but I would be delight on the On the flip side, I was absolutely thrilled. If it was just consigned to history's dustbin.
Oh my gosh. Maybe you just don't you just don't deal with that. But I like using that stuff because it feels like a thank you to my my dad for making all those videos. And you know, I guess he was making them so that they could be watched in the future. But but I don't know if he really realized that he was like building my childhood for me.
You know, like sometimes I don't know if I have actual memories or I've just seen the videos of them, and I don't really care either way because it happened. I really value rich memories, and I think that he does too. I also realize, like I think that he used it as a way to participate in the world.
Like he's kind of like a socially anxious guy, and you know, having that camera in front of his face, he could like watch and engage with everything, but through this like creative element, and I resonate with that, like I understand the world most when I'm translating it into work. And he's a graphic designer, so he doesn't do music, though he always wanted to. I feel like we have a lot of similarities, and I'm also glad that he
raised me with a comfort for nostalgia. I feel like some people I know don't have any sort of photos or memories because their parents just like weren't nostalgic people, which isn't good or bad, but I think nostalgia's underrated. I think that like people kind of think that it might be corny or like don't think it has a purpose, or it keeps people stuck in the past, But I don't know, the past is really important and like history is all we have to learn from.
And is there one clip in particular that you that you just all love watching like that? Do you know the one that you come back to you just got that one at Christmas or like a or Thanksgiving or something like just a moment where you're like, oh, that that's a good one. That one always makes a smile.
I really love the ones of my brother because there's actually less. But he was far more photogenic than me, and he was always trying to perform for people, whereas my my parents were always trying to get me to perform. But he was just a ham but of myself. When I was like four or five, I made my dad like set up the camera to do Lucy's Cowgirl show. And it was like me in a red cowgirl hat and like tassels with like a lasso, and I'm just sitting like in our living room telling jokes and they
don't make any sense. It's like I'm trying to figure out what humor is in the process of making this stand up routine where I'm like, why did the cow cross the road? My Dad's like why, and I'm like, because there was hey on the other side.
I love it, and I just like fall about laughing, Like there's nothing better than saying, like a child just like laughing at their own joke, even if it doesn't make any sense. He's like, I mean, I want to be bought.
It's so it's it is really cute and just it's funny. How like I I knew. I didn't realize that I was trying to learn, but I like knew that through this camera I could kind of like have a place
to play with this information. Or like there was a time when I it snowed a lot in Virginia and there were all these icicles on our front porch and I did like Lucy's Icicle Show where I like laid them out, and I was like being a news reporter, like I was using a microphone and I was trying to figure out basically what journalism is, I guess, and I was like this icicle I would just like say facts that weren't true about the different icicles. I don't know.
I'm glad my dad had like patients for that. Like, I don't know, I think I would find it cute, But to like do that for like four hours with my kid, I think that I would get bored. Maybe I'm I'm just not as pure as him.
That that one sounds pretty and that sounds pretty like surreally brilliant as well, but almost like kind of investigative journalism, you know, with the origins of these icicles. Maybe we'll interview We'll go out and interview other icicles about this.
You know. I wanted to ask you about a few of the different tracks on the record, and we started the podcast by mentioning boy genius, and you managed to manage to get into the studio right with Phoebe and with Julian to record a couple of tracks on the album. So they contribute to Going, Going Gong and Please Stay. What was that experience? It was that pre pandemic thing. When when did that happen?
Yeah, that was in twenty eight, no, no, no, twenty nineteen. We recorded most of the album twenty nineteen. Actually we finished recording around the same time as Phoebe did, but our records coming out like a full year later. So the day that we recorded on Please Stay in, Going going on, and Julian sing a little on Triple Dog there as well. Was the same day that we did Graceland two for Phoebe's record in favor for Julian's record.
And well, that's a productive day, isn't it.
I know we also did I know the end for Phoebe's record. Yeah, I that's just kind of how we roll. I think that we like get that energy of like we're together, we have to let's do this, like, uh make it happen. There's like this very fast paced, generative energy. So yeah, very productive day. We haven't seen each other since then.
I was going to say, yeah, if you managed to I mean apart from virtually you like speak to each other, I guess you've not managed to be It's sad that you haven't been together in person in eighteen months or whatever it's been.
Yeah, we we FaceTime like pretty regularly, I think, compared to how much I talk to people, kind of a lot. And also like how busy Phoebe and Julian have been. It's and I'm about to get really busy with this album release, but we make time for each other.
Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like when you get together, like making a Boy Genius record is quite a swift process, like judging judging by the amount that you got done in that session.
M hmm. I mean the the EP we wrote and recorded in five days total. So but yeah, they're they're good guys good.
Would you like to do some more stuff as Boy Genius in the future.
Yeah, I think so. I don't know if we will or when we will, And I think a lot of people expect it or not expected, but like would like that to happen. But it's nice that like none of us actually feel pressure to do that because the EP was kind of an accident, and I think that part of why it went so well, as people could tell that it just happened naturally and we were having fun and it's because we wanted to. It wasn't like a
somebody in a boardroom idea. In fact, when we finished the thing, everyone freaked out and we're like, what, like do we have time for this? Like how do it? Like we were kind of like maybe we threw them for a loop Matador for putting out the record, But I really look forward to like all of us touring
and me, I said Elsie the sound System earlier. But I honestly think that the shows that are gonna like wreck me the most are singing Phoebe and Julian and just being able to like scream at them like from a crowd is gonna feel really good.
Yeah, there's a lovely, really sort of natural moment and that I love that you've left in on the record. Is that the track ends and then this you can hear you sort of speaking to each other about the take that you've just done, and then is that somebody buzzes in from the stud the control room being that is that the right take? And it's just lovely that you kept that in because I think it's just shows the warmth of your relationship with each other.
Yeah, and that was a big group actually, like a bunch of singers that I love, like Liza Ann is there, and my friend Ali Thibodeau who's been my friend for like fifteen years, and Mitzki was there. My friend Hadley
Dom who plays bass with me, was there. I think it was maybe like fifteen people doing that group vocal all like shoulder to shoulder, and then the guitarist also in the same room, Harrison from Phoebe's band, Jacob from my band, and my friend Keeleen Creech, and then me, Like it was really all of us in one room with like maybe three mics just kind of like placed around. I think that's my favorite song on the record right now, just because it's like a time capsule of what was
possible at that time. Like, I feel so grateful that we got that done in twenty nineteen. Yeah, it's it is precious to me.
Yeah, you will be on like Google Meet trying to do that at the moment. We're gonna be quite the same with it. No, I want to ask about Thumbs as well, which is a song on the record that's sort of notorious in its own way because it's it's you know, you performed it live for a couple of years before you actually committed it to tape and then released it, and it's so much so like gained so much interest amongst fans that it had its own Twitter account.
Ask him that when you were going to release it. I loved that it was in the forward for the album, which is written by Katherine Lacey. It's described as a white whale, which is an expression I've never heard before. What a white Whale. Is that just something that means that it's like elusive, it's out there, and I think it's.
A reference to Herman Melville Moby Dick, right, and like his whole point of the book is like fine the white whale. And it's funny because people think it's a metaphor for like killing God or like something. But I think that Herman Melville said that it's just about a white whale, but it's like his whole purpose to go kill this whale, not like people's whole purposes to go
kill thumbs. But I like it was out there for a really long time, just from playing it live, and I asked for people not to record it and they didn't, which I feel very respected that that was how it was.
I can't like find it really online. I knew I needed to play it for a while just because it is a heavy probably the heaviest song that I've written, and it really mattered to me, and it really matters to my friend that it's about, and I just wanted to be respectful of her and yeah, like not break down on stage like maybe some people come to shows to see the band mess up or like there's that tension of like, oh, you could mess up at any time, but I don't know, you got to carry on in
a show, and like, I've cried singing that song, but it's gotten a little easier. Yeah, I'm proud of that one.
We talked when we met before. We talked a lot about your journaling and how that had been a really helpful activity for you throughout the years of noting down your thoughts of things that happening at the time and how years down the line it helped you decipher some memories and experiences and versions of yourself. Is that habit that you've continued on the last few years.
A little bit less regimented? Like when I was in high school, I journaled about every single day, Like even if I was journaling once a week, I would go back the past seven days and say what I ate and what I wore, and how I felt and who did what. So I've allowed myself to skip some things.
But I was journaling last night. And actually at the beginning of Quarantine, I started typing up my journals from the very beginning, from like age seven, and I got to around one hundred thousand words and then took a pause, and that was only four of thirteen journals, so they take up a full shelf. Yeah, they take up a full shelf at my house. And instead of I'd only ever slipped around because I wanted to save actually rereading them for later in life, which I guess is now.
I think realizing like I'm fully an adult, like I'm out of childhood, so going back and reading about my childhood feels like it's the right time to reflect. But yeah, I think I stopped because it I met in my ex that I don't really like in my journals, and it's like, oh no, this is gonna be horrible. But I will continue typing up those eventually.
The final thing I was going to ask you was a bit about, I suppose the overlap between historian and home video, because we talked a lot about previously when we met. We talked a lot about journaling, and we talked a lot about books, and we talked a lot about chronicling and history and how writing an album, writing a set of songs that then compiled together as an album is a bit like putting a book together in terms of like chapters and separate stories and things like that.
So in terms of the overlap between Historian and home Video. It's the same author, obviously you being the author. Are these the same characters but different stories? Are these different characters introduced? What like in that framing of what's going on there?
This definitely felt the most like a book, like a book of short stories. And I would like to be able to hide behind fiction and say like, oh, yeah, I just made all this stuff up, but it's all true, and it's all about people from my life and my past, and every song kind of has to do with somebody specific except for Hot and Heavy. I thought I was writing about it about one friend, but I kind of realized it was about me kind of halfway through writing it.
But yeah, it feels way more personal, Like I feel like Historian, I was thinking conceptually about his story and recordkeeping and kind of like generally about loss, and like I, you know, there are songs about my grandma and about certain friends. But I think I was still writing knowing that other people would listen, so I didn't want it
to be as personal. But yeah, these songs feel different in a way that I hope is good and like people can still relate to them even though they're hyper specific.
Thank you so much for coming on the podcast, Lucy, and yeah, thank you. I wish you good luck. Yeah, lovely to speak to you. I hope that you do manage to get out on the road later this year. And I also hope that that you managed to finish Desperate Housewives with your roommates and then move on to the OC and Vampire Diaries and One Tree Hill at the Bottom of the Pile and yeah, yeah, we'll come to you for some TV tips next time.
Cool. Yeah, watch Survivor. That's my tip.
Okay, good.
There's forty seasons, so if you really want to waste your time, it'll never end. If you hate that feeling of finishing a show, you will maybe never finish Survivors. So there you go.
To find previous episodes of Midnight Chats, simply search your podcast app. Don't forget to hit follow or subscribe to keep up as they're published every week at midnight. For more information on the music magazine that makes this series, visit Loud and Quiet dot com.