Welcome to episode 389 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast recorded live on November 19, 2024. This is a show about Microsoft 365 and Azure from the perspective of IT pros and end users, where we discuss the topic or recent news and how it relates to you. It's time to finally bring an episode recorded live from Microsoft Ignite, the first in person Microsoft Ignite Scott and Ben have attended since 2019.
In this episode, we have the goal of presenting our insights on the Microsoft Ignite keynote, but ended up focused just on the copilot announcements keynote. And we'll have more Ignite episodes coming out soon with more great announcements and our thoughts about them from the Microsoft Ignite keynote. We'll maybe even drop in a bonus episode or 2 over the next few weeks. So, enjoy the show. So here we are Scott, sitting in the hotel, in Chicago. Is it So is this day 1 of
Ignite or day 2 of Ignite? Technically, it's the pre day day 1 and this is day 2? This is the pre day late. Day 1 of Ignite. We have we have we have the keynote. We we sat. We saw. We survived. I think we should talk through the keynote a little bit and some of the announcements. We should. It was a long keynote. It was an interesting keynote this year. 2 and a half hours. I don't know your thoughts. I would say if somebody wants to go back and watch it, so we can post
the link. I'm pretty sure the keynote will be publicly available somewhere either I don't know if it'll make it on YouTube or if it'll just be on the Microsoft website. It will be. We will find it. Yeah. We will find it, but I would say you can watch, like, the first hour and 15 minutes. Like, Satya Nadella got up an hour and 15 minutes, went through a bunch of the stuff we'll talk about post links to. I would say the second hour and 15 minutes, maybe not something you need to watch as closely.
It ended up with some repeat in it. It was a little bit of I would say it was an odd keynote this year with the way the first half and the second half went. I think you're right. Like, if you're gonna go back and watch it and you haven't watched it, watch the Satcha section about an hour, hour 15. You will get all the highlights that you need. And if you want deep dives, there's
deep dives on all of that. The remainder of the keynote is kind of the the repeat section where it's potentially deeper dives on some of the announcements around, like, Copilot and 3 65, same thing with Azure. But, you know, you probably want deeper dives on those anyway, so easier to go find them elsewhere. Yeah. Copilot. You mean there was Copilot in the keynote? Yeah. I mean That caught me totally off guard.
I'm gonna steal a Scott Hanselman here. The the Copilots will keep on coming until morale improves. It's it's kind of where we're at with Copilot. So it's it's a marketing term, but I do think that some of the capabilities there are super interesting. So we were kinda going around after the keynote and asking people on their thoughts and and and just kinda how things compose in their head. And, yeah, there's a lot of fatigue about Copilot and AI, but there's excitement about certain
workloads. And I think what are starting to be some of the canonical use cases for both large language models and being able to do some of the things that they're good at, like a transformer is good at summarization. So let's take Teams premium licensing and the ability to record a transcript in your Teams calls and then have AI driven summaries out of that. I think we've talked about in the past, I'm completely addicted
to those AI summaries. Oh, 100%. I just turn those on for every single meeting that I'm in. And you know what? They they work really good, and they're great. And today, they announced that they're gonna have some, computer vision and reasoning capabilities on top of the transcription, capabilities that are already there and and kind
of summarization. So one of the things that's gonna come out of that in calendar year 2025 for Microsoft Teams is the ability for that AI engine to follow along with what's being shared on the screen. So say you're sharing a presentation, and that presentation has I don't know. You're you're running down the sales figures for the year and it has the final charts for the sales figures and things like that.
You'll actually be able to go into Copilot, and you'll be able to ask it questions about that slide through Teams because Teams is basically taking screenshots the entire time, very similar to what's been announced with some other Windows capabilities like recall, and it's going to pump those right back for you. So, you know, it's gonna happen in the background all automatically, and that's just a further augmentation of that summarization capability that's there in Teams.
Makes perfect sense logically. Right? It it slots right in, and I think that's a great use case. Like, not many people are gonna be creeped out by it because they've already been recorded by the transcription engine for the past, what, year? Right. Plus, like yep. However long that's been, and now you get this, like, nifty new capability. Hopefully, that nifty new capability is built into the existing licenses, and there's not a new SKU or something like that. But, you know, time will time will
tell on that one. So I so I think there's things like that, And, you know, Teams tends to be, like, my go to use case of this is just amazing, and it just works. And it's one of those, delightful things. There was a whole bunch around Copilot in general, especially in the embedded experiences across office clients. So that's things like Copilot Pages, the ability to do collaborative editing on Copilot responses.
I still don't know where Copilot Pages sit with me in comparison to things like, say, a loop that we both share, and maybe we both have Copilot components going in a loop component at the same time or a loop page at the same time. So we'll see where some of that stuff pans out. You know, Word is getting some new capabilities, so you'll be able to generate Word documents based on other documents and other artifacts. Like, just from scratch, generate me a new document.
That sounds kinda cool. You've got automated summaries in Word. I don't know how valuable those are. I don't know that I've ever opened one up in in a Word document that I've seen, but, you know, some people might like those. There's some niceties around PowerPoint with Gen AI, particularly for graphics, certainly being able to, like, generate slide contents, things like that. Excel is an interesting one. So Copilot for Excel has been there for a hot minute
already. You've been able to do things like ask it to generate formulas for you and and kind of walk down those paths. It's getting a little bit smarter in that it can actually do, some more base analysis for you. It wasn't clear to me whether it's, like, Excel is the tool to do that in, or do I take my Excel and maybe import it into Power BI and then use Copilot in Power BI? Because maybe I just wanna visualize
the whole thing. So I think, like, folks are gonna have to rationalize which way that goes, but that stuff was all there. There was an interesting quote from Satcha around Excel. He kinda leaned into spreadsheets make the world go round and especially Excel spreadsheets. It's amazing. Yeah. Continues to be a thing. But he had this quote. He said, it makes data analysis available to everyone with a spreadsheet,
and I think that's super powerful. Like, if you've ever opened a spreadsheet and tried to, say, create a pivot chart, and that pivot chart just, like, doesn't have the right dimensions, it doesn't have the right series, or you've gotta flip something around. Maybe you're creating, like, a time chart, and you need to flip an axis or a line chart, things like that. You're creating, like, a stack column chart. Working with charts in Excel is surprisingly hard, like, if you're not an if
you're not a chart expert. So things like that should help. It's really democratization of data because, you know, data is good, but I think we're seeing more and more, like, visualization and
visualization engines kinda tack onto that. So if you can drive that into Excel without a Power BI license or the need for Power BI or anything like that, which is frankly yet another tool you need to go learn, like, if you never need to learn DAX and all you need to learn is Excel formulas, and Copilot can help you with things like data analysis using using Python and Pandas libraries, like, why not? Right? Like, you're not gonna need to be,
an expert along the way. So I I think things like that kind of accrue to the greater good. They're not necessarily, like, whizbang features, but, they are there. Some of the more interesting stuff with Copilot, I don't know how you feel about this one. There there was a a quote about Copilot actions. And the way Satya described Copilot actions is this is Outlook rules for the age of AI.
So that's basically saying we're taking the ability to, you know, have automated engines like we do with our Outlook rules, but then pull those things into other parts of the Office suite, like Excel and Word and things like that. So, like, for a practical example, I send out a business report once a week. It takes me at least an hour to put that business report together. I need to go to multiple sources, log in to multiple websites. Sometimes it's,
like, taking a screenshot of a thing. Sometimes it's running a SQL query and just or it's going into, like, an Excel spreadsheet and clicking the refresh button. If I can have an AI do all that stuff for me, that just buys me back an hour, if it works. And even if it gets me 50% of the way there, it just bought me back at least 30 minutes a day. Like, that is a powerful thing, and it's a powerful accelerator. So I'm looking forward to
Copilot actions, TBD. Like, I think I gotta go sit in some sessions and see how that actually works. Like, is it computer vision? Is it gonna be able to click the buttons on the screen for you? Is it more you're dependent on an extension inside of Word or Excel? Like, I don't know how all that stuff's gonna come together and how it's gonna work. Continuing down the Copilot path, Copilot agents. So Copilot agents are out there today. They're available in both the Office chat experience.
So if you go to, like, Copilot for work, so office.com/chat, You have an agent experience there, and you also have an agent experience that's going to come to every SharePoint every SharePoint site automatically. Super interesting. So you you have this capability with Copilot agents to basically do a low code. And I mean, when I say low code, it's basically no code, but it's a next, next, next experience where you can fire up a custom agent.
You can point it at data that lives in a SharePoint site, and you that could be like a document library. It could be the entire SharePoint site itself, which is the way, like, SharePoint Copilot agents, seem like they're gonna be working. And you just spin that thing up, and you have this little custom agent that's using rag with your documents as grounding. So it's doing retrieval augmented generation.
So what that means is, like, the base model is there and say you have an e a Copilot agent that's pointed at, like, 2 SharePoint sites. You have, like, all your sales figures go in this SharePoint site over here, and then maybe you have some other SharePoint site for, like, your road map and upcoming features. You could potentially ask that thing now, like, tie a custom agent together that
blends the data from those two sites. And you might be able to do things like reason over it and say, show me, you know, which figure which things on my road map or which features were released most greatly accelerated sales. And, you know, maybe that's something you already track in your company, but I know there's a lot of companies that don't track things like that because it's hard to just blend that data and put it together. So that engine can sit in the middle and do those things
for you. Why why not? Like, that's that's exciting stuff. And to be brutally honest, like, I'm not a developer anymore, and I went around and and played around with the SharePoint agent. And it it can do everything from, like, tell you how to set the permissions on your SharePoint site to go look at these 3 documents without having to be in, like, Copilot chat. You can just say, like, go to this document library and tell me about this thing, and it'll spit that data back to you.
Same thing with this the generic Copilot agents. They're super easy to use. You ground them, like I said, in in data that resides in SharePoint today. Hopefully, they open that up and let you just ground it in SharePoint plus maybe public website or other things. Like, there's potential, like, who knows, copyright issues and other things there. But, you know, even just being in SharePoint, powerful stuff. So you can create, like, a custom agent. I created one the other day for
for some supportability stuff. So I took one of our products that we have and I pulled the wikis together, all the support wikis for it that we have, and I created a custom agent that I called, you know, like, my product help desk. And now I can go and ask that thing questions. So I can say, like, I have a user who had this issue, and it just crawls through the Wiki for me, and it finds that. So I don't need to know the specific article. It gives me the steps to resolve it right there.
You can ground those agents even further, so you can do things like have seeder prompts in them. So kinda like you have just the entire prompt engine inside of office or in inside of Copilot chat today. You know, you can seed it with your own custom prompts and all those things. And then you can take those agents, and you can share them with other people. So, like, my custom product agent, I was able to take that and share that with all the PMs on my team and say, hey. Here's
a new tool that we have. Right? And for me, the work wasn't in developing the Copilot agent. It wasn't in clicking next, next, next. It was more in, like, figuring out which data I wanted to pull into that thing. So that's all kinda, like, super powerful stuff. Right? Like, I I don't know that maybe the the Copilot stuff lands inside of the individual Office clients, maybe other than that stuff in Excel, which I I think is really good.
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We kinda make fun of Copilot and that it's all Copilot, but it does feel like Copilot this year was not so much, here's Copilot and coming out with a Microsoft competitor to the other AI engines out there. But more, here's all the different things we're doing in Copilot to to avoid whether it's extending it to data or just extending it to different use cases. It's more than just here's Copilot. It's here's how you can actually use Copilot to improve your work. And improve
what you're doing. Like you said, Copilot actions. There was some stuff around Copilot for Outlook that's interesting. There's a button already that lets you, like, respond to an email and schedule a meeting. But they also talked about more around using Copilot to be able to schedule 1 on ones or to
create agendas. And it would be interesting to, like, see if you could combine something like Copilot actions with some of the, Outlook stuff where you now have a regular prompt to go schedule 1 on ones and build an agenda based on the last week. And all of this is kinda automatically happening in Copilot behind the scenes. The other interesting one I saw going to the team stuff. Presentations, screen, capture, reasoning over that. But also the ability to reason over files shared
in chat. Yes. So if somebody throws a word document out there or I don't know if it would extend out to URLs yet. I didn't read enough about it. But now someone throws a word document out there, and you don't wanna necessarily open it and have to summarize it. You can actually ask Copilot in the meeting, give me the key points from this document that was just shared without ever opening it, and it'll spit back
that summarization of the word document. So maybe not summaries in word that are super intriguing, but that type of stuff where you can summarize the document shared in the chat without ever having to open it or look at it, I can see where that would be useful. I share a lot of links and documents and chats during the meeting, and that type of functionality that's coming, I'm really excited to start trying out and getting my hands on
and playing with. I think you're gonna start to see more, and they had a term for it, agentic types types of things coming. So, you know, you have things like Copilot agents, which are ultimately a a wrapper for Copilot Studio. So you could absolutely go into Copilot Studio and build one of these things, but that might not be, like, your jam or your jelly, and maybe you're Right. That next next Well, in Copilot Studio, there's certain licensing to build some of your own in Copilot Studio.
Right? Like, I know agents is different than if you're gonna go build a bunch of stuff in Copilot Studio. So it is a little bit different, and I I think one is, like, I tend to view, like, Copilot agents or at least the creation of, like, a custom Copilot agent Yep. To be, like, part of that m 365 stack. Right. And I look at things like Copilot Studio as more, like, the power grounded in the Azure stack and and and kind of that pillar
that sits over there. But, like, to be clear, like, the agentic capabilities are coming from Copilot studio. Like, it's not the Copilot agent front end. I had that. It's the back end with that thing. Yes. So now, like, when we talk about, like, agentic capabilities, that could be things like, you know, I think, eventually, that gets to the point where it can click buttons on your screen. It's not there today, but I think that's where
they go, especially That'll be interesting. Especially where, like, Claude has gone, like, with Sonic and and and Claude 35. Like, they announced, like, their new computer model a couple weeks ago. So I think that's where some of this stuff goes, and I don't know what that does to Power Automate or other tools that are out there today. But, you know, it's it's gonna come, but there's also Agenta capabilities in that you can string multiple things together.
So I don't have a good example of, like, a Copilot engine that does this, but I saw it in another session while I was here at Ignite, And that was around was around PowerToys. And PowerToys has a, capability that's being built into it that's gonna allow you to basically pump in, like, an open an open AI or a chat JPT API key, and then use that in the background to do,
agentic type things. So one of the things that's gonna be coming in PowerToys is the ability to, say, take a screenshot, and that screenshot could be in another language, and you can have it translate it for you. Like, hey. Translate this screenshot to text. And then the other way you could do is you could put text on your clipboard and like, in a foreign language. Yep. And you could say, translate this text and save it as a text document in my current folder. Right? Okay. That I'm working kind
of thing. Or you could string all those capabilities together, and you could just ask the AI. You could say, AI, take the screenshot, translate the screenshot, and save the text of that translated thing as a text file in my current folder. So the the agentic capability is really being able to tie all those things together in an autonomous way versus you having to do it as, like, a set of discrete steps. So is there power in doing it in
the discrete steps? Absolutely. I think of that I think that's the way a lot of folks are gonna approach it in the beginning. Yeah. But as this opens up and as the world of connectors and those capabilities kind of come come along, I think then it starts to get super interesting. Right? So, like, earlier, you know, we talked through the example of just being able to, like, maybe compare your sales numbers to released features or things like
that. What if you're on the marketing side and you have other stats that are out there in the marketing engine, and you just happen to be an Adobe marketing customer? Well, how do you get at that data? You know, I think that can be a little rough because sometimes you need an API or another things to talk to it. Well, there's also a bunch of, like, 3rd party agents. So now you can potentially string agents together because you can at mention agents in your prompts.
So you can say at this agent, do this, and then you guys can mention agent. I think you're eventually, you're gonna have the capability to just string all those things together. And then maybe you're building agents based on agents, and it starts to get really weird really fast. But, you know, arguably, there's some some good stuff in there. Yeah. I think the thing folks need to keep in mind is, like, it's still in, like, the very early days. Like, everybody is still in a land grab here.
Like I said, like, Claude, couple weeks ago, just announced the Agentech capabilities. Like, click a button on my screen and and do those kinds of things. I think, eventually, Open AI Open AI has signaled their intent to get there. You know, when Open AI gets there, Microsoft gets there, or Microsoft does it on its own. All these companies do. Mistral does it. Everybody's going to do it, and it's gonna open up this, like, kinda
new world of stuff. Right? Like, we don't necessarily know what people are going to do with it, and I think that's a little rough. And and and you can tell that by the positioning of some of the other things that were announced. So one of the funny ones to me, not funny but funny, like, weird, was how do we measure the ROI of Copilot and all the agents that we've built? Right? So you need you need you need analytics to do that.
So you would think analytics for Copilot would be like, which users in my organization are using Copilot? How often are they using it? What's the data that they're using it against? And that's one part of it, but that doesn't actually tell you the ROI of Copilot. That just tells you how much people are using it. It doesn't tell you, like, how good it
was. So one of the things with some of these things, like analytics, is it's very early days of analytics where they're doing things and and you you can see this, like you know, I was kind of paying attention while I was walking across the Xflow floor too. There's some companies that are also doing this analytics capability where they are presenting analytics in the form of, kind of like a a secure score kind of thing. Tell me how good I'm doing against other companies that are in my segment.
How much are they using AI? And then maybe you have a measure to say, like, oh, is that company growing? Is it slowing down? Is is it actually an accelerator in that business? We had dinner tonight, Scott. So I was getting phone calls and text messages about dinner here. Okay. So I was just making sure we're still doing okay. So one thing, you mentioned translations. I'm curious what your thought was on this one, since
you mentioned doing the whole translation thing. The Teams live translations of a different language on a call, and not only live translations where I could be presenting and it would be live translating into another language for other attendees on the Teams call, It would also make that live translation sound like it was actually That's an option. You don't have to You don't have to do that, but it was Wait with everybody.
Some people are like, that's just kinda creepy of it sounding like you in a different language. But that was another one where it's again, I think moving into practical application. Because I've been on calls before and, training and people have turned on captions. Because I'm teaching people over in APAC or over in Europe that English isn't necessarily their first language and they prefer to speak or read in their native language or it helps them to read it in English versus just hearing it.
But I think that would that's one that's really powerful. Whether it's global companies and some of the people I was talking to were in that same boat. They're like, you know when I'm regularly on calls with people from China or from Japan and they actually have to have translators on the call. That can slow communication down quite a bit and make it challenging.
Where I think this really has the potential to be nice for global companies, for training, to help that be delivered in people's native languages and help people communicate better on these Teams meetings? Once you get over the creep factor, it's an inclusivity thing. If, generally speaking, folks are more comfortable talking in their native language, unless they've been, like, multilingual, you know, from from early days kinds of things. So, you know, I I work for a global
company. Like, there are definitely times where I am on the phone with folks in America, Europe, India, and China at the same time. And it's a lot of accents, it's a lot of it's a lot of active listening, and active listening can be kind of tired. If I'm on a phone call at 10 PM my time because I wanted to talk to somebody in Shanghai and I've got somebody in Europe on the phone, well, 10 PM for me is, like, 4 AM for most of my European employees. They don't like being up that early.
You know, it's it's getting to be just weird times all around for for everybody on that call. So, you know, I think most folks just wanna go through that in a comfortable experience. I can totally see the value of that. Folks are hopefully get get over the creep factor. Like, I would very much look forward to it. I would rather have a native Mandarin speaker be speaking native Mandarin rather than trying to speak English sometimes Yes. Especially in the tech space or I think any
kind of acronym heavy thing. You could be in logistics. You could be in health care. You could be in finance. Like, there's so many just jobs out there that you get lost in the jumble of the the actual, like, language of the company, let alone human language and all the constructs and things that come along with it. So I think if it provides that measure of comfort and gets folks to where they need to be, I'd I'd be happy to do it. It's kinda comes down to how well
it works. Right? So so I worry about things like I I often speak in, like, riddles because I'll just use little quips or things like that. Or, like, we're we're in the South. Right? You and I live in Florida. People say y'all. Or all y'all. Or all y'all. Yeah. So how is that gonna translate into Mandarin or Japanese? I don't know. You know, TBD, how things like that goes. Or do I have to be more intentional as a speaker and kinda keep things grounded?
And maybe that's, like, it absolutely is something I should probably do. Right. Maybe that's a good thing, that it would force you to be a little bit more focused in what you said and not use those the slang that we tend to use or the weird catch phrases or different things like that of okay. Let's be intentional about what we're saying. So the translator works, which is probably something we should do anyways. It's all empowering stuff.
You know, the thing that struck me about the keynote today is it was very end user focused. I I think, you know, my meta comment on what I saw at the keynote and and really what I've seen at Ignite so far is the days of this being the IT Pro conference from Microsoft are well behind us. Right. Like, there's been this general sense that it's more a kind of marketing engine, at least, for the last couple of years. This year really, like, sealed it for me.
I think if you go out and look at the session catalog, there are, like, hundreds of sessions on Copilot this, AI this. There there's not really anything out there about how to manage
Exchange online. There's how to manage Exchange online with Copilot, but there's not the down in the weeds things about, oh, I wanted to build this custom experience using the Graph API, or I wanted to build this custom experience using Exchange Web Services, or I wanted to interact as an admin and, you know, do x, y, zed, whatever it happens to be. That that stuff just wasn't there. So it's all end user facing things. I do kinda wonder and worry kinda long term what
that means. Maybe that means AI is gonna replace all our jobs. So No. Maybe that's the thing. But it's it's interesting to see the direction it goes. There's a lot of I I genuinely think there's a lot of goodness there, but I don't know that it was, like, the goodness that I was looking for. I I kinda wanted to walk in and be wowed with a set of capabilities that would, like, help me accelerate as an IT pro. You know? And and those things are out
there. Right? Like, I I think AI shell is one of those things that was recently announced. There's a lot of goodness coming inside of Copilot for GitHub. You know, totally applicable to non developers as well. Like, it'll totally help you write a PowerShell script when you need it to. Some of the code capabilities that are coming to GitHub Copilot and Copilot in general and being able to reason over code, like, those those are legitimately
good things. So when I say code, I mean, like, could be like a bash script or IT pro code is what you're saying. Or, like, you know, we've talked in the past, like, interacting with REST APIs and things like that, I think, tends to be something. Like, everybody know needs to know how to fire off an HTTP request and maybe do, like, a git or a put or things like
that. You know? So it's a little weird that, like, that stuff isn't there because that stuff would have been there in, like, the hero days. Right. I think of what people think back to, like, when Ignite was the IT pro conference and, you know, TechEd before that and and things like that. Do you think some of it, though and then we should wrap up because we do have to go to dinner.
But do you think some of it is even the advent of the cloud and that's some of that stuff is still there, but in some respects the IT pro's job has changed. Because I remember, like you mentioned TechEd or even some of the SharePoint conferences, where you were getting 400 level sessions on how SharePoint stored content and databases and how to optimize your SQL databases for
SharePoint data storage. I remember, like, a Spence Harbar 400 level session on all the intricacies of how the user profile service worked in SharePoint. As an IT pro, that type of work, just it's there in some companies. There are some companies I just did a SharePoint on prem installation upgrade, like, the last couple months. What are the last ones? Sticking with it. But is it truly that there's maybe not as much 400 level content that applies to the broader level of people? Because I know
my IT pro job has changed. I'm not in the weeds on servers. I'm still doing stuff with security, with conditional access, with Intune. Troubleshooting that, it's different. And I there's definitely not that level of content here that there probably could be about managing devices. I'm curious to go into some of the sessions and read through some of the blog posts, because there have been some things that have caught my eye around particularly security and Copilot.
But I do think the IT pros job has changed, which may also have led to some of this. I think some of it's self fulfilling prophecy. Right? Like, that that kind of glue in the middle is just not talked about anymore, but it still exists. Like, if you're gonna go out and I I and I think the keynote today was a good example of that. It talked about the front end with users and Copilot, and it talked about the back end with things like Azure AI search and Cosmos DB
and the developer experience. Yep. It didn't talk about how to bridge that gap. So somebody needs to before the end user can consume it up here, somebody needs to go and provision that infrastructure. And that's still a step that needs to happen. And it it's very strange to me that those things are kind of cut out of the experience. Right? Like, I would think something like AI Shell and the ability to leverage Azure, Copilot for Azure, Azure Copilot, whatever they call
it Whatever. To leverage and and integrate that in because it's part of that experience. Right? It completes the story. You can't tell me about the beginning and the end, or, you know, like, the the end and the middle without giving me, like, how did how did all this stuff come to fruition and and and where did it spin up along the way? So I think we talk a lot about, like, inner loop and outer loop and developer life cycles and things like that, But IT pros are largely, like, left out
of that equation. Yeah. Well, and I think it probably does exist more on the Azure side, to your point. It definitely exists more on the Azure side than maybe the M365 side because you do have all the Azure in front. How do you get that to end users? So but we have a lot more stuff. We have a lot more stuff from the keynote than we actually got to, Scott. Surprise, surprise. We had a bunch of notes and we only got to a fraction of them. You let me talk about Copilot after you
said you weren't. So we're good. It happens. Every once in a while, I just let you loose to talk about what you're feeling passionate about on that given day. But we do have stuff like, I did an interview today with someone from Microsoft about a new device Microsoft is coming out with a Microsoft 365 link. We have a bunch of other Windows 365. Windows 365. I said it wrong. Windows
365 link. There will be that. We might have to do a few Ignite recordings while we're here and talk about some of the other keynote stuff we have and we might line up some other interviews with people over here. Yeah. Make it work. Now it's time for dinner, Scott. I am looking forward to this steak. Sounds good. Let's do it. Alright. Well, thanks, Scott. We'll talk to you later. If you enjoyed the podcast, go leave us
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