Talkin' Shots: A Mixed Bag

how are you? I? Bill Jones, heck my Harrison is here and Rob Phillips is here as well. I love this cast of characters. Characters you didn't talk about Rob like that. Mickey. I stole this from you. I knew you were going to be bringing your note book here. You got notes. Oh my gosh, heck I myself. That's Bill, that's Bill, that's Jones. Yeah, we love note books. It here. We were all school it here. Yeah, slack and bring

this pH and nothing else. Brings his phone. Yeah, but Rob's got everything on his phone from all the interviews out there. Good point. That good point, Mickey. We just interviewed about twelve position coaches yeah, well the entire staff. I want to hear all about that. But first and do you realize do you realize that that's the first time we've talked to these guys in like forever. Did we talk to Joe Phillman last year? Because training camp maybe I'm trying to remember even now, we talked to

Joe Witt in training camp. I remember that. I don't know if we ever got George Edwards and I think we talked to Wit maybe because dan Quinn was COVID restricted or whatever. Was that training camp we camp? But yes, it's very it's been very limited since and I guarantee you we haven't had a chance to introduce ourselves to all those guys COVID man, right because last year, Yeah, last year, we never saw any of the assistants. As a matter of fact, with Rob Davis, the assistant head coach.

So the day of the draft, I was in the TV room and I was doing something with McCarthy because we were going to do something for outdoor party whatever, and Rob Davis was in there and he got done and he came in introduced himself to me, and I go, yeah, it's been you've been here a whole year. I didn't think I'd ever meet you guys, and he goes, oh, come on, mix wow, wow, the real star of the show. So I'm not sure you know, we had the open was mixed shots, but really it should have been a

combination of talking cowboys and talking shots. Yeah, talking shots are taking, are taking. I love it, you know, And I'm trying to remember back when Talking Cowboys first started, Rob, and you were in the school desk. Thanks for reminding everybody that, Bill, Yes, and we did. We were was the internet around and you took you were taking because it was because we were. We were you were checking emails, right,

yeahmale existed. Yeah, it was two thousand and four. I was trying to remember if cell phones exist, it is that you were on your cell phone then? No, Twitter didn't it just maybe we're on a better place back then. You were on a little laptop there. Definitely we were about six years away from Twitter. Yes, that's right, Yes, it was a TV show initially. Heck what year that was two thousand and four? Four? Okay, heck, but where were you in two thousand and four? I was man leaving.

Uh I was it in Puerto Rico? Oh, okay, yeah, all right, So can we ask what you were doing there? I was going to school, all right, school in Puerto Rico. Okay, getting a tan mick. All right. So is there news coming out of the position coaches and media sessions today or this is just a get to know you session? No, no, it wasn't get to know I don't know that there was any breaking news out there. No more of just

a feel of how each group is doing. Asking about specific players, Yeah, Joe Filman talked a lot about, you know, Terrence Steele's development, Lyle Collins coming back, what that mix might look like in the future, George Edwards, Scott McCurley talking about Micah Parsons development, stuff like that. No, no real, no real breaking, no bombshells. Yeah, yeah, but it is a bye week bill. It is nice to have that opportunity to talk with well, yeah, we don't, we don't.

We didn't get that usually in training camp after practice you could walk off with them as they were going in, and we didn't have that opportunity. And really where we got the best opportunity to talk with him outside of training camp was in the springtime during OTA's where back in the day where we were free to roam. Yes, then we would get him coming off the field at practice.

And that's gone away now and it certainly has. And you know what, are we six weeks into the season and that's the first contact we've had with a bunch of those guys. So yes, absolutely, all right, so we get started here. And did you happen to see the Monday night game the end of the Monday night game last night? Absolutely? Okay? I did not. How about I fell asleep in my chair, I woke I woke up in this Yeah, my son had a basketball I had a football game last night, So well tell him what

happened too. Oh, bunch of house calls and stuff like that. He'll be a guy that Bill Jones will be talking about it pretty soon. Now. How old is he? He's fourteen? Fourteen? Where's he play? He's at Strady, He's at Trady Middle School. He's a wide receiver. He x not paying for college? Yeah no not so what high school will he go to? We're still trying to decide, Bill, Okay, there's a lot to choose from out there. He's being who gives the

most money. I know, I know, I know the coach at South Lake, you're the mayor or something that hurt already. They've had some wide receivers, they got some quarterbacks in oh yeah, yeah and there, even though they opt out sometimes. So what was your question? All right, fourth and once it relates to the Cowboys and fourth and ones, okay, last night, it comes down to the end of the game and Sean McDermott, the coach for Buffalo. It's a thirty four thirty one game, and they could get a

first down. There were one yard away from the goal line too, and so it's the end of regulation and he makes the decision to go forward on fourth and inches with how much time was twenty seconds something like that in that range instead of kicking what field goal that would have insured overtime, and he went for it and they got stopped Josh Allen on a quarterback sneak get stopped? Who would run a quarterback sneak for one

yard out? And on the previous play Allan had scrambled and almost got the first thing he did by the way, you know, I think that was close. Saw that replay. The replay was a pretty good indicator where that he was short that yeah, where if you look where the ball was. It seemed because they had pretty good technology there on the replay on TV anyway, where it showed

where the first down? Now, why didn't Josh Allen do a dack in because he was going backwards into Yeah he was, I mean no, I meant on the third play, I'm saying on the fourth down he fell, he slipped who was it that the defensive and crashed and hit him and it happened so fast he lost his footing right yeah, So so so anyway, just my question is, and we've seen it over the last several years the end, we were seeing it more and more going forward on

fourth down. I'm gonna give you a history, and I know that analytics plays a little big part in it. Didn't So here we go. So was as tech s Ram said, was Vince Lombardi wrong going for it at the goal line in that playoff game up in Green Bay? What year was that? Nineteen sixty seven? Sixty seven? And I fell championship game and he could have kicked a field goal to send it into overtime? Was there a guarantee they're gonna be able to make the field goal

on ice? Well, there wasn't, but there wasn't a guarantee that he was going to have there at the pretty good guarantee that Jethro Pugh and Bob Lily wouldn't have footing either. Well, keeping from getting into they didn't have footing on the play, did that? That's right? Yeah, neither team, which the point being, the point being that there are circumstances that in every situation that make a decision different

from one game to another. As Tech Shram said, it was the worst coaching decision he had ever seen that they went for it. And I wonder how Tech would have felt about Philadelphia in nineteen ninety four on fourth and one at the twenty nine yard line and Barry Switzer decides to go for it. Yeah twice would have probably thought that that was not real. Oh the old load left. Yeah, they didn't work out so good. It didn't. But really it didn't work out three times, but actually

even on that one. But now we're seeing teams go for it on fourth and one at their own thirty nine. We saw in several years ago Bill Belichick same situation on a fourth and one at the twenty nine yard line. I think against the Colts. He went forth, they got stopped. It's just more and more. It's the philosophy has changed at every level of football, where teams go for it now on fourth down. You know what, I may tell you how smart I was at fourteen years old watching

that the play in the Ice Bowl. I yelled at my fart because I was a Packers fan. I yelled at my father, I go, what's he doing? If they don't make it, they're gonna lose the game. You gotta kick the field goal, which would have tied it, yes, and forced overtime. Yep, just like last night. Go ahead. No, you know in nineteen sixty seven. I mean, he has all my attention right now trying to figure out what you were doing in fourteen years I'd telling you, Dad,

you should have kicked the field goal. I mean, in history rewards the Bowl. So I guess I was a nerd back there watching every Packer game. I can get my nerd. You were a middle linebacker at Chicago Heights. That's right, right, my god. Okay, so to ask you how cold the press box was, Mick, yeah right, yeah. So just in general, Okay, let's put her put ourselves in the shoes of Sean McDermott last night. If Mike McCarthy would have made that also blistered. But also figure Tennessee,

Derrick Henry had three touchdowns in that game. They weren't stopping him all night long. If you're going into overtime, yeah, they were in Nashville. Okay, So what do you do facing fourth and as Switzer would put fourth in a damn foot and you're basically if you score it in your yard away from the goal line too and fan a touchdown, a game winning touchdown, you're that close to winning the game. Or do you kick the field goal for overtime? What do you think I was for going

for it and ending the game right there? Yeah, And I think that's what teams are doing more now. I think teams, I mean every situation, this is a different situation. You could still extend the game. But I think teams are realizing the way passing offenses are now and the way the game has changed, field goals don't matter anymore. They just you can't kick field goals and expect to win football games. And so if you and especially if you've got a Josh Allen who's six four and can

just dive forward and get a foot. Tom Brady has made a career out of that. Do it. You know it's ballsy, but that's the way the game has changed. Three points isn't gonna cut it against the Dallas Cowboys or against teams that are that good offensively. Now, I think it's all situational awareness for these head coaches, especially when you talk about the night that Henry had and not being able to stop him. I think you want to end it right there. I'm more on the conservative side.

I would kick a field goal and take them until over time. Well, and there's a couple of different areas I want to explore on it, because it's kind of the same principle as a two point conversion. Let's say, let's say it was paint this scenario where Buffalo scores their one point down. Now they're at the two yard line, going for two to win the game or kicking it and forcing overtime. That was essentially the situation they were in last night, however, the difference being all they needed

was a damn foot to get the first down. And that's just just happened recently in college somebody went for two. Oh, that happens a lot, so it was it was Arkansas. Arkansas did last week he gets ole miss and they missed and he missed, right, But I think he factored in this is as close as we're going to come from winning the game because we're not stopping him in overtime.

A couple of years ago, Gary Patterson did it for TCU was playing at Oklahoma and they were a decided underdog, and I understood exactly, And as an OU fan, I said, oh no, please, don't go for two. He went for two, and Stephen Parker, who's been in and out with the Cowboys, made the play to win the game for OU. And so I certainly understand it when you're an underdog going

for it. Buffalo, you might be the best team up until last night, you were the best team in the AFC, maybe in football, and um go as a score in the final score of that game thirty one. Yeah, their defense, right, although that's the that's the thing with Derrick Henry and then you're getting into an overtime scenario. And that's why I think situational awareness Again, if you're playing a game where you're not stopping these guys and you have an

opportunity to end the game. I would agree right there, but you you make a valid point with who they were are. It's Buffalo the team, the way that they are perceived. They are looked upon as a powerhouse, you know, squad right now, And you're surprised. I know, I was surprised to hear about it the next morning that they went for it the way that they did because they do have the best best defense in the league last year. Now. Derrick Henry, Derrick Henry, Yeah, so it I agree with you.

It's situational where Okay, let's just you know what, I'll guarantee you that, let's bring it back to the Cowboys, and I was about on their on their final drive and regulation, I'll guarantee you they weren't playing for a field goal. They ended up having to kick the field goal to tie it. I guarantee you their idea was, we need to go score a touchdown, right and in overtime. You know, I think everybody was thinking and I think

New England was thinking this too. But the way they ran the play for the winning touchdown that oh, they're just gonna throw underneath these tight ends, nibble get some more yards and then they're a minute fourteen in the game, you're saying that the plan was to go down to score touchdown and not play for the field goal. And I liked what Zeke said afterwards. He goes, we were

thinking six the whole time. We wanted six. And I think the way New England played it, they took away jar Went, they took away Schultz, and they forgot about Cedee Lamb crossing across the middle. I mean, there's just too many options on this offense right right. And Kellen Moore spoke yesterday about how they were persistent with the running game. You look at the time of possession on Sunday and they it was thirty six to twenty one or something. It was crazy, and I think they wore

them down and got the play action going. And I just think it which is a point where there's too many options for defensive offend over sixty minutes. I mean, it's crazy right now. Twenty six, yeah, thirty nine, twenty six of the overtime. I think the overtime, I think they felt like they were wearing him down, were not a chance to go in and they were seeing the game. That's the beautiful thing about having Tony Romo up in

that booth. They were seeing the game much like what Tony Romo was up in the booth, and he was calling it earlier on that same play that was the scoring play, and they called time out on the previous possession, and Romo said, oh, they've got it right there, and they called time Oh they called time out, but he was and he tellustrated it. And it was actually with was it receiver wide receiver Hooper maybe okay, but he was split out further wide. It was more of a

bunch formation with CD. But it was the same concept with that with a play fake role right and the receiver on the far left comes across the field. So they were seeing they knew that they had it. They had that play in their back pocket, just like Romo was telling us in the broadcast. But you know, initially they obviously the mentality may have been to go and score.

But you gotta think on the past to cede Lamb across the middle, I think what was that second and third and thirty five or something like that, because of the penalty third and twenty five, So I mean, they had to pick up a lot of yard is at that point to even be you know, in the area to kick a field goal right and then and so now you're fourth and one. Um back on that one, I was saying, what a second we lost? Well lost

it down there? What happened because on TV they didn't explain that it was the unsportsmanlike conduct, was a dead ball foul and uh. And so I'm sitting there, I'm looking at my place sheet going, wait, it's it's third down. It's not fourth down. Why are they kicking it? I mean, they could have declined, they had the option, they could have been taken the dot. But even with the yards that it's a fifteen yard so I'm thinking I thought

that it would I happened. I thought the unsportsman like They ruled that it happened in the course of the play and not a dead ball. And the reason that they were they took it was because of the yardage. But obviously they took it not only because the yardage,

but the loss of down too. The other thing on the fourth and one, after the block punt in the first half, Cowboys are in that it's not the end of the game, but they're in a scenario where you score a touchdown, you're taking the lead in the game. Did anyone have a problem with going for it on fourth down at the goal line on the quarterback sneaks. No with that, No, they didn't either. It didn't even occur to me to kick it, because let's just get that chip in that football, man. Yeah, we have to.

I mean there's going to be something about that on our show. We've been talking about technology for a while on our show. But you know, I thought he scored on third down and obviously they didn't call it. Clearly he did. Yeah. But also and Nick just brought this up, and I think this is a great point, even going for it on fourth down right there. If you don't get it, the team gets the ball at the one yard line and you put your defense back out and

that's advantageous. But it's a touchback and it comes back out to it's five. So no, they isn't work in you. They didn't work in your favorite at all. Jerry. Jerry was asked about the chip and the football on the fan this morning. He didn't sound like completely adverse to it. I think probably because this happened twice to his team now this season, where it's like they're making a call on the field on something they can't see tell you what,

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I get this from your wife. So you just need okay, okay, I need to figure out how you'll go find the Jack black Jack black mango shade. But uh, how did you start that? Speaking of? What what were we speaking of? We were talking about the Twitter and having phones and people out there or no, that's okay, they come to hear us and that was for you guys. Oh okay, all right, kind of you're just talking with us, you're not talking, you're not talking to you. They will they

will understand. The show is. It's hadn't changed a bit. It's the same that's been for fifteen years, warms my heart. Does maybe do a mix shot today at some point? Yeah? Right, Uh, Rob, you're talking about Jerry on the radio. I take it you listen to Jerry on the radio, Coup you're taking correctly.

He was asked about that goal line play. That's the second time that's happened to the Cowboys this season where Dak is denied a touchdown And look, I think he's got to be careful because of the Competition Committee, and that's something that would have to come up in the off season. And it's probably a touchy point because you're talking about changing kind of the integrity of the game.

I mean, this is the argument in baseball where why do you have umpires, Why don't you just have a radar that tells you whether it's a ball or strike. But he didn't sound completely adverse to maybe doing something like that in the future because of the fact that that referees are making calls on the field of something they can't see. And I think there's merit to it. I think it's something they need to look at. Whether it get passed or not, it needs to get discussed,

I think so. I asked McCarthy what the official told him, and he said, he said he didn't he couldn't see the ball. And I said, well, obviously he didn't see the ball because it was across the goal line and he didn't see it. And it was like, they can't see it except if they saw your shot above and if there's a sky judge up there, he might be able to see it. And if they got a camera above the goal line, that might be able to see it.

But the guy, so if he couldn't see it, how did he know to put it exact inches from the goal line? They were just guessing because I've, like I said yesterday, I've been on the goal line during those preseason games and when I was doing the broadcast, like the third guy on the field, and you stand on the goal line when the ball's there and they you can't see. You have to be seven foot tall to see. That's why they need that stand that I told you

about yesterday, Like volleyball. Just get the guy up in the air so you can see that's an accident waiting to have it. Well, even on that, we can put Pattie, We put patting on a camera on the pipes work. But even on that with a quarterback sneak where the quarterback's going down low and you got six five three hundred pound linemen around them, you are going to be able to see. But that overhead drone shot you can

see on that one. And sometimes so the competition committee they need to look at this play and say, how do we fix this play to get it right, because if the if the officials are trained that they cannot call a touchdown unless they see the ball go across the goal line. Well, a ball carrier is covering up the football number one, protecting it, and so you technically are not seeing the ball across the goal line even

if you even if you're not blocked on it. But there needs to be standard operating procedure on a play on the goal line like that that if the officials can't see it, you go to replay. Well, he didn't see it because they never called it until they unpiled exactly or given the option. You give them the option to unstack the pile. Why do you want why did

you wait to unpile them? And you see the balls in the end zone and then you basically the first observation of the football after the play was that Dac was on the ground across the goal line with the ball across the goal line, and so that's why it should have been a touch. Well, my question is, how wonky is it that this has happened twice to the Dallas Cowboys on a routine play that shouldn't be easy. We're making something difficult that actually should be easy for

league officials. I mean, I don't know how many quarterbacks sneaks there are a week at the goal line, but I dare to say that they're a lot. So whatever the soop is standard operating procedure for it, it's wrong and they got to figure that out because it's happened twice. No, in nineteen eighty eight, Textram told me they should put a chip in the football and put a laser across the goal line, and we can figure out how to

do this. We could put a man on the moon, but we can't figure out how to see if the ball crosses the goal. We're doing in tennis, Yeah, they do. You're right, Chris. And baseball they've argued for it for a while. At least base baseball purist is a whole. They told tex he was crazy, but didn't wait, didn't Jerry say on the this morning the tech said, I don't want it to be Star Wars right now. He wanted to do it and the sky Wars is you would see Skywars and uh, I forgot about that part right.

The competition committee thought he was nuts. Right, he was so far ahead of his time it was unbelievable. And he was so far ahead of his times on a lot of things he was that people didn't understand. I got a question him, bill Um. Guys, you listened to the interview with Jerry and the Layelle Collins coming back, and they asked him the questions about Lael and still what's your what's your take on that? What the last party said, Yeah, about how he thinks both could wind

up playing a lot in every game. Yes, I don't know what to make of that because I don't know if I don't know if Jerry's just trying to kind of massage the situation's aby week, But no, I mean and that que you know what that question was asked to coach Philbin about you take the bye week to kind of assess where your line is, assess what alternatives, what options you might have, because he said I'm you know, he was asked, are you a best five kind of guy?

He said, yeah, in theory, yes, So now what do you do? What do you do with Lyle Collins coming back and Terrence Steel playing as well as he does? And I think what people your question is, could one of the guys play guard? Is that? What? Has never played guard in his life? And it doesn't look like he could play guard either, Joe and Joe kind of he was asked about that and he said, you know, we've we've played him at tackle his whole career. I

think that's where he's most comfortable. Don't you want a right tackle that you don't have to protect. They're protecting Terrence Steele. Okay, they're protecting him with play calls, they're protecting him with two tight end offense, and it's not always to his side, but it's to the other side, so the defense has to shift over there. You don't think Lale Collins is a better right tackle than Terrence Steele.

I didn't say that, Oh, I say that. It sounded like the inference was no. Jerry was referencing both guys being able to maybe play together on the line. Now, I don't know if that means some kind of maybe your rotation at right tackle, or if they're gonna look look at possibly. I don't think they would move Lou Collins to guard. I don't see that. Wondering if he's talking about a rotation because he hasn't played in six

he won't have played in seven weeks. Right, do you send him out there to play sixty five snaps or or do you say, okay, let's get him. It's Mike's answer yesterday, I think hinted at that. He said, you know, he's and he had short amount of training camp reps too, because remember he was banged up at the end of camp. Right, Let's get into practice next Wednesday and see where he's at. He's been working out, he's been in the building. He looks good. That he hadn't played football. Don't forget he

missed all the last seasons, right, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he's played one game since twenty nineteen, But do you worry about that, being that he's a season vet and that Britt Brown and staff do such a wonderful job with these guys coming back. I mean, he was able to get Chauncey Gholston back after not playing any in training camp. So do you worry about that for Lael who's been in the league for a while. Oh no,

That's why I'm saying, no, he's out there. To me, he may not be able to do all sixty five snaps. I agree with you. I think if he's conditioning wise, if he's good to go, I think you put him. I think back. I think if you have concerns about that that Collins, that you've got it. Okay, you've got an option with Steele and you want to you're concerned about the conditioning of Collins coming back. Let's say Minnesota next week. You just sell it to Lyle that, Okay,

it's a long season. You're our starting right tackle. We're gonna play you two series and then we're gonna bring Steel in the plan going in is and then Steel plays the third series and whatever. Just to make sure that from a conditioning standpoint, you're up to speep. You know. One of the interesting things about it, I mean, you see, for forever, defensive linemen have rotated in. Now there's a lot of energy that goes into it, but but traditionally,

offensive lineman always play the entire game. You don't see that at all. Heckman, you asked the question, what's your answer? Well, I mean I think the answers you put Leo Collins back and right tackle. There's no there's not a position battle going on here. But I think it's interesting when you say that the offense has been limited or not limited. They've had to protect that right tackle because of the edge rushers that they've had, and they still are number

one in the league even with those limitations. L was out there, they'd have six hundw Just hang on it. If you were you were out there with me talking to coach Philbin and you asked two or three questions about how Terence Steele has developed. I've got to do a story on him for the Game Day magazine. That's not minimize what he's done out there. No, I'm not, and you're and you're not wrong. I mean you'll see sometimes you'll see Dalton Schultz. Sometimes you'll see Dalton Schultz

and Blake Jarwin chipping out there. You'll see the running back moving over there. But sometimes he's been out on his nose. I know, and I think more than anything, what he's done, he has been really good in the run game. He has been really good as a run block. About this, especially on the goal line when you're facing third and goal or fourth and goal. You have a super jumbo package like that. You have like that Terrence Steel and Connor reported as eligible and do you play

what at fullback? And what a tidy or you can and then you use Ralston and then you run you run Zeke is a sumbo back. That's like, then you run Zeke and you run over some corner poor quarterback on the outside. And and let's how many receivers you got on the field. Yeah, none, it's don't have one. It's fourth and one. I don't need a quarterback sneak, that's right. Did you get one of them behind Dack on the quarterback sneak and he's pushing him into the

end zone? What do you think? What would be your answer here with Lyle coming I? I don't mind what I just said about. Okay, you start callings and then say the third series or whenever it is Steele comes in for a series or whatever, just to get him up to speed, you know, Okay, I bring it. So. I just did an interview with the University of Liberty coach,

you freeze. They're playing North Texas, this head of Kyle and I are calling the game, but he also rotates out his offensive lineman and that's a very weird phenomenon. And you know, I ask about the synergy between offenses, and he had the synergy between the offensive line, and I think that's what coaches worry about. He was like, hey, man,

we're gonna have these guys compete. So to see to hear that in on a professional level that that could possibly happen, I think I'm intrigued by that as well. I wonder if it's easier to do at a tackle position where the guy is on the edge and he's communicating specifically with the best guard in football next to him. No, Tom did it with a guard. Huh, Landry did it with a guard, didn't. He used to send plays in they'd switched the guard, send in a new guard who

at the play? He just went Lander did that with quarterbacks too. Who you know what I You know what I was, You know what I was fishing We have to go back. He met the flashback at least ten times an episode. So what I was fishing for with Philbin was for him to tell me that Steele was now the backup swing tackle that he could play left. He showed he can play right. Maybe that's what Jerry's getting spelled tyr in every third series and and get get and not have to put ty in the secci

on the field. Well, I think if you're looking at the depth chart right now, that's the case. But we haven't seen him at left tackle since training camp, right steel, Yeah, yeah, taking reps for tying right By the way, I didn't see Brandon Knight back he got claimed by Baltimore. I did not see that. I saw that report as on the check. I know he got signed yesterday. Brandon Knight got signed by the Knicks, but it was different. It was the same day, the same day Brandon Knight got

cut by the Cowboys. Brandon Knight got signed by the Nicks. I thought, I didn't even know. He shows. That shows you the lack of quality deef offensive lineman in this league that a Brandon Knight gets released and somebody right away claims. And that's why I think, you know, because people were bagging on Terrence Steal last year fourteen starts. There were some tough moments. Mickey's the probably the president of that club. But they finally listened to me and

move Martin out there. Didn't that they saw something in him, and they have been very patient with his development and it's paid off well because they because they You're right, it's hard to find a guy right that can develop into a starter. Philbin said he's had a thousand snaps last year or whatever it was. Yeah, you know, and now six more games, so now, yeah, experience helps these guys.

I have such an ax to grind with offensive lineman anyway, and the way that the way that they're playing football, nobody huddles up offensive lineman just standing around the line of scrimmage and there's no more line blocking in football. It's a zone blocking anyway, especially in college, in high school. It's just I mean, it's so the development of offensive linemen.

I think that's where we see it once it gets to the pro level, where these guys such a dramatic drop off from the top tier guys to the second level. There's not enough of them. That's why the other leagues fail because they got no offensive spring leagues, the spring leagues, and then the quarterbacks have no shot, and then the running backs have no shot. And then where how are

you going to get the ball? A little wide receiver. Unfortunately, it's the offensive lineman, and no one wants to develop those guys because if there's Anyboddy athletic in high school, they and on the offense of line. They're on the defensive line. Right, that's the last resort. Okay, go play offensive line. Brodsky's old saying, heck, junior is too good to play offensive line. Huh, it's never gonna Let's let's

just left tackle. Yeah, yeah, that's a primo position. Yeah, of course he's a wide receiver though he's a he's a wide receiver. He's he's six two's fourteen years old. So let's just pray to the six five, three hundred pounds, right, we'll put him out there. How you start it is how you finished. Jason Peters, he was a tight end is Arkansas? Yep? Yep? All right, We continue with more

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back for another exciting season. Don't miss new episodes every Friday at nine eight Central only on CMT. Are you on that show? I'm not he has been before, you have been, that's right, yes, yes, as a judge. COVID knocked me off, so no more mickey. Well, we'll see. If COVID ever goes away, maybe they'll ask me to return as a judge. I was one of the better ones, by the way, I bet you were. I bet you were. Hey,

I can recognize athletic ability. The Bingham baller nine has tweeted why we gotta have a buy on National tight End Day? Sunday, October twenty fourth is National tight Ends Day? Did you know that? I did not know that. No, I didn't know that. It really is a day for everything. Very thankful. I didn't about these tight ends. That would be Dalton Schultz by the way, Yeah, oh yeah, where are we going? I like this. It's about about these

tight ends been rather rather productive. The offense has been rather productive when both those tight ends are on the yield. So we're talking twelve personnel there may yes, I know what twelve personnel is. So maybe when they don't have to have steal out at right tackle, they'll go back to just three wide receivers all the time. You think, now I'm joking. They have played more twelve this year they have than they did last year. And remember it's probably I might be part of it, some of it's

Michael Gallup, maybe not. You know how much Barrett got criticized for too much twelve personnel and god forbid, if you put three tight ends out there, well, you're missing a starting receiver and you're missing your right tackle. So it logically it makes sense to do it. How you do it out of necessity for teams that you think

you can run on. And your running game has rewarded you and that aspect over the last from week two on, you've seen what you know, what the running game has done as far as developing the rest of your play call.

And so you know Cratic Kellen Moore and for that, and even if it was just a situation with Leo Collins, is paid off because of where the rushing off where we are as far as our rushing offense, you know, I think if you don't have of the nineteen eighty five Bears defense, it's hard to match up with the different things this offense can do. The eighty five Bears. Yes, flashback, flashback, Yeah, and you know what I do. I just went and because you got to be able to match up evenly.

You can't say, Okay, I'm gonna take away the run because they'll beat you with the pass, or are you gonna take away the pass they'll beat you with the run. Let me go this, let me throw this in. This is back when they had Of course, they didn't have Zach Martin this game, but they did have le Collins this game the first and against it one of the best rushed defenses in the league, Tampa Bay. How many snaps did the tight ends get in that game? Jarwin

had fifty seven and Schultz forty eight in that game. Wow, and Jarwin hadn't played in a year, right or vice versa. I may have that backwards, but one way or the other, they were using two tight ends a lot in a game where they threw the ball fifty eight times whatever. And just think about how much different that game would have been if you had Zack Martin in that game. Jack Martin and Collins right next to each other for the first time. I think that changes the whole dynamic

and how you approached that game. I think they win that game because I think they're able to run the ball. Maybe extend that. Nick brought up a point that the last drive at the game, I think I think CD had the drop. If they're able to run the ball there, then you're not settling for a field goal at the end. They still should have won it. Yeah, only didn't. But but yeah, I mean Zack, I think that question was asked to Joe philbin Is. It's the best he's play.

I think this is the best we've seen Zack Martin play. He really, I mean, he changes everything for this offensive line up front. The tight ends blocked your point or blocking better. I think Dalton Schultz is emerges more of a blocking tight end and that helps the versatility of the offense. But just watching the game from the press box Sunday to Mickey's point, and I need to I mean, I was traveling all d SJA. I need to go

back and watch it. It seemed like the Pats played a lot of zone in the second half defensively, and guys are just running wide open in the second half finding space. There's just I said at the top of the show, there's just too many guys to try to handle on this offense, and you can hold them down for sixty minutes and they can beat themselves for a lot of that game and it's still doesn't matter. That's gonna put up four hundred and fifty yards. I mean,

it really is incredible what they're doing right now. And then they tried to go man on the winning touchdown. Wouldn't that crazy? Didn't work out? Well, no, it didn't. And that's why one of my questions was for Belichick was how did you stay in man so long with knowing that Ceedee Lamb was going to expose him? You saw the safety bite down on the tight end and Ceedee Lamb take that route right across. He was wide open. But they played us in man a lot, and the

second half they did switch it up. If they didn't switch it up, our offense would have just it would have been more than four hundred forty five yards passing. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait before you say what the last thing you're gonna say, because we're almost out of time here that just flew by? Is this a mix shot that you're gonna I was going to throw out a question, but turn okay, here it is a mix shot to close out mix shots. The music. It's incredible, question was going to be, and

this will be a mix shot. Will you do you think Dak Prescott will be ready to play against You say, I don't think we've brought up his name once. Is he gonna be able to play against Minnesota? I think? Is that your question? What I've been told is it is a calf strain and the goal is to have him ready for the Vikings game. But that doesn't mean he will be ready. He's still in a walking boot. So you are concerned? Color you concerned? Well, here's my other question. There now seems to be a rash of

calf injuries in the NFL. There was one last night, and I think when I read injuries, there was like two or three more injury. Didn'tkareem Hunt get one? Yeah? Yesterday? Yeah? What's what's with him? He's out four to five weeks. It's but it's different between Michael Gallup, a skill position guy that's that's got to run all day, and a quarterback or a running back right quarterback still gotta have his two feet going. I think you're right. I think

this would have been super dicey this week. I don't even think he'd play if it were a game this week. Now he says he would have, but because they're they're not even Look, Mike said they're going to reevaluate him Monday. Yeah, I think there's definitely a chance. I but he Mike couched it yesterday and said, there's variance with these soft tissue deals, and again, you don't you don't want to rush it because you could reinjure that and reinjure it. It's like a hamstring injury, a hell of a lot

worse than the first time. So yeah, I don't think there's any guarantee that he's playing against Minnesota. I mean, but I think the key point of it is it's not considered a severe injury, and that's that's the that's the best part of that. But I think he's going to be in that boot all week. Keep the pressure off of it. I mean, I saw the boot that Michael Gallup was wearing that next week and it was huge and he was moving well on it. But you

can't play quarterback with it on, right. I don't think the Jordan brand makes a shoe like that, But that's Dak explained. They might They might now they might think about that. Engineers are busy trying to construct one. Yeah, but maybe from two guys that have worned that boot way too many times, right, yes, yes, and that was a that was a When he first walked into the press room and Gillette with that on, it was like, oh my god, you know, and so has he not

been through enough? Was there a reason why when he walked in and pronounced, okay, let's take care of the elephant in the room. And then somebody asked about the game. That wasn't the first question. It wasn't the first, ques No, it was the second question, and he invited the first question, all right, let's take care of the elephant in the room. Kicked. Well, what did you think about the versatility of this offense to be able to score that many points and win? Yeah,

I'm watching him right now. I see after the plane landed and walking to his car from the charter and he'll be fine. He had. He was kind of laughing at us on the way out too, like y'all gonna make a huge thing about this and it's not that big a deal. No, Mickey just did he just put everybody, everybody the Cowboy Nation just took a dosa pepto right there. He just did bubbles. Yeah, it's a little bubble guts and merging here. He just put us on red alert.

Thank you spoiled our Byeway. He's saying, maybe Vikings, keep your eye on the calf, but the goal is to be ready for the Vikings. That's what I said. You're right, but it was the goal. It wasn't he will be ready for No one has said that. Everybody's been just very optimus. Okay, well let me do tomorrow. Can we just play, Jones said, before we get out of we just played the mix shots intro. Please. I just need that in my life. Yes, already ready for the rest

of the Nates here. We gotta get out of here. Oh, we better move. That's exactly right. All right. That does it for this edition of Talking Shots Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.