Mick Shots: Veteran Schoolers of the NFL Draft

old school song for two veteran uh schoolers. Right, I'm not calling us old schoolers. We're veteran schoolers right now. Uh doing mix shots here day before the draft. And yeah, and I can't wait, Bill for just something that's real now, anything that's a mock, not anythings that's I this or E that. It's it's going to be actually the first real sports since the middle of March. Yep. And let's gonna we're gonna spend about a half hour here talking

about it. We're doing it a little bit differently this week. The folks at Dallas Cowboys dot Com getting set for the draft, and so we're doing our own little zoom mix shots and which is now being posted on Dallas Cowboys dot com, which is where most of you are seeing this, but we're also posting it on YouTube and tweeting it out as well. And you know, Mickey really

our each of us. Our history with the NFL Draft goes back a long ways, but really with Dallas with the old Dallas Cowboys channel, where we really started diving

into the draft on a regular basis. Was I think back in that two thousand and five draft when DeMarcus Ware was a number one pick and Marcus Spears also went in the first round and we had a lot of programming time to Bill back then, and so we talked a little a few weeks ago about interviewing DeMarcus Ware's high school coach, and I think we interviewed Marcus Spears as well. That was one of the best drafts

in Cowboys history. And of course DeMarcus Ware is going to be a part of the Cowboys Virtual Draft watch party along with Jamie Fox on Thursday night and Micky. It just so happens to be tomorrow on Thursday, the first day of the draft, is also the fifteen year anniversary of when the Cowboys drafted DeMarcus Ware and Marcus

Spears in the first round. You know, bell funny you bring up Talking Cowboys because I'm upstairs and kind of the game room, and I've got a lot of stuff stored away, not stored away, just kind of sitting around. And I found this big black, kind of small folder case and I opened it up and there must be fifteen Talking Cowboys discs in there, and I would agree,

and I didn't. I haven't used him. They had dates on him, it didn't have the year, and I'm wondering if it's from back in two thousand and five or two thousand and six when we were doing the show. But as if I don't have time on my hands now, right, I'm gonna put one in when I do and see what I've got. But yeah, that was a long long time ago when we and we nailed that draft too, about by the way, in two thousands, we nailed that draft better than Bill Parcels. Yes, we did it that.

You're right ourselves wanted to take Spears first, right, yes, absolutely, And now look those guys are today. DeMarcus ware on his way after he waits a while to get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Marcus Spears on ESPN and a really good voice there too, analyzing thing. He's a great personality. Yeah, yeah, And and I actually did a little zoom interview with DeMarcus Ware which I posted

on CBS eleven. Bill Jones, you can take a good ten or twelve minutes talking with DeMarcus about posting the watch party and about that draft. And by the way, the guy that he wants the Cowboys to draft is another edge rusher. Imagine that Gay Levan Chason from LSU, so you can hear his thoughts on that as well. But talking about that two thousand and five ground one, a draft that was not only with where and Spears in the first round, but you had Kevin Burnett in

the second round. He was a really good player, of course he hadn't knee issues. And then you had Marian Barber in the fourth round, Chris Canty in the fourth round, Jay Rattler, a four time pro bowler in the seventh round, and Rob Pettiti remember Rock in the seth round. He came in as a walk in starter at right tackle for that team. Do you remember how Parcel has always talked about him that per tit that the TD He would always say that Pettiti, but he actually started, I

mean he started that rookie. That's how that offensive line they needed so much help. That guy actually started before and he didn't play, But what a year or two in the league. Hey, And there's proof that. I mean, look at the guys the third day of the draft that they guy who were starters in this league, from Barber to Knty to Ratlup in the seventh round to

Patit in the sixth round. And really, I think if you look at the way the draft, the interest in the draft over the last fifteen years, it started about during that time. And I think the big thing that happened that got fans and media more interested in the draft than ever before was the advent of YouTube. When YouTube started and videos could be posted, and for those of us who had football withdrawals, a week after the Super Bowl, you can then start focusing on the draft.

And I started watching the entire college football season, which I don't have time to during the as much of during the fall, and where I'm just dying. You know, I've got a big green note you're looking there, twenty times, even years of big green notebooks. I just found in a drawer over here, and uh, I just love it because of that. And I do think that because we

now can act as scouts ourselves. It's just drive by scouting on YouTube, but you can actually see footage of these guys, which is in sharp contrast to player than fifteen years ago. And you know, and Bill and what it's done not only helped us, but it's helped the fans out there, our listeners, because now everybody can be an expert, or at least an expert in what they see. I mean, you know, I can remember way back to high school when I was a sophomore and our our

head football coach would say, tape don't lie. And he would just say it over and over and over again, right, and we had guys on the team that would try to plead their case and he goes, well, okay, let's see, let's put this on. And he goes, so what, you didn't do nothing there? You missed your assignment, you didn't make the tackle. And it was pretty funny. But I always forget that. I would ever forget that tape don't

lie school coach Mickey, uh football coach. Yes, sophomore year in high school, did they have tape MC then Mickey, we had or was the same film Don't Lie? Yeah, all right. We heard from Jerry Jones and uh, Micha McCarthy and Stephen Jones with the first ever virtual pre draft press conference on Tuesday, And what's your takeaway from

what you heard in that? Well? Uh, you know, I think from a preparation standpoint, they sounded pretty confident that they were able to do from all their separate places by streaming their their meetings for the past two weeks together. Uh, that they felt like they were very prepared. I think Jerry Jones said, we've probably are as prepared as we've ever been. And this is kind of a new coaching staff.

But he said because it was all this virtual stuff streaming off big screens, he goes, everybody was very concise on their assessment of the different players they were talking about, and he felt like the preparation went well. And you know, Bill, when we'd be at the at the Ranch or the Star, you know, the two weeks prior to this week, they would go two days and go position by position ranking their board, and they were able to do that and

felt very confident. So I thought that certainly was a good thing that they felt like they're prepared, like there's no excuse for you know, something going wrong or making a bad pick or whatever. They feel like they've they've done their evaluations to their satisfaction, and Mike McCarthy was kind of impressed on how seamlessly the preparation went. Yeah, I know, there's a lot of people that are going

to be watching. Of course, this is the only sporting event of sorts that we have in American society over this long period here, and so I think the TV ratings are going to be through the roof, especially because everyone's sitting at home with nothing to watch. But they're also going to be watching to see if there are

any glitches along the way. And I think just sort of as a society, as as media and fans, we should give them some grace on this that, yeah, there's gonna be some glitches naturally, I mean there's glitches and everything that everybody's doing right now, and so let's let's give them some grace if there are some difficulties at times. Absolutely everything's I mean, it's not going to be perfect.

If you think what you're trying to do connecting thirty two teams with the NFL office along with themselves, and then hat making sure that within the organization, like the Cowboys, that they have direct phone lines. Jerry has one to Steven, to Will McClay, to Mike McCarthy and whoever Elsie needs, and then bringing all these guys on their streaming device when it's to talk about what's going on, and to the point of having phones hooked up for trades. It's

a pretty big undertaking. But you know what, I had found out that from from a broadcast standpoint and a draft standpoint Major League Soccer in January before they had to do this did it. They basically had a virtual draft, And I watched the w NBA draft a little bit and they didn't seem to have many problems either. Now we're talking twelve teams, not thirty two, So yeah, I'm sure.

I thought. The good thing that Jerry said is when they did the mock on Monday league wide that when they had a glitch, they had backup to the backup, to the backup, and they were able to employ those to take care of whatever problem they might have come up with, because who knows, uh, you know, I was I was writing today on for Mick Shots it will be posted on Dallas Cowboys dot com. I said, what if the internet decides to go on strike? The drafts off? Right? Well?

And I think I think the bigger issue will be communication amongst fellow employees, like communication between Jerry and Steven and Mike McCarthy and position coaches that they may want to talk to and everything. I would like to I wasn't able to sit in on the press conference yesterday. I'd like to know what their setup is going to be. Are they going to have their own video conference call going on on a couple of monitors, maybe just as a backup to make sure as well. But I'm not

as concerned about the trades. I mean, the trades get pulled off, just like they always do. We can still use phone lines, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly right, And and look, they've had problems with trades before, right. I was just right writing about the first trade that Jerry and Jimmy ever did in that nineteen eighty nine draft. It was

in the second round. And I don't know if people remember or not, but the Cowboys were on the clock and they were talking with the Raiders about doing a trade, and they ran. They were running out of time. So the Raiders basically said, okay, you take you take the guard was Nuski, Steve was Nwski for us, and then when it's our pick ten picks later, we'll take Darryl Johnson for you, and then we'll trade. And that's how

they did because they ran out of time. And how many times have the Cowboys actually let the clock expire right that one year and they went and running up there and it was like they got chewed out, like don't you ever do that again? Right? So, yeah, things that during the regular draft have had problems too. All Right, how about we dive into this draft and it's gonna be very interesting to see what the Cowboys do at

number seventeen. Prospects of trading up, trading back? What, I don't think there are very good prospects of trading up. I think there's much If they're gonna make a trade, they'll be trading back. Yeah. If if they had one position or one player that was going to turn this whole thing around or make them take that next step, then okay, fine trade up. But I don't think they

see that. And certainly, when Jerry was asked about possibly using that first round pick to trade for a veteran player, and no player was mentioned, but everybody knows what the question was, would you trade for Jamal Adams, the safety from the Jets, and Jerry's answered a trading that pick for a veteran player player was highly unlikely, And this

point is, it costs too much. Not only does it cost you a first round pick and probably more because if you remember when this came up last year with Jamal Adams, the Jets wanted to first in a second and the Cowboys drew the line said no way. But it also cost you salary cap money. So the key thing is when you've got high priced players like the Cowboys have right now, Dak's gonna make now thirty one point four for sure on the franchise tag, if that's what it is. And then you've got a Marie Cooper

you're paying, you're paying to Marcus Lawrence. You know you've got some high salaries you're paying Zeke. You've got to supplement your roster with draft choices because that's the less the least expensive way to get good players on your fifty three man roster. So yeah, trading up to me seems unlikely unless it's a spot or two. Maybe, uh, you can do that, but put to trade a lot to get one person, I don't think that's likely. I think the more likely thing is that they trade down,

you know. And Steven Jones talked about it on the on the draft uh conference call uh, talking about, well, it's hard to say. You got to tell me what

the board says. When when we get on the clock, you know what's left not only at that position, but what's left after that if you wanted to move down, and you know, they It reminded me Bill of that twenty thirteen season when the Cowboys were they were I believe it was eighteen and and and they they they didn't like what they saw and they had their eye on a center. It happened to be Travis Frederick, and they traded down with San Francisco all the way to

thirty one. Uh, And they got Frederick at thirty one and picked up a third round pick that ended up being Arrence Williams. And say what you want about Terrence Williams, but he ended up being a starter for the Cowboys for several years before he flamed out. So that was a case of okay, everybody criticized the pick, Oh, you could have got him in the second or third round. Well, how do you know that? There was no int right, they ended up with a five time pro bowler by

trading down. You know, if you look at that twenty thirteen draft, that was the best thing by far that they did in that draft too, straight taking Travis Frederick, they took that pick to take Terrence Williams. Because in the second round they took Gavin Escobar and their other third round pick was JJ Wilcox. After that in the fourth round, b W Webb, fifth round, Joseph Randall, and DeVante Holliman was in the sixth round. Now, in Holliman's case,

he had an injury which short circuited his career. But that was definitely the best thing they did. And to your point earlier about where they are as far as the salary cap and now with a quarterback that right now is on the books for thirty one and a

half million dollars, you need to invest in. You need to have a good draft because you need to have these guys come in and contribute, which to the point off, if you're a guy that or the one or two guys that you really would want at seventeen or not there, Trading back picking up an extra third round pick might be the way to go just to be able to build those those needs you that you have right now.

And Bill think about it. You know everybody wants to right away, even before the draft, judge teams off off seasons and give them grades. Right Well, the Cowboys what they did in free agency so far is they just kind of plugged holes. It didn't like they sunk their teeth into anything that's going to turn them around. It's like, Okay, let's make sure we're covered here at defensive tackle. Let's make sure we're covered here at safety, uh and on

and on. But to me, what they do in this draft will deter the level of success in this offseason because they need to hit, especially on those first two days, to get players to help them take that next step. Okay, specifically at seventeen. One guy who I've alluded to earlier, DeMarcus Ware loves Calvan Chason. I like him too. When you look at him, you know, he was injured two years ago in twenty eighteen, had six sacks or so in twenty nineteen. What I like most about him though,

is his potential. He's only twenty years old, turns twenty one later this year, a few months away. And you can see his athleticism, his ability to bend and get around a left tackle. But also from you know, Mike McCarthy says, this is a four three defense, but obviously they wanted to be more of a hybrid type defense. And this guy is athletic enough unlike DeMarcus where and I think DeMarcus will to this. You know, he was best at pitted his ears back, going after the quarterback.

He could cover a guy coming out of the back of Jason has that ability. He can go back and play some pass coverage too. You know, I could remember saying this about DeMarcus Ware when they are in a three four and it was like, I don't like DeMarcus Ware going backwards. I like him going forward. I don't

want him covering anybody. But when you look at Jason, and I went back Bill and and I hadn't done this because I went to the National Championship game, so I never saw the TV broadcast and I went back and rewatched the game, and all of a sudden, boy eighteen was giving Clemson fits, no matter if he was sacking the quarterback. He was just affecting their offense so big, And I'm going, this guy's got so much talent, and

you're right, he's young, he's got room to grow. You mentioned he didn't play in twenty eighteen because of the injury, and so he's young. He doesn't have that much experience. But you can see he's got some of those same quality And I'm not saying he's DeMarcus Ware, but he's got some of those same qualities, the same qualities. Randy Gregory has that unique ability to turn the corner and bend without losing your balance. That was something Tackle Charlton

had trouble with. He would it seem like he had the athletic ability, but he couldn't keep his balance turning the corner. He would always fall slide out. This guy, I think so awfully good and to me, you know, I was thinking we'd save this to the end. But if if they're at seventeen and he's available, unless something weird happens and drops in their lap, he's got to be the guy. I think I agree with that. The other thing I love about him, I love is his confidence,

his personality. He's got and I talked with DeMarcus about this, which you can see on the interview that had posted. He's got and DeMarcus he phrased it as an arrogance that he had. You know, DeMarcus himself had a quiet arrogance about him. Michael Irvin obviously had a fash arrogance about him. But the thing about Michael and Caleban has it appears that he has this same quality about him. You can see that he's got he's got some smarts

about him. You know, when he's pulling your leg, there's a little gleaming in his eye that he knows he's pulling your leg, but he's still gonna pull your leg anyway. I mean, like the comment that he had at the combine where he says, it's obvious to be let's all be honest, I'm the most valuable player in this draft. It's as simple as that. I mean, he doesn't really mean that, but he's saying that because it's just an air that he has a quality. And then you see

the shots of him in that National Championship game. I think maybe in the in the semifinal game where he's on the sideline, you can see it's it's genuine where he's leading the team and so forth. By the way, in that semifinal game against Oklahoma, Ceedee Lamb, which is a ball back behind the linebacking corps and Calebon runing down from behind. That showed a lot of what his

speed is all about. You know, all you gotta do is google his interview at the Combine and it's it's probably a riveting I don't know, five ten minutes talking about the things you said and at any basic and I'm paraphrasing in here, but one of the things he said, do you want somebody that can do one thing? Or do you want somebody can't do three things? Because I can do all three things. I can rush the passer,

I can stop the run, and I can cover. He goes, and if if it's me, I want somebody can do those three things, right, And so yeah, he's got a lot of self confidence. But he sneakingly says it. And I loved his I just loved his personality to go with the athletic ability there at seventeen all right, how important is it because a lot of people talking about the cornerback position, it appears reported Lady Cowboys have talked to a lot of use their thirty visits to talk

to a lot of cornerbacks and safeties. A couple of guys SEJ Henderson looks like, if you believe the mock drafts, might get drafted before seventeen. But there's some others that they appear to be interested in. And then you got a safety in Xavier McKinney from Alabama who they might even be able to trade back. A few thoughts at Tech. Yeah, and I think they need one of each, but you can't have all three in the first round, so I think you have to have a list of priorities. What's

more important? Is the defense add more important than the safety? Is the cornerback more important than the safety? How do you rank the cornerback versus the defensive end? Because I think you know the three guys you mentioned, they're all very talented, but which position can make the biggest impact on your team and not necessarily addressing a need? But defensive end is what they did in the Offseason's only a hope thing right now, right because you're hoping Randy

Gregory gets reinstated. You're hoping Alden Smith gets reinstated, and even if they do, then you're hoping that they're still the player they were when they once played, and neither of them have played football in quite some time. So the Cowboys addressed all these other positions, you know, and I understand you want to get better at cornerback after losing Byron Jones, but at least they resigned Anthony Brown.

So if you had to play tomorrow, you've got three corners, you can say, I can go out there and play with at defensive end on the right side, I don't know. You know, you got Tyrone Crawford, but he hadn't played, didn't play much last year, had two hip surgeries, and he's not really a pass rusher. He's a good, solid defensive end. So they need to address that pass rush edge guy, I think, and that would put me over the edge, so to speak, on a corner or a

safety at that spot. Well, the other thing about the cornerbacks, there's a there's a bunch of veteran cornerbacks that are still out on the market in free agency, where after the draft they could go that route to bill a need. Uh. The other concern though, in the secondary is you have so many players now in their last year in their contract, including both starting corners and Jordan Lewis and Cheeta Aloozier, and then both starting safeties as it is right now,

Xavier Woods as well as Hawk Clinton Dix. Yeah, and it seems like, though what you said, you know that that run on defensive end is going to go real quick. And I think when you get in the second and third round, you may not the quality may not be as good as the quality you can get at cornerback or safety, or the quality you know you can get at the wide receiver position, because I think there's some

guys there that can play. And the other thing, Bill, you know, we're talking about some of their needs and boyd, I just think they shouldn't go to sleep on the center position either because losing Travis Frederick. I know they signed Joe Looney, but again he signed for one year, and I understand the Giants had some interest in him if they were looking to cover themselves at the center position.

I'm through Jason Garrett said, Hey, this guy can be a placeholder for us until we get a guy right, But I think you want better and they don't really have other alternatives. They've got Adam Redman. He didn't play last year and you're not sure what he can do.

You talk about Connor McGovern moving the center, but do you really want to trust a guy that hadn't played center since twenty seventeen at Penn State to transition when there may not be an offseason, there may be a late start to training camp, and now you're going to take this guy and go he could be my starting center. So to me, there's some guys that you can get in the second, third round that can play the position. I think there are some center candidates that you can

get on the third day even now. Whether they could could be a walk in starter, and that's that's highly up in the air, but they do have some options at the center position. All right, in our last five minutes or so, you're making let's talk wide receivers, because that is appears to be the real strength of this draft. There could be as many as a half dozen wide receivers that go in the first round. The Cowboys have

an obvious need at the slot position on offense. And one of the things that that I sit here and wonder about, especially in this environment that we're in right now, we're not one hundred percent sure we're even going to have a season this year. I think best player available, even more so than usual, should be top of mind

for not only the Cowboys, but every team. And if the best player available at seventeen is a wide receiver, especially one that can play in the slot, I think they've got to take a long, hard look at that. I would not argue with you one bit if they ended up taking a wide receiver because the offense you play, and I know what McCarthy likes to do. If you're gonna use three wide receivers, then you need three starting wide receivers. Well, the Cowboys have two. And what'sever behind

everybody right now? You can't tell me that that guy's going to go out there and give me fifty eight catches for more than an eight hundred yards that Randall Cobb did last year. You got to replace that. That's important. And yeah, I just think you can't go to sleep on the wide receiver position. And you know, you should open up that big green notebook and tell me if you know. I mean, three of these wide receivers could go before the Cowboys even draft, but you know, something

that might be available even in the second round. I could see using a second round pick on a guy that can play in the slot. My concern with the second round is I think that there's gonna will likely be a run on these wide receivers. I think David Jeremiah, or to Daniel Jeremiah said it's his dad is David Jeremiah. Daniel Jeremiah said that he's got twenty wide receivers in the top one hundred picks. I believe that was the

number that he had. But I think once you get past the first seven or eight, it's by the time you're picking at fifty one in the second round, it's gonna be like any other wide receiver draft, because the really good ones, the difference makers, are gonna be taken in the first thirty five picks. Probably. Okay, since you turned me on to this guy, I'm gonna let you talk about him. Leaviscas Chanal. I looking at him, and boy,

that certainly looks like an interesting wide receiver. And to your point about Mike McCarthy offense, and we've seen what Randall Cobb we was able to do in that Green Bay offense, and it even last year with the Cowboys. A guy who has run after catchability in the slot and Labiscus Chenault, who by the way, is six foot five eights inch tall two hundred and twenty seven pounds. He lifts at Colorado. He lifts with the offensive lineman.

He is so strong because they have to change the weights with the wide receivers, so they just Lebis could just go lift with the with the with the lineman instead. But he's got I mean, he had a phenomenal twenty eighteen season where he had a thousand yards receiving eighty six catches in nine games. Played not as much in twenty nineteen. One of the knocks against him or injuries, I don't think that they're In fact, he had core

muscles surgery right after the Combine. He posted a video in the last couple of days showing him working out. Doctors say that, he said, I mean, he's about one hundred percent already from that. I don't think that's a concern. Uh. You know. Mike McIntyre, the former Cowboys assistant coach, was his head coach at Colorado. He says glowing things about him.

I've reached out to him about him. Melt Tucker, who is a coach this past year at Colorado, says that he is one of those guys that you don't find a guy like this but maybe once in your coaching career. I mean that kind of athletic ability I saw. I saw one one draft Nick guy. His assessment of Channault was he's probably the best athlete in the draft and I think that speaks volumes. I also saw somebody in one of their mocks knock him for speed. He only

ran a four or five eight at the combine. But what he did was he knew he had to have that surgery on that core muscle, but he ran anyway. That was one of the only things he did. Then give him for credit, give him credit for trying, But I did he is faster than that. So he ran a four or five seven with a sports heard you Yeah, basically, yes, absolutely, somebody knocked him that speeds the well, you got to

point out why the speed was a problem. You get just say it with speed, But but what and he can play running back too, I mean you can hand them the ball. And remember Mike McCarthy used his wide receivers. That's exactly right. Ty Montgomery basically made the career switch from wide receiver to running back. I mean, can you imagine a Cowboys offense where you got Chinalt on the field and you don't know whether they're going to go power or you know, four wide or whatever it might be.

You know, because they could line him up alongside Zeke and give it to either one of them absolutely, and then throw Pollard in the equation and you can have a very versatile offense. So you know, we've talked about all these positions, Bill, and I know we're getting close to running out of time. But the main thing I think for the Cowboys, and I think you mentioned it about best player available, especially at that first pick, they can remain flexible because they need a little bit of

everything right. And my analogies I've been using on the streaming shows we've been doing is you see the dartboard behind me. If I replaced the numbers on the dartboard with a position and you blindfolded me and I threw a dart probably whatever I hit they need. I don't know that we can make an argument that nah, they don't need that. And Jerry and Mike brought it up

yesterday in that conference call about a quarterback. Hey, the backers were known for drafting quarterbacks in later rounds, the second or probably third day, and developing them and even if they don't turn into say you're backup, because you're set on your starter that you've got value there. It's a piece that you can trade and make some money off if you develop the guy. Now, the Cowboys have tried that, they failed a couple times. Stephen McGee, that

was kind of their idea there. Now their idea with Dak was the same thing. Not knowing Tony was going to get hurt and he had to end up being played. But so if my Dart hits quarterback, Yeah, at some point in this draft, take one. Yeah, and you know, and you look at it, Yeah, Dak has been healthy if you had his career so far. But you would love to have a quarterback who you really have some trust in, who has skins on the wall in his college career, who for the next four years can be

your backup. And you know, and in a pinch, you feel pretty comfortable that you're not going to lose what you've put into this team because of the uncertainty at the backup quarterback position. All right, so we're bad out of time, you will make your pick now. I still say I've taken with my sticking with my LSU guy Cavalon Chason Haired for me to say it that kay Levan Chasan kind of runs together, but I like him. Well. I think the dream draft would be if somehow Laviska

fell the fifty one to the second round. Yes, absolutely, Levon first in Laviska in the second round. I mean, I don't have a problem taking Laviska in the first round myself. And maybe you trade back, and yeah, got an to pick and and you know one position we didn't touch and I know we got to go is who's your backup swing offensive tackle. By the way, that's that's another one. I got a name for you, Hakim Idenagy. Oh yeah, did you kids pronouncing that he's from Kansas? Oh? No,

Iddenagy and he could play. He's from Garland High School. Jeff Jordan, I remember Jeff. Yeah, he's some freelance work with the Cowboys scouting department through the years, and he wound up being in Kansas. He followed David Beatie, the hit coach, up there, and Iddenagy went up there. And he's a he's a good looking prospect as a swinging offensive lineman. Whether it's a tackle or guard just in fourth round or so, fourth or fifth round. There you go.

So we even eliminated any position. I don't think. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fun to watch and we will reconvene at some point to see how right we were. Right absolutely, Bill, and thanks for being with us on Mick Shots