Mick Shots: Playoff Fever

is doing today. I am not Bill Jones sitting in for the legend himself. I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad to be alongside Everson Walls. We've got Mickey Spagnola on the phone, and if you're watching us live, you won't see Mickey, but we guarantee Mickey is here and he is present as we bring you a Tuesday edition of Mix Shots. How's everybody doing ever? Since? You're doing all right? Man, I'm doing just fine. I gotta say you built yourself up pretty well. Then you kind of raise the bar.

Oh well, thank you, how well you do? We'll see how I can fit in of course, I'm across Dallas Cowboys dot com, but glad to make my mix Shots appearance. You're wearing your victory white as the cowboys you're hiding. They're white out this way outside too. It went well with the with the weather. Oh good, good, absolutely, Mickey, how are you doing? Can you hear us? All right? I've got you loud and clear and ready to go. Now you've you've had an interesting day so far getting

set for this show. We were just talking about it a little bit off the air, but you're your journey to be on mix Shots today was not your favorite thing, right, Yeah? It probably started it around quarters of eleven and ended at about one o'clock trying to figure out why the video from the uh app we used to get video on the show from Afar wasn't working, and we moved all the way to broken up video, which was better than the color bars that we were dealing with, but

didn't quite get there. So, yeah, no one gets to see my beautiful face today. Yeah, that's unfortunate. That's a loss for everybody involved. They at least get to hear you say that. I mean, can we honestly say that to a loss? You know? We miss you, but to say a loss, that's uh, that's different. That's a little bit too far. But Chris beam in the back, he was he was trying to get it all set up, and I walked in. He goes look at Mickey and he just pointed up to the screen and it just

looks like a bunch of colors put together. It actually looked like a painting. And Chris came up with, am not gonna see it first? Oh, we gotta know what it looked like. It looked like that commercial when the lady's face broke up. I'm not a bad aunt. The is that an a T and T commercial? I think? All right, here we go, here we go. I got it, I hope. So okay, yeah, there it is on Everson's camera here. That guys, what do we call that now, Kyle,

you can go ahead. Is the Macasso? That is the Micasso? Yeah, that's what happens when you have a droid phone as opposed to the beautiful iPhone that we're dealing with right here. Oh, this is what rod commercial. I'll tell you what. I'd rather get paid by one that works. Okay, I'd rather get paid by one that works. Thank you. Sir very much, Thank you Chris for that. This is this is better. You better check the sponsor list for the Cowboys before

you start throwing that. Yeah, that's true, that's true. We need to we gotta be careful about It's okay. I think you're fine. I think you're fine. But the micasso was what we were we were greeted with today. But Mickey, any anything stand out to you? Jerry Jones was on the fan earlier today kind of talking about going into this wildcard matchup as the Cowboys and the San Francisco forty nine ers, a classic matchup that I know you guys talked about a death yesterday, But anything stick out

to you? And what Jerry said, Mick, Well, he said, you know, I thought he started off basically pointing out that, you know, he appreciated what happened, what the Cowboys did, Like the game on Saturday night had nothing to do with what Philadelphia did or didn't. It had everything to do he said about us, how we executed, how our offensive line played, how different individuals executed, the defense performing, and it was just about us and he appreciated how

that turned out. And then obviously move on to San Francisco and you know, and I think one of the questions was, you know, would you have preferred to play somebody else? And he said, hey, these are the playoffs. Um, everything's razor thin out there. Uh so you gotta go play. You can't worry about who you're playing. You gotta go play. And you know he's exactly right, there's there's no cream puffs out there. You know, they didn't they didn't give

the Cowboys the opportunity to play Houston. Uh so, you know, just get ready, buckled down and see what your best can do against their best. Hey, hey, cows over here laughing at you, your Humphrey Bogart era of of of of language here. Yeah, I can see the headlines now. Mickey Spatt says the Houston Texans are puff. Well, you know what, they got one coming because a couple of years ago, when they were in the playoffs and the Cowboys weren't on their website, they posted a picture of

an Wow, that's some shade. That some shade, that's I think. You know what, if you're in the playoffs every year, then go at it, right, but let's not get in one time and then stop throwing itself that's what you gotta do, though. You gotta establish your dominance when every time you can, and I guess that was the one time that the Texans were able to do that. I

don't know. I don't know why this turned into bashing the Texans in the away from that, because I want to get on how the Cowboys are in Unison in regards to the message. Uh, sometimes Jerry can go off spags a little bit to where, you know, hey, hey Jerry, maybe you shouldn't have said that, you know, bulletin board material or even sometimes it's just a little bit over

the top. But right now, what he said, I think it was very accurate because the Cowboys got and I don't want to call this just a good practice because like you said that, there are no cream puffs spags, but you do you did have a team that just had no idea what was going on and they were totally outmatched. Now, as you look at some of the games that have gone on this entire year, you cannot predict anything. I'm not taking any team or win for granted.

So when it's all said and done, I got the Jets. They came out and they beat a couple of good teams. I don't feel like going off all the upsets that happened throughout this entire season. I mean, unpredictable, dumbfounded upsets such as Cowboys dinfit. We always remember those, But then you have Tampaloos to the Saints twice. You know, you have some things that went on that lets you know you can't take any wins for granted. And the way we played the other day, that's how we should have played.

That's how we should have beat them. So I don't look at this as anything as a ladder move. I looked at it as an improvement that we needed to make because offensively we haven't been consistent. We still haven't shown to be consistent. But I'd rather go out the way we went the way we did in that game than looking at how we went out as the game

before that. Yeah, and that's a great point because Mickey very easily could have turned into the Cowboys matching the Eagles energy of saying, you know what, you're not playing Jalen Hurts, you're not playing all these starters that were on the COVID list. There's they're taking a week off. Nick Sirianni even said it they have earned a chance to take the week off. And that's not the way the Cowboys looked at it. The Cowboys looked at it as an opportunity to gather their momentum, to kind of

get their feet underneath them. After a loss against Arizona and Mickey, they went out and executed, checking the boxes of health and execution. Along the way to improving their seating. They broke a few records, said a couple of personal records. I mean, come on, you can't. You can't beat that. I mean, that was the game to do it. We beat them the way they should have been beaten. And to me, you can't. You can't be down on that.

And let me go further. I saw Church coming in here, Spags, and we were talking about how everyone is doubting the Cowboys, and I look at it like this. You've got a lot of form players, they're a pundits now, and those former players, for some reason, all of them think we should have drafted them, Spags, all of them that I should have played with a Cowboys who I didn't get. Drut Cowboys. I'm gonna go work. So they take that

energy as players onto the booth. Right, So now all you get is oh the Cowboys, this Cowboys better look out. Nobody says Tampa better lookout. Yeah, you know, they played like crap many times this year. Nobody said, hey, Green Baby Baby should look out. You know, nobody talks about the Rams need to look out. Come on the way Matthew Stafford has been so inconsistent. Everyone's given getting the

benefit of the doubt. But the Cowboys, and I think they always look forward to the moment when we crafted a bit. Well, and here's the other thing. And you know, I was talking with the guys during my segment on the fan this morning, and you know, we were talking about their physical defensive front. Talked a lot about Deebo Samuel and what he brings to the table. And I said, yeah,

and guess what San Francisco's talking about. They're talking about, Oh, can we block Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence and what do we do with Micah Parsons. Yeah, so they got things to worry about. Two uh so, And I understand how it works because we see other teams and it's like, Okay, there's their strong points. Well they see the Cowboys strong points too. And the fact that I bet They're not just dismissing. Oh it was Washington, Oh it was Philadelphia,

they put fifty points on them. No, they're looking at in two the last three games, this team scored fifty points, and that's what they're worried about, along with the other things that this team can do. Like the Cowboys three receivers. You know, I understand that how good their defensive front is and that makes up for maybe what they have

in the secondary. But Hooper Cup was running through them left to night, right, So now are they sitting there going, oh, are we worried about those three receivers the Cowboys have and that tight end who nearly And I didn't double check this what Schultz's final numbers were. I've got him right here. He ended up the second leading receivers seventy eight yards, I mean, seventy eight catches for eight hundred

and eight yards and eight touchdowns. Will we worry about Kittle? Right? Yeah, well he's got seventy one catches for nine hundred and ten yards and six touchdowns. So are they sitting there worried about Dalton Schultz? I think they should be right,

And so it works both ways. And I know this always happens in the in the playoffs, you know, and a lot of times everybody looks at the other team and it's almost like they romanticize about those players and they don't realize on the other side, they're thinking about what the Cowboys have and how do we stop them. Were you talking about Scholtz, I mean, were you not talking about a necessarily dynamic type of player, but the consistency that he's possessed, as well as his ability to

get Dak out of trouble. Because when you're playing against that two men, which is they're going to start off on us, whether two man or some type of man to man, then it's always the tight end that has the best chances to get open down the middle. That's why tight ends were created, because wide receivers can't get open. And whenever that happens, that's what Scholtz does. He has tried and true with that and he has come through for us in moving the chains as well as working

well in the red zone. So yeah, when he's on and when Dak is on with him, when they're connecting, I think they're a heck of a duo to deal with. And just based off of the numbers that Mickey just gave comparing him to George Kittle, who is widely renowned as one of the top tight ends in all of football, you can see that Schultz has more receptions but less yardage because he's not that big play for He's not going to have the yacka that's not his game. But

that's right. You talk about the number of receptions he has, the amount of targets he has in the red zone eight touchdowns to go along with what he's done this year, because not only is he getting open inside ten yards toward the first down marker as a safety blanket to Dak Prescott, he's finding himself open in the red zone. And he's only the second tight end in Cowboys history,

along with Jason Witten, to hit that eight hundred yard marks. So, Mickey, I think you're you're bringing up a fantastic point of Now it's a pick your poison sort of mentality for San Francisco, where the Cowboys of course have that same mindset looking at their opponents. But if you're San Francisco, who do you look at first and say that's going to be our biggest challenge? Yeah? No, absolutely, And I'm

gonna just say this off top of my head. I hadn't done the research, but I'm guessing the Cowboys haven't had many, if any tight ends not named Witten end up with. I think it's only him and Schultz, I believe. I think it's Witnes Schultz. Yeah. So yeah, so when the Cowboys have been the Cowboys have been blessed with amazing tight ends since the inception of the Dallas Cares. That's saying a lot that that's that's that's that's tall what my dad used to say, that's tall cotton. Right there. Boy,

that's a good one. I don't like what were you saying there? You know what? The other thing I just noticed, and I haven't looked up their record calling, but the referee cruise for this game have been named Cowboys have Alex Kemp's crew. Uh in this game. I'm glad we're delving into this, especially after last week the last couple of weeks past. Go ahead. Yeah, And and actually Jerry brought it up. He didn't know the crew, but he thought the guys that did the game last week did

a really good job because they let him play. Yeah, because we having maybe ready to go homes bags right, they didn't want to call anything right in our day this game. But I just noticed Alex Kemp. He's eight years uh in the league. Uh and I think he's four four time head referee. So he's got the Cowboys game. Uh, they've got uh, it's it's a it's it's a somewhat young crew. There's only one guy other than Kemp. So

Kemp's the eight year veteran. Uh. One guy wolf Sped Uh I'm um he no, I'm sorry, uh, Jim Mellow he's the uh d G what is d G Stanford? Okay, thank you wait j Yeah, he's been in the league eighteen. Nobody else has been in more than six other than the head referee. So it's a relatively young crew right now. I could care less about what how young they are. I want to know what their propensity is spags. Okay, I got you. How about this? They've had one call

it up, Kyle beat me to the PA. I got you. Yeah. So they've had one game with the Dallas Cowboys this year. It was the first Washington football team game where they were in Washington, and it was the twenty seven yeah, twenty seven twenty game, and there was only seven penalties for sixty five yards in that game against the Cowboys. Seven for sixty for Washington Maryland in Maryland, Yes, in that FedEx field. So it's about as even as you

can potentially get. It's not one of these big games like the Raiders or the Chiefs or the game against the Cardinals where the Cowboys had their their had their reserves about their referee. So right now you feel pretty good about the way that this this officiating crew is holding things up. I just don't like when when when officials become the conversation part of the game, they just shouldn't be part of the conversation. And anytime you do that as a group, uh that that lead referee or

whatever you call them spags. He needs to tone that down before it gets out of hand, you know, especially when you look at what it might be looking like at halftime. Uh, you know what, what what are we doing? Are we throwing too many Let's take a look at and review, guys, because you could see some of these things happening and you couldn't stop him. To me, as a referee, you're a head referee, then you need to you need to handle that and look guys, we can't.

We are we are becoming part of the script and that's not fair to the fans of the players. So I noticed all also on the on the crew, and I'm surprised this happened. Uh, former Cowboy defensive back Nate joneses the field judge. Wow. Wow, I didn't know that. I didn't how many former players are referees. Uh spags Ah, that's a good question. I never when he did it. I remember doing a story on him and he was like one of maybe two that were in the league

that had been former players. Um, they've listened to him and this is what he had been doing before. Uh, he kind of got into the officiating thing. He's a he's a firefighter e MT. And he was doing that locally here. Okay, so wait, so he's from Dallas, Yeah, he lives there. He's he's from the he went to Rutgers. Uh did he played for Cowboys? He played for the Cowboys. Did we treat him well? Yeah? Right? Yea. Is it a good relationship because that's a big question here. Who

quit who? He's a really good dude. That's good. Great to hear, that's a matter of fact. England he's the one. He's the one that knocked knocked right far out of that game that year Aaron Rodgers started his career. WHOA, well, I guess thanks for that. I don't know, all right. One another thing on the referee crew before we take

our first break home win percentage. That's something that you were you were curious about with this crew this season, thirty one percent of the time the home team is one, which is like twenty points below the season average. The season average is fifty one, should be this is thirty one. But it's hard because this is an all star crew.

By that's true, it's different completely. He has there's only two guys that are on Kemp's crew on it all year, right, and it's the replay official And I don't know what the r A is replay assistant. I U, yeah, I think it's probably replay assistant. So those are the only two guys that were on his crew. The rest are from basically all other crew. Well, well, Chris, that that means that the bombs that were the one flags on us, they didn't make the team. Oh no, yeah, you get

you get raided. You here two grading and a three rating and they grade you so I don't want to see the guys from the Raiders game and Cardinals game. Yeah, they've thrown or at least his crew has thrown twenty five more flags on home teams than road teams in over the course of the season. Maybe so, But like Chris said, we can kind of throw a little bit of that out the window. It's just the head official that all these stats are on. So great point from

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Restrictions and exceptions may apply. Back back to Mick Shuts Cowboys Nation, It's playoff time. Get ready to wipe out at and T Stadium and cheer on the Cowboys to victory this Sunday, January sixteenth, when they take on the Sandford Cisco forty nine ers at three thirty Central Time. For playoff updates, visit Dallas Cowboys dot com Slash twenty twenty one Playoffs. Welcome back to mix Shots. Everybody's second segment Here from the s WBC Studios. Everson Walls, Mickey Spagnola.

I'm Kyle Yeoman's Mickey, I'm wearing my white T shirt as underneath my navy jacket. I gotta take my jacket off. Everson's wearing his white You're on the phone, so you can lie to me if you want to. Are you wearing your white out today? I am not wearing a whitet out, and I'm not kind of a grayish white tent with a Cowboys star on it and half committed. That sounds like you have committed there. You know. I do respect the fact that he didn't lie there because

he could have. Nobody sees him right now show, so he doesn't have to that's true, but hey, he was. He was an honest man about it, so I was dressed for success until we couldn't get the video. I'm sure you look phenomenal me as always, all right, Macky. You mentioned it the other way around, how teams are looking at the Cowboys and they're saying, oh my gosh, there's Michael Parsons, there's DeMarcus Lawrence, there's Randy Gregory, and then there's this offense that's put up fifty points in

two of the last three games. What are the Cowboys looking at with San Francisco on the other side of the line of scrimmage when they are game planning how to slow down this forty nine ers squad, Well, they're looking at Deebo Samuel to start with, right, I think it starts there. It's probably the second next guy and maybe the third next guy. He was phenomenal coming out of South Carolina, right. I saw enough of him beating up on Missouri for three years or however many years

he was there. They just couldn't stop him, and I wanted the Cowboys to be able to get him. So this was before they got Cedee Lamb, and I think he went the second round maybe that year, and it was like, ah, he's gone, but check this out. So he's their second leading rusher fifty nine carries for three hundred and sixty five yards and eight touchdowns, and as a receiver he leads with seventy seven catches one thousand,

four hundred and five yards and six more touchdowns. So if you add that together his yardage from the line of scrimmage one thousand and seven hundred and seventy yards and fourteen touchdowns, they better know where he is every time they line up defensively because if you go back and watch the Rams game, he linds up wide at wide receiver, he lines up at in the slot, he lines up at running back, and they will hand him

the ball. They try to do everything they can to get the ball in his hands, and once he gets it, he is a load. He's a little bit thicker, maybe stronger Cede Lamb, but the same type of is a way thicker and stronger than Lamb. Yes, but it's the same type of it's the same type of guy makes great catches and once he gets in the in the open field, you're in trouble because he's gonna break your ankle. And he's a strong, strong runner. You could tell he's

got some running back in his background spags. But also I think I heard this morning, Uh he's only second behind Chase if I'm mistaken. With the Bengals and yards per catch, I think he's up in the seventeen point something yard average. And so he's gonna beat you short and he's gonna have the yak and he can go deep on you as well. So yeah, he's somebody that if you can just eliminate him, then you're going to

improve your chances of winning the game exponentially. He's not only their most dangerous threat at wide receiver, he's not only now their most dangerous thread at running back, but he also threw a touchdown pass in the final game of the regular season as against the Los Angeles ram So he can do a little bit of everything. So, Mick, when when you're talking about this guy, you have to know where he is at all times. San Francisco Kyle Shanahan,

they're going to run all this motion. They're gonna run all this eyewash up in front, try and confuse the defense, and Deebo Samuel for the most part, him and Brandon i Yuk another very shifty, speedy wide receiver on the outside. Balls. Yes, yes, both of those guys are going to be tough matchups, just based off of the speed that they have and a lot of times they're already they're already running. They already have that momentum because of the motion and what

they're able to do prior to the snap. And then not only that, but they want to run the football right. They they look at it that we are going to run right at you, and they do it with a lot of two tight ends. But you know, the other thing they use. How about this, they use a fullback right, wow, Yes it is Mick. He had it. And they will line him up in a true fullback. They'll line him up off the line of scrimmage to either the left or the right, behind the kind of offset from the

offensive tackle. And he's a load and they use him. Uh you know, he's caught thirty passes. You know he rhymes me. Uh. Ever said you remember Rathman, the fullback the Niners. Yes, I do, Yes, I do. That type of guy, right, he will. He will go through a brick wall for you. But that's when that's when fullbacks were the norm in an offense. Yes, he was just another, just another fullback out there who was hardheaded and very determined. Maybe I should have said Daryl Johnston too. Yeah, I

guess you could have. That's very true. But but when they run the ball and he's a load going into the middle. And by the way, I don't mean as I think about it, Darille Johnson, I don't think he had ten catches his entire career. Oh no, he did. Oh he may have had fifteen. Okay, I'm sorry. Now you got Kyle looking at this up now, you go ahead, masty little book. Nineteen ninety four, Daryl Johnson had forty four catches. Wow, Troy must have been on a lot

of pressure that year. He had fifty ninety three. That's when he missed all his blocks and then de Troy had no choice but to throw. You want to know what's funny about that, though, Mickey, is the fifty catches. Out of those fifty catches, there wasn't a single catch for a first down. They were all undertake. I told you he blew his blocking a sigmon, and Troy's like, hey, your man is hanging off of me. Take this thing. He had. He averaged seven point four yards of Come on, yeah, yeah, yeah,

that's about it. That's funny. Whatever happened to the fullback man, I mean bringing back there's probably what two or thrifts that college offense. Ye, college happened to the fullbacks and they got rid of them, and they basically got rid of the tight end. Uh, And all of a sudden, it's four and five wide receivers out there. Can't you can't get rid of that tight end. Though. That tight end is a stubborn creature, and I'm glad of that because you right now, the tight ends, to me are

the most impressive players on most professional football teams. I mean they are the studs of the squad. You look at Andrews from from the Ravens, I mean that guy right there. You look at the guy from the Pittsburgh Steelers, and not only do you have one, you've always got backup. It looks just like him. So you know that's I love it. They've got big studs at tight end, and

I hope they never go away. Well you know what if we and I don't mean to swerve off to the side of the road, but the tight ends last night in that National Championship game, they had a big hand in what went on. Yeah, and I And when I was watching that, I was going to ask Everson, It's like, so kind of teams normally cover the tight end because these days those types of tight ends they can't the running backs can't, I mean, the linebackers can't

run with them. Well, I would call the matchup that we always had with tight ends was our strong safeties. And now you're talking to Tom lad your defense, Uh even you're even doing it with when I went to the Giants with Belichick, no your strong safety is gonna handle that tight end. But let's just be real. We always made the tight end have to work his way off the line of scrimmage. Nowadays they just don't do that necessarily, you know. I remember Dexter clean Scale, Charlie Waters.

Uh god, I remember some great strong safeties that we had, Myron Guyton, Kenneth Jackson in New York. These guys had to match up with not just tight ends. We had strong safeties then Dvin Woodson, who could match up with wide receivers and running backs as well. So I don't know what's going on with the strong safeties these days, but that's the way it was back then. Probably no one wants to be a strong safety. They don't want

to have that type of assignment to deal with. And that's where a guy, I guess, on the Cowboys side, I know what we do want to talk about that that National Championship game last night, But on the Cowboys side, that's where having a guy like Jaron Curse helps out because he's a bigger bodied safety who has the coverage ability, has the physicality to be able to cover guys watching as well. I'm sorry Wilson as well, Yeah, both of those guys very athletic. But when we talk about jay

Ron Curves, very special. I don't know what Minnesota was doing when they got rid of him, but you're looking at a guy. I mean that's He's one of the best hybrid players that you can kind of put your finger on right now. He's like a Tyler Matthew type of guy. We don't use him necessarily like they would use Matthews, but he has that ability and he has made an extreme impact on this team. I would imagine he's probably top five in tackles on this team by four.

Oh no, he's number one. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty impressive. By the way, since you guys brought it up, we got a kind of an injury COVID update yesterday after our show obviously, and uh, you know, like everybody was coming back off COVID by Wednesday, and I think Jayron Curse might be the last one. I think Jerry and Mike said they are hoping to have him back by Thursday. Not only was he on COVID, but I think he

had a growing or a hamstring going on. Yeah hamstring, Yeah, And so they're hoping to have him back by Thursday, But the other COVID guys, Anthony Brown came off the COVID list, so they're they're hopeful that when they hit the practice field tomorrow that they'll be nearly at full strength, with the exception of Jayron Curve. So your guys are exactly right. And you know, and he owes dan Quinn whatever he makes next year in free agency, Quinn, dan

Quinn's working as curses agent. He's got a percentage of the cut coming to godfather. He's his godfather. Somebody finally figured out how to use them. Right, Yeah, that's right, that's exactly right. That's a good transition piece. Let's take our second break, because when we come back, let's talk about dan Quinn and some of the interview requests that have been flying his direction. Is that a big distraction to the cowboys or is it really not that big

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They do it that Saturday before the Super Bowl when they have the big show. Oh, the big honor show show. I was kind of I was at that show, but I was kind of listless. I just failed miserably in making the hall of face me to the Honors telling us, Hey, we gotta get ready. You know, you gotta go to the honor show. I'm like, man, you can't want it anymore. Yeah, we're a little pissed up here. We went to the show. We all our lips were hanging in our laps. We

would pissed. Man. So that that list of the running backs with tight ends, yeah, I mean touchdowns, I'm sorry. Where was Dan Reeves? Oh? So we were talking in the break and we were talking about most receiving touchdowns for a running back and a fullback for those of you listening, and we were talking about how actually Daryl Johnston and Dan Reeves had the most. Dan Reeves had seventeen, Darryl Johnston had fourteen. Who did you ask about? You

ask about Reeves? Just now? No? Yeah, So so I looked because I thought I remembered this after looking at his stats after he passed away last week, and in his first three years he had fifteen touchdown receptions until he tore up his knee. Wow, so that's just in three years. Three years. Yeah, Tom Landry always had certain players that he wanted to be in certain pos positions.

He would draw a place for players. I don't know if that was an ego thing for him to where it's like, well, I'm picking you because I think only you can do this when clearly everyone else could have done it could have probably done. But but you know, player coaches have their favorites, and Tom land You always had a certain type of player for a certain type of play in a certain situation, and that was pretty consistent throughout his entire coaching career. You know what, that

sounds a lot like what's that Dan Quinn? On the defensive side of things with Michael Parsons in company, I think That's a great transition because that's what dan Quinn has done all year along, right, Nick, Yeah, No, he has figured out roles for guys that he could sit them into what he's doing. Instead of saying, this is what I do, now, let me see who can do that. No, he looked and saw what guys could do and said, okay,

I'm going to do that. And that's what he did with jay Ron Curse, That's what he did with Michael Parsons. That's what he did with Layton Vanderesh. Yeah, and all the players that he brought over from the Falcons as well. The seat Yeah. Absolutely. And by the way, speaking of fullbacks, when's the last time you saw three hundred and sixty pounder line up at fullback like he did last night? I'm the goal line other than Connor McGovern, I guess

Connor's not even three sixty. Then nobody got pushing the one guy last night on Georgia. They said he lost forty pounds, he was still sixty and he ran a four sixty pounds. I'm like, man, I told my son, this guy runs faster than I ever ran and he's three sixty. That was unbelievable. Talking about the Georgia Bulldogs. Number ninety five kind of reminds me of Lakwan McGowan.

You remember that name at all? Probably not. He was the Baylor tight end during like the Art Briles runs where he was three eighty and he played tight end at three eighty were number eighty and everything. I remember him. He had a touchdown to Coton ball Michigan h where now, Oh I don't even know. Yeah, no idea, Hopefully it's okay. He was a legend and they put two of their guys on their goal line offense. What is fullback of?

What is sight in? And guess where the guy ran right between the Yeah, that was a fun game, Church coming out on top of LL tell you, I tell this bad right? No, I got it right. You guys were piggybacking, okay, Alabama? Yeah first, yes, exactly, So all right, nicky real quickly give us an update on what you've heard abround the offensive and defensive coordinators Dan Quinn Kellen Moore, both of which I feel like every time I opened up my phone, I get a notification that a team

is requesting to interview one of those two guys. What have you heard the latest well, I think the latest was Denver. Right, Miami just got on the phone. Miami just did it too for both of them, Right, dan Quinn for Miami is all I see. I could see dan Quinn a pretty good fit in Denver. I just

think that. But again, so these guys want to interview him, Right, But if I'm dan Quinn and I know what I went through as a head coach, I'm gonna be pretty picky on the situation I get myself into the second time, all right, you know. And I think Mike McCarthy probably was the same way. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm gonna get into a situation where there's a good general manager, the ownership is strong, and it's a it's a good organization. I think those are the things that you don't just

go to go right. You better pick someplace where you fit in awfully well. And Kyle we We I talked about this. I believe it was last week when we talked about Sean Payton when he had an interview with the Raiders and he just didn't feel comfortable in two thousand and five taking that job. I think he was a little iffy on the quarterback situation. And you know, you had to be a certain person to go in there with Al Davis. Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah,

when you talk to Al, that's a whole different field. Yeah, exactly. And so he feel like you're being threatened doing the interview. Yeah, and he turned the job down, and everybody's like, oh, you can't turn Al Davis down. You're you're committing you know, professional suicide. And then the next year he took the Saints job. In the rest is history. So I think if you're you know, especially if you're getting the second chance,

you just don't take anything. I think I'd be pretty particular and where I went and who I worked with, and I would darn sure make sure that either I have a quarterback or I've got a high draft choice to get one. Now, he was he was in a great place with Atlanta, you know, I mean, the ideal situation for him, quarterback situation. He had a defense that he could walk around, just like he's doing with the

Cowboys right now. Obviously he went to the Super Bowl away, we remember what happened there, But that was a great situation for him there. He's obviously he's very cagy about the choices that he makes and he won't do anything foolish at all. He's too old for that. Number one, it's too accomplished. And it also, Yeah, he had a great quote yesterday about you know, I like what I'm doing here and I'm trying to remember how he put it, and he goes, I'm damn sure going to do this

or that it was. It was. It was pretty good response to uh doing interviews, because he sounds like he would prefer, you know, if he's gonna do him or if he's gonna let it out that he's doing him, that he wants to do it at the end of the season, not in the middle of his playoff run. And maybe Kelly Moore is not in that same scenario. Maybe he's not in the same position. Kellen may take

these interviews here. He already took the Jacksonville interview, and because he is the younger guy has not been at head coach previously, he needs to get every avenue that he could be in order to be that head coach. But how much of a distraction is before we wrap things up, how much of a distraction could that be?

Mickey for a locker room like this, because Dan Quinn is making a stand saying I don't want to do this until after the playoff run is over, whereas Kelln Moore has already taken an interview and is probably thinking about a couple of these other spots as well. Yeah, And I think as long as you're doing virtually, uh you know, at some point at night, you're done working right good point and it's like or you know, the night before a game, when everything's settled. I don't think

that affects these guys. Just schedule it out. It's just schedule it out. Yeah, I mean, it's not like you're flying somewhere to go beat people. And you also have to understand these teams are going to interview ten people for the job, right, They're not going to just interview one or two and then make a decision. Uh. You know, it's like what the Cowboys did with my well no, when they hired when they hired, when they hired Wade Phillips. They must be interviewed ten different guys. There you go.

And a lot of that what Jerry was doing was picking other people's mind about his situation, his roster. He wanted to see what they thought of what he had and maybe where they were going right and so, and remember this was after Bill Parcels finally got him to

two consecutive winning seasons for the first time. Well, it would have been they had winning seasons in five o six they were both nine and seven, right, So you would have to go back to ninety five ninety six for the last time they had consecutive winning seasons because they had a losing season in ninety seven, they had a winning season in ninety eight they were five hundred and ninety nine, and then the three in a row five and eleven seasons, a winning season, a losing season,

and then those two winning seasons. So yeah, I think I'll put that on my mind. Spects tried to block that one out, block it away. Well, I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that. You guys don't think it's that big of a deal, because a lot of Cowboys fans are a little up in arms, and I think it's because they're they're safeguarding what they see as a great situation with Dan Quinn as the defensive coordinator,

Kelly Moore as the OC. I think at some point you got to look at it and say you're in a great spot to be in because they've been so successful. Because they're so so I don't finish it out. They're gonna finish it out. I think that's either way. Isn't worried about it. They're gonna finish the season. Yeah, they're not gonna like to like, college's not gonna go away because we got not gonna pull a Lincoln Riley before the al that's not happening. We're gonna stay intact until

this thing is done. Yeah, So that's good, you know, And I thought Jerry put it a good way. He said, he said, you know, when he goes, you know, he said, rest assured, he goes when you're sat successful. And he was talking about how the NFL is kind of Bill. He said, when you're successful, it works to the team that aren't successful meeting, they're going to come to the team that is successful and try to hire somebody and

he goes. And then on the other hand, when you're unsuccessful, it works that the team's advantage to be able to take advantage of the teams that are successful, and y'all, and that's kind of how the schedule goes, right, you know, that's how it works out. Gotta take advantage whenever you have that window of opportunity. But that's it for us here on Mick Shots Today. Mickey, are you back tomorrow? I maybe back tomorrow and appreciate you. Or I don't

think I'm back tomorrow. I haven't been told I'm back. I believe Bill will be here Tomorrow's But yeah for Everson Walls for Mickey's back, Nola for Chris Beam, I'm Kyle Yeoman's filling in for Bill Jones. We'll see you tomorrow on a new edition of Mick Shots, Gold, Cowboys and Kyle. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.