Mick Shots: Packing It in

What are you sporting today? I've got my Black College Hall of Fame all right over, which is gonna set the tone for what I want to talk all right. I can't wait to hear what Everson wants to talk about today. All the Packers that are in the Pro football I just read something they got twenty eight wow eight. But the Cowboys have a couple of Packers and they're in the Football Hall of Fame on them, but then they've been planned since nineteen thirty. Made the point to

say that he is not a Cowboy fan. I mean add, yes, he sure did. I saw the quote and he he was like, hey, you know, well he got raised by the Packers exactly. Yeah, and that was kind of the tone of his statement. He was he won all those Super Bowl I mean or NFL Championship games with the Packers. However, when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl in nineteen seventy one, and I've got my Cowboys, how many interceptions did herb Adderly have in that nineteen seventy one season

when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl? Why don't you tell us, Bill, I'm about to tell you. He had six picks that season, four the Dallas Cowboys. And now he's dissing on the Cowboys. Yeah, he kind of he kind of, you know, kind of distance, like like I dissed the Giants. I love that Giants team, but not that Giants fans. Alright, I kind of get it did one thing for you, It did one thing for him, just like it did one thing for her. Yeah, and now he was six. That's a cute number. That's a

nice cute number for interceptions. We got a nice tour behind us. I had seven and nine. So that's all he got with six a fourteen games with fourteen nine. You're gonna forced me to look up her Adderlay statistics on Pro Football Reference. In the meantime, Mickey Spagnola, Look at all this, You've got a full legal pad. These are Everson just noticed his adoring fans outside talking about myself. These are packet talking about myself. I'm distracted, ladies and gentlemen,

Everson Walls. Yes, they're taking pictures of you. Everson. There you go, all right, make you what do you say? I said, I got a whole list of Packer shots here for he grew up a Packers fan. Yeah, so we're not going to enjoy this too much. No, not at all surprised you don't have your Packer greening goal. But yeah, it was your letter Jack. No, I don't think I think they check you out the door when't you start winning stuff like I don't think I ever had.

I mean, that wasn't a thing to buy stuff back then, was there? At least not in your family? Yeah, well mine either, we were all Packer fans. But yeah, yeah, that was an expenditure week of afford. By the way, I'll guarantee you, um, okay, don't lose your tren So two numbers. Two numbers stood out when I was kind of looking at things. So in the Packers loss to

Detroit was fifteen to nine. Aaron Rodgers quarterback rating was fifty three point five thanks to three interceptions, the other one by a team that just fired their secondary right, the other one. I mean, that's firing everyone something ones that matter. Right, We're gonna get the D line code. Oh well, what did he do? What did he do? Not the defense of No, we're gonna get you. We're going he already the defense coordinator already quick he got he got fired when Matt Rule got fired. Back to

Packers and Rogers. His cap hit for this year twenty eight point five million. Next year he's guaranteed fifty nine million dollars. And the only way they get out of it is if he retires. Who didn't watch the cap hit? If he retires, Oh, the dead money. U it was going to be even more than the fifty nine guaranteed. So so a whole heap of trouble up there. Yeah, And that's what happens. And I'm gonna bring this back

to the Cowboys. And when you start signing these type of deals and then you're gonna moan that oohing, I know, well I need some wide receivers. Well, they can't afford wide receivers. They have about the same amount of cap space right now for this year as the Cowboys. The Cowboys is right at seven. There's a seven point seven million. So yeah, there's That's why it's a cautionary tale for this Odell Beckham junior stuff, because what I read is he's not just looking for a prove it deal for

the rest of this season. He's talking about, well, I would like to get someplace for four years and be able to buy a house and quit all this suitcase Karen stuff. Well, if he wants that, he ain't playing for cheap, right. So I mean when you start talking about a provid deal, Yeah, you start off with a proved contract, Well it's a five it's gonna be five games basically by time he's ready to play, right, and

then how who knows about playoffs? Right? So yeah, so you know they're up in the anne for you know, everybody's Cowboys are interested. Okay, we're interested. I'm gonna kick that tire, but I can't afford much because next year we talked about it, right, next year Dak's base salary goes up, You're gonna have to resign U Digs you're gonna have to resign Lamb at some point if you

don't want them playing in the far away. And then Carsons is coming up, right, so you gotta be careful full saying well, yeah, we're all in because we're gonna win the Super Bowl. Well, okay, the Packers were all in a couple of years ago when they signed Rogers, and now what kind of shaper they are? Mickey, You are a year away from Terrence Steele. Yes, yes, this is his third year. Huh, you got one more year and he's a free agent. Guess who else? Be oddish,

but I'm I'm talking. You're talking about a tackle in this league, yes, okay, yes, an offensive tackle in this league. And what do offensive tackles command, even if you're the right even if you're the right tackle, Yeah, I mean you're talking upwards of ten million dollars a year for your right and he's playing, well, he's playing well, yeah, he's playing, and no one talks about that contract. It's looming. And if you look at the rest of the league,

everybody's desperate for tackles, so somebody will pay them. Now, can you afford to pay them? Or you're gonna have to start from. I think the bare minimum, assuming Terrence deal is keeps playing where he's playing right now, is a three The bare minimum would be a three year, thirty million dollars. Yeah, that's what I had in my mind when you brought it up. Yeah, so you got to be careful how you spend your money. You know.

I had some cowboy fan said, well, I'm all in, just spend what you got to spend this year and try to win the super Bowl. And then I said, and then you're good for ten years of you know, maybe losing records like happening to some teams, or what if you spend all that money and you don't win the super Bowl and then you don't have money going forward. So I just think you have to be realistic about this stuff. You know, when you start talking about having

that much money available, how much you have available? And I brought up yesterday. I brought this up yesterday. So in the offseason, there's no more quarterbacks, you know, high play, high paid players donating to the to the Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they're taking as much money. They don't do that. They don't do that. Now do we do this? Is that in the makings? I mean because Rogers extension or three year deal that he resigned was three years, one hundred

and fifty million, forty point eight signing bonus. That means million fifty one hundred and fifty point eight guaranteed and one hundred and one point million guaranteed at signing. So yeah, he wasn't thinking about the team, right, He didn't consider that we got any money to pay a wide receiver. We can't keep DeVante items no matter if you're mad or not, we just don't have the finances to do it.

And not only that, his his offseason h participation was minimal, right, and that didn't help when it came to having the lack of receivers with I can experience and you you know, trying to get accustomed to how they play and having a rapport. You're going to have to raise young guys because it's not just this show not to address that much in the it's down the line. These are what you're gonna have to go with, you know. They signed

Randall Cobb and it wasn't that much. It was like he I think his base salary was two million dollars for a veteran like that. Well, unfortunately now he's on ir so, um, you know, they kind of made it, and he helped make that bed right now that they're in this three and six so can he can he remedy that in the off season by helping uh donate

to the cause. He would have to restructure significantly, but usually when you're your structure, you're getting paid some as a restructure bonus and you kind of move keep moving it down to kick that can down the road. Yeah yeah, but it doesn't get any less expensive. Well, he'll be retiring he turns thirty nine next year. Yeah, So I mean, does that sound feasible for thirty nine year old Hall of Fame quarterback highest paid right to go into a

situation like that this next offseason? Okay, this is my last special coming off of three and fourteen? Yeah? Yeah, oh I was reading there right now, not much optimism. I mean I was coming off a year like we anticipate him coming off of. Does that both well for a thirty nine year old future Hall of Fame quarterback to go into a situation where I'm going to restructure my stuff for this one last or one last time years? Yeah?

Does that does that sound feasible to you? No? Because if you're restructuring it, you're still what you said, kicking the money down the road. So at some point, you know, he may not get it, but the Packers are going to have to account for it, um, you know, and

they were. I was reading the Milwaukee Journal in the Green Bay Press Cuizette, and there was already columns about you know what if they it's like every game going forward, it's almost a playoff game for him right now, and that in twenty twenty three you have to consider, you know, you're going to blow it up to start over in twenty twenty three, at only nine games into the season,

they're already writing up there about blowing it up. And that's usually not a real aggressive media corps up there. I mean, I'm not saying they're fans, because I have a you know, decent guy friends with that has been covering them at the Milwaukee Journal for years. But they're just being straightforward. And you know, look, if you look at their their pattern in the last three or four years, the team and Rodgers have not been either eye on

pretty much anything. Well, you know what was funny somebody and I haven't found the story yet, but somebody said and we had him on last time to boys played the Packers. Remember Tom Silverstein. Um, he had written a story pointing out that you know how um everybody was writing at the end for Mike McCarthy up there in twenty eighteen that he and Aaron Rodgers weren't seeing eye to eye. Well, he wrote a story just recently how Rogers and Matt l Lafleur aren't seeing ida. I don't

think Rodgers ever sees either eye with anyone, right, yeah. So, uh so that that's already cropped up right, Um, you know, and yesterday and we'll get into the things Mike McCarthy said about going back. But you know, he kind of once again and kind of defended the relationship with Aaron Rodgers, saying, you know, he enjoyed the conversations. They had their meetings on Monday, and he said we usually ended with a hug and I love you, you know, and it's like, whoakay, hey,

let me tell you something. This is one thing that I have all as a defensive back. I guess I'm a little bit discriminatory because I hear things who are quarterbacks are always being am I using were placated towards I mean, we just kiss their butts over and over again. And don't ask a wide receiver to say anything bad about any quarterback, oh man, because he wants to get touches, he's gonna get front. So you know, to me, it's like it's like, you know, a taboo subject to talk about.

You know, it's like talking about race relationships. When you're talking about Aaron Rodgers are talking to a quarterback because all they want to do is just make sure he's happy. Don't say anything to upset the apple cart, and we'll be fine. And that is not the case, especially when you have someone that's combative, as saying Aaron Rodgers. These last three four years, it has been I'm over here, you guys handling your business. I'll come in when I'm ready,

and I'm gonna be because I am Aaron Rodgers. And to me, that is not a that's that's what you do with tennis players. That is not a team sport, is not a team sport attitude. And we give these quarterbacks, and yes I'm speaking strictly at quarterbacks, we give them too much leeway and too much benefit of the down. So real quickly, I know we're gonna run by h No, no, no, you covered it. Then I can add to that. You

nailed it. You absolutely nailed it. But I was going to say, and they're in this situation and now they've got injuries. Yeah, they lose Rashaun Gary. They're leading sack guy had six in the first six games and he hadn't had any sense, but he tore his ACL so he's done. There was a linebacker, Yeah, I saw that the other night that their cornerbacks Eric Stokes has an ankle and knee and he left the game on Sunday in a walking boot and crutches, so that doesn't seem

bode well for him. Their wide receiver Romeo is it Dobbs? Is that how they pronounced it. He's a rookie, right, Yes, he's got a high ankle sprain, so he's out a couple of weeks at at least. Right. Their other rookie wide receiver, Christian Watson, was big on Bill's list. He had suffered, he had he had suffered a concussion, He had to miss a game. He came back this pass game and he got knocked out of the game. They said it wasn't a concussion, but he couldn't finish the game,

so they're saying he might be back this week. And then running back keep going, and running back Aaron Jones left the game with a knee and they're saying, and he didn't return, they're saying he has a chance to come back. And the backup running back DILLONJ. Dillon, how's he doing because I think he can play because he had a running in with someone doing the game and it was it wasn't pretty. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, he wasn't on the list that Lafleur went over. Run okay,

and Aaron Jones sounds like he's going. Yeah, they think he has a chance to get back. Yes, so they've got their in not only losing five straight. How does that happen to the teams that always have problems winning, they always have a lot of injuries. It seems yeah, well maybe that was my temperature to keep going up. That sounds about right, sound about right. And I was laughing about Christian Watson because we and Mickey's Mickey's acting

like he wasn't on. No, I was. I liked what I saw I did, so I was a lot in until the first play of the season when he dropped at a judgment. Oh yeah, yes, that guy Okay, I mean that was the turning point, the turning point of the Packers season. I think I know it was the first series, might have been the first play of the season, and Aaron Rodgers hit this guy in stride right in the hands, and it took me right back to draft day when I was touting this guy. And supposedly producers

Supreme can vouch for this. Uh, there are scouts around the league who said, no, that guy can't catch. Well, you know what happens though at that time. You you know, unless you watch all the games, you see the highlights and you're going on, this guy's pretty big, and somebody in the scouting department said, well, he is what we saw. He was very inconsistent catching the ball. He has a chance still to be a really good well cha Chase, Chase.

He had problems, yeah, coming out of college and in preseason last year, and then all of a sudden they started catching everything in sight. You can't always go by that. Yeah, the drops kind of get pushed through the side in college, right, and it's like, oh, look at the yards, look at the catch. And Watson has had some injury issues the first half of the season. You know, you can't be as a wide receiver. You can't be, you know, fifty fifty like I'll catch another thing on you can bat

and it's really good. And I always say you can't bat five hundred. In the journalism business, you can't be fifty fifty intelligent right or wrong? Right? And the other thing on Watson in the defense of us who thought that he had some potential in the league, the emphasis was on the potential in the league, not as a guy who could come in because he I think he may have just had like thirty eight catches in college in North Dakota State. They didn't throw the ball much,

you know. I mean, you see how the North Dakota State quarterbacks are doing in the league, right, ye? Come on, but Carson Wentz, Yeah, yeah, that will you. I and c that's good. And Trey Lance out in San Francisco, that's er you're referring to. All right. I would get much to get into, including an emotional Mike McCarthy yesterday at cross conference when we come back on mix shots at a moment. The Medal of Honor is our country's

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I really want to know what the Runey rule. M How was that applied towards this Indianapolis Colts signing or hiring of Jeff Saturday, because sounds like to me that was just like like a good old boy situation going on up there. I don't think it applies to interim. Interim, that's what it is, okay, because you don't have time to do a search during the middle of the season sometime most candidates are under contract elsewhere. Yeah, would you consider that a loophole? No, because I bet it's just

for the rest of the season. So what if he does well, well, then then they need to have then your full search regardless. So they will not be allowed necessarily just paper stamping to just say, hey, you we want he want out. Let's say he has a one record on the way out, we want you for next year. I think they have to go through They have to go through the process. Now. They can't just say, Okay, we don't need anybody else. Well you know what I

mean to research that. It's like what did the Cowboys do with Jason when they elevated him to coach and then they signed him to twenty ten. But Jason was a coach the staff, right, they have basically even though he was he was coaching high school Catholic sports or whatever. Yeah, he was the NFL. They technically went outside the organization to hire this interim by what do you mean by

Catholic sports? Yeah, that was Yeah, I guess that did kind of make a sound little private derogatory, right, And I don't know and I don't know if he actually he he wasn't currently the private school coach. Yeah. Why was that even mentioned? Because experience? Right now? I think no, he wasn't saying that was his coach. I thought he was going to have to retire from coaching the high school team. Okay, he didn't walk away from so he

does have coaching. He does have coach experience. Experience. Wow, I stand corrected, and go back to I stand corrected. Yeah, I tried a private school. You know what Doug Peterson when he before he was hired by now, he wasn't hired as a head coach right out right from the private school in Louisiana where he was coaching, but he was after he retired from the NFL. And he's probably his kids got probably the same thing Jason Witten's doing at Liberty Christian in ar here, where he coached at

a private school in Louisiana. I don't remember how many years, three or four years, and then the Eagles hired him, I think as an assistant and then he eventually became the head coach there. So so if you have a if you if you search for him interim coach just for lack of time, you can just go eat any by the end, there we are candidates right here that

come on, yeah, thank you, come on, wisdom. Arizona did it with Steve Wilkes when whoever got fired in Arizona and he was the interim, well he came to head the full time head coach. Done it? Now? Where did it come from? What was his Carola? Carolina, Carolina now but in Arizona, Carolina before going the Arizona What was he before he became the Arizona's interim coach? Wasn't he a him there? Or the day? He's the interim in Carolina right now right now, but not in Arizona and Arizona.

What was his his background before he became interim No, he's saying he wasn't interim Carizona, I thought taken from that and once again, even he had NFL experience, whether he was see he defensive. Once again, you know this is different here. I mean everything you're bringing up, it's almost close to protocol. But you can just hire anyone. When I say anyone, we are candidates the Cowboys. Cowboys could do the same with Jason Witten if they wanted to.

So they need or Mickey Spagnola in regards to the ruining, in regards to the ruining rule and really how it's applied, that to me is almost the loophole. You know that. That is a great example. Okay, I'm not obviously the things are going great here right now. But Jason, now, Jason Witten is actually coaching right now. And I don't know how long Saturday coached at this private school till Sunday. I think, yeah, But but if Yucky I got you,

I'm trying to stay yeah, I'm trying to stay focusing ahead. Anyway, Witton and Saturday are that those are two of them. Yeah, very similar situations. Like if ever three years from now, four years from now, Jerry was looking for an interim head coach, Whitten would be a prime candidate and that is BS. I mean, I love Witten. And once again, everyone talks about what a great guy Saturday is because I see him on TV. Everybody loves he's smart, He's yeah, he's a great guy. You know, he was a sener

for Peyton Manning, so he knew the game. He knows the game very well. But you know, this is to me a very convenient loophole for the NFL. Well, you could be hired as the room once again, let's be realistic here, okay, because it just to me that's something that really needs to be addressed. Let's say a coach gets gets fired on in week two and then you bring in an interim, and that interim is someone who clearly should not be be coaching. Well, here's a sort

of a parallel. It's not a coach, but it's a GM John Lynch was hired from the broadcast both to become the San Francisco and who was doing a great job. But it's not that's not it's not about after the fact. It's the practice. Is the high having practices that should be adhered to from the beginning, And when you start talking about interrim coach, to me, that ain't nothing but a loophole. So Jeff said, He's like, Okay, I can't find anybody out there that really would be a qualified

head coach head coaching candidate. Since I'm consulting you, guys, why don't you just go ahead and pay me that two plus meal or whatever they're paying it. Well, did they talk about how much he's being paid? You would you would have broad because we're talking money here, guy. Did they talk about how much money he got paid for? It has to I'm sure they've agreed on something already because he is now the interim head coach, so it's been agreed upon. Your broadcast experience on the podcast would

be experienced, right. See, but I'm waiting, Jerry. You know I could be assistant head coach with right now. I could be that that gown his shoulder every once in a while. You know, I could do that. So No, I just think it's something that as we look at it, Uh, it can be a problem because now this interim head coach, even though he was never qualified to be an interim head coach, if he does well, which would be great for him, then it almost kind of gives him a

head start in regards to next year's position. Do you understand? Yeah, And that to me should be addressed in the Rooney rule. I've got to intrim head coaches should be addressed in the Ruoney. Go ahead, Okay, I've got cleared up on Jeff Saturday. In his previous coaching experience at Catholic school, this little lightness which otherwise notice hebrun Christian Academy, Georgia.

There you go. Yeah, twenty seventeen he became the head coach there, and he was there seventeen eighteen nineteen, three years and then he resigned. He had a twenty and sixteen record to make the playoffs. Every year he won three playoff games. So there you go. There's this coaching experience. So I mean, now we're talking about you know, John Lynch, who first of all, doing a great job, great guy, great jobs, smart as hell. You know, San Francisco is

doing well because of him. How he got hired Still we don't know how or why. Number one, we don't even want to talk about Kingsbury. We don't even want to talk about that. This guy got fired. Right, you talked about falling uphill and getting a job in the NFL. It's about to fall again. Yeah, he's about to fall in there, right on out of there. So, I mean, it's just really something that should be buttoned down in

the Rooney Rule. It really should be I think it needs to be revitalized or I don't know, sometimes somehow retooled to where it's more effective, because it's really not as effective as it should be, especially when you're talking about this loophole. This is a loophole that I'm sure some teams are aware that is there in the Rooney Rule when you're talking about into them coaches. But it's it's a temporary higher how temporary not just temporary, but temporarily. Uh, yes,

get bread. We're talking money here, man. You throw away money to a guy who coach even barely five hundred in high school. Speaking of throwing away money, did you see how much Frank Reich's making sitting on his couch after they fired him. Yeah, he's making two hundred thousand dollars a week till twenty twenty six. Oh damn, wow? How much is Matt rulemaking about that much? Wow? That's better than a pension? Wow? Yeah, two hundred thousand dollars

a week till twenty twenty six. I read and so when you're talking about it an organization as the NFL, and how the most popular game in town, Let's just be real. Baseball basketball can't compare, and you're just letting them throw away money like this, just throw it around. To me, that needs to be addressed, because it's like you don't care that this guy is not qualified at all and you're just throwing him millions of dollars. I

know he's getting at least two meals. And to me, I just it's just something that just as as Jane Staller, you say, chaps my ass, and I'm sorry it does. Somebody got talked to him. Let's go get some salve for him, because is it okay? My bad? I need some salve here? We are all right? An emotional Mike McCarthy when we come back here on, I'm emotionally too. Damnit. We paid how much for those lessons? She's doing great? Oh yeah, totally. Can you pass me a Pepsi's zero sugar,

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local vendors. Visit the Star District dot com for more information. Nice Okay, Everson, You're gonna love this segment. Okay, We're talking about going home. We're talking about Mike McCarthy his press conference yesterday. He's going back to Green Bay. Okay, Mickey, tell us fill us in on your thoughts on Mike. When he was asked about going home, well, I'm going there to win, you know, And he stayed with it.

And the other thing that the players got out of it was he said that you should go back and reflect on what you did that was home, that helped propelled to where you are today. And it kind of stuck with some of the players. I think Tyler Smith was really good about it. He said, yeah, sitting here and thinking where I came from and what I did and now I'm starting in the NFL, I reflect on what got me here. Uh. And then they kept probing at him, and at one point he said, this is BS.

You're just trying to get me to cry. He was about to cry, right, he got. He got emotional, got he talked about his daughter was born there, daughters grew up there, and then that's when he still have their place there, and that's when he started. And then he had to do this. You can tell the tears were tears welling, and then he had to hit the podium

recomposed man. Yeah, yeah, but it was, you know, and I understand cool, you know, And that's was one of the questions I was going to talk about you, because I don't think you had much remorse maybe. Oh wait, wait, that's where I wanted to go. All right, so don't let me stick Bill stop. Yeah, yeah, it's spoiled it I was about. I was about to say, do we know of anyone who was let go unceremoniously at a place and then came back and then back. I don't

know of anyone like that. One thing I can say, as we move on to the obvious, one thing I can say is mine was more of an anchor revenge, you know, so I didn't have time to get emotion. In nineteen ninety when the schedule came out, was there a game that you circled on the schedule? Of course, it was the second game of the year, but one of them, the first one was the second game of the season, and it was at Texas Stadium coming home.

Foreverson Walter, I'm gonna get my licks in right now because from what I heard, Jimmy Johnson wrote the book, and I'm interview any tomorrow. So I'm sure he got some bass in there. I gotta I just got my copy yesterday in the mail, and and uh, interviewing tomorrow morning. Is there something you'd like me to ask? Damn, you can ask you. I need a copy of the Boy, but no, uh, yeah, my whole thing was And speaking

of Jimmy, yeah it was. It was all about coming back, and uh, I don't need much motivation, but I knew that it would be sweet to come back and not just kick the cowboys, but but to get to let him know what he already knew. Yeah, that that, you know when it was one of those premeditive examples exactly, and I did not like. I didn't like being used as an exact. I was here before you were here. No one knew of Jimmy Johnson. I was born here,

you understand. So for him to come in try to make all these arrangements and stuff I was really didn't appreciate. And that's what I brought back with me to it. But you want to make sure that your anger doesn't overwhelm you, right, you want your anger to be to be fuel, but you will still want to be poised. And everything you did, and I had a hell of a game that game interception. Of course, come on, that's

what I do. You were what you weren't out, You weren't out on the field gritting your teeth and going, okay, it's in your preparations probably right, like I gotta be prepared for this. But the funny thing is after the game. You know, Jimmy's so emotional man, that's well, that's his strength and his problem is his emotion. And so he felt somehow that he had to come in and shake my hand first before he shook plus Sal's hand after

the game. And you know, I took that as a matter of respect but also somewhat regret from him, like, yeah, maybe I did screw up man. You know, that's why he was trying to catch up with me here lately and finally caught up with me and apologized for cutting me. Oh really, oh he did, And he said he had a couple of other apologies as well. He said they never should have gotten rid of Jack del Wiel as well when he let both of us go. He said I should have stayed as safety and helped the young

guys in that secondary. And he also said that Jack Deliel should have hung around and helped with those young linebackers as well. Well. He would have been the best linebacker, right because he went through ninety one del Rio if I remember, and he would have been better than Robert Jones, who they drafted in the first round and probably regretted it didn't get a second contract. Right. But Jimmy had a way of trying to send messages through some of

his actions. Yeah, and he's still trying to send messages publicly about me, which I don't appreciate at all because he's rewriting history in regards to our encounters. So I'm sure the book will have something to say about that. I can't. I played in my book as well. So he has a chance to fire back. That's his thing, he has that right, But we all we both know

the truth, Jimmy. And by the way, and this if this works out for McCarthy the way it did for Everson going home, all right, Giants won that game over the Cowboys twenty eight to seven, and Everson had an interception. You know, they had to pick six in that game. Lauren Taylor did all right. It was so I'm going on the record already. Micah Parsons is gonna have a

pick six in McCarthy's return to Green Bay. Okay, Now, McCarthy did say in in the you know, he said despite they asked him about leave, you know how it ended, and he said, yeah, there was a dent in the relationship. But again, uh, it's not he made it sound like it wasn't about the Packers. It's the people that he left behind. And when I think about going from you know, and I didn't get fired, but I left Jackson to come to Dallas, And when I think back about those days,

it's not so much who I was working for. It was the people that I met and was hard to leave um. And so I can imagine for him thirteen years. Do you realize that's the second longest tenure of a Green Bay Packers coach. Wow? Only Curly Lambeau had more. And I think he probably was the owner at the time too. They got the stadium after so, but he was there longer, but his thirteen years outdid Lombardi And

there really no Rooney rule back then. The owner look at George Hollis, right, you know, but when when you know, and that's never lost on me, is how the people done just football players and athletes. Yeah, you know, everybody's got this story man, right, and this impactful. I mean, you have to move, you have to pick up how many times we talked about this? How many times have you had to change jobs? I mean that's just too many times in your life that you've had to do that.

So I never look at athletes as anyone specially it had to go through that because everyone's story. To me, man, it kind of it makes you what you are right now. Whatever you went through, that's why you who you are right now. That's why we got mixed shots right now, that's right, because you had to go through that crap you had to go through. And what I'm saying something,

everybody's got that story that that motivates them. I had one forced leaving in one basically terminated, right, and I was like, okay, I'll go back and show that and you're still here, damn right, And I was my motivation,

that's right, And that's the feeling you got. One was like just making things miserable, and it was the best thing to happen because it gave me the motivation to move on and see which one from Columbia, Missouri, Jackson, Mississippi, but see that there's the anger there, but that you didn't take that anger didn't defeat you. You're using this fuel. It was my motivation. That's it. And by the way, and nine, I don't know if I showed him, but

well you're still here. You showed yourself. That's by the way. In nineteen ninety, when Everson Walls returned to Dallas and the Giants were victorious in that second game of the season, what happened at the end of that season. Everson Walls walked off the field victorious in the Super Bowl. And so if history can play out with Mike mccarthur the same way, you got me right, I'm setting I'm getting right now. I think I think Bill's got his pick and pick click. It's going to be he's gonna pull

the strings, you know what we need to do. Maybe tomorrow. Oh yeah, we're at the halfway point of this season. Yeah, right, basically right now unofficial, I mean halftime of the game on Sunday, I mean the exact half the other night. Think about where the Packers are, where the Bucks are. I think the Packers were my team to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl at the beginning of the year. We need to at the halfway point pick who's going

to be in that Super Bowl. And it is not easy coming up with a team from the NFC, No, it's not. I think we need to refine it a little bit better than that. Like who's the favorite right now? Well, the Eagles would be the favorite right now? Team yeah, right right, and yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so and you and we look at because it's the halfway point. Yeah, I mean, the Cowboys are sitting there six and two and the coach that was on the hot seat and right now in the freezer now and okay, let's do

it even more than that. Let's not just not just that, but how about the MVP right now in the in the I like it. I like it, and then you know, at the halfway point and then we'll figure it out at the end of the season. Just how things changed. But even the AFC, now, Josh Allen's hurt. I mean, this is a UCL that's a Tommy John type injury, and so the landscape is changing in the AFC too. That's what makes this unbelieving. The second time though, right

having the problem with that, yeah, the second time elbow elbow. Yeah, So anyway, all right, so uh and then of course we'll dive deep into these packers as the week goes on. Here, we've kind of done that, we might talking about the Cowboys and so anyway, we will shout at you again tomorrow at noon here on Shot Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.