Mick Shots: More Than Just A Draft

able to still do this podcast. It's so good to see your faces. You know what it feels like we're together. You know, we've been getting ready for the show and talking for about fifteen twenty minutes, so I feel like I'm just across the table from you guys. Everson, I feel isolated. I'm in a room by myself. I feel like I'm in a cave. But it's still good to see you guys. Well, just the way, we've been able to do all of our podcast virtually with the help

of our engineers and our great, our great staff. You know, we've got Chris Beam and Matt Kent helping us out with this, the Cowboys coaching staff and scouting department has been working closely with the IT department, doing all of their interviews and meetings virtually. And last week the NFL had announced that this draft is going to be all virtual and they're actually going to be doing a mock draft to kind of run out some of those kinks because as great as technology is, we know that it's

not always the most reliable. So hopefully those mock drafts will be able to help things run more smoothly. Because the draft is only one week away from today. You know what, God blessed the Internet because if we didn't have the Internet, we wouldn't be doing all this stuff and there probably wouldn't be a draft that we could see. So it's a good thing. Twenty years ago or so, this thing got really popular, and that's the way this

whole thing's gonna work. And you know, as I've been telling people, Danny and Everson, that probably the most valuable people in this draft will be the IT departments because they gotta be perfect. They can't make a mistake. Well, I tell you what, the way my draft situation went, it's pretty much what they're going to be looking forward to I didn't get drafted, so hey, you know, they just brought me my contract in my dormitory, you know, so this is kind of good. This is gonna be

almost like a free agent experience. Please guy, But they're gonna get paid big money. As much as I love seeing that first round and everyone goes up on stage, I do love seeing those videos of when the players are at their homes and they're surrounded by family and friends. Now it'll be a little different. You can't have a

party of forty fifty people they're celebrating. But I do love seeing those videos of when they get the phone calls and you're just surrounded by your closest family and friends, and it's really intimate, those people who have been there with you every step of the way to get getting up phone call. Well, guys, that will not What I will not miss is looking at all the crazy suits that they're going to be having on as they walk up to the podium and get their head and they

meet the commissioner. I will not miss the colors. I will not miss the ostrich shoes and loafers that they're going to have long. Yeah, you know what they might wear the same suits at home. What you think everyone will be dressed up at all? And absolutely right, Mamily Sunday, Easter Sunday, They're gonna be looking like Easter Sunday and they're gonna be all dressed up in the living room. You know, guys, this almost reminds me of the first draft I sort of took place, or took part in.

It was back before ESPN and any of the TV stations started broadcasting, and there was no radio. It was back in nineteen seventy nine. I thought you gonna say nineteen seventeen. That's what it sounds up nineteen seventy nine. Emmerson at Kelen Winslow. I was in Columbia, Missouri, and the Cowboy, the Missouri tight end Kelen Winslow, was expected to be a first round draft choice. So he invited us, the guys that were covering the team, invited us over to his apartment to wait for him to get the

phone call so we could be there, right. So we all show up at his apartment and so it's at the end of the semester. He had his phone turned off, he didn't have any phone service, and he's like, how am I going to find out right. So we ended up going into the newspaper newsroom and we were watching the draft on the APT teletype machine, and you know, it would come over that, you know, at number two, so and so took somebody. At number three, so and

so took somebody. And I could see the life was draining out of his face because it got into nine and ten and he hadn't have been drafted yet, and it was like, oh, this is starting to get embarrassing, right, and then twelve rounds. Then it was seventeen rounds back wow, if you can remember, imagine that. So it got to the pick number eleven in the first round and it comes over the teletype machine, the ap wire machine and says San Diego Chargers select Missouri tight end Kellen Winslow.

And it couldn't have gone to a better place, right, remember with uh the offense that they were the air Correale and the Chargers. Yeah, and he's thinking, oh man, I am a tight end in the slot, right, And so he's real calm, and he does the whole interview and everything, and we walked outside of the newsroom outdoors and he let out the biggest blood curdling yell. You ever seen. He was just screaming, celebrating, right, And it went from how am I going to find out how

I get drafted? And we figured it out and that's how he found out. Watching it in the Missouri and newsroom, It's almost like you guys were dealing with pigeons back then, Maggie. I have no doubt in my mind that the players being drafted probably don't even turn their cell phones off. Ever, they just leave them on and they continually charge him.

So that doesn't worry me. With the Cowboys guys, there seems to be news and I'll put that in quotes pretty much every week, right, And this week the news was about quarterback Dak Prescott, and it wasn't about whether or not he's going to sign that franchise tag or if he had a new deal. It was reports that he had had a large party and had people over at his house and that the cops were called to break it up, and he made a statement saying that that wasn't sure at all that he was following the

guidelines of having ten or fewer people. They had brought food in. There was a picture that was I think originally said it was at his house it was a table that was set with napkins and everything else you need. It turned out to be a picture of the restaurant they had ordered from, and it just you gotta think, like to other quarterbacks and other teams deal with this kind of stuff. If you don't play for the Dallas Cowboys,

welcome to be in the Dallas Cowboys quarterback. I gotta safe spags that he's been half he's been drawing a little bit of attention to himself by having these closed door practices with this right, right, have you been seeing those Well, yeah, I have seen it. And again I'll guarantee you other quarterbacks can be doing this, right, But if you're the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, you gotta

understand the scrutiny you're under. And if you think about it, previously, all his scrutiny has been good, right, everything's been great, the charity, this this and this. Uh And now suddenly I think he's coming in the realization that when you're the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, you don't have a personal life anymore. Everything you do is under scrutiny. No matter what you do, what you say, I mean, Tua is help holding workouts, right, and no one's criticizing him

because it's interesting, right, But it's the Cowboys quarterback. And think about it. Go back to Don Meredith. You know, he found it out. Craig Morton found it out. I think the only guy that really escaped this and I didn't live through it was probably Roger Staubach and he was so squeaky clean and they probably couldn't find anything about him. Well, you know Rogers, Rogers, Rogers pet Pete was. He loved basketball, right, and so he would always participate

in hoop it up back in the day. And he didn't care who he was playing against. It could be other football players, it could be brothers from the hood. Roger loved basketball. He loved the competition. Now, another quarterback that did get into it with their organization, that was Mahomes. If you recall after the Super Bowl, he's out there showing showing his who game. I think he dunked on somebody or was going to the hole. And as soon as the Chiefs found out about that, then they gave

him a call as well. And that was very recent and it was like, no more basketball for you, mister Mahomes. And yeah, so you know what you could This was before you know. I don't know if you were aware or not, but the story goes when when Walk Garrison first signed with the Cowboys. So we're going back into the mid to late sixties. Uh, you know, he was he was a rodeo guy. He was a cowboy before

he became a cowboy. And he was continu inuing to participate in rodeos during the season, Like on Saturday night he would he would leave the hotel and go perform in Mesquite and then come back. And somebody, somebody did a story. They say, those were men with men. Okay, that's when men were men. That's not these little powder puffs to have these days. Somebody somebody did a story of it, took a picture, put it in the paper

and said, hey, how neat is this? The Cowboys are letting their player participate in the rodeo and then play football the next day. Well Tom Landry found out about it, and it was like, Walk, there will be no more rodeos than night before day. So can you know what the rodeos, I don't know what's tougher the rodeos of the game. I mean, which one do you think when his life and he was safer. Yeah, he was death whist man. This guy like a death whist. That was

that was crazy. That was crazy. I mean he was roping, so he you know, they roped the calfs, jumped off the horse and kind of tie them up, right, and it's like, are you kidding me? But yeah, that was so Anyway, going back to the scrutiny, and if you think about it, think about what Tony Romo went through, and he understood it that anytime he dated a celebrity, you know that people found out. And then he went on vacation, right found I mean you got Rodeo and

you have Cancoom. Okay, right, there's there's there's a big difference between that. And we just went off on Romo

for going to Cancoom. So hopefully for for Dak, you know, this doesn't get him to the point where he starts closing everybody off and becomes, you know, too self conscious of everything he does, even in the locker room, because if you think about it, what happened with Romo, I mean, he was the best quote ever and then he realized I can't say anything either way because people can interpret it.

However they want so he said a lot and said nothing, and that was unfortunate, and you hope that doesn't happen the dak with it now now he talks a lot. Yeah, right, and he's getting paid a lot, so talking about making up for it. I think. Earlier this week Tom Pessera with NFL Network had announced that the NFL and the NFLPA they're figuring out ways to do a virtual period

for the off season starting Monday, April twentieth. So facilities won't be open, but this is going to a lot of clubs to start having meetings and going over plays and schemes. And that's going to be really important because the Cowboys have a new coaching staff and so they've got a lot of things they need to work through and they no longer have that advantage of having extra time in this off season program compared to teams that

didn't get a coaching staff over overhaul. And so, Mickey, what do you think is going to happen with Prescott bring in terms of if he's going to sign this franchise tag and if he's going to be logged in on those virtual meetings? Yeah, you know what think about this? You don't have to leave your house right you can sit like we're sitting right now and turn on your screen and be there as the meeting's going on. I don't know how valuable those type of things will be.

I'll let Everson kind of speak to that, But all I'm thinking is they're going to pay you somewhere around two hundred and fifty three hundred dollars a day to sit there like we're sitting here right now, and you don't have to do anything physical. I mean, I understand, okay, I need some leverage, and if I don't do this, maybe they'll sign me to what I want. But is it that valuable you think Everson to participate in those things. I think it depends on where you are in your career.

You know. If you're talking about Dak, No, it's not valuable at all, you know. I think I look at this something where you know he understands the game very well. We all know that you just passed some more yards than anybody last year. You know. I don't think taking in a new system virtually, no, I don't think that that will affect him at all. Now, if you've got some quarterbacks that are trying to learn a whole bunch of new things. They hadn't had a good year, They're

coming to a new team. Yeah, then all of a sudden, you're you're looking at it as a very inconvenience. I would say, but for Dad, No, I wouldn't think they would make a difference for him at all. And I got away Danny. He could turn this into a positive. So he could say, Okay, I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna take my perdam and I'm gonna go buy lunches for the nurses and Baylor, Scott and White, and

he could be a hero. Right instead of causing us think and say no, I'm not taking part in those things, he could actually turn the thing on without even showing himself on the screen and listen, right, that's what I'm going to sing. When I work with you guys, I'm

gonna do good. Scott. Well, ever since I have to say I think I disagree with you about it won't be valuable because I mean, Dak is still working with Kellen Moore, he's working with Doug nus Meyer, who's not gonna be the quarterbacks coach who was working with the tight end. So he has some familiarity there, but this is still otherwise a new coaching staff and Mike McCarthy and dealing with a lot of different, different, little subtle things in the game. And I do think that this

will be valuable. I think this the meetings and kind of showing his face and all of that stuff. I think this will be valuable for him if he is on those calls. I understand the leverage of if this role happening in person, he wouldn't be there more, you know, because he hasn't signed that tag. And but if you're not having to leave your house and you're just logging in and you're trying to you know, the meetings are what's important for him to make sure that everyone is

on the same page. Assuming the season starts, it's on time. So I think it would be valuable for him to show his faith in those I think that takes the value away just a little bit. I don't think we're going to have a season this fall, and so there's no urgency in this regard the fact that everything is changing, the fact that he has to do this all virtual. Well, that also the same reason that I think the season is going to be in jeopardy because of everything that

we're dealing with. If they were coming up for the fall, you might be right, you might have a case, Danny, But I think that everything is going to be pushed back to where eventually they're going to have the meetings that they need to have before this season even starts. But at this point, at this point, I just don't think it's that important. You know. I think I kind

of agree with sort of with both of you. I think it would help to be a part because they're going to probably be putting in some new stuff, But I don't think it's going to help to the point that if he's not there, it's going to create leverage and the Cowboys are gonna go, Okay, yeah, whatever you want. Yeah, we're gonna sign you to this because we want you to be part of these meetings. He's not going to gain any leverage by doing it. All he's getting himself

is some poor publicity about the whole thing. Well, we've got a lot more to talk about still. The draft is only one week away from today, so we're gonna talk a little bit about those players. We're gonna go back in time too. We're gonna talk about someone on this podcast with his draft and it's not Mickey, So stay dude, we'll have more for you right after the break. I'm Jay Novachik, former tight end for the Dallas Cowboys.

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Star and Danny Everson. This isn't quite a read, but I just wanted to tease the story feature story that I'm going to have up today on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. It's taking a look back at the nineteen ninety draft thirty years ago, and it will be thirty years ago next this coming Wednesday, when the Cowboys made the decision to draft Emmett Smith, and everybody thinks, oh, look what

the Cowboys did at number seventeen, they got Emmett Smith. Well, there's a backstory there that I think everybody that's not familiar with that draft will be surprised on how the Cowboys basically tried to do everything they could to not draft Emmett Smith, and in the end they said, ah, you know what, let's just take this running back from the University of Florida, So pay attention. I think it's a pretty interesting also. Kind of after that draft thirty

years ago, Everson Walls made a big decision. The Cowboys basically told him that they weren't having him back. I'll let him explain that story. It was nineteen ninety and Everson, you had a bunch of teams interested in you, and you took a while before you made the decision on where you were going to sign and continue your career. Yeah, that was thirty years ago. Wow, that's great. I think my head was great even then. But now I recall a couple of teams. That was the Seahawks. The Seattle

Seahawks wanted me badly. That's when Tom Floyd's was the GM there, of course, of the former Great Raiders coach, and he had moved up to Seattle change teams and he had the GM job up there. And I had never worked I never worked out on Sam and the base turf as that was the weirdest workout I've ever had. The turf itself was sand based and it had lumps in it. You know, it wasn't even it had lumps in like like it was natural grass or something. So I'm thinking to myself only in Seattle can you have

sand based turf. I don't think any other team ever had that. I went up there and worked out. Tom wanted me bad. I knew at that time I knew where I was going. I acted like I didn't know where I was going, but I knew exactly where I was going. I was not going to go to Seattle. I knew, I knew where my plans were. I had to play behind that front seven they had in New York. There's no way I was and I'm pretty sure I

made it right decision. So I noticed before deleting up to the draft, when I was researching the image story that we were writing about you and the decisions you had to make, and it looked like the Giants or the Seahawks wanted you to decide before the draft so

they could alter their draft accordingly. And then at the last minute I think I read or I don't know if it was accurate, and you could tell us now that the Rams kind of got a little bit interested in you, but you didn't make your decision until after the draft, when the Giant listened. I was a free agent right, Not only that I was, I was not. I was never even out of high school. I was never held it. That was my time to take my recruiting trips. Okay, that's all that was. I wanted to

go fly, man, I want to go to Seattle. I've never been to Seattle. Seattle. Then they it's free to they taking me to New York. Come on, man, the big apple. I wanted to go there and have a good time. Man. I knew exactly what I was gonna do from day one. I just wanted to milk it. That's all. I just wanted to milk it. Well you did, because I think you stretched it out. I think the draft that's twenty second and he signed on the twenty eighth or something like that. So was your contact with

the Giants? Was it right with Bill Parcels or did who? Yeah? I called Bill myself. I called Bill. I called Bill, and it's so funny he answered the phone. There was no secretary. I probably called at the perfect time. And you know, you have to put on the air of confidence. I mean, I don't know if Bill wanted me to not, but I acted as if I was, you know, hot stuff. You know. So we're on the phone and I'm not

calling them Coach Parcel. I was like, hey, Bill, it's everything you know, So you know, I tried to be are and player at the same time. It worked out pretty good. So you didn't have your hair is not gray and those pictures. Oh you got a little real close, Danny, you got a little real close. My just the man wasn't even invented yet, I don't think. So. Yeah, it was tough. And then the bottom line on that decision is Everson goes on to win a Super Bowl that

year with the Giants. So good decision, right, Oh yeah, Seattle was no whether to be found in the playoffs that year, So yeah, I think I made a good decision. And Mickey, when you were covering the Cowboys, there was some mornings that broth that same week. Yeah, absolutely, And Everson probably remember this. Um the Cowboys were gonna move

on from Ed to Tall Jones too. He had played his fifteenth season in eighty nine, which at that time was the career record until it was tied by Bill Bates and Mark two and a and then broken by Witton and Ed and Ed knew that Cowboys were moving on. He had played eighty nine with Jimmy and towards the

end of the season. If you remember this, Everson, they were going to transition that spot to Tony Tolbert and they were gonna start Tony Tolbert, and the media made a big deal about ending Ed's consecutive streak of starting games, and Jimmy basically said, okay, I'll start him. And then after the first quarter, Tolbert's going in, right, so he knew it was done, and he basically said, yeah, I'm

I'm leaving and and and Ed. You know, he was thirty nine at that time, and basically said, you know, the coach said he's going with younger players, they're transitioning, they're not going to keep me around. So yeah, I don't think I'm gonna be back with the Cowboys. So he made that announcement and then eventually retired that year. But that was a long career. I don't know why. I don't know why you would replace Ed. You know,

like last game of the season. I know, I know one of fifteen who cares if Tony Tolbit starts the last game of a one in fifteen season. You know, as I looked back when Jones bought the team, that was kind of like a COVID nineteen moment as well. You know, a lot of changes came in, Yeah, a lot of changes. So yeah, I looked at that as you know, one of those moments to where it changed everything. We were so accustomed to Tom Landry, you know, and all of a sudden, here comes these these jay boys

as you guys call them at the time. That it was almost a COVID nineteen moment right there, because everything changed after that. They came sweeping through like a plague. But I guess it was a good plague. No, yeah, you know, you're absolutely right. And then you know ed those three guys held that record till this past season when Jason Witten ended up playing a sixteenth season for the Cowboys and now it looks like he's gonna end

up with the Raiders. What did you think about it, Everson, that you know, a guy that's played that long, thirty seven years old, but he still wants to get another year in. You know, I could relate, Trust me, I could relate. It took me a while to just kind of realize, you know what, this is not good for me.

It's not good for my my my ego. I'm up here trying to work out for all these different teams I've got, seemed like the guys were younger than me that was that were evaluating me, And I don't think that any of them really remembered who I was. It was kind of degrading actually to go through that process. So we still put ourselves through it as older players simply because you know, that's all we're accustomed to, and so you think, maybe I can just give it one

last try, and it's no different. I was no different. But it doesn't take long at that age to realize, you know what, this is a bad idea. So yeah, you know, and I thought it was interesting. This week Mike Mayock the Raiders GM, I guess he was asked, why why do you want a thirty seven year old tight end who's going to be playing a seventeenth season when you have a really good tight end in a nice tight end room. What do you do and what

are you thinking about? And he basically said that bringing in a guy like Jason Wooden helps the room because now these guys can listen to somebody that knows how to do it, that's done it, and if nothing else, the leadership he brings will help us out and the other thing had occurred to me with Whitton this week was that when you looked at his numbers in the decade, boy, he put up some pretty big numbers, even though he missed the twenty eighteen season, and yes, he only had

the two one thousand yard season, But I thought he could have made a point for him to be placed on that All Decade team as the other tight end with Gronkowski. But Travis Kelsey had won that one, you know. And I know he didn't play as many games but as Wit, but Whitten had more catches, more yards, the same amount of Pro Bowls, and I thought you could have made an argument there for Witten to be placed

on that All Decade team. I think it's just those Super Bowl rings that he's missing, and that was probably what kept him off the list. And Kelsey, yeah, daddy, And you know, winning the Super Bowl probably helped him get the notoriety to say, oh, yeah, okay, guy, he's played five six years this decade, he's the All decade tight end. Yeah, it'll definitely be interesting to see Witten's role. You're right, I think that leadership is probably one of

his bigger qualities at this point in his career. Everything that he does for his teammates and those around him off the field, and I still think it'll be exciting to watch him play. I mean, Cowboys fans who have known him and loved him and watched him for seventeen years and all he's been through, you want him to be successful. It's kind of sad to see a player like that. He's going to be in a different jersey and it's going to be different, but you still want

to see him have success. And it's even going to be crazy because the Raiders move in to Las Vegas. They haven't even finished their stadium, so now you think it's thirty seven years old, him and every other player are going to have to be probably assuming there's a season, traveling every weekend, because it came out this week that they're having a like a contingency plan where they would play games in Salt Lake City, Phoenix, and San Diego

since their stadium isn't finished. That's a lot of travel and play for someone who is thirty seven years old. Changing I kind of kind I kind of lost you guys there for a minute. But here's one thing that I wish could have had it. If I could turn back the clock. I would turn it back to a couple of years ago when Witten was in the booth.

I thought that he still would have had more in the tank than he had last year, and having him on that team that experienced that resurgence with Cooper coming in, I really wish we would have had Whitten at the time that year. I don't think Whitten or anyone else could anticipate the difference that Cooper would make for that team. I think Whitten thought, you know what, this team is going to go as far as they can go. I think I need to start looking forward to a life

after football. That's what he was thinking at that time. I really wish he could have been with that team when we made that turnaround during mid season. Uh possibly could have gone on even further, could have beaten the Rams, maybe maybe even position ourselves even better for the playoffs, and maybe it wouldn't even have had to play in the wild card. Around that years, I always wonder what would have happened if he would have stuck with us

for that one particular season. You know, that's a good point because if you think about and even though the Rams offense ran right over the Cowboys defense, the margin between winning and losing that game wasn't really that great. There was a couple critical calls in that game, uh term that we started that in the grasp, yeah, absolutely, and that that BS call and hands to the face

on Byron Jones. Cowboys were going to get off the field, and then two plays later Girly goes thirty some yards for a touchdown and they ended up losing by what eight points? Eight points points? And that's a good point that a guy like Witten on that team could have made a significant difference, especially at the tight end position, especially at that two minute drive. You know we're coming down. This is when when Dad loves to look for Witten

in that particular time. We make jokes about you know, Witten's yak so to speak. They say, I might have that, he might have a negative yak in an entire career, but he moves the chains and that's something that we needed on that final drive we were down by eight points. Yeah, you always wonder what could have been. Right, Well, we've been talking about the thirty seven year old Jason Winn and right on the other side of this break, we're

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Get Jack Black dot com. Man, you know what I like about being here. I don't have to worry about the spittle coming from you when we're sitting close together. So this is good to be home. And do I need to wipe my screen? Not to be spittle free is so nice to do. I might need a drink here. Oh those are my favorite reason they can kill them every time. Welcome back to mix shots everyone. The draft is just one week away and what's been fun to see on Twitter. I don't know if you guys have

seen this. A lot of NFL players have been trying to see which state has produced the best football players, and of course it was pretty much all buy Texas, right, But you've got players saying Florida, where Mark Cooper, You've got Georgia and all these players are trying to see but we know that it's Texas. And there's actually a handful of local players in this draft who who've really made a name for themselves. And Mickey, I know you've

been looking at one from Dosto a wide receiver out there. Yeah, Lo Viscus Channel wide receiver University of Colorado. He played his high school ball at Dosto High, won a state championship there with him in twenty sixteen, and played three years at Colorado. And he's a kind of a guy that maybe fell off the screen just a little bit. This year, his software year at Colorado, he led the nation in yards per game receiving yards per game, and one draft guru described him as maybe the best athlete

in the draft. He's six one two twenty two and he's played all three wide receiver positions at the University of Colorado. So he's a guy that you know, hey, maybe he's not recognized in that class with the Judy's and rug and CD Lamb, but he could be a

pretty productive wide receiver. And one thing I thought was interesting ever since when he went to the combine, he only ran like a four or five eight, but he needed a core muscle surgery, so he kind of powered through it anyway and just at least ran the forty. And he's probably faster than that he's had the surgery, and maybe teams will not value him as highly as

maybe he should be. And so if the Cowboys are looking for a wide receiver, maybe second round, early third might keep an eye on this local kid, because he's one heck of an athlete. You know, one thing you you want to stereotype some guys in regards to size and even speed. I think more than anything, we need a slot receiver. I think we need that third down receiver.

I think jar One's gonna be big for us some third downs this year, just as Witting it always has been, but Jarding with a little bit more mobility, putting a big receiver sixth one, that's a big receiver to be in the slot as far as I'm concerned, not just six one, but he's over two hundred and twenty plus pounds. That would be kind of difficult to see me watching him in the slot. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he's got

the quickness to do it. Obviously, you talked about him playing all three positions, but I'd be very curious to see just how effective he would be in the slot for the Dallas Cowboys. You know, one of the things Danny Andrrison that I noticed about him is he's one of those kind of jack of all trade receivers, like you can handle the ball. You could snap him to him if you if you wanted to do that. And he's a recruit. Who's the stud for the Titans. Who's

that stud for the Titans? You're talking about him being like the uh, the wide receiver for the Titans that did so well this year. I think he was a rookie oh um. I mean he just took over uh in the in the postseason and showed just at the end of the season and postseason, he showed just how

good he was. Uh. And he is. He's not necessarily as tall, but my goodness, he is a load to bring down very athletic, and I'm wondering if they would probably use this young man, if the Cowboys would use this young man the way the Titans use uh, their young stud in the same manner. Yeah, and it's kind of a neat story that the guy, you know, he kind of probably could have played in the state of Texas, but ended up going to Colorado and uh and had a really nice career though. So yeah, keep it, keep

an eye on him. Uh. He's just one of these guys that can do a lot of things for you. And you're right, ever since he's he's a little bit bigger. But again, a lot of times those slot receivers are a little bit smaller, and the loss of all right, I meant to say, the defensive backs in the slot are usually a little Yes they are, Yes they are, And that's a little titbit. That's why Belichick loved big

defensive backs. And he doesn't care who you were, what position you were a customer playing if you're gonna be a physical defensive back, he liked a lot of size. Therefore, we had Perry Williams, who was just as tall as I was, maybe taller and bigger, playing at the cornerback position. It depends on who you play and what their system is, but some of them like to be physical on that slot receiver because he's so prevalent on third downs and that slot position is wide open needs to be filled.

You have some some receivers from last year, Cedric Wilson and Davin Smith, and you could try rotate around, but the loss of Randal codfree agency has really put that as an offensive spot that people are looking at. How the Cowboys are going to draft. And there's a ton of depth in the receiver position this draft class, I mean it is loaded. But when you look at those top names that are going to go early Seedee Lamb

for the receivers. And what's interesting is, I know, Mickey, you found some research about a cool connection for who are going to be three top draft picks with safety Grant Delpit out of LSU Ceedee Lamb the receiver out of Oklahoma, and Kenneth Murray, the linebacker who we talked about last week without really amazing virtual interview with the Cowboys,

and you found a connection for all three of them. Yeah, this is crazy, guys, because I was reading a story about the Delpit family from New Orleans and they ended up leaving New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and evacuated to the city of Houston. And he was Grant, the safety, was like six seven, eight years old, somewhere in there, probably about six or seven, and when they moved, and he ended up as a junior, as a junior high

player playing for this youth team. Well on the youth team along with Grant delpot is Ceedee Lamb, And I didn't realize Ceedee Lamb also his family was from New Orleans and they evacuated and ended up in Houston, and these two guys ended up on that same youth team along with as Danny said, Kenneth Murray, who was from there in the first place, the linebacker. So these three guys are playing on the same youth team. You think

they ever got beat? I just think it's incredible that back when your junior high age, what like twelve, thirteen, eleven, uh, these three guys are playing on a team, and now all these years later, here they are, all three of them probably be first round draft choices. It was a story. So do we get to do we get to put them in the Texas category or the Louisiana category. That's

that's all that's important. Yeah, that's a good question. Can we claim them in Texas or dude, does Louisiana still have They were in high school though with Katrina, No, they were like five six years old. That was fifty I would say Texas. Yes, I'm with you, Danny. I would say if basically before eight years old, let's let's just say it like that, eight years old, but you don't have to show your birth certificate, we'll claim them

for Texas. Uh. Those guys that a bunch of other guys, their lives were going to change forever in one week from today with the NFL Draft, the first of those virtual rounds. And I want to ask you guys, because I think you could argue. I think the argument comes down to two positions. For my question of the season were to start today, when you look at the players, the Cowboys have, what is the greatest position of need?

And I want to hear what you guys think, because as fun as it would be to draft one of these amazing receivers with pick seventeen, the Cowboys first round draft pick, I think it comes down to whether or not the Cowboys are going to draft a pass rusher on the right side of that defensive line after losing Robert Quinn to free agency, or are they going to look more at the defensive back position and go for a cornerback. So, if the season were to start today,

what is the biggest area of need for this Cowboys team? Everson? I'll let you go first because I wrote about this last Friday on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and my suggestion was, when the Cowboys look at where you go, you look at the position. What position scares you the most, meaning not scares the other team? Scares you? On what I have if I have to play tomorrow. What do I absolutely need if I have to play tomorrow. So I'll give the floor to you first. I would look at

the entire middle of the Cowboys defensive formation. I still think even though we just signed a couple of big studs, the verdict is still out on them. As far as McCoy and the other young man that we just signed, Carolina, Yes, and so when you look at those guys, I still think that our nose guard tackle position needs to be showed up because we got shredded last year. And then when you look at the other position. You're looking at the linebacker position. Yes, we've got a lot of linebackers,

got Sean Lee coming back. I understand that, but I think we need that linebacker that can completely control the middle of our defense, and I know we think we have that right now. Van Dersh. I'm still very concerned about him just his health period. Forget being a ball player, but that surgery. You just worry about that whole neck

thing that he's going to deal with. So I think a good linebacker that can close those creases that were left last year when you look at the Vikings game and pretty much every game after Thanksgiving to where we just couldn't stop anybody. As far as the Rumber's concern, and of course the free safety position, yes we have Clinton Dix and I really want to talk to you about that last week's bags about how this is an

important acquisition for us. You've got a guy with a lot of experience back that they could play either deep or I think he could even play up at the strong safety position. So to have the luxury of him being there is great. But also maybe happy to draft a Dell Pit someone of that nature that is that can control a ball game. From ten yards deep in the secondary. So I'm looking down the middle of the field, down the middle of our alignment, defensive tackle, inside linebacker,

as well as free safety. You sound like you sound like a baseball manager. You've got to be strong up the middle, right, So you know, if these so, if these interviews that they're doing with the potential draft choices mean anything. One of the guys that they interviewed over the last week or so was ray Kwon Davis, the defensive tackle from the University of Alabama, six six, three hundred and eleven pounds and he's probably a three technique,

So Everson, they're obviously thinking that way too. His last this past season wasn't as good as his previous two seasons, but boy, he's a load in the middle. To me, Uh, the position that scares me right now, I think I

can play at corner back. I probably need another guy, But if I had to play tomorrow, I could start Chitubey Oloosey, Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis and those would be my three guys, and I think I could get by the position that scares me is the defensive end spot on the right side, because I don't know that they have somebody, you know, everybody will say, well, yeah, they got Randy Gregory, they might have Alden Smith. Well

it's might on both of those guys. So if you had to start tomorrow, who coming off with two hip surgeries? How much are you going to get out of him? Is he? On Twitter? He said he is, he is ready. So if it must, and I agree with you, Mickey, and that is the biggest need first and second down,

that's fine, But who's the pass rusher? Because after that, and if you count the four guys that they have that we're on the team last year that are still there that potentially could play there, those four guys total two sacks last year and one of them was Crawfords and he only played I believe it was seven nine games something like that before they finally said, yeah, he

probably needs surgery. So to me that that spot there is vacant, I can get by with some of this other stuff, and at safety I can get by with haha, Clinton Dixon and you're right every since I think he can play either one. And I'm not sure that they're disappointed in what what Woods is DoD Xavier Woods is doing it free safety. So maybe Dix plays in the slot, I mean down low and as the strong safety, and

I could get by with that. But from the future, yeah, they've got positions that they don't have a lot of depth that that they're gonna need some help. And you mentioned the defensive tackle, the nose tackle. You know, I'm sure post contracts gonna it says two years by it. Bet it's one year. If you look at Gerald McCoy's contract, they can get out of it after one year for not much dead money. Uh. But yeah, that defensive end spot. I just can't hit sitting here to remember. I want

you guys to remember. I want you to remember these names. I want to Cook. I want to remember Cook for Minnesota. Okay. I want you I want you to remember anyone that had the ball in their hands in Buffalo, Okay. I want you to remember all of those games where we're like, what the hell is going on? We can't stop anybody, so forget passing the ball. I get it. It'd be nice if we could force them into a third and all, but we never could because we were always giving up

chunks of yardage on first and ten. So that's why I agree with Mickey. You need someone need that pass rush opposite of DeMarcus Lawrence, so that you're forcing them to quickly throw the ball. And I agree with Mickey. I think if the season where to start today, you are confident enough and the starters that you would have at Danny. Cowboys are still going to draft a handful of defensive backs in this draft, because there's a pretty

good number of them, some really skilled players. But I think right now the biggest need is filling that gap, the unknown on the right side of that defensive line. Well just remember, just remember, Danny. The dartboards behind me, still right. So all these positions we took, we talked about cornerback, safety, defensive tackle, defensive van, wide receiver. If you threw it at the dartboard at the position, whatever you hit, I don't think we could say they're wrong.

They can use that position. Maybe that'll be what we do next week before the draft starts, will have all the positions on the dartboard and Mickey will just throw the darts and wherever they land, that's who the Cowboys pick. I think that would make their job money. Yes, I have no wonder. Let's have mixtand they're front of the dot board. Oh my gosh, it'll give news, it'll give it'll give new meeting to mix shots. Right Ah, there you go, jallasbags. Nice. It is always so much fun

talking with you. I miss seeing you, but this is a great second. We hope you guys have enjoyed mix shots as much as we do hanging out and talking Cowboys football. That'll be it for us today. But stay tuned to Dallas Cowboys dot Com because coming up at eleven the Draft show. With one week away, there are so much still that they have to talk about it, and it'll get you ready for all the different possibilities the Cowboys could be making in just seven short days.

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