Mick Shots: Jimmy Swagger

somebody's figured that out. He's the cheese head expert guy. You gotta cheese head at home there, Mickey. You know he does. He doesn't. I'm surprised you didn't bring it. I'm surprised you didn't bring it yesterday. Yeah, they didn't have the didn't do the cheese. You think Lombardi would have put up with a cheese head. I don't. I don't think so. There are a football player. There was no football field out there today. I noticed, yes there is. Yes,

there was no leaping in the stands either. By the ways, Brad Sham, I'm gonna save you. I'm gonna save your spine, I save you trying to turn around and familiar with the ice bowl, can you hear me? He stopped. I don't think so. We're more familiar with the Who knows if he was watching it back in sixty seven, I'm sure, I'm sure he was. Everybody did they have television back then? Black and white? They did nineteen inches if you were lucky. When when's first time you got a colored TV? Man,

that's a good one. I would imagine the seventies, okay, and uh, you know, still the same cheap stuff because eventually you're gonna have to get the pliers to change the channel. Right, We hadn thing always blakes is cheap plastics, So you have to eventually get the pliers. Our knob and our TV broke, and you know we kind of fit on that that little screw there, Ye got the little in the middle, and uh, instead of getting a new TV. You remember the little kind of key thing

that opened up coffee cans. We had to stick that in there and to turn it. That's right, all right? This suppliers, dude, what are you doing? Fit right in there? Right because there was a groove, right, we never had growing up a color TV. I don't think they had a couple of my parents until we bought them one for some occasion my sister. Wow. So this would have been like in early eighties. So when was the first time you saw the Green Bay Packers in green meeting

in person? You couldn't see it on your black and white TV that they're actually wore green jersey. It was either at somebody else's house or maybe when I was in college, because the first hockey game I went to, and I'm used to watching hockey in black and white, and I walked into Chicago Stadium and it was like, oh wow, the blue lines blue and the red lines red, and look at those uniforms in color, you know, along those lines, because there was no first time in the

paper either, Okay, along those lines. The first time that I saw how green the Boston Celtics uniforms are was probably at Reunion Area to see him alive in person. Okay, TV doesn't do it justice. And the other thing is how gold the Notre Dame helmets are. You have to see it in person to really appreciate just the most striking colors I've seen. It was cotton bowl, the green

glass and in the highlights from the Bowl. Yeah Nelson at the Yeah, just I'm just just you know, it was always sunny, seems like in in the Cotton Bowl and what they called it sunny South Dallas. That's why they called it. So it's like to watch, you know, I just remember Don Meredith in Bob Hayes and just you know, it's like, wow, this is this is so colorful and and and it was the claudio was just amazing. That was probably the first time I saw a color

uh in the NFL when I actually went to a game. Yeah, so you got you thought before you went to the game that people played in black and white, had no clue what it looked like. Everything. I guarantee you the Ice Bowl was gray. Okay, it was a gray day, all right. So, um, team is on the field. Yes, bring us up to speed with what we need to know as they are back to work here. I saw Zeke out there and he looked like he was getting ready. Had a helmet, so that's a step in the right direction.

Looked like he was getting ready to do his rehab. McCarthy said that, you know, he said that Zeke came up to him before sometime in the morning whatever they were doing and said, yeah, coach, I'm ready to go, and he goes and that's what they all say. So I was glad he added that, but he said that, you know, we'll see where he's at. It felt like Malik Hooker and Sam Williams were ready to go, maybe not the whole thing, but at least limited, if not better.

I think the one guy, you know, and Zeke will see as it goes on. Zeke thinks he's playing on Sunday. I think the one guy they're a little worried about is Anthony Barr with that hamstring. And you know I found out, you know, before the bye that they worried about him just because of his age, thirty whatever soft tissue, So they were going to be real careful with that one. That they didn't extend his recent back record too. But he missed a lot of games last year with the Vikings. Right,

who's his backup? Clark? Oh your boys thirty three and you know you're going to see a lot of Damon Clark and continue to see a lot of durn Bland too, by the way, because you know Lewis won't be there. He's been done very well. He's lift up to his preseason hype. Well, i'll tell you what you know. And somebody said, a how's he playing? I said, if you

think about it, you know, he's a rookie. He's at and played any and all of a sudden he had to play in two games to start, and I don't think we got any arguments A pivot pivotal y pivot had broke up the one in the end, So if he would turn around, he'd be happier. Yeah, but it was he. I liked this, his sense of urgency as that ball was in the air, because how fast is he Well we can find that out. And his catchup speed on that ball he was and he's he was.

It was digs like he's got he's got instincts, and that's that's a good thing, especially for that position, right to play as a rookie, to be in the slot. So yeah, but other than that, I think everybody else, you know, curse should be out there. Um. He said they had a couple of guys receivers look like they had the flu, but they were practice squad guys. Um, So you know I worry about by came at exactly

the right time. You know what I worry about with these young guys is being uh believing the hype of the of the Packers, believing the hype of that that home field advantage, right that green Bay always has. And the Aaron Rodgers. You know, of course he's a great player.

When I say myth, I mean just his reputation preceding him. Uh, don't let that yeah beat you, like intimidate you exactly go in, go in with with the mindset of respect, because you have to respect the game, right, you have to respect your opponent, but at the same time, you disrespect them because it's like you should not even be on the field with us. Eventually, that's what you want to try and show the Green Bay Packers if you're

the Dallas Cowboys. Somebody asked McCarthy about you know, explained to them lambeau Field and the weather, and he goes, oh yeah, he goes, you know, we spent time on that and you know what cleats you should wear on that grass And and then he said, and by the way, you know, whatever the temperature was supposed to be at kickoff is I think it was the high thirties. Whoever he said that, I counted up on the roster, and he goes, they've got fewer guys from the north than

we do. That like grew up in that kind of weather, he said, So they should be worried about these boys from the south coming in because they more of our guys have grown up in the North than they have. So right now in Green Bay, the temperature is fifty nine degrees. It is cloudy. It's supposed to be fine, and till Sunday it is. It's gets a cold front

comes through on Saturday. It looks like because the high on Saturday is thirty seven with a low of twenty six, and on Sunday it's a high of thirty seven a low of twenty four. As long as it's a still day, as long as the wind, yeah, whipping around. I think I saw the precipitation was like one or two percent chance or something like that. When no wind, gus my little app has a partly cloudy day. That's good. That's

Green Bay. You can't beat that, right, I mean, when you're talking football, you know you want it to be chilly, but you just it's the precipitation in the wind that just really messes up. Again for the first time, we're actually staying in Green Bay? Is Nate? Is Nate texting you? He is? Is he watching practice for us? Let us know who watching practice? Oh? No? Better turned down by it. Whatever whatever he was wearing he had he had like white socks coming out of his shoes and then he

had some tights on. It looked like his his ankles were spatted up, ready to go practice, Nate, Nate, Okay, what is he doing? What is he doing? Is he spatted up? He looked like if you saw that, if you saw walking around, what the heck is he doing? Man? Did you like playing at lambeau Field? I only played there once and we want that good of a team? I think that was in eighty nine. I think it was the one in fifteen season? Uh, you know, very uneventful,

you know, bet Fa I was playing our book? Is there? Yeah? Still there? Yeah? Yeah? That the year copy. That was a year you had to play him twice, didn't you know? One of those years he ended up playing car would not have been there in eighty nine. So I was if I'm not it could be maybe maybe with the Giants, could be eighty No, it was not with the Giants, Are you never? I was definitely with the Cowboys, and we got a buzz kid. Okay, there was no doubt

about it. It was one. It would be the eighty eight, eighty nine and is already coming in, says so eighty nine, and I was right. They ended up playing the Packers twice. Why didn't we play them twice in eighty nine? They started that with I forgot which teams because in ninety they ended up playing Tampa Bay twice. I don't even before expansion. We played them in the both in at Lambeau No, right, at Green Bay October eighth, and then closed the season at home against Green Bay. That was

your last Oh, that was your last game? Right? I was? I was. That's when Jimmy had put me on the bench the second half of the season. That's why I didn't remember the second game. I was playing special teams. And then in in ninety one they played them in Milwaukee. I remember that distinctly. The magic Man was at quarterback for Green Bay. So in eighty nine you lost in green Bay thirty one thirteen, and on New Year or

Christmas Eve you got beat twenty to ten. And the reason I remember that is it was freezing cold out and the pipes at Texas Stadium froze, like the bathrooms were inoperable because the pipes were frozen. I don't think I took a shot away after the game. I didn't know I did. It was in the locker room. It was for the fans, and I'll never forget. So that finished the season one in fifteen, right, and Frank luxA, my Cohart at the Dallas Times. Harold basically wrote, and

what a fitting end to the season. It was so bad on the final game they couldn't even flush it down the toilet. That's fun. That's what are those like you? Go? Why did I think of that? Okay, so the Cowboys finished one in fifteen. Obviously in nineteen eighty nine, well I know. And of course, the Cowboys first round draft

pick they had used on Steve Walsh. Otherwise they would have had the first pick in the draft two years in a row, and they would have had supplemental that's when they were supplemental draft draft, yes, right, yes, and they used their first round pick thinking, okay, well we won't have the first round pick again. And sure enough, and I think Walsh had had he led them to a championship, to the National Championship that previous year because

Jimmy was was was hot for him. He had to have he had to hit him, and it was he was like de Nucci to me. You know, he was that guy that was a good Cottage quarterback. But that transferred to the pros. He wasn't ready his rookie. And as it turned out, they could have had the first pick in the draft all three years because they ended up trading for it in ninety one and took Russell Maryland. Okay, and so they did draft Emmett and we've talked about it.

Emmett been trading up to seventeen to take him in the first round in nineteen ninety. So who do you think the Cowboys would have taken? Wow, that's always a good pick, that's always. Ah. It would have been the best defensive player they would Cortes Kennedy from Miami. Yes, they absolutely would have. Yeah, because they because they didn't like they didn't like um the running back Blair Thomas, who wound up with the Cowboys several years. Yeah, but

the Jets took him number two. Here's all right, here's who went Oh, this is interesting, here's who went top five in that draft. And it's funny because I knew that they had taken they'd lost their first round pick on Walsh, and I don't recall ever going back and figuring out who it was it that they could have had with that pick. We talked about how great the Cowboys draft picks were with Jimmy, you know, when he came in and everything, but supplemental draft being the exception.

But the supplemental Draft, they gave up their first round pick. The first pick in the draft in nineteen ninety was Jeff George. Obviously they wouldn't I don't think they would have taken it, and they weren't going to take Blurred. They could have done the same principle and they did with Steve Walsh though. Take the quarterback, all right. So the second pick was Blair Thomas. The third pick Seattle took Cortez Kennedy and obviously be in the Miami go

any farther than that, But here's the enter. The fourth pick was Keith mccanis to Tampa Bay. The fifth pick, linebacker USC Junior say Out went to the Chargers. Yeah, he would. He would have taken Cortes Kennedy, no doubt, and especially with Jimmy's background and as a defensive line coach, and as it turned out, they were all hot and bothered by getting the linebacker I'm Baylor, James James Francis.

They tried to trade up to get him, and Cincinnati, oh, no, whoever they needed to get whoever was before Cincinnati, they were trying to trade up with them. They couldn't do it. I think it was maybe Kansas City. And then after Cincinnati took James Francis, Jimmy called Cincinnati and wanted to trade with Cincinnati for James Francis, and they wouldn't do it, so they settled for Emmatt Smith, who would have been

the next running back taken after Blair Thomas. So no running backs went after the second pick in the draft until Cowboys took Emmett at seventeen. And there were three Hall of Famers in that first round, Cortes Kennedy, Junior sale At, Emma c Emmett Smith. They could have had two if they hadn't have made the supplemental pick for them, right, they could have had Cortez Kennedy and Emmett Smith that draft. Yeah, so I wonder then and then would they have then

done the Russell Maryland trade. No, No, they were like Kennedy. That's right. So is that in the book? Is there a chapter? If I wish now, we would have had this conversation yesterday and I could have asked Jimmy and confirmed who you would have taken, because I talked to Jimmy this morning and uh, well, let's hear about it. Well it was great. Well, let's hear about it when we come back here on mix shots in just a moment. The Medal of Honor is our country's highest military award

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the field. And Mickey, what do you have to report from my speed watching? We only had what two minutes I've we've forgot and you know what, no one asked about him either. Noah Brown is missed the last game if we remember, and he is working with the rehab guys while they're prexing special teams. So we'll see where it goes from there. It's him and Zeke on the resistance chords together. But he had a helmet out there, looked like as helmet was off to the side, So

we'll see what he ends up doing. But that was another guy that did not play in the in the Bears game. Tell you what, this is a game where we could use them. Yeah, talking about good coverage and good dbs talking, Well, they're okay, but you know, when you're on the road, you want to have someone that can silence the crowd as you move the chains, and I think he would. He would be a big target

for deck and moving the chains this this this Sunday. Yeah, and then you know, if not him, then um, Talbot's got a step up. They'll need him and see just the big body though there's no replacing that. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And that would have been James Washington if if he was ready to go. So anyway, there's that's what I saw real quickly. All right. Um, Jimmy Johnson. I had a chat with Jimmy and he's making the media rounds because he's got a book out that I

think it's out Tuesday next Tuesday. Um, it's called Swagger, Swagger Swagger, Super Bowls, Brass, Balls and Footballs is the title of it. And uh, it was great talking to him. He's you know what that's coming from. The brass ones are coming from. Uh, well, specifically the ninety three NFC Championship game when he called in on Randy Galloway's radio show and said, we will win the game. You can put it in three inch headlines. We will win the game.

And then they won the game. But Seaford, yeah, yeah, here you go, said, oh he's got some brass ones. Yeah. I think Seaford was scared when you heard that. Yeah, he knew, he knew. I think he knew at that moment. Oh, Lloyd, it's like, well, you lost to him at home. How are we going to beat him at their place after

they won the Super Bowl. So anyway, he's making the rounds um selling his book and um, it's it's really I got my copy on Monday, and um it's very interesting, you know, you know, the football stuff and it's all that's all interesting going back to his Miami Days Cowboys days relationship with Jerry is. There's a chapter Me and Jerry. But the first chapter that I turned to, uh was about his son, Chad and his son, and he was

very um, um, nate n yeah, go let dated. But anyway, he was talking about his son Chad and his battle with alcoholism and how he basically yeah, and this was in two thousand and nine, and how his calls it his ultimate victory, his greatest victory, and he basically had to go to his doorstep and got him help, and he had They've been trying to get him help, the whole family, ad and then finally they uh he and he is now running a treatment center I'm thinking Florida,

and very successful with it. But that's where we were talking about yesterday, about how we evolved as people. We all have our own stories. Yeah, you know you never I never knew that about him, And just let you know, you can have a thought process about somebody, but they're going through their own stuff. You know, you might be angry about what you're going through, but they might not show it, but they're going through something as well. Because I never knew about that. Did he have a chapter

on Nate Newton in there? Nate is talked about in the book Jimmy's book. You know, did you get a book Nate got endorsed? No? I don't. I don't need a book. I wish I would have brought the book. I could Jimmy see Jimmy Walls, you are so correct when you say how guys evolved. Jimmy couldn't be that guy he was back when he was with us, and when we was with him, he even admitted, I can't be that guy again. That guy was that guy there almost hated himself because how cold blood that he was

and how single minded he was. So I mean, just think now he said, as big as victory is how he helped his son. But I remember him sitting in a meeting saying, my people in town, my mom and dad in town. But well, am I I'm overhill. I'll see them out of the game. I deal with that one.

So for all of y'alls, with your mom's and your girl, I mean, he went off trying to show us the single mindedness you know, hate, you know, got rid of a great she would be a Hall of Famer guy because he was walking out the fields talking to a guy. I mean, it went. It went totally against his message. Yes, because his message had to be strong, right y'all the team that's born at one to fifteen seasons. Yeah, he had a vocal guy in the locker. Wasn't buying end too? Yes? Well,

now let's be Let's be clear. Let's be clear. Jimmy Johnson is the only coach that ever made me a captain, right, that's Eddie Robinson, Tom Andrew, all of him. He's the only one. But he wanted me for a scapegoat. So that that to me is for if I was doing my work early on, and Nate will tell you, I was going, I was doing the work, going to the players, going to Jimmy, Hey, this is what's happening. Jimmy wasn't

feeling none of that. His idea of a captain was not what our idea of a captain was, and that was clearly pointed out. I think after the Giants game, Yeah, I think I was our fourth game. I was you know, the guys were running hard. Man, it was it's a hundred something degrees outside, and so as a captain, my boy said, hey man, this I think Gogan came to them. Hey man, they died, they killing us out here. We

won't be ready for the game. So like coach, they said, you tell him what do you think we should do? He goes, well, you know what, I was lightned up on practice. Where we lightened up on practice, and we promptly got our answers kicked by the Giants as if we were tired. So Jimmy looked at that and said, it's your fault. You know, I listened to you and basically that's what happened. So no, he ended I was done after that. I was done after that. He ended up.

If you remember that Giants game, it was cold, it was up there. No, no, no, this was the first time. Okay, yeah, it was burning up one. The one at the end of the season was the one that, uh, you guys had the ball inside the ten yard line and on the five, on the five, on the five, and he got everybody five right, got everybody it got it got Wis it fired because the coach Bob Bob, Yeah, yeah,

that's what brought Yeah. I wasn't playing at the time he got He called all the assistant coaches off the bus. I remember being out there because we were still doing interviews outside the stadium, and he chewed them all off. And then in the press conference he said we weren't strong enough. We got a strong curtain and he fired bombs would never ever happened to us, and we would not be on the one right and couldn't get in oh Man nothing and they had the ball as Nate said,

we're down on the one. Yeah, coach, they running, I mean you can, you can literally like he had a head, said run it street and see what he's doing. And he wasn't gonna kick a field goal. As much as we argued, you still, I still know he's doing. He's trying to show us. He's trying to create a culture. Yeah, we're gonna run it. We're not doing the playoffs. It's gonna be our coaching from here on. It ended up

being that, but it didn't start right there. You know, the first time I met him, Paul Palmer was just running back. Yeah. Right. The first time. The first time I met Jimmy was nineteen seventy eight. It was his first year at Oklahoma State. We were on the Big eight sky Riders tour and we go into Oklahoma's uh to still Water and this new guy here and he's chattering away and he was like the best interview of

the whole bunch. Right, he was new, he was Jimmy, and I was thinking, you know what, this guy might have something I don't know. And then he turned Oklahoma State around, but he stayed his perfunctory five years and then left right, went to went to Miami, stayed five years and left. Came here, stayed five years and left. Yeah, but to say, it's a lot more to that, tell you man, he I mean the things he used to say. He used coming to meet and I remember Troy just signed.

And then after Troy signed, he signed his long contract. I just wanted it all y'all knew I signed a long contract to any of y'all, I'll be here. Wait where did this come from? He was wrong on that one. Yeah, but I'm just saying how he his single mindedness, right, you know? And he told me, he he said, uh, I will get rid of anybody I feel can't help this team win if if I see where, I will put up with you until I find me a player that

I can replace you with. I mean, you know when you were talking about single minded um when they drafted in ninety two Robert Jones, first round pick, and I remember this, Robert brought his new wife to training camp in Austin. Jimmy was livid. He didn't want anybody distracted by. He was more worried about, you know, and say what you want taking care of his wife than football, and Jimmy chewed but out, I mean chewed him out, and it was like, you can't leave. This is what I

don't remember. No, Robert was stern. He wasn't getting rid of his wife. Yeah, I'm not not telling the league camp new Man, and I respect Robert to this day. That's probably why he still got his wife. And I don't know Jeff Blake's sister, right, yeah, I tell you man. Uh. And see, Michael Irvin was his right hand man. I mean, Mike was the co signer. Yeah, Mike signed everything. He said, Mike, uh, what's up with this? He could all he could always

find a reason why Jimmy was right. And I said to myself, I said, you know what, I'm gonna quit action, Mike, what's up with this? On that list, Michael probably didn't have the captain name on him then, but he was the captain. Oh. Man. I remember the first time offseason meeting, Jimmy's talking if you would call, Mike gets up and in the Jimmy yeah man starts talking. Also, well on my knees after practice, right, and Jimmy, you know, that's the only person that he relented to that was was

Michael Levin. If Mike had something to say, he knew it was gonna co sign with Jimmy. And I'm gonna tell you, I'm like after after we started winning, and uh, coach Johns we had a roast, a roast, and so he invited all of a lot of the players down to his live town. He was friends Miss Joplin and all of them ever one or two speaker from there. You know, they probably was only two families anyway. Anyway, Yeah, anyway, I heard him in what's the great coach for the

Philadelphia Defensive? At the table we all up there talking and uh, he was just the things Jimmy was telling him about us and how we practice and uh, yeah, I go out and find the biggest and strongest guy Nate Noon's and getting no rest in training camp. How they was gonna kill us and I'm looking at coach all right, all right, just Mike Irving, Well you remember everything.

You remember when he made an example out of Mike when he was late for the plane that time nineteen ninety two and they were going to Detroit and Mike wasn't on the plane, and I think the flight coordinator came to Jimmy and he goes, uh, you know, we're all here, but Michael, and Jimmy said, what time were you're supposed to take off? He said two o'clock, she said, and he goes, well, what time is it now? It's two o one, let's go, and he left him behind.

Mike had to find his own flight to Detroit, right, and he gets there and Jimmy perfunctory choose him out right, and he goes, Okay, you're suspended the first series of the game. But wait, it gets better that nor Turner finds out he suspended spending Mike the first series of the game. And he looked at jim and he goes, so if we kick off, is the first series on defense? Does that count? Yes? Yes, I let me tell you that same trip, Mike comes in. We all at getting

ready to go to dinner. So Mike rushes in. Come. We all up coming the back elevated coach Johnson about four other players and he see mikey, you know, Mike come overhead hanging. That's just yeah, So you have a bike to everybody else left everybody so everybody runs off. I act like I double back, so I want to see what's gonna happened to bike is boy? You know

what here? Boy? Right, they get rund the corner, Mike, you know, bid man, I wanted to come around the corner saying man, but I said okay, yeah, and then you know, so I waited to Mike, I said, Mike. He got on yeah man, yeah, Man, see Mike, myself, Mike, Mike, both sides were well. Didn't need to stop. Oh man. But I gotta I gotta say about Mike. Man. You know when he got hurt, when he got injured, yeah, and I think it was ACL or whatever. Oh yeah. To see him come back, just the work that he

put in, I will never forget that. I will never ever ever forget that. He's doing his rehab in the off season, right, and he lived in Carrollton. I lived in Carrollton. And I'm coming to the ranch one day and I see what I thought was like the biggest guy ever riding a bicycle, right, and the seat was way up as far as it will go. And he's writing down the medium on belt line and I'm looking and it's Mike. He's writing to the ranch from home, part of his rehab to try to get ready that

ninety seat. I remember him with the weight best on and he was bounding off for two feet, I mean just as as far as he could go. I mean he just did it over and over and over again, and that was part of his rehab. I remember seeing him in the whirlpool and man, it was one of those days, you know how it is when ye, man, how did I get here? Like my knee messed up? And he was all mad. You just tell he just he was mad. I just remember having to talk with him and I had never seen him that down before.

But but you gotta under stand Walls is he remember he's having a trench coach all the time because he had to read go back and in rebend that knee because it froze on it. He did, he had to froze what do you call it, scar tissue? Yeah, and I had to break it up. And I remember Jim Mora because he that was the brit He was the Brit back then. Jimma like we gonna get this leg right, Mike and Mike just sitting about the crime had on a trench because first his first month, Yeah, that was tough.

I mean he had to be talked to. That's how impassionate. He was about like living up to the promise daddy. He promised his dad. His dad told him he looked at him. His dad was the preacher that preaching in Miami. I mean that worked in Miami, you know, own rules, laying brick, whatever he had to do to take care of eight hundred children like Mike hundred. So his dad to him, you are the one. You're the chosen one.

And so when his dad passed, you know, because his dad spend the weekends driving from Miami up to Georgia to preach and come back home and work, and he told Mike you the one. So Mike felt all his weight on him. He did, and it was like his senior year in high school when he passed. Yeah, and so he kept that that that drive with him the whole time. Yeah, that fear of not not when I'm sure talking to somebody like yourself and myself where that probably helped him out a lot, because that is a

lot of pressure. I know. I remember talking to him one time and after we finished talking, he said, thank you. Yeah, And it wasn't just about me, it was he just needed somebody to be the one that walking through that at that time. I mean he was sitting in that whirlpool man, or in that steam room man, and uh, he would look he was so dried up. I mean his body must have been there the same. Yeah, I

was so dried up. Yeah, yeah, you know, but no, that was sometimes I went by there, and that's exactly physically he looked dried up. Said that. And then hell when they popped that scar tissue and him and Jim shot at gunt and that's when y'all saw all the results. I mean, he never stopped. He worked out like a beast before that, but after that crazy, I mean, he would party from Monday. He would also work out from

Monday to third. You know what I'm saying, Hey, jam Jimmy, Jimmy shit, thank him for everything and this team together. And by the way, after he got left, he found that there was a phone number to the pilot. Yes, he did in the cop pick and if there was he was gonna be late, he'd call in and they would have him mechanical. And by the way, that trip to Detroit that he missed, the that Michael Irvin missed

the flight. It was thirty years ago this week. Wow, wasn't really And I remember pick like thirty seven to three one thirty seven they won, they gain Cowboys won thirty seven. I tell you, I just remember some of his speeches. Coach John's used to have some of the things he used to say. And uh, I mean, I've to tell your story where we was in practice right when we're in Austin, and uh, this one of Jimmy Chipper your days. He comes out, Troy, Troy, how you

doing the baby? Baby? How you doing you? How? How you feel good? Coach? Just let me know now I will feel kind of cut back for you. Hey, Hey, what's up? Man? How you lay our? Coach? Hand me a little tight? Well, you know you ain't doing seven little seven? You know, you know you know inside run you're not doing that, Mike, And that Mike was to judge. If Mike said he was tired, then we was gonna get at least thirty minutes of practice cut short. Other

than that, it was still wide open. Mike. How you feel, miked, Coach, I'm ready to run. Oh, we're gonna have a great deal of practice. Now we gonna have a great right you get over to me, Nate, just get rid of to practice one day. You don't ask me how I was doing it, don't matter. Just get rid of whatever happens. We got three minutes left on the show, and we got a break still to time. Yeah, what about the play? What happened? Why don't I just read it? All right?

And it's Wednesday? Right? Wait, wait before you do that, let's do it in the word of the day today. What's the word of the day? Mickey's used it twice and I hadn't look it up. Perfunctory, perfunctory, carried out, carried out with a minimum of effort or reflection. And that's the way that Mickey reads these. Get cozy and join us at the Star for our most festive movie night yet. Movie Nights at the Star, presented by Monument

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So after you won the Super Bowl in ninety three, back to back, right, and he bout wore you guys out to win those five straight. At the end of the year, Jimmy was doing his radio show on Kara al D and he was getting paid, but the money went to Jerry went to the club. He wasn't getting the money, so they bought him a boat. Right, Okay, So he takes the boat and he disappears for two weeks.

He takes it, he zips down to Florida. He comes back and I ran into him in the hallway by where you guys would eat lunch, and I said, well, where you been? Just like that? And he goes, well, for the first time since I took the job at Oklahoma State, I took a vacation. And I said, what'd you do? And he goes, well, I had the boat. I went to the water, and I said, I said to myself, oh no, he found out there's more life than football. And I'll be darned what two months later? Okay,

we need to get to that chapter. Well, and we can. We are out of time, but just briefly say this all right after Jimmy and Jerry had the press conference the divorce, Okay, Jimmy writes in the book that his dad drove up from Port Arthur and met him at the house and he broke down crying. And the other thing the other chapter, that's great talking about when his mom died and I remember that to what changed his

life was in front of his mom's casket. In nineteen ninety he was still the coach of the Miami Dolphins at that point. But what changed his life was in front of his mom's casket and he realized their family was kind of and then you fast forward. We talked about earlier about his son Chad, and he was very successful and then had battled severe alcoholism, and it was in two thousand and nine. Finally his ultimate victory was saving his son, who now runs a rehab center in Florida.

You know, as old as he was, you could say that he actually grew up. He finally grew up. Yeah, he found out there was something more than football. Immatured in a different way of life. Different, that's right. We went We went to three sixty on Jimmy there at the beginning and where you go. You know, I adopted some of his ways. I did. Man, that straightforwards is something that I won't as long as it's not im moral,

I'm going to get it. You know, I'm serious. I mean, but you've always worked for you, but it worked for you. You got ye three rings because of that, that mindset. So how are you going to change that? Yeah? Wow? Right, And it's it's lessons for all of us to learn.

I mean, because there's so many people that they get or they are good at their job, single they love doing their job, but they got family, and they go so much into I gotta be successful and and you're you're justified by I'm supporting my family doing this, but you don't have the quality family exactly. That's right. Then you turn around. He got a second chance. A lot of people don't get that second chance. That my mother died, he saw his kids. He got to say a lot

of people don't get the second chance. That's right because the world changing. Your kids be like, I don't want to deal with you. I'm telling a lot of coaches out there, but their parents, their family won't deal with them. Wow, Nate, thanks for stopping man. Good stuff. It's good. I just you know, good from everybody s coming to be Mike IRV. But I'm like, nah, anytime, any time you think your guys on your podcast will let you talk, you just

come right on here. Well, you know, Jesse don't understand what the winning that we all been through. Jesse and Jesse he fourth and long he a long shop all right about boy? That does it for mixed shots And we will shout at you again tomorrow at noon. Go Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.