Mick Shots: Hall Is Calling

in Dallas, and they just left me by myself. That's rude. So we are gonna have a special guest here on Mick Shots. Brad Sham Radio Voice. So the Dallas Cowboys starting. If I've got my math right, like sixth decade doing this stuff? Do you ever count them up? I don't count him by decades because that really sounds ponderous. It's it's my forty third season on the radio broadcast. So all right, eleventies, eighties, nineties, two thousand, two, ten and

twenty six six decades? Wow? How about that? It sounds like more years? Yes? Absolutely, and uh, we decided to you guys have certainly heard enough of me talking about training camp and uh, since we have Brad here, who can be our Cowboy historian. Oh, we're gonna talk Hall of Fame, but like you can't. Well, no, you've got a few, You've got one more decade than yeah, than

I do. We'll talk Hall of Fame with the Cowboys having three guys going in uh this weekend after they play in the Hall of Fame game on Thursday night, Jimmy John, Drew Pearson, Cliff Harris, and during Brad's time, He's seen all three guys during their careers here. Although I think Cliff and Drew beat you to the punch they started before me. But I did get to broadcast both of their some of both of their games, so

I did. I did have that provident. Of course, have known them right really wealth for decades, and Brad's gonna be fortunate enough too. After the Cowboys game Thursday night against the Pittsburgh Steelers to remain in Canton, Ohio for all the festivities, including the Yellow Jacket presentation, the Saturday Sunday inductions of all three guys, and maybe best of all,

the post induction parties. You know, I know I'll be at Drew's okay, and the Cowboys are having a reception for all three of them on Saturday afternoon before the induction. That'll be special because it'll be all Cowboys. People who will be there, people who have been affiliated with all three of those guys at various times throughout their ten years. And so I was really honored to be invited to that. And then yeah, then then Drew Drews had come to the party, so you oh, yeah, who am I to say?

Who am I to be rude and say? No? So I yea. I will probably be a little bleary eyed Monday morning catching the flight out of Cleveland, and I won't care. But the pro he is, he'll be ready to go on next week. So the Cowboy party, that'll be pretty neat because normally when Cowboys are inducted, So there's so many Cowboy players in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, a lot of them show up for the induction. I mean they show up some of them yearly, since they they're all part of it. And that'll be a

nice walk down memory lane too. You would think that there would be a lot of the players who played for Jimmy who will be there. I mean, I believe Fox is televising the game Thursday night, So Troy Aikman will be there surely, since he's Jimmy's presenter, he will obviously stay for the ceremony. All of those guys that we covered who played for Jimmy will almost certainly be

there for the ceremony because it's right before the ceremony. Yeah, and then the guys who played with the Cliff and Drew m that you know again, they will be there. You would think as many of you know that Roger Staubuck will be there, and you know that Rayphield right will be there, and some of them are getting up a little bit and hard to travel, don't don't travel quite as well. I know Bob Lilly used to go

all the time, and I hope that he goes. And some of the other ones, you just don't know because they are some of them at an age where Tramp he's get a little bit tougher. But but yeah, you do hope to see an awful lot of them there. Absolutely, So your thoughts on each of the three guys that finally well two of them finally get in. I thought

that Drew and Cliff long overdue. Wasn't sure where everybody would think about Jimmy was only five years with the Cowboys, but then coached in the letter five years in the NFL with Miami, right, and so his was I wasn't sure if longevity meant enough, but I think his success with the Cowboys and how he turned around the organization when it was really floundering, having losing seasons in eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight before he got here in eighty nine,

and prior to that, they had winning seasons all the way from nineteen what sixty six through eighty eight seventy four. Might now they had it, they were They didn't make that right because that was my first year. Yeah, okay, yeah, you know the way that that I always try to relate to that question, Mick is um, can you tell

the story of the NFL without this person? And if the answer is no, whatever your opinion of who they were or how they played or coach or whatever, if you can't tell the story of the league without him, then they have to be in the Hall of Fame. So to address Jimmy's short tenure, there's no way to tell the story of the NFL in the late twentieth century without Jimmy Johnson because he did what you said.

He was at at the forefront of taking that team that some of it was on Tom Landry's last team and eight when they were three and thirteen, that's still the worst Cowboys team I've ever seen, and they and they had to turn the roster over completely. Now, the interesting thing to me always is that the core of the offensive line that won the Super Bowls, Nate Newton, Kevin Gogan, Mark two and A. Those guys were all

starting at eighty eight, right. They were all the ones that all the writers said were the worst offensive line in the history of football. Same guys were starting in ninety one, two three, They you know, they changed out the other couple of pieces, but Jimmy essentially orchestrated. And it's really the same reason Jerry Jones is in the Hall of Fame. You cannot tell the story of the NFL without the prominent place that Jerry Jones holds. And so you can't tell the story the NFL in that

period of time without Jimmy Johnson. I don't think they're Frankly, anything that Jimmy did with the Dolphins that got him into the Hall of Fame it's all what he did with the Cowboys, although the Dolphins can certainly claim him if they want, because you're right, he was their head coach for a while, but he didn't have anything approaching the success that he did in Dallas. But you can't tell that story without him. And so two Super Bowls.

Being the architect of the team that went to a championship game and won a third Super Bowl, I think that certainly merits his spot. I thought Drew was the one whose oversight was most egregious. We get two hung up on statistics. This is not a sport to be measured just by statistics or analytics. It's got its place.

But you know, if you just look at the raw numbers that you would look at Drew and say he didn't do anything, But then put it in context and look at how was the game being played when he played And until his induction. Until his election, Drew was the only member of the Team of the Decade of the seventies who was not in the Hall of Fame. Now, normally players who are elected to the Team of the Decade that they are pretty much shoe ins for the

Hall of Fame. And so why Drew was not in the Hall of Fame until being voted in this year still escapes me. And he was an absolutely essential part of the offense of the early seventies that Roger Staubach captained and on and on oversight excuse me, to me was the most egregious. Now, in Cliff's case, it's harder because we still try to quantify play by statistics, and so how do you quantify a safety. You can't take into account the scheme that was being played, you can't

take into account. So they go by what do they go by? Interceptions? Well, that's completely unfair for a safety. And I think that safety is one of those positions and it is true today Darren Woodson is struggling with the effects of it. The John Lynch was Lynch elected? Is he going in? Yes? Okay, so I think he. I think he belongs in the Hall of Fame. But how do you determine how do you tell ten years down the road, how do you tell John Lynch from Steve Atwater which one of them deserves to be in

More there are some say Troy Polamalo is going in. Well, if you watched, if you just watch the games, you know that Troy Polamalu deserves to be in. Ed Reid went in a year or two ago. Well not last year, but okay, well, he deserves to be if you watch the games watched those helped them win a championship. Edwyd deserves to be in. Well, okay, but now that when Cliff Harris played, there's not so many people who watch

the games who are around doing the voting anymore. And you're now, as is the case Withdrew Pearson, you are somewhat comparing apples and oranges because of the style that was different. So you had to understand the uniqueness of the Tom Landry defense, the role that Cliff and his presenter Charlie Waters played in orchestrating that defense and flouting

it from time to time. The best stories are the ones that Cliff and Charlie and there there then position coach Gene Stallings told about the times that they just decided to do something other than what Tom Landry and the defensive coordinator Ernie Stautner sent in called their own defenses. They did, yeah, they did, and the games and most

of the time it worked, and sometimes it didn't. The Super Bowl right against the Steelers where Charlie Waters ran into the umpire and Frank o'harris went running for a touchdown. Just hysterical story to hear Cliff and Charlie talk about how Terry Bradshaw said he audible to run on that play because he saw blitz, and Cliff and Charlie in unkind terms would say, we didn't blitz, We weren't blitzing. Bradshaw didn't all blitz when he saw it or didn't

see it. I just ran into the umpire. But they would do things regularly to change the defense based on what they thought worked. And that was I think for a long time. And I was probably guilty of this Cliff because he was such a ferocious tackler, and you tackled live in practice, and anybody who played with Cliff Harris and Randy White paid the price for it, right. And so that's how Cliff developed a nickname Captain Crash, not only for what he did in games, but for

how he tackled his teammates in practice. So because he had that physicality and that reputation and practice, Cliff became known as the physical one, and Charlie Waters became known as as the cerebral one, but that that didn't give enough credit to the physicality of Charlie's play or the intellect that Cliff brought to the game. And so you know, Cliff was just instrumental in all of those great Cowboys teams, and I'm very happy for him played in all five

of those Super Bowls during Landry's coaching career. So yeah, and I think the point Brad makes is too many times, the only way some voters can quantify voting for a guy into the Hall of Fame as they look at sticks and as he said, and I've always said that our job for the Hall of Fame is to protect the stories that must live into posterity after we're gone. At some point we won't be here to tell those stories.

Other people won't be here to tell the stories. But the Hall of Fame can save the stories of those three guys. I'm a big believer in I've been on the board of Trustees in the Selection committee of the

Texas Sports Hall of Fame for a long time. I'm a big believer that Halls of Fame exists primarily for that reason, so that fifty years from now, when nobody who saw these people participate are around to attest to what they did, their exploits, their leadership, their talent will live on by anybody who can walk into the Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio. They have the technology to use all kinds of different television calls or radio calls, and different kinds of film, and it's a great experience.

I love going back. You know, we usually only get to go back because our job is out here, Thank goodness, when they have an opportunity to play in the Hall of Fame game or and or if someone special to the organization is being inducted, and you and I have both been fortunate enough to be at a number of those.

And whenever you go to that and you get a chance to walk through the hall and you see the exhibits and the bust room is my absolute favorite, and just walk through and relive the experience of knowing those guys and a lot of them we knew, and not just guys who were with the Cowboys, guys who are

around the league. When you've been around a while, and you and I both have, then you get to know people and and you get to relive that this flood of memories that comes right rushing back by just looking at their at their bust. And so it's a great experience and for anybody who's a football fan, I urge them to take advantage of it if the opportunity, if you can, and go, and I'll give you a great example of what Brad's talking about about preserving those stories.

I had the opportunity several years ago to go to the Olympic Hall of Fame ooh in Switzerland, ooh, and one of the net and this was okay, you win. I can't top that. Maybe twenty years ago. This was before technology really boomed. Right. Well, one of the neat things in that Hall of Fame is with your admission, they gave you two tickets somehow and you could go down into the film room and call up different events.

Oh man, all right. So I knew I know the story of Bob Hayes right the sixty four Olympics before he came to the Cowboys winning the hundred meter dash, but I'd never seen it. I was twelve maybe at that time. I'm sure I watched it, but didn't remember it. So one of my tickets I used was to watch Bob Hayes in the hundred and it was astounding how he after about sixty yards for sixty meters to the end, he kept pulling away. He was leaving everybody behind to win.

And I'm looking at this going, oh my gosh. Right, And the key thing when I was in that Hall of Fame, in that film room is you could look over other people's shoul and see what they picked, and you could watch other events and you picked the event and the language right of the broadcast. And so you know, I saw some events that it was in a foreign language. I had no idea what they're saying, but I remember, you know, maybe the event. So yeah, that's what you're

in now. What the Pro Football Hall of Fames doing is they've upgated, upgraded their technology to the point, well you can watch guys careers, highlights of their careers when you go in those rooms, and it's awfully, awfully special, you know, and the and the unique thing think about the how. And I don't know if this has ever happened for the Cowboys, and not just the Cowboys, maybe the NFL to have two guys going into the Hall

of Fame the same year that we're not drafted. About that they were undrafted rookies who made the team and back then think about it, I will if I remember correctly, both got drafted when they were seventeen rounds. Still go both. We both were signed and they used Not only did they have that many players chosen while they were being passed over, but in those days the Cowboys was not unusual for them to bring a hundred rookies unlimited right.

You could do whatever you wanted, and they would go through a two week camp where they hit before the veterans came in, and you had to when when Cliff Harris survives that, when Drew Pearson survives all that they didn't have four or five guys to beat out, they had thirty at their position. Oh, I remember, and I can't remember it was Drew telling me the story or Cliff, But when they signed their free agent contract of the rookie, they were told they were the number one guy at

that position. And then they show up just like Brad said, and all of a sudden, there's thirty other wide receivers or thirty other safeties that they got to beat out to make the team. And by the way, Drew it, Drew his hysterical tell him the story about how his UH bonus. Oh it was. It was one hundred and fifty dollars. And he told his wife he got seventy five. Yeah, because he wanted to use he wanted to use the seventy five to go back to the Dorman party with

his teammates at at at Tulsa. Yeah, and it was one hundred and seventy five. So they basically paid in cash too. And he'll tell the other part of the story was he said that when he drove to the hotel where the Cowboys scout was after the draft when they signed him, he barely had enough gas in his car to get to the get to the hotel. So he had to spend some of that money on gas to make sure he could get back. Uh yeah, and he was a newly married guy and uh yeah. And

but they bird dogged him. You know, he only played two years of wide receiver, I believe at Tulsa because he got there as a quarterback. As a matter of fact, he was the quarterback in high school they took over. Uh it was in South River, New Jersey for Joeimen at that time, right, And he would call him Joey too, by the way, because that's what he was and they were. They were also the double play combination in baseball, Theisemen at the second and at short and Pierson at second.

So uh so there they were, and they were starting guards on the basketball team together. And at least Drew was at Tulsa. People heard of Tulsa, who had heard of Wachita Baptist. There are people coming for Cliff's induction from Washata, who, um, we'll never get another opportunity or reason to go to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And uh, it's amazing that, you know. And you look at the career that he had and you say, why did Arkansas not recruit him? They were a power in

the Southwest Conference? Right, and they didn't. He played at Wachtab Baptist and he was he was a quarterback. Uh and and even to how unique his story is when he was coming out of high school in desark God knows where that is in Arkansas, right, you'll find out now, oh yeah, because he'll talk about it. And uh, he was a he was a quarterback coming out and when he first got there, you know, they finally said, okay, we're gonna move you to safety. Um and and the

neat thing about it is. He didn't get a scholarship to even watch it tab Baptist until a friend of his father, who they played together at Watch It Toad they're in their college days, recommended Cliff Harris to the head coach, and he got a scholarship and now he's going to the Profoil and now he's going in the Pro Football Hall of Fame with by the way, he helped construct a new stadium for watching tab Baptist that

has his name on it. And I had the opportunity several years ago, probably five six something like that, we did a legends story on Cliff for the Dallas Cowboys for TV, and we drove to is It Arcadelphia Arhikadelphi, Coladelphia and interviewed Cliff in the new press box at the stadium, right, and the folks there provided us pictures of Cliff driving the tractor that pulled down the last

portion of the old stadium. But it was so neat for him to go on the field and say, yeah, right here, I did this or this happened right and yeah, And that's one of the reasons small college football at that time that he's done the award for Small College Player of the Year, which is a really neat award because some of those guys that they've selected have actually made it into the NFL and it made it and

done very well. And the fact that they could not have an induction last year because of COVID, right, means that there are there ten of them going in Saturday from the class of twenty or is it more well, there was twenty nominees and I think they've picked ten. I think that's right. And then and then Drew is in the class that will go in Sunday night from

the class of twenty one. But because there are so many, they're being limited to like six minutes, right, And Drew got in as the loan nominee by the Senior committee, but they were going to make up for the seniors that hadn't made it the year before, but then they had to push the induction back. So yeah, their stories are so unique that they got here. And really, Drew

will tell you a story. You know, he made the team in nineteen seventy three as a rookie because special teams, because he was considered second third team wide receiver at the time until some guy got hurt and he got a chance to start. And even Cliff Atto Stowe is the guy. Yes, and Drew Will credits Otto Stowe with being the one who taught him how to run routes and play pro football right. And then it was Auto Stow who got hurt, whose job Drew took and never

gave it up. And then Cliff his rookie year in nineteen seventy, he had earned a starting job, and then he had military service duty. Well, the people today don't remember or acknowledge this, but I was in the same exact spot in that same year where you, if you were fortunate, you got into a National Guard or Army reserve unit so that you didn't go immediately overseas to

combat in Vietnam. And so Cliff was one of a number of those players who had to They had to go to two weeks bivouac, two weeks training during the summer. They had to make a meeting one weekend a month. You know, they don't care that the Eagles game is coming up. You're you gotta go. And so he'd made the team and then he had to and then he

had military duty for a while. He handed up with only five starts in eleven games that year, and he will profess that when he had to do his military duty, that gave Charlie Waters a chance to get on the field, that's his story, and played right. Uh, and then they both earned starting jobs after that. But yeah, he you know what, nineteen seventy one, I was in the same boat as you were because they they got rid of all the all the exceptions. College deferment went away, and

I ended up in ROTC for two years. But yeah, that was a real thing, and you were lucky. You were lucky to get an ROTC because they were just stands for a Reserve Officer Training Corps, right, And I wasn't a very good trainer. I gaining you were training to be an officer, and I was the lowest rank possible. I was an eleven bravo. I was what they call

a grunt, an infantry soldier. I think my induction class was the last one they were sending people to Vietnam before the deal got called off in I want to say it was February of nineteen seventy three. I saw the thing come over the ticker tape at the newspaper. Missed it by that manche got it. But anyway, that's how those guys careers began, and Jimmy, you know, Jimmy coached. You know. Everybody thinks, well, he was a coach here

with the Dallas Cowboys those five years. But I went back and looked, and he spent twenty I want to say it was twenty five years coaching before he got the Cowboys, and it was small college high school at one point before he sort of broke through. Twenty four years. It was, and he coached from nineteen sixty five to nineteen eighty eight before he got the Cowboys job. But check your math. Did was he ever anywhere longer than five years? No? In his life, he has never held

a full time job. You can't count his Fox job because he does. He flies in one or two days a week in the non pandemic. And he's never held a job in his life. It's part of his story. A full time job longer than five years. None of the high school jobs, none of the college jobs, assistants, defensive coordinators that I was he at Iowas. I always

stayed Pittsburghsburgh. He did Oklahoma, Arkansas, and then he got the head coaching job at Oklahoma, Oklahoma State five years, five years, and then he went to Miami how long five years, and then he came to Dallas. How long five years? And then he went to the Miami Dolphin. It was only four yeah, yeah, and then they got blown out in the playoffs. And when he went to Miami, he had to deal with something that he didn't have to deal with in Dallas, which was free agency, right

and the beginnings of the salary cap. They didn't have any of that, right. But that's just that's not being critical, that's just part of Jimmy's And he met Miami Dolphins, not the university, that's right. He and and and he he um. Jimmy uh grew restless, uh going into the five year period wherever he went, and that's why he moved all the time. But yeah, he had a kind

of a not a typical college resume. I mean, look at Dave Campo's resume as a matter of fact, a matter of fact, there was one job left off because he had accepted a job as a one of them what do they call the intern, the graduate assistant coaches at in college in college at Clemson. And he got there. Frank Howard, He's got great Frank Howards, I got great

Frank Howard stories from my first newspaper job. But yeah, Frank Howard was the head coach, and then he was there in the off season and before the next semester started he got the offer to come back, and I can't remember it was to Oklahoma or Arkansas. And he came back and and and so he never coached really a season at Clemson, but had been there. Uh. Yeah, he tells some great story Frank Howard's stories, and boy, what a Now there is a guy character all lord.

I remember doing interviews with him in his office when he had become the ad and he had a spit tune on the side of his desk and that was part of his deal when he was doing an interview with you. But yeah, so Jimmy, Jimmy paid his dues before he got the breakthrough. And I remember when he got the job at Oklahoma State. I was doing Big eight Skyrider tours and that's when I first met him, and I said, you know what, this guy's a little different.

You know the thing that's interesting to me about Jimmy. I mean, all of these, all of the coaches the Cowboys have had, have been really good football minds and in varying degrees and differing ways, really good instructors. Jimmy,

of course, had a psychology degree. And I'm not sure as much as Bill Parcel's loved to push buttons, and as much as Tom Landry would admit that he sent messages to his players through the media, I don't think that there's ever been anyone who was able to and I'll say this word advisedly and mean it in a positive way. I don't think there's ever been anyone who was able to manipulate his people psychologically like Jimmy Wasn't that Jimmy didn't have as much football expertise as anyone else.

Clearly he did. What a great resume, he had, great organizational skills he had, and he's the first one to say it, he's a phenomenal life for evaluating talent. But Jimmy really knew how to get players. I've never seen anyone have the talent that Jimmy did. For saying to his players on Monday, this is this is our theme this week. He would quickly dissect the game they had just played, and he would establish the theme of the week.

Tuesday was the player's day off, and by the time we got a chance to talk to him on Wednesday, they were all parroting that line, right, And that's a great that's a sign of a really artful coach. And if he needed to emphasize that message on Tuesday during his press conference weekly press conference, he would emphasize that through the media and if he needed those guys to know that he was poed going into Wednesday's practice. You remember the time he walked out of the press conference.

He just got mad at a question. He had already determined he was mad, right, and that he was going to walk out like a basketball coach looking for the opportunity to get a technical, right, And he walked out of the press conference because he wanted to send a message to the guys that hey, we are gonna be down to business on the next day. I can't tell

you how many times he did. At that time, they got beat by the Giants really bad up in the Meadowlands, and he just totally ignored the game and started complaining about the officiating, like since my daddy blew up a football, that was a penalty, right, And he would go on and on and he would take the attention away from how bad they were in nineteen eighty nine. Uh, I could tell you in Uh, I believe it was. It was either eighty nine or no, it was eighty nine.

And back then the newspaper would give us a week off because Treny camp would go six weeks. Right. So my family came down and we were in San Diego before a preseason game, right, and get in the elevator and the door opens and Jimmy gets in, right. So remember we were giving him a hard time that that fresh, that rookie year, and this was I saw it had

been ninety that's right. So anyway, he uh, he looked I introduced him, introduced my wife and our daughter, and and he looks at our daughters, probably ten eleven, and he goes, yeah, he goes, you need to talk to your daddy because he's pretty hard on me. But that was Jimmy, right, Yeah, So when did she U? Yeah, no, she was she was like, uh were you? Yeah? Right,

but you know that's that was him. And uh but you know what, after that initial part, you got to understand him, and he was he would be then very honest with us, uh even tell us everything. But he was honest. It was easy to see the skills that Jerry saw when he Jerry knew obviously when he bought the team that he was gonna hire Jimmy. And it's easy to see the organizational skills, the talent evaluating skills, and the and the personnel handling skills that Jimmy had

that made him successful so quickly. Yeah. Uh. And one last story, So before they drafted Troy Aikman, they were acting like, well, we don't know if we because Jerry was trying to. They were trying to, you know, make sure that he didn't get paid too much. Right, we got another guy we can take at the first pick. You know. It was the Tony manderis the offensive lineman that went to Green Bay and flamed out and afterward and he was playing he was playing poker, right, poker

faced the whole thing. So after the draft they took Aikman and the actually before and then got him signed before the draft, and I think a week or so later we were in there. So we got to go in his office like Monday, I think the beat writers and interview them. When we got in there and he got presented by I think it was Edward or a Decca Cards like to say, okay, you were playing poker with us, right, Well, he proudly kept that Decca cards in the front of his desk the whole time he

was there. Yeah, that was cry to ride. Well, I'll tell you what, Brad, thanks for Johnny. You bet we could have done this for two hours, probably telling stories about these guys. But you know what, their stories will be told the weekend they get inducted this Saturday and Sunday in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, And I would think that's got to be must set without doubt.

And I'm we haven't been told, and I don't think the club as of midday on Monday, has even been told by the NFL what the game day protocols will be, because one of the highlights every year is seeing both teams who are playing in the game line up in uniform during pregame, line up on the field, and the new Hall of Famers come paraded out, usually in Hawaiian shirts, to acknowledge both teams, and of course, in the case of Jimmy and Drew and Cliff, one of the teams

will be the Cowboys. Troy Palamalu and I guess Alan Fanica and a couple others would be recognized by the state. I don't know if that'll happen because of the COVID protocols that are still going on the field, who can be on the field, who can be in contact with whom, and but I do know that at because we've both been at enough of them. When you experience an induction ceremony, there are a lot of Hall of famers who come back and they sit up on the stage. I'm sure

they'll be distanced. I'm sure they'll be socially distanced, but a lot of them wear their gold jackets. Yeah, and you look up and see decades upon decades upon decades of the greatest that Pro football has had to offer.

Now they're all sitting here and they're paying tribute to these people who are going in and to sit there in that audience and here Jimmy Johnson, and here Cliff Harris, and here Drew Pearson tell their stories and relive their careers for those of us who have followed this franchise for a while, that'll be a great throat. Well, you enjoy that. And I'm just telling everybody else out there, if going to the Pro Football Hall of Fame weekend

induction is a bucket list. It's attainable. You can do it. It's not too expensive, you can get there, and there's places to stay. You don't have to stay in Canton. You can stay in Cleveland, Akron. But it's an untatable deal. So I think everybody needs to do that, especially if you've never been through the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton. For Brad Shama, Mickey Spagno, this was Mick

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