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Hall of Famer Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola. And this is a good day because the Cowboys have decided to go ahead in practice today for the New England Patriots. They are outside on the practice as we speak, because Mike wanted to smell the grounds like football. It's exactly right. But they have turf in New England. Yes, I believe they do. Okay, he just wanted to smell. I was trying to remember it because that driving rainstorm in twenty nineteen. Yeah,

the field didn't get torn up. They were fine. Yeah, yeah. And of course yesterday they were indoors because we had the looming presence of thunderstorms in the area. But outside today even though there was still a looming presence of cloud cover. Well, they were prepared at one point to take it inside, and then nothing happened, so they stayed out there because when it was our turn to come in, they said, oh, we're gonna stay here because the guys are going in. And then I think the radar cleared.

So there you are outside for the whole session. And it's supposed to be decent weather, I think on Sunday, although it's been a couple of days since I checked on that. And in contrast to two years ago and the Cowboys went up there in a monsoon and lost to the Patriots thirteen to nine. I don't think I've seen the game played in worse weather like they had to continue playing now. I played in New Jersey, man, so I don't know about that. Spags, Well, I didn't

see it. I mean, and Cleveland, by the way, it was a driving, a driving rain storm. You'd rather snow than the rain coming down like that, that's true. And it was coming down sideways because the wind was blowing. Nineteen ninety when we played Buffalo, I was with the Giants. We played Buffalo in New Jersey and it was below freezing and it rained. Yeah, the entire game below for rain the entire game. It wouldn't stop. So once you fall, because puzzles all those play. Once you fall in your wet,

it's over, right, it's over. It's like being in the snow, you know, once you fall in the snow, your hands are cold, you can't do anything a sox are wet. It's done, it's done. And so yeah, that was pretty miserable. I met my free safety, Myron Guiding. He's coming up to me and he's he's talking, you know, as his jaw is quivering, and I'm like, what did yous to say? And he couldn't even repeat himself. He was so cold. I think the only worst weather game I've seen. And

I don't know if you guys remember this. It would have been the Ice Bowl, No, it was, it was close. It was the Fog Bowl. Oh yeah, yo, Chicago and Philadelphia. Yeah. And I was in the press box and could not see past maybe a third of the field going across right. And at one point the fog got so thick. We were watching the TV monitor because the TV cameras could lighten up, could they can get more light on the field, right, And so you can see better because we couldn't see.

I couldn't see the other side, but not see the other sideline. Why were you at the Fog Bowl, which, by the way, was played New Year's Eve nineteen eighty eight. I was working at the newspaper and we covered things like that newspaper, the Dallas Times. Harold, you went to an Eagles Bears game? Yea in nineteen eighty eight. Yes, we covered the playoffs because the Cowboys. Yeah, they covered the playoffs and the Cowboys were not in it. Yeah, so they still had to cover it, whether we were

ended or that. Plus they had I had a free place to stay, right, my parents were still living there. I think he volunteered that. You got the hes there for the holidays. Why I had been on Times, Harold didn't send you. I had been on the Bears beat since eighty five. Basically, I spent I spent half the season in eighty five up there covering the day. So were you the NFL reporter or were you the Cowboys beat? Right? I was the backup guy. I was. I was the

guy that did everything. Okay, okay, so you were sometimes the NFL beat porter, sometimes the Cowboys beating. Absolutely No, I wasn't the beat reporter. I was the backup guy when the beat reporter took a day off. Okay, so the time cowboy reporter, but backup soup for the Times Harold, Then who were the cowboy? Who is the Cowboys beat reporter? And did you have an NFL reporter that traveled to every city? We had? So Jim Dent was the Cowboys

beat reporter. And then the NFL. I think maybe it was Jack Shephard was doing he was doing college those he was also doing backup, he was doing NFL. Let me tell you, those were glory days of reporting. Absolutely And why is that talk to me? Because we covered everything, you know, and what really happened in Dallas for Worth Media, What would you say it was when Dave Smith came here the Morning News and what the Boston Globe, and this relates to the Patriots. It always was the pinnacle

as far as newspapers sports sections go. And so Dave Smith came to Dallas in the eighties, I don't remember exactly when and turn and turned the Dallas Morning News sports page into sports Day, okay, and in the coverage just went through the roof. Well, there was great competition between the Times Harold and the Morning News. So the Times Harold matched that with the Morning News. We tried. Yeah, at the time we started, well yeah, we started running

out of fun. You started, and we're talking about we're talking about writers that that have well known you know, some in the Hall of Fame, you know that were well he was, he came a little later those, but but that it was born though during that time. And of course Skip Bayliss was. It was the Times Harold first,

then Morning News or Ice first, Bike shared. I mean, now he was Morning News, then Time, okay, and Blackie was the Times Harold and then he went to the Brandy Galloway and you know, and but the coverage from the high schools to the colleges, to the professional ranks and every sport was second to none. Well it just like I told the story yesterday about me, they have sending me to the Giants to do stories before the Cowboys played the Giants in eighty six. It trickled over

to television too. I mean, I was telling the story about when the Cowboys played the Eagles in nineteen ninety two, the Monday night game Cowboys started the season I think four and oh that year Big Monday night game. I was working at Channel five in Dallas at the time, and they sent me there all week. I was there in the Eagles locker room on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday doing stories on the Eagles leading up to that game. So you're saying the sports publications had the money and then

investment in it. To invest in it sends you, guys where you need to remember. I remember full coverage, versus now,

versus now, give me now. So what you're looking at, you find somebody that lives there to do your freelance stock And actually, during the nineties after the paper and I was freelancing, that was part of my freelancing because people the change, they knew I was here, right, and instead of sending their guy the expense, it's like, okay, for a couple hundred bucks, he can do a story for us, right, And when you're freelancing, it's like whatever they pay is good. Right, You're not gonna sit there

and you know that's not enough money to compromise the coverage. Though, do you think if you find somebody that you trust and you're basically doing feature stories, right, it's not like you're digging for news or anything, and uh, yeah, that was And I was fortunate because when I was freelancing, the cowboys got good, right, and it was good timing

because now everybody wanted a piece of them. But yeah, that was a very different error in the eighties when I got from the from you guys standpoint, well you I mean, you witness it. You saw the battles going on in the locker room between the beat writers, right, well, that was very interesting. Well, and the other part of it is the access, and of course now with after COVID and so forth, it's been cut back, you know,

to where there's no access in the locker room. I have always said the battle between the Beat writers in the Dallas locker room, I don't know what was going on in Boston and the Raiders with some of the very controversial teams. I thought that was the beginning of this way too information of age and era that we're in now. I told you Jim did hiding around the corner, you know, trying to listen to our conversations in the in the locker room, and there was a lot of

stuff going on. Culturally, we had the union, we had to still always had the racism thing going on, so everything was just so volatile. And those beat writers used that Myers ends up at HBO, Dent ends up you know where he ended up. But Skip Bayless ends up, you know, writing a book and he trashed the Cowboys. And when I went up there at one time to do an interview of all the people to have an office, no one else had an office up there. And this

wasn't in and this wasn't in Connecticut. It's somewhere in New York. I forget what the studio was. What is it. Woody the older dude. Yeah, Woody and Skip had an office, and they loved them up there. I think because of the controversy that they stirred up. Everyone loved Skip because of the book that he wrote about the whole thing about Troy Aikman and all of that. Then all of a sudden, these guys have top billing on TV in

New York nationwide. And to me, that was the beginning of this whole uh gossip type of coverage that they that they use now when when they covered the team. Yeah, but and I hated that it was it was a little bit more. It was little different back then because people they I know what they were doing, right, but at least it was journalistically sound. It wasn't you believe that? Oh yeah, now not not books, not books, yeah, books are never yeah yeah yeah. But from a newspaper standpoint.

But some of these, some of the exposees, that's that's all just clouded in. It's a it's a mini book, it's a novella. Well remember Watergate changed everything? Well, well you know what we had the water Gate in in uh thousands, in not thousands, but the Valley round, Yeah, water stars. Remember when Gary Myers did the survey or he did a poll on who who they wanted for quarterbacks either Danny White or first of all I Steve or not Steve Gary? Yeah, Gary, hoga boo. Yeah, I

was one of those. I was one of those that started that. So I totally raised my hand. I'm not I don't have from anything. I totally raised my hand on that one. And I remember, I remember Myers Myers, and I think I saw this. Myers walked into where the little lunch room was, right and and uh hoga Boom said what are you doing in here? This players only? And he goes, well what are you doing? And Hoga Boom grabbed him. So funny grabbed him by the shirt and carried him out of the luxury. I thought you

were gonna say, grabbed him by his pencil neck. Well it might as well be in his net, right, I mean, the competition was fierce. I remember in eighty six, came back from London after the preseason game, and so it was they gave the other guys off and I had to go to Thousand Oaks. I should say I got to go to Thousand Oaks and cover that week. Well

it was the week where the usfl folded. And uh, it folded when we were in London, as a matter of fact, because we were up in the hospitality room at the hotel and Tech got the call from Pete Roselle and they were going on and on, just celebrating on the phone, and Text was loud, Oh Pete, I love you and all this stuff, right, and and and Marty Text's wife, she was a beauty, right, and she goes te, she goes Text. If you get any louder, the Queen's gonna hear you out the window. So anyway,

I had to come back. And that's when the cowboys were able to negotiate with Herschel to Uh, to get him because they had already drafted him, so they had the rights. So I had to do the beginning of the Infant Toys. Yeah, I had to do his big,

long story on herschel Walker. And so we're in the media dorm at thousand at Kalou and I'm scrambling trying to get herschel and I basically left him a message, right, So I got my story already written, and about one o'clock in the morning or maybe midnight West Coast time, the phone rings and the person goes, Hi, this is herschel Walker. And I ain't buying it right because he was in New Jersey and this is three It's three

o'clock in the morning. Right. Not not the best person in person, right, I could I could have tried harder. So my college roommate was pretty bad. I found that maybe that's what the phone calls out. So my college roommate covered herschel Uh. He was working in Atlanta at the paper and he was at Georgia then, so he had Herschel's voice down perfectly, and I'd already talked to him about the story what he was like when he was at York. I thought it was him. So I

wasn't falling for it. I was just gonna ask in name questions, right, and just to test it out, right, And about three or four questions in at dawn damage Walker. Right, So we get this long interview, right, it's in three in the morning. Three in the morning. He calls me back and he's in you know he was living in Trump Towers. Okay, because Trump and so yeah, that's why he's running. Yeah, right, thank you. I want to bring

so so I do this long, I do this. We must have talked for a half hour, right, he was great, and uh we get to the end and he goes, uh, do you know um guy Gary Myers. He said, I think it's the I think it's the Morning News. Call the Myers after this show. Oh, I probably told him the story, right, And I go yeah. He goes, well, can you do me a favor? Uh tell him that I tried to return his phone call. So if you

see him, tell him to give me a call. And I said, oh, absolutely, so he can do his story too. I'll call him right after my exactly. I said, oh, yeah, absolutely right. But see what you see that that's coming from a journalistic place, right, right, but when you're talking about what's the dude named Martinez? It's from Channel thirty three following the guy's home from the Strip clubs after they just landed from the way game. Tell me where

the journalists? That was TV. Sorry, that was but hiding very ridiculous man, the tree and that I was talking about. This is what I'm talking about. It it started that where we are now, it started where we are now too well, now nothing. It's not just about how you play now, it's about what you believe in, how you talk, what you look like, how marketable you are. It's totally gotten away from the game itself. I won't argue with that. Now we've blurred the line, blurred the line between journalism

and opinion. I like that. And then and the young kids don't know the difference because they that's what they've grown. That's right, that's read newspaper. Very good. Well, that was interesting, Well it was different. Hey, you can only get that on mixed right, And how did it relate to this week's game? We have no idea because we talked about the Boston Globe and the Dallas Sporting News about and by the way, when we come back, Yes, I read

some interesting stuff in the Boston Herald on this game. Okay, so they still have two new spaces, still do yeah Boston, Okay, one of the few places. All right, two in Chicago, two in Boston, two three in New York. Still two in l L A. H. The Washington Times went out of business and they came back in somewhat of a different form. But yeah, the Washington Post is still there.

But most of the most of the cities have one newspaper. Miami, do we consider we have two here even though it's Dallas and four because back then you said two, it was actually three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we had three weight competition. I can tell you some stories about in Irving. We did not get the forward Star. Tell they didn't make it that far. Nah, we didn't get in down Trampton Park. All right, we continue with more and I

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Text Cowboys to NFL d a L that's six three five three two five to receive ten percent off your next pro shot purchase messages frequency may vary, Message and data rates may apply. That sounded familiar. That was good. That was good way to go. That's an all encompassing one. It was, yes, and you've got it spur of the moment and you see once again the spunt and I'm preparing a panic attacks. All right, do you have your injury report? I do have an injury report here for you.

So Trayvon Diggs did not practice. Oh yeah, that's right today he did today practice. Yesterday he has a left ankle. And today, in the portion that we were watching, uh, he was doing his rehab work on the resistant chords and I noticed, see what a good reporter I am, he had tennis shoes on. Okay, so that meant he probably wasn't practicing, right. Uh So, yeah, he missed. And then yesterday, Uh, I guess Demante Kaz had a hip

problem going on and he didn't finished. He started to try, I guess, and he didn't practice and it didn't look like he was going to practice again today. So uh, those are the have the injury report yet this is yesterday. I'm just telling you observation from watching the portion that we got to watch. Uh. Ezekiel Elliott was listed as limited yesterday with ribs and by the way, He did interview after practice yesterday, and I want you to hear

his description of his injury back ribs. It's ribs right here on the back side of me. You know, your ribs go like you know what I mean. So it's the ribs on the back side. So what he did was he went like, your ribs go on the way around. Oh, thank you for that. You knew this or I mean it almost sounds like a kidney punch. Well, yeah, yeah, you fell on the Dard camera. Let you finish the injury.

I'd love to get to Zeke though at some point. Okay, And so he was limited yesterday, but from what we saw, he had the helmet on. The today's the heavy day, they put the pads on, and he looked like he was gonna, uh participate. Randy Gregory was listed as limited, he looked like he was just fine. And Donovan Wilson has uh they've got him listed as limited, but watching him out there, he's pretty much looks like he's ready

to go. So if if Kaz can't go, Wilson might be able to go, and that would kind of makeup and that just give us more hype. In the second dary and I did say Randy Gregory, right, he uh, he was out there. He was limited yesterday, but he was out there practicing when we were there and asked for the Patriots. They're starting running back Damien Harris Ribs, by the way, I don't know if, I'm not sure where, but he did not practice yesterday. And Shack Mason, their

starting guard, did not practice yesterday. And Jalen Mills hamstring was limited. And when I was reading in the Boston Herald, they were saying, well, if he is able to play, So there was some question the cornerback cuts. Now they've got some. They've had some real issues on their offensive line, and in fact, it was a makeshift bunch of characters that were starting on their offensive line playing on their

offensive line last week against the Texans. A couple of them have been on the COVID list, which did not appear on that intright, they don't have to put him on. Their starting left tackle Isaiah Winn, who started the first four games of the season, did not play last week against Houston because he was on the COVID list. They do they did. I am seeing here at hey, Mike Anwanu. I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name. Rights is back at practice today for them, and he was on

the COVID list, I believe before. Okay, Bill, Yes, you want to hear Bill Belichick on his offensive line situation. Yes, I would love to hear this is This is coach Belichick on the offensive line situation in New England. Okay, Yeah, let's take a day by day. So goes there. That was it. I swear, I swear that was the most first conference yesterday when asked about his offensive linement. Okay, they are also missing Justin Herron at practice today. He's

another offensive tackle. See. That's why you need intrepid reporters. That's why you gotta be there man in his face. And Shaq Mason was participating today. So they had listed Herron as limited yesterday, okay, and this one saying he missed he was not at the open portion of practice today, okay for the Patriots, but Shack Mason was back. Well, we'll just take it day by day, yep. So he But you know what, I'm shocked they send us an email today from the Patriots that the coach will be

available tomorrow on a zoom call. I was like Belichick's really going to do a zoom call with us, just with the Dallas Report. Yeah, it's for us. Yeah, Oh cool, I'm assuming it was just for us. Yeah, it'll be interesting.

But he's uh, you know the interesting thing that I read where the reporters in Boston are looking at this game as a big test to see where the Patriots are right, And my column for tomorrow I got started on it was going to be this is gonna be a big test to see if this Cowboys offense is for real going up against Belichick and the number five defense in the league, which, by the way, I'm gonna go back and listen to our show from Tuesday and

quote Everson Walls on what Belichick likes to do defensively when he goes up against a high powered offense until Bill stopped him from giving away. So I think it's interesting how they're looking at this game, and I think people for the Hall of Fame, Now you're gonna right, he didn't do for the Hall of Fame. Now you just screwed all of that. Right. You want to hear Bill Belichick on the Cowboys offense? I would love it. Oh, here we go. This is yesterday as press conference on

the Cowboys offense. They're balanced, They're good at everything. Balanced. They do a lot of things that compliment other things that they do. Wow, that was a deep state about that. Other things that I've got more, very deep statement. That's a deep statement, Belichick on the digs. You want that one here, let's go. I think we have time for it. Read this is on. They asked him about Treyvon Diggs and he had Lea's league and six interceptions. This is

what his comments was. Yeah, stinctive, very talented, guy, plays the ball well, good cover skills. That's it. How do you stay awake? Yeah? Man? And this gonna be the show. His press conference in history shortest answers fourteen minutes long. Fourteen minutes long. We've got about fifteen comment. That's crazy's comment a minute. The question. This is a really funny one. Actually.

They asked about um dan Quinn's defense. Okay, like, you know, has he changed the defense coming, you know, going from Atlanta to here? And this was his comments yesterday. I'm the foundation of it's similar. I wouldn't say it's quite the same time. Let's take about it. They've changed some things. They changed some things, they change some things, you know, for me, come on there, why even go in there?

So how are we waiting for that one moment? All right, Let's say he was sort of a journeyman coach and he had been this is like his fourth team, and how would he How would his press conferences be different if he was a coach that was maybe on the hot seat and doesn't have twenty two years of success in doing like anyone would show up. I don't think that would be And how would he be perceived by the media They jump all over just the way, and I think and an owner wouldn't keep him as the coach.

I mean, if you're not selling your team a little bit more than that. Yeah, no, exactly. You can understand him being a journeyman just by his interviews. I mean, come on, nobody wants to talk to him. He don't want to talk anybody. That's crazy. I wonder if he had the sweatshirt cut, collar off and shorts. When I first met him, he was, you know, just a pleasant dude, a normal normal yeah. And then after that man once once that meeting was over, next time I saw it,

it was totally different. But like I said last year, I would regularly listen to his press conferences, and there are certain days that he was more forthcoming and interviews and stuff. Those are the ones. That's why you stay, That's why waiting for that moment where he would go thirty minutes just talking and philosophically about things, and so be like, man, you missed it. Oh damn, I'll tell you what though. You know, Tom was nice about it,

but he didn't give out information. That's exactly right. There's another uh comparison there between Belichick and Landry that he didn't believe and giving up it. I remember the first time I asked him a question in a press conference, and it was one of those tuesdays and I finally got up the nerve to ask a question. I had it rehearsed and I got it out there and he said rehearsed, No, not the answer. Micky was in front of him in your mind out this is my moment.

And then we're talking to himself in the mirror, and then Tom he's actually, should I call him code like I should? Like you guys just ruined the punchline. Sorry, man, sometimes you are the parson. So his answer his answer was no, not really, and that was it. That's it. I don't remember the question. From all I know is the answer was no, not that. And remember what the question every time he got a question he didn't want to answer was that was not really? That was it? Yeah?

Just no, not really was the answer that question? You worked so hard in front of the mirror of the morning before, and that's all I got. You're gonna kill its bags. I'm looking all right. I got one last one for you guys. So this was the the quote unquote David Moore first question out of the box. The guy asked the question, and then the answer from Bill I. I put the question in there because you're like, okay,

what's this guy really asking? Okay, so listen, listen to this is the first question out of the box yesterday. One of the reasons it seems like the Cowboys are hard to sack offensively is they've got a good line, but death gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Or they are they have They been a short kind of attacking passing game from what you've seen. If they're open, open down the field, we'll throw the throw down the

field and he'll throw it to everybody whoever's open. And a lot of times you just got two or three guys to choose from. It's a hard grip to cover. Actually that was a good answer because the guy's question was like, did you ever watched the Cowboys play? It was a leading you know, it was like, he's like a leading questions. They almost answered the question for him in the question there get the ball out fast because they don't throw the ball down the field. Right, Oh, okay,

you said that, I didn't. Did you watch the game last week? Yeah? Goodness. He probably should have said. Parcels would have said all. Parcels would have just said, you

know what, parselves would story. Parcels would have ate up today's press conference too, when they got kept going on this this mental thing the coach Chad and and the questions kept coming and coming and coming, and it was the second day in a row, and all I could think of in my mind, Parcels would have go, Okay, we had enough of this, and see you could you imagine the difference between those two in meetings? Oh yeah, because you know Bill's Bill, right, I'm sorry, Belichick's Belichick

and plus sales plus seals. Yeah, so I would imagine once Belichick became the boss, his own boss. It to change a little bit different. The dynamic changed a little bit because first you got yeah, yeah, yeah, and he got quiet. Now I'm the boss, you know what I'm saying. So that's kind of how they knocked heads a little bit when they separated. So what was Belichick like in a meeting room? He was just like the press conference.

I mean, he's just gonna tell you what you need to know, a little bit more emphatic when it comes to stressing certain things that are important. But when I got there, everyone in the room was a veteran. You know, lt was smart. You know by the time he had been been with Bill all that time, with Belichick all the time, he learned a lot of things. And he not only did he play instinctively, he was a better player as he got older because the stuff that Belichick

taught him. Now you're sitting up there with Call Banks, that's another coach on the field, Gary Reasons, that's another coach on the field. So you really everything's almost kind of understood in the meeting. We've been here before, guys that hadn't changed the defense since eighty six or whatever since he got there. So it wasn't like they had the whole to justness to make and they play against the same opponents. He knows the same coaches, so he attacks it in that way in a very uniform manner.

And like I said, the most exciting thing that happened was when LT was later or something, and that never happened. Well, no, not much, all right, let's talk Zeke here when we come back. Okay, in just a moment. On mix shots. At Smoothie King, we are blending goodness to fuel your grayness. Every blend is crafted to help you achieve your health and fitness goals. Smootie King uses only whole fruits and

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slash appearances. Nice, very nicely done, Mickey Spagnola. As we have about eight minutes left on this edition of Mix Shots, we play to cut from him Zeke talking about to him being limited in practice yesterday and his rib injury which stretches all the way to his backside. Um. There has been a series the Zeke interviews this season have been very entertaining. So did you catch all of yesterday's I did not? Ye have some more you would like

to pass along. Well, they were asking him about last year, okay, and he said, oh yeah, he goes that was an S show meeting himself the fumbles and he called it, called it an S show. That is very accurate. A lot of people would concurred with that, you know. But like the other day, he's talking about Trey Vin and we've talked about on the show and the number of interceptions. Why he's at six now, Man, what's a record nine or ten? And and someone said fourteen. Oh oh, that's

a lot. Yes. The giggle that he has is just it's infectious, and it's it's so funny, the giggle at the end of the rib. But you know what, he's become more real this year, like he's let his guard down. I'm not sure why, but he was very protective for I would say the majority of his first three seasons, and I think a lot of it had to do with the court case and and he didn't trust people. There's something. There's no baggage this year. He's in a

really good place. And part of it maybe he knows he's in the best shape probably of his life, and he's he's playing well and he's just in a great frame. Of mind. But it's it's in those interviews you can really see it. And I think you put it best there that it's he's not guarded at anything, that he he's just himself and you can see what of how he has got to be one of the most popular guys in that locker room. Oh absolutely, And I think

he's taken a leadership role too in there. And if you think about at the end of these interviews before, when we were in the locker room and everybody's huddled around him, he would finish and then he just kind of put his head down and you know, and walk off. There was no little very rarely a chit chat. Now he finishes and he goes all right, well good, everybody have a good day, you know, and it's like, all right,

I don't know. Maybe it's a maturity about him that where he felt like he had to be guarded on what he said and so we would kind of get caught in his answers to questions where he wasn't sure what to say, and so he would stumble a little bit. But he is just it's very smooth. I've told our producers at CBS eleven, we need to put a reel together of just the funny stuff which has that laughter and stuff of throughout this season. By the end of the season, you could have a five minute reel that

is just really entertaining. And he's laughing at his talk. He's he's last joke. It's self deprecating. I mean, it's just it's it's just really cool. And part of it too, he's very very comfortable because people wonder, oh, Tony Poler is getting all these carries and stuff. He's fully on board with that. You can just tell that that's he's bought into the team. And I think that's kind of one of the traits for this team right now, is how unselfish they are, and you rarely see that on offense.

Right the receivers are the unreceivers in the NFL, because no one's worrying about how many targets they get, how many get yeah, yeah, yeah. Could you think about prison and Butch Johnson, Is that what you are you saying? Michael Irvin is a prim do now? I think I was referring more closely to Terrell Owens and Dez Bryant because of their persona, they would they would provoke the question, oh, are you happy? Did you get enough touches? You know? Did you get enough targets? And and and and and

port Terrell Owens. It was like I could answer those questions for him, you know, the Tony Dungee. It wasn't a verse. I don't know what it was one of the uh uh phone providers. I could put the helmet on like Dungee did. The kid was on a date in the car and he was telling him what to say to the date. Right. I could have answered his questions for him. Just listen to me right, and he would he would. He would try to take on a group of twenty people and you can't do it. You

can't do it, you know. And and port Dez he was just so nice. I mean, he was nice, but he didn't know how to answer right exactly, a politically correct exactly. That one day when he told Rich Dalrymple, the PR direct or, somebody asked a question. He didn't like it. He was like, Rich, fix this, and it's still a drop. Now it's still a drop. I'm on those same lines with what kind of question did he ask it? I forgot what it was. Somebody was in

the locker room doing something and he didn't like it. No, it was it was someone was live tweeting something in the locker room and oh he saw Dez was at his locker reading this guy Lowe in the locker room and he was basically complaining because the guy was like he was a national guy that was just there. I believe he wasn't one of the beat guys. Okay, was that guy fixed this? But now when you start talking about Zeke, it was all the things that you guys said.

It was maturity and that was Dez. No, I'm talking about Zeke. Yeah, I'm talking about Zeke. Chris. I said that was Dez who said that, not Zeke. Thank you, but that way. Moved on, Chris, we're doing the I'm not gonna mess you up because you're producing. I want you to get on this. Chris, I move along. Chris, please, I'm not the only one they picked out. Okay, but

now it's both of those. Because of the maturity, he has overcome all of that, you know, the Bourbon Street that, yeah, just the rumors, the stuff of the Ohio state that follow them, and just so much massive. He finally put that parade. Yeah, all of that, he finally put he finally put it behind him though, you know, and because you can put that behind you, now he's more comfortable with himself and like you say, lost that weight. He feels so much better to what all excuses are behind me,

and now it can be myself. And let's not forget having the quarterback that's so cut and dry conservative. It's easier to be the opposite of that. You let you let that, you know, tow the line, and then that means I can be more relaxed and be myself while I'm kind of show you what the other things behind him, yards and defenders. He is four fifty two right now after five games I figured out over a seventeen game season, he's on a fifteen hundred yard pace and he's third

right now in the NFL with four fifty two. Only guys ahead of him are Henry and Chubb, but he's got less carries than them, but he's averaging five point three yards a carry, and among nine kickers in the NFC, he's the leading scorer with six touchdowns. And let's look at it like that. If it wasn't you know, we love Tony Polos, of course, and he loves him being there. But if it wasn't for Tony, then those numbers would be even high. And Polard's tenth by the way, so

you had five yards. You add just half of Polo's numbers to Zeke and then that's what you're looking. So those two guys right now, if I do some quick math here, they're like at eight hundred yards three three twenty five and four fifty two, four fifty two, seven seventy seven. Okay, that was pretty divided by five. That's one hundred and fifty five point four per game time seventeen. They're on a pace together to have two thousand, six

hundred and forty two yards this season. So that's why right now the Cowboys are the second ranked rushing offense in the league. I believe it's behind Buffalo or Cleveland, behind Cleveland Cleveland, and the quarterback with the number two tack rating, So what does that add up to? Hell of an offensive line? Right That's what Patty adds up to a hell of an offensive line. I got to

stay a hell of a play call as well. And the quarterback is fourth in touchdown passes and by the way, a lot of the stuff we're talking about, Zeke, you can also apply to Amari Cooper, right, and his interviews that he's doing this year. I mean, he is very insightful. You can see how smart he is in his interviews. There's a comfort level that he has this year that uh, it's it's a change from the past. And maybe it has a lot to do just with the confidence that

this team. They really believe they got something special here. And like you said, you got why a group of wide receivers that are unselfish. No one's complaining that is that is very very that's without Michael Gallant. Yeah, that is very unusual. And then throw two tight ends in there too, and you know, and it's not like Jarwin's going all should the best he can, That's right. I mean,

it's it's an amazing offense. And like I said, we will find out more just how good they are when they go up against the professor that's right, number five defense in the league, that's right. And they held and like I said, they held, They held Brainy to nineteen points and touchdown passes. That was a bad weather game. This is gonna be a good way now. They played him well in the Texas State in at NT Stadium as well. When he came here. That wasn't bad they

could have done. Talk about Brady against New England. Oh yeah yeah. And in fact, we can close with this weather forecast on Sunday in Boston, not Foxborough, but Boston close enough. Sixty six degrees for the high, partly cloudy skies, low fifty two, high sixty six. That's right, that's one

for Boston. Yeah, okay, but just know when they went up there in that rain storm in twenty nineteen, dacked through for more yards than Brady and had more total yards offense than the Patriots did, and they lost thirteen to nine. Nine time Pro Bowler Matthews Slater. That's right. Special teams, all right, We will have our picks to click tomorrow here on another edition of Mix Shots Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.