The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is nick Shot screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys apt now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and Nicky Spagnola and a Happy Saint. Patrick's Day to Most edition of mix Shots inside the SWBC podcast studio at the Star in Frisco. Bill Jones, Everson Walls. We were here last week. Mickey Spagnola was not here last week?
Is anything happy? Mickey wasn't here last week? He wasn't You didn't know. I wasn't remember. He was on a ski slope somewhere. Oh and I was sitting over there, right, yes, right, yeah. When I sat there, I was hoping. I was thinking that the chair would make me like cranky, you know what I mean. But it didn't. I was like the same person all over. It helped you be knowledgeable, No, it did not pass it off to you. You did
not know I was. You don't have to save the show because I was definitely dragging it down with your energy from your chick I was. I was thinking about your guys, your Oh yeah, I didn't call in. I almost I almost called in. Didn't feel the energy where you saying Chris going down to the old bunny Hill. Ye, not the black Diamond, He's going down the bunny hill Bunny Hill A four? Yeah, of course three. Um. Oh, you didn't come in on crutches. So that's a good thing. Goodness,
my achilles passed the test. How many times have you been on the ir man many times you got hurt? Ir Yeah? Like okay, okay, okay, okay, you probably count that probably four times, four times, four times? And how many years? I think the first time it was like but how forty some years ago? Okay? Wow? So in the last like it's like five years, it's been like three times three yeah. Wow, that's a lot. You're starting
to break down. That's why, that's why you can't sign these over thirty year old right, right, careful better be careful with the guaranteed right. I haven't had any guaranteed any well. Uh. And it was a time, by the way, you had a good time. You needed a ding? Yes was your tan? I mean I was covered up? It got colder. Where were you Summit County in Colorado? Okay? Um, I'll tell you one funny story. First day finished, we were at the top going to ski down one more time,
and that was it. Took a break when he got some water warmed up, came out. My skis were missing. WHOA, no skis. They weren't there. Someone took them, lying, bro, no, So it gets funnier. Okay. So I I kinda hung around for a while, right like outside the upper Mountain house, there's like four racks of skis and I knew where I put mine. They weren't there, So I kind of
waited and said, okay, maybe somebody by mistake took them. Right, So I started looking around and I found another pair of skis that were exactly like mine, except the poles were different. They had red handles, and I'm going, Okay, somebody can't be that stupid to take mine and not notice the poles on the handles on my poles are black and his were red. Right, that little distinction is
that's huge? Okay? Okay, So I hung around, hung around, and it was getting ready to close up, and those skis were still there, and I'm going that guy took my skis, But I said, what are the chances that he took my skis and his foot his boot fit in my bike, right, so you have to have another little pits. I was sitting there, yeah, and what are
the chances somebody's gotta side. So I was sitting there and my wife goes, well, see if those fit you, and I go, well, there's no way that's going to happen. So they fit right. So I took a picture of the skis and they told me to go down to Lost and Found. When I get down, so I had to ride the iron gondle down on looking right. Well, so I didn't it sounds like lack of playing to me, Chris. So you know what, there was a sticker on the guys on the guy's skis. It had his name on there, right,
So I took a picture. I go down to the Loss and Found where they told me, and the guy says, yeah, you know what, if we got his name, we can look up his left ticket and track him down and see if he took your skis because I left the other ones up there right, So he was waiting on somebody else and he said, okay, we need to fill out this form. So we started filling out the form and I showed them the name on the skis, and he repeated it and had the guy's address, so it
must have bottom. Right, there's a guy standing next to me and he goes, wait a minute, that's me. Oh, he took my skis. He had him in his car on the rack, and then he realized that the polls were different and he came back to see if something, but see nobody. That's small distinction. That's tough too. You know what are the chances though? The guy was standing right there, Oh he was. He was a little bit taller, not much, so I marched him right to his car
to get my skis. I said, they might send years down, but give me my skis. And you know what. The moral of the story is, skis no the moral. The moral of that story is that the cowboys haven't done squatting free agency. Because we're talking about Mickey's skis the first five minutes. What do you mean, Yeah, I have nothing to talk about, other teams to talk about, not on the verge of signing Dooran's armstrong. You're not excited? The only the only yeah we can talk about? Not
what not signings we had. Let's talk about how about that one? I got a long list. I bet you do well that I'm wanted the top of the list, go right to the top. Yeah, where were you starting? There's so much to do. Gotta start. We gotta start with Come on, we gotta start with Randy. Guys. Come on, let's just start. Yeah, man, let's go. Let's just get it out. I mean, what do you think happened? I mean, what was the what was the I don't deciding factor? Is it that obvious that the man just wants to
go somewhere week and smoke some week? Is it that obvious? Come on, having been in Colorado for a week where it's legal, Well, it's legal. I'm sure you smelled it at the airport as soon as you came in. The dispensaries are about as plentiful as seven eleven. Yeah. Yeah, I've been there. I've been there every corner by the way. No, I don't you know what. I'm not sure he wanted
to be here. I don't know why, and he didn't have the nerve to tell Jerry No wait wait, Okay said again he I don't think he I think his
agent wanted him in Denver. Okay. Schaefer is based in Denver, by the way, But but is that a factor Your agent tells you that, I think Jerry talked him into it, and then at the last minute it was like, Okay, we're gonna come up with some menial excuse for not saying so the agents running everything you're telling me, Randy Gregory well has no say in his own future when
you're talking no, I think he didn't. I think he wanted to go to Denver and he didn't have the nerve to tell Jerry no. So we So you think that after all that we've been through together, you know, bringing him out of you know, really from being out of the league, hanging on to him, having trust in him kind of you know, molding him a little bit, making sure he's okay, give him a chance to to have a new a second career, and then to him feel indignant that the Cowboys didn't trust him and had
that in his contract. Come after what they've been through with him. Yeah, how long was this was this? Well, it's been sick years, right, he was a two twenty fifteen draft choice, right, but he only bet seven seas. Yeah, five five years of but but you know, going through all the ups and downs together, right, Yeah, together. You would think that he would say, you know what, this is my place, this is what I'm going to be. I don't That's why, I mean, we're in harmony. You
do you think it? We're in harmony. I don't understand it. I don't think there's any logic to the entire thing. And and his agent has been around for a long time, So don't tell me he came up with this excuse that, oh, they snuck this clause into the contract. He knows what the Cowboys contracts are. He knows to read the whole thing, right. Don't don't come up the last minute and say, oh, we changed our mind, and and and the other thing
that ties into this. I was reading. See, I was told from here von Miller was going back to Denver. And then when Denver saw that they could afford million dollars, yeah, well it's actually it's actually three years, fifty three million. It's a little under eighteen million a year. It's seventeen and a half over the first four years of the contract, fifty one million guaranteed. But after Denver saw that they couldn't afford that, they said, okay, we're signing Randy Gregory.
And it was cheaper. So yeah, there's no way they tried to sneak something in there. It's there. It's on everybody's contract. Schaefer knows that, and to come up with that was the excuse. I just so the Gregory contract, even though it reads five years seventy million, twenty eight million guaranteed, what is it in reality it is? Is
it two years twenty eight million? It basically so it's five years seventy million, he's guaranteed his guaranteed twenty eight million, right, and so four million base salary for twenty twenty two, fourteen million base salary guaranteed for twenty twenty three, So that's eighteen and ten million dollars signs. Yeah, so it's twenty eight million. So by the third year they can get out of it with a it was a ten
million dollars signing bonus. Yes, and so the way I looked at six million, at six million dollars on their cap, they get out of it in their third year. From a cap of cap standpoint, it's a three year, forty two million dollars deal and they can get out of it in twenty twenty five for four million dollars and ten money. Okay, so yeah, it's twenty eight million guaranteed. So do you think he's think getting up back forget
that note? Do you think that he is that influenced by his agents to where he would like, hey man, forget what these guys did for you. You know, this is the way you need to be in I'm convinced somebody got in his head? Is he that is it that he needs to get in his head? I don't know what kind of can I don't. I don't know. I don't because he seems I mean, I think he's pretty bright, pretty sharp. Uh, and I don't know that he did. You know, he got indignant because he's you know,
and here's the weird thing. If you get suspended, you don't get paid. That's part of the league, and it's part of the league that the team has to write to get pro rated signing bonus back from the games you missed, ghost, ask Lele Collins. That's why Lele Collins fought his six game suspension. It wasn't about well, I got to play, No, I got to get my money, and that's why he was fighting the suspension. So, now what is the nuance between the Lyle Collins versus what
would happen with Gregory because you're talking about suspensions versus fines. Correct, you're talking about your claus in the contrast, it's it's it's but it's a suspension, so they have the right to get money back from that. They've paid and the process would be the same whether you're talking there's no nuance between the two. Well, I don't know that the fine like, if the league finds you, they don't suspend you now for testing positive for a substance, um if
you get fined. I don't know how it league works, but I guess the team, if you're the team, wouldn't try to get money back because you're not missing any right, right, But if you're missing something, they have that right. So I I was I was shocked. And they were two by the way, and and then there was this thing floating around that well the Cowboys screwed up the negotiation because Jerry and Stephen weren't part of it. And you know,
their capologist, Adam was taking care of it. No, they were on the phone with him and had convinced him to sign with the Cowboys, but Denver was already talking to him right That's why I wrote today that you know, the Broncos on their social media tweeted out surprise, and it's like, do you think anything surprises me these days? Absolutely not. Well do you think that they're delayed in working with him as well? Because it seemed like he
was not necessarily priority? We got Gallup done, right, Yeah, Cooper's gone, But he signed the same deal with Denver that he was going to sign with the Cowboys. So minus the clause, yeah right, yeah, I guess, yeah, but it's the same deal. Yeah, well minus the claws. But they said we didn't know that clause was in there. I ain't believing it. So how upset should the Cowboys
be that Randy Gregory's not on the team. I think they probably should be very upset, I think so, especially after all the time effort, and remember what was it two years ago? They advanced him money and extended his contracts so he could pay for his rehab when he wasn't playing. Then when he got suspended that entire season. I mean, they've bent over backwards to keep it, no doubt they've. They've made some concessions, no doubt they have.
So Okay, maybe i'll rephrase it this way. Um, do you two think that he should have been a priority in free agency? Well, he was they were signing before in your opinion, in your opinion, if you were, if you were calling the shot and putting this team together, would he Well, you think they should have paid him more. No,
I'm myself, I'm like, look elsewhere. I'm just looking at the track record over the last seven years, right, and with that kind of money, with that kind of money, and it and it's not the off the field stuff at all, because that's seems to be taken care of. It's I mean, the production has not been there. This past season. Even the production was not there. He didn't stay on the field for seventeen games. He had six sacks. There's plenty of guys out there, and you can find
you can find edge rushers. Go go find some other edge rushers and spend them out there. I mean, that's that's the way I looked at it from the get go. Is okay, he's unless he comes at a at a rate that you're comfortable paying. And I would not have been comfortable paying fourteen million dollars a year because I'm not I haven't had the production. I mean it's sixteen sacks in his career and move on, let's go, let's
let's find somebody else. See And I think when you look at some of the plays that he made and I see the talent is there. Yeah, yeah, you saw some of the amazing plays that went along with an entire group that was making a lot of good plays. So he fit in well with that group. And so yeah, you can bring somebody in another edge rusher. Edge rushers don't have to necessarily be in tune to the defense.
The edge rushers if they were limited in what they have to do their responsibilities, but that's what gives them the ability to kind of be creative physically. They don't have to think too much because they're at they're just playing edge rushers. But yeah, you you know, when you look at it, he did well within the concept of this defense and all those other guys that were making plays, but it wasn't sustained over the course of an entire season.
And I think part of what you would be paying for is the threat, because you know what he's capable of if he ends up producing, and other teams have to account for his presence and and it's not all sacks. It's his ability to put pressure and he had a bunch of pressures. Um led the team in pressures if I'm not mistaken, And and and the fact that he could play the run now if he just stays on side Um. But that's another of those. That's another. But there are a lot of edge rushes right out there.
I mean, no doubt about it. We are in regards to just getting to the quarterback. Yes, we can always find someone. But can we find someone that could do the small things right, you know, the play the run well and be the threat that he that they got a better edge rusher playing linebacker right now, well they do, but then they don't have and so there's other there's
other ways of skinning this gat. Okay, So if if if you can't find edge rushers, you got one at linebacker, play him at edge rusher and and sign your linebacker or three or three. So, I mean, guy, it comes down to what kind of money you're going to stip. Well, and here's here's the other thing. Everybody's saying, well, okay, now they because his average was going to be fourteen million a year, right, But you don't immediately count fourteen
million a year against the salary cap. So what his cap charge was going to be for the first year was six million dollars. So that's all they got to play with, right for this year, it's six million dollars. It's not like, okay, they got fourteen well, let's go spend fourteen million on somebody else. Now it doesn't work there. So the cap that Cooper created for us, that's pretty much used up with a two contracts with Shelton and Gallup.
Uh primarily, although Schultz's contract they'll get a long term deal done with that. He's not going to play under the TA for a ten point nine million dollars. But my point on the edge rusher thing is if I'm behind, if if I'm back there in making decisions, Okay, Randy
Gregory didn't take our offer, he moves on. I mean, I think you've got in your hip pocket that Michael Parson's card and you could always go that way, right, And they don't know apparently him there every downright game, But apparently the draft has there are some good edge rushers in this draft. There are other guys out there or whatever, and there's there's there's guy, and there's a number of ways to. You know, we focus so much on our own players that I lose sight of what
else is around the league. You look around and there are some guys out there that can contribute. Maybe they're not in every down, but a specialty pass rusher. I mean, Houston signed one, and this Oboko, who I think has got a lot of potentially. He was with the Rams the last four years, and Rams are pretty set at in their front seven, and now he gets an opportunity back home in Houston. I would have you know at he probably I don't know what he signed for, but
it was a one year deal. It wasn't for that much money. Bring him in here and you know and um and you know as a third down pass rusher. So you're saying you don't need to give a thirty three year old edge rusher a six year, one hundred and twenty million dollars man. That was crazy thought. And guaranteeing ye years that was impressive. His agent must really be good. I don't know what he saw are it shows you Buffalo had money to spend the cap, I know,
but they're not spending on their quarterback. Right He's still under his first contract, if I'm correct, and tell me who their running back is, tell me who the slot receiver is. Now, let go who's available? Right, Okay, comes back. So when we come back here on mix shots, we move into the wide receiver, realm on this team and other things that are going on that impact this team. Yeah, they'll make some moves eventually in free agency, just not
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five four eight six zero K Postcompany dot Com. All right, we continue with more mix shots. We've a discussed edge rusher. We want to go wide receiver. Now let's go wide. Michael Gallup just spoke to the media, had a conference call eleven thirty so after probably about done if and so that was a nice deal for him. And of course the news of the past week, Amari Cooper is now a Cleveland Brown Cowboys. Exchange sixth round picks and pick up a fifth and now they've got two other
compensatory fifth round picks. So they've got four four fifth round picks in this upcoming draft. And you love that for the draft. Don't start spending them things to move up. Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. So Michael Gallup signs a five year deal fifty seven point five million, could be as
much as sixty two point five. He got a ten million dollars signing bonus, twenty three million guaranteed, and one of the key things in his contract is they've gave him a per game roster bonus, so fifty eight thousand and eight twenty three for each game he plays up to one million a year, so he can add a million a year to that five year deal for five more million. That's his injury been updated. I mean, are they're thinking still like we talked publist first six games.
I don't know if it's six, if it's for All I know is if I know, he's gonna try to get back as soon as he can so he can get that if I count seven months, and that's kind of conservative, right return for an ACL and he had it in the middle of February, that gets me through September. Would you like to hear what Michael Gallup said about it. Yes, his goal is to be ready for the season opener coming off February ACL surgery. He quote, you don't want to miss games, but you can't put a timetable on it.
But that's obviously the goal. You want to play as soon as possible, but you've got to make sure you're right before you go out there. And seven and seven and then that's the latest. And even if he's what he just said, even if returns in seven months, I mean, you got to keep rehabbing, right, and by time you get in, you're gonna miss the off season. Not to mention those routes a little different against air, right the real person? Yes, So so now week seven, Week seven,
you think start him on pup. Well, the good thing is the season starts later again, right middle of September instead of the first to September I think, am I right? It's been like that. It starts the week after Labor Day? Right, Well last year was it? I mean it was September ninth, because they started on a Thursday, September twelve eight last
year or two September five or so. But anyway, if you go through the whole month of September that you're not ready, you're going to miss two or three games for sure, right, And now you're in October, do they put him on pop if he's not ready to go? And if you if you start on pup. You miss six games, you still got eleven regular season games to play the whole college season, right here you go. So so that lets you know what they think about the
Marty Cooper sending them to Cleveland. That was ugly. That was ugly. That's not the place I want to end up if I'm leaving the Cowboys, you know, leading the team all the time I was here. That's a tough one. So yeah, if you're a Marii Cooper, okay, and you so his salary that twenty million, that's that's his base space. Yeah, twenty million base And so he's still on his existing contract and he got that guarantee coming up fifth day
of the four days away. Okay, you would rather be a free agent right then go to Cleveland on the existing contract or not? Well, I mean what's the market out there? They got rid of Landry for him, Yeah, yeah, I could see that, and they need him, so there's no pressure for you too. And they're not getting to Shaun Watson by the way. That yeah, it was decided this morning. So the only way they can change your mind, they're gonna have it. They sound like they're gonna have
an adult at quarterback. Now ye all, Yeah, that was what I think it was more reported it yesterday that it was an anonymous inside the Browns organism. They need to find an adult to play quarterback. Yeah, so the only way they can, I'm thinking it's gonna be Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah, that is what's going to be. The Only way they can convince him to redo the contract would be to give him signing bone. Give me money up front, right, and I don't have to work eighteen weeks for twenty
million dollars. I'll take half of it today and then I'll restructure my contract for you. But that leads to me, after what we just talked about, Michael Gallup maybe not ready for start of the season. The Cowboys just created another hole that they got to fill. That's what I'm saying. Now, he's a number one receiver. I don't care numbers, right, I don't care. He had seventy eight catches and Ceedee Lamb had eighty eight or whatever it was, uh or
he had sixty eight. Whatever is sixty eight and seventy eight. Yeah, you still need who now if it's Ceedee Lamb and what for the season? Exactly tell me that what do you, what do you what are you willing to pay for a veteran wide receiver right now? Depends how old? Like Julio Jones. Okay, let's throw his name out. No, let's not. He's thirty three, let's not. Yeah, but he's well and he's got hamstring issues the last two and we talked
about him during the season. Remember we saw him on TV and it was like, where did Julio Jones go? He didn't look like the same guy. Injuries take its toe, man, right, I mean, they really do. And it's it's shown up the last two years. You can just look at his his playing time rise to you. And Tennessee went through a lot of trouble to get him. They gave up a second and four and the coach never liked him. They never got if it's a veteran guy, then it would have to be a one year prove it deal.
To me, Now, Jarvis Landry's out there right, how much does he want? To say? Everybody? But the question is how much do they want to make? And if it's April and you're still sitting out there and everybody's reporting the offseason practice, you might take a little less. You're sitting there going, huh, I don't have a job and
I better get going. And Landry was a good receiver until this whole Baker Mayfield things started coming up to shoulder injury that really affected both of their production, right, and it all fell back on Landry And from then on they're pressing. A Beckham's still there at that time, and they're pressing trying to make things happen, and Landry's
place suffered because he missed a lot of passes. And when that light has shined on you and you're the number one guy and you don't come through, it gets brighter and brighter. And that's what happened with Landry. His career was decent, his career was more than decent, but this past year did not hold up to the standards that he's used to putting out. So, having said that, do you think Cede Lamb is a number one receiver? I do? I think one receiver. I do think he
can handle that. We can put him in different places, we can put him in the backfield. At the same time, having somebody like Michael Gallop out there, not first seven games obviously, but when he's on having having him out there trying to do things. Here's what we did last year, and Michael loving about for a good point. We had a lot of good players, but they're not the great players. They're not the two, they're not the guys that we
need to come through. And as we went down the stretch and the line started, you know, having problems, and we started having problems passing the ball, that that's who needed to step up for us. The superstars, the Cede Lambs, the Coopers. Okay, they did not to step up for us. And if they did step up, we didn't have enough time to give them the ball. And that really affected everything with the Cowboys. So to me, what, like Michael Luvian said, you gotta go to your stars no matter what.
You can't go to Cedric Wilson right now. You see what happened with that. This is crucial. We can't call Cedric Wilson's play, We can't call his number. This is the time. This is why we pay Cedee Lamb, This is why we give them all the hype. This is why we pay Cooper, this is what we were brought him back for. Gallup. We need you guys to come through for us right now. We didn't allow them to do that. We didn't call their number when there was time. So you've only got one number to call. Now you
got one, well maybe tell maybe two with shows depending. Well, yeah, but I think Shultz. I think Schultz ended up with the production he had because of the double teams to cover the Cowboys wide receivers. And it's like, okay, well let's go. But what they did. They came up and jam them. That's what they did. They squatted on every route, so that off the middle of wide open, I mean tight ends up. Made the living off of that forever. That's how That's how I learned Nova checks Nate. And
how do you get rid of that? You run the football, And how do you run the football that'll get us to our next sub ship the offensive line? Right, that's right. So now they've got a hole there and okay, so what's the status on this Lyle Collins trade? Well, you can trade him, but it's thirteen million dollars in dead money, either a million and a half all this year or part this year in part next year if you make them.
But if you trade them, designate him June one, right, if you release him, you so what do you okay, So, but you don't get that money until June one on his base salary, which could can sign a draft class. Half of it gets guaranteed here in by the twentieth Okay, oh okay, so I got my little March twentieth here.
What happens? So what do you need? Okay? My question for you is, if you've made the decision that you're moving on from Collins, what do you need to get in return in a trade to How high a draft pick do you need in order for you to take that rather than the benefit that you can have by designating him a post un first cut. I need more than the fifth. But who's going to give you that? Knowing that you're probably gonna cut them? Right? Well, I mean that you can say the same thing about Cooper,
who was going to give you a fifth? And that's what they got, right, which made me laugh yesterday. Uh Washington, and I finally got the type commanders. Yeah, but my mistake I type commodorees, which I think is a better name. Man have got all the just so bland, Yeah, the commodorees man that that bakes them a spot man anyway to it. So evidently evidently they should have. But anyway, uh, they were, they were too late. Yeah. I think so
they've they've that's a great idea. So anyway they were, they were debating what to do with matt Ionidas is not how I say, that's good, Yeah, you got it. And uh evidently they said they weren't gonna trade them, right, and then they are they weren't going to cut them, and then they cut him. Yeah. Well it's like, of course they're not gonna say we're letting them go and then try to trade him. Who's gonna trade for him? Right? So the agent, Uh, I think it's Alan Alan Herman.
He accused Washington of lying, and I said, imagine that and agent accusing somebody of lying. So anyway, so back to the offensive line. If I mean, if they're going to make that move, then they think Terrence Steele can step up and be the starting right tackle, right, but you still have an opening at guard because somebody thought Connor Williams was worth seven million dollars a year over two years to fourteen million over two years a year. Yeah,
so now you got a hole there. And I'm sorry, there's not every draft Zack Martin out there that you can qualify using a first round pick on for a guard, such a position sometimes of strength and just brings him down. But you could you could trade down like you did when you got a center Travis Frederick. But he touches
the ball a free play, right, it's a guard. I'm not using a first round pick in a guard unless that guard is your eventual tackle, right, exactly, So I'm draft I'm drafting a tackle to play guard because we're sitting here, you know, Okay, say you cut Leo Collins, right, so oh, Terren Steele can step up and be the starter. Now what happens at the third tackle? Who is it? The fourth round pick from last year out of Marshall? Okay,
hopefully because we're just as name Josh. But we're assuming that Tyrn Smith's just going to go out there and play seventeen games, right, And even when he got back he struggled a little too. It wasn't the same Tyrant Smith. So so you're thinking draft a left tackle can play guard? How about the second round? Can I get one that can play guard? Yeah? Sort of the way they did what flows Al Adams? Remember he was a tackle. He started at guard and then moved outside when they needed
to put him at tackle. They did it with They did it the next year with um Solomon Page did the same thing. Probably he played the guard and then he went out and played tackle. That's what I would do. I'm not drafting a pure guard in the first round anyway. Well, have they developed now, you know, into players that can be multi tasking players? I mean that it's like nowadays you get you've got these hybrid safeties that can play
safety in lineback. I mean, are we getting to the point to where a lineman are getting groomed to where you can play tackle and guard at the same time, because everyone acts like the nuances in the difference of that is so vast that you can't do it, you know. I mean, it'd be tough to be like a safety in the corner. So do we need to move to the other spot they need to feel Since you brought up that, I guess brought up right away, the linebacker
and safety. Yeah. One of the thing though on offensive line? Yes, are you out now? When was Connor McGovern drafted in the in their third round? What year is he now? This is four? This is this four? Gotta look at me? Think it is Okay, so what are you saying. Are you out now on Connor McGovern? Is he not a candidate to be a starting left guard on this team? Well, he got a channel, he got a chance, he didn't playoff. Wasn't about an offensive line coach? Who is he Joe
philbin Joe? Is he still here? Yes? Is he the man? Is he the man? Can he coach? And McGovern was in nineteen so he'll be a free agent after that coming out. Can can he take you know, these young guys? And he did a pretty good job with tern still there. You go from where he was as a rookie to
how he played last year. So when you're talking about the guys with with with this potential McGovern and guys like that, can he take them to the next level as a coach, because I mean you've got of course, you've got talent, but when you have a system here that's based on running the ball, protecting the quarterback, can he bring these guys back to where we need him to be. We don't need superstars necessarily to be good lineman.
We've had average lineman blocking our defensive lineman all over the place last year when we couldn't stop the run. Do we need all pros to make this work on our offensive line? So you're saying you wouldn't have spend three years, forty nine and a half million, and Brandish Schriff who is that Washington offensive guard and went to Jacksonville. Okay, okay, And by the way, by the way, the Commodore is just uh, we're gonna call him the common We're we're
doing them a favorite. The commodorees are they basically have made a trade of guards because Andrew Norwell, who was with Jacksonville is now with the Commodore. And and Farriff went to Jacksonville, right, trade thirty three million in two years, thirty million guaranteed for a guard. And so what was his pedigree? He was a pro bowl you know, I mean he was good. Okay. One thing that doesn't work
on the Commodore's nickname, Carson. Listen to the word Carson Wentz does not look like the quarterback of the Commodore. He's the Commanders, right, Yeah, he's a quite big of the Commanders. No, no, ye, bring half comes back in. Yeah. Bridgewater. Two gloves and the Commodoors. That is a great name. Two gloves and the Commodoors. Yeah, well, Jamis would have been good. Is anybody surprised that Cedric Wilson got what he did from Miami? No, I'm not. I'm not surprised,
and okay, would uh all right? I had someone say, well, the Cowboys should have given him that money, But do you think no, three years, twenty two million, that's a that's to me, that would be a lot for your third receiver. That's what I'm talking about. And he played like a third receiver down the How much are they getting? Okay, they got to bring in a veteran, right, I think so, so how much then are you willing to pay this veteran?
Not that much? So you're looking at any acts five million, and he got guaranteed twelve point seven five so over three years, that's like four million a year. So they didn't really pay that much, but it's still four million a year when you're in the shape you are. I heard somebody start arguing, well, who's gonna throw the football? And it's like, I'm worried about who's gonna catch the football. I'm worried about the three end around passes. Okay, so
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someone who was helping you coach. Yeah, no, I was helping you. This guy. You recognize this guy? Wait? What era is that? You recognize this guy? I do and I can't. Who is he? Freaking Missoo? Dude? This is Missou right? You went to Missou right? Yeah, he went to Missou Ron Fellows, No, Fellows, think quarterback. It's not Phil Bradley. No, it's not Phil. Who's the other one? The other the other one? Yeah, the other one. Actually,
we've moved on from Phil. We've had several. Yes, you have African American quick, he got very politically several African America. I don't recognize that's Brad Brad Smith. It is, thank you. I didn't go to MISSOI when did his face get that thing? Hey? Man? You know he was a skinny guy him. Dude, that's Brad Smith. He was coaching. He was coaching the quarterbacks down there at the at the camp. At the camp we were doing the camp for high school. But what's he doing? Like in I didn't ask him.
I said, man, take this picture so I can send this to you. Brad Smith. No, I did not here. Man. He influenced me a lot just from you know, watching him play and as on as well as he did in his teen years ago. He did a hell of a job. I really was inspired by him. Who's the greatest quarterback in Missouri history? Is it Bradley? No? He knows where I'm going on. We're gonna have to go away. No you're not. Oh it's Jase Daniel. Yeah. I got okay. Yeah.
And by the way, he's coming back for his fourteenth year in the NFL and he's played five games five five games, ten five five games. He's a Chargers recently. This little hadn't be a coach, man. I remember. Remember it reminds me. We did a when the old Cowboys channel. We did a high school football game South Lake Carol played Denton Ryan, Yes, and playoff game, playoff game at Texas Stadium, and Mickey Chase Daniel had committed to Missouri,
so Mickey had to go check he bout. So he goes down on the field because he just wanted to see how tall this guy was, because he wasn't sure he was tall enough to be able to play. And my conclusion was, I'm a little worried about a short Well, he kind of didn't. He wanted to see if he's taller than Mickey did really at Missouri and play well, put him back on the mat. The's no doubt. As a matter of fact, he did h a charity golf tournament and it was for his charity and the University
of Missouri. And I hosted the awards ceremony. So he was, are you still taller than him? And I said, I told the story. I did tell thee's got he's looking big. Story made people laugh. And he's standing next to me, got on his tipping Yes was much taller. Yes, he's a little a little rounder than you. But mentioning Phil Bradley. So I was back in Columbia covering Missouri football. It was nineteen seventy seven and Pete Woods was the starting quarterback and in the season open he got hurt and
they went to a freshman called Phil Bradley. Became the first black starting quarterback at the University of Missouri nineteen seven. Yeah, played for the Seattle Mariners too, and he became a better baseball player. Yeah he did. That was that's a good story, Yeah, Phil bad it was good. As a matter of fact, he came here, he left Seattle and
went to was it Boston? He was leading the league and hitting and and and Phil didn't like doing interviews, right, and uh, I showed up in the dugout and he saw me and we started talking and he goes, yeah, for you, I'll do an interview. Everybody's looking like Phil Bradley's talking to you. Yeah, it's like, yeah, we go way back. He wound up with Baltimore, Baltimore, I said, Boston. Yeah, and that was that was big time for me because I had that was seventy seven. I was playing with Doug.
Doug was going for the Heisman's right, and so then here comes Phil, you know, he comes in and it just really starts bawling, and it just really made you take a look at him, you know, and just look at what he was going through, because Doug was going through a lot of stuff at that time, being the first time, and Phil did too. Yes, and yes, that's that's what we know at Grambling. We knew that without any reports coming out. We knew that he was going
through a lot of stuff because here was Doug. They you going through all of these things and jump off all these hurdles, and so we knew a bill and he was taking heat and it's like, hey, the kids, a freshman, he's right out of high school and he's starting now. Then he turned everybody's heads in the next three years. He was awfully linebacker. Who where Michael? Where Michael Parson? That's the way? Where do you want? The
people are just shouting Bobby Wagner at you right now? Well, how much does Bobby Wagner want to play for a lot of money? He does at the he kind of at the end of He's in his thirties too, right, right, Yes, I mean you know, the Cowboys could have had Bobby Wagner back in yes twenty and twelve draft in the draft. Okay they do, we do we need to review that. Yes,
Cowboys traded up. They traded the fourteenth pick and the forty fifth pick to move up to number six and took Mo Clayborne, and they could have had they could have had Michael I think of Michael Brockers and um, Bobby Wagner. Let me say this, Molay was a heck of a player in college. I don't know what happened. He couldn't stay healthy. It was more than that, but he couldn't stay healthy, and then he lost confidence. But he was I saw him play in person at LSU,
and it's like, I want that guy, bad guy. He was that guy. He was returning kicks. They would start a game, the game I was at, and they would receive and the whole place would stand up in anticipation of the ball going to Morris Claybourne. So, yeah, we just got We just got a buzzer luck on. That was just buzzling. But but but how much does Wagner want? I would like him to be my middle linebacker. Could
he sign a you know, I wonder what they paid. Um, oh, the linebacker they got from Miami for like two years when Bill was here. Um, he was up for the Hall of Fame just recently, Jack Thomas, Zack Thomas. Yeah, they signed him to like a two year day. It wasn't much, I mean at the end of that kind of so, but yeah, that would be fine. But and again I keep here and say, well, you got fourteen million dollars that you didn't give Randy Gregory, you give
it to Bobby Wagner. I'll repeat it. He was only gonna cost six million the first year against the salary cap. So that's what you say, six So can we based on that? Can we still get Bobby Wagner? I don't know what he wants to make And I mean, and what other teams are offering right the other team, because it's not like the Cowboys are the only one that need a line So do we have a report on others that are looking at him? I have not heard that.
I haven't seen that yet. Um so maybe we're in that m Online for sure, I saw a couple of the Ravens reaching out to him wanting him to go there. Uh huh So and then that drives the price up, right because we're in a free market here. Yeah. So, but if you have Bobby Wagner, then that freeze up Michael to do more things. Yeah no, because we're still another you still need another linebacker. I mean, it's it's
it's Micah Parsons right now. And like I said, and who well, I'm just saying a linebacker of that ilk of that ability. Okay, and then you've got I mean yet Jabril Cox who's coming off and injury. Yeah yeah, and he play it wasn't bad. He played five percent of the defensive snaps last year. You're hoping, see, the whole key to this whole thing is gonna be guys like Jabril Cox stepping up and filling these holes. Can
he step up? You mentioned Josh Ball kind of laugh but seriously, they thought he was going to compete for the third tackle. Can Chauncey Gholston step up and be a defensive end they need? Can Semi Fijoko? Is he a player? I don't know, fifth round pick, They didn't use him very much. Can he have now right, they're going to have to some of these guys can make half the jumps that Diggs did from one to two.
The yeah right, you're hoping, right man, because because now Oco DIGGI Zoo has gotta I mean, he's got to be a player that he showed signs, showed signs of it. But they don't have you know, the other who's the other defensive tackle? Gallimore Gallimore? And they need Bohannah to step up to be a player. No, Galimore's here. No, the ones that that signed the one year deals with Brent Urban and Carlos Watkins and so they're free as matters that. I just saw MALIEK. Collins signed up. Yeah,
nice deal. It's Houston, yeah, Houston, right, And he was a guy they didn't want to lose. It was the same thing with Anthony Hitchens. Would he liked to come back? There's another there, that linebacker. He's kind of at the end now. He would be one that would be more in the salary range you're talking about. And I think he still has a home here. Yeah, um, so that would be. I could see that he was in the he was in one of the bunker suites at the
Thanksgiving game. Well like like no, like they had they had the week off, so he decided to come. I thought, you meant when we went to Kansas City. I thought I saw him on the field. No, No, when Kansas Kansas City had that week off, right, and the bye week that week. Okay. So it's funny because if you look down, there's a suite in the end zone where I think a couple of the players had a suite
down there, and he was sitting front row. Watching the game, I was like, Oh, that's very interesting, and I think that's just you know, and I haven't seen his name come up. You know, so what about a one or two year deal? And you know, he was still starting for Kansas City, he was a cap causually all of a sudden, he'll turn thirty in June. They gave him, they gave him that big contract when the Cowboys thought, okay, let him go into free agency. We'll find out what
he's worth in Kansas City pay. What do you think's gonna happen with Leyton Vanderish? I don't know. Are you surprised he hasn't signed with anybody yet, mack am I surprised, Yes, um, somewhat, but not really. And you might be able to get him back on a one year That tells you that he's not getting the offers that because he would be jumping at something right, I would think, so, I think he wants to come back. I don't know, though, what
the price would be and how much they pay. I think that the price is coming down because look, if if you're just a pure middle linebacker, they're not going to pay you as a sixty snap a game starter because you're coming out on right, which gets us to jay Ron Curse. You know, can they resign him? It sounds like he's not getting a lot of action, and it sounds like he's kind of mad about it. He
should be. This guy should have been the Pro Bowl because he played awfully well, yes, he did in his role. Now maybe other teams say, well, we're not playing that type of this kid can but you can find a spot for him. Right, he's a strong safety. Okay, if you want to look at him as just a strong safety, then he's one of the best at strong safeties in the NFL period. And so the Cowboys did resign Hooker, but it was a very cap friendly deal by the
way it was. It was two years, seven million, but he only got one point seven million of assigning bonus and his cap. He's looking at these numbers. He only got up jumped. He's got a one point three million dollars based salaries. It was cap hit the first year two and a half million. So if you get a starting if you get a starting safety for that and you still have Donovan Wilson. But the role Curse played
was part safety but part linebacker. Right difference that's the and Wilson can't do that, and they would like to have him back, but again it comes down to what's somebody else going off and really on, like on Layton and all these lines. The market hasn't been set for those inside linebackers yet and when Wagner is gonna set anna, Yeah, people are waiting to see because there are some linebackers out there, Rashaun Evans from Tennessee, Dante High Towers out there. Um,
somebody just got signed. Miles Jack. Yeah, Miles Jack got two years? Did he get to year sixteen million from Pittsburgh? From Pittsburgh? Yeah? Right, and he was a cap casualty in Jacksonville and so they let him go and then he signed quickly with Yeah, yeah, he had probably you go back to that was the two thousand and sixteen draft and the Cowboys had a decision to make Jalen
Smith or Miles Jack both coming off injuries. You remember, Jason Garrett talked to us right after that draft, and the medicals that they had on Jalen was that they felt like that he the knee injury he had, he'd be able to come back from and have a longer career. Than the Miles Jack knee injury from back then. So the other two linebackers that have signed UM were Jordan Hicks he got two year ten million with Minnesota with Minnesota, and the other one was Orin Berks, who was a
green year signed with San Francisco. These guys two years, five minutes. Jordan Hicks had a nice year with Arizona. Yes, so you're talking some very affordable numbers. Yeah, if that's the one thing inside linebackers typically don't get that much, you know, and Wagner brings you something different, you know, well peg and leadership, leadership and all that stuff which they can use. I mean, that's the other thing they lose.
By the way, I didn't bring it up with Cooper, like is Cede Lamb like the leader of the wide receiver group. I don't know how much he says. I know Michael Gallup didn't say much. How much was Cooper? Oh? I think he commanded some attention in committed respect in his way. Yeah, I think he was a pretty good leader.
And you know, maybe in his third year, CD steps up and you know kind of well, and the other part of that is if Cooper, who is the he wasn't a krusty veteran, but he had been in the league along a lot longer than those other wide receivers. They are all going to because they respect him. He's now now we see what kind of leaders the other guys can be because because the big dogs out of the room. Now, we never got to the kicking situation. Oh yeah, that's right, at least the punter as Johnny
Hecker signed here yet, I don't think so. But I mean, how much does he want compared to what somebody's going to offer. Brian Anger, I'm a miss Anger. I'm gonna miss him, I promise you. That is out. That was out twelfth defensive But they got the deep snapper resigned. That's Jake McQuaid. Just don't know who he's snapping to. Yeah, now that was out twelfth defensive player. Anger. He set us up really well. I feel position. It was pretty darn consistent. He was. He was, And that's a thing
that you know, the kicking situation. If you look back, it had always been very consistent, right, LP Latticer, Dan Bailey, Chris Joke, that stuff for granted, Right, Okay, we as we close it out, who's the who's one guy that you'd like to see the Cowboys sign in the next week before we can vean again, do you have one player that you would like to see them sign. It can be, it can be. It doesn't have to be the the highest dollar figure or I mean, it can
be a kicker, it can or whatever. It could be a putter, he can be Brian Inger, he could be a guard Jon they have to say they have to sign him. Well, the one that they absolutely have to sign just to cover themselves as Dorian's armstrong at defense. And that's close, right, yeah, I think so, Yeah, that's real close. Now. If I got a wish list, I'd love to see Bobby at Wagner. That's my guy. If if they could, if they can afford everybody, see everybody's like, oh,
they gotta get this guy. They gotta get You gotta be able to afford them, and not only afford them for twenty twenty two, but twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, because they've ran out of adding voidable years to Dak Prescott's contract right and Zach right, and next year that contract's going up to double digits into his cap charge is going to be about thirty million dollars. But then the new the new TV contract, and hopefully that absorbed
allows you to absorb some. So yeah, so you've got a plan. It's not just this year, but for this year. Like the Randy Gregory thing, you know, everybody's like, well you could have franchised him, Well, that was going to be nineteen million dollars, and as you saw the way the contract was structured, he was only going to count six this year, nineteen. So those are the things you have to consider when saying I want this, I want that, sort of like raising your children, right, I want this,
I want that, but they don't know how much it costs. Yeah, I want them out of eighteen and then they end up moving back. All right. That does it for this edition of mix Shots. No telling what will happen in five minutes or for sure, So we will see again next Thursday. Thirty gold Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
