Mick Shots: Feeling A Draft?

League Draft twenty twenty two. Everson Walls has all of his draft research taking care of. He's got lots he wants to spew out over the next Last week, I'm just listening today, by the way, the introduction. Let's see, we got it right this week? Right, you said what I said? The music? Yeah, we didn't do yeah, come on, now, we didn't do that last week? You got I felt like I was naked last week. You know, we didn't

get I get the boom. I gotta do my shoot the thing, and you know I didn't get through that. Just go, just go, y'all went last week? That was crazy, all right? And Mickey Spagnola has not one, not two, but three legal pads filled with notes from the last week that you watch the trash over the too. We don't know what trash is over get all that trash, and my three notebooks aren't. Just think that's big green NFL draft scouting notebook. Yeah, but yours is neat. Yeah, well,

thank yous. That's right. That's what you're supposed to be able to read it. Yeah and find it. You know you have the stuff out up over there. Well, I got a lot of stuff just in case I need

to research. You know, when you get a little older, you start forgetting things you're supposed to research before you though, I've done some research as a matter of Look at this page I spent yesterday morning of those cowboys are drafting the ones in pink these are This is a page of the free agent offensive linemen in the league, and I went through to find out how many guys have these, how many games of these guys started? What's available out on the open market? Do you have to

take a guard in the first round? Can't take a guard? That's right, you can't take a guard. So what are the other options out there? If I mean, you can't take any more than one position in the first round unless you're going to trade your whole draft and get up into the first round and you're only going to

take two players in the whole draft. H And so I figure, you know what you need to see what else is available out there, and these guys on this sheet right here will probably well, there are there are several guys on this sheet right here who are veteran free agents who don't have jobs right now, who in twenty twenty two would do a better job playing left guard for you than a guy that even that you draft in the first round perhaps, and especially if they

don't have a job. On May first, that's right after the draft, and everybody's bringing in their guys and they're all excited about him. And if you don't have a job, you're knocking on the door right and saying, okay, I'm available, and the price goes down. And I'm just talking about

for this year. Yeah, the first round, a first round pick, you're drafted him not only for this year, but you're drafted him for the next five years, correct, and then hopefully you're you wanted to sign him to a second contract. That's like a Maria Cooper. Does that sound like a Marie Cooper in what in what way we signed him? He came on. Uh, well they didn't get we didn't get him a one year deal. Yeah, we came we bothered me in for the Hopes who having five years

with him, and then we signed it to another deal. Right. Yeah, but I'm talking about the rookie the second the second contract, which, by the way that you brought that up. Cleveland redid his contract the twenty million in health. Yeah, in production or failure. Uh, they turned his twenty million dollars base salary. They paid him eighteen point eight million in a restructured

bonus and spread that over five years. Okay, paid him a one point uh one two base salary this year and his cap hit his only four point nine million, wow, and they spread it over the eighteen million they gave him at signing bonus, So he gets that already. And uh. And they put two voidable years on the on the back end of the three years that remained on his contract.

And so while the Cowboys paid six million dollars in dead money to get rid of them, they redid his contract over basically three years, and so his cap hit for this year for the Cleveland Browns four points four point eight nine six million dollars. Yeah, so they reduced twenty million to four point eight nine to six. So

the Cowboys could have done that save fifteen millions. They could have if they want to, right, So it was conceivable that for a four point nine million dollars a hit on your salary cap right now, the Cowboys could have redone that deal correct and kept him and kept him. So it was why did they not do it? Was their decision, you know. They can say, well it was cap saving, but what it was was they didn't want to invest more money in him down the road, like

push more money back down the road, you know. And it's the same decision they made with Lele Collins, right, they didn't have to do that. They decided from a cap saving standpoint, they can absorb his dead money and then pay Terrence Steel no more than probably eight hundred and some thousand dollars to start at right tackle. I mean, that was the conscious decision. Now, you got to be right, right, because it's not like you know, you had your hand

twisted to do that. That doesn't make me feel any better that it regl ass to Cooper. I wasn't trying to make that saddens me. That saddens me that that you know, they had a chance to keep him and didn't want to keep him. You know what that means They've got somebody and more several guys that might be available to them in this draft who they feel they'd rather have right now and on into the future. And free agency. You don't think so itself. We've got some

good free agents. I mean you you mentioned the offensive linemen available and free. And see, if I had more time this morning, I would have done wide receivers. Too busy right now. Pretty I just knew he's gonna ask me about wide receivers. I just didn't have time to do it this morning. But there I can do the same process on wide receivers. So there are receivers out there. I wanted to get my money right here. Um, Jarvis Landry was visiting the Saints yesterday. Uh, five time pro bowler.

But again, when you talk about a guy like that, it's like, well, how much how much is gonna cost? Because his base salary in twenty twenty one was twelve point five million, So he ain't he doesn't figure he's coming cheap, right, We're not you know, bottom basement bargain price here um. But again last year, for whatever reason, in Cleveland, he had fifty two catches for five hundred and seventy yards and two touchdowns. So does he have to this is his ninth season. Has he got to

re establish himself as a top wide receiver? And how much are you gonna pay for that? And that's what it comes down to those guys right now, right, how much are you gonna pay? Which is a matter of fact and will be careful how I say this with Deebo Samuel asking for a trade, Well, here's why. I heard people talk about it for ten minutes this morning on the radio, and they didn't get to the reason why.

He's in the last year of his contract at three point nine million, and he just saw these wide receivers get paid thirty million, twenty eight and a half million, right, and he's thinking, Hm, I'm maybe more valuable than they. That reasoning never came up, and though, no, no, it was like, I don't understand what happened. He had such a good relationship there, and it's like, well, here's what happened.

And the last year of his base salary because he's a second round pick, right, so he's only gets four years that last year. There's no more guaranteed money, by the way, So that's what this is all about. Yeah, how could things have gone wrong? He was the guy carrying the boom box on the field that stadium, was the called his own number. He called his own number, and yeah cowboy and if San Francisco watched the game,

he's the reason they beat the Cowboys. Right, So I was just throw that out and and oh but but he liked a tweet of a picture of him in a Cowboys uniform with Ceedee Lamb in the picture. That's that's good. That's that's where where we're living in today, where you you've got you can push your own there. They're very easy. Well, and it's in members of our profession. Do you think he thought of all that by himself

for his age? Oh, there must be something to this because he liked to tweet with him at the Cowboys uniform. He wants to come play for the Cowboys. He also want he also wants to make twenty five million dollars a year. He ain't coming to the Cowboys. And it just shows you how quickly social media can take this thing over right, scrubbed his Instagram account. That's right, as Kyler. As Kyler got his Instagram back, going, yeah, you don't have to be a genius just to make a bunch

of crap up. And by the way, Kyler's about the same boat that the debot is, right right, So um, all right, so what what do you want to get to on your legal pad? Well, um, I'm trying to remember the timing of last week? Did we did? We were on Thursday? That was Thursday, Kelvin Joseph. Was it came out after Thursday or Friday? Yeah, of course it did. So. Yeah, we spent all last Thursday talking about the primary needs. That's right, That's right. We talked about needs. So that

I got the questions. I got the text message from Bill he goes, wow, you might put cornerback on it. Not again. We just did this last year, right, we did? All right? So, I mean he's out here working out. Yeah, so, but you just you don't know. Now they may know, we don't know. You know, it's not like what's going to happen with them. And by the way, the NFL could have a say in it also, So if if there is a possible suspension that we could be dealing

with this season two. So you're talking about your fourth corner who that's who? So what realistic? Okay, let's say wipe the slate clean and you got Anthony Brown? Do you got Treyvon Diggs, you got Jordan Lewis. Who's your top three corners? Okay? Where do you want your second round draft pick cornerback uh to be slotted this year on the depth chart? I want him challenging for one of those other two top three spots. I'm gonna give Treyvon Diggs his spot, right, Anthony Brown's in the last

year of his contract. Jordan Lewis. Okay, they signed him, but he might have two years look it up here off the top of my head. He signed a three year deal. But you would like to challenge him, right, And that's what his job should have been. His eyes should have been squarely on Jordan Lewis in his position. Yeah to me, that's that's that's all you're looking or however it worked out because if if he was good enough to start at left corner, Anthony Brown has played

the slot, he can move inside. If they thought he'd do it better than Jordan Lewis. Okay, you look, that's what they did last year at times? Right, all right, you look at the inventory and the at cornerback and what's left on their contract, and you were right. Jordan Lewis has two years left on his contract. Anthony is going into the second year of his contract. If you look at, okay, who is going to be what cornerbacks

are going this time next year? If they don't do anything with anybody's contract between now and next year at this time, what is your inventory at cornerback and what's left on their deal? Okay, Trayvon Diggs would have we'll be going into his last year. No, he should have four years. He's going into his third. He's going into his third right now, so he'll be going into his fourth year. In the second round draft pick, right, he's going to the last year. This is next year, twenty

twenty three. Okay, Because I think when you're looking at the draft, we get caught up in Okay, what needs they have right now? Right? What about the needs they're going to have a year from now and the year after that and the year after that. And that's why the second round pick on Joseph that's right, and so Diggs a year from now, Diggs will be going into

his last year. Lewis is going into his last year now, Kelvin Joseph would be going would have two years left on his deal, and then to Sean Wright as well, and Anthony Browns and Anthony Brown's a free agent next year. So you've got a need a year from now for a starting cornerback because Anthony Brown's deal is up, He's going into the last year of his deal. And if you just look at this year, he would at least been your at the very least right compete. If he

doesn't win, he's your fourth corner. So if there's one injury, he's on the field right now. After that, all you got is Nishan Right and Kron Brown. If there's no Kelvin Joseph, CG CG C J. Goodwin is a corner but he's a special teams guy, right, That's why he's here. So let's let's say pick the number of games. Let's say Joseph is out for for this, Okay, for a number of games, then I mean you've got a definite

need right now for a cornerback. Yes, yea, And he hopes It's only a suspension, right, so anyway, there's a need there safety. A year from now. Curse has a two year deal, so he'll be he'll have one year left. Hooker has one year left, and Mukuamu would have two years left a year from now, and Wison he's going into his last year. He's a free agent after this year, so I mean, you can make you And by the way, Demante CAZy okay, who have apparently visited the Seahawks this week,

how many snaps did he play? What was his percentage of naps that he played last year. I'm gonna guess. I can look it up, but I'm gonna guess off the top of my head. It was about he played. I was thinking, Neil, I was stay Neil, Yes, Yes, And so we're sitting here and thinking, oh, we got safety taken care of, okay, because they signed Curse, they

signed Hooker, and they got Donovan. Wow. That's another but the way they the way Dan Quinn and Joe Witt employed their secondary guys and the sub packages, they used those safeties a lot last year, and that was another conscious decision to not Now I don't know if they loadballed him on trying to resign him, but they didn't make it a priority to bring them back. Right. Well, when you look at the end of the season, his productivity plays, I guess, went up, but plays made went down, yes,

And that was something that was glaring. Plays played went up, right, yes, plays play when, but plays made went down. And so you know, after the Charges game, you know, man, I was thinking that he was that guy, you know, because he had those kind of instincts, you know, and he showed them early on in the first two to three maybe four games. After that, man, it just seemed like he became tired and a long season, like the grind got to him. And let's face it, Hooker didn't exactly

you know, stand out right. He had a game flashed there, That's what I thought, Bill, he flashed, Well, I really thought that, but it wasn't like a consistent But he hears again as a guy that now has some tread, had lost some tread on the tire, and he's you know, he has had an injury history, and so what if

you lose him. So the point being, when when they approached this draft, you can go across the board with basically every position group and you can make the case that there is a need, which is why I'm big on best player available. Yeah, and you know when Steven Stephen talked about it, But every team in the league is like this. I mean, that's the way the league is. The way the league is designed, where you know you're

you you only have these guys. It's like college. You have to prioritize a group, not just individuals, but the entire group. You have to figure out if you want to prioritize that group of that And when they were trying to pin Stephen down the other day, I guess it was Tuesday, on his radio segment about positions and this, he goes, we want to draft good players, meaning just what Bill said. It's like you're not gonna sit there

and say I gotta have a defensive end. You say that you got to have a defensive end and you end up with Taco Charlton. Right. You can't just go in and say I need this, um we got we we have to we we like you said, we have to have just get me a wide receiver though to have let me go the guy want to quickly correct on the Casey snaps it wasn't ninety four he was seventy nine percent. He had he had over nine hundred snaps on defense, uh last year, and it was so

that's seventy nine percent. Look at it starts. I bet it starts for right at fourteen fifteen starts, fifteen fifteen starts, seventeen games, fifteen starts. Yeah, and we always talked about how you know, in the second day, it doesn't matter who starts, you're gonna get a lot of playing time if you're part of the nickel even don pack, that's right, that's right. And but I mean, so that is a

starting safety who they can think that they're replacing with Hooker. Okay, but but even what using Hooker more and you got Donovan Wilson right now, you brought back jay Ron Curse, but now you're you're thin on the back end, so you're not as flexible to use him as one of those linebackers. Sort of, Yeah, it's Curse gonna um some of the role that Neil had last year. Well, then that to me, that would depend on what Wilson's doing, right, you know, and they need him to step up the

way he was before he got hit. If they if you could do that, then we are looking at some flexibility here, not necessarily at the cornerback position, but certainly within that interior from the slot position on the end. So those first three picks, and and that's why when Stephen answered the question about trading up, he goes, yeah, he goes, but when you trade up, and I'm paraphrasing,

you're giving up a good player. Meaning if I'm going to trade up in the first it's going to be my second or third round pick, and your second and third round pick should be a potential starter for you, right, And and so trading up where they're at, somebody's got a fall, right, it's got to be Dez Bryant quality. And I went back and looked, and in six of the last eight years of the draft, they stayed right

where they were and made the pick. One year they didn't have a first so that's one of the two years they didn't Cooper, and that was for the Amira Cooper trade. And then the other one was basically this last one. They trade it down to get a third round pick and Parsons and ended up with Chauncey Golston. So, but you have to go back to twenty twelve for

the last time. They actually traded up in the first round and it was from fourteen to six to take Morris Claiborne, and they could have gotten Michael Bruckers at fourteen. Brockers was the second round pick they gave up. I believe Brockers nos Ruckers went fourteen fourteen, okay, so and the second round pick they gave up, which was forty five I have overall, they could have taken Bobby Wagner there, right, who went forty So what Steven I will give up?

So so basically give up a good player. So basically to his point, they basically gave up Michael Brockers and Bobby Wagner from O Clayborne in that draft. Right, And that's and how did Brockers do. Brocker's still playing. He's still playing great. He's really good. Yeah. I mean he's not the type player that is going to get a lot of sacks, but as a defensive tackle, run defender and just a brock solid guy. I mean he was with Cole yeah, big yeah, I mean he's something like that.

And he and he'll wind up playing about as long as Larry Cold. It was about fifteen years in the late and if and if Randy to that point, Randy White, I was doing some shows with Randy White, you know, several years ago, and he did some work with Michael Brockers, I think through his agent. I don't know if cast Lion represents him or whatever, but Brocker's agent got Randy to work with them, and Randy would just rave about Brockers. Yeah.

But and MO, I mean, if you get a sixth round pick, sixth pick in the draft, I mean you want a second and third contract on that guy. Right, And Claybourne, I think his second was a one year deal because he was coming back from injury and then that was it. It didn't matter because he played, he didn't play well. He couldn't stay healthy. He didn't play well, he just couldn't stay healthy. So yeah, so this moving up moving down stuff, Their nature lately has been to

stay put. And did you like the move down in twenty thirteen, Yes, which they moved down and they took Travis Frederick at thirty one, and then Terrence Williams was the guy that they took from with their third round pick, right, that they got by moving down the trade with San Francisco. So if they want a guard at twenty four, they need to move down and get something. All years that you guys are speaking of, how well did the free agency market play. I didn't have time to do the

research of that. I mean, come on, that is I mean that that has everything to do with it, um because sometimes t Y Hilton's out there, sometimes Landry's out there. You know, Cole Beasley's out there. Yeah, bring back cold, damn it, let's do it all right to that point, I want to ask you, do the Cowboys need a in this offense? A slot? I'm not saying Cole Beasley. I'm saying do they need a slot receiver like Cole Beasley? Kind of a chain mover slot receiver to go to

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Have your roof checked by choice, not by chance. Call now two one four two two five four eight six. Oh that's k postcompany dot com. Kevin Shepler on Twitter is asking any calls today? Mickey? Do you want to the phone lines? Absolutely? Okay? What is five five to two nine seven? So, Kevin Shepler, your opportunity is right now to get in here on mix shots all right? Do the Cowboys need a slot receiver or could they use a slot receiver like a Cole Beasley type UM

or in this offense? Would you rather see them use what they I mean they've got can I get in Ceedee Lamb he can play in the slot. You can draft guys that can can get Reversto can play inside outside. I need to play somebody to can play, and preferably somebody to can do maybe all three um and not just so you would pervide somebody in there. Because Cole Is is slotted as a yeah, and he is, even though he doesn't think he is. It's hard to see him on the outside. I mean he'll get lost downfield

for the quarterback. Don't ask any questions, Just don't ask him any And did do is Dalton Schultz kind of fill that role a little bit? Yeah, As far as a chain mover, there isn't no doubt. Right, So of course they had Witten too with Colby's I was reading a bunch of stuff and I found if you wanted a slot guy, one of the guys that came up could be available. I don't know if it's first or second, but the guy from Western Michigan, sky Moore, he's five

nine one milk too short. Yes, first, so that's my question because because that's why they need some big, physical white receivers. That was our problem last year. I fuss about it all the time, getting pressure with the fore man rush. They started sitting down on our routes, sitting down on the short routes. Oh, just coming up and jamming us at the line of Squimmas takes away all all the timing that you're gonna have in this type of office. If you can't hold off a four man rush,

Chris Beam, you couldn't show us Drake London. You couldn't show show Everson, Drake London. If you get a chance, you couldn't. You couldn't get off the line of scrimmage. You need receivers that can fight their way through that jam and still keep the timing with their quart Okay, how about this guy, North Dakota State, Christian Watson. I love him, he loves He is six four and ran a four three six at the combine. Wow, uh any average? Now again it's North Dakota State. Okay, but I know

you you probably are not going to diminish that. No, I'm not with my playing. He had he averaged twenty point four yards per catch. And the last that's our man. That's Christian Watson. Right, there's Watson, you know who. He reminds me of Jordy Nelson. I saw a note on him and it pointed out that Cooper Cup was the last FCS wide receiver taken in the top seventy five of a draft, and this guy might be the next one. We're for those of you not watching, we are watching

Christian Watson right now. Some some footage of him. I love London a little bit more in Christian Watson. Here Watson four three six A one four five ten yards split, which is which is incredible? One third five forty five ten yards spot, just getting thirty stands, thirty eight thirty eight and a half vertical eleven four did you say? Eleven four broad jump? Is cone? Drill? Was sub seven eleven four broad that's right. And he had eighteen bench reps too, so he's a strong guy. Also, so he

is six four two o eight. I went back and looked football player. Yeah, and he's got an explosion. I mean that's what those measurables tell you right there. So how about this one? And I think this was in his career there he had four touchdowns of at least sixty five yards or more. So he was running by people right running by him. After another debot, he could be running through him like debo. Yeah. And so Jordy Nelson six he came out. He was six three two

seventeen at the combine. And so this Christian Watson six four two eight and Nelson ran a four five one. Watson's faster at four three to six. Nelson's ten yards split was one fifty, which is still blazing. It's just the same if you if you think of Jordy Nelson back at Kansas State he beat Texas with in the punt return game. He was a lot of the same

type stuff that Christian and Watson does. Here, what's the kid's name in Pittsburgh, See the one that held the ball too long when they were trying to complete a drive a touchdown. Here, you're talking Steelers, Steelers, Yes, eleven Claypool, Chase Claypool. That's what reminds me. Yeah, Yeah, that's really reminds Yeah, same speed, same size, yep. Yeah, yeah, that's what I see when when I see him. All Right, Drake London, Uh, you're talking about a big guy who

can Here you go, here's here's your Drake London. Right here, there were fifteen for your Southern cow Trojans. Now that the Cowboys will consider themselves very fortunate if Drake London is still there at twenty four. There's a lot of people, including me, who have him right at the top of the wide receiver ranking him and Garrett Wilson, Ohio State. Um, glad you asked. I'm glad you asked. Okay. Now, he did not run a forty okay, And that's the knock

against him is his long speed. And he had a personal pro day just last week and he opted not to do any of those measurables. He didn't mean. He is six four six yeah, six four two nineteen okay is his size. These are the numbers that should impress you. In eight games last year, guess how many catches he had in eight games eight games total, eight games total last year. Guess how many he had a fractured right ankle.

And so that's why he only played few games. Thirty two catches and eight I was gonna say forty if that was right, Okay, go ahead, eighty eight? Oh no, Wow, he had eighty eight catches in eight games, yes, for over a thousand yards. Uh seven touchdowns. The year before six games thirty three catches. In the year before that, thirteen games, nine starts, he had ninety three catches. I mean, this is a highly productive guy. Here, get this about him.

Basketball player too the top. He's Mike Evans. Okay, he's Mike Evans. He played for the sc basketball team after his freshman year playing football. Yeah, okay. He averaged on his high school basketball team. He averaged twenty nine points in twelve rebounds a game for more Park, which is a big school in California, of course. Yeah, yeah, it's

on the way to Thousand Oaks. Yea, all right, next to all state football ambass So he's not gonna be there that you wouldn't think, although there's some who got him mocked, do you know. And here, and here's the bad part for the Cowboys on these wide receivers in the first round. There's too many teams ahead of them that need wide receivers and a lot of these guys are going to be gone. So that's why I was

looking at that Watson guy. And yeah, but I think he'll he may be gone by fifty six, with the Cowboys picking get him around second. Yeah. And so that's why when people say, well, twenty four is too high to draft him, Well, if that if that's the player you want, right and he's not gonna be there at fifty six, then twenty four is not too high to draft him. Well do you remember the grief the Cowboys got when they took Travis Frederick at the end of

the first round. Well, that's taking him. You could have got him in the second or a third and it's like, well, how do you know that? Five Pro Bowls later? Yeah, and still bemoaning the fact that he decided to retire, by the way, which is why we're in the predicament we're in right now. Yeah. So anyway, I still have hope for Tyler Beotish. You got to remember that was his first year to start in the NFL. First year so because he played, he started I think it was

four games as a rookie. It didn't play portally, but they decided to keep continuity after he got hurt and the little Joe Looney in there, and I think that a lot of people are thinking, okay, would be Oddish who was a week link because as they were using in preseason Connor Williams at center, and that was a failed experience. He never couldn't snap the ball. But the reason, but the main reason that they were playing Connor Williams at center in the preseason was in case they had

an injury to Tyler Bodis. They wanted to see where they were could Connor Williams the back They figured out that no, that is not an option for Connor william I bought Beiodis went down for him to slide over him. And if Connor Williams could do that, that would open up the guard spot for Connor McGovern who got the

opportunity and didn't really did not. Now having said that, okay, Mark Stepnowski was not Mark Snipnowski in nineteen eighty nine when they drafted him in the third round, by the way, you know, he didn't get good until about ninety one, and he didn't hardly play in Remember they switched towards the end of the year. Tom Rafferty, they knew he was done, but he started. I met ten eleven games

that year before they put step in. Um So I just think there's something there would would be idish that the center position is not as important as the guard position. And I think you still can get a guard in the second round or in the late in the first you gotta trade. I still say you can get a good, very good wide receiver in free agency, and you can push that wide receiver drafting down the line. You can kick that can down the line if you have the

money to pay for it. Right and after May, we'll know, see, And that's where I right, what they're as will see. That's why why I think the best player available is the route exactly, because I think you can go across the board at every piece you want to eliminate. You want to eliminate a position in the first round, probably not taking a quarterback, right, probably not taking a running back. Tight end, well, the tight end is based on what's

out there, and these guys don't. These prospects although there are. It's a deep tight end right there are. There's not much difference in about the top five or six guys right in my opinion, and they're they're gonna be so you're probably not. They're gonna start going off the board mid to late second. But look on look at defense

and tackle one of those monsters from Georgia's available linebackers. Linebackers, we talk cornerback every right, Yes, yes, got be someone's gotta be there, right, and so as long as you don't reach and jump over what your board is showing, right, and and so in the case of because a lot of people are mocking one of these guards to the Cowboys at twenty four Kenyan Green from Texas A and the Embers and Johnson from Boston College, I think that at the Cowboys, if they're going to take one of

those guards in the first round, then they are projecting that in my opinion, any player that you're taking in the first round in this draft, because I think this is a deep draft where you can get Pro Bowl type player in the first round, you're projecting that that player is going to be a Pro Bowl player and you're going to want to sign him to a second contract. Any better be able to play tackle in mine? Well, yeah,

my book go for that too. But if if am I getting greedy, but if yeah, you are, but you would you would take Zack Martin or Travis Frederick at twenty four. Yeah, but they knew by the way, they knew Zach Martin could play tackle. He played tackle at in order dame right and and and stop me. I think I told this story just recently that in the Senior Bowl that year, he was the only guy that could block Aaron Donald, and Aaron Donald was the only

guy that could get buys Zach Martin. It was a great show in those practices, believe me, and and both of them, and they got close to Donald right. Donald went thirteen. So they sat there at sixteen because they thought they were going to get one of those defensive guys. Donald went thirteen and Ryan Shazier went fifteen. Pittsburgh took him right before him. Otherwise the Cowboys probably were going to take him. That's why this whole debate about Johnny

Manziel was just ridiculous. They weren't gonna take Johnny Manziel, and they said, Okay, we'll just settle. We'll settle for Zach Martin. Well, I'm gonna grasp at straws once again. So did you see any offensive guard that was performing the way Zach Martin performed when he came out? Did you see any guard that's worth draft? Yeah? That draft or this this draft, because you're comparing you know, Zach Martin.

You right, he's first first round, you know, capable. So what about no, No, there's not there's not a home, there's not a Hall of famers out there. And I keep reading about these guys and strength, weaknesses, what they are, and again I just couldn't get over Stephen Jones putting out how hard it is these days to project offensive linemen from coming from college how they're going to play

in the NFL because the college game is so different. Right, they know they're pass blocking right, right, and when they run it's usually run option. They're running from shot blocking maybe yeah, And so it's a different game in the NFL. And he's pointed out it's hard to project the offensive lineman, and he's right, So what about the defensive lineman? They're always looking for rush? So do they have to be you know, more discerning about how they play the run?

And I think that's got to be something when you look at defensive ends, because when we talk defensive ends, it's always well, these are his sacks or these are his prussures. Okay, what happens? That's because that's all he has to do? What if they run at him? Can he set the edge? You know? And that's what I noticed about Dante Fowler by the way he he was playing three four defenses, and he doesn't look to me to be a three four defensive end. He's a four

three defensive end. He's certainly not a for three four defensive end. He'd be a three four outside linebacker. Yeah, that's what I meant. That's what I meant outside linebacker, right, And you know that would be like saying, Okay, we're gonna move to Marcus Lawrence to linebacker in a three four.

I ain't gonna work well, but you know, you're in nickel seventy percent right time, right, and those three four teams they're they're they're rushing four, you know, and so the is he is he stand up rusher even in their in their nickel. Like for instance, Everson Griffin when he came here, you know, he'd been in at fourty three in Minnesota with a hand on the ground and he could not adapt to uh, standing in rushing the

passer here. Um so um. You know to that point, though, like on Jordan Davis, as far as the defensive lineman who can defend the run, you know, Jordan Davis, he is a monster at doing what he can do, but he's not a He's not a guy that will get to the quarterback a lot, right, But I think as far as Uh as shutting down his area of the field, whether it's the run game or pushing the pocket, you know,

then yeah, it's great. And so it's going to be very interesting to see where he goes because he doesn't have the ability to really to sack the quarterback Devant Wyatt does. But there's some kind of same there's there's some things in his game that that uh, you know where he could slide also, right, and he's not I don't think DeVante Watt, And he's not Gerald McCoy, you know, right, who was a third pick in the draft or Aaron Donald And neither one of those guys are in Doma

Kung Sue. You know it was a second pick in the draft. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And so yeah, we can look at you can you can see on YouTube some great plays and dominating plays, but are they doing it on a consistent basis The big like with Jordan Davis, when you look at Georgia, he was only on the field first and second down. They took him off the field.

In fact, the Georgia front seven guys. They were rotating all those guys in And so Jordan Davis is only playing like twenty snaps a game in college at Georgia. And so do you want to spend a first round draft pick on a guy now at twenty four it's a little bit different. But but will a team at fourteen want to spend a first round they're fourteen pick in the draft on a guy who you have to

take off the field? Well, I don't know. We don't know that that they're gonna have to project that with him because they haven't seen it in college with him that he can play that many snaps at that largest size. But based on his measurables and four seven eight, yeah he can, But how long can he sustain it at that size? You know? So all right, what about the guy from Alabama? But tackle? Um, I mean he's he's he's a guy that a lot of people like. So,

I mean, there's there's a whole bunch of them. I see. Here's here's what happens with that position. Though, when the Cowboys start looking at the value of that position compared to something else, you'll say, okay, defensive tackles second third round. Um, you know, I want somebody it's gonna either. I would imagine they put a priority at defensive end more than they do defense. It's outside in right in the same thing with wide receiver compared to guard. I mean, that's

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find the perfect lens for you. See more, do more? All right, Um, how would you like a Darren Woodson in this draft? Would you like it? Yeah? Would you like Darren Woodson? Especially if you get him in the second round. This guy might be your second round draft pick. The other night, I fell in love with a player from Maryland. He is a safety by the name of Nick Cross. He is we have some video. I don't know that we do have video of him, but he's

from Maryland. He is the youngest player in this draft. He's only twenty years old. He'll turn twenty one on September tenth. And this guy reminds me of Darren Woodson's right. Yeah, he's a smart guy, and that's a big everything. I'm big on makeup. I'm big on a guy, you know, because I don't Half the time, I don't know what I'm looking at when I'm looking at tape, you know,

But I can't. I do know what I'm looking at when I see an interview, or I see what a guy means to his team and what his teammates and coaches say about him, and he aces that test. But check out the numbers here, all right. Here's the other thing, him being twenty years old. Safety he graduated safety strong can be either one, either one graduating, right. Uh, he was at Maryland for three years and I have marked down whether he graduated or not. I don't have it

marked down. But anyway, all right, he is six foot two hundred and twelve pounds. They probably mark against him because he's only six foot tall. Okay, but he didn't look like he's only six foot tall. In the field, ran a four three four with a one four to six split. Love that four three four four three four okay, okay,

four three four at two hundred twelve pounds. He must have bad hands, because somebody would have made up a wide receiver all right, with a one four six split okay, thirty seven vertical and a ten ten broad jump okay, nice a cone drill of six to eighty five, which is phenomenal. Okay, now tell me how he played twenty twenty one un bench reps. Strong, not mad. I love the way he plays football and if you look at him, the way he diagnoses plays. He is a student of

the game. This is what I love the most about him. If if you hear him talk, he talks about I went back. There was a video that was done on him in high school. He didn't start playing football until his freshman year in high school. His dad wouldn't let him play, but he always He dream was growing up was to be a Hall of Fame football player. But well, he puts in the work. Um as high school coach Elijah Brooks, who also became a he was hired at Maryland as an assistant. That's how he gets some of

these players. He calls him maniacal about preparation. Um Mike Locksley, his head coach at Maryland. He has the ability with

his speed and athleticism to really impact the game. Okay, but when The thing that I was most impressed with with him was if you'll he would be playing a high safety and he covers so much ground, whether it's going backwards or forwards, and he Now, there are times where he would misread a play, but I think that can be coached out of a bad age twenty where he would aggressively come up on and then a double move would someone would get by, and so you'll you'll

find criticism for him for that whatever. But there are times where he would be as a high safety and there would be a misdrection backside a flare pass out to a running back and this guy closes so fast and he's really the only line of defense and he would stop him for a no gain or a loss. Well was the guy's name again, Nick Cross is his name, and again he looks like Darren Woodson. He's got numbers like Darren Woodson. And anyway, he is my guy. Um,

so there you going second round third. I'm not sure that. I'm not sure he's gonna be there at fifty six. Really, yeah, so yeah, you have to use one of them fifth round draft choices to move up. Yeah, And it'd be like Sean Lee in twenty ten, where the Cowboys used a later pick and moved up five spots to get the guy that they wanted whatever and so could be

one of them. I have to say this, uh, not once as Bill ever referred to a great cornerback and said, you know it kind of minds you've ever had, Not once as he said, yeah, you know, no, there's only one. You want to go first round with that guy, you know, if you got our sky More guy. Okay, on NFL network, so no one else could look bicky, well can if they're watching NFL networker Now he's gonna being an interview now.

But my point also on Nick Cross is okay, yeah, maybe they don't have as much of a need right now for a safety, although I think we've any year they will. And if he is, if he if if I am right in my more importantly, if Cowboys scouts are right in their assessment of a player and this guy is as good as they think he is, then he's going to get on the field. My question would be, first of all, how his hips? Darren? What's that great hips? What he looks like he can turn and go? He

could play? He did turning to go. I'm saying that cross. Okay, okay, looks like because you're talking about covering the slot with that speed you're talking and with that speed you got hips. I know, guy with that kind of speed, then you're talking about somebody that can actually when when he played the slot, you know he it wasn't a shutdown type of thing, but he could stay in position long enough to where just messed up timing. All right. He is

not Darren Woodson. Okay, he just looks like Darren, but he's not Darren Woodson. He cannot cover Jerry Rice right right. Okay, I'm not shell as Jerry Rice right now. I may not be able to cover Jerry Rice right now. But he could be Brian Dawkins. And if you oh, I'm sorry, and if you yeah, he could be Steve Atwater. Oh even even worse. That's two of them all right then, Thanks a lot, Bill, Thanks a lot, Bill. And Darren Woodson would second those motions. I second them for him,

yes as well, goes guys, thank you? All right? What else is on your legal pad? There? Um? I just run across something. Oh no, you're gonna have to oh, I know. So we talked about all these positions right, they gotta do something kicker. And here's my list of kickers. It's like a half a page and there's there's only three names. Yeah, and those were the those were the free agents. The other half was the rookies yea. And

there was really only three names on it. So they got to come up with something because mine hard to find the freaking kicker man free agent kicker. They're all guys that are retreads Cincinnati. That's what I talked about, that he was a rookie, right, Okay, but was that go? I mean to what you could see him doing? What? He was good enough that he was a fifth round draft pick? Yeah, so they liked that. That's you the first round for kickers. Yeah, that's right. That's cut offline,

right unless you're Janetkowski. Uh and that doesn't happen anymore anyway. Right. So then, so, I mean, but you gotta find some incidents where you've got the kicker that came out and nobody thought he'd be that good and the guy end up being good. What about what about Blake Fuss? Was it Blake the kicker that came from Oklhomia State Fuss? Bailey? Was Bailey that good at Oklahoma State. I think he was good. Well, you knew he would be that good

in in the pro. Hey, we didn't know two weeks before the first game is rookie year that he was gonna make this team. I remember bring out at at NT Stadium and the Cowboys had an open practice that day and uh, and you know at the certain times during the practice, you've got the kickers kicking three or four in a row. And I remember I may have been sitting standing next to you micause that the day he had he had a bad day. This was actually

a day. It was just after his bad day. And he came back, and he came back, and I'm like it was the most important moment of that practice was whether Dan Bailey could get his act back together and be able to nail right three or four kicks in a row. And he did, and he did. Yeah, and and but but as Bill said, I remember, and it would have been I don't know if it was during that season or the next season, talking to Chris Bonial

and it I believe it was. It was either as first or second year as an assistant coach for the Cowboys, and he and Joe Um the special team's coach Camillis. They put their h on the line for Bonial and and I and I remember Bonial telling me he goes. I was more nervous than he was because I put my job on the line because I said that's the guy we should go, because remember they kept bringing in all these veteran guys. They were going through guys and and and Bonial said, no, this is the guy. And

he turned out to be the guy. But he was pretty good at Oklahoma State, but then he seemed to have a letdown. Uh as he came to training camp though. Uh, he was just good until that one day that Bill pointed out we were in San Antonio. Maybe I can't remember who luxonarder san Antonio. I just remember he had a bad day and then they let him kick in the last preseason game and then decided to go with him. Yeah so much. One of these kickers, do you like?

The two that jumped out to me were Kade York and Lsu and Prosper and Prosper and then uh Dicker, the kicker from UT. But you never know when there's a free agent out there that no one knows about, right, college free agent? College free Yeah, like a young guy or maybe I mean that kicked somebody needs to know about him. And yeah, I guarantee you there's some if not multiple people, uh, in that scouting department. Something got somebody. Yeah,

because you can find the renegade kicker easily. Yeah. And when I say renegade someone you know like worst the free agency to where he comes out of nowhere. You know you can have maybe try it out, try it out at Texas Stadium. You never know, ye, that that's your best free agent tryout, right, But did you ever go out there for he now to look at it? No, it was an insult to me as a free agent. Yeah,

it's so funny. Would you have to pay? Like when I made the team, there were so many guys who have been out of the league for like three years that said, oh, if everything can do it, then maybe I can come back. I have so many guys calling me, Hey, can you help me get in the league? No, man, you've been out the league for six years. Man, all right, I don't My wife will tell me. I don't listen very well, and I did not listen very well earlier this show. Apparently we've got a caller on the line.

And even though we're passed that, we're going to take this caller who perseverance? Yes, thanks forces, who do we have? This is Bob from the Nationale. Hello Bob, how are you? Bob? Hey, thanks for taking my call. I know it's the end of the show. And hey, um, I remember a really great cornerback, Everson Wall, So shout out to you, buddy. Hey real quick. I know offensive line is the is a big priority, but I still am a big proponent

of another stud linebacker. I mean, look what the impact Michael Parsons had on our team, and I think another stud linebacker going in the second round could really really shore up our defense. And then, of course, I know we have all these other needs, but those are the two that I really think offensive line and another stud linebacker, and I think that can really help us out. Thanks for let me take the call. Guys, all that's on our list. I've got no problem me neither, even to

a stud linebacker. I mean, we talked about the guy from Georgia, the Kobe Deane, and there was another one, Devin Lloyd from Utah. Is maybe that was him. Yeah, you gotta look at Devin Lloyd. I mean, if and I was big on the Kobe Dean too, and I like both of them, and NA Kobe Dean is more of a guy who can And this is not a

knock on him at all. He's not athletically the same player that Devin Lloyd is, but I mean he can read uh plays and read and react as good as anybody, and he's got all of those um intangibles that you're looking for. But Devin Lloyd is a play maker. And in fourteen games at Utah this year, consensus All American had twenty two tackles for loss at eight sacks, four interceptions to run back for touchdowns. I mean, but you

just look at him. He is athletically he ran a four six twenty five bench reps ten six broad jump and I just have written out next to him. Wow, great players see. And and there's there's an assumption going on at linebacker right now. Right you mentioned h you know KZ, but Kean O'Neill they decided that they weren't going to bring him back and that we'll cover ourselves

with Jabril Cox. Jabral Cox didn't play last year, right, and he's coming off in ACL and you're gonna assume and he was at LSU for one year, if he played at North Dakota State for three years, right, and you're assuming that he's going to step in and take that spot that Neil played, Right, that's a big assumption. So there's an unknown there. Uh. And the Lloyd can do. I mean, you look at him. They rush him off the edge a little bit. I mean, I tell you

got a little a lot of those taxes. If you had two of those guys, two of those guys that you don't know which one's gonna line up, who's lining up where, and and who's in the middle, and who's on the outside, or can one of them go to defensive end or I can line up at defensive end and drop off I would I think if if Devin Lloyd is there at twenty four, I would rush that card and go running up there. I'm looking at videos now, you're watching Devin Lloyd. Yeah, I look at that right now.

This guy's huge too, Huh. He's kind of fenn to be inside. He looks a little lean to be inside. You know. Sometimes young sometimes you want that and a young player, they're all they're not none of them are gonna lose weight, right, You know that's right. Which, by the way, I heard that Connor mcgovernn put on some muscle, some weight, uh in the off season. So we'll see what it's there. Lloyd, Devin Lloyd is listed as six two and three quarters inches tall, so sixty three two

thirty seven. Now, Nakobe Dean is only five eleven two twenty nine. What do we have there on the screen? They it's probably the Utah guy. Yeah, Lloyd, it is Devin Lloyd. Yeah, yeah, number zero, number zero. Yeah, he's zeroed out. That guy. Very articulous bags. I like that very good. And by the way, are both very articulate themselves too, Yeah, which is all part of that makeup. I look for these players. What are you trying to say? I would have I would have drafted Everson Walls. Thank you,

That's what I'm saying. See, that's the first time we need to make a habit of that. That's the only case if someone's ever made about me getting drafted, that's the only case, just based on his interview alone, care about the full eight for us? Come on, all right, I think we're out of time. We're pastime, way pastime pastime here, all right, But we are going to be on next Thursday. Yes, as a pre draft pre that's a definite thing. And Bill will tell you who the

Cowboys are gonna draft. That's right, Thursday, big green notebook by twelve You not just soo they'll draft to the first round, but every other round, every other round? Huh all my trade downs? Every other round? Does that mean the first we're gonna have. We got nine draft picks right now, we're gonna have fourteen by next Thursday. Okay, trades that I'm gonna have, We're gonna trade down and

pick up whatever. Al Right, great time of the year. Yes, got a big green notebook and everyone has just glad it's here. That's all all right, I'll be glad it's over. I'll start getting some sleep, all right. That doesn't for mick shots. We'll talk at you again next Thursday at eleven thirty Draft Day. Oh, forgot to tell you guys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.