Mick Shots: Draft Intensive

Draft on Thursday evening. As we have a little later edition of mix Shots on this Tuesday, because it's a post press conference version of mix Shots says we found out a lot over the course of the last hour or so. I'm Bill Jones with Everson Walls and Mickey spagh and it is a great week because we are two days away from finding out who the next Dallas Cowboys are going to be, and the Cowboys the last twenty four hours are been saying goodbye to one of the best that have put on the Cowboys star in

Sean Lee. So so much to get to over the course of the next hour. Let's start with you, every son. How are you doing as you are primed and ready to go right now. I have on my McCarthy jacket here ready to do some coaching. I have a little reporting to do you know via your instructions, mister Jones. Ready, I'm ready to go with what I believe will be

the next Dallas Cowboy in two days. All right. I can't wait to hear it, because if you recall a week ago, I gave a homework assignment to ever Son about you know, he's got that coaching gear on now because there's gonna be a quarterback the Cowboys are going to take in the first round. Maybe we shall see. Don't think it'll be a tight end. We shall see, Mickey. Inside the SWBC Mortgage studios there at the Star in Frisco, you were on site as Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, Mike McCarthy,

and Shawn Lee address the media. Yeah. I think when it finally concluded, I wrote down one oh six, not a minute in six seconds. It was an hour in six minutes that we were in there. But I thought

it was pretty informative. Now, there was a lot of I don't know that there was any a lot of talk to try to mislead anybody, but I think we got some pretty good insight into what the Cowboys are thinking about, how the preparation has gone, and just what not only everybody thought of Sean Lee, but what Shawn Lee thought of playing for the Dallas Cowboys. And I thought it was so Sean Lee. Uh, he was pretty funny,

you guys. Before the press conference, when I was walking down the hallway where our offices are, he was coming through, uh, and he had had his coat on and uh hair was somewhat combed with loafers and no socks, and uh he was walking through and I said, well, you're ready, You're ready to go sit on the beach, and he goes, Look, you don't realize that before I got here, my hair was down to my shoulders. I could be a beach buff very easily. So, Uh, he was in a pretty

good mood. And he was thanking everybody and only Sean Lee, right because before the press conference start, he went out on the on the field where the guys were working out. And the guys he was thanking were the weight and conditioning coaches, Uh, the the ball boys, Uh, you know, anybody that was out there working with the players, helping them out. He was thanking them for what they did

for him. And I'll also with all the guys in the public relations department that they put up with him and his wise cracks for eleven years and just helping him become Shawn Lee. So yeah, the whole thing has been so Sean Lee, including the letter that he basically had the PR Department post yesterday by thanking everybody and

what it meant to play for the Cowboys. So boy, if you can find another Sean Lee in the draft, a guy of his character and what he's meant to this organization, you would hit a home run at the tenth pick this year, no doubt. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more respected member of not

only the team but the organization than Seawan Lee. And a lot of it has to do with his work ethic that he put in the law before he walked through the doors at Valley Ranch and then at the Star in Frisco, and then he just took it to another level, I think, and it showed in his play. You know, last night I posted I retroitted a video that NFL put out of Seawan Lee on the day he retired. It's a three minute video highlight reel of Seawan Lee plays in his career and especially on those

plays where you can tell he's reading and reacted. He knows that. There were so many times, Mickey, I think especially we talked about it over the course of the last ten years, especially when he played the Eagles and the Giants, and maybe the Washington football team too, but I really noticed it against those two teams, he had plays sniffed out, as basically before the ball was snapped,

he knew what was coming. And I think a lot of it had to do with he was so familiar with those opponents because he played him twice a year and probably studied him a lot in the offseason as well, And it really you know, I went back in my Big Green Notebook from twenty ten where I first discovered Shawn Lee and became a president of the Shawn Lee Fan Club. You know, he actually he actually ran at

his pro day. He ran a four five eight forty, but his ten yards split was one fifty four, which is really getting it, and it shows on the field, But it was in like a one forty eight on the field because of how quickly he was able to diagnose plays. You know, Bill talking about his preparation, and I've got to go back and look what year it was, But it was a game against the Eagles, and it might have been twenty sixteen when he finally played all sixteen games. I don't remember, but it was early in

the season. The Cowboys defense played well against the Eagles, so I need to look the game up. But after the game, the Eagle offensive guys were complaining that the Cowboys were stealing their signals, and my response to it at the time was, no, Sean Lee was studying all night long. He didn't steal anything. He knew exactly what you were going to do before you did it, just by watching your formations and knowing the plays that were getting ready to come. That's how good his preparation was

and why he was so good. Yeah, he had physical skills, but they weren't the greatest physical skills in the world. But his preparation for the game may have been the greatest the Cowboys have had, other than maybe quarterbacks getting ready to play knowing that they got to know everything about the offense. But yeah, his preparation had the Eagles talking themselves, they're stealing our plays. They knew what we were gonna do. No, Shawn Lee studied all night long.

I remember that game. In fact, it was back when Leshaun McCoy was playing for the Eagles, and Leshaun McCoy did nothing in that game because Shawn Lee had every Lashawn McCoy play, whether it was him running the ball out of the backfield or a pass out into the flat, whatever, he had it sniffed out. I remember that specifically. By the way, Jerry, also in the press conference, referenced a video that he and I assumed the Cowboys scouting department

back in twenty ten when Shawn Lee was drafted. He Jerry described it as an ESPN video that included interviews with his family and his brother talking about Sean. I remember that video, and it actually was not an ESPN video. I found it on YouTube and I tweeted it out. Go to CBS eleven Bill Jones and you can watch it. It was a seven and a half minute video that was produced by the Penn State Athletic Department, and it

showed Shawn Lee. It had his teammates at ben State talking about him and what a leader he was, and all these adjectives that they used to describe him. Had his family as well. It's worth watching, and I think it's worth watching out. I sent it along to Scott of Goulnick and so he could pass it on to

Jerry to look at again. I think it is it is something that a scouting department needs to watch again to understand what it is we are looking for in players in this draft, because it just it just flies off the screen at you. This is exactly what you're

looking for. And as Mike McCarthy and others said in the press conference, yeah, you think it during the draft, you think you're getting that player, and not very often does that player turn out to be exactly what you saw on video where where there's a game tape or any interviews and stuff. Well, with Sean Lee, they got that, and then some yeah, absolutely, and uh it was you know, was only Sean Lee to show up like this and uh, you know, to do stay there and handle almost every

question that came his way. And obviously everybody wanted to know if coaching was going to be in his future. And I thought he made a wise decision. In Everson, I want you to talk about when you decided that was it or somebody decided that was it for you, however it went that he wanted to take some time and let it breathe and you know kind of you know, smell the Roses and sit on the beach. Remember he's got a place in Santa Barbara and that's a pretty

sweet spot there in California. And then he said he wouldn't consider and as the Cowboys said, Mike said, Jerry said, you know, there's a spot in this organization for him if he indeed decides that that's what he wants to do. So yeah, I think that. You know, it's a tough decision to make, Everson, but maybe once you make it, you're some relieved if you feel good about yourself and the decision. Yeah, And that's the thing spacts if you feel good about yourself. You know, Sean Lee was blessed

to have the career that he had. But it's not just the career that he had, is that someone took a notice of him early on and realized what he brought to the table. You know, it'd be nice if everybody could, just like you said, make that own decision for yourself. Sean didn't want to make that decision either. His body made that decision for him. That was the

main thing about that. If he could have and I would accept that as well, if he could have played longer, I would I would have liked for him to play longer, of course, minus league the injuries, because you just don't want anyone to have to go through the kind of things that he went through physically. The one thing I liked about Sean Lee, and we've touched on it throughout this program, is his intellect and his desire to be smarter.

You can come in with any type of brain waves you want to come in with, but if you want, if you try to get better with what you have, with what God gave you, and you do the best with that, to me, you can't ask for anything more than that. Does A term that I heard the other day iron sharpness iron and I truly believe that it happened with me when I went to Gramming State University. The players there, the coach Eddie Robinson, challenged me so much. It made me the person who I am today, not

just on but off the field. And that's one thing that I wish more players would have recognized about Sean Lee's preparation, because this is something that we all knew under Tom Landry. We had to study. Okay, it's something I knew. When I went to the Giants, I had to study, of course, being with a Belichick, you had to ud that that shouldn't have been something that was different for anyone. I am disappointed in other linebackers that witnessed what Sean Lee's ability was to try and get better.

I thought that he should have had the entire linebackers staff in there with him as they watched film, because that would have made them as a as a team better. That to me, would have been iron sharpening iron. We did not see that. I didn't think Sean Lee should have been an exception in the Cowboys locker room. I thought he should have been the norm. And it's to

his credit that he was the exception. But to me, uh, I am disappointed in the in the Cowboys a linebacker rank to where you see Sean Lee is anticipating every play. You're witnessing that week after week, pregame and postgame, you see this, and yet you decide for some reason or another not to get in and study with this young man. You know, he was really a tribute to the organization. A lot of people were, but this is his time.

He's a tribute to the organization. And I'm still pretty upset that as our linebacker corps was was really weakening as he was out there getting hurt trying to make all the plays. And from a line packer position, he should have been in that film room with other people and then they could have been talked about the way we're talking about Seawan Lee right now. Hey, how about that Everson quoting scripture? Here are mixed shots, iron sharpens iron.

That's Proverbs twenty seventy seventeen. I didn't work religious so wrong without the player out there, you know, Seanpens another friend ever sin. But you're right, You're exactly right. And in fact, it's funny that you mentioned that. And I'm not gonna mention this former player's name, but he was a linebacker, okay. And I remember this is when this was going back in the well. We would have been probably seven, eight years ago or whatever. Twitter was just

getting started, and I remember this player. It was during the middle of the season and he's tweeting about the video game that he's playing. I mean, it's like a game week and this linebacker is tweeting about the video game that he's playing and saying, oh, I just or whatever or whatever game he was playing whatever, And I was thinking, there is no way in the world that Sean Lee is playing the video games during the season. He's probably not playing video games in the offseason either.

But I was like, what a difference. And really you could see the difference on Sunday where one player doesn't know what just happened and the other player is making the tackle in the back. Thank you Bill, Thank you Bill. And this is this is what I always bring up when I say, back when we with Tom Langer, you had to study. Now, this is a different system. You're talking the flex versus whatever the hell running with the Cowboys right now, and even back then I still can't

recognize it. But the flex defense, you had to have a middle linebacker that was in tuned to everything that was going on. So I know from playing with guys like Bob Ruinett, student of the Game, Eugene Lockhart, and I always bring him up. They talked about the number of tackles that Sean Lee ended up with. I think one year end up with one hundred and seventy five

tackles or whatever. As Fags and I've talked about this, there's one thing to make one hundred seventy stuffing tackles on the defense that's decent but when you're making two hundred plus tackles that Eugene Lockhart did on a team, that is garbage. Okay, And I was on that team, you understand. So when you have to make all of those tackles, that's something that was the norm for the Cowboys. Your linebackers had to be students of the game. I

don't know what Lockharts GPA was in Houston. I do know that when he was with the Cowboys, I give him on the roll because he made over two hundred tackles if I'm not stake of two years while he was here with a defensive line that no one would line up behind. So this is something that fell off in regards to the the dedication that was put towards being a good football player. That's the way it used to be with the Cowboys. Sean Lee, to me, was basically a throwback to what the Cowboys used to be

in regards to preparation for a ballgame. Mean Gene the hitting machine or mean Gene the tackling machine. He did have over two hundred tackles in one season, right, Let's see, the yes was making tackle all right. The home work assignment for Everson was to take a look at these top cornerbacks because I want to get a scouting report on him, and hopefully we'll have a p from Everson as we go along. He had fifty seven picks in

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Dallas Cowboys dot com Slash Draft Pick Challenge. Bill Jones with Everson Walls Mickey Spagnola as a mix Shots continues. We just had the press conference as the announcement of the Sean Lee retirement has become official, as he talked with the media and or the media had an opportunity to talk with Jerry Stephen and Mike McCarthy about the draft, and Mickey was there, and Mickey, one thing that's happening

around the league right now. The deadline isn't until after the draft, but picking up the fifth year option on those first round picks from four years ago, I guess three years ago twenty eighteen draft, which would be the Layton Vanderish draft. That deadline is coming up next week.

You got any more of a feel on what the Cowboys planning to do with Layton's fifth year option, Yeah, it sounds like I thought they would It would be kind of an automatic thing, but it sounded like they were going to be looking at everything, and it almost brought up the idea in my head that maybe what they would rather do, because Stephen has mentioned this twice that they didn't pick up the fifth year option on Morris Claiborne, and then after his fourth season they resigned

him to a one year deal. But that was a little different because he was coming off an injured season, I believe, and no one was really going to give him a big deal in free agency, so they resigned him to a one year deal. But when Stevens talking about it, he said, you know, you got to look at the full body of work. Sure, you take a look at the injuries, but you're also looking at your salary cap, because his fifth year option would be nine point one three million. I believe is what it comes to,

and not this year, but for twenty twenty two. So he said, whether we do it or not doesn't mean that we don't want him back. So there might be a possibility they try to sign him to an extension and give him a little bit of a signing bone US and guarantee him the nine million over maybe two years or so. But I don't know that it's an automatic that they're picking it up at this point just because of a salary cap deal. So we'll see where

that goes. But you know, when you look at the linebacker room, boy, they need him, and they need him healthy, and they need a couple more in the draft. And as I continued to say, I wouldn't mind that tenth pick being a linebacker because that is a very thin position on this team. And so Micah Parsons, Micah Parsons is high on your list for the Cowboys at number ten, he would be He would be the guy I would take if they came to me and said, who do

you want, because that's what I would do. I had a funny discussion last Friday with the guys on the Giants giants dot Com, and we were talking about they were doing a mock draft, and when I got to ten, I had I basically had my choice of the best defensive player. So we went on and on. I even invoked the name of Lawrence Taylor, right, that this Parsons guy could be the next coming of Lawrence Taylor. After all, he's six, he's sixty three and a half two hundred

and forty six pounds and runs a fourth Korean nine. Right, so come on. So anyway, finally John, who's kind of control of things, he goes, Okay, Mickey, we don't want to know who you want. We want to know what the cowboys are going to do. So I gave him out there a little too fast, Pride, you went out there just a little Well you just watched this guy is gonna be awfully good. But anyway, I ended up taking the cornerback, and uh, so be it. Which cornerback

did you take? Mickey? I took, Sir Tan, he took Certan Yeah, which is a perfect segment. Way to our cornerback, Everson Walls, who has who says he has completed his homework assignment from last week to look at these cornerbacks and the two specific ones. Patrick Surtan the Second of Alabama. J C. Horne of South Carolina. So you're ready to give you a report, Everson, I am ready, and I am also going to add a little tidbit to it because you know, the information, the assignment you gave me

just wasn't enough. You know, I'm that guy. I'm the Sean Lee of research, right, so you know I had to do a little bit. I did a little more than you asked me to do. How's about that? How about that? I love it? I love it, love it. No, I already I wanted to start. Look at these two. I'm taking a look at these two. Only two really is who I looked at. You've got a lot of good,

good dbs in the draft. And when you look at these two cornerbacks and Patrick Curtain the second and J. C. Horne, who you know they both have the lineage in the NFL. J C. Horne his father being the Horn, the infamous Horn or famous whatever fan you a if you're a Saints fan. Joe Horn pulls the cell phone out of the I don't know what a hell he hit the cell phone, but the post yeah, that gold post pad.

He makes a cell phone call after he scores a touchdown, which was I don't know if you kind of call it cool. I call it kind of idiotic. But you know, that's just depends on your taste. So when you're talking about these guys, Patrick certain to me seems like the obvious pick. And that's simply because he checks all the boxes. He went to Alabama. You're talking about guys going for national championship every year, so you know he's a winner.

We've already kind of uh dipped into the Alabama pool with Treyvon Diggs from from years a couple of years ago. Last year. We saw how that turned out. We saw the potential that he had as a player, but not much else. I think Patrick Curtain is a little bit more uh well rounded. I think he's a little bit more school. I think that he's a little bit more aggressive mentally in regards to how he approaches the game.

Bill I'm sorry, I'm getting my coaches mixed up. But the coach for Alabama, I'm blinking here, Saban Nick Saban. Nick Saban loves him to death because he realizes that he is professional material. I think he was around five eleven six feet tall. I think that's a generous assessment. He's running the slowest I've seen it runners a four or four or forty from what's been reported. So, like I said, he checks all the boxes. His physicality based

on his size is not bad. I wouldn't. I wouldn't give him a Mark Collins from the New York Giants, who was my collegue, my Super Bowl teammate. But he is one of those guys that you can say he could come in and make plays right away. Comparing him to Jay see Horn now Jac Horne. The difference with him is he opted out right the year before his senior year, and uh, he he played this year. He played. Both of them played this year. I thought he had opted out. Caleb Filey opted out. There you go, Caleb

Farley opted out. But the thing that you see about jac Horn, uh, he has more of a wide receiver look than even his father has. He's big, he's strong. The guy has ability out of this world. As a matter of fact, he's the guy that they put on everyone wins. At South Carolina State, he covered the tight end for Philadelphia. I'm sorry for Florida. He was assigned to play against Pitts uh that entire game and Kyle Pitts will tell you he was the toughest defensive player

that he ever had to go against. That's saying a lot. When you're taught about Kyle Pitts being the stud of the draft, and I saw some of those videos. He made things extremely difficult for Kyle Pitts in that game. Kyle Pitts is no small guy. He is a true tight end with athleticism. And you're looking at jac Horn who was pitting up against him for most of that ball game. Yes, Kyle Pitts caught some passes on him, but I think jac Horn is one of those guys

that can be used all around. You know, you're talking about the linebackers with Core Moore, you're talking about your boy from Pitts State. When you start talking about how they check all boxes as well and how diverse they can be, you can put them at any spot on the field. That's the way Jac Horn is. He's a defensive back that you can play all over the field

against tight ends and wide receivers. So to me, that gives him Kylivin I think a little tick above Patrick Surtan to say, and if I was gonna pick either one of these go right, Okay, here it is. You're gonna make your pick right now, Okay, you're gonna make We gotta have a build up here, man, because because I'm hearing you ever Sin And at first I thought, well, he's going to certain. I mean he's obvious. I mean we're using words like, oh, he's an obvious pick one.

And now I'm hearing all this. I'm hearing all this jac Horne, and I'm sitting there going, you know why, I think he may be going with Jay C. I can't wait to hear who your pick is. All right. So, with the tenth pick of the twenty twenty one National Football League Draft, Everson Walls of the Dallas Cowboys selects drum rolls, Jeremiah Oh, Whoosu Koramoa? Jeremiah Oh, Who's Karamoa? I'm sorry. I love these cornerbacks. We have great we have decent deepensite backs already. But you asked me who

I was gonna pick. Aside from giving me the homework, I did my homework on the defensive backs. Great kids, But if I'm gonna pick for number ten, it's gonna be that brother, that African as Ron as Ron Splazer said, he gonna bring that African soup bone with him when he comes to play. That's the guy that I'm gonna pick from my player. If I'm gonna pick number ten and I'm sorry, guys, then that's it. I'm sorry. Linebacker with the linebacker, We've got to go with the linebacker.

That's my dude. Well, and then, and the thing about that linebacker, he's not a traditional linebacker, Jeremiah, you're catching me here, Bill. That's why, because he is that hybrid to where he could be a strong safety used a lot like Let's remember Darren Woodson came out of Arizona as a line back. You know, you start looking at guys like I mean here. To me, he is Sean Lee without the experience. He is that guy that can shoot the gap. He's that guy that can make a

play without an offensive lineman even touching him. To me, he is that guy. He is Troy Paulomalu. He is that guy if you teach him the right way to play, just hone in on his natural instincts, okay, and make sure that he's able to play ball on the professonal level by being a little bit more poised. That's my way, Everson.

Let me ask you because I agree with you. And here's the interesting thing about that, because here it is, we're leading up to this draft and you got nine thousand mock drafts out there, and it's like in that mock draft community, Ousu Koramoa, well he's projected in every mock draft. All the so called experts say, well, he's a fifteenth best player in the draft or the twentieth best player. And so if the Cowboys where to select Jeremiah Usu Coromoa with the tenth pick in the draft,

you realize how much criticism the Cowboys are gonna get. Oh, how can you take him with the tenth pick in the draft, Because there's this school of thought out there in the mock draft community that, oh, he's not a top ten pick. But I'm telling you, when when I look at him and and and if I hadn't seen any mock drafts or whatever, I would say he's right there in the mix at number ten. I'm with you. I love everything about you. You don't get you don't

get the Dick Buckets Award by being a bump. Okay, you just don't. You just don't get that he's He's acc play of the Year, and you know you're talking about being that with Clemson and those guys. I mean, I'm sorry, this guy also checks all the boxes. And the only reason I didn't pick Posses I think Posses will be gone. I really do, because Cossons, to me, is there more of the the perfect stereotype a linebacker. He is Dick Buckers as a linebacker. But we need

someone that can do more than just play linebacker. We need somebody that can possibly blow up plays in the backfield, which I'm sure Pausles can do as well, but we also need guys that can be back in coverage, making plays in the secondary. He still has a lot of work to do in that regard. He only got one career interception. But when you look at the force fumbles, you look at the fact that he's always around the ball.

He's looking forward to making plays. He's not sitting back waiting to make a play, and that was our problem last year. And that's why I think that he needs to be our guy. And you know what about what

that pick kind of leads into. If we listen closely to what Steven had to say, what Jerry had to say about the draft on how the number ten pick is a sweet spot, and you kind of listen if the phone is ringing, because if they indeed find a deal to drop back a couple picks or two, then one of those two corners is going to be there. One of those two linebackers that Everson just talked about is gonna be there. It's just not enough rooms quarterbacks too, exactly.

And and to pick up something for your trouble. And as I keep saying, if somebody wants that tenth pick for a quarterback, then they're gonna pay the price for a quarterback. They're not just saying, wow, this pick is worth this or this pick's worth that they're giving me. We're switching spots in the first round. They're giving me a second or third this year and next year's first because if you look at what the teams that traded up into the top ten to get a quarterback, they

were giving up first round picks next year two. So to me, that tenth pick is worth a lot. And Stephen talked about how important having picks are and that allow you to move around in the draft. So if if if they feel like you do about the corner the both corners, both linebackers, and let's not forget about the cornerback from um Newsome, the quarner. I was trying to remember where you Greg Newsom from northwest, northwest northwestern. Yeah, he kind of fits into that cornerback if indeed you

do need a cornerback. So they did not shy away from the fact that trading up was probably out of the question, but trading back might be a possibility. Well, and it kind of takes you back two. The Cowboys had two first round draft picks in two thousand and five, took to Marcus Ware and Marcus Spears. How did they get those two draft picks? They traded the year before they had the twenty second pick in the first round.

They traded out Buffalo rated up and gave him a number one pick the following year, and Buffalo took a quarterback Jp Losman that year. It was who they took in two thousand and four. They gave them a second Yeah, exactly, and so and so now now you see how this see that's the thing on these quarterbacks at the top of the draft. I mean, supposedly five quarterbacks are going in the top eight picks or whatever. It might be.

You know, well, all right, we'll see what happens, what San Francisco decides at number three, whether it's Mac Jones or Trey Lance or justin Fields, and then we'll see. But if one of those guys is still available when the Cowboys are on the clock at number ten, the Cowboys are in a great position right there with the way it should play out, you would think so. So Everson, Let's say, if it came down to picking between Sir tan or Horn, who would your pick be? Jc? I'm

with you. I'm with you. It's just when I saw him going against Pitts, that really, uh solidified things for me, because Sir tan Is is a guy, you know, he's like like me, just a cornerback basically, Uh as far as I see him, especially his size, Uh, to me, Jac Horne just he is a he's he's a physical player when you're going up against Pitts. And that's what swung it for me when I saw him going up against Pitts and Pitts a many and he wasn't just trying to be a nice guy or whatever, and you know,

maybe that friendly or whatever of the off the field. No, he talked about jac Horne and as far as being one of the toughest players that he's ever gone against. And that's the defensive back we're talking about. Thought was uncoverable? Happened that at pittsaid or not? If if I read one more thing about this guy, it's like he's gonna be the last tight end, you know, like the last picture show, that's gonna be last tight end ever, you know. Uh,

you know. The way I look at it on Certain and Horne, I really really like Certain, but I love j C. Horne, I mean, and what sold it on me for me because I don't know football like Everson nos football as far as especially playing cornerback, and you know, and all what sold it for me on j. C. Horne is just hearing his interviews and seeing videos of him interacting with his teammates and things like that. He's got a he's got like a Michael Irvin type personality.

That is, it's a contagious personality. Has he hasn't Everson Wall's confidence about him. Uh. And he's outgoing. I can see him and take nothing away from Certain, but he's are more of a quiet guy. And and and again I really like Certain and he's probably he's the more polished player right now. I think you mentioned Everson that Horn looks like a receiver. Well he's got obviously, he's the son of a Pro Bowl receiver and he played receiver. He was later to the party as far as learning

how to play cornerback. So I think he's got some upside there as well. But I can just see he can be a guy who can who can impact the locker room and the culture of the team in a greater way. Uh. Just sick through his personality and he's got a dogged determination about him that I really think. I'll tell you, I'll tell you what bill uh. And that's one thing, you know, as I became a veteran, there were certain things I was asked to do that I had never been called on to do. And one

of them was trying to check some tight ends. And you know, it's a different story when you're trying to cover some tight ends on third down. They got me covering big Big Jackson from Philadelphia, Keith Jackson. Yeah, I had a great game against him, but that was a I had to, you know, adjust my mindset to trying to cover not just a tight end. I mean this is one of the best tight ends in the game

at that time. And so when you're talking about the ability to do something like that, every cornerback can't do that. And when I saw JC doing that, it really brought back some memories as to how important it is for you to be as diverse as you can. I coach some dbs every once in a while as a few camps over the summer, and my number one thing I tell him is, you know, when somebody calls on you to say, hey, I need a safety out here, but you're a cornerback. You don't say, oh, I'm not a safety.

You say I'm a safety, even though you all cornerback. Because the more you can do, the more you can do, not just for yourself before your teammates. And so I when I saw him with Pitts, I thought that you reminded me a lot of what guys like myself had to do and some of the bigger cornerbacks I've always

had to do. We have to compromise for our team, and I think jac Horne is prepared to do that, you know, and I think Mike McCarthy might agree with you, because he had a quote saying finding the guy that go gets the ball is a premium. We want to be more aggressive, play more man than zone. So it I bet it's an interesting discussion upstairs between the two guys.

You probably would be okay with either one of them, but U there will be a segment arguing for certain, and there'll be a segment arguing for j. C. Horne. I bet it's a great discussion. If we could listen in on it, it is, and I would. I would love to hear Mike McCarthy and what he has to say about j. C. Horne considering his relationship with his dad Joe Horn. And for those who aren't familiar, of course, Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator for the New Orleans Saints.

In fact, he got that job. See Joe Horn was a fifth round draft pick at Kansas City and McCarthy was a quarterbacks coach in Kansas City. That was in ninety six, and then Horne went to New Orleans. And Horne didn't play much at Kansas City. He was made

more of a special teams guy. He really got his opportunity in New Orleans and it was in two thousand, two months after J. C. Horne was born, Mike McCarthy became the offensive coordinator of the Saints, and over his five years as a play caller with the Saints, Joe Horn went to the Pro Bowl four times. He had his best five years in the league with Mike McCarthy as his play caller. And so I would think, I think it's very interesting to nowhere to find out where

Mike McCarthy stands on these two quarterbacks. You know, another interesting part of that with Sir Ten, you know, I looked up dan Quinn because you know, Sir Ten, his dad was with the Dolphins, and I was one I couldn't remember member if Curtan was with the Dolphins when Dan Quinn was Nick Saban's defensive line coach with the Dolphins. Well that was in oh five. Well here's what ever

since this is here's what Nick Saban did. He takes over as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins, and on Draft Day in two thousand and five, the best player on his defense was probably Patrick Curtan. He was a three time Pro Bowler, and he traded him away

to the Kansas City Chiefs. What makes that interesting is then you fast forward a dozen years and Patrick Curtan, the second is the top cornerback recruit in the country and Nick Saban's recruiting him and his so Patrick Curtan's son decides to sign with Alabama, and of course, yeah, exactly, and just before you go, before you go on break, just to throw a little breaks and all his dad talk. Just remember some Cowboys head coach fell in love with

the dad of Bobby Carpenter. Okay, that's I'll just stop right there. That's exactly right. Oh and while we're on the subject of dad's another dB that I really love in this draft is Elijah Moulden from Washington and his dad, Alex Moulden, was a first round draft pick in the NFL as well, and he played for the New Orleans Saints in two thousand when Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator. Two so starting to fit in mind, starting to feel old exactly all right? We continue with more mix shots.

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are free. For details, visit Dallas Cowboys dot com Slash Draft Day. All right, that's outdoors at Tostio's Championship plaza starts at six o'clock. Is that what you said, Mickey? I believe I didn't say it, but I believe that's when it does start. I think I saw something out there that the party starts at six o'clock and the draft begins at seven. Probably by seven ten, seven fifteen, we're getting our first hole. You're gonna go win the cornhole contest. Then I'm good at that, dude, I'm very

good at that. Bo I can't you free throws for some reason? But I can do the cornhole thing. Man, I'm pretty good. Oh wow, okay, oh you could be. You couldna. No, ESPN doesn't show highlight the free throws. You know, no one worries about free throws. The only thing I like my dad? Now, what do you mean? Now? Now? All right, we got ten minutes left in the show. We've already established that if if Micah Parsons were off the board, Everson Walls would select Jeremiah Owusu coromoas of

Notre Dame with the Cowboys pick at number ten. Mickey, who do you have as your as your favorite for the Cowboys if they came away? With this player at number ten, who would you be most happy with. Oh, I'm sticking with Parsons, and I think there's a chance Parsons he would be there. And I all I do is go back to what I said last week. This team gave up one hundred and fifty eight point eight yards rushing a game. The cornerback's not gonna help me.

I'm sorry. Now, maybe the scheme will, Maybe the scheme will, maybe the often new defensive coordinator will. But I need somebody that's going to help me stop the run. Okay, Well, let me ask you this then, Mickey. If we're talking about this year's team and we have Jalen Smith and Layton vander Esh as your primary linebackers, where is this linebacker, let's say, Michael Parsons. How is he going to be utilized either three down bases either okay, either Parsons or

USU Coramo or my weak side linebacker. Vander Esh is in the middle. And if I'm playing a strong side linebacker, then Jalen Smith's on the strong side and I got to keep him out of coverage and I can use him maybe move him around as a specialty's pass rusher to get something out of him, but they need more production out that weak sideline. And I know Jalen Smith led the team in tackles, I get it, but they need somebody more versatile over there that can run with

players when he's got to be in coverage. That's why we were talking about Lockhart, right, That sounds the same. Yes, he made a bunch of tackles, but you know, you just needed something more. And that's the same way it is with Jalen. You can talk about all the tackles he made all you want. Where were those tackles made? You know what I mean? Some of it is just a matter of being dogged and determined not to let your mistake, you know, be the end of that place,

or you'll chase a guy down or whatever. But there's a difference between making a play within the five yards of the line of scrimmage and making a play fifteen yards down the field that you should have made five yards, you know, within that five yard box or Heaven to me, Heaven forget if you made it at the I was gonna say it forbid if you make it at the line of scrimmage. And see, that's what we think that Parsons and and uh Jay Okay as they call him.

His friends call him Jay Okay. So that's what I'm thinking about, Okay j j Oka. He would be that guy that can make that play. Now, let's think about this. Also, he can still play pass well. He doesn't get interceptions, but he still plays well in space down the field, and that's something that can make our zone more active.

We just need activity back there in our zone pass And you know the other thing on him, even though I think he played at two twenty, if you look at his body type, once he gets here, if if they want to play him as a true linebacker, he'll play at two thirty very easily with no problem whatsoever. So yeah, so Bill, he's like, he's like Sean Lee. Yes,

he anticipates play, Yes, and he goes through unblocked. Now, if they catch up with him, just like Sean Lee, you got problems as was a big old tackle coming at you. But they are keen enough to read the play and anticipate it and make plays in the bathroom. I think he had like in his career, he had like twenty six or twenty seven plays behind the line of scrimmains. That's what starting just for two years, so no plays for losses. He's good at that, that's what

you need. He had twenty four and a half tackles for loss So, Bill, who do you have at number ten? If you had your druthers, I've got I'm I'm going to jac Horn. I like J. C. Horne, I'd be very happy with. And if not j C. Horne, then Jeremiah Woosu Koramoa is my guy and I would take and I like Everson. I don't care what the mock

drafters say. I would take him at number ten as long as my defensive coordinator, Dan Quinn is committed to having a planning because you have to be more creative in getting him on the field than a traditional linebacker. And I'm confident if they made that pick that would be that Quinn would be sold on him too, obviously, But I want to know, Micky, are you the one that's gonna go tell Jalen that he's not gonna be

on the field as much? You know? I think I could have done it today because I think I passed him in the parking lot. Maybe that's why he didn't smile at me. Maybe he's been listening to mix shows. Yeah, well he's certainly not smiling at you. Now, Yeah, you've got Micky. Do you have a clear eye view on what you want to do? If they're a linebacker is not taken in the first round, maybe in the second or third round. Is there a linebacker that you like. I don't know if there's one I like, but I

there's one I guess I need. Right, they need to address the linebacker position. They need to address the back offensive tackle position. And if you have a guy and either of those on the second day, i'd have my hand up in the air for him. Well, and I was trying to set you up. I was throwing you a softball to talk about your Missouri linebacker Nick Bolton out of Long Star High School in Frisco, who I really like. And he's projected to be a second round guy.

I would not at all be opposed to the Cowboys taking Bolton. Uh, he's more of the traditional linebacker type. Yeah, and he maybe a guy, real guy sneak into the first round. You you don't have you don't have to have a top Knox linebacker to be chosen in the first round. The Colts linebacker see you Daris Linda was he first round VAPI second second rounder. I'm surprised they picked him that high, coming from an HBCU. You know, my love hbc uses is evident, but the NFL doesn't

show him much love. And for them to pick him that high, that's best good stuff. But comes in the second round. A rookie of the year, defensive player of the year, I mean, and is a leader of a very underrated and dangerous Coats team. M so Bill the defensive coordinator Mickey in Indianapolis. Uh yeah, some guy, some guy that was coaching linebackers here I think here, Yeah, former Missouri defensive coordinator by the way, right, okay, okay about that go here. He had a question, Um, I

was gonna what was I gonna? Oh? Um? So they made it. They made it now right. They made it sound like, you know, selecting an offensive lineman was uh gonna be at some point in this draft of priority. Uh. I like the fact that, uh they did point out that if there was a first team second team right right now, that Beotish is working with the first teams. Somebody asked about resigning Joe Looney and they kind of skirted that and talked about Beotish kind of be in

their center if they had to play. But I still have no problem, and I think they need to do it. Third round offensive tackle, somebody that could maybe put potentially compete for the backup swing tackle spot as a rookie. I think they need to go there. You know the other thing that I didn't think of, and I did it off the top of my head, but Mike McCarthy was talking about how you got to replenish your team through the draft, and he said, we lost fifty five

years of experience. And I was trying to add it up. But if you add up Tyrone Crawford, Sean Lee, help Lads or Chris Jones, and I forgot if there was LLA. If we're gonna if we're gonna add if we're gonna add LP to it, let's take LP out of the accust year sixteen years year. I couldn't figure out how how I was gonna get the fifty five years right. No, well, Andy Dalton and Dalton Dalton was my fifth guy. Yeah,

Dalton was the fifth guy. But you he only gave you one year of experience though, I'm sorry, no, but he had He was talking about NFL. I understand that, but he only gave you one year though. I'm sorry, but they don't have that experience. Then back add up the experienced back right now? What about what about all the practice players that we and then cut. Come on, spags, be we got a lot more. That's like, that's like sixty seven years when you add all those guys though,

brow especially if you add Garrett Gilbert into that. Mine, the practice squad guy, he's your backup right now. Well, he's only got three years of NFL experience. Put him in there. Throw him in there. Okay, here's another thing as far as quarterbacks in this draft. I had Babe Laufenberg on my show on CBS eleven on Sunday night, and I tweeted at that interview out you can check it out. But Babe Babe asked him, Okay, give me a quarterback for the Cowboys to draft in the late round,

six or seventh round. And he is big on Shane Boushell of SMU, not so big on Kellen Mond of an M or Sam Ellinger from Texas. He thinks that Shane Bushel of SMU is going to be a backup quarterback in this league for eight to ten years, like Colpe McCoy or Chase Daniel. So our babe. Oh no, no, no, no, nope, not babe. I wasn't here, but I remember, babe, I wasn't here, but I've heard about what babe did. And no, we cannot put babe in it. Sorry, guys. I remember I had to go with moms from an him too.

And we're talking about just being a backup for years, A backup for years? Who you know? Let mean, come on, what's the difference. He's on hold a clipboard. The key to be the key to being a successful backup quarterback is never having to play thank you. I almost finished the sentence for you. That's what That's what babe messed up.

He actually played. That was the problem. That's right, right, And he didn't have Alvin Harper to throw fade to thank He should have, all right, And before we go, I got one quarterback to throw at you as a late round guy. Felipe A. Franks from Arkansas. He started his career at Florida, and dug Us Meyer, the Cowboys quarterbacks coach, was his He recruited him to Florida and was his offensive coordinator at Florida the first two years,

and in fact, Franks started ahead of Kyle Trask. Kyle Trask who as a Heisman finalist this year, he was also in that recruiting class, and nuss Meyer thought more highly of Franks back then that he not only started then, but then when Dan Mullin came in, he also started him over Kyle Trask, who is projected as a third

or fourth round pick. And then on his own, Franks decided to transfer to Arkansas, and he finished up his career at Arkansas six six, two hundred and thirty five pounds, that's prototype size, and he ran a four to five nine. Yeah so, and he's got so he was a highly recruited guy out of high school. He's got a big arm, and he's my guy in the late rounds. The big green notebook keeps on giving. That's exactly right. I got a whole bunch more in there too. I wish we

had more time. We've right out of time, right Well, next Tuesday we'll be back to wrap it all up. There's gonna, you know, Mickey, there's gonna be a whole lot that transpires between now and the time we get back together. For how many. How many draft choices do you think the Cowboys will actually use? Okay, I think

that I'll probably eight, probably eight. I think what they'll do, I think I wouldn't be at all surprised in the second round they pull up DeMarcus Lawrence and take that second round pick, package it with a third, and move up either to the late first or early second to take a guy that they target they wouldn't otherwise make it to forty four, and then they'll figure out a way to get back up into the late third or early fourth, taking one of their extra picks to move

up there to make up the difference there. But and I would be in favor of that. I think you got to target the guys that you want and go get them. And that's up they did with Sean Lee. I mean Shaan Lee. They moved up four or five spots in twenty and ten because they wanted to make sure they got it, because they had them ranked in the top fifteen and on their board. That's right, that's right.

So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw out they're gonna they're gonna have seven draft choices come out of this draft. You got seven. Yeah, okay, all right, And do they trade up or trade down or stay stay where they are? Oh, they're gonna stay where they are or down in the first and then in the in those other rounds, like you just said, they'll use some of that draft capital to move up if they see somebody they absolutely just want to have in like the second, third,

or fourth round to make sure they get them. And that's why they ten guys. You draft ten guys. Ten guys ain't gonna make this team, right, so you might as well use that those picks to move up, move around and get exactly who you want. That same thing they did last year, and they got their starting center this year, Tyler beyond that exactly too. So okay, that does it for Mick, Shots for Everson and Mickey. I'm Bill, and we will see you again next week and have

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