Mick Shots: Draft Day 2022!

others that have already started. I am sure, but we are here to preview tonight's draft and it should be a very interesting day and a very interesting weekend, and I can't wait to see what unfolds. Mickey Spagnola. Yeah, everybody keeps asking me, so you're going to Vegas for the Draft. It's like, no, we don't need to go to Vegas. You got it happens right here at the Star And by the way, even bigger happenings outside with

the draft party going on. I when I came in today, I walked by the plaza and uh, it's getting set up for the party. So the draft party, I think starts at six o'clock something like that. It looks like we've got good weather for it. Yeah, it was supposed to rain this morning, but the rest of the day it's pretty clear, So yeah, it would be a good day. And God built. As I wrote in my mix SHOT's column for last night, thank God this draft is here. It just seems like it's been going on forever, ever

since they lost on what was it, January sixteenth. That's right, we've been talking draft, you know, at night. Started by that way, yep. And for a lot of a lot of people that started before the season because they like to talk draft. I'll see all year long, and I'll plug this right off the top at eleven o'clock on Saturday night on CBS eleven and other affiliates across the

Great Southwest and beyond. The Dallas Cowboys Draft Special will chronicle the lead up to the draft, and in fact, there's some great exclusive behind the scenes footage and of meetings here at the Star, of coaches and scouts talking about players and stuff leading up to it, gone the road with scouts, Senior Bowl, Combine, Pro Days and so forth, and so that will be and of course a recap of the draft as well, but the hour long show, the hour long Draft Special, the annual Cowboys Draft Special,

has some pretty good stuff behind the scenes of just what all goes into this month long process, and of course it's a year long process for all the scouts. Well, they reveal what they were going to do before they did it. Well, we'll have to see, We will have to see. And speaking of undrafted guys, the Draft show, the draft was never important. I hated. He wasn't worried. He wasn't worried about the day of all days. I

decided to those priority free agents. You know, there's going to be a bunch of priority free agents, and we're our priority free agent has just arrived, and they'd probably be more than normal with the amount of people in the draft today. That's right. You know they tried to talk about this as being like a bum draft. Do

you think that? Do you think it's because the focus is on the first round when people are talking about it being above draft, it's because you don't have the quarterbacks up and at the top of it, you know, there's not somebody that you just has not got to have Clowney who you just know is going to have a wonderful. Yeah, so you don't think any clowns are uh T J. Watts out there? I mean or J. J. Watts j J or T J P either way, So there's none of those out there. To what you say,

that guy, well, we don't know that yet. So we didn't know J. J. Watt was J J. Watt until j J. Watt. Yeah, No, I don't. I don't think so. I don't think there's anybody you just got to have. That's why we need to record this and uh and it will be archived and we'll go back five years from now. Oh no, we didn't. There's nobody in this. We'll just go back to seventeen years from now when we had it right. And two, Thibodeau is a Pro Bowl, right,

perennial Pro Bowl or Hall of Famer. But but to him, he already thinks he and you know what, and I'm sure there's some guys that the teams look at right now where I just gotta have that guy, right, We just don't know, you know, because no one talks. And if they're talking, you know, as Jerry said, I don't mind chumming. It's not like it's not like last year's draft when Mickey Spagnola just gotta have that guy. He just had to have that guy, right, And who is

the guy you just had to have a guy? Who was the Lion backers Parsons from from day one of the draft process. Mickey Spagnola says, I gotta have that and it was Michael Parsons. So that makes him like one absolutely, So who is it this year for you? Like, for instance, for the Cowboys? All right, there's there's rumors because one of the ESPN guys headed mock draft that the Cowboys were trading up to thirteen with Houston, and that got it all started. The next starts part came

out that they're going to fourteen the next twelve. So if there is a guy, if there is a guy that you would trade a first and second round draft pick to move up for, who might that guy be? If he has to speculation, if he has to go to the paperwork, then he's got to go low down us. That that's what happens when you're picking twenty fourth. Instead of language, we're looking at here. You don't like anything? Nope, nope, check, nope, check nope. I don't what position? Okay, position it won't

be we know what position. It won't be guard guard, all right, So what position would you trade? Oh, it would have to be a offensive tackle, knowing the needs that this team has right now, an offensive tackle, a defensive end, or a wide receiver. Okay, all right, so I'll throw out what I mean. This is not going to happen because now Charles Cross is talked about as being a top five pick. Yeah, but for some reason, Charles Cross falls to thirteen, and well, the Texans would take.

But if they've already taken their tackle, let's say at three and Charles Cross is there at thirteen, or which one of those wide receivers if they're at thirteen would you be interested in? And which one of the edge rushers if they fell would you be interested in? Well, Tibodaux, Okay, Thibodeaux if he fell, would be one that you would you would trade a first in a second to move up. It might take a first second in a fifth. See that's just too much. That's too much. That's why I

first second in a future. Yeah, next, next, I mean that would be somebody that I think you would definitely take based on talent. Yeah, I say, what about his attitude. What about his well part, I don't know. And then I guess the wide receiver to go off that high would be Drake London. Drake London, Okay, he wouldn't be interested in Jamison Williams because he's coming off at ACL.

So here's the deal on Jamison Williams. He's going to start the season on PUP and I can't give up three draft choices and my first round pick, and he's gonna come here and he's going to rehab all during training camp and probably miss at least he may end up on PUP and missed the first six weeks of the season. All right, let me ask you this, because there'll be another wide receiver. This isn't like the last wide receiver on the Earth. Same thing with the offensive tackles.

It's not the last offensive tackle on the Earth. Well, let's say that Jamison Williams coming off his ACL slides because of his ACL, and he is down there approaching twenty four. Okay, let's pay pick number twenty and all it takes is a fifth to move or what whatever

it might be. Let's say a fifth to move up to get him move up one spot, two spots or or if you made it all the way to you would you take a wide receiver at twenty four who is coming off an ACL and is probably going to miss the first six weeks of the season, So then two of my top three receivers aren't going to play. So that so right, that is I don't know. That's one of those shake your heads as well. I mean, for me, if Jamison Williams was there at twenty four,

I don't care. I'm taking that guy because because it's you can find guys. What would you put you can find guys you can find. I would put him on pup to start the year, and then when he's ready to go, what would you would you like to be slot? Would you like? You can do all three? And that's what I gotta have. This guy. Look at his speed, Look look at the screen. Yeah, okay, this guy, I've seen him run away from right. Yeah, that's it's jaw

dropping the speed that this guy's got. It seems like he toys with him when they that's right, and that's why a talent like that. When I saw, yeah he's toying with him. Yeah, a talent like that or on end a round's goodness, I mean, it's it's like, stop, it was too fast. You know what he reminds me of. He reminds me of Bob Hayes. Oh no, no, man, don't say that. He does the way he runs away from people about Bob. Bob had to work on his receiving and then he became the amazing Hall of Famer

that he turned out to me. Yeah, now this guy's polished. Now. The thing that's interesting about him is that he was fourth on the depth chart at Ohio State, behind Chris Lave and Garrett Wilson and uh Jackson Smith and Jigba who is still at Ohio State and spurred Alabama to be able to play. I just still take offense watching Bob. He's run is a religious experience. Okay, So let's let's just the way, just the way he runs away from people, all right, that's the Wow, what talent that guy is? Well,

it is and you have to judge it. And my understanding is that they did a recheck on him, yea, and all the teams weren't on the virtual recheck, but the Cowboys were. So if you want to add to your speculation, speculation, well you called the ceede lamb draft, didn't you, Well, it was a no brainer pick. Yeah, you always say no brainer. You like them, But who thought? Who thought he was going to fall to seventeen? Right?

I didn't. Didn't they were going to fall, And they didn't either because they were ready to take a defensive end of Chase. Yeah that's right. So um, but again you have to understand he's going to start the season on pop right, I mean because he had his surgery. I mean it's like Michael Gallup. I mean Gallup had his surgery in February and he got hurt in the National Championship game. Right, So he's a month ahead of gall but still the Cincinnati and he said he's a

semi final ahead. He said his rehab is even further ahead of progress. Yeah, but further ahead is fine. But so still, for guys you're anticipating, it would be a surprise if he were ready to start this. They're all to be top. It's nine to twelve months. What's this guy's dimension? What is it? What is his numbers? I mean is tall? Well, I just happened to have a big green NFL draft scouting book here that I was all the details. We've got a lot of lean, diminutive

wide receivers. You know what you're gonna say, he's lean and diminutive. When I tell you six to one and a half one seventy nine, yeah, yeah, I could jack somebody the other. And he doesn't look like other than that he wants he can't get off that jam. Doesggan that he looks smaller, he does. He actually looks smaller. He didn't look sick. He looks bigger than me because he wears the hip pads up higher. His probably the number you have to worry about. His probable h forty

speed is four point three something. Yeah, that's as a defender, that's what you're worrying. That's probable. He couldn't run it, and so it was actually the way that guys were running four threes at this combine his probable as four two something. Yeah, right exactly. He's gonna be fine, so he'll you know, And and my understanding is the surgery was clean, so he there wasn't any complications in there. But again, you know you won't get his best until

twenty twenty. So let me ask you about another one. Okay, I'm Charles Cross isn't gonna fall all right. Trevor Pinning, the offensive tackle from Northern Iowa who is projected to go mid first round. Okay, Caking, definitely, I think definitely. He's got a nasty demeanor and definitely he can play guard his first year. Right, you would be on board with that. I could first, in a second, move up to thirteen or fourteen. Yeah, well you mean first, you

mean another first? No? No, you're yeah switching and just giving up, just like you did with Mo Clayboard. No, you're not gonna move that far for a second. You can go if you look at the value chart. Okay, the highest the Cowboys could go if you look at the value chart is to about fourteen with a first twenty four, fifty six, their second, and a fifth round pick. Yeah, I'm worried about the fifth. I know. That's why I'm not.

That's why I don't even include the fifth. Yeah, you way in your hand this way when you start talking, don't dismiss me like that. I mean, I know, embody, I embody, I'm drafted this But come on, say you say you get Penning right, right, and then when when do you deal with your problem at wide receiver? Now you got eighty eight now you got it. Third, Now you got to take your fourth and third and move up about ten spots as all you can move up with a fourth, Yeah, combine with your third to get

David Bell from Purdue. Okay, here's what I need. So you're what you are you saying that with this wide receiver crew, if we don't draft anyone, how do you feel about? Not very good? Not very good at not at all, not at all, not at all. You don't think they have any capabilities of being competent as they

were last year? I think I think that. And we're talking about just holding on for six for six weeks, right, Yeah, and you got cdee Lamb, James Washington, Noah Brown, SIMI that's not chicken living man, right, No, these guys are pretty that if none of them get hurt, don't get hurt. And assuming that Ceedee Lamb could be my number one guy, yes, of course, which we haven't seen yet, and he's ready for that, I think. So he's ready for that. But

again it's unknown. And but there are veteran wide receivers out there too, and they're still can get us out there market value. So then after today, there's better After today, then we'll know more. We'll know more about Landry. Right, we might bring your boy back. You know, since the vaccine man date is lifted, no mask man date, will we bring him back? The name not to be mentioned, I mean not to be mentioned. Sorry, I was trying to think who you're talking about. Oh yeah, so here,

I'm sorry you did that. Here's my premise. Here's what's got to happen. They've got to have a first round pick that's a walk in starter, right, it seems that that's what you want, and I don't. I don't. You know, Okay, whatever position, because there's needs at about four of them. And then the second pick has got a challenge for a starting job, and the third pick has to get in the rotation at some position. Doesn't have to be a starter, but you've got to be a contributor. They

need those three things. However they work it out, you give up your second chances are the next pick is is he a walk in competitor for a starting spot in the third round? I don't know? Or could he be a top three wide receiver on your team? Is he better than Noah Brown? Let's put it ready for be ready for a slow start, now, to the season. Yes, you're going to hope, hope for improvement by some players. They might be able to step up and do more

than they've ever done before existing players. We don't have to get anybody. Someone's gonna have to say Brown's gonna have to step up, while Brown is gonna have to step up. They've got to be better than what they've shown. And that is a possibility. You know, everyone doesn't have to be believe in the narrative that's written on them.

You know, some guys might actually step out and do better than what we say they are because they are they have been something that have been teetering on, you know, being better, doing better. So if like a guy like Dorin Sarmstrong gets more opportunities, does he get more than five sacks in a season? Yes, And they're kind of banking on that, right. Can Dante Foller returned to what he did three years ago and play in a position he's more comfortable in? Um It happens on every team

year and the safety position. Donovan Wilson, does he stay healthy? Uh? Is Malik Hooker uh further removed from his achilles terror that he plays better because I thought he was just okay, um, and then at linebacker. So you'd like to see him draft a safety at some point maybe, no, no, sooner than the third round. Okay, it's third round, Nick Cross, Yeah, you said that, I got that written on my thing, right, and that would that would be that would be fine.

But that's a position of need, you know, and and you know I mentioned last year Hooker on a one year deal. Well technically it's I got corrected on Twitter. It's a two year deal, but it's only one year of guarantees, so they can get out of it if they don't if he doesn't produce for like eight hundred thousand and dead money, so it's no big deal. But it's really a one year deal. Donovan Wilson's in his

last year, right, then he's a free agent. And even though you sign jay Ron Curse, it's a two year deal Curse. The way they play Curse, it's more it's more of a linebacker and kind of linebacker. Yeah, So when you look at it, you name me a position, I'll give you a reason to draft it. Yeah, your quarterback, you can give a reason. Seventh round, they don't have

one you could give. You could give a reason to draft, but you also look forward to what you have here, those players that you stop in the back to step up. That's all I'm saying. If I'm one of those players, and I'm a friends player this offseason, after what happened last year, somebody's got to be thinking, well, maybe I should play beyond what I'm getting paid, you know, maybe I should play beyond my reputation. Maybe I should work harder. You know, maybe I can I can see well I

can be better. I mean, I know I'm not the only one that thought like that when I played a million guys. I say, there's a log jam of those guys at defensive tackle, right, can and Osa Odiggy Zoa take The next is Tristan Hill? This is it, right, either he's a trade candidate do or get off the pot,

you know, because he's going into his last year. I mean, he's a guy that you move guys if if if you don't, if somebody takes them, yeah, right, I mean if you can get something for I'm not saying in his case, but that typically is the time that you would move a guy. If you've drafted a younger guy, that it's going to create a log jam there right, and and so and so, you know, cornerback, they don't know.

We don't know what's going on with Kelvin Joseph Right, you know, can you count on it because again, you know, Anthony Brown in his last year um so um, I don't know that mattered for that matter, digs as two years left. I mean, he's going to be a right humongous contract here very soon. So can na Sean Wright step up and say, oh, okay, I can be I'm talking about Those are the guys that I'm talking about. And that's one of the tackle Josh Ball fourth round

draft pick last year. Right that when when we on the outside are making these declarations that they need a tackle, they need this, they need that. We don't know what the coaches, how the coaches feel about the progress of the guys that they drafted last year, because we haven't had an opportunity one has to progress. Yeah, right, so right there we remain staged. Okay, I'm only and there's another guy that that's down to his last shot too,

Connor McGovern. And you know I was told he put on fifteen twenty pounds and it was more strength, yeah than just eating, right, I hope though, so, but it's his last year. I mean, you're a third round pick, you either do it or We've seen got stop up on many teams, right, especially on the offensive line. You can see offensive lineman who third or fourth year in Josh Ball. Can Josh Ball be my swing tackle? Right? You know they were high on him when they got

him in the shelves. Is not really that good of a tight end two years ago, and he'd improved And now look at them, right, you see. So you've got players who've got pride and they understand what the value is even though we don't see it. See, And that's what I pointed out Friday, And Mike Wilson was one

of those. Yeah, they're entering this unknown territory because what we talked about you would like, but you don't know sure, right And and even you know at linebacker, the assumption as well, Jabril Cox, well, Jabill Cox is probably not going to be in the beginning of training gam you know, if you can get them for the start of the preseason maybe, but he's going to be rehabbing with Michael Gallop and when they go out here, when they start on field work, those two guys will be probably the

only two guys because of injury not taking part. We don't know. Jabril Cox had nine defensive snaps last year, right, and he played one year at LSU, and he played three or four years in order to go to Stay before that, Right, So can you count on it? We don't know. They don't know. They can project and say, well, yeah, well he looked like he could do this, this and this, but okay, now let's see it, and he's gonna get a late start, so you want that's not Devin Lloyd

or Nakobe Dean. Uh, probably more Lloyd than Dean. Okay, I looked at his his history. Uh, Dean, he's had a lot of little injuries in phil He'll slide to the second round maybe, But then if you're giving up your second to go get Petty, ain't gonna be We're saying we don't want to do that. And as I look at it, I mean, let's look at the division we're in. Hopefully we can afford a slow start, you know, because it's a long season. Yeah, yeah, hopefully we can

afford the slow start just because of the division. Maybe they'll just turn into a running team. That would be nice, right, that would be great. It's healthy. I remember DeMarco Murray how many times even him that year? Well, three hundred plus times to gain eighteen hundred years twenty fourteen. Yeah, all right, we almost filled a whole half hour there. We kept going and we will keep going here. And how much pressures on this coaching staff to get this

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I'm going to zero. Yeah, all right? Um, how much pressure is on this coaching staff heading into draft day twenty twenty two and does that affect you know? Jerry has always been one that he listens to um the coaches and scouts. But the coaches have a lot of say and what the final decision is, or at least they he listens to them and takes them their advice

to heart. As he makes this, I would imagine they've already had their say right and um, and they've gone through this, and I would imagine they have a game plan, so it's not like, oh okay, Joe, Phil can get in here. We're thinking about taking an offensive which one do you? They know? I think some of that goes on if they're if they're choosing between an offensive lineman and a wide receiver where but they've gone over that, they've gone over it, but they just they'll just re

re go over it. Yeah. When we say Jerry, I mean, you know, it's Jerry still that guy that's you know, overriding no draft picks and things of that nature. No, No, I think to his credit, I think I think he gets a bad rap for that because I think through the years, and especially maybe more so recent years, I don't know, I mean, he really uh takes the heart, you know what the what the scouts and the coaches

say and and tries to make the prudent decision on it. Yeah, and I think he you know, he talked about it on Tuesday because he said, you know, everybody writes this and that, and the misconception is is, you know, when we make a decision, it'll be ten people have a say on it, and we think that right, that didn't come out of no well you know what, you know what I mean, we can go back to the nineties and two thousand exactly then when that's the persona that

he put out there, so all of a sudden to say, well, I think it started well, and I think it has to do with the personality of the head coach right too, and and the like for instance, parcels that he was he had. He wanted to be a part of the whole thing, right. Wade Phillips did not not soting. You know, it's like whatever they give me, that's fine. You know. Jason Garrett he had a hand in it. He was big time, and it was in his It's in his blood,

you know, his dad being a scout. And Jimmy and and I'll be going back to Jimmy um So and Barry Berry was he was fine. He was fine. He's a great evaluator or a talent, right say that man. And and Wade was kind of oh sure it was. Wade was kind of the same way. But I thought I thought Jerry, you know, he kind of talked about it and one of the things he pointed out and I thought it was a good quote. He said that if you give others credit, you can conquer the world.

And he said he had this little quote on his desk. Uh and and and he sort of does. It's not like, okay, we got to do you know, the story about Mansell got exaggerated, right, Jerry had the card in his hand. Well, no, the cards in New York getting right. Uh So that whole thing. Um. And part of part of the job of the guy who's making the decision is paying the check, Yeah,

is to present all scenarios too. Yes, right, And that's why at the last minute, while you're on the clock, you might have the position coaches there, you know, right, just and they do, they'll call the guy in before they make it. Okay, you can see here's where we're going that you think, and and give me some more information on him. Will They do a very good job of listening to Will McClay um and so, um, yeah, I just think that that just we heard much from Will. Ah,

he's done a couple of interviews, not many. We don't usually hear much from Will. Yeah in the house, and he would rather it that way. But he has, but he has, but he has a big say, I mean he has a big right, Yes, yes, and so and and even you know people, and Jerry reminded everybody that you know, Steven's been doing this for thirty three years. I was going to say, Steve learned something along the way. You know, all all that Stevens there's no football guys,

Stevens print is on. Yeah, a lot of a lot. This is a lot of the decisions on the cap too. He just doesn't get any blame, right, I think he liked it like that. Yeah, he's fine with not getting credit because he don't get credit, you know. Yeah, what is the overriding most important thing that needs to happen with the twenty fourth pick in the first round. It's like I said, it needs to be a walk in starter, okay, day one, and so it doesn't matter what position. It

needs to be a walk in starter. Yes, I agree with that because, like you can, there's so many mock drafts saying Zion Johnson or Kenyan Green offensive guard. And but if there is a player that you've got ranked higher, substantially higher than either one of those guys who can come in and be a walk in starter for you.

Get them. Get them because there are guards that you can get in the second, third, fourth round who can who can also actually come in and be a walk in starter for you, But you don't want to draft him in the first round. I take him in the best because I can get a story. You got the guy that come in at guard that could be in an immediate starter if and and and. If he's in the first round, you're like, ah, never mind, I gave you. But if he's in the second round, yeah, I'll take it. Okay,

I'll give you. I'll give you the two I'll give you the two reasons why. Okay, Number one, you always follow the money, right, guards are probably eighth in line for how much they get paid around the league. And secondly, in the history of the Dallas Cowboys, in the first round, they've taken two guards two John Niland and Zach Martin in the first round turned up and they all turned out pretty good. What does that mean? My point is they haven't imagine if they would have taken more guards. Right,

that's my point. They won five Super Bowls just kind of finding a guard. Right, go ask Nate Newton, right, see, I mean you found one. He was a USFL. Not a whole bunch of them out there. It's not a bunch of Nate Newtons out there, right, Okay, So you can't just act like you can just find them anyway when you're looking at off hanging fruit. But when you're looking for offensive lineman, what's your priority tackle? What's the next priority center? Okay? The rest of you guys are guards. See,

I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I thought guards were respected. Well, I was putting it just got talking about the money situation. So now you're getting down off into the dB status. So if you're looking at the defensive back, they don't pay much for dB. All the cornerbacks, dude, the cornerbacks, dude. So if you got safety out there who's a stud, you don't want to draft him in the first round because he better be

a real stud. Who's out there like that? Um? The safety from Notre Dame, Kyle Hamilton, Nick Cross is a real stud. Come in and start right, Come in and start, yes, come in Cross Crosses like second third. He's he's projected as a second round, second, second to third round and can still come in and start. In my opinion, he could challenge for it, in my opinion, and I think the second guy's got a challenge for a starting job.

So if so, you wouldn't take the first round. Probably not unless it's the when you when you start talking about trends, I trans can kiss my button. I know, I know, don't get you a damn, but the guy's got to be really special to do that, right, true, And if you follow the money at safety, unfortunately it's not that high. The other thing they need is a kicker. No fifth wound, fifth round, that's as high as we go. So so kickers. So one of those kicker in the

third round. I mean, you know, you know this guy's a stud. You know. Somebody asked me that had the Cowboys ever h drafted a kicker, and it's like, well, Nick Folk beeler. And then I started going through all the drafts they've drafted over the years, like nine kickers. Some of these guys you never heard of the Coos,

they never became anything Cowboys. But yeah, they've drafted kickers um back in the day, like in the in the sixties, seventies, seventies, and a couple of years they drafted him one after another, a couple of years were you know, Gil probably thought they were great athletes and they could come in and do something that Max maxin day Has, Do you remember him?

I believe that was eighty six. That was the bounty on the That was the bounty on Days right, it was different, it was it was m Louis Louise Louise, Yeah, I think that was my teammate. They were the Kickings and day Hasses, like the flying little Max and day Has was a fourth round pick. Yes, yes, holy was he the highest well in eighty six though there was still he was one hundredth pick in the draft. There was twelve picks, right, they hadn't they've gone twelve round

twelve rounds. Yeah, well that's what I meant. Yeah, didn't come out the way four fourth round, one hundredth pick in the draft was magazine day Hoss kicker. Wow, No wonder we fell on hard times there in the late eighties. No talent in the draft obviously, you know, no talent in the draft. So I'm just wondering at eighty sixth draft was Mike Schirard in the first round, Darryl clack in the second, Mark Whylan third, Maxi Das and the fourth Thornton Chandler. Is he called me? He just called

me this morning. Yes, he did. Garth Jacks in the eleventh round. Crazy turned into a great country western singer. Yeah, all right, Garth Jackson, mate, he made he made his Uh that's a joe. That's awful. That's why I was how didn't even want to get him credit for he made his name on the replacement team Garth Jacks, Yes,

it did. I think he ended up going to the come on was later on this by the way, speaking of Garth Brooks, Uh, do you remember in the eighties his concert at Texas Stadium when he went flying through the I believe it was the nineties. It was in the nineties. It was in the nineties, early nineties. Yeah, early night. You remember that. Okay, were you there? I was there, Yes, the rafters give us some great I was hoping he was covering it. He's having a cancer. This is a tie end to a T and T

s or is Maybe it's Globe I Field. I'm not sure. Maybe he won't be flying around this July thirtieth. July thirtieth concert. Okay, we interviewed him. Uh, some of the people at CBS eleven and reviewed him at leading up to that a week or so ago, previewing this concert and ticket sales and so forth, and so um. I mentioned to Doug Dunbar, our anchor, I said that I went to a concert Guarth Brooks. He was flying through

the air. It Texas Stadium whatever. And then Doug Dunbar says, well, Karen Border and I we did a live broadcast from Texas Stadium when they blew up the place. Yeah. I was there for that too, yeah, and that I said, what TI, I don't know it was Texas Stadium was the tie. I've been at Texas Stadium when they won an NFC title. So then I re upped him. Well, you know, as a kid, I used to ride my bike down to Texas Stadium when it was under construction.

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local exports, and find the perfect lens for you. See more, Do more, Hey, and let me give you one little mick shot. Thanks to the Cowboys PR Department. Okay, since twenty ten, Dallas has selected sixteen players that have gone on to make at least one Pro Bowl, the most in the NFL over that span, second Kansas City in

Minnesota with fifteen. How about that since win so that would have been Dez right and um Also the Cowboys pick spanning the previous nineteen drafts since twenty two thousand and two, have been selected to eighty four Pro Bowls, twenty eight different players, and that is twelve more than any other team over that span. Kansas City second at seventy two. You know, as we get more into you know, present times, I wouldn't that might be based on popularity more than but not not the pro not the all

pro thing. Yes, most all pro draft picks since twenty ten Dallas nine, San Francisco seven, Kansas City, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Rams and Ravens six. And the other thing that happens on the Pro Bowl more recently is the opt outs of the Pro Bowl. And so there are more people making the Pro Bowl right than in years. But that that applies for all the other teams too, That's right, right, that's true, that's true. That's something to be thought of,

all right. That doesn't count like finding Tony Romo, although I don't know if he ever got to he probably went to a Pro Bowl. Yes, yeah, well, he was always in line behind was draft police. Yeah. Four Pro Bowls per tony okay, yep um. Ever, since you want to do what you want to do, Yes, yes, I got this uh from Yahoo. They had Remembering News and

radio executive Jerry Lopes. I don't know if you guys ever had heard of the Sheridan family s H E R I d A N. Black family that started their own radio network, a Sheridan Broadcast, No, I s b N. That's amazing to me because they gave me my first shot, you know, I had and this stuff. No, not this crap, my real job. No. They actually they had the Sheridan Broadcasting All American Bowl Game, which gave you know, black

college players like myself who didn't get drafted. We weren't even highly thought of, so we were able to have our own All Star game, All American Game in Jackson, Mississippi, nineteen eighty. It was freezing out there in January or something, and I recalled there were fifteen hundred people in the stands, fifteen hundred, fifteen hundred people in Jackson Stadium, Jackson Memorial Stadium, Mississippi Memorial status. And so went from there. They had

all kinds of all American teams. They had guys like Doug Williams and James Shaq Harris who were tolding the you know, the torch for to make sure that people understood how important they were for HBCU players. So this man has died at the age of seventy two of natural causes, but he was extremely instrumental in my development as a person as well. Um, we had one event where the remember the Potomac, the planes crashed into the

Potomac at that time. Well, it held up of course, it was tragedy, of course, but it also held up traffic to where airline traffic to where the MC for the event couldn't make it. So here I am just after the San Francisco game, you know, the catch game, and I had to go there and fill in as an MC because the other guys couldn't make it because the crash caused. And I met a guy there name Armstrong Williams. I don't know if you guys ever heard

of him. He's like a right wing black guy who is still to this day is is extremely popular on the right side. Uh, And I just it was just a y. It was a great development for me. Because I had to be the MC and Armstrong Williams. I had never done that crap before twenty four years old BNMC for this inventiment. I don't even know these people. It gets invited me and so I'm strong. Williams wrote out, uh, just some notes for me, a scripts, a little script

because he could see me sitting up sweating bullets. So he helped me out. Jerry Lops also helped me out. And I did a great job. I came up and first thing they said, it was a tell a joke, so well out there, and I told a joke and it went well and from then on, I was, you know, flying on through. So it was just a good a good development for me as a person. Of course, they helped me out in my career, uh in my college career, and they helped out many other HBCU players to get

that Sheridan Broadcasting All American game. Now it has morphed into the HBCU a Black College Hall of Fame game and Hall of Fame awards as well. So what we have is uh them starting something with the American Urban Radio Network. Once they started that, we kind of morphed into what we have now to where we're still noticing and you know players that you know from HBCUs that don't necessarily get the coverage that the PW eyes get.

So now I just had to mention that Jerry Lows is a good guy at seventy two years old, that the natural causes, great guy, fought for a lot of black journalists out there, going all the way up to the White House. We just did a great job. He did a great job, and he influenced so many people. So just sad to see him go and just had to remember all the things that Sheridan family did for us, and also Jerry Lows, he did a great job. He

did a great job for a lot of people. All right, the American Urban Radio Network, you are in the nation's only African American owned and controlled radio network for many years. It's right Sheridan Sheridan Broadcasting. So thanks to Bill Jones, and we talked about it last Friday. He mentioned a guy and I went back and looked at his highlight films and I'm all in on Christian Watson. There you go, Christian Watson. Remember we talked about him that he was

six to four and run four what was it? A four three six, right, someone listened to me, Well, how could you not listen to that? I went I went back and looked at that, and it left my jaw dropping. How he was running by people, not people that people that had an angle on him. He was running by people that were side by side, and he just split them and went right down the middle past them all and they were losing ground as he was getting closer to the goal line. Okay, so where do you want

to draft him? I'd like to use my second round on him. But you know what, I just saw a mock draft that had him in the first that's right. So would you take him at twenty four? Yes? I would totally would. Hallelujah, he's my guy all along. Oh man, finally, finally, and I don't care that he was playing FCS or whatever it is, right right, FCS North Dakota State. I go back, I go back to two thousand and eight.

I mean, this guy reminds me of Jordy Nelson. Yeah, okay, I go back to two thousand and eight and the Cowboys had two first round draft picks, had a great need for a cornerback in or running back. Took Mike Jenkins took Felix Jones, Jordy Nelson went early second round

of the Green Bay Packers. And what happened that year? Okay, the Cowboys in two thousand and eight, they get to mid season and they were they needed a wide receiver so badly that they traded at midseason for Roy Williams, giving up the two thousand and nine first round draft pick. And how awful was the two thousand nine draft, as it turned out, for the Cowboys drafted eleven guys and only one of them they could turn out to anything, be anything, John Phillips, a tight end river in the

fifth round or whatever. All right, but the point being, Okay, in April, we didn't think we really needed a wide receiver, and then six months later, lo and behold, we needed a wide receiver so badly that we gave up a first round pick the next year to do it. You know, and obviously the team needs a wide receiver right now. But it's a great illustration, I think. And by the way, in two thousand and nine, had the Cowboys had that first round draft pick, you know who they could have

drafted for Boyd Phillips defense Clay Matthews. Yeah, I was gonna say not James Williams. H Clay Matthews, who with Wade Phillips history in Houston, he would have been he would have that would have been one pick he would have been pounded the table for. And of course who got Clay Matthews. It was the Packers. Packers were playing in the Super Bowl what the next year. And this guy can return kicks too, by the way, even though he's six, and so could Jordy Nelson. Yeah, so Clay Matthews,

that's my guy. Yeah, right, so you're on board. That's a good deal because once again, I love these little, fast guys, but we have to get six four. We need more physical wide receiver and that's what it's getting to. You've got the Tiwick Hills, of course, and we've still got, you know, some of the smaller receivers. But when you start talking about a big receiver that can make an impact getting off the line of scrambles, he will. He won't always be open, but he will always have a

chance to catch the ball. That's Drake London too, the USC guy. Because if you throw it up yeah I saw that too. Yeah, if you throw it up, he might be might be open. Right, That's my point. The other the other thing I noticed has taken place right now is everybody's picking up there uh or not everybody not I think maybe ten so far picking up their fifth year option on the first round picks from twenty nineteen.

And I was going, oh, what did Oh they didn't have a draft choice in twenty nineteen because they gave it up for Maury Cooper. Well, they didn't get five years out of that first round pick. They got three and a half. Yeah, at a high cost. Right, and and so you your deal with first round picks. You want to get five years. Uh and and they didn't get it because they had to. They gave up the pick. And what was minute mid season twenty eighteen? Right, Um, still was a good sign for us? No, no, it was.

But you would you would like that time? Right? No? No, it did. It saved the season. But if you would have drafted Juju Smith Schuster had that year, then in twenty seventy you might not have had Yeah, you might not, you might not. Yeah. So anyway, I'm just gonna throw out Christian well the well, the good thing about this draft is it's obvious the team has needs across the board, and so there are no disguised needs on this team

right now. You know, we don't have that luxury at this point, and that's because there had it's been it's been different the this off season as far as the free agent signings, the lack of free agent signings the Cowboys have made. Now, that doesn't mean, as Stephen Jones has been quick to point out in every press briefing he's had, that free agency isn't over and so it's the way it's played out in free agency. I'll just

take the offensive line. There are ten offensive guards and ten offensive tackles who haven't found jobs, who are veteran free agents out there right now. Who started. I'm sorry, I'm not they started not The second team is span see where you hit. Give you some names because I did write five of them down, okay, and I don't know if they were listed in this list in order.

H Eric Flowers, former first round draft picker and he flamed out, Trey Hopkins trades, uh Laurence Druvenay Tardiff, and Quintin Spain who started for the Cincinnati Bengals and they didn't want them back. You know, the super Bow because you say it in their kind of cheeky manner. That started started. I wouldn't know if they're ever not ever started for the Cincinnati Bengay. You know how bad the Benga. Well, their offensive line. They made it to the super Bowl

by some damn miracle with that offensive line. If you had those that offensive line and you went to the super Bowl, you'd be fine, right, that's you should be. And they and they were restructuring the whole dude, that's right, that's right. They're probably taken. They are they listed to take an offensive lineman, all right, they are ill. I bet they'll take a guard too. Oh they have to. Could Quin Spain was their start. They would take a

guard in the first round. But there are you're right there. You can bring in a veteran guy and you probably can get them for one year and whatever. I go to Daryl Williams is one started for Buffalo last year. Seventeen starts out of Lake Dallas. There's one for you right there that you didn't mention. I guess he because he was looking at pessimism. Oh, he probably was down farther on the list. They called it up and you got JC Treader, who as a history with this coaching staff.

Who's heard I read capped casualty in Cleveland. They had an injury issue. Yes, he does sixteen games last year, he didn't. He didn't practice hardly all season because of his injury. About you want Zack Martin's brother guard, He's available, Nick Martin? Is he really? Yep? No? Is he really? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? I thought he played it here. He was the second round draft pick of the Texans in twenty sixteen. Oh didn't I know that? Ye started started sixty two games

there see. And that goes to my premise on the guard. The guard. The guard's got to be able to play tackle, and if you draft a center, he has to play guard? How to do both? So I need some and and and actually Mike pointed it out about position flex. It's very important. He was talking about defensive lineman, like can you play the three technique or the one technique at defensive tackle? You want guys to do both. And he's always talked about position flex. So I think that's important

on the offensive line. Okay, uh, final minute here, our pick to click Kristen Watson Penny. So yeah, all right, So at twenty four, let's say the Cowboys stay at twenty four. Who are you hoping the Cowboys pick at twenty four? Who is your pick to click? I'm taking Christian Watson. I'm taking that's my guy, my guy up with somebody else. It wasn't until the last few minutes you decided he was at first, the last few minutes. It was the next day when I looked him up

and watched, I can't take my guy. Who's your guy, Christian? Watch who you don't know who's available? Um, I'll take I'll take a Larvae Who is he wide receiver of house? Nice? Nice? And he can It looked like he can play all three positions. And if he's gone, well he didn't ask me that. Yeah, man, come on, what are we doing? Let me look at my not going to say a guard there's no no, no no. If if it's a guard's, it's got to be Zion. I like. I like Kenyan Green,

Kenyan Green. I've read things about his knees. Knee, Yeah, and it's something we'll get him in the second round. And well maybe, but you you, I think the concern is you're not gonna get five years. You might not get five years out of him. How many years you get out of round Leary Blatin literally wasn't drafted right and but he was your starting guard. But he ended up. But in the end his knee did give out. Not here, not here, fine here on the way. So in the end,

his knee gave out. Everyone goes out. Remember Larry was projected as a first round draft. Yes, he was well, and he fell right out of the draft, and he fell right into the starting line up for the greatest, the greatest offensive line ever assembled in twenty sixty. We don't care if his knee gives out in Denver. But he wasn't a first round pick. You can't, as it turns out, you can't. But as it turns out, if you went back and redrafted and looked at their careers,

you was Ronald Learry. That's a good pick in twenty four the first round. Yeah, we only need four or five years out of it. If you were going to take that chance, yeah right, yeah, And so yeah, I'm going for the small school guys man. Guy, dude, he's my guy, Zion Johnson. I wouldn't because I penny he'll be gone. You got a trade up for him? Yeah, Zion Johnson, he can play center or guard and maybe tackle who knows. Okay, so that would be if if they were at that spot the wide receivers were we're

wiped out. Defensive ends of any note were wiped out. I'm on the record. I'll trust to kidd in Green. Okay, yea if I'm going guard, but Christian Watson otherwise, all right, that does it? What we're done already, We're not done. The day is just beginning. It has that's right, yeah, Okay, enjoy the coverage here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and we will talk at you and oh wow, build this will be way in our rearview mirror the next time time.

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