The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is Mick Shot screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys Half now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, and Nicky Spagnola. It is a Monday morning at a little after eleven o'clock, and that means it is time for another edition of mix Shots inside the s to BBC podcast studio here at the Beautiful Star in Frisco.
It is April tenth, two thousand and twenty three. It is south teen days away from the first day of the NFL Draft. I am Bill Jones. We've got Everson Walls sitting in Mickey Spagnola's seat. So, Everson, you are the star of this show. I am captain now, that's right, Yes you are. And we have Mickey Spagnola's somewhere and we hope to have him on the show at some point over the course of the next forty five minutes or so if I say if I say so, I will allow Spags to come on. I am the man, right,
you gotta get me, look, get me. It's been a while since we've had a chance to hear Everson's thoughts on what's going on. So we got some ketchup to do here. Over been some goods, been some good news. I think we've been signing the right people right to make things happen, like taking care of business to get to where you don't have to reach. Come April twenty seventh in the draft, still happy about the wide receiver signing. Yeah, when you get a thousand yards with five different teams,
we'll jump into that right off the top here. But you know, we're looking at here. Over the last couple of weeks, we had what baseball opening day, we had to college basketball champions. They're all right, they're a game over five. Not as well over the weekend, but I had the college basketball champion crown a week ago. We had the Masters over the weekend, the women's game. Man, come on, that's right now. W NBA is gonna be hot. You get you got everybody's gonna be walking out like this. Now.
We're getting excited about the Stars starting the playoffs, and we're getting excited about the Mavericks in the draft. Line talk about how about that? Talk about choices, right choices? If you were a player, okay, and you're you've got two games left in your season, and you have chance to get into a play in tournament, and you still
have a postseason chance however you can get. And then you find out at eleven o'clock on Friday morning, the morning of a game, that you're not playing the night and you're not playing Sunday, and your season not just you, a few other guys blood got pulled on your season. What would ever sin Wall's reaction be? You know, not only that it was the fact that you faked us out with Luca, you know, like you played him why but yeah on Friday because it was Slovenian Night at
the right No, no, it was. It was a special night. That's why he played. He played a quard makes this even funnier. Man, Come in, come on, I mean, I'm sure Slovenian people are great people, but who cares about that when you know you're taking the game? That's right, that's why he played the first quarter of the game. But even beyond beyond that, I had Chuck Cooperstein, the radio voice of The Mavericks, on a show on CBS last night, and he was talking about on Wednesday he
was stunned that the decision was made. And on Wednesday night, they played, as Chuck put it, maybe their best game of the season, beating beating a Sacramental team that's really good this year, and they beat him one twenty three one nineteen, okay, and kept those hopes alive and still just so. Then on the heels of that, the plug gets pulled. Whatever doesn't make it. I was just I was just wondering if Everson Walls was on this team. And the thing about it is everyone the players have
been quiet about it. Everson would be so vocal about it. I know I wouldn't be like Hyrie. I would show up. I think he's I think he knows himself better than not to show up. Yeah, well, because agency he's gotten, either himself or his agent has advised him. Uh, you just lay low, We don't. There's no rea for you to comment on this because he will be connected to this explosion. Right. He was friendly and there's no governor
on his mouth, and so he would. He speaks his mind, as it's been proven time and again, and Eversince speaks his mind too, So that's why I would love to hear whatever. So I definitely be extremely confused. I think I'd be more like Luca at this point, really, because he was trying his best to just you know, he was just trying. He said, I didn't like it, but he was very short with That's good for him, yeah, because he's he's he's a bit explosive as well. Yeah.
So anyway, there you go, and Mickey Spagnola might be joining us here. Man, we don't need Spags. Keep it going both, we don't need him. Hey. Oh damn, hey sas Hey buddy, Hey o pal, the seat's really warm over here, Thank you, sir. Well mine's getting warm more. I'm right now. And are you going to reveal where you are or you want to leave that you're gonna do? Yeah? Yeah, and my white wall behind me didn't work, so so we got your other phone line anyway, So wherever you are,
there are phone lines. Okay, So Mickey, we're just getting started here, and I don't know if you've been able to listen right off the top. But one of the things that Everson just alluded to, which we might as well start with that, and it's the wide receiver situation, not only on this team but around the league in the big news yesterday O b J agreeing to terms with the Baltimore Ravens. It is a reported one year, fifteen million dollars guaranteed salary, with the possibility of getting
it up to eighteen million with incentives. And I am stunned that team gave him that kind of money with the market that we've seen for wide receivers, which has been basically around the eleven million dollar year range here, and he hadn't played any year, and especially since they won't pay the quarterback what he's looking for. I'm sure
this I'm trying to figure out. Did this go over real well that they got me a weapon, or the fact that they spent fifteen million dollars and a guy that hasn't played in a year over a year, but they gave him fifteen million dollars. You know, right now OBJ is sitting there thinking, and you guys thought I was just fishing. I got I got the money I wanted all this time. I would imagine Spags his his workouts had to be good, right, because you think they did.
I haven't read anything that he worked out. It was well worked out, you mean personally with the with the Ravens, he had had a Yeah, he had a workout that teams attended. Yeah, he did a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, it must have been. It must have been. Yeah, he looked video I saw looked great. Yeah, yeah, so interesting. So yeah, I mean, you know the fact that he finally got the workout. I think that's what a lot of teams are waiting on. If he didn't get fifteen,
he may have gone to the Jets. And that was the speculation that he was going to visit New York and the Jets today. And uh so maybe that was enough to push the Ravens to up the endy and he said, Okay, first team that offers me fifteen, I'm taking it. And he's hook it. Yea. It can't be just the money, can It can't be just the model, right, He's got to know something's going coming down the line. He's not just going to Baltimore for the money. He's
going because he knows something. Right. Well, that's what I was getting ready to say. Maybe he knew more about the quarterback situation in Baltimore than he knew about the quarterback situation with the Jets. That's crazy, but good point. Yeah, I'm thinking like the Jets are done deal. Also I'm having myself team yeah, and each team is hanging there saying, hey, this is what we want to do, but they hadn't
done it yet and it's April tenth. That's right, there is There are new reports that the Rogers to the Jets deal will probably get done during the draft. But I think I think also the Ravens probably and maybe in their negotiations with with Lamar Jackson, he's been concerned, as Everson has pointed out that they haven't had a Pro Bowl received wide receiver on that team. They have tied end Mark Andrews. But uh, this in a way sweetens the pot for Lamar Jackson by bringing in OBJ,
because you know OBJ has had conversations with Lamar Jackson. Yeah, and so there's only one pot Lamar Jackson wants sweet sweetened. Right. Well, Uh, Bill was saying he should fire his agent. Lamar should fire his agent himself and hire ob J's agent. They'll
get the deal done. That I'm fired. I'm fired. But that brings us back to the Cowboys because obviously the Cowboys had ob j n during the regular season back in December what four months ago, and there was still speculation going into this offseason that ob j might wind up here in Dallas, and in the meantime, the Cowboys pulled off the deal about three weeks ago now on a Sunday morning with the Houston Texans and send a fifth round draft pick to Houston in exchange for Brandon Cooks.
And I don't know about y'all, but I like havin Brandon Cooks on this with and I like the fact that he played last year and he's not coming off with two torn acls on the same knee. You know, when you think of a wide receiver like that. And I don't know what we're gonna do with t Y, but you have two very precise route runners with it. With those two guys, they're they're where you want them to be at all times, and they can they can they can make their own moves off the line. They
can get off the line and be the one on one. Uh. To me, that's uh, that's what you need. You need someone that you can count on when that guy's pressed in press position. You know, I need you to get inside, I need you to run that route. I need to be where I want you to be when I let it go those two guys. To me, they have they have made their reputations on being those type of receivers,
you know. And here's the other thing we got to consider, because you remember when he was flirting with the Cowboys back last year, he mentioned, I want to go somewhere where I can stay. I want to go somewhere where I can stay for four years. I'm tired of living
out of a suitcase, going from town to town to town. Well, he only got a one year deal, so it's not like Baltimore was all in on this, right and maybe neither were the Jets, because it sounds like, now if he's just trying to take a shot at the money for one year and try to re establish himself, which I think he should have done from the first place, but he wanted a long term deal and he didn't get it. So that kind of raises a little bit
of a red flag, right you know. Maybe, and I'm just fishing here, maybe his successful workout really made him approach this in a totally different way. Maybe he's feeling so good right now that he feels more comfortable with a one year deal. You know, it feels that good to me too. I don't have to hide behind the multi year deal. I can prove it to you now with one year deal. I don't know, that's that's a stretch, I know, but obviously he felt really good about that. Fifteen.
He jumped on that pretty fast, considering, you know, since the Rodgers deal is in the bag, he could he could have actually considered the Jets. So how many years has he removed from a really good season? Well, let me look him up there. I would say something postseason because he only played what four or five six games with the Rams, but they were good, they were quality games a right until the playoffs. Odell Odell in twenty twenty one, combined Cleveland and the Rams played fourteen games,
thirteen starts. He had forty four receptions for five hundred and thirty seven yards and five touchdowns that season in the regular season. In the playoffs for the Rams, he had four more games, so they get you up to seventeen games that season and had twenty one more receptions, so they get you up to what sixty five receptions a couple of more touchdowns, So not bad. The playoffs were good, right, He was just a regular season He was solid. He regular sea Yeah, but not for twenty
million dollars. And in the regular season with the Rams, the last half of that regular season eight games, seven starts, he had twenty seven receptions and five touchdowns for the Rams, and so then a couple that with what he did in the playoffs, that would be twelve games, forty eight receptions and seven touchdowns in twelve games. So that's, yeah, not bad year. Prior to that, in twenty twenty seven games with Cleveland, twenty three receptions, so that was a
down year, and of course had the injury. The previous year with Cleveland in twenty nineteen, it was seventy four receptions, a thousand yards and four touchdowns. And then prior to that, that was his first year with Cleveland, and prior to that was with the Giants from twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen, three straight Pro Bowl seasons to start his career fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen. So the last really good full season was twenty the eighteen. I mean, if it was with one team,
I don't know about it. I mean, I think I think it's twenty one season pretty good myself, but but not twenty nineteen or twenty nineteen with Cleveland. He had seventy four catches for a thousand yards. So well I get that from Michael Gallant before he got hurt and he got a contractor, So there you go. Yeah, and it wasn't twenty million a year anyway. We don't have to talk about OBJ anymore, No, I don't, all right, but we got plenty more to talk about the Cowboys.
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the way, you're happy to hand it up. No, we want to continue having Mickey make the reads because it's very entertaining. It's not as entertaining whenever reason. I know I'm too, I'm too stop two spot on man two spot on? All right, Mickey, as uh you. I don't know what you're doing, but you're not here, so you're doing something else as you're doing you or whatever else you're doing. Are you studying up for the draft? I am, did you bring along your Cowboys Star magazine and your
NFL Draft guide. It's sitting right here in front of me with what do they got? One? Two, three, four, five guys on the cover? That's right? And I think they're Are they all from Texas? They are not. If I see an or knock, I see an organ duck gun their govern from Texas. Yes, but he is from Texas. See there. They're not all from DFW, but they're close. No, but this producer Supreme said mentioned DFW Jackson Smith and
Jigba number eleven the Ohio State Buck guy from Rockwall, Texas. Wow, if he were available at twenty six, you run to the podium and get that guy. But he's not gonna be there at number twenty six, I would run there for him. Are about number five from Texas? That would be the running back be Jean Robinson? How fast would you run to the podium to make that call? I trade up to twenty one? You would? You're pulling him at Smith? Did you hear about the guy when him
when he would when he was first born? He I think that he's heart wasn't beating. Did you know this story about about be Jean his mom was. I believe his mom was telling the story when he was first born. It was a real tear jerker. Were firstborn. You know, he wasn't his heart wasn't beating, and somehow he put three fingers on him and hearts did bone. He's just heart started beating. The next thing, you know, he's just
stud They were looking at right now crazy stuff. Man, Well and sure beat well at ut That's all I know. And it would uh, it would beat well if he was at the Star in Frisco. I don't. I just don't think there's any way that he's still gonna be there at number twenty six. I think you got of hope that people keep continue to think, Wow, we shouldn't take a running back in the first round. What's bags? I must tell you. You know Bill's over here trying to be cute. You know, he comes in teasing me
with I know I've got a draft. I just gotta will it down. But it must know I got. I'm thinking he's talking about bees because he's been all over him. Right, He's like, no, no, not him. He won't be there. Someone more real listed. I say, okay, well, let me spit it out there. I said, I'm not I'm not ready. I'm not ready, thank you. I'm not ready to reveal my number one guy in my big green NFL Draft scotting notebook for the Cowboys just yet. But I think
maybe next Monday I might reveal it. Well, I thought you were talking about maybe a different running back. I do like another running back. There are a couple of running backs that I like. And the other running back there would be a you would have to take in the first stroud because he wouldn't be there in the second round, would be Jamir Gibbs from Alabama. That guy's got some serious juice. But he's smaller than uh than be Jean, he's two hundred pounds. What about Charbonneau? He's
not telling, he's not talking. So you've done some research on Zach Charbonnet from UCLA and I have watched in person? Uh von a Chain also? Yeah, but Texas a and Okay, so you tell me who do you like? Well? A Chain? He's five eight ran a four three two with a four one forty nine split, which is getting it, and he plays past two. You worry about his size, but boy, I think the game I saw against LSU, he must have carried the ball thirty times. I'm just saying that
off time. Is he is he a tywreek hill a short? Or is he you know, more of a turpin short? You know one was a little bit more slight than the other. He's five five eight and a half one hundred eighty eight pounds one eighty a is what he measured. And you know he's not big, But can you catch him?
Just to give you an idea of the speed. Okay, he ran the four three two and on the track team at Texas A and M. And he ranks number three all time at Texas A and M with a six sixty three sixty, number four all time with a twenty point two two hundred and number nine all time with a ten point one four one hundred meters. That's how fast this guy is. Now, Now what I what I know? What I know about fast guys? Now? Is he fast guy? Is he is he Alexander Wright? Or
is he is he? Is he? Bob Hayes him saying, is he is he a guy who can play football? Mickey's point be real fat? Or is he just real fasting? Right to the point about him playing football? Here is stats in ten games with Texas A and M this year, one hundred and ninety six carries for one thousand, one hundred two yards five point six yards to carry and eight touchdowns. And he also caught the ball thirty six times for one hundred ninety six yards and three more scores.
So my math is right, ten games, eleven hundred yards. That's like one hundred and ten yards a game rushing the football. That's more than Renaldo mem I ever did in the football. He carried the load for him, too interesting, So I mean, that's that's what I need. If I get a running back, he's got to be able to carry the load and let Tony Pollard do what Tony Pollard does. Okay, so we've seen the last four years Pollard teamed with Zeke Elliott, and Zeke is that between
the tackle running back? Okay, and polar is the outside guy who can take it to the house. What needs to be paired with Tony Pollard? Right now or as we approached the draft? Are we as concerned with pairing whoever it is with Tony Pollard or just get the best running back because running backs don't last very long in this league. Tony Pollard's coming off an injury and he's going into his fifth year in the league right now. So how much longer is Tony Pollard going to play
in this league? See and Bill, That's one of the things that has to factor into all this. While they franchised him, there's a reason they franchised him and didn't give him a long term deal. Right, everybody's just assuming Tony Pollard comes back as Tony Polard. I keep sayings facts, I keep saying those exact words. We gotta see and we're just assuming. So that's why I think that if you want to call it the second running back, he better be ready to carry the load. Just in Kate.
I mean, even if Pollard is back to being Pollard, they're not going to give him twenty five touches a game. And if you're seventeen weeks, if you're taking a running back in the first round or even the second round, he is going to be your number one running back in a couple of years if he's if he's not already, absolutely, And that's why I continue to say, and I said it before, they said it after the draft. If Ezekiel Ellie it's still sitting around and knowing, you know, giving
him what he's looking for, bring him back. And I've really been kind of open. And if you do it that way, you're not insulting him. Like if you had said, Okay, ten point die, I'm going to give you two and a half million, that would have been insulting. But if you're without a job and it's may, you know, three million might sound really good to him. Let me ask
you this, Mickey. Let's say Zeke is still a free agent come draft weekend and you've had some conversations with him, and how much does it affect what the Cowboys do in terms of a running back in the draft if they think that Zeke is a possibility or more of a growing possibility to sign him after the draft. Do
you mean like, does it affect Does it affect? Yeah, I'm thinking more beyond the first round because if if there's a if they're considering a running back in the first round, that running back is a guy that they think will be their lead back at some point in the not too distant future. But let's say we get to the second round, the third round, and does it affect their decision on whether to take that running back?
If with other needs that they have. If they think that they can fill a need with Zeke right now, Yeah, I think it does. And I think it does not just with Zeke, but whatever running act they pick, if it's not early in the draft, he's got to be he They gotta think he's better than Malite Davis or ric O'Donnell, Jon Ronald Jones. Yeah, absolutely, those three guys. I like that. I like that pick. Ronald Jones, like that signing. I really you know what happened to this guy?
I think he started having fumba this or something when he was in Tampa. He fumbled against the Cowboys one game season opener. Yeah, he had. I was sitting right behind, right behind his family before the game. They're all excited. But he was a really, really good running back. He Ronald Jones, who of course signed last month with the
Cowboys out of McKinney North High School. Last year he was with Kansas City and with the Chiefs only appeared in six games last year seventeen carries for seventy yards in a touchdown. Prior to that with Tampa Bay, uh second round draft pick out of USC in twenty eighteen, Key Year didn't do much that year, just appeared in nine games backup. He started nine games in twenty nineteen.
He started thirteen games in twenty twenty, and then in twenty one after being the that was the year the Cowboys opened the season at Tampa Bay and after being there basically a primary back at the beginning of the season, he played in sixteen games, but only three starts, with four hundred twenty eight yards rushing, four touchdowns and four Nette became their gay. That's yeah, that's it, right before four net. That's why they went to guys four in
net right, because they became disappointed in him. But I really saw some promise in him early on when he was the primary back. You know. But here again is another guy going into his sixth year in the league. How old is he he is? I don't have a written down here. I have to look it up. But come on, he's still in the He's still in the game. So Zeke, Now he's say major, Yeah, he's been he's been taking some hits, resting and he's a but he's kind of a placeholder. Right, It's almost like, okay, we
got this just in case, right. Well. Ronald Jones, a veteran Ronald Jones will turn twenty six in August. Come on, man, you guys young. Yep, that's young. So he was just at USC for three years. I hope, I'm I'm I'm right about this. But I really did think that guy was a good back when he was with Tampa. I saw some promise in him. He made some good He's got some good speed as well. So that size ghost goes to Kansas City and they their seventh round draft
pick out a Rutgers Pacheco. Uh, the kind of stole them. Hey, we'll stole the show there, that's right? What was me? All right? We're gonna continue with more mixed shots in just a moment. We paid how much for those lessons? She's doing great? Oh yeah, totally. Can you pass me a pepsi zero sugar? Great job, honey, Oh look at that. That's not the end, no way. Now it's time for the encore. You know what, You're right? Five times not enough times for everyone who traded in rock concerts for
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pretty cool. Yeah, but you know what these reads are supposed to be done in like ten or fifteen second. He's got his own style, right, I have more inflection than you do. Say that's sometimes sometimes the slower read could be more effect. I think about Summer all Immer, all murder, Everson, she wrote Walls or yeah, but he wasn't. He wasn't getting paid to get him done in a certain amount of time. I have stage, I have stage present, sir,
Thank you very much. Exactly right, all right, Everson? How long was it for you were in the league. How many years were you in the league before the announcers finally figured out that your name was Everson and not Emerson Walls. It didn't it didn't take long. But Tom never got it, you know, I mean, he was just that stubborn he was. I don't know why he wouldn't say it correctly. That's because there are people were thinking of Emerson Boozer, I think, And that could be it.
You know, you might have been the first Everson to come along. Oh, there's no doubt that one, for sure, the first Everson to come along after Emerson Boozer. Definitely. Yeah, And that was what the first Walls. But then there's the second Walls. Was it west Wesley Walls? What's the tight end's name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. So no. Unique is all around the boy. Baby, there's no one like me. Bill, I thought you knew that. You know. In fact, I just did a little search. This is amazing,
Mickey Spagnola. I just did a search of Everson on Pro Football Reference to come up with all of the Eversons who have played in the professional football and I've got two. There's only two. Yeah, I just put in Everson. I did a search Everson, and only two came up, and both of them played for the Cowboys. Right. He was named after me, of course, Everson Griffin. That's how about that? How many joes have played in the end? Okay, let me I'll do that. I'll do that. How about Mickey,
Let's do Mick. I'm gonna do Mickey. In Philadelphia, I believe it was John Spagnola. Can you name the former cowboy who had the name Mickey? A cowboy who had the name Mickey. There is no way you will get it. And in fact, he played at the University of Oklahoma. Wow, thirty years ago. Thirty years ago, there was a cowboy named Mickey. Oh, Mickey Pruitt. No, No, that's not the one I'm thinking of. This is a last name Mickey, Joey Mickey a tied end in nineteen I didn't now
you got us on that. Look up. There's quite a few Mickeys that have played at the National Football League. Mickey, you wanted to make a point about Ronald Jones. Yeah, I was gonna say when we talked about, you know what he is or what they think he is, I just said, always when you see those things, follow the money and the money says it's a one year veteran exception.
So they didn't like spend so much money that you know, he's not even guaranteed to make the team, and so he but he hadn't been injured a lot either, has he been spags? No, No, he's gonna turn. What to say, he's gonna turn twenty six? Right right? Mom? Man, this guy here to me. If i'm him, this is my opportunity. Is he your pick to click for this season? There you go, we're saying the bags. We're saying there writing
as bags. That's my pick to click right there. Write that down, that's right, okay, yeah, write it down and save and save the tape. I've got one Spagnola, by the way, who played in the National Football League and John John Spagnola. Yep, from that funny story. So back to all that shows up on Pro Football Reference where you do a search anyway, Yes, go ahead, and back in the mid eighties, he was playing tight end for
phil Pladelphia. Yes, And I was covering the game and had to do a sidebar and he had a great first half, and just so happened. The sports entator was at the game in Philadelphia and he came to turn to me and he said, Okay, if this guy's the story, we're going to have Spagnola and the headline and the bye line. And then the second half changed, and I think something happened that Cowboys came back and and the story just disappeared. I was like, oh, it was my
one chance to have my headline. So you were putting them against the Cowboys, then yes, absolutely, just so you could shine, just so I could get above the byeline and at the bye line. All right, mickey, what other things are you looking at? Is with the draft approaching here in two and a half weeks for this team. Well, here's here's one thing that I keep seeing and and I'm not doing this to start trouble, but everybody keeps talking about the Cowboys need an interior line league, but
not in the first round. And when I look at what they got, and I wrote it in my column on Friday, They've got five guys that can start for me if they're healthy today right now. I got to qualify it because I got it too. I don't want to just assume that Tared Steele is going to be ready to go for the season opener. So you're saying five guys who's can start for you on the offensive line, or yes, for five interior guys who Okay, I called them, they have They have the fab five right and now
it's contingent on two things. Number One, steals ready to go now. He had his surgery December thirteenth, So if he if he's good to go in seven months, then he's my starting right tackle. Now. If he's good to go in nine months, then all bets are off because he's maybe not ready to start the season. My other assumption has to be that since they extended or at least restructured Tyron Smith, that they must feel that he
can play. So what what would be wrong? Would Steal at right tackle, Tyrn Smith at left tackle, Tyler Smith at guard and then beyondish In Martin, and those are my starting five because I thought Tyler Smith for what little work he got after training camp, after Tyron Smith got hurt and they moved him to tackle when he played guard, I thought he was fine, and so he's my guard. If Tyrant Smith is still capable of playing
left tackle. Now, no one has suggested that, right. Everybody keeps saying Steals gonna be the swing guy, or he's gonna be, you know, maybe be the guard. He was my best run blocker until he got hurt. And look what happened to the running game after he left in those last four or five games. Yeah, they struggled. So to me, if Tyrn Smith is capable of playing at the level he has played back at left tackle, he's
my left tackle. Tyren Steals my right tackle, and Tyler Smith goes to guard for at least one more year, what would be wrong with that? I'll tell you what, though, Spags. Whenever Steel comes back, I learned a big lesson last year with a gallop. You know, he came back, but he wasn't ready. You know, he really he came back, but he wasn't ready. He wouldn't he didn't have a good foundation under him the entire season, and it really hurt us during the season. I'm looking at got hurt.
He got hurt in January. I don't I don't care when he got hurt. I get it, I get it. I'm just saying I hope that when he does come back, he has all the confidence in the world on that that that body part he has to because you know, you start putting somebody out there who's got they have a lot of guts, but they just don't have quite habit. That was a big lesson learned last year. I don't care when he comes back. I do get what you're saying, he's gonna have more time, But I don't care when
he comes back. He's got to be But here's the other. Here's the other deal. Still doesn't have to run a twenty yard out five yards from him. Yeah, that sounds easy that you get that guy in front of you, but it's what my my scenario is contingent on him being ready to play. That's that's my point. And I don't know that you can just count on that, right. But they keep saying he's ahead of schedule. Well, that's fine,
he's ahead of schedule. But schedule is scheduled. Uh, and you would and I don't know that he would be ready to start training camp, which would start what third fourth week in July. Well that's only seven months, So all right, my bigger concern go ahead, making No. I was just gonna say that's that's my concern on my scenario there that no one seems to want to, uh, you know, point out because they well they get they need a guard. Well, if they need a guard, they've
got a guard if everything plays out right. My bigger concern when it comes to the offensive line is not this season, it's next season. Who are your tackles going to be next season? And who who's your center? And who's your left guard next season? Why do you ask that? Because Tyrant Smith is where he is in his career, right, is he gonna we don't? He's right, We gotta every year got something. Yeah, well, and we got to think that. Okay, he's a lot closer to the end than he was
in the beginning. Okay, Terrence Steele is a free agent next year, Tyler Badish is a free agent. The starting center is a free agent next year. And right now, you got a hold at guard too. So there are of those five starters, Mickey, that you have penciled in for this year, three of them are uncertain for next year on this team. And so I think when you're looking at the draft, you have to you have to
have a four to five year window in mind. Where is this team going to be a year from now, two years from now at that position, And so you can paint a picture here that there is a real need on the offensive line in this draft. Terrence Steele, how let's say he comes back and has a good year this year, what's his salary demand going to be next year? Washington just signed a offensive tackle from Kansas City, Andrew Wiley, three years, twenty four million dollars eight million
dollars a year. The tackles that went off the board this year that made big money. Kansas City signed Juwan Taylor from Jacksonville four years, eighty million, sixty million guaranteed. Orlando Brown went from Kansas City to Cincinnati four year, sixty four million with a thirty one million dollars signing bonus. Will Terrence Steele be somewhere between the eight million dollars a year and the twenty million dollars a year and
kind of the Cowboys afford that next year. All right, so that's what you're looking that's what you're looking at it steel, and then you've got two other spots interior. Yeah, eight for sure. So you don't have to have a first round pick in every spot on the offractive wine. So I'll say what I said last year. Find me a tackle that can play guard in the interim until he's ready to, which is what they did last year. Don't draft a guard. Well you can do you're changing.
You said no one would draft of guard. That's what you said. That's real close to you. I remember this conversation. Are they okay? How are they near the situation they were ten years ago when they took Tyring Smith in the first round top ten pick in twenty eleven, and then in twenty thirteen was it Travis Frederick and then twenty fourteen Zach Martin? All Right, you just took Tyler Smith in twenty twenty two. How close are they to spending a couple of more first round draft picks or
was that the wrong approach to take ten years ago? No, I'm saying, but you don't have to do everything in the first round. That then they had nothing to work with. They were they were toast. That's why twenty ten happened. Right, So, you feel like they've got they've got more to work with now in that offensive line than what they had to the Pro Bowl this year. By the way, Tyler went to the Pro Bowl, right, right, So, and he's a free agent next year. Well, you got a signal
to me, that's more that. To me, that's crucial when you're talking about the center. You know, every everyone else may may block better, you know, they may fit very well, they may dominate. But when you have a center that you're accustomed to, to me, that's crucial. And oh, by the way, oh by the way, as we're talking about these offensive linemen, Zack Martin turns thirty three in November, but no one, nobody knows that, no one even no
one cares because he doesn't show it. He doesn't. That's right. My point is, you don't take a guard in the first Oh stop, see that is what you said last year. That's that's right. Go look at Tyler Smith's draft bio. It said, O, t okay, you know you know what I say. If Zack Martin is there at the twenty sixth pick in the first round. Take Zach Martin. Hello, best player available, that's right. Best. I think it has a lot to do with the quality of the player
across the board. That's where the mistakes are made when you take a defensive end because I got to get a defensive end. Bags is very judgmental. That's his problem. No, here's the deal. They didn't go into the draft thinking they were gonna take Zack Martin, right. They wanted the linebacker Ryan and Pittsburgh took him the point at the pick before him, and they basically said, uh, we're not taking the knucklehead quarterback from A and M. You know,
we'll just take a guard. And everybody was up in arms. Right if you remember Everson, were you up in arms? They didn't take Johnny Man's up in arms? I could not believe it. I don't even know he's talking about. He weighs. He now no one cares. He's tried every possible league that below the NFL. Right, and he steals all right, we speaking at quarterbacks. Where would you like to take a quarterback in this draft or would you like to Well, if I take one, he's got to
be better than Will Greer. So fifth round, sixth round, somewhere there, third day, so you would not. But he's got to be better than Will Greer. You know that. That's a that's a that's a that's a wide bar spad because Will Greer could be if amazing at one moment and they just be amazingly bad another moment. So if I'm taking a quarterback, I'm taking I'm one. I'm gonna take a quarterback who within two to three years is better than Cooper Rush. Yeah, but I know your point.
You you're taking a quarterback, it's gonna be on your your fifty three man roster. So he's gonna be ahead of Will Greer. Yes, absolutely, that's right. I got I gotta vote he's better than Cooper Run. I got a quarterback that the mid mid round quarterback that I like, I'm intrigued by out of Hebrew in high school and the University of Houston named Clayton Tune. Take a look at him before. Oh no, I've seen him play. Okay, So what do you think of clay Yeah, I think
he's awfully good stout. Now it's gonna be interesting CEO. Now he's visiting like seven or eight teams reportedly, and so he may be long gone before cowboys would be interested. And maybe I don't know, we'll see he's gone third round fifteen. If you got seven or eight teams looking at him, he could be Yeah, that's a little high. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's high for him right, high for the cowboy exactly. That's I know what you're saying. Yeah,
all right, I've been told, I've been told. We got to get out of here. I want to say something. This month is autism month, right, have a nephew that's artistic. So yesterday we couldn't find anywhere to have a picnic. H White White Lake was crazy. So we went to Hamilton Park we grew up. Oh man, it was so cool. We went all the way back down there and just just like it used to be, you know where I
learned to play tennis with my sister and all that. Well. Anyway, we h had all these shirts on that I'm wearing now. I took a picture of it so you could kind of see it better. I guess here says we were blue for Crew. Crew was two years old. He's artistic, he's got great parents. My nephew Jordan and his his his white feel they are they're they're right. They said we were blue for crew artistic awareness except understand and love, and that's what they give that kid every day. Such
a cool young man. Uh Okay, he's two years old and he's doing just fine. But you gotta keep up with him. You gotta keep up with him. So we had a good time with all the kids down there, and really the whole family back at Hamilton Park. We'll all beginning, all right, very cool. I wanted to just let my my nephew and my niece know that I was gonna do this for them, and so yeah, it all right, saying let me get that. He's gonna love his uncle Everson, right, Huh, Uncle Everson's gonna love him.
That's right, all right, Mickey. Hopefully you'll be back in studio next Monday. You'll see my beautiful face next Monday. Okay, be aware of that, and we will see you coming next Monday. I am here, Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.