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Mick Shots: About Time

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The guys made up for lost time, their previous podcast the Monday before the Super Bowl. That means they covered Hall of Fame selections, the Super Bowl, the plays that doomed the Bengals and point out how the Cowboys can restructure contracts to create salary cap space yet keep their star players.

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The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Boys. This is Mick Shot screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys Half now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and Nicky Spagnola. And all of a sudden, it's Thursday at eleven thirty and it's time for another edition of mix Shots. You know what this man to get here and not all of a sudden. It took a man. I see you guys, since man forever, hasn't it super Bowl?

It's wait, wait before the super Bowl. I tried and I can't remember. Who got the picks right for the Super Bowl. We didn't. I got the Rams, but I didn't get the matchup. I didn't get the matchup. Yeah, but I did. I think I had the Rams, although I was tugging, tugging on the Bengals, so I was right. Oh, I know, I remember, now, I remember now, Yeah, we picked the Rams and then you convinced me to take the Bengals. No, yeah, we picked I do right at

the end of the show that because mixing Joe mixing. Okay, I said, okay, I'll take the Bengals. I was wondering what was what was mixing at the end of the game. Why they have Perryn? Yeah, y, I don't know why on third and one put him put the big guy in there. Huh that's and then also challenge well, they couldn't. Probably didn't have time to challenge the spot. It was

a bad spot. I made a difference. I thought down I thought it was the best fight because on fourth down, I'm sitting there, do not throw the ball, do not throw the ball, and he tried to throw the ball. Okay, So how good of a driveway was it to give the Rams the league seventy five yard drive away? Spectacular one spectacular? The flags was exactly That's why I didn't I didn't get man. But if you they only had

thrown they were getting stopped and then they came to flags. Yeah, they only had called four penalties to that point, and then they called if you count the ones that got offset that didn't count in the total, there was two there and two more or four within a three play. It was like afterwards on all the studio shows, they're talking about what the great drive it was, and one of the great drives in Super Bowl history, and as I'm watching it, I'm going, okay, now they get another shot.

You know, they get down inside the red at the end of Super Bows. I mean, think about it. If they don't, if they don't throw that tikie tack hold on third down, it's fourth down right right. And if they don't call the roughing penalty in the end zone, that's a hold. And all of a sudden, now it's first and goal at the fourteen, not the four And it's like, what happened? They they they they they they they swallowed their whistle, their flags or whatever the whole

game and then all of a sudden boom. Let's look at the NBA totally different. You have to almost the other way around, right to get a call at the end of the game, even shooting. I watch the game last night, Curry fouled the guy while he was shooting. The three of the three ended up winning the game, But that was an a one as well. They didn't even call it. If he were to miss it, that would not have been a call. NBA will swallow their whistles and they all especially the last minute of a ball,

and if they wanted to be Tickie Tack. On the one play during the drive, there was a false start right everybody moved but the center and they didn't call anything, but then they call you know, I get it. The hold the guy's hands were on. He did not imp that difference right then. His hands were there, but it wasn't like you can put the receiver has an opportunity to put his hands on you as he's approaching you. He doesn't necessarily push off, but he's going to offer

resistance to get away from you. So that could always be construed as a push off of making contact. So you have the ability on the right as a cornerback, end wide receiver to make contact with the opposition. When Zach Taylor had the courage to go back and watch that, and I'm sure when he saw those plays, I bet he came out of his skin because you can't see, you know, from the board, your sideline as it as

it was happening. I felt there are so many great finishes in this postseason, okay, and with all the walk off field goals and all that, it felt like to me they were trying to create a scenario where we'll have a walk off field goal in the Super Bowl, and the only way that would happen would be the Rams take the lead and okay, and then Cincinnetti gets gets an opportunity or whatever. Uh, Aaron Donald was like

even order to get it to overtime. Whatever. And then and then Aaron Donald took matters into his own hand. Yeah no, there's no there's no walk off, he said. He sprinted out. He was the first one on the field when it was time. I could just see him, Michael Parsons sprint going out there, like, come on, guys, like a Bill Bates used to make us man in practice every time he'd be the only white guy in our group, went from group to group like, hey man, chill, No,

we're not chilling today. Aaron Donald was not chilling today. And you know what, when I U when I got a chance to go back and and look at those two plays that Donald made. It's like the third down play when he stopped p Ryan. He just destroyed Bro, He just destroyed I couldn't I stopped talking about that. That that guard and that guy's terrible, like the whole playoffs and seventy seven having identity. Don't say that he's a local kid. He's terrible. From Garland. I don't know

how he you know why you're saying that. You know why I make you saying that? Why you know where identity went to college Kansas. Well that's I didn't know that. That That tells it all right there, right, I think that kid might be related to me. How do you get trying He's from Garland. The Walls families all from Garland years right, How do you get anything that bad? It's like he he not only beat him, he threw him into p Ryan and then grabbed him from behind. Right.

I've never seen anyone stop someone from behind who call him back without help from someone in front of the running back. It's like he it was like he was a hook when you get a bad ye off stage right, just the way he just kind of hooked him back, but he grabbed him and pulled him back. That was one of the more you like. It was like the Gong show. Well then went off and he's not going one step further. And then on on fourth down. I finally went back and looked at it. They moved Donald

to the other side. Right, So the the tackle over there, I think it's Quentin Spain was the left left guard. Yes, right, So he's going to have help from the center. So all you gotta do is set up to the outside right to make sure you push him in. He gets beat to the outside and here's the center. He's all right there, ready to help, right, and there ain't nobody

coming right. Eddie gets beat how And then what I didn't realize is that they were gonna try to run a slant right to the wide receiver um T Higgins, and the safety came off the tight end Uzama and to double so they couldn't throw the slant. Usama was wide open. He couldn't get it there right. But then the other thing I didn't realize that if he had time on the right side, Ramsey fell down at the

thirty yard line. It's a walk in touchdown, right, And he didn't have time because there's Donald swinging him around. And I wanted to see, you know, I saw it live where the you know, the Desperation Eve landed in the vicinity of p Ryan. I wanted to see how close it was and if if you dive for it, is there a possibility of catching it. But they never showed a replay of the end of the play. They all just showed they focused so much on Donald and I never got to see the replay of where did

the ball wind up? How far away from p Ryan? That's what it looked like to me because I didn't realize like a Cowboys loss. Right, Yes, that's what it sounds. Yes, And I went back and played that a couple of times and I'm looked where the ball landed, and it

was almost like, did he decided? I think so. I don't think he saw it, you know, because he decided that he's going down it's a sack, right, And then the ball was Yeah, if he dove for it, there's a chance chance he would have added it would have been a first down. It was far enough. You hate those kind of right where if it's mixing, then might he might be able to make that? But isn't it?

But the indicative thing is somewhere along the line in the playoffs, whatever your weakness is gets exposed in the end, and their ability to protect Burrow all year, right, it came back seven sacks in the game, right tackles for losses. Uh, and then the last two plays destroyed because their offensive line wasn't good enough and that was the bottom line, and Aaron Donald Boy's should I got my vote and I didn't have? You don't know. Did you have him as the MVP for the last play? No, I think

for the last two plays he gets it. But the voting happens before the last Yes, I know, I know, which is ridiculous, stupid. That is so great. It's going back in the day now. I mean, I don't know with COVID what the I was all done by zoom all the postgame interviews right, there was no face to

face contact between the meeting. So all right, let's make a COVID provision here we wait on our MVP voting to the end of the game, because prior you would they would have to cast their ballots basically by the two minute warning, so that the scribes can get down to the locker room and get in position to get

postgame interviews. Are you ascribe? And then that sounds like a and then the only and then when the when the pool report, when the pullporter, the pool reporter went down for the interview with the head official Tilbert, the only thing he asked him was about the face mask that didn't get called on. He was beating anyway, he was beating anyway, exactly. Sorry, I mean, you know what I mean. I'm dB love Rams and he's a baller. He was beaten almost all game long. It was not

it was talking about getting exposed. You know, he's a great defensive back, but sometimes his impact is better at safety because he's able to really make things happen a lot easier. He's able to recognize thing. But when it comes to covering one on one. First of all, the first player to chase the bomb to Chase were almost scored. You know, of course, hey man, I've got beating, No

big deal. One thing, you know, when you're at the mid when you're close to midfield and they line up a speech of on your end, it's a play action and we're going deep, we're going for the end zone. Tom Brady does it all the time. We talked about he's not exactly, he's not. We all know this, and Rams he knows this. So I was very surprised that he was lulled to sleep. Not even a good move by Chase. He really just ran around him. And you know, uh, Ramsey doesn't have the back pedal. If he had the

back pedal, then he would have stayed in position. But for some reason he stopped moving his feet. But mentally, you have to know I'm gonna be You're gonna have to beat me deep on this one. Okay, I'm sorry. You're gonna have to be be sure on thisten because I'm gonna be as deep as I can be. Fifty yard line. They're going to the end zone. If I'm not mistaken. It was first a second down, and so all of that just screams look for the end zone,

look for the deep pass. And for Somebodason, mentally, he just didn't have it together. And like I said, he was beaten not just on that play, but he was beaten on the play where he grabbed his face. Math didn't really matter. And he's a good actor too, by the way, because he knew that hand hit his face and didn't you know, hit his face and he was I think we've seen him. Did he do that against the Cowboys? Yeah, Michael Gallant, that's right, he went deep

on him. He was even by Michael Gallop, right, he created space, right, push off, didn't extend, but he just you know, and then he didn't all do yeah, and he did. He did the face and they went for it. Yes, in AT and T stadiums. Right, that's absolutely I remember that they gave it to him. I love Everson getting on the cornerback and Mickey was about to get on the pool reporter, weren't you. Oh no, that's the only that's the only answer we got was on that play, right,

There was nothing else asked. Yeah, that's what I love that. See, you're jumping on Jalt. Vicky's jumping on the poll reporter because he didn't asking the good questions. He didn't ask any questionss I never stopped Mickey. Mickey wanted to be that pool reporter, right, Huh, you've been in that position before, right, quest And I did the same thing he did. I threw up my hands and say, I give here the question. We ain't getting anything here, Matthew Staff. Well, hall of fair.

I'll give him. I'll give him credit for you know, being able to you know, what do you do about something like I mean, guys with Detroit for twelve years. I mean when you're saddled with a franchise like that for twelve years, and you know he was number one picking the draft. He's so I saw, No, I'm saying that too long. He has some chances to do batter, you know, I get out like he had a bunch of bombs on this team either and some of the players with didn't he didn't. It was pretty good. I

mean we bombs, guys. Was he the only good player on the team. I mean, man, I'm sure he's former team basic not not liking this at all, you know, seeing that I saw before the game. They had it was NFL dot com. They had a list of the sixty ranking the sixty five super Bowl winning quarterbacks, right, and they had their records in the Super Bowl, but it was for a career sixty five winning quarterbacks, that's what they said. Six we've only had fifty well how

many what we've had fifty six super Bowls? But they had sixty five listing maybe just the quarterbacks played in the Super Bowl. Well, I mean the quarterbacks they played in multiple anyway, whatever, I mean, seven of them are, seven of them are Brady, right, just seven quarterbacks lost that might not have been in the anyway. Aikman was fifteenth, all right, among Super Bowl quarterbacks. Yeah, and this is on their careers or how they played in the past season.

Originally I thought it was how they just played in the Super Bowl. Just in the Super Bowl. They had their records for the Super Bowls, right, Aikman had the He tied for the third most wins. He was number fifteen. There was two guys. There was two guys with four Montana and Bradshaw and then Brady was first. So how did he end up number fifteen? Well? I did, And then it said it it was a career. You didn't

let me finish. I said, it was the career. It was the career, okay, But they chose those guys and he was fifteenth. Right, he was behind fran Tarkenton. What he was behind Ben Athlisberger. Um, I just saw all this stuff, and I said fifteenth in the comment was his peak was too short and they only gave him up to ninety six. They didn't include ninety eight ninety nine when they went to the playoffs. Right, Steve Young

was ahead of them. Steve Young didn't start as many years as Troy did, and he only won one Super Bowl. And I was like, what does this guy doing fifteenth? Who wrote this? Uh? Greg Rosenthal with two gees and Greg m so anyway, interesting, I thought, So you need to come up with your own Yeah, I should uh huh, and then where we just have a convoluted system and that the eightment efficiency ratings, and he'll be number one. And they were, they were, they were promoting the Mannings

because they each won two Super Bowls. And I said, well, Troy one three, all right, where was Eli? Right? I was just gonna ask that he was he was ahead of Troy. Oh, there's no way. Yeah, he and Peyton both. So yeah, I had to find the parameters in this thing. It's just it doesn't make any sense. And no, it doesn't look fact, I've got to look up. I've got

my list, I left it upstairs. Bells gonna take off, I'm gonna I'm gonna look it up, and I'm gonna have more information on this coming up shortly here and Mickey, I see low and behold, your legal pad is full of notes once again. This way man Everson getting on

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You did it last week. Okay, you weren't paying close enough attention because you were remotely joining us last week. How was How was your week? Your super Bowler experience? Good? It was good. I got the hicck out of there on Saturday, so that was in you. I saw Sunday night on the street. That was No. I was in another la. I was in Louisiana. Oh yeah, me and the wife when in Louisiana went to a little casino,

had a little fun and had a little appearance. I was with Dalton Hilliard, yeah, Willie Rolf remember that, and doctor Doom from Jackson State, Robert Brazil. We were all there, uh, just kind of signing off that we actually doing the Super Bowl watching party type thing. And it's so funny. I was trying to, you know, watch the play and down the play. No, we were actually in a kinder which is down by Lake Charles. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was a heck of a job. By the way, is you could just feel yourself going down to the bottom I mean, man, you feel it, but now it was it was a it was a good game, and at the end there are certain people in there that really care about what happens in the game. Yeah, but when you're talking about gamblers, yeah, that's all they were. They would give a Craples winning. So that now they want the all the graphs. So now they're in line. I'm still trying to watch the game because it's like

two minutes left. Well I didn't make you know, you you didn't get your numbers, so you're like, hey, I want all the graph right now, book, can you wait because the game's on. So yeah, that was kind of a dilemma. But the long, long time ago, I was in Lake Tahoe skiing and I had well I found out, but I had sprained my ACL, I mean my MCL. So I took the day off, I know. And so I took the day off, and it was during the NCAA basketball tournament, right, so I went into the casino

to watch all the games. Right, I'd never seen more miserable people in my entire life watching a basketball tournament because all they were worried about was the spread, right, didn't matter who won, and so every possession they were yelling and screaming at whatever happened. And then when it got down to the close, the team that they picked to win but wasn't covering the spread, now they're churing for the other team to get it in overtime so

they can to cover the spread. It was unbelievable. Yeah, that's an amazing experience. And you get your Grambling sweatshirt on so um on board with the new offensive coordinator. I don't know about that one. I'm gonna be hitted down the game, I saw, I thought. So they hired Briles Briles, Sriles, right, yea for the head coach they had. He called himself off. Now Arthur are going down there incognito. Now tell him again, who's the head coach? Jason, Hugh Jackson.

Hugh Jackson. Yeah, yeah, and yeah that's an all star. No, Hugh Jackson's a great higher. I told him. I texted him and let him know I'd be down there for the spring game, which is gonna be in April, and me and the guys, you know, we're already excited to bat. A few of the guys gonna come down there and take a look at it because it's so different. Now you got a new coach and he's gonna be a new environment. So of course you want to be kind of on the ground floor of that. But I didn't

know Author would be coming with him. Arthur. That's a tough one man. That's a tough one man. Authors. Author brings some baggage with him. They don't need that baggage at Grambling. I'm saying, come on, man, we got enough stuff we have to overcome. We I'm still I want that TV contract. Then we need a TV contract for ye and they they're doing something else with the NFTs, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, they've got a couple of nice little uh income streams. Good. That's really gonna

help the help the the program. All right, watch on your legal pad this week, Mickey, you got these were all the plays I had from the super Bowl. I don't know if you want to keep looking at the super Bowl. You know the touchdown to Odell Beckham before he got hurt somehow they leave him in single coverage out of the slot with with Hilton right, they were playing single safety high so it was a seventeen yard touchdown pass. You know where the safety was in single

high standing on the goal line. He was seventeen yards off the light of scrimmage, and he stood there until the play was almost over. Did no help to the poor guy coming out of it? Yeah, but the poor guy's gotta be outside right, and he hasn't because the inside the Yeah, the safety has the safety. Actually, that's a nice alignment when you look at it. First of all, they went running the ball very well, so why not just standing back there and be ready to just jump

anything that comes in between the hashes? So the but the slot defender, he lined up inside the hash and Beckham beat him outside. It pretty simple. That was happy for Beckham. But that guy, that's one of the easiest testdowns. And my other two things. My other two things were Cincinnati's first and ten at the eleven field goal. They were first and ten at the eighteen field goal. That's

eight points they left on the field. And they've been doing that all k field goal They've been doing one right. Nick Pherson was kind of their MVP during the playoffs, so comes back. That was That was the other couple of things that I had. Oh and and and the uh the guy that was inactive Hargrove comes off the bench to celebrate. Exception. Right, they're gonna get the ball to twenty. Now they get it at the ten, and it was it was pretty that he's waving his towel.

It's like, what are you doing? I said, well, he was inactive. He just wanted to get on the field. And so you talk about the coach watching film and then how he reacted these thing. He's gonna cut that guy. Okay. I mean if he wasn't good enough to play, I don't know if he was. It's not hard Grove. It's Hard Graves that is. Okay, they make him in active. I mean I'm just thinking in that coaching room. Okay, okay, all right, we don't have to use our Graves this week.

So okay, there's another coach across the room. He said, oh good, he can't hurt us this week. I could save my job. Good. Good, I don't have to put him in Good he's he's not gonna screw up this week. Good. I I can get through this way. Good. Oh. There he goes, sign you have to sign the staff man who let him be on the bench. See, put him in a suite. No one got room up. And then sweet but get bad coach has more of responsibilities. Now back,

that was John Blake, yes switcher. He did it in Oklahoma when they saw hide or do him here as the defensive line coach, he basically was the get back man. You gotta get back. And speaking of Odell, and it looks like he torres acl. Did they ever confirm that. Yeah, I didn't see a confirmation, but I think that's what happened. Check this out. So, uh, you know, everybody makes a big deal about them getting Odell and uh and so I looked at his uh, his salary and um, get

the right page here. So he basically, um was eight hundred Oh, I know what it was. So the play his playoff money. So he had basically a seven hundred thousand dollars like a veteran minimum minimum plus a signing bonus, right, and so he's like one point two five. So the playoff payouts this year for the being in the games.

If you're in the wild Card game, you got paid forty two thousand and five hundred Division game another forty two five the conference championship sixty five thousand, plus one hundred and fifty thousand. If you're in the Super Bowl, So he got another three hundred thousand dollars there. But which is what all the players got? Right for the incentive package with the Rams stuff player, I think you got not that much. You're talking about you, I mean I mean as a team, I mean per player, he

probably got three thousand. I don't not forty two. You know, maybe they didn't give you chi we got zack. You just no, you just playing for the incentive if you know, Gil would put that into the everybody had that in your own Yeah, but this came from the NFL. No, no, no, what you need to check on that? I think might oh something anything? We did not. So anyway, and when he when he signed his control, so happy when they win. When he signed his contract with the Rams, so this

is personal. If the Rams get a wildcard win, he gets five hundred thousand. Got that. If they got a division win seven hundred and fifty thousand, that's in addition to the five hundred right, and he gets a conference win seven hundred and fifty thousand, that's two millions. And if they win a Super Bowl one million, so three millions. So he made another three million dollars. And by the way, when everybody says, well, you know, they just basically stole him.

Well that three million is going to count against their captain in twenty twenty. Wow, Yeah, just so you don't just you know. And so that's why he had that ugly cry u ugly cry face. Well, and he had re established himself exactly in this league and then he tears his a CL which unfortunately, I mean not only as a marketable player, but for a contract, a new contract for this coming off season. And then he tears

his ACL, which means and it happens in February. So even on a even if it's a clean ACL where you're coming back as soon as possible, I mean even six months out, that's August before you're even so and Gallup's facing the same thing. Yeah, but his was, but they hadn't done the surgery until I think this week. Maybe they waited. It was let's all go down and now on al maybe last week it was it was first of February at least. Yeah, depending, you know, all

all injuries are not the same. And so if it's a an ACL where you can come back quicker, I mean they have, We've seen it before where guys have come back within three months and yeah, so Becca's in a great shape. You know, you know how this is very fine tone, well toned. I think he'll be okay. I think you know the way they've n with medicine now, medication and prostgious. Man, these guys are coming back off of ACL seemed like this. It's almost like the pitcher's elbow, right,

Tommy John. Sometimes they just go ahead and ahead, they go ahead and do it, and you'll be to strike exactly. Let's go ahead. Two years later you'll be good. Ye. And then the other thing I noticed gonna you know, everybody was given the RAMS credit for basically going all in, as they say, to win the thing. For von miller

Well and others. He only he only cost him from a salary standpoint seven hundred thousand dollars to play eight games because uh denver had to pay had already paid nine million of his nine point seven million dollars base salary, because he hadn't say it guaranteed. I didn't see what his if he had any and send him because they

just did. They just picked up. But but see what happened with O'Dell didn't he he just got cut right, So they had to sign him as a free agent, but he had already made that guaranteed money right right exactly. And so basically what Denver did is they paid nine million dollars to get a second and a third round

draft choice, because that's that's the price. That's the price that the Rams paid the second and third and Denver said, okay, I'll spend nine million dollars here to get two draft choices, right, yeah, absolutely. You know, in four in four playoff games, he ended it up with four sacks, fourteen tackles and two six tackles for a loss. Now that they won the Super Bowl, they can sit there and go, okay, it was worth it, right right. I thought they didn't get the staff for trade,

you know, give up. So now they're gonna be They're gonna be other teams that follow the lead of the Rams now, but you better win whether they better have the picks too. You have to have the picks, and you have to have the team that is ready right now. And trust me, they were a little shady and shaky there for just a second, which it was about week thirteen. Yeah, Matthew Stafford was having his uh Detroit dreams. I guess you might call it because he was throwing pick sixes.

You know, he threw a couple of pick sixes from week thirteen, I believe a week fourteen on out. It was two pick sixes, and he had got he had a mass about six interceptions at that time. And I remember telling you guys, my son comes to me and like, what's up with Matthew Stafford, you know, And well, and they'd lost Robert Woods, so they get Backham and then

they lost their tight end, bigs Higby. They were down to their third tight end by the way, and uh boy, the tighty is good because even the second string tighty was doing well and the third tighty end comes in doing well though strings, so they they ended up they have four picks in this coming draft, none in the top one, so none in the first, second or third round, right basically, yeah, all right, so let's bring it to the Cowboys. All right. We talk about okay, you have

to have to do what the Rams did. Okay, and I'm not talking quarterback, but other positions of need on a team. And you feel like, as I think the Cowboys feel like that they've got the nucleus here, all right, It is that a road that the Cowboys should think about. Where you are giving up draft picks to get veteran players who can is this team in a position now? But are you going to get veteran players number one on the cheap right? Because one point two, five and

seven hundred thousand they got those two guys. Now they paid dearly for staff. You're you're putting yourself in a position this is not a decision to be made at the outset of free agency, outside of but in a position where you are willing mid season trade deadline give up a second and a third. Now, obviously you got to start the season strong. Let's say you start the year like the Cowboys did this year six and one or whatever, you know, and now you're at the trade deadline.

Are you, as a philosophy, okay, would you give up a second and a third to acquire a von Miller to put you over the top? So von Miller just use him as an example. Are you bringing in von Miller for a second and a third when you already got DeMarcus Lawrence and Randy Gregory. So my question and I got that question, and it's like, Okay, what position are you picking up? Right? Because wide receiver already had your three. Now Gallup was hurt, but you knew he

was coming back. So you get Beckham. Where does he fit in right in in the scheme of things, I don't know. Think about it with the Cowboy Okay, let's just think about what the Cowboys this this year. Think about the Cowboys this year if they had traded a second and a third for von Miller. Okay, okay, you got Parsons, all right, you get to that San Francisco game and all right, Parsons basically had to play linebacker. No,

he needs to play right exactly. And so what if you had in a rotation you had von Miller and them in there? Yeah, and would have would have made a difference for the Cowboys. And I don't know that it would because of the opponent, which in the run game that the stressed, you know, just because of the matchup.

It could have created the issue, you know, but against Let's say if they draw, they drew, what Arizona did, which was there, what the Rams did, which was Arizona in the first round, and you got pass rushers like that. I think it depends on the position. Would you pay him second and the third for an offensive lineman. And see, that's what I was going to say, because that's what easier.

Is it easier at linebacker to come in with a mist making impact, making impact as opposed to an offensive lineman who's coming in, Can he make that same impact no matter? You know, left side, right side, tackle? Center? You know what is that? Is it more difficult to make an impact from an offensive lineman? Well, and it's well, it's more tangible to see. Okay, von Miller got two sacks in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he made a difference.

Now you get a Pro Bowl caliber left tackle to fill in for an injured Tyring Smith, Well, they just rush on the other side, and you don't have that, even with the analytics, you don't have the same tangible numbers that. Okay, that's the difference you have to it has to be a formula to well, okay, if you have an Aaron Donald inside, yeah, that makes it a lot easier for von Miller to come in and do some work. Yeah, because now he's capitalizing off of off

of Aaron Donald. So if we had an offensive lineman who we knew was solid, Let's say let's say Tyman wasn't hooked and you said, Okay, Tyman's gonna handle his business over here. We need to show up the other tackle. Now. He was coming over for the other tackle then, and it made a big difference. What do you think of a passing situation and you've got on the field rushing the passer, Michael Parsons, DeMarcus Lawrence, Randy Gregory and Von Miller. If I if I can, if I can get him

to throw the foot, it's third and ten. Yeah, it's third and ten, little bit, and okay, we're coming, We're giving We're rushing four because I'm moving. These are the four we're rushing. We're rushing Parsons and Lawrence from inside and Gregory and Miller on the outside, or yeah you like that or yeah either yeah, whatever, however you want to do it, and you can hold the team to twenty points instead of twenty three. So it would it would How can I get a defensive tackle to help me?

With one hundred and sixty seven yards rush stands? Impact would have been from the rush standpoint, we didn't necessarily need the pressure. We needed to show something about a Shan Robinson. You like Ashan Robinson the defensive end, for yes, for the Rams a foot worth arms, he was balling. He and he's a defensive tackle. I mean the run three four. He's a people all season. He's an interior. Colins Worth kept saying in the game, oh ay, Sean

Robinson in Okay, don't run the football. And he's so quick right for that size, by the way, and the other thing I've discovered about him because we went and interviewed his high school coaches and teachers and stuff. A quality, quality human being, a great high character guy. You know, he goes to Alabama and whatever. And so it gets back to my big green notebook and looking for those guys who you can trust, that are reliable, who are

high character guys. How about Andrew Whitworth for that for the Rams, the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year. That's speech, that speech that he gave last week. I mean, you have those type guys on your team as your nucleus, and you're going you have a chance to go in places. Now you'll say, well where it was Cincinnati for eleven years. They didn't go anywhere. But you know what in my in my well put that aside. Yeah, I went I went to my big Now he was with Detroit for

four years and there you go anywhere. Then he gets to the Rams, just like Stafford. I went to my big green brain. Right. And when I was watching Donald, and I remembered seeing him at the Senior Bowl, right, and everybody was talking about this kid from pitt undersize too short, right, probably has short arms, And I'm watching him practice, and it was it was a weird thing because the only person who could block him sometimes was Zack Martin. And the only guy that could block him

was Zack Martin, right, and and Donald. The only guy that Zack Martin couldn't block was Donald. So seeing those guys one on one in that scene unbelievable. And I'm sitting there and going, wow, this is something. And then both of them gonna end up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, right, and one of them has a Super Bowl ring. Yes, all right, Cowboys need to work on theirs. And so when we come back here on mix shots, yes, let's look ahead to Cowboys' needs, because

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learning stuff like wait a minute. Body, come on, Okay, we're talking Hall of Fame. Okay, we're talking Hall of Fame. Man, No, I'm bitching about Hall of Fame. We were talking about Hall of Fame in the break, So now let's talk about Hall of Fame on the podcast. Well and go ahead, Mickey, you could name the five guys there? You got them? Oh yes, have them right here? And all right? Getting in?

Were la la la la la, Sam Mills? All right, No, I'm doing in an order of their year of eligibility, okay, and his last year of eligibility, Sam Mills gets in, twentieth year gets in, all right, Leroy Butler his fifteenth year of eligibility, gets in, Tony Boselli his fifteenth year of eligibility in, Bryant Young his tenth year of eligibility gets in. And by the way, those are the four who were waiting the longest out of the finalist this year?

Were those four right there? Yeah? Brian Young tenth year I went to my high school, by the way, Oh, there you go. And then um, who was the fifth? Gay? I can't read my own writing, did you do? Richard Seymour. Seymour was in his fifth year of eligibility, but he would do it was the fourth time he was a finalist. So he's that's from Patriots, Yes, yes, yes. And then Cliff Branch got in as the senior uh the late he passed away, and then Dick Vermill got in as

a contributor or coach whatever. They Art McNally. Oh, by the way, so you saw how they announced him, right, They had somebody from the team that's in the h Pro Football Hall of Fame present Brett Farve did Leroy Butler, Steve Young did Bryant Young, Ricky Jackson did Sam Mills, uh Ty Law did Richard Seymour. And the next guy to announce was Emmett Smith. So I said, oh, DeMarcus Ware and I wrote it down on my shoe right here you could see it. Edie goes Art McNally, and

I'm going Art McNally. He was the old official. Yes, I know it is, but I'm trying to figure out the connection between mcause he's the one that came up with the idea of the Emmett helmet rule. Oh I'm thinking they had gotten Emmett maybe well, no, they already knew who was in, right, But when they got Emmett

up there and said, okay, he's gonna introduce DeMarcus Ware right. No, we ran out and they only got five of the modern day and then and then when they got to Tony Boselli, Jacksonville doesn't have anybody in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so they got the guy that they went up against it and it ended up being Bruce Smith, so they wouldn't butted heads against each other. And even vermil was clear Warner right, So it was like, okay,

they did a switching bait there now. But what they did, and you mentioned how many years these guys have been in there, like Sam Mills was that was his funniest year. If if if he doesn't get in, he's in. He's in the seniors category. Oh well, and guess yes, okay, that's a long lie. Yes, you know, good good luck to tell you that, buddy. So I was because they were they were decided. They know, they know to take care of those seniors the next Centennials celebration. They know DeMarcus,

they know where it's gonna get in. Right, I'll still be here. We'll see if we're still doing shot. They'll do that. The bi centenial celebration. You'll get in Everson get mad about myself. I told a couple of weeks ago, man, and I just I didn't know, because you guys have told me he had been up so many times. So we were talking about something else, about another pearance or something, and I just kind of talked to him about it, like, Man, I didn't know. I just felt so bad for him.

And of course at the time I talked to him, then he had been eliminated again from from this year's of running. It's just it just makes zero sense to me. And then you start talking about by Butler. I mean not once again. These are good players, right, damn there not knocking knocking, But I mean, why why there's there? Includes why why aren't Why is this cowboy thing? It feels like there's this that they're not including a lot of our guys that really deserve to be in there.

You start talking about all these other defensive linem But then of course I'm gonna go to Harvey Morton. You know, you started talking about safeties, man, Cowboys Gay had so many damn good safeties. It's ridiculous. You're talking about Woody number one. And then I mean, come on, man, it's just the fact that these things are taking so long, and once again it kind of makes me upset that the Cowboys kind of did them to themselves, especially the

old regime. Well here's here's the in the Ring of Honor. The interesting thing. Here's the interesting thing when you compared Darren Woodson and Leroy Butler is because their careers happened at the same time, basically, right, you know, I think Butler was in maybe one year earlier. Yeah, he's was ninety one, uh ninety is when he came into the league, and so, uh so they mirror each other as far

as their careers go. And okay, so Butler was a one time Super Bowl champion, four time First Team All Pro ninety three, ninety six, nine seven, ninety eight, and four time Pro Bowler, and he was on the All Decade Team. Okay, Woody, three time Super Bowl champion, four time first Team All Pro nine, ninety six, and ninety eight. Basically, those are your two safety side by side on the first team All Pro team. Okay, five time Pro bowler, so one more Pro Bowl. For some reason, wood He's

not on the All Decade Team. Okay, and Butler was all right, And here's where it gets down to career stats. Okay, let's say interceptions. Butler had nine hundred eighty nine tackles Woody Cowboys all time leading tackler one thousand, three hundred and fifty. Okay, let's put an asterisk there because how many good players the Cowboys have had over the years on their defense and he's still the leading thirteen hundred and fifty tackles. Okay, all right, Sacks Butler had twenty

and a half and eleven for Woody. Okay, that's how are you? How you using them? What he's covering the slot, covering Jerry Rice over, that's stating there, right, Yeah, no, there's Butler had to cover Jerry Rice right, which is zero. And so to your point, interceptions you can't cover like Woody. Interceptions thirty eight for Butler and wood He's got twenty three. And so that is the that is the stat that is that got Butler into the Hall of Fame. Yeah,

but see they keep moving the sticks. That's what makes me, Matt, Well, it's because you got this and I'm not talking about you, but that's how they explained it to us. You're moving the sticks were here. Well you didn't have it. Well you didn't win the Super Bowl. Yeah, well then you didn't do this. But okay, come on, man, stop moving it, you know, stop moving I can't I can't shoot them. That's the one. That's the one that bothered me because

where it's going to get in right? And I understood what they were doing, and they were cleaning up, but there was no reason. Don't be cleaning up just because you didn't clean up, you ain't clean up. Well, cleaned up enough, here's something enough. Now the problem might have where you're twenty years they were once again, mine was a different situation, always unique. But they never even you know, they never even putting me up, catboys, never putting me

up until the last year of eligibility. So mine was a true hell man, that was your last year, that was my last year. Tragedy there. So they're the one to clean that up because that's too much clean up, you know what I mean, that's a big oil spill. So you start talking about start you start talking about Woody. What what's up with Worthy? What's wrong with Woody? So what you're gonna wait till this fifteen or his last year of eligibility and put him in That is man.

This this this process is is crappy. Yeah, And to me and I know what happens. I always say the reporter should not be the ones to do this. I just have always believed that. But even if you have the players do it, then you're gonna have some issues with favoritism and depending on what school you went to and the conference that you went through and all that kind of stuff. So I get it, there's gonna be

some discrepancies. But I'd rather have the players do it regardless than have reporters doing it because they their bias comes from so many different angles, childhood, best team, the player that you like. You don't have to like a player to vote for him, and that's what they always stating that with me, Oh yeah, we like him, he was on our show. You it'd be interesting to see. So I think there's like forty eight voters. Maybe they've

increased it and it's a writer's broadcasters. There's some former NFL. I don't know if there's coaches on there or whatever, but it's a mixture, right. I would like to know when the voting went down, how many people voting actually saw you play. And that's my point because now it's turned over and I remember, remember your research. And I remember back in the day, the guy that was the columnists in Minneapolis, um forgot his first name, Hartman, long

time columnists, right Sid Sid. He hated the Cowboys. He would not vote for anybody. And to the hail Mary and it yeah and and and it wasn't a secret, right, it was known that he would not vote. Is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. I remember when I was up where we're trying to get sal. Uh. You know, people were trying to they were campaigning for me. So they talked to Sad. Thought, well, y'all say, I was not gonna

vote for me because yeah, Brion Dawkins got in from Philadelphia. Yeah, so you know, Sound's not gonna say voted for Dawkins. But you know, Dawkins got the Super Bowl with Denver if I'm not mistaken, correct, But but you know you got Sal still on the side. So yeah, I mean, it has nothing to do with I don't even know how to hell, but I didn't know Brian Dawkins was

up for the damn Hall of Baby. It's crazy. I'm out, Yeah, go ahead, we got, we got three, we never got to I don't know what the hell we were getting to be of what the next And by the way, I wanted to point this out because it's gonna be my column tomorrow, but you know, everybody's talking about how the Cowboys need to save money cap cut this person,

cut that person, cut that person. What they need to understand is what the Cowboys will end up doing is restructuring contracts to create salary cap And I'll just use one example before I go through everything, because they did

it last year. And when they signed Dac to the however many years it was, they put two voidable years at the end with no base salary, and the twenty twenty five season has already voided, and that was for them to restructure his first base salary and put five so they can spread out the restructure bonus over five years. And they built into the contract avoidable year in twenty twenty six. So this year he's got a twenty million

dollar base salary. They will restructure that down to probably I don't know, three or four million, at whatever the minimum is, and then they can pro rate that signing bonus as part of his that would have been his base salary over another five years, so they did it twice. They put those two voidable years in there, so they will create They will create probably with his contract somewhere around fourteen thirteen, fourteen million dollars million dollars by restructuring.

They can do that with DeMarcus Lawrence again if they choose to. They can do it with um Lale Collins, who by the way, has some uh guaranteed money in his base salary coming up right at the time. I think it's at the time or a couple of days after the league year starts. And then the same thing with Amari Cooper. Everybody want to cut them so they can save. You know, they're gonna end up with six million and dead money if they cut them. But who's

playing wide receiver for you? And he's the veteran wide receiver, right who's playing He's a veteran And they got to make that decision on the fifth day of the league year. So I think it comes to March twentieth somewhere around there, because I think the league year is sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty, right, So okay, on March twentieth, his base salary guarantees, so you would have to make that decision before number one, you don't know if you can resign

Michael Gallup. Number two, you don't know everybody that's going to be in free agency, which you would have to use the money you save to sign another wide receiver, and you certainly don't know if you can get a wide receiver high in the draft to take his place. So you got to have a leap of faith to say, Okay, we're gonna save this money here, but I've got one wide receiver I can count on. That's CD Lamb. Because not only is Michael Gallup unrestricted, Cedric Wilson's undrestricted, Noah

Brown's unrestricted, and Malik Turner is unrestricted. So you're four, five and sixth guy three, four, five, and six are all unrestricted. Now you're gonna have to spend something to

get a wide receiver or a high draft choice. Right, So is there a way in Cooper's contract where and you maybe answer this, I wasn't listening where you can lower his You can restructure it, okay, but he's only got two years left on his contract, so whatever you restructure, there's not as much room to pro rate it right. And the other thing about restructuring, everybody goes, well, yeah, now it's going to kill you later. Well not really, because if you look get what they did with DA's

last year. I think the restructure ended up being one point two five million over five years each of five years, right, But the salary CAP's going to go up immeasurably next year because the TV contract goes in, right, and then it'll continue to keep rising to absorb those restructures. Uh So, yeah, it's not like you're adding years to the contract. You're just adding restructure bonus to the contract. But you got to make sure you have years left and you got

to make sure. If I'm doing that, then this person's going to be here playing at that level that I would spend that money to keep. I don't think he's he's not that old. I don't think he's thirty. I think he maybe he's he came into Maybe he came in like a veteran. I'm looking it up real and see when you have when you have seven seventeenth, he will turn twenty eight, So he's twenty eight season. That's

a veteran wide receiver. You just can't take for granted, you know the things that he did, you know when things were going well, I don't know, you just don't. You can't discount that. And as long as you think he's healthy and you and your young wide receivers are unrestricted, so you got to be careful what you wish for, especially with him. But so if they were going to restructure, you might be able to get that cap hit down.

How five millions? Yeah? So like it because if million part of the restructure is going to go into this year, right and then and then how much does that put you on the hook for next year for him? Where if you wanted to move on next year, how much of it? Well whatever the right, I mean how much? Yeah, So it'd be a couple couple more million dollars if you can stop Michael Gallup from from you know, with these injuries, because he seemed to kind of get a

couple of them real tough. I think he's one of those guys as you look at the season when Dak was having issues during a particular ball game to a particular moment, Gallop was always that guy that kind of bailed him out. He was that guy that was able to go deep. I member a couple of times, Dak Dropping dives in because Gallop was down that sideline. He had beaten his man. That's a consistent thing for Gallup.

So put on your GM hat. Gallop's unrestricted, but he probably is not going to be able to be ready for training camp. I'm keeping him. How much would you pay him? I don't know how much I pay him, but whatever I have to pay to keep him, what would another team do? Or can I get him on a one year kind of prove it deal? He's already proven. Somebody's gonna he's already proven him, I know, but he's coming out. That's a young guy coming off of al

He's a young man. He's a young man. How much how much would you be willing Mickey um five to six with incentives and Potter the incentives has to be games played because who knows. I mean, we take for granted guys coming back from ACLS. Right, Oh yeah, it's just an ACL. Yeah. Well I don't necessarily take it for granted, but I'm not gonna give it that much weight to where I threw away a young man. Would

you agree? So if you were, say Green Bay, would you give him a five year forty million dollars deal. Probably Well, here's what you would probably be doing too. Because of his injury situation. He probably starts the season on pup, missing the first six games of the year. It's very good, agree with Yeah, so he would play eleven.

I mean, but you just go in knowing that we're gonna get him ready and we're not going to have him the first six games, but we're gonna have him for a basically, what is a full season for the last eleven regular for Cap Strap Cowboys? Can they make that bet? He's right with the guys, right, he is definitely worth it. Oh, I don't I agree with you. He can get. But what I'm sure the Cowboys are hoping and never be else out there is looking at well, he's coming off this al so damnam athletic man, now

I know, and he's reliable. Way you sell it to him is these seasons go by fast. Okay, make this amount now and you hit it. We're gonna play you start in week seven and you're gonna show that you're healthy and then you're gonna hit the jackbot jack bought next spring. Yeah, that's how you sell it to him. So all right, we're out of time. Were those are in the tough decisions that they've got to start making, And I can't wait to dive into them next week.

All Right, We're gonna make the decisions for them next week here on our next edition of Mick Shots. So Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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