The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is mick Shot screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot com and the official Dallas Cowboys apt Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and Nicky Spagnola. It's ten am on a Thursday here at the Star in Fresco. And you know what that means.
It's an hour and a half away from mix shots. No, it is an early edition of mix shots here inside the SWBC podcast studio because this is an OTA open to the media Thursday, and so that's why we're coming at you earlier than usual. Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and the star of the show show. Oh my god, have you ever been introduced the star of the show? The headline shocking. My headphones are cracking up. Oh I love that. Yeah, yeah,
very good. There. It looks like you're going to be outdoors today, yes, on a what will be a It will be a it's a first alert weather day tomorrow. It's gonna get so hot here in North Texas. I see triple digits, I think so. And it feels like temperature up around one hundred and six of the afternoon tomorrow. So they're finishing. That's the heathen decks, I think so. I think that's so they're finishing this OTA session just in time. That's right. It's only supposed to be like
ninety three maybe today. Okay, there you yeah, but that we're talking heathen decks. That's a whole. It feels great out there right now. Yeah, I'm looking at a hundred. Yeah, hundred Sunday. Welcome to Texas in June. Welcome to the Old Folks podcast. Yeah, talk about Okay, speaking of the weather, it is just in time because the high today's ninety two. The high tomorrow is one hundred and one. Saturday one
o two, Sunday one o two, Monday one hundred. I'm getting to the minicamp next week, okay, highs of ninety nine, ninety seven, and ninety six. Getting ready for Austin and training camp. They might be going indoors. They might be. And by the way, they do have a yeah, there isn't that's right. There is an OTA tomorrow and so that's the way the the heat is coming. But we're not out there tomorrow, so that doesn't count. So we can't meet tomorrow if we wanted to. Oh, I didn't
think there was tomorrow. There there is an number eight Chris set up with Nick. No cannot go with You're already attended one. You weren't supposed to be at. No. Right, he walks out. He gets special privilege. He acted like he set some sort of person wall franchise record or some Yeah, so he's got he's got those special problems taking of Trey Von digs Um. So they had the home run derby and uh, he said he They asked him whence the last time he swung a bat, and
he said, never, I go to beat never. It's like he said, he never played baseball, never played baseball. And so the first time up, yeah, he was like missing the ball. Very second time up he started hitting the ball over the faux fence for home runs, right, And it's like, God, I wish I was that kind of guy, just that guy never done this before. Don't and then don't even get me started on Michael Parsons. Yeah, that's right on four hundred, like out of the park. Here's
what happened, Everson. He gets there and uh, they take some batting they had, they had bats for them at batting practice whatever. He didn't like the feel of the bat, so he went out. He's senting somebody. Well, yeah, he's sent somebody to get him a five hundred dollar bat. He told the guy whoever was going to do it, go to Dicks and get the best give me, give me the best bat they have. And he found a five hundred dollars bat, right. And then he gets up
there and he hadn't played. He said he used to play baseball, but when he got to high school it was football and tracks. He didn't play baseball. Not only did he hit it over the makeshift fence for home runs, so probably two twenty five to fifty something like that, he hit it over the wall, right, and then he hit it out of the park. And where is this? This is? And what people, the amazing thing is is
no one's throwing ninety five miles an hour. Right. You got to supply the power yourself when they're throwing a BP live at your right. And he not only is he stepping into it, he's stepping in with both feet like he's moving his back foot forward a happy Gilmore, Yes, exactly. And he I told something that I said, I wish I knew his exit velocity. You know how they have an exit velocity? Now off the bat up and it's like he hit a combination the first time up to
get ten outs. Right, if you don't get the ball out of the infield or you miss or file, it's an out. Right. He hit eight home runs and four of them cleared the real fence, and I'm sitting there going are you using? So did he did he like? Did he like you know, like the happy gif? Did he like skip to it? You know? He ran into a couple? He did, And then when he hit it out of the park, he read her out the basis he had and then he was gonna do it again, and Dak was like, no, no, no, you we got
time here. You got to hit right and uh. And so when it's over, he ended up with the most home runs, uh thirteen, except he finished in third place. But he finished in third place because of the money. So Layton Vanderish on the money ball on the last that's like Josh Hamilton put on this great home run derby exhibition, but people don't remember he didn't win it. And so the last ball was worth four thousand dollars
for donations, right, and vander Ish hit that. So vander Ish ended up with like seventeen thousand, and Micah ended up with thirteen. But but so as story now, so as the story goes, when Mica said, oh, I can hit the ball all out of the park and all the and um who was saying it, Trey von no No CD said, he goes, all the vets were like, you can't do that. You're not going to hit it over the wall. And he goes, yes, I will. You
want to bet? So they all start betting, right and CD said the only people that were on his side was me and Trey. He goes, we thought he could do it. Yeah, he did it right, he did. He said he made eight thousand dollars. How damn they did? They doubt this guy. I would never doubt Michael Passes if he said he's gonna do so. When he did his interview, he goes, he goes, just to show you what a competitor guy on. He goes, I wanted to win, so I was going to get a good bat if
it meant spending five hundred dollars. I have a feeling he did not need the good bat, right, Yeah, he could have done it. Without the good bad And so somebody said, did you let other people use it? And he goes, well, yeah, sure. It's like, well it wasn't the bat, and it wasn't it was the guy and I wrote about it for this morning. It's like he just puts a smile on your face. You know, everything he does, everything he says, he just puts a smile
on your face. Well, I tell a smile like it on my faces every time I think about him going out to do the drop the hockey thing. And he just went out and dropped it. He's so cute. He was so cute. He's just like, hey, there you go. He said. So I didn't realize this. Evidently he did some sort of charity thing in Philadelphia and they did it with a softball, and he hit it four hundred feet the softball, And he said, I told these guys, I said, come on, I hit a softball four hundred feet.
This is a baseball. It's gonna go further. Sure enough, he hit one four hundred feet. Unbelievable. But they raised a heck of a lot of money for Salvation Army. Anthony Brown finished second, by the way, and the first time up he couldn't hit. He just couldn't see. If you don't take batting, you don't hit, it's hard to you know. His second time around, all of a sudden he starts stroking the ball at Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah.
So anyway, it was a good time. Uh and uh, That's what I came away with though from that is again it I want Michael Parsons in my room, right, I want Michael Parsons whatever. I don't care what we're doing, right, I'm picking him. So, you know what, it reminded me of when he was young. The first time somebody took him to go bowling, and he wasn't very good at it,
he said, so he went and bought a ball. He bought himself his own ball and went out there and was going to start practic because he lost to somebody. And he said, the guy at the bowling alley goes, okay, let me give you a few tips. So the guy gave him a few tips. He bought his ball, and all of a sudden, he's he's he's the best blood. Yeah, you know, and the other thing it reminded me of, and Bill might remember that, you guys might remember this when they had the first NBA All Star Game here
in Dallas nineteen eighty six. That was the first year they had the three point shooting contests and the dunk contest. Spud Webb ended up winning it. Well, the three point shooting contest. Larry Bird was one of the guys and I was covering this, so uh, he goes into the locker room and all the guys in there are going to shoot threes, are all in there, and he walks in. He goes, well, he goes, we know who's winning this, So I'm just looking to see who's second. That's what
he said. He who was getting second? Yeah, getting second? And he won with the little broken finger, the little crooked finger when he put that one up there. That was the last shot, right, and that was the moneyball, and he had a little broken finger, and they got up, they got into the final, he took his sweats off, they got into the final round. He made it to the finals with Craig Hodges, right. He buried twenty two threes in the final round to win it. So it
reminded me of that. Well, all right, that's it's great because we're talking about Michael. I want Michael on my team. Okay, I want Larry Bird on my team. Kay. Magic Johnson was another one, like, yes, I mean that's just uh. With the NBA Finals going on. You know, Magic's rookie year, he's twenty years old. It's Game six of the NBA Finals. In Game five, Koreem had scored forty points and he
sprains his ankle. And here's a twenty year old rookie who said, and they're going to Philadelphia playing Doctor Jay Darryl Dawkins and the Sixers in Game six of the NBA Finals, we need a center, Magic, And so Magic he plays center, and he scores forty two points with fifteen rebounds. But he went on that court knowing he's gonna win this basketball game. Yeah, Larry at home waiting, Okay, we're gonna be in the K seven. May let me get ready. Yeah, I'll take these. Michael shows up at
a pole run derby. He knows he's gonna win that home run. I mean those are Reggie Jackson in baseball. When he walked on the field, he knew he was gonna win that. You know, he's gonna hit three home runs in the World Series game and whatever. Not surprised at all when he did it right. Yeah, and so so all those Cowboys teams that you played on, Okay, who was the guy like that? That was the guy that Okay, we got this guy on our team. We
we got it. Throw a set. Only throw a set, man, I mean we we we forget about do us set, and we forget about how small he was. Ron used to tease him. He was barely five nine. At all times. He always tried to make himself bigger and heavier. He wore every pad that they that known to the NFL, and he still had the speed from from from standing still to the first step. He had to be the fastest because when you see him run, you always see people.
It's like so many people in his wake, you know, because they think they have the angle, and not many guys can out run an angle. That's how I'm making my living is it is catching guys on an angle. It wasn't the speed. It was I anticipated the angle and I'm gonna meet him up there, and they thought they were doing the same thing, and he just out runs the angle. You know, to see that over and over again. He was He was my Lebron, He was my Jordan. He was my guy you just look forward
to it. There was a guy in and at least one season in college who is that same type guy playing a different position. That was Vince Young at Texas. Yeah, you know where where. Okay, it didn't matter whether they fell behind Oklahoma State thirty to nothing in the first half.
They were gonna come back in that game. And it's gonna be Vince Young, you know, taking off, you know, dropped back the pass and then just taking off the gun off and then they're in the National Championship game and it comes down to the last play of the game and he just knew. Everybody in the building knew that. Okay, he's gonna drop back and then he's gonna take off and there's nobody's gonna catch him. They touch him. But that same air about him that Michael Parsons had it
the whole un der that I'm gonna win this. Yeah, you know he was. He is amazing and he's and he and then when he verbalizes it, right, it even makes you laugh even more. Right, it's like does he think of this stuff ahead? Right? You don't like the analysis? Yes, yeah, Like, okay, well I'm supposed to do that. I'm gonna hit home runs, and by god he did. It was amazing. But when you think about guys like Parson to be around that
kind of you know, greatness. First of all, you around a lot of great athletes here and players that are extremely accomplished, whether it's here and early on. But like I said, to know that you can you know that this is gonna happen. It's inevitable, this is gonna happening. That's gonna break it. I don't care how many times you bottle them up. You got to do it every time. And he really never bottled them up every time. Eventually he's gonna hit it. And it's so funny Tom look
forward to that. That's how he coached the game. Just let do us said, get it. Once he gets it, then we're gonna take over the momentum of the game. And it usually happened just like you know, and and the doorset thing. And if people don't understand what we're talking about, just go call up his highlights and and it reminded me every time when I see his highlights how fast he was, like instantly, but it wasn't just speed.
He couldn't maneuver as well, but he was fast and and and and it wasn't like he needed ten yards to get God did not. It was like instant, he didn't. I was like pushing the button on the game right, that's what's guided that zero to one hundred boom. He's already there. I'm like, wow, I just us sit on the sidelize that good. Now I'm glad to get some picks now because they're desperate. Didn't know that Dost's gonna break another one, So now we have to keep up
with that offense. And man, that's when Vandy's coming. Harvey's coming, and it's coming. Now we'll have to feast in the back. It was all perfect. I saw a guy like that in high school. You guys might you might remember Gary Anderson Plain back when he was in high school Columbia, Missouri. I heard he, you know, football, basketball. First time I saw a guy, you know, he did not know where the good basketball play. He let he first guy I
saw leave the free throw line and dunk right. He took off from their track hundred two hundred long jump relays, and maybe his best event was the four hundred. He hated because you got to practice, so so the track
coach it was at Hitman High Track. Coach tot them and they were in the regional and they need to get more guys qualified for state, and he told them, Okay, I won't let I won't make you run the four hundred through the whole season, but when we get to regionals and we need to qualify for state, I want you to run the four hundred. So that year, it was his senior year, hadn't run the four hundred all year.
He ran to four hundred, won the darn thing. And that's like, have you ever run a four hundred before to understand how hard that is? It's a sprint? And his his yes, he just he was so athletic. It's like he was just the stallion, you know. The way he ran his it was his legs were never behind him, his knees were always in front. Yeah. Yeah, that's when he just ran like man, he just ran like he
was the win. And he went to Arkansas and had one heck of a career and the Chargers, Yeah, argers first round fixed for chargers, right he uh and oh did that cause problems at Missouri because his mom worked in one of the cafeterias at the school and he chose Arkansas instead of Missouri, and they had the press conference in her cafeteria. You know, oh cold, No, that's cool, and it was. And it was a new coach too,
come on side. You can't do that. You got to give moms and heads up on this one because we got this all set up for us. Yeah. Anyway, but he was one of those guys that you were talking about, whatever sport it was, he's gonna beat you. And you know, the other part of it, like with Micah and Trayvon for that matter, is when they can do it, like immediately in their career the rookie year, Micah comes in and he's able to do what he can. You know,
that's that's amazing. Well, you'll love this about Treyvon and you can talk about your little deal you did with him. But so he comes to do his little thing and somebody said, well, what do you what do you need to improve on this year? And he said, oh, well everything he and somebody asked him. He goes, so, got to take fewer chances and he goes, I don't know what you're talking about chance and they go, well, you know,
gambling on stuff. He goes, I don't take chances. I play football, And I said good for you, right, and he kind of gave a smile, but it was sort of a smile like okay, take that right, and he and they're right. Everybody see what happens on TV? Is they him get beat and it's like he took a chance. No, sometimes you just get beat. Yeah, that guy gets paid over there too, Right, you getting beat and the guy
puts a good move on you. It wasn't like you were going for a dick, right or or I think that insinuation is the reason he has so many guess because he's gazing. Yes, that's what they think exactly, and he's not. He didn't gotten beat, right, so but he yeah, he took a little exception to chances. I thought it was good. So what were you alluding to with Everson and Trayvon? What do you tell Everson? Why don't you explain? Well, why don't we do that when we come back here
on twenty minutes? Anywhere? There was an interfacing between Everson and Treyvon. Is that what you're saying a little longer than the one you put? Okay, interfacing that's kind of sounds sloppy, But Everson will clear it all up and me come back here on mix shots. Raise yourself for an existential question. Has your butt been having enough fun lately? Have you been treating it well? Has it been going places? If not, then it's about time you start using SeatGeek.
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some concern as we hit the summer months here. But let's get started here with Everson and Trey Vaughn. Yeah, we had a nice little get together. Let's put together by guest Blue Star Productions. They wanted to talk about, you know, just have a little documentary. I guess you call it. It's going to be it's a documentary that's deep blue. Thank you getting docked. Yes, that's cool stuff, man.
So yeah, we we just kind of talk about the similarities between our uh we're really lack of similarities between our careers. As we got started and it was all about leading up to those eleven interceptions nineteen eighty one and his eleven interceptions this past season forty years later. Uh, eleven picks. I thought he was gonna get it. Yeah, he didn't play that last game. I think he was doing me a favorite. I don't know. I don't think
he wanted that. He didn't want that. There's too much pressure to carry around those eleven interceptions for forty He wanted the team network should talk about Everson for another year when it makes another run at the market, which he said he is going to do, all right, he said he's going to make another run at eleven. I told him to go with God because he will never be able to get the NFL rookie interception record that I told him. You can have the rest of it.
You can take those forty years off my back. I will see you later when I got that NFL rookie record. That's something I can hang my head on. That's right. Did they have some videos so he could see your interceptions? No, we didn't do any of that. But it was a lot of just you know, posing and picture taking and posturing, and you know, we had to come up and shake each other's hands. You guys have see it pretty good. You know, the guys were very good at how they
did it. I hated all the you know how it is. You gotta do the one take and to take. Hey, we'll try it again, and yeah, but it was fun and the last time we did it that he's a sharp young man. He's just very shoy. He's a sharp young man. The last time we greeted each other, he made it. He made it look better than the previous three times that we did it, and it really kicked off the entire document. He did a good job. It's like pulling teeth out of him though to get out.
Yeah he doesn't. Yeah, but he's not like you in that respect. No, No, I definitely did all the talking. I definitely did all the talking and kind of maneuvering the interview a certain way. But they did a great job because you know, when it came to the questions, it was pretty organic on you know, things we talked
about and what it led to. I don't think it was strange at all, because you know, the questions were so direct and poignant, you know, to where it went direct to directly to what the director was trying to do, and and we just had a lot of a lot of fun catching up. And really my first time meeting and face to face is my first time meeting and face to face. I'm happy to say I'm about it. As just as tall as he is. That's like I said, just as tall as he. I thought I was shrinking.
I'm not shrinking yet, that was I was right there. I kept stretching my net, you know, when I was standing next to him, So Siga, I think he was flouting, but I was like, you know, straight up, Okay, So he's not like you as far as an outgoing personality. How is he like you as a football player? Well, we thought just as we start talking about the things that we see when we play, Yes, it's it's you know, we go we go down the same path. You know, we can go down the same path hand in hand
talking about the same things. Because it was all about the instincts that you have. The question that they asked him, you kind of anticipate those questions and you get offended because it sounds like they're trying to say you're guessing, you know, and you don't come about eleven interceptions by just guessing, you know, and the plays that you give up, it's not because you went after an interception. Sometimes the play that you gave up because that guy on the
other side was balling that day or that play. And when it comes down to it, many guys get beat, but do does the quarterback see it? Right? You see that's what you're about. You can get beat a lot, but does the quarterback see that? And that's a lot of times you missed that. In the game, we talked about how you know you have the ability, uh at an early age to be successful. That's something a lot
of people really just don't experience. I came out of course my rookie year, I'm leading, I'm leading the league with with I'm not even starting and I'm leading the league from the bench. Well, here it is. This guy steps out and you know you expect, can't expect that from him, but here it is. You're catching up with a with a number that hasn't been done in for the years. So you don't really think about it as you're doing it. It just becomes part of your DNA
as you're playing. And we just kind of talked about how instinctive that was, how you're not going out there looking for it. You're just going out there, as he said, and football, right, yeah, just the way it was, you know. And it's it's amazing in our business that somebody should write this book, the Book of Assumptions, right, because people just assume things right, and got to ask that question. Right.
So if you remember midway through the season or whatever, and it's like, well, do you think quarterbacks are gonna quit throwing your way right because you're intercepting the past. Well, if you put him or you on the best receiver, the other team's not gonna say, I'm not throwing to my best receivers, right, he's my money man, I'm coming after that guy, right, Yeah, no, No, you got the thing with that was you know we kind of I did the talking on that one. Wasn't you're gonna be
on the best receiver. You know they're gonna throw it to that best receiver. You know that they're gonna put it on the money to that best receiver. So when you cover a guy and you're in position, you are the receiver now, because when that ball comes in there, it doesn't matter where he throws it. If he if he's in the vicinity of his receiver then I'm going
to be the receiver. You understand, if he's if he throws that ball on time the way he always does, and this is what they practice, this is what makes them good, then I'm going to be there too. Anticipate that move that he made you you basically they fall into their own traps. This is what we do. We know, that's what you do. Say, that's why if you're waiting on you, and that's how you make your plays. See,
you make plays on bad passes. You make plays on good passes because you're in good position to make the play. And I think and I think the other part of it is and you had disability. He has disability to judge the ball in the air. And not only that, but catch it too, right, because I guarantee you when when they come up and no one knows who anybody is and they put together a football team, the coach is looking for if you can catch it, well, you're
my receiver. Right. And he was a receiver as was I, as was you. And also the ability to judge the ball from playing baseball. Now he didn't play baseball. I was going to say, and just and just think about Dion Sanders. He played baseball, right, so you have this inaidability to judge the ball in the air. And if you we saw last year some of his interceptions compared to Trey Vons, and it was the ability to judge the ball in the air. You know where it's going
to come down. Yeah, And that's why we talked about because of our experience at wide receiver, we know what they're running. I mean, we've run the route before. You can used to the stem is still the same, you know, the little tree for the little routes, It's still the same. Now you can put all kind of moves into it that but you're still going to be in a certain spot at a certain time. So that never changes. And
I always you always remember that as a player. That's the first thing I learned was football, was how to run the tree, you know, the route tree. And so now you know what they're doing. I know where to look at it, I know when to look at it. And not only that, talking about playing baseball out of I'm sure I've told the story many times because in my book, I couldn't see the damn ball in the air. It was moving all over the place when I was at center field, I'm running all on my heels, you
know what I mean. I don't know how. I'm nine years old, I think, so, you know, I just asked my dad, who was the best coach I've ever had, and he was so simple with it. Son, just run on your toes. So he's probably out there looking at me, like, but this guy is an idiot. My father was so athletic and he looks at me and these the things were so innate to him. Son, just run on your toes and it was like magic. The there it is the but I can see the seams, you know, and
next thing you know, I'm Willie Mays. I'm catching everything. And so that's some ship what he went through. What d you guys as well? There's a point to where, Okay, you conquer that and you're on your way. You conquer that thing that you couldn't do, and you you get rid of that, and that's all it was waiting on for the rest of your instincts to kick in. Happens
to a lot of kids. So running on your toes, that keeps your eye levels, it keeps the ball, it keeps your vision from bright like running with the cell phone. That so when you running your toes. It all smooths out because otherwise you running on your head right and then run like you have to run as if you're your your your legs are shock absorbers. You know, Ben your knees a little bit. Don't run straight legged, get
on your toes. And Brad Sham the only guy ever ever, he said, I knew you were gonna get it because your gate changed, and he knew my gate change. When you saw that, then that means that I'm running running right. But then you started looking at the ball. You gotta get on your toes. And he saw that difference. And he's the only person to ever see that difference in me besides my dad. We talked about the center fielder for the Rangers last week, you know Eli white Man.
He came up and he were talking about him. He robbed the Tampa Bay Ram home running was so cot feet over the face right there, whatever, right there. He had two more catches the other night in Cleveland, and one of them was a diving catch on the warning track where he just had to lay out whatever, and then another one was a back handed going the other way where he was able to slide. But to your point, on what Brad said, He knew that your gate change.
He knew you were gonna make an interception because your gate change. All right, the analytics on that baseball player is apparently you know, they do all the analytics on how far he had to run, how fast he had to go, And he and Evan Grant tweeted this out yesterday that the well, the analytics say that the second catch was more difficult than the first catch, but if you watch both catches, it was clear the first catch
was infinitely more difficult. He said. He dove on the warning track face first and he snow coned it whatever. But on the other one, his gate changed. I mean he could. It was like Everson intercepted the pass whatever. So I mean, it's crazy, man, man, we all do it. We just don't know we did it, all right. My dad had to tell me. Those guys probably you know, conquided themselves. They okay, figure it out, but just so happened. I had somebody to tell me, and they made me
develop quicker. I'm coaching, man, and nothing better than coach. I loved playing baseball, I just have. I just loved it. I couldn't get it. What position did you play well. I was no infield, and I could see anybody fear though you were a second base start stop until the base has got to be ninety feet. Then my arm wasn't stronger. So who were you? What? What? What major league player were you? Louis Epper recently, no man that
was the same side. I batted lead off because I was small, I can get walks, and then you know, everybody infield was the best thing to for practice, right, you'd play infield, so then when they hit the outfield, everybody was bored. I'd go out in the outfield and take some flyballs because I just thought that was that was the cool thing I wanted to be. Jim Landis jumping up on the outfield fence to catch a ball, you know, and uh, and then my arm wasn't strong enough.
But getting back to trade arms, yes, I think I think this year, I think he's gonna be even better if I compare it to mine after my rookie year. And I'm looking at my rookie year as his second year, because he really started to develop this past season. I could see him getting better, getting smarter. I remember after my second year playing was a strike year. But I had seven picks in nine games. And it wasn't just
about the numbers. It was the field that I had after that rookie year, you know, giving up a lot of big players my rookie year, Like, I'm not doing that this year. I got even better. And that's without the speed and the ability that he has. I mean, with this guy, he's got it. I think he can run as fast as he wants to. So remind me eighty two, did you play nine straight games and then the rest got canceled until the playoffs? I think we played two then came now that was eighty seven. You
played two and eighty seven before the strip. That's the case. Then in eighty two, now nine, you did nine nine and then you didn't play and then they had to turn it. Right, Yeah, they'll look it up for you. Yeah, I think I think I'm right though. All right, you sit there and you talk for two seconds. But now I truly think, because you know what that year, that
year when they when the strike happened. So I'm working in Jackson, Mississippi, and uh NBC they got no games, right, so they decided they were going to do a Division two game, uh and it was not Belle Haven. It was another small college. How was that surprised that we didn't play? How are they surprised well at something. No, they weren't surprised. They just got to a point they needed to do games. What what did you say into you played two games? Two? And then I thought that
was eighty seven? They did two and eighty seven was right. You did two and then miss two and then came back and did the other seven and then the other seven after missing the seven. Well, in eighty seven they did two and then missed three with the replacement players, and then came back and played the rest of the season. But anyway, they did a small college thing like Division two.
They brought in all the broadcasters, they brought in all the TV production to this little field that looked like a high school field, right and uh, and did a game live for television to film some space on a Saturday. That a two game kind of reminds me. A two season reminds me of what they did with the bubble in the NBA. It was so quick and I almost it was like put together the last minute seemed like And as much as I enjoyed that season, I had a hell of a season, and we actually went back
to the championship game again. But it just seemed like it was just so abbreviated. It didn't seem like a real season. You know, when you're up playing nine games versus sixteen, that's kind of weird. I mean, you just can't. Even in high school you played more games in that, right. Yeah, And in eighty seven, actually they actually ended up only playing fifteen games because one got canceled before or are they played the three replacement player games. But I think
he's gonna come back. I think Tray Bond is going to be even better. He may not get the picks. I know, if they would played an entire season, I probably would have gotten more than eleven. I don't know if he's ready to do that, but I think he has that ability because he I promise you, he's seeing things a lot clearer now based on especially based on that season he had last year. It's not just the confidence that you have, it's your anticipation seems to get better,
and I think his anticipation would be better. And if we think about it, he only played a couple of years at quarterback in college. Right, he was a wider He talked about before he go he talked about how many intercessions he missed his rookie year. He said he probably could have gotten eleven. I can't remember that many misses. But he's like, if he wouldn't have missed so many, he would have gotten done even better than he did this year. And I know Everson talks about this, but
we don't talk about this enough. That Everson second year of the league, he only played nine games in heads having picks right. Yeah, Like I said, I know Everson talks about that a lot. But one guy, well, guy, I feel the one guy, one reporter, this is for the Hall of Fame. He was James Lofton told me this. They went in the room talking about voting and one guy, well, he only got seven interceptions his second year. The guy
didn't even know it was a strike year. Why And Lofton told me he had to chastise the guy, like, you don't even know what your your voter, You don't even know how many games that they're playing. Well, the other part of it is, I don't understand playoff games are more important than regular season games, and those don't count and count, yeah, don't count their extras? Crazy and So you think about Charlie Waters, you know his career
was very good, but you look at his playoffs. Damn, guys got like he's like one of the tops in the history and playoffs in deceptions and who thinks of Charlie Waters when you think of that, But that that just goes to show that's the clutch player, Right, that's the moment. All right, we're talking Dalton Schultz and positions of concern. When we come back on mix shots, before there was a draft, you could sized up a cowboy
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Because I know it was right in front of me tier headlights, I had. I had other stuff on my mind, the transition to like the Cowboys need linebackers and they worked out a couple of guys yesterday, okay names and also I do not uh and also the fact that uh they will have Tilbert and Osta Diggy Zoo back in practice Jalen Tilbert, not Tony Tilbert. Yeah, this week, but they're gonna have a bunch of guys out with soft tissue injuries. That might be surprising to you guys.
So it's like everybody should like today. So when the tweets come out this afternoon at after when they can start tweeting with observations shocked, working on the chords, be working on the chords with Britt. Yeah. Absolutely, So there will be a few guys and I and it happens right this time of year, and you're not used to doing a lot of football stuff and you get out there and you strain a hamstring or whatever. So there'll
be a couple of guys being held down. And I think what they're probably trying to do is hopefully get them ready for them three day mini camp to be able. Not that the mini camp practice is any different than these OTA practices, but they probably want them to get in there for that. So there'll be a little bit more conservative with this one that's open to the media in about an hour. Yeah, okay, Dalton Schultz, Um, what do you make of the Dalton Schultz situation? Right? Very predictable.
We talked about it last week, right, except that they're Johnny come Lately because I'll guarantee you the reason that his agent told him uh no tas and win't going to mini camp was because the negotiations were stalling. But the problem was they signed the franchise tag. So once you signed the franchise tag, you are guaranteed one year ten point nine three million for a tight end, right, and you're obligated to do everything the team does if
you're under contract. Now, if you're going to try to create some leverage, don't sign the franchise tag, all right? Is this unusual? Is this unusual for a player even though he signed the franchise tag, it feels like he deserves more right to make this move. This is not unusual, It is not unusual, but you should not sign it then, you Now he is subject to being fined if he
misses mini camp practices right now because you're under contract. Now, the downside of not signing and trying to continue to negotiate and hold out is they can pull the tag from you and then you're really in trouble. But I'm thinking a guy that in four years in the NFL made three million dollars and now he's guaranteed ten point nine he ain't missing anything right now. He missed might
miss practice. That's only going to hurt him, right because if you do end up playing on a one year deal, you better have a good year to market yourself for next year, right, because next year they're probably not going to tag him again because then it's a twenty percent increase in what you just made so late. Well, I mean it's a statement, okay, and has that I'm not happy as has that statement do you think? And has that statement ever worked before? I don't know that it's
changed the dial it has that ever worked? It depends on how it turns out. Right, did did you get a long term deal that you wanted or did you get a long term deal that the team wanted? Because I think the Cowboys would like to sign him. We talked about it last week. Right, They would like to sign him to a long term deal because they don't want that cap hit for one year to be ten point nine. You signed him to a long term deal,
give him a signing bonus. You spread that over the life of say four years, and his cap hit this year might be five million, because you'll get a basically a million dollar based selling And there is a deadline on that. Yes, it's got to happen by July fifteen. And even with that you've got a player that you know is disguanted. Sometimes this power move might work. And as a player, I'm going to try what I can. Right, I would tire so I didn't have to pay fines
and train account. I mean, I was twenty four years old, retired. I mean, I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do. So my thing is, has this ever worked? And I also point out how OTAs can really screw up negotiations because you really don't know what's going on in the front office between the player and the negotiating right, and as soon as OTA's come up, whoever doesn't show up. Oh we got a problem. You know. I didn't know we were having the problem with Shels. Yeah, yeah, were
having problem with Sheolts because OTA's are coming out. He's not coming Oh well I thought we were cool. Now we're not cool. So those OTAs, they can bring up a lot. And Donald's right back. Look, look, he was gonna retire, right, And I told you last week the reason he was going to retire was because he had three years left on his contract. He was gonna make fourteen million this year, but none of that money was guaranteed anymore. Right, And he's going, you know, and I
mentioned what he said. He said, well, this is not about the money. Uh, it's business. And I'm going, well, it is about the money, right, money is the business. And then suddenly he got a forty million dollar raise and over the next three years now all ninety five million is guaranteed. His tune changed to, Hey, we're going to get back at this and get another ring. Right yeah, well yeah, yeah, same he gets he gets a lot of money as well, right, And as an extension, what
the OTAs? They bring it all to lights because you don't have to be there for the OTA's right. Remember the old it was quarterback school, now it was it was what was it was a voluntarily mandated Yeah, voluntary? What do voluntary? Bean? So what's the what what do you think the uh? What's the purpose? Here's what happened to to sit out this year. Here's what happened, and
we talked about it last week. The tight end at Cleveland, the Negochu however you say it, Uh ended up getting franchised and they signed him to a four year deal averaging fourteen million a year, and his numbers were half as much as and they're they're they're, uh, they're negotiating on what they think this guy can be more so than what he did. And I think the Cowboys are looking at it, and you know, they probably think Schultz topped out this year seventy eight catches, eight hundred and
eight yards um, eight touchdowns. Now can he get better? I don't know. That's by necessity. And there was nobody else open, so that's by necessity almost obs And I don't want to say he's a system tight end, but I think the system helped what was going on and help. But again again my question is, so what what purpose is Schultz? What? What? What is his purpose for, you know, for sitting out this week? And I think one of the reasons might be that, Okay, you think you can
go without me long term? Right, see what else you got out there on the practice and guess what happened? And this is this. You get an opportunity throughout for a whole week here to see if you don't have me, not just this year, but going forward next year, what do you have at tight end? So do you think this was a coincidence? They had one guy of their nine that hadn't been signed of their draft choices and he signed ed guy named Jake ferguson tight end in
the fourth guy, some guy, some guy. Now the other side of what you just said, as Parcels would say, the other side of that pancake is what if they get this guy out here and now he's working with the first team and looked really good. Look at how Shelts got here the fourth round draft, fourth round. I mean, I mean, I remember we're talking about first I just
love Jarl because Jarvon could out maneuver for anybody. Next thing, you know, Scholtz is doing the same thing, and he was kind of doing it as Joan was a starter. I remember him making a great third down in three catch from that. I mean, we needed it. It was just one of those many third chain movers. But it was Sheltz doing it. At that time, he was not the starter, Like, wow, this guy's not just a blocker, because at that time that's what he came in. As
I said, this guy has good hands. Sure enough, Joe goes down. Now he's looking like jar one, right, So is there another Shelts out there? They're hoping, I would imagine they're hoping that they can make a compromise and get a long term deal. And what Schultz's guys are trying to do is get guaranteed money down the line, not just one year of guarantee, because I would if something happens. And now you go into free agency and your market value is just driving of course, right, Yeah,
and that's that's his right. Yeah. Is he gonna makes next week though, Mack? And do what now? Will he miss next week? Though? Oh? Well, next week? You're subject to being fined if you missed the mini camps. No, it's mandatory now on the CBA. If you're not there, you get fine. That's why I just said subject. You don't have to christ right, Yes, first day you missed fifteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty dollars, second day you missed thirty one thousand, nine hundred eighty and third day
you misses forty seven thousand nine. Those are those, Okay, so those are on top of each other. Yes, yet ninety five whatever it is. Yeah, but to your seen teams, excuse that. But I don't know now that they can't anymore. Can't you can't. It's part of the CBA that if you get fined, they can't when you sign a contract. But if you agree to a long term contract, you just you just say, okay, I just put that in there,
that's right. Yeah, And that's what they do, right. So anyway, so we'll keep an eye on the tight end position today, okay, and okay, positions of concern as tight end right now? Um so, and that second tight end who emerges as a second tight end is a position of concern, I mean, and yeah, that's an important I mean, can if Schultz is there, is it Ferguson? You know, is Sean McEwan stepping up? Can he do anything? We're gonna have We're
gonna come out. Peyton shot the college and you know they've got Sprinkle and then ian Um bunting bunting, so they've got numbers. But again, you know who can come in as that second tight end and really help you out. And I think that's one of the things because they love their tight ends. Mike McCarthy loves the tight end, two tight ends in his offense. And you know, they did it a lot last year, but I don't know
how good they were at it. Uh to the point where they sent the guard to tight end right to block McGovern the guard that's gonna have to start at left guard, left guard, right. Yeah, he didn't tell you, guys want to talk about that. I can educate you on the importance of what that was. So and by the way, he also is working at tackle too. Tyler Tyler Tyler Smiler. First round. So when they when they give Tyrn Smith a break, he didn't need to be
out here for OTAs. But what's he learning, right, So he'll he'll come out and first team and Tyler Smith will go in there and play left left guard at the left tackle. And then at this they have at the line as far as the line's concerned. They just got Tyler in over. He's second team guard. Oh okay, okay, Connor McGovern still working with the first team now. Travis Frederick came in here and he was the first team center from the day one of OTA because they didn't
have anybody else to do it. Okay, huh who was going at it now besides at center? Yeah? Uh. Last year's seventh round dropped choice. I think it was yes getting the good He was a guard. They moved of them the center, so we'll see. But he's the backup right now. And then McGovern can also do that and they may put his hand on the ball also once we get the training. So if Tyler does if Tyler Smith does well at god uh, then they might then McGovern because it shelters here at first, And then Tyler
does well at guard. What you think of mcgovernor center, they could let him compete and at least see they need a backup center they like be oddish and they've been working Braylon Jones there too, right, okay, but you also have on game day you would love that your backup center can also play guard Joe Looney. Right, then you save a spot on your on your active list. Right, So if McGovern can do both, that that's a that's a bonus. And then the other thing of concern on
the line would be, Okay, who's who's my backup? Who's the swing tackle? You know? Right now they think maybe will let's ski, Well, let's go starry yeah? Um? And so now can he do both? But they don't know that, and he's a rookie. Is he better than some veteran you can pick up off the street. You have Josh Ball as well, and Ball's been playing right tackle the
majority of it. So we'll see where that one goes all right, So any other positions of concern, Um, my second wide receiver since Michael Jay is out right now, is James Washington? Can he fill that role? Are we asking too much of Jaalen Tolbert didn't have both? Didn't James have a book? He's out of the boot, out of the boot, he's out of the book. He's doing resistance stuff with brit right now. So maybe he's ready
for Mini camp. If not, I'm sure they're looking at with a veteran like that, just be ready to start. I'm keeping an eye on the waiver wire today. Okay. That would be Travin Howard, the linebacker from the Rams out of TCU, Okay, actually had the clinching interception in the NFC Championship game in January, and he was let go buy the Rams yesterday because they signed Cooper Cup to that big contract and they had to do something with their salary cap, and they have a salary cap.
He was on the restricted free agent tender and which is a two point five four million dollar deal and which isn't guaranteed, so they just cut him and decided that if he's going to be a backup linebacker, then two point five is too much. I'll find me a young guy for eight hundred thousand. So they're saying, if someone else picks him up off waivers, and if not, then he's free agent. Figure out what he goes for. Then Vicky Tolber's back at practice. Is that correct? Yes? Uh?
That yeah? And and uh so Tilbert, you know, is he ready to be I mean till and is he the third guy? Right? Is he ready to step into that until Gallup gets back? Who, by the way, now is out there doing grass drills ahead of schedule. He's well, they're always ahead of schedule. Now is are you ahead to actually put some pads on and actually play football? I tell you who's running really well as Jabril cox U. So I think there's a good chance that he could
be ready for the start of training camp. If not, they put him on pup, you know, let him do some stuff for a week and then get him out in pads, just to make sure, because what you want to do is make sure that he can do all that stuff, uh before you say okay, we're taking him uh and putting him on the ninety man roster. So because if you can keep if he's not ready, then you keep him on PUP and that way he can start on PUP at the beginning end of the season
if he gets to that point. And they've changed the rules on that where it's a four games they sit out or sentimum six. They switched it from six to four. That's right. With the other thing with that, and that applies to Gallop right where if he's on PUP, then he doesn't have to sit six games before he's eligible to come off. It's four right and so um, same would apply with bro Cox and and that that those players don't count against the fifty three at the final
cutdown day if they're on PUP from through throughout preseason. Um, so, do you guys have a position you're worried about? I was alluding to the linebacker position, just depth and so forth, you know, with the Trayvan Howard, which by the way, vander Esh had a really good answer when he was asked, uh something about yeah, I looked like at the end of the season, Uh, you you were coming on, you
were you were being more productive. And he goes, well, that's what you get if you play me the whole game. It's like, oh, okay, and he's right, because the end of the season, his last six games, he had thirty of his eighty six tackles in twenty one were in the last two or three games, so he really was playing. And the reason on linebacker I say that is because of Cocks unknown unknown, and I want to be I want to have someone who can play linebacker to free
up Parsons. When Parsons is not playing linebacker where you can where you don't feel obligated that you have to play him at linebacker because you don't have it right, there's a falloff in ability from where he is. And the guy that would do that is Cox. But at this point you don't know. I mean he and you need he had nine season. At this point you're you're taking the bunch of linebackers and all and also safeties to play and making them linebacker. Right. My concern is
who the hell is going to play safety? Because we talked about being able to track that ball down. You can't just use anybody. I say, just what decent last year, But towards the end of the season, we fell off the kick that the key thing will be Malie Cooker. Can Malie Cooking? Now, remember last year, he's coming back from torn achilles. Uh, can he get back to that level? That? Uh was incentive enough for the Colds to use a
first round pick on him? Right? Can he play? And that Ken Marquis that's right, b Deamonte and Casey and and that's what I want to know. Oh, I think that's exactly what And now no started and Donovan Wilson too, I was are you coming out there to look? Did you see what I saw? I want? I talked to the defensive coordinator. Okay, he's got named Quinn. Some I've got named Quinn. No, No, he really did he insider training. I talked to him about Marquis Marquis Bell, I did
Marquis Bell, and of course he had his idea. Is I really like to see him a linebacker? You know, because because Queenn loves these hybrid safety linebackers curse right of course. But then I I want to see more Wilson's Okay, I want to see more Donovan Wilson's back there guys that yeah, well, and once again you're coming from deep. I want to I want your deep first, and I also want those guys that's gonna come up
and make those plays. He can't stay healthy because he's throwing his body in there so much with reckless abandon which I love that. So if you're gonna have if you're gonna have some safeties, I need some safeties like that, but that can also stay healthy. Marquis Bell might be one of those guys. But you keep changing, and I know that's it's worked for him. You keep changing these excellent athletic safeties and putting them as a hybrid linebacker.
Now you're leaving your safeties. You got some safeties back there who may not be as and and you need so many safety's. It's like he can't have enough cornerbacks well now and the way they're playing defense now and these sub packages, you can't have enough safety. So the team, So did you eyeball Marquise? I told I saw him, and I told uh, I asked. I almost said, hey, but coach, you know what I mean, you really need
to have him. And I had to stop myself because I'm you know, my thing is, I'm a safety corner. I want to see somebody and go back there and make plays in the ball, which is exactly what I told him. I want to see somebody can make plays on the ball d I mean gathering himselves to go up and make the book. I said, from what I've heard and from from what I've seen, he can do that.
But once again, Quinn loves those hybrids and he loves putting that pressure on him, so the quarterback can't can't get out like the way he wants to, and to create matchup problems of course. Uh in blocking, well, he need to keep an eye on forty one to see what he does. And in the mini camp and then uh, you know they only got one kicker there. Oh yeah, Jonathan Garabay, Texas Tech. I hear he's kicked well so far. But again he doesn't have any competition. I saw where
um who let him? Oh uh, this guy had a he's a free agent. He had a Tristan Viska. Yeah, he had. He had to work out with New England and the Ravens. We're going to bring him in for workout if but the Cowboys had Ravens need a kicker. I don't know, I have no idea. But on vacation so they don't wear out Tucker. They did that as a favor to his agent. Hey can you bring my guy in? Because people will say, what why if the Ravens they got a great kicker, the Cowboys had kicker.
The Cowboys had this guy you know in here for two or three months in twenty nineteen when they were looking for another kicker, and then they cut him right before the draft. So they had seen him before. But I just saw where he's. He's one of those guys that I mean, he's He's kicked six games with Cleveland, one game maybe with the Jets or something like that, and the rest of this time, six teams he's been on l still the squad they might have to count. Yeah,
maybe one of those will free up his problem. His problem was last year he only made ten or fifteen extra points in those six Kay, we've seen that before the show on that one. All right, okay, all right, OTAs today minicamp next week Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. We think, okay, and we think we'll have a mix shots next week. We think, but ill then don't don't count on the day or time. Chill, then have a week great ota
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