Mick Shots: A Little Sunshine

that is that for the Senior Bowl coming on. No, it's not for the Seminar Bowl. You know, we can't. I love it, but you know, it kind of lifts my spirits a little bit because gray outside. But it's really not still Bray. No, it's not not today, not today, not today. There's a reason that we are playing Stampede because the off season starts now. And there's good news here in cowboy Land. To William, the defensive coordinator is

staying still here. Dan Quinn remains a Dallas Cowboy. He wants to win a Super Bowl a year from now, and so he is staying. And so that's why we start off Mix Shots with stamping that is a that is a really optimistic stretch there, William. But I'll take it. I'll take it that it's finally coming out from under the cli. I can see a little slow glimmer, even though it's a cloudy day you're in Frisco, Texas. There is a light that we see and he was under.

I mean so many people were Interviewingham, planned interviews. He was supposed to be in Chicago yesterday for an interview. He interviewed with the Giants, the owners, the president, the new general manager, the vice president of player personality. He's good friends with the Broncos owner new owner and he's supposed to get that job, and interviewed with the Vikings and Jacksonville along that. Mostly he informed everybody. It's been reported that he is pulling out and staying with the

Dallas Cowboys. I mean, he had the Giants, the Bears, the Broncos, the Vikings in Miami either interviewed or scheduled interviews. And I thought the Giants think might be real just because of going back home. Basically grew up on the other side of the Hudson in New Jersey, and you know, he interviewed well everywhere, Oh the guys from the Giants

dot com are our good friend. Schmelk called me and we did an interviewed on Thursday when we were talking about you know him and what he does, and he goes, what's his best quality? And I said, well, if he wants the job, if he walks into a room and they interview him in person, he will get it. Yeah,

because of just his personality and resume. You're right, and what he did hear the dramatic, but you know, I always just the way he sort of tiptoed into it, I had this sneaky suspicion this is going to have to be perfect, wanting to wait until after the season before he did any of the and just the way he answered, I know that's what happened. Guys. Okay, See, I was one of those guys came out of college. I was never recruited from out of high school. It was never a big deal. I didn't get any of

those trips, recruiting trips and things that nature. When I finally left the Cowboys, I had a chance to go to Seattle and then New York. To me, that's my recruiting trip. I'm reliving that. I never not reliving I never had a chance to live that. I think with him, I think he just likes to travel. This is like like like if you would have got that recruiting trip to Hawaii, you would have taken it. I wouldn't. Maybe not a stage, but I would have gone on recruiting

trip I got. He's just enjoying himself. He's being quoted. They got three he got a free trip back home. Yeah right, he's trip to Chicago for Denver. Yeah. Yeah, he's just taking vacation. I went back and and I remember when all this came up and he had this quote out there and said, I think for me coming here, I wasn't coming here to look at what my next job would be. I wanted to come in here and have a blast and hopefully kick ass and make an impact.

If those moments come, I'll be ready for them if the right scenario came about. But honestly, I'm having a blast right here with this crew, and and we're going for it. That's where my mind is. So this was before the playoffs started, so you know, just listening to that. Um So it sounds like probably his representative, it's being reported, but probably called these teams and said, hey, we're we're

staying here. And it's not like he hadn't been there before, right, I mean, come on, And I don't know which came first, because the Bears announced their hirling Matt Eberflus, the Cowboys former linebackers coach, and this will make you feel hold, the Broncos hired Nathaniel Hackett, the son of Paul Paul Hackett, who is now authority. Yeah I didn't know him. Yes, that's crazy. And Hackett was here for three seasons eighty six,

eighty seven, and eighty eight with the coensive coordinator. Well, no, he was. Paul Hackett was coach a Pit before Kansas City. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, so he ended he's a Cowboys offensive coordinator and then he was at Pitt and then wound up in Kansas City and the end and actually right, yes, and actually he's the reason McCarthy ended up at Kansas City because he left Pitt. I think he got fired. He went to Kansas City and he brought McCarthy along as off

or a quality control colleague control. Yeah, McCarthy was. He was a GA and then wide receivers coach at Pitt under Paul Hackett and then Hackett got hired by Marty Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator and McCarthy was there throughout.

And so Nathanial Hackett now forty two years old. He was born in nineteen seventy nine, so he would have been at Pitt probably as a ball boy when McCarthy was on the staff with Paul Hackett, he would have been what ten to twelve years older and that time, and then in Kansas City too with when Joe Montana was quarterback in Kansas City. Had always had the he

always had that enthusiastic attitude about himself. You know. I think he really did love being here in Dallas, you know, playing coaching on the time, and there was a time that it was thought that he might succeed Tom Land. That's why he was so happy when he got here, and he was so unhappy when he left because he really thought that that was going to be. He thought he was the next He really did, because he came into the lock of home and he was excited all

the time. And then as things started to weigh a little bit, you can kind of see his enthusiasm. He and Tom I don't think well, I think that got forced on Tom, and then he knew that the Hackett knew that, and so Hackett knew that Tom did not appreciate that. So because there was that, and if you remember what happened, Tex wanted Stoutner out as defensive coordinator.

And so basically even before Tom the sale went down and Tom was removed, Hackett was going one out because of what texts forced them to do with Ernie Stottner. And let's give let's give Ernie his love. Ernie like the youngest Pro Football Hall of Famer ever electively, if I'm not mistaken, so I want yeah, yeah, and so.

But also when Hackett got here, there's that eighty six season, and things started pretty well in that eighty six number one, number one offense in the league, until Danny White had his wrists broken and broke a ligament in there or whatever you want to call. And then they bloom came up with Paul Hackett. Rose. Yes, it did quickly well. I went from six and two to seven and nine. I want, I want to get this in before the breaking at the beginning. Do y'all know what today is?

January twenty seventh, No, no, no, it's not, it is it is January twenty seven. But I gotta put my anniversary in there, guys a few days ago. But you know, uh, he's trying to save face. He must have forgotten. No, no, no, no, no, no no no. I mentioned it on the podcast. You're looking it up on your phone. See it's okay, man. No, this is the twenty fourth anniversary of my giants victory over the fourty. Oh there you go. Okay. I just wanted to come. I thought Bill was gonna finish it

for me. Again, when you mentioned the anniversary, I was thinking or personal. Well that is personal. Yeah, that's two us. No, but this is the day we kicked that booty man and I ended up going to uh end up going to Tampa and playing in the Super Bowl. So we had to beat San Francisco first fifteen. So it's my anniversary too because I was at that game. Oh wow, cool. And you saw a little Matt Barr. Matt Bar, you and Matt Pobbly the same height. Yeah, a little Matt

gave us five field goals? Was it? Fifteen thirteen? Fifteen thirteen, baby class thirteen? That was that. That San Francisco team was supposed to be one of the best teams in the history of the NFL, and I remember writing the reason, uh, San Francisco didn't win is because the Giants didn't let Joe Montana have one more shot at the end of the game. They had the ball, and well, yeah, he wasn't. He was sitting up on the bench. Yeah, I know,

I'm sorry he was laying on it. That was the key. Yeah, yeah, I said. They said, what happened? Joe said, what do you have? He said, what does it hurt? He said, everywhere I have? The lawns. Taylor pretty much knocked him into Kansas City. That's what I say. He didn't wake up till he until he got to Kansas City. But that was the last play for him, if I'm not mistaken as a forty nine interesting So it all tied together with Paul Hackett in Kansas City and then Joe

Montana and Kansas City. You go, Montana woke up in Kansas This is a tangent, but I saw him get beat up like that. At Notre Dame season opener nineteen seventy eight. Missouri beat Notre Dame and their former head coach Dan Divine, Dan Divine three to nothing, and they they they stopped. They stopped Notre Dame inside the five yard line, like in golden goals situations, like three times, and Divine was so up at he he we're not kicking a field goal and tie, and we're gonna win

this game right. And afterwards there was an Elton John concert on campus and we finished our work, went into a bar, and who comes in by himself, walking with his arms pinned to his side was Joe Montana. Because he got the living daylights beat out of him. Why is he there by himself? Why where was he? Where was that concert? No? No, no, not at the concert. At the bar, he walked by himself, and he was just beat up. I mean, he was beat up so bad. He didn't no one walked in with him. He was

by himself. You want to tell you want me to tell you my Joe Montana bar story from about that same era. Wait, let me finish? Okay, So so did we? I said, I said it was Elton John. It was Billy joel Okay, I remember his famous song right about then Catholic girls start much too late. They prohibited him from singing that song at that concert Notre Dame campus. Oh there you go all right, my little and write

a little Joe Montana story. Okay. This was when the Notre Dame played the Cotton Bowl against Houston and it was icy there. Yeah, okay, and Joe Montana, you know, at Notre Dame, he did not I mean he went for a couple of years at least without even playing that. I mean, he was a late bloomer at Notre Dame and so but he had a great last season there led him to Cotton Bowl. So it was Christmas week, Okay, Christmas week. I'm at with friends at up your Alley

on Greenville. Yeah, that was my spot with Bony and Wilson. There you go, all right. But anyway, so the Notre Dame football team had arrived in town that day, and so they were hanging out at the bar and I'm back playing pool with friends whatever. And there was a guy that looked like the manager of the Notre Dame football team. Huh, because he looked like me. He was a smaller guy. Okay, smaller guy played and play him. I played pool against whatever. The next morning, I wake

up front page of the Dallas Morning News. There's a picture of the Notre Dame football team getting off and it's the guy I played pool against the night before with a big old ten gallon hat that they gave him. It was Joe Montana. Oh come on, man, how could I had no idea who who he was? He wasn't Jail, that's right, it was before he was Joe Montana. By the way. At the end of that year, didn't he

make the great come back against Houston? Yeah? Yeah, So he starts off in Missouri like that, it ends up in the Cotton Bowl, one of the coldest games, by the way, right, he ended up in the Liberty Bowl. And speaking of Missouri, you're have to be proud that Matt Ebraflus, a former coach at Missouri, is a head coach in the NFL, and of course former linebackers coach here, as you mentioned, we met, um, No, it was here. I was thinking of Zoom Zoom and I met in

seventy nine as he was a graduates head coach. Was good, he was real good here, and had they not hired him when they did, he probably would have been the defensive coordinator here at some point. Well. And and you know he had so much respect for Rod Marinelli, right too, exactly, And so he winds up and going to Indianapolis, and they've had a pretty good defense up there, and uh, now he gets his chance. So it'd be interesting to know.

I mean, obviously it came down to Quinn Abrafluce whatever, and was was Quinn offered it or was right exactly, So we don't know which came first. Did I pull out or after I knew I wasn't getting the job. That always kind of takes place. But that's good news for the cowboys. And remember we've got an hour show, so yes we do. Yeah, so we're we're gonna hang with this. Well now, so how good is the Mislike, um, how good is the news that Dan Quinn is coming back? Yeah?

I think that's uh, that's really good news to you know, have some cottinude with the defense, you know, and and hey, you know, he's got a couple of really good players that maybe he looked around and said, okay, I'm I'm staying with these guys. They're just good players. Yeah, he's a young player that he can deal with. That part, to me probably makes him stay more than anything, because where you're going to find that type of youth and talent,

but anywhere on the Cowboys defense. You know, you just can't jump at the first head coaching job that comes around after you know, obviously it was and his experience in Atlanta. He learned a lot from that experience to making sure that it's the right spot to go to, especially when you've got a great job as it is right now, especially great young talent on this Dallas defense, right, and he as I think it was Tom whoever, Tom Pelliser whoever, said, Okay, he should be a hot name

again next year. Okay, yeah, he should be a hot name again next year if things if things go right. And you also, if you're going to take a head coaching job, what's the first thing, Well, the first thing you're probably looking at is the organization, right, Howard's run

the GM. Now, who's my quarterback? Because there's a reason why these other guys are getting fired because they didn't have a quarterback usually, right, Don't think of the name, Yeah, think of the teams that he interviewed with and where, you know, with the Jios in their quarterback situations. Quinn probably defense and said, oh Jayala Smith on this team, I'm out. No, you know, Miami, who knows what's going

to happen with Minnesota, you know. So yeah, so Quinn stays, and UM, I'm wondering if that affects what Joe Whit Junior does, because I was thinking if he went somewhere, he was going to try to bring Whit with him with him, uh as his defensive coordinator. And he's had I think three teams, if I'm not mistaken, Uh, I want to interview him Baltimore, Seattle, and I think it was Cargo too, or maybe it was Denver, uh for the defensive coordinator job, so he was in demand too.

I wonder if he'll you know, I guess you. You don't have to let him leave to be a coordinator, do you if you're under contract? And what I'm trying to remember, if you're up, it's an upward move. And Okay, what is officially his title here? Pass game coordinator? So does that count? Coordinator job? That's just that just gets

you a raise. It doesn't get you a coordinator per se, because there's only three coordinator positions on a team by the NFL standards, Offensive, defensive, and special teams all right, report out there among the names expected to receive second interviews from the Dolphins Cowboys offensive coordinator Kellen Moore, forty nine Ers offensive coordinator Mike McDaniel, and Bill's OC Brian day Ball Giant more a second interview in Miami, and

the Giants are acting like Dayball's their guy. Everything I've read so far in the papers up there. Uh, the new GM came from Buffalo, I believe. Yeah, right now, you gotta be patient in New York, right, I mean, you can't expect someone to just go in winning. You know. I think what they saw with Judge was no no improvement, right, you know what I mean? There was no progress. Then they saw a quarterback sneak on a third and eight

from the three yards. Yeah, that was degress. So as long as you don't show those characteristics as a team and as a coaching staff, you know you can, they can show you patients, you know what I mean. But that's not gonna be a quick fix up in New York. No. And you know what I think I read where you know, the new GM was talking about, Okay, we got to fix this offensive line, right, we got to fix our

our defense. And that takes and and and and I think the story was about them saying, oh no, it was the owner saying that we put too much of the blame. Not we, but too much of the blaine was put on Daniel Jones, that we need to find out what he is like because they got to pick up They have the opportunity to pick up his fifth year this year, and are you going to do that or you're gonna let him play, see what happens and then you can franchise. I never thought they put a

good offensive line around here. No, they did. Then the injuries must have come up and bidden them in the bud. And I'll guarantee you that probably one of the reasons if Jason, Garrett and Judge putted heads. You know, Jason wanted to put an offensive line out there and they just didn't do it, seemed to refuse to do it and tried to piece it together. But yeah, so now they used the fourth pick in the draft last year on a left tackle Andrew Thomas. Yeah, wrong guy? Huh

did he play? Yeah? Think he finally got out there. Yeah, and he showed some improvement initially in his second year, at the end of his rookie year and then the beginning of this year. Uh was was it? There? They spent the big money on the six nine tackle yeah Soldier so yeah, and uh and he opted out last year right and and high second round pick on Will Hernandez, a guard and he had got hurt. That was That

was in twenty eighteen. So I mean recently they have they have spent some draft capital on um offensive linement. But you have to really like what Garrett did here, you with the offensive line here with first with Tyrn Smith and then Travis Frederick and Zach Martin. You have to really invest in it. And there were eight and eight years that year that I was going to say. The patient still has to be the trial. You're getting these players. It's not like you know things are on hold.

The season is not on the hold. You're still going to be trying to win games and most likely losing those games until you get the people that you want. And one of the things, other than one game this weekend, offensive lines made a huge difference, except for Cincinnati guy won a game getting sacked nine times? Are you kidding? How many? How many touchdowns did they score? Did they score touchdown? Field goal kicker? The one goal kicker is the star rookie scored one a rookie, So they have

not been able to finish in the red zone. No more than we have here in Dallas. A matter of fact, we're better than they are in regards to that. And they still won the game against a heck of a squad that they play again, I say, this past weekend. And how about that's four of the best games I think I've say nine ers won a game without scoring an offensive touchdown. That crazy. Okay, we need to get into that. We also need to get into the other elephant in the room, and we will, Oh yes, we do.

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The big news of this week, what would it be, Mickey? Well, Sean Payton decided that he was going to step away as the head coach of the New Orleans Saints after sixteen years fifteen seasons because he got suspended for one season, so he missed that one season and as he pointed out during the ninety four minute press conference. This is not retirement. We're not talking about retirement. He basically said, I'm stepping away. Don't know what I'm going to do.

But he basically pointed out that he thought at some point it would involve football again, possibly coaching, but just not this year. So you know what happened, right, what happened, Well, everybody took two and two and got six at him that the reason he was stepping away was to come to the Dallas Cowboys, and he was pretty specific about I'm pretty sure I'm not coaching this year. Pretty sure, he said, pretty sure. So you know, he's got three

years left on a contract. But you never know how the contract was written, because you remember it was two years ago when this all came up again and they basically did everything they could to keep him there in

New Orleans. So they may have given him a contract that's not like anybody else's contract, right, because normally, if a guy quits a team and he's still on the contract, if you want him, you got to pay dearly in draft choices to be able to do that, and I would think for him the asking price would be a well first round picks. Uh So, but who knows what the contract says. He may have a clause in there that you know, releases him right away. Yeah, who knows

arf he just sits out a year. Who knows that, you know, they can come back and do something else the next year. So I would imagine this is going to hang over the Cowboys head for quite some time. Oh yeah, this is gonna be the top of the offseason.

He's no doubt and the season. Yeah, um, you mean, like, like so this is whatever if the Cowboys lose a game past And he also went into that, well that's how we've done broadcast one of our games, and he put that's a disaster, right, He put that out there by the way he said, you know, he goes, there's and he goes and let me set the record straight

on this. He goes, there's all these reports out there that I'm going to jump into the media, radio, TV, And he goes, you know what, I haven't talked to anybody. And he went on to say he called his agent and said, am I missing something? But then he said, but you know what, he said, I think I would like to do that, and I think I'd be good at him. It wouldn't be exactly. He didn't didn't need to be any conversation right now, you can just tell

he did. How long was that press conference? Ninety four minutes? Okay, there you go, yeah, right, and you know what, he answered every question and they kept coming. At some point, I'm going people are going to run out of questions? Right? How much more can you ask him? How is he? How was he in each of his press conferences? Is

he that open? He about his He apologized for how he was when he first got there because he had a little bit of Bill Parcel's in him when he started right, and probably after went in a super Bowl. After the Super Bowl, he lightened up and evidently they started a new deal there. It was a Christmas Every Christmas, there was some sort of ice cream shop in New Orleans that was famous, and he sent ice cream to all the media guys that covered the team every year.

Somebody asked about it, right, or we're gonna still get our ice cream? He goes, oh, yeah, sure, I'm not going anywhere. You probably talked with Jimmy Johnson somewhere along the way. Yes, I'm sure figured out. Okay, here's how you get the media on your side, right, and you go during training camp, right after practice, go across the street to that Mexican restaurant restaurant and drink a few hide Kens with the media, and you'll get him on

your side. He actually went to went as far as to say, I appreciate every one of you talking to the guys that were asking questions. And you know, it's not a big media contingent, right, you got basically one newspaper naturally, two Baton Rouge counts covering you, and then the smaller papers in the outside area. It's a smaller market in New Orleans, and you know. So, but yeah, he uh, he's gonna, he's gonna he's another guy he gets in the room, he's gonna talk walking into hiring. Yeah.

But so it's whatever he wants to do. But he's going to get a broadcasting job, and it's going to be a high profile one. And I think he's going to be so good at it that he's going to make so much money doing NFL games. Why do I want to work this hard right coaching? Right? And and it may be a studio, who knows, But I think I like him as a TV person. I think I would like him in the booth doing games or so than in the studio. Yeah, because he has all the knowledge.

He's got a romo thing. They see the field. There's a lot of guys that are in the booth. They don't see the field. They see the ball, but they don't see the field as as fans. We only see the ball, right, So then the guy I need him help me out. Yeah, he's gonna let you see further into the play. How old is he about? Eight? Okay, but he seems younger than that, yes, you know, and so uh you don't you know, just thinking about it, you don't see very many obviously, John Madden was an exception.

You don't see very many coaches go into the broadcast booth calling game. There's usually former players that are doing that, and the coaches go to the studio. Yeah, you know, it's like Cowe. Gruden was an exception to Bill Kower. Yeah, Cower studio right, but yeah, yeah, studio not color though, no. Yeah, analysts yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think Peyton would be one of those that if he's and he seems to

have the energy to do it. You know. Obviously the difference on that is you're traveling to different stadiums whatever. I would think that they would like that. But he even threw out a He even threw out a Ted Lasso mentioned. Now I've never seen it. I haven't there's something that Lasso does. He gives the owner maybe cookies or something like that. And so when he first started, he said something about ted Lasso, and he goes, yeah, but you know, we don't have cookies here in New Orleans.

We have Benyas. And he got up and he had a box of Benyas and gave it to Missus Benson, who is the lady owner. Right, And and so that that's going to endear him even more to TV executive, Right, Any pop culture references that you can make, Yah, Yeah, because that that brings the non sports fan with all the other stuff that's happening now with um is it Amazon? Yeah, And there's talk that they're talking with Aikman about Amazon. I guess the Thursday games. I'm not that an ABC

with l Michaels for Monday night. So Amazon is going to be sponsoring. They've got games, they'd be streaming games right Thursday nights. And so so there's there's talk that there that they might hire Troy to be their analysts and then there would be an opening at Fox and on the A team. And so that's Thursday Night games, is it is? I'm not sure. I thought that's what they were separate streaming it. I don't think it's the

only way to get it. But I thought I was gonna say, they're streaming with their own broadcast team, yes, and so we can pick it up on I think. I don't know. Yeah, they're going to force come on, I mean, this is not happening as well. They're doing it, and you know they're doing it here locally, right, Yeah, you don't if you don't get Bally Sports, you don't get the Mavericks or the Stars. M that's right. What

is this world coming to? Money? Money? That's right. So anyway, so yeah, the Peyton thing, uh, you know, and and okay, so here to clear that up. And I'm just looking at a story on Troy. Uh. He becomes a broadcasting free agent after Sunday, okay, and he is weighing offers to return to Fox, jump to Amazon Prime and do the new Thursday Night package on that streaming service, or

do both. Okay, So there's a chance he would do both and and and and there was a report the other day al Michaels is kind of in that loop there. I don't know if his contracts up at NBC, but they're kind of looking at him too. So anyway, I've seen this out there, and I went and did it myself. This comparison between Sean Payton, what he did in New Orleans what Mike McCarthy did in Green Bay, it's very similar.

It is the numbers, it's eerily similar. And by the way, he told the story that when he was here after he finished the O five season with the Cowboys, he interviewed for the head coaching job in OH six with the Packers and McCarthy got that mccarthury ended up getting And he said he had gone had the interview, was in New Orleans for the interview there, and he said he got a phone call from Ted Thompson, the GEM and he said the phone rang and I saw the

Green Bay area code, you know, and he goes, oh, I'm going to get the Packers job, right, you know. When he grew up in suburban Chicago, went to Eastern ill Oh yeah, Naperville, Naperville, Illinois, and and he's going and he got all excited, and they called him to tell him that they went a different direction. He said, I took my phone and I threw it in the pillar. Right, at least they called it, and then he got the Saints job, right. So anyway, so Peyton and he won

a Super Bowl before McCarthy did. The year before they won back to back oh nine, and then and then twenty ten. The McCarthy so fifteen seasons in New Orleans, he went one fifty two eighty nine a six thirty one percentage. Thirteen seasons in Green Bay, McCarthy went one twenty five, seventy seven and two a six eighteen winning percentage. Sean was nine and eight, and post games season postseason games, McCarthy was ten and eight. They each won a Super Bowl,

each had Hall of Fame quarterbacks. They each had Hall of Fame quarterbacks. You got that right, um Peyton. Peyton won seven division titles with the with the Saints and played in three NFC title games. Um Mike ended up with four NFC UH title games, went one in three and six division titles, so they almost were exactly in those years. Someone asked him about his ongoing UH tussle with referees and bad calls doing crucial games. I'm sure someone asked him his opinion on, Yes, asked Sean Payton

about his opinion on those don't plays that Yeah? Really they really? I mean, I don't think think think he got he got it did not. What's the word I'm looking for in that Minnesota game? Yeah, what's the proper word. Yeah, that's what I was. That's what you're looking for. But you know, when you think about that, that that defined his career for the most part, as much as Katrina right defined their career as a team. He's right, he's going to the Super Bowl again, and then they'd be

ahead of McCarthy. Then he would be aheader, right, And just think about that, man, I mean, and it wasn't and that played, that non call was against the Rams. It wasn't against the Rams right there, right, Yes, From then on, he's that seemed to be a pattern every time they got into a big game, the referees throwing some crap on them in their complaining, just like the Dallas Cowboys about how the referees are always school in the Saints. So you're wouldn't be in favor of him

coming to Dallas. Then if the referees are going to keep that, he would have to consider that stuff, and he should consider before he makes his decision if he wants to come back. Right to your point, Mickey Um, going by that track record, they all already have Sean Payton here as the head coach the game from from a record standpoint, very similar. Well, I think I think what happened was there was this perception that Peyton, you know, Sean took him to the Super Bowl every year, or

they had all these went. Now. The difference though, is the Packers had get this note, the Packers had thirteen consecutive winning seasons are now thirteen consecutive seasons of at least five hundred until two thousand and five when they

went four and twelve. So from nineteen ninety two to two thousand and four, well, they had Brett Farve, and they had Brett Farve Peyton when he got to New Orleans the Saints from nineteen ninety three to two thousand and five, eleven of those thirteen seasons, we're not winning seas we only had Saints. They only had two in two thousand and two, nine and seven in two thousand.

They were ten and six, and they hadn't won a division title since nineteen ninety one, and so during those years were again what for which one for the Saints ninety three through two thousand, all right, and their quarterbacks were Wade Wilson, the late Great Wade Wilson, Jim Everett, Heath Schueler, Billy Joe Hobert, Doug nuss Meyer for one game in nineteen ninety seven, Terry Collins, Danny Werfell, Billy Joe Tolliver seven games in nineteen ninety nine, and Billy

Joe Hobert for seven games in nineteen ninety nine, Jeff Blake in two thousand, Aaron Brooks until two thousand and four, that's when Mike McCarthy was there, and then final and so Aaron Brooks was the quarterback until Drew Brees got there in oh six, is when Sean Payton got there as well. So they had those quarterbacks and the Packers had Brett Park and from when that was from ninety three through six. So Steve Burline before that, boom boom hoop,

because the Cowboys traded him. See Walsh, Steve Walsh, Yeah, Walsh, you're thinking good time was John furkde in there too. Four quarterback, he was Uh at least did a game or two, and I love eighty seven through ninety. In nineteen ninety, after being traded from the Cowboys to the Saints, Walsh started eleven games in four kade five games, but he took them to a division title in ninety one, and the Saints wanted. The Saints want to sign me

Uh as an undrafted free agent. They were one of the teams, the Buffalo bill keep those Louisiana guys, the Grambling Gay. They thought I was gonna fall for it. Did you get a recruiting trip? No, I wasn't gonna. They didn't offer me a paper bag to go up with my trip, so I was no way I was going to New Orleans with That's all. I remember his bags on the heads, so it's no way I'm going there.

So okay. Sean Payton had a lot of success with New Orleans with Drew Brees as his quarterback, Mike McCarthy with first Brett Farve, then Aaron Rodgers, and now as you look ahead to the conference championship games. Who thought Zach Taylor was a good coach until last year when he got Joe Burrow, who knew him exactly right, And I mean, look at the great coaches in history, right

Belichick ed Brady. When Jimmy Johnson got this job as the Cowboys head coach, I remember because my twin sisters, she was a huge Cowboy fan and just loved Tom Landry and she was so mad and her being an OU grad, they hired Jimmy Johnson and oak Club is state coach to coach. And I said, here the other thing about it, he's going to be successful right off the bat because he's about to be coaching Troy Yman

and one right off the bat. But yeah, poor Troy when they always have to put everybody's records out there, that old and eleven really kid rookie year. I'm sure the money he's getting right now that put a nice band aid on his feelings. All right, We got one more segment to go here on mix shots about we look back and look ahead these playoffs and you know everything you noticed, Mickey's got his playoff beard going now right, go at it. That's how the research he's been doing.

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the desk over there. Before we get into the what's going on in these playoffs? Is there anything else that you would like to bring up that's on your padge? They got so much stuff here. If not, we'll proceed on. Okay, go ahead, let's do this. And I went back, you know, and everybody is so distraught over the Cowboys loss, right,

your feeling that ain't all that? And because they went twelve and five one to division, Well, when you go back and look at it, the Cowboys half of those victories were against the NFC East, helping them to attend and two NFC record. The only conference losses were to Tampa Bay and Arizona. What do they have in common there? Both playoff teams? Correct? The Cowboys when playing teams with winning records, went five and four, but two of those were over the Eagles, and we saw what the Eagles

were in their first round of the playoffs. The Cardinals were in their first round, and the Eagles didn't play that last basically that last, which they probably should have, right, So they went seven and one against all the other teams Denver was the only team with a losing record to to to beat them, or that's the only one they lost to. And when it came to games against eventual playoffs teams, they finished three and four, and two of them were against the Eagles, and the only one

they beat was New England. And we saw what happened to them in the playoffs and in the regular season losses. In three of them, the Cowboys gave up thirty something in each game, thirty one to Tampa Bay, thirty to Denver, in thirty six in overtime to Los Vegas, and in those games they got beat, but they ended up scoring twenty nine on Thanksgiving against the Raiders, in thirty three no. Twenty nine against Tampa Bay, and thirty three on Thanksgiving to the Raiders. So we saw a pattern of what

took place in that playoff game. The other pattern we saw were in the games that they got beat, they didn't rush for more than eighty two yards, and what happened in the playoff game. They had trouble running the football and also the majority of their takeaways were against teams that had losing records. So I know we're all shocked at what happened. But I think we ignored the facts on some of the stats that really stuck out

in the game. And when I when I was talking about the running in the twelve wins, the Cowboys rushed for at least one hundred and eight yards in eleven of those. The only one they didn't was the Dacklas game against Minnesota, they ran for seventy eight. San Francisco, by the way, ran for one hundred and sixty seven yards in the five losses Tampa, Bay, Denver, Kansas City, Vegas. In Arizona, the teams rushed for where is it at regular season ran for at least one hundred twenty yards

against the Cowboys. So what happened in the play off game? They got run on. So you know, if you look at if you just look at all that stuff, it's like, yeah, it was shocking they got beat. But I think we ignored some of the warning signs. No we didn't, spags, not in this room. We didn't. Not in this room. We didn't. You've given us more than enough information to

where we could see this coming. You know, we tried our best to give you know, some type of encouragement, you know, some type of light at the end of the tunnel type of thing. But that's not the way it was in this room. We always felt that there were gonna be issues every time that we started to lose the game. I think it's because our youth defensively that stops us or prevents us from making good adjustments.

Once we go off the rails defensively, I think our youth does not allow us to make those adjustments, and we kind of panic mentally, we lose our poise. There's no more structure in what we're doing that comes from a lack of youth, and that's something that the coaches Quinn is going to have to work on as they get older. You have to depend on your more experienced guys, put them in position to make plays during those blowouts

to where we can't stop anyone. And then we end up, of course, with the same pattern of a comeback, and we have to make a comeback, and the comeback is very difficult because we can't run the ball, which is the reason that we're in the position that we are in the first place. So now you've got your offense trying to get down the field. Hurry up, no huddle is the only thing that we have at our disposal when you cannot run the ball. So the pattern was there.

We saw it every time it was mentioned on this show more than once. So that's just the weakness that we had to live with last year. We're going to have to continue to live with that weakness as we go further on in the future. See, and I think you have to take into account It's like, did teams gang up on the run and the Cowboys couldn't expect to four the Niners? They did exploit it with throwing

the ball against basically cover two? Or is the design of the runs not what it needed to be, Or the offensive line played well and wins and they didn't play so well on lossus and they didn't play well in that playoff game, right and and so I just think there's got to be a big circle on that offensive line right now. I agree with that. Yes, you can't get past this fast. It is what it is. We you know, we we try to always offer a

reason for it. We always try to offer some type of solutions, but that that has nothing to do with what they're thinking on the field. Yeah, you know, it sounds good for us to see that pre and say we gotta do this, you gotta do that. At this point, they are what they are. And we started to always realize that because we were always happy about the I think our most our best moment in this in this room was when we beat uh when we beat the Patriots.

You remember that, who was so happy about how you know they had they had one and in Boston for a minute and all that kind of stuff. So you we had those moments, but they were very they weren't consistent, right, and they in talking about those takeaways. So they finished tied for first turnover differential with a plus fourteen, but in the in the five losses, they were minus one in takeaways, and in that playoff game it was zero one. And and and let's let's let's let's also realize what

it is. We are extremely on discipline. So our youth keeps coming, it keeps popping its head up, Our inexperience keeps popping his head up. There are games and moments in the games where we can fuss about all our shortcomings. But if we would have just not committed that big penalty on third down, not commit that big penalty on a huge run, that penalty in position for a field goal, not commit that penalty when we're trying to get out the end zone area, and now you're putting us back

further because of a holding call. We are an extremely undisciplined team when it comes to penalties, and I don't know who to look to for that. You look to your head coach, of course, But if I'm looking at my offensive line, then what's my old line coach teaching them? You know what? What kind of shortcomings is he dealing with that they cannot overcome? Because those penalties put us in the hole that we're in now. And let's just be real, the penalties of the reason we're not playing

right now. And as Everson's pointing out, the Cowboys led the league in penalties. I never thought I hear that, right, we have led the league and penalties, and what happened in the playoff game fourteen fourteen, So we are what we are. We are what we are old denigree. Now, I don't know if I don't know if we have time to do this, but we were talking before we started the show about how the Rams were able to get to the ball and spike it with four seconds.

So here, here, here, here, here's basically what happened. If it wasn't for the back judge in that Rams game, thirteen year veteran Todd Prukop, they would have never got that forty nine yard field go off to win the game. The Rams were at their own forty four yard line, snapping the ball with twenty eight seconds remaining, Stafford completed the pass to Cup for forty four yards forty four yards to the Tampa Bay twelve. When Cup went down,

I was watching on the replay. There were twenty one seconds left in the games and the Rams were out of time out. So with the clock running, here are the Rams making a mad dash for forty four yards right offensive to try to get there to stop the clock. That's where that's where the forty yards. That's where the forty yard time time comes in. Now that's right, combine, go to the combine this way. That's the one time that it matters that it offensive lineman can run a

five flat, so they were able to. They got there, got set and spiked the ball and five seconds so there was four seconds left, five that long five seconds. That's when they got He made sure everybody was that got to the ball with eight and he just made sure everybody was set. And then the last guy from Tampa Bay came diving off line, so he wasn't off sides. So uh so, basically they got it spiked the Cowboys.

If we look at the last ending, the ending of the San Francisco game, the Cowboys were on the San Francisco forty one quarterback draw with fourteen seconds to go, Dack sliding in at the twenty four for just a seven teen yard game. And when he slid there were nine seconds left, right, And I went back and looked at it, and so Tony Romo's yelling find the ump, find the yump, and it was like, well, Tony, guess

what the jump wasn't there, right? He didn't show up to like two seconds left, and his only seventeen yards and he didn't have that fire to go. Well, here's the difference. The umpire in the Cowboys game was coming from twenty eight yards away. When Cooper Cup went down, the guy closest to the ball was the back judge, and the back judge spotted the ball. So the ball had already been spotted with like fifteen seconds to go in the game. You know that's because they realized a

mistake was made in allagame. I wonder if they looked at me and I was talking. I was talking with an official college guy, and he basically pointed out that if if the ball is close enough to the back judge, he spotted. The back judge in the Cowboys game was standing on the goal line twenty expecting a Hail Mary. I guess right, And he didn't move. And in this game, he was expecting what everybody else at the stadium was expecting, to throw to the end zone. Job, is he gonna defended? No,

but he's got to be back there too. He got a call pass interference or whatever, but he had to get back there. I mean he kind of ran up right, and and the guys, you're going to be behind the defender. But my point is the back judge when you were looking for the more might trying to be a smart alect. The most invaluable guy for for the Rams was that prow cop because he spotted the ball and then backed up to where he needed to go. Because that umpire

and then back up. And they need change that rule because they changed it previously when they did move the umpire behind the offense in the last five minutes of the game, they put him back behind the defense, knowing there could be hurry up situations, right, And then they changed that and said, no, you're back there all the time.

It's a safety safety and so I would imagine. So that's my rule for bad judge to spot the ball is because he he knows he's going to spike it and he'll t have time right after the time match. But with the hill Married, like you were saying, everybody's looking for the hill Mary, so he's like, I'm not running up to spot the ball because i gotta be back here. Then the play didn't come to him as far.

But yeah, but had they spiked the ball in time, then he could have backed up for the hill Married, right. So anyway, I just I noticed it when I watched the game. I said, look how far they went in that little bit of time. They need bigger reporters to go in and talk trash. Y'all are scared. I wish I was a reporter. You want to be the reporter. They're like, I know you guys talk to the guys

in Gallas. So that's why you guys fix things up for us from this particular game and everything ready for it, because I know y'all talked about it. I want an answer right now, and that's what I'd be said up there, way Nord, We'll have to talk to the Pro Football Writers Association and just nominate. Let's get in there to be the reporter that they're pucking. Y'all. Man, y'all going there, look at these little guys, y'all in all sheep's like, can I have an answer? Get out of here? Man?

Can I ask you one more question? Man? Have some more By the way, there's there are reports out there CD Lamb is going to be added to the Pro Bowl. There are another glimpse of sunlight. Yeah, I think when we go outside, if the sun just so, we are going to convene. And by the way, also that took place in this last week. Randy Gregory had his niece scope. He had some loose body is in there or something they cleaned up. So he should be ready for the

start quote of the off season. Yeah, and what's his contract status? He is a free agent unrestricted free agent strictly probably should take up a segment of our yep and so in our next show, which will be Monday, Monday thirty we're switching out next week Monday, so we'll be wrapping it up thirty, so it'll be our first opportunity to talk about the Super Bowl match up and which will be who will be playing in the Super Bowl.

I think the Rams are going to be in the Super Bowl against I think the Rams are going to go against Kansas City. Okay, Rams, Chiefs there, what do you guys. I'm going to take the Niners in the Chiefs and I'm going to take the Niners and the Chiefs too. They got something going. I think they scare the Rams in about it. I don't think they're going to scare them twice or three times. Did you see what they're doing at so far? They they the Rams.

If you're trying to buy a ticket, man, and is that messed up off of their off of their website, yeah, I mean the secondary marketing, do what you want, but off of the Rams, uh set ticket office. They're checking zip codes in them. It's not in the LA vicinity because there's no Niner fans that live in LA. Right, yeah, right, because that's what happened. Right. It wasn't like they all traveled, but they do travel well, No, but they still they

lived there, all right, just like they lived here. All the people come in here with their all their money, selling their houses and buying houses here twice the size for the same amounts. Yeah, that's why they were all here. But that really didn't make much of a difference. Although I did see some red in Green Bay. They actually made it. My business partner made the trip that was bugging the heck out of me. The Cowboys. I'll tell you what. That was a bucket list thing for him.

I was gonna say no. But if you had a bucket list to go see a game in Green Bay and wanted to see what Green Bay was, why we got cold weather and you got snow. Yeah, yeah, that's what. Why why would anyone have that on their bucket list? Because they saw the Ice Bowl and they said, well that was cool unless you had to play in the dark game. All right. So that does it for this edition of mix Shots, and we will be back at

you on Monday. It will not only be your first chance to hear about the Super Bowl matchup, it will be your first chance to talk about the Senior Bowl as well, which next week. All right, So we'll chat at you again on Monday. Here on mix Shots Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.