Mick Shots: A Deeper Dive

I noticed its WBC podcast studio. Oh okay, I'm sorry, dropped the We've we've dropped the mortgage. Okay, it's the s w the s wb C podcast studio here at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. So it hasn't been up that long, No, And it's got it. It's a it's a registered two weeks. That's better than my record at home. My wife will have a new picture on the wall or something like that that's been there two years. Oh okay, it's pretty right through the kitchen.

You see what I cook for, you know. But what a great Tuesday it is. We call this victory Tuesday as well. Why not. Okay, all right, it is a victory Tuesday here at the Star in Frisco, Bill Jones with Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola and our producers Supreme Chris Beam like that. You know when they won, when they won the third in a row, I said, well, when's the last time they won three in a row? Well, they did it last year. We just don't remember. Yeah,

towards the end of the season. That's after we had checked out some good defense at the end of the season. Maybe it was twenty nineteen. Yeah, we actually did. And so that was a Everson's alarm going off as just to remind him he needs to show up for ya. As Mickey goes to his media guy trying to confirm exactly what it is he just said, and three in a row, three in a row last Nattie, San Francisco

and Philadelphia. How many backup quarterbacks were there that they played against during that show and that stretch, Well, Cincinnati, Nattie for sure, San Francisco Garoppolo was out, let's go with it. And then Paradelphia started hurts, but he was the starter. He wasn't at the backup, but he was originally the backup. But we forget at the end of the season last year, like three in a bow. We played some good defense last and you got to take away that set the tone for the takeaways this year.

But what was the defensive coat. I mean, I'm sure you know you know, Dick soon, Dick Soon is back there. You know, Mike is like, what happened to me? Just looking at me? Is the bad guy? The wicked witch? Now? It just didn't have time enough to turn it around. Yeah, yeah, all right. I ended yesterday's show talking about the play, the option pitch Zeke to Tony Pollard. Yes, that clinched the victory on Sunday, And it wasn't the first time in Cowboys history that they in fact had a game

winning play against the Carolina Panthers the same play. It was two thousand and three, they did the same thing. It was in the fourth quarter of a it was a seventeen seventeen game at the time, and Richie Anderson with a pitch to Avion Cason's sixteen yards for the go ahead. But but what what Okay, you missed one from last year? A second you get that not against the Carolina Panthers. Wasn't No, not against That's the that's the crazy thing about it. It was exactly against the

Carolina Panthers. And Chris Beam, our producers Supreme claims that he remembers that play in two thousand, so he found it right. Well, he may not have found it, but but he he says, he says he remembers that play, and don't you Chris Beam? I do, yeah. And so where was the game played? It was at Texas Stadium now when he was in here earlier, he said it was played at Carolina. Okay, I think about it because we played We played Carolina that year in the playoffs.

In the playoffs that tried Carolina, that tried the first game. Yeah, that was the November meeting. And and Carolina had a very good team obviously that year. They went to the super Bowl that year they were eight and two, came into Texas Stadium. It was the Sunday before Thanksgiving. And what do you remember about that play? Chris Beam? I told Bill, I said, I remember is is they were the play ran towards our sideline. We were going on your broadcast. We're going left to right and Bill said,

we're gonna do this on the air. Still yeah, we're not having this conversation. Now, we're gonna have this conversation on the air. We're not gonna waste it. We're not gonna waste it before we get on the air. And Chris Beam, I am here to tell you you are absolutely correct. I think you do remember it. It was left to right on your radio dial. It was a and the play instead of this one went to the right, of course, and that one went to the left from

Richie Anderson pitching to Avon Cason. Now Mickey is dying to fill us in on something eighteen years ago. It was eighteen years ago too. They unearthed it and said, oh, look at that play, and I think they probably did not unearth it. Then, No, they didn't because Kellen Moore spoiled your eighteen year history because he pointed out that they ran that play last year against Minnesota only Zeke pitched it to Cede Lamb was lined up in the backfield.

So they they kind of went back to something that they felt like and they could, you know. And he was pretty good about explaining why they they called it. He said, they were loading up the box and we decided if we have an open edge, then we'll take the opportunity, and he said, we feel very comfortable of putting the ball in the hands of Zeke and Tony's and they make good decisions because Zeke has to decide, right, that's a lot of handoffs. I'm keeping, not just hand

but pitches, right, I gotta keep it. Do I run or do I pitch it right away? And and it worked. They pitched. If that's like if that's like the last play of the game, or you do a die shot. Yeah, that's a tough call, right because you know you gotta take it. You gotta pitch it to him and got to pitch it. That's a lot of stuff going on. I mean, think about even in that situation, Okay, two minutes left, you got the game in hand, it's an

eight point lead. I mean, what if that defensive end bats that ball away and then get a loose football and they scoop and score and we'd be dogging kellamore right now? Yeah, what are your calls up? Like that? Feel much stuff going on over the place. Shout us for the two point conversion. There you go, yde it again. I think we will and I don't know what's gonna happen. We're gonna do just like Kansas City, does you know?

Mahomes gets down there with a shovel pass and all of that, and then this time, instead of getting it too Kelsey, he pitched it. He went, he didn't go like this, Kelsey went that way. Here comes another running back. I guess he had come from the other side of the ball, and he gets kind of pitches the two of him underhand, and so you have to deviate because now everyone's going to be looking for that particular play.

So the other play that Kellen Moore talked about was the touchdown pass to Marie Cooper, and they were asking him, you know, you made some adjustments and you know, and it's like, I think he thought maybe they drew up a fancy play at halftime, and he pointed out that it was basically the same play in a different direction that they had against the Chargers. You remember the play

that and Tony Romo saw it right away. He threw a pass over the middle of twenty yards to I believe it was Blake Jarman and Marie Cooper on the far left was five yards behind the dB right. And so he pointed out that you know, sometimes the quarterback.

He sees he's got Amari right, but he sees also the guys wide open over the middle with his hands up in the air, like throw me the ball, and your instinct is okay, I'm going there brief So this time they motioned Cooper from left to right and he looks over the middle and Dalton Schultz same thing, twenty yards down the field, wide open, and he held it and held it until Amari made the turn. I went

back and looked at it. He threw the ball when Amari Cooper was on the twenty yard line and he caught it at the goal line and he saw he had a step and it was like and dec I think said it to him because he told Amari, okay, I owe you one. So he would said, okay, there's the one I owe you, mister hamstring. But it's amazing. It's amazing how these these plays kind of come back. And then the quarterback says, Okay, that's what happened last time. Let's see what happens this time. And we talked it

about yesterday. We dropped it in the bucket. Yeah. Well yeah, you can talk about finding and looking and all that, but for the play, to actually happen. Yeah, to drop it in there like that, and for Cooper to just get that shoulder, you know, get the leverage on that defensive back just enough to where he could hold him off because the dB could have actually caught up with him.

But that's what good wide receivers do. He was one. Yeah, the dB when he put him in position to dodge, because once the ball was almost there, they give a little resistance and then they take it away. Drew Pierson did that to me all the time in practice. He's gonna shield you. He's gonna use his body. It's not just about going up and catching the ball. It's stopping you, the defender, from making the player on the ball as well.

He did that to me in a charity game. Who do you think is the easiest defender Drew Pearson ever went up against? Oh, we're looking at it. This is new knowledge, I would have said me. But now the way, by the way, they scored a touchdown on us, uh to cut the lead to like one touchdown or less than a touchdown, and uh they went for two. Well they had to go for two. There was no kicking right and Rogers was thrown to Drew. Of course I knocked that ball, yes, I did. Okay, So when they

got the ball back, I didn't. I was young, right, and I didn't realize that this is a setup. They got to win, right, and the last pass is going to go to Drew, and so we light we light up up and they the guy that's in charge of our touch football, so don't move. No, he said, go cover Drew, and I said, okay, So I go out. I wanted to make sure. Yeah. No, wait, it's worse. It's worse than now, So I go out and now

there's no safety. Everybody's at the light of scrimmage, right, Yeah, they were, so we he I ran with him to the goal line and the ball's coming and it's getting bigger and bigger, and I'm getting ready to go up and all of a sudden, I feel this big hand come on my shoulder and pushed me down so he can catch the ball and spike it. We win. Yeah, yeah, there was a set up. The ball was getting bigger and bigger, yes it was, and Micky was getting smaller

and smaller. Foller, your chances were getting smaller and smaller, like they were going to get back at before that two point conversion. What game was this? It was a charity how long ago? That's the thing. Okay, I was going to say, you out there running around like that? It was? It was. It was at that football that football stadium field in Farmer's Branch. Yes, there's alows. Yeah, we played out there. Yeah, that's where we go practice when when we had the rainhouts. And that's right, you did.

I tried it was still. Yeah. And then when they were at the ranch later on, they went in practice at the field in Carrollton when it was bad weather. So there was a little history man memory l yeah, very I don't know if you call it history history history. Yeah. Did you play in the charity basketball games at all? No? Okay, thank god? Yeah? How about you? Oh yeah, oh yeah, the traveling troops. I was a basketball player. No, I

really wasn't a football player. I was. I hated football. Scary, scary, it's hot. You know. I had an afro at the time, and they put the head messed up my corn roles. So how many how many games would you'll play on your tour offseason? Two thirty games least thirty. I used to stay in shape, I really did. I hated lifting at the time. I loved more now than I did then. But you know how it is, I felt weight slowed me down. I didn't know any better, but you know,

as I got older, I did know better. So now the basketball, tennis and swimming, jump rope, all of that stuff that was my workout. Bob Ward never saw me. Bob Ward, the late great Bob Ward never saw me, so we didn't have much of relations. That sound you sound like DD Lewis. When I was interviewing D. D Lewis for whatever we were doing, and I they asked them about the off season, and I go, so in the off season, you know how these guys work. Now,

what did you do? Twelve inch curls in the swimming pool? Yeah, well, CEDD was up the old adage of I come to camp to get in shape. Yes, there is no getting in shape in the off season. As much as I was, I kind of believe that as well. The workoutside did they were fun. It was recreational. I mean, we still got got in shape because I did a lot of it, but it was mostly I used it as a mental

recreation and just get away from football itself. Yeah, why not college we graduated to sixteen ounce curls and they were cheap beard too. Yeah, they needed sixteen ounces because it was the kind of they did a little man, they measured it up. So that was all the time, right, Yeah, three two in Missouri only on Sunday, three two d. He couldn't get a full beer on Sunday. They switched out, Oh no way, yes they did. It was three two on Sunday in the grocery stores. Yes, that's crazy, it is.

At least they sold it on Sunday. Yeah, that's true. That's true, because what's still doing with that now? Yeah? Right, well afternoon? Right, you know they did that in Chicago. By the way, they wouldn't sell beer at the ballparks until afternoon. So if you ever went to like a Cubs double hitter and they started like the game at noon, all the vendors would be standing at the top of the steps, and as soon as the church bell rang,

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blame the material like breaking the scriptwriter? Yeah? What was that phone number again? Text to six three five three two five NFL d A L. That's what it says. That seems like too many, too many numbers. Phone numbers, got you? Got you? Okay? Well even the phone number goes, even the phone number, it'll stand right the phone That must be one of those numbers that I get for extend my car warranty. Yeah, there you go, all right.

This breaking news from the National Football League. The Washington football team is signing kicker Chris Blewett to its practice squad. Was there the worst thing for a kicker? Oh? He kicked last river? I remember? We said, Oh yeah, you want Washington to sign that kicker. You gotta change your name, you do, right? Did they get another training he's suspended, They need another trainer. Yeah, all right, speaking of blew it Um, Yeah, not touching it, Micky, not at all. Nicky.

Jerry was on the radio this morning. He was what do you know, I'll tell us about what's what's your Jerry radio report on this Tuesday? He said, of the third quarter, I don't ever remember a better quarter than that quarter. And it was made substantive in my mind because of the quality of the team we were playing. So three touchdowns in the third quarter took over a fourteen thirteen deficit to go up thirty what was it,

thirty six fourteen in three quarters. So I took that and also took that he said the offensive line, how well the offensive line is playing, And he said a great job and particularly well coached. We're going to get better on the offensive line. And he also mentioned and I think we talked about a little bit. You know, they're they're trusting Terrence Steele, but they're still giving them

some help. Yeah, right, kind of let him get into the game because early they were going two tight ends and they were making sure they were protecting him, unlike the Raiders did last night against Joey Boso. Right, and it's like, you know, when was like I'm finally stepping out. He's so happy not to see our offense. Yeah, and exactly, And I'm thinking, you know, think about what the Cowboys did with him, right, They reduced him to a pass rusher in the fourth quarter, and Steel a lot of

times was out there by himself. Saw. I listened to the game last night, and as I look at what the teams do after we play them, it just lets me know, just for the fires in my head, that we are a good team. I think we are one of the better teams in the NFL right now, because as you match up against the Chargers, you can talk about the penalties they had, all that kind of crap. They had the same penalties. I think it was against the Rams, I forget who they played, same penalties the

next week, but they overcame against City. They couldn't do that against us. That's because we're good, Okay, that's because we played better than Casey did, especially on the defensive end. So when I look at this team and I look at what the Chargers did last night. The Cowboys made them look I wouldn't say average, but the Cowboys made play plays against them on the defensive side, just as they did against anybody else, including against Justin Yeah, against

what says a lot awfully good life says a lot. Yeah, it was good. It was good against the Cowboys, except for there were some turnovers and the Chargers defense, and that accepts that's a huge exception because he didn't just stumble into that. We baited him intoday, so we played him the way he was supposed to be played. How about the quotes Joey Bosa on car Uh, we knew once we hit him a few times he really gets shook.

And you saw on Covington's sack he was pretty much curling into a ball before we even got back there. Great dude, great player, but we know once you get pressure on him, he kind of shuts down. That's pretty much everybody, you know. But what you think wild about that quote is during the same division and it's not like not lay him again. You're gonna play him again, you know, so keep that. It was somewhat critical of the officials too, wasn't he Yeah, he didn't like the

was it a roughing where he ended up. He ended up getting a personal well I think he no, he argued to argue with THEE. Yeah, and he got penalized for that. Yeah, And he was getting hairs. He was getting out what he said. Here's what he said about officials. The refs are blind. I'm sorry, but you're blind. Like open your eyes and do your job. It's so bad like me, do your job. He will get fined. He will get fined. Yes, you will, Well, the dark thing will so will KZ for that hit unless they that

is not a good that that's a horrible call. But he's gonna get fined as a personal fall. Well, No, I think he appeal. He can appeal the call itself, can't he Well, if he can prove that they made a mistake, even though the replay was one thing, you going to this particular procedure, it's almost like cool, you

don't just rely on you know what. Dan Quinn in his interview yesterday took the high road, um because what he said was I was he said, this is something I've been working with him because he would lead with his head all the time and he goes and I would explain to him for your own good. We need you and are good. We need you on the field, so you got to quit doing it. So when they

asked him, what did you tell him? He said basically after the game, I said, good job, he did what you were supposed to do, and he goes, I don't know. We haven't heard back from the league on the call, but at least you did the right thing. And he left it at that right. He didn't criticize the call, He just credited him kazy for doing Did they clarify Helm now a defenseless defenseless player? So you do with the defensive player? Just let him catch the ball? Yeah?

I guess that's why I said yesterday. Is he supposed to stop and wait, okay, catch it and then take a step. Trying to remember did they say defenseless player or did they just say unnecessary roughness? I can't remember. I think it was unnecessarily roughless on a defensive player, but I didn't I didn't. I don't remember hearing them say defensively. They may have, I just don't. I thought

I thought that's what they said, um, And they may have. UM, But on a play like that, what responsibility is it on the offensive team? Not to put your player in position you know why you're going to before Brady said, we talked about it before the Cowboys game and our friend interviewed him. Uh, and he said, that's on the quarterback because the quarterback, he said, I feel sorry for the defensive backs because the quarterback puts the receiver in that situation to get hit. So you worry about you

worry about hitting them in the head. You were about them being defenseless. So and you worry about and don't launch. Well, yeah you so, So what if the only alternative is to go low? R If you go low, that is bad because now that guy hasn't he can get injured. You know, Shotz got up in a game to where thank god, he bounced up and was looking macho with look cool. But you know it could have been worse if he hits him at a certain way and he lands on his head. Yes, it was a total flim

so you know, the impact was was pretty good. And so that's the only the alternative, and that's dangerous. I'd rather he hit him. He hit him here. That's the best place to hit in the torso area, defenseless or not, that's the best place to hit y and had his head up. I mean that used his shoulder. I'm not feeling that that has he cannot pay. He should not and I would imagine that's like twelve to fifteen times he should not have to pay. So what do you

think of reviewing that, making that subject to review. I think they do it in college, don't think. Well, they do on targeting, just to determine right. They don't take the penalty away, right, okay, but they they review it to see if I gets rejected. They get If they get called for targeting, they're rejected unless on review they determined that he can stall the game. In review, they should take the penalty back to They should. They should because if it's not targeting, the what did you call?

But in the NFL, okay, let's make it subject to review. Yeah, but I think it's how they were, Like you said, he said, defenseless. Can you review defense? Defenseless? Yeah, you can review defense. You should I say, oh no, yeah, but you can always say it's launching though, because the guy's jumping. Say that, yeah, the referee off off the

field in the room. He said that. He said, that's the only thing that I Greg Olsen's he said, maybe they could say launching, but but he wasn't convinced that it was even even even McCarthy skirted the issue yesterday too, by the way, when he did his press conference and he they asked him about or Todd Archer asked him about it and said, you know, from my point of view, this this and this right, and McCarthy says, I approved

that article. You said that I didn't, And then he went on and anyone went on to basically point out that was it him or somebody else? After the game, the the official that was closest I think my centered After the game, the official that was closest to the play didn't call it. The two guys across the field that weren't close were the ones that threw them. If you hit somebody too hard, you're gonna get a flag. Yeah, that's just it. So I mean, Casey, I think I

think I'm bigger than he is, so you are. Yeah, So just think if he was a linebacker, you know, just think it was if it was a more violent hit, which it could have been, it might get kicked out of the game. And so basically you're watching the game. Any play where you say, oh, like that because the cloud themselves, they could influence the referees like whoa what breaths like, Oh, I gotta call something on that and any wild hit, any wild hit five eleven, one seventy four.

Wo Wow, he's got to be KG. You know he's a good player. You know he's smart. Yeah, for that to be at that size, to be that relevant seven picks before he got here, that's pretty good. Okay, what do you want to talk about when we come back here on mix shots? Well, give me a tease. Let me let me see what I got here. I got a whole bunch of notes, you do. That's the tease? How about that? More shots to come next on mix Shots. At Smoothie King, we are blending goodness to fuel your grayness.

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well deep breath, you know, I just can't go. You were really balling there earlier this this week. You were You are concerns me because we've made the determination that Mickey is going to continue to do the reads until the Cowboys lose a game. Right now, was kind of suffering, and he said, teetering a little bit here. Three straights, a lot, you got outside influences. Okay, So when's the

last time they won four straight? Okay, fourth straight, that'd have to be sixteen, twenty eighteen they won five straight, five in a row, and twenty eighteen to get to ten and six and win the division. To close out the season, they ended up losing to Indianapolis twenty three to nothing. Remember them, Oh yeah, it's weird game. I don't think they needed that game though, And then oh, I think they did because then they won the last

two games. They beat Tampa and the Giants thirty six thirty five the Giants, So they won seven of their last eight. I think we looked the way we looked at it. It It was good that they lost to Indianapolis because you don't want to be on an eight game winning street going into the playoffs because the more you win, the closer yard of losing, right, and so they were going to set themselves up for postseason success. So winning those last two were good. When those last year that

was on track, think about it. They won seven of the last eight, which means they were three and five to start the season. I remember the season, remember because they were firing Garrett right. Yeah, and then they turned it around and they won, and then they won the first playoff game. So that's eight of nine and then that was the wild caught got wiped out by the Rams because they ran for two D seventy three yards

with the running back. I had never heard of the guy off his couch or so is that in your notes? Is that what we were waiting for that break? Okay, what we were waiting So what's what's in your notes? So when Kellen Moore did his interview you yesterday, he was asked about McGovern going in as the third tight end or the fullback, and Kellen said, they asked him, what do you what do you call that? Like, what kind of formation is that? When he goes in, he goes We just say mac m ac. So when they

call for that formation, they yell out Mac. And he said, that's the Mac show. Yep. Mac goes in there and handles everything. It's been awesome. He's a guy who has done some great stuff for us. So basically, Connor McGovern goes in as the eligible third tight end right number sixty six reports eligible and then he lines up at fullback. And if you go back and look at some of the plays from this last game, on that drive, they

were in the red zone, maybe inside the ten. He had a block to spring Zeke right up the middle, and then on the one yard touchdown he hit and then he caved in the whole Well, it had been on the right side, the left side of the defensive line, so Zeke could slide in for a touchdown. He's been doing pretty good job at it too, by the way. And you know what, it keeps a guy engaged. You know, he's a backup. He got to start when Zack Martin was out with COVID and then he goes back to

you know, just okay, what do I do? But he's a pretty good athlete, so they found a way to get him engaged. What what does he stay just on one side? Is he more comfortable on the the right side. I've seen him on the left too. I gotta say, Man, as much as we're playing the offense and I don't want to mess anything up, especially the offensive line, I think he's better than Connor Oh you mean Connor. I thought you meant left or right on the tight ends. Oh, okay.

I think he's better than Williams, That's what I'm saying. I think I think he's a little bit stronger. Obviously he's bigger, right. And I'm surprised that he didn't challenge him, uh for that starting job. I guess it wasn't up for debate. He never, I mean, he was always I mean he got snaps both sides. Uh. A lot of what happened was they were they were kind of game managing Zach during preseason and during training camp, so he

would go and play on the on the right side. Um. And if you look at and so one of the things that also came up was the Cowboys using twelve personnel, like two tight ends or going with three tight ends, right, And you remember the criticism Garrett got for too much too tight end and three tight end. The first possession in the third quarter after they after the Chargers not the Chargers, um Carolina Carolina missed the field goal. Yeah, thanks.

They they went the first three plays before the touchdown that we talked about to Amari, they went two tight end eleven yard gain, three tight end five yard gain, three tight end with McGovern five yard gain, and then they threw the thirty five yard touch What formation were they in on the touchdown pass? They went three y and all three guys were to the left, and just like they did, only the opposite direction in the game

against the Chargers, they sifted. Cooper went in motion right and he stopped at the numbers and then took off and did a little like he was going straight and he did a little I was a good move. No, it wasn't. It was. It was quick, Yeah, because the one he did to the dude uh in La, he gave him that step inside and then took off straight and the guy was lost. No one can keep up

with this one. And this one it was smoother. It was. Yeah, it wasn't as as crisp, but he got a step on him and like I said, and then Dak waited till he was the twenty yard I think I think the dB was guessing. Yeah, I think he was trying to figured out exactly and he hadn't played right Henderson. Yeah.

But anyway, so the twelve personnel has been really good for him, especially since these two guys can catch the ball right and you don't think they're just in there to block and or one guy's gonna block and one guy's gonna go out all the time. They can do either or or both. But at least when you extend the edge on the right side to help steal out a little bit, then who's ever rushing either got to go out wider or you know, try to fight through

three guys instead of one. So it's been really productive for him. You know, when I first saw Schltz and j Jowin was the guy, you know, we we knew we had some blocking problems, but John preh acl Uh Sheltz looked a little bigger, he looked bulkier at that time. It's kind of hard to tell the difference between he and Joan as they go down the field. Now I think you can tell. Schultz kind of got leaner, especially

when he remained a starter. His body, his body mass is leaner than it was, yet his blocking has them suffrage from that. I think that's how we ended up taking over for a job. And of course the injury didn't help, but he made the best of his opportunity, and I think that's why he's still in there now because he showed, yes, you know, I can block, but

now I'm also catching passes. And we were talking about steal and I want to ask why did they have so much confidence him after what they saw last year, right when it was basically, let's get him out of there, let's put Zach Martin over there. So what gave you the confidence this year? They must have seen something in training camp. Now he got stronger. Yeah, and think that you think that was the beginning of it. I think and and he is one of the top workout guys

in the offseason. He was one of the guys that got an award. And so I asked Nate. I asked Nate, I said, what do you think is the biggest difference, And he said, other than getting stronger, he said, he's playing with confidence. He goes, when you're young and you got all this stuff going on out there, and you start getting beat and you start beating yourself up, right, he goes, he's just playing with more confidence out there.

And even Kellen Moore said, you know when when you're a young guy and you're not just blocking the guy in front of you seventy times, you know they're doing all this different stuff. You got to sort through things, and he goes in your head swimming yes. So now when he sets, he's setting like Okay, I'm gonna block this guy right, not like, oh no, I gotta block this guy right. And and and so it sounds like he's playing with more confidence. With some players, it just clicks,

you know, everyone that doesn't. Obviously you weighed on a particular players, draft him in the first round or whenever you sign him. You're bringing in a key player, and sometimes it just clicks. Everyone doesn't get it. It's like classwork. Sometimes you get a kid in there, you know he's got potential. Yeah, but someone has to make him believe that he can do it. And I don't know who let that fire under him in regards to confidence. Yeah, but someone or something made him say, you know what,

that's where I was a grambling. I am tired of getting my butcket, you know, I mean, I'm just tired. I'm gonna do something. There was something about that, so and that that that's kind of a person's moment a lot of them. That's just how it happens. It's kind of like playing tennants. Right second serve and you're you toss the ball up and you're going, oh right, or you're gonna toss it up and go okay, I got this.

It depends on how you can play yeah right, yeah yeah, But but it's true if you're believing in yourself, then you're not thinking negatively, right. And so I don't know if somebody's gonna finally take advantage of him or what, but he's done pretty good. And I think the other thing is it seems like early in games when they go twelve personnel, Okay, let him get subtled, let him get into the game, get into rhythm, and then we'll

test them on third down. Right. I just I just think it's important that this culture that we have now it's not just the interceptions that we've been begging for and the turnovers, but the offensive lines culture has returned, right, and like all together, Yes, to me, it looks it's like this, that's what keeps us in playoff mode. That's what's gonna have us going in December. You know, that's what's gonna keep us going in that seventh, seventeenth game,

you know, into the playoffs. Our offensive line, not the D line, even though I love the pressure that they're putting down our offensive line. We are back to where we need to be. That them being our catalyst for this team and our success. And even having lost the starting right tackle, yes, a five game suspension, they've been

able to not only I mean they've sustained it. They've excelled. Man, you know, I mean, you don't just run for two forty three just because you other team's fallen down, right Uh? And then uh. Kellen was also asked by TYRNS about Tyron Smith and he just said he's playing phenomenal. Um. Yeah, man, when when it's quiet over there, yes, when you know everything's any And I went to look for it and

I couldn't find it. He said there was a scramble play that Dacked threw the ball to Schultz and I couldn't. I looked at him and I didn't see it. But he said, just go watch that click and that'll tell you all you need to know about Kellen. And then when he was talking about Zach uh, he compared it to the grades they give people and I'm I don't know about this stuff. Kell Kellen Moore, he said, uh, you know, I don't know what the Madden grade is.

Like they can give a ninety nine, he goes, so, I don't know, he's probably a ninety eight, but Madden, he might be a ninety nine. He's playing so well. I heard about these school I didn't know. I didn't understand either. And McCarthy basically said that he graded as high as you for this game, graded as high as you could grade it on my offensive. And that's not the first time either. So some of the other people that supposedly grade had him way up there to check

out their work every week. All right, well, I think that does it for this edition of mix Shots. We're gonna you know what, don't sleep on these New York show. We're onto the Giants tomorrow. Okay, you know what they are. I am on the way out of town tomorrow. Why not sound like my wife? What? I will not be able to make the show. I'll be I couldn't get another flight, all right, what we're doing? Oh? Shut up? I hope I can make him. Yeah, I do. You know.

I've done this show by myself before, and there's a reason they got others in here in Yeah, happen to year, right, Okay, I'll just go out on the street see if I can find somebody right there you go. Maybe that kid that I told to call in that was at the you might have to take some phone calls out of the star spots. Maybe I can. All right, we'll see who shows up tomorrow, and if they don't, make sure

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