Yo, what's going on? What's uh like? It's another episode of Mechanic Ass. I'm Canada, Dave and I'm Groovy. Today's episode, we got tons of things happening within the cannabis industry. Got a couple of shops closing up in the up. We have YEAP voting uh is coming up this Tuesday. You're gonna be able to vote for legal Bud in Ohio and then also in Rochester. They're voting in Rochester, Michigan, they're voting. They have dispensers. So we posted a graphic on that which is pretty hilarious. Check
out our ig. It's called Save Rochester. They're against the dispensary. So hopefully when we talk next we will say that dispensaries will be allowed in Rochester. We got news happening with Cleveland School of Cannabis. Also news from the South By Southwest Festival. They're and me focusing more on psychedelics and not so much cannabis next year. Moving forward, so you can start to see the waves are starting to change. We've talked about it here on the podcast Groovy.
Where psychedelics now are becoming the forefront pushed moving forward, starting to see them legal in states and then also decriminalized, So this just looks like another move. So I think we're going to jump right into this article first. Oh, and we're also going to talk about the perfect package and what that means to us, because everyone's always talking packaging and we rate it in all of our reviews. So me and Groovy we're going to dive into that and
tell you what our ten out of ten packaging would be. But before we dive into that was jump into the south By Southwest Groovy and give a little give all the people a little bit run down on what that festival is. So Southwest south By Southwest SXSW. It's a big like art music film, It's just a big art creative festival that's been going on in Texas for I don't know. I don't know because I know what's been going on for years, Like when I went back to when I was in school and I never
got to go. Everyone always talked about it and it was a big deal. So they're always kind of like you know, music performances on the street. You know, there's places showing like independent films places, it's art all over. So and they're also you know, they there's a conference about all sorts of stuff because they draw so many people from the you know, from the world, but they also do like different types of sessions, educational sessions,
hundreds of hundreds of sessions. Now, I think they range from like music, business to business, different types of businesses, just like culture. Now. I always looked at it as kind of like a culture or festival, if that makes sense, because it's a conference end festival, because it's like tech, film, music, education, like it's very like you know, ride range, but like, especially being in art school, a lot of people went because you know, business, art film, you know,
music, a lot of people went. So four hundred plus fifty like different types of sessions and stuff, and they say twenty four tracks, So across twenty four tracks, meaning like different types of you know, music, tech film, I'm sure now it's psychedelics instead of cannabis. And I think that's kind of what this article is breaking down, is that they were kind of look like going into like a cannabis like section track and that's why it said
that it they nixed the cannabis track. That's why it says south By the lineup is NOWS. And then psychedelics, So it seems like one of those tracks have become a psychedelic kind of route where there's thirteen classes on psychedelics. Damn. Yeah, that's that's a decent amount of classes on psychedelics for the festival, I think. I mean, I don't know how many would be for cannabis generally, but for psychedelics, that's that's pretty big. Yeah,
its that. I mean the two dozen different theme focus areas at the festival, so it's it's it's just huge, and they're you know, they're not just talking about, like, you know, I think it sounds like, you know, cannabis. It sounds like cannabis is just being looped involved in like into these which makes sense. It's a psychedelic that's what we say. But it's also now blinketing and keeping inside you know, m D M a H, mushrooms, d MT, mescal and all that shit. Damn.
And I think it's good to start seeing this because it's starting to show, like I was saying at the beginning of this, is that people's mindsets are changing. Cannabis now is becoming more of that plant that's becoming legal. You're having more states option to have it legal. We have two this year voted in legislator. The legis later voted it in, not even the people voted it in. So you're starting to see that mindset change. And I believe
those are Delaware in Minnesota if I'm not mistaken. Obviously it failed in Oklahoma this year for recreational but those two states move forward. So and now you got I think if Ohio goes legal tomorrow, that's twenty four states, right, So now we're halfway in the US. So what's next. Psychedelics. I'm jumping in no no, no, no, I'm not. Yeah. I meant as in like full coming, full circle as in psychedelics, not gonna be pushing us forward, as in I think those are going to go
faster than cannabis has. Cannabis well, I think that cannabis has such a bad way. I think cannabis has such a bad name to it because of all the reefer madness and all the propaganda against it, that psychedelics might have a quicker a better chance and getting marijuana looped in there, cannabis being looped in there because it is a psychedelic. So I think if anything, that's going to help cannabis go faster because it is just us psychedelic. Weed is
just US psychedelic. You know. People don't talk about all the other ones, you know, but it's just one. Yeah, I would agree with you there, grew with you one hundred percent. I think I think you're absolutely right. I think it will push it forward and we'll be able to start, hopefully to see more and more states just break down the barriers of
illegal or barely any medical laws because there's dollars. It helps people. People should have the option to be able to use cannabis, and they should be able to option to use psychedelics, especially if psychedelics, which we're seeing right now is great for PTSD. Yeah. I mean they're going to be talking about Kennemy all sorts of ship, dude, but all that stuff, all that all that stuff should be talked about. I think it all has traditional
value and just regular recreational value in small meat is small doses. It can help the mental. These these psychedelics have been around for thousands of years. They've been around before even America was built and born. Right, Native Americans were using psychedelics for thousands of years. Huh. I found it was really
discovered born, yeah, yeah, taken whatever, whatever. No. I would want to read this though before you get two topic, it says, here are some examples of sessions featured in the South by southwas Psychedelic Track sod FDA approved Love question Mark exploring MDMA, psychedelic Journey, We got finding balance your relationship with psychoactive plants MDMA Saved My life, Psychedelics and healing from sexual trauma, the bars new top shelf, elevation over inebriation, man versus nature,
the commercialation of psilo cybet medicine, psychedelic leadership and systems change, and there's oh, so those are the ones that are focused more on psychedelics, and then when you go down there's actually here's some descriptions of sessions dealing with cannabis from prison to prosperity, How advocacy can impact cannabis. And I think there's one more cannabis around the world where the big opportunities. So it's just
being included and being blanketed. And as much as like I love, you know, I'm a big you know, I'm proponent of cannabis, right, Like cannabis to me is you know, I can heal a lot, but like when we branch it out even bigger, you can heal even more, right, you know, so I understand that. I think we're just cupping the surface with what it can do, especially with new cannabinoids becoming prevalent.
Wait till we start seeing No, no, I'm not Yeah, I'm talking about all these other things, not just weed, like I'm saying, like when you blanket psychedelics, like you include cannabis, it's the same shit, right, You're saying the same thing. It's just it's a bigger, bigger blanket. Okay, makes sense. I got you on that. It's a
good article. Hopefully, uh, we just see this trend continue and see more more psychedelics being talked about, and who knows, twenty twenty four, we might be legalizing, you know, our decriminalizing psychedelics in the state of Michigan and south by Southwest is a huge conference like conference in festivals. It takes over a week in downtown. I think it's Austin, but I can't
remember exactly, but it's it's huge. So it's definitely huge. So so I got a couple more out of Ohio, but I want to talk about this one real quick before we jump over to Ohio. Uh, this talks about a legal bud tender is home and for three weeks and being on Rikers and one pot chargers. Excuse me, that was fucking horribly red. I'm
so sorry. But essentially this legal bud tender uh in Jamal George Jamal George thirty three, he somehow got into held at Rikers and in a Pennsylvania jail basically on these cannabis charges where you know, you know, in Pennsylvania still completely legal. New York was the one that still was legal. But it's
kind of complicated. It kind of sounds like he had warrants related to him from cannabis previously, where some when everything when legal, he wasn't necessarily protected because they were protected from cannabis charges but not from past cannibal cannabis warrants. War So it was kind of complicated, Yeah, which is stupid because like, technically, in my I mean, they're not the same. I get that, But technically, in my opinion, if it's a warrant for a
cannabis charge like that should just been expunged as well too. It's not like he had a warrant for pushing hundreds of thousands of pounds. I think it was for driving without us just driving with a suspended license with cannabis or something on him or something like that. Here it is twenty twenty one law legalizing cannabis included a provision expunging cannabis convictions but not pot related arrest warrants. So his war warts on those pot chargers that are still no technically like not even
big dealing him over there aren't worst to it, could you know? That's why he got thrown in Rikers and then he got transferred to Pennsylvania because it sounds like he has previous convictions over there, so it's just shitty. But long story short, he went through city some shitty stuff for a few weeks well too, and then he had got charged. He got charges for in
Pennsylvania for a warrant as well too before he got freed. No, that's what I was trying to see that he got pushed over to Pennsylvania, right because I think he had two charges right right, that's what he went to Rikers to serve that out. Then you need to go to Pennsylvania, which Pennsylvania is super illegal in there still, But thanks for too good people in
the cannabis community. It sounds like his colleagues and friends railed around him and got him a GoFundMe and was able to raise like thirteen thousand, five hundred dollars, which got him bailed out. Well, helped him get to that twenty thousand dollars ballou so shout out to Mike Castle for people that helped start to go fund me. But I think that's just kind of a crazy story that you know here now in his state, New York, where it's legal
and people are literally selling it in trucks just driving around. But this guy is going to go to jail and basically like screw his whole life up because you know, his job was pissed or like, you know, anything he had going on three weeks is three weeks, you know, So he disrupted his whole life, just crazy all over some shit that happened before it was legal. Like to me, like that doesn't make any sense. It's like
why it was such a big deal. Why you know, you've got to get those people out of jail, because they're the ones that are being the most wrong. They're just sitting there on charge of that. Now people are getting paid to do so it doesn't make sense like this shit like this shouldn't be slipping through, but it does because it takes so long for the system to expunge records, rather than saying, hey, any of these charges underneath
these rules should just be no and void. I don't understand why it's got to be such a process and you have to go fill out the forums. Why can't the government just say anybody who's been charged under these things or just it doesn't it just goes away, like I don't do. Process can sometimes be fucking annoying. It's the government, Yeah, they say, sometimes it
makes sense, sometimes it doesn't. Yeah, that's why. That's why you have all these loopholes with stuff when it's not written properly as well too, and you just you find those little loopholes and you go through it. It is very unfortunate, but I'm glad that the gofund ME came up and they were able to get him released. We can be back home with this family. Uh, because a warrant for you arrest, like you're saying, man,
it should have been took it off. He should have been exponged just because he's backs based like it shouldn't have shouldn't have to like deal with that or have to go to court or have to go to jail for three weeks in multiple prisons, Like, yeah, what are you in here for? Marijuana? Charts? Aren't isn't it legal in our state? Yeah? Man, I know what the hell? I feel like that's like the conversation you have in your first night in prison, Like you know, like, I'm
I know what you're trying to I don't know. I haven't been inside prison, so yeah, I don't know how the first conversation goes. But you know, but whatever, Let's jump into Ohio here. They got a couple I got a couple things popping up with the election. Midterm elections happening this Tuesday, November seventh, and Ohios has the opportunity to legalize cannabis this year. They had the opportunity what was it to two or three years ago?
Twenty one was it? And I think it was twenty actually, and they did not pass it, which was good because I don't think the law was written properly at the time. So that's why a loed the Ohioans did not vote it through. Right now, they're looking at the law and it has some better it's better written, and to be honest, when I was reading some of this article from Mjbiz Daily, Ohio's the country's seventh, seventh, seventh most populous state in America, did not know that fun fact of the
day, it has over twelve million. I have no idea. I don't know. I'm just reading the first paragraph and I was like, that was something I'm going to say, because that's interesting. They're also predicting it to be a four billion dollar market, and if Ohio does go legal, I wonder how that's going to affect some of these dispensaries on the border of Ohio and Michigan. Maybe not at first, right, because Ohio's prices might be
different and the products different. It just takes in time. Eventually, I think they'll start losing some of those repeat customers or customers that aren't going to make the half hour forty five minute drive when they might be able to go fifteen to twenty minutes. Right, Who knows. I'm just curious one hundred percent. I mean, I just me living over in the water for Paniac area. Now there's disposing water for Paniac, Like I'm not driving down to
Detroit unless it's convenient exactly. That's fifteen minutes, twenty five minutes. Yeah, so there you go, Like it's just yeah. And so for those people out there in Ohio, it's issue too. They're voting to they either approved it or denied it. At this point, you know, I wish we could, you know, have given this out beforehand, but you know, now we're just we talked about it before, but now it's is illegal. I hopefully we're talking about it on the Waken Bay. So come and
check it out Saturday. We'll have an update for you nine am Eastern Live. Check out YouTube ig yep. And so, so while we're over down in Ohio, this next topic I wanted to talk about was actually kind of cool. It's Cleveland. Oh before you before you jump into that, what were some of the laws within the the Weren't they able to grow six plants per person at the house, but if you had two or more people there? Well that's my next article. Yeah, that's where I was. That's
where I was going to the cannabis school. It's in the next article. But yeah, so yeah, so it's either way, well all right, hold on. So yeah, so it's pretty much very similar to Michigan.
It's anyone over twenty one and up. They'll be voting on Tuesday. It'll be about what was it, six plants per person to grow above twenty one in their household and then up to twelve in each household, So twelve plants total in a household if you have more than two adults, and then ten percent tax, so a little bit better than we have here with the sixteen percent. So yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, I think that's really cool. It's kind of you know, it's not horrible, it's not
amazing, but it's not like we've seen a lot worse. So it's not the end of the world. But we'll see if they do it. You know that I like you for tax. Yeah, I think it's actually so I think what well, anyway, so they brought that up about issue too, because if Issue two does pass, this school called Cleveland School and Cannabis
expecting a huge spike. And they've already been doing pretty good business assessments twenty seventeen, so it sounds like since Ohio went legal about within that next year, they've been pretty much teaching, so they've been going strong, I think right now, they're just kind of putting on information because with issue two, especially because like you said, the last one wasn't worded correctly, this one is worded correctly. So they're really thinking that issue too is going to pass
this time. So they're really expecting like a huge, huge, like spike in people coming out, and so that's cool. Their tuition ranges from seventy five hundred to fourteen thousand dollars. It's the only state approved career school for cannabis east of Colorado. Thought that was really cool. It says more than nine hundred people have graduated already with about an eighty percent graduation rate. Holds
about one hundred and thirty to one hundred and fifty people per term. And I, you know, especially within the new age of like you know, this isn't people just growing weed and selling it. This is like there's so much sure and so much things going out with testing and how metric is versus how this is versus how this is, Like there's a lot of rules and
regulation. So I feel like this school could be really beneficial because especially for like you know, you know, sometimes we see issues here in Michigan is sometimes education varies because there isn't that like standard for any education, which is you know, again it comes from people just teaching, so like there is no standard for education yet. But I think schools like this Cleveland School for Cannabis or whatever it's called, are going to try to kind of create a
standard or create a goal. I guess almost like hey, you know, I have this, I know I know this. You know yeah, no, no, no, I like what they're doing. They also mentioned many times in the article that they do not smoke on the job because they're always asked, are you guys smoking the weed? No, no, no, no. They're used hemp, and once the hemp's used, it's disposed, like they dispose the hemp for teaching and everything. There's no smoking. There's
nothing on that in the class, which that makes sense. Yeah, you might be smoking while you're there, but you're not smoking. It's like legit college or legit. Yeah, to be honest, that's kind of a stupid question, Like to be honest, because that's like just because you're learning about alcohol beer, you're gonna drink beer on the job. Like, no, you're not gonna drink on the job. It's not gonna let you smoke weed. On a job, like you're crazy, you can do it. You
know, they're not gonna like, they're not gonna promote it. Even discios don't promote it. That's fucking stupid, Like that doesn't make any sense. Hey, when I did liquor sales, when we had brands coming, we would drink on the job, like literally we would test the product with everybody. It was insane, I know. But they didn't promote it. They're not like putting it out there like, oh, people are drinking on the
job. That's all I'm trying. That's no ship. They're not gonna tell you at school, they're not gonna say it's it's education, dude, That's what I'm saying, Like, that's how they did it. At they were talking about whatever school that was in Michigan that they were discussing. Northern Michigan was doing stuff like that. They were all using hemp, which again, like the issue with that is then you're not getting the exact results that you
would be expecting from cannabis sativa. Right, So, like to me, like that also does hold you back a little bit, but not, you know, not that much. I'm sure all the tests are really ran the same you know, Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I mean they're pretty much similar plants. You might just see different plant structure when they're growing, right, But between an indica, the hemp, and then the suppul sitiva. Do I think education is needed to be a good grower to be
in the industry? No, But do I think it helps, especially if you don't know anyone in industry and you want to be like, yeah, man, I think it's nice because dude, if you don't know anyone in industry, like what else you gonna do? It's just like it feels like if you can't learn someone to be an apprentice with, you go to school.
Same difference. Absolutely, I kind of think education's key. I kind of think you're gonna need Anyone can grow weed, right, but if you want to become a good, good cultivator, I think you're gonna it'd be good to learn from somebody or learn from people that have had experience. See, I think I agree with that, But because like I mean, I've seen I've smoked your weed, bro, and you know, have no fucking education, you're really you know what I mean? So I think what these
schools I did a lot. I had a lot of mentors. Yeah, I get that, but I really learned from many people, right, I get that, But that's what I'm trying to say is you got an apprenticeship. But I think the school is also not just going to teach how to cold bit. I really think that a lot of these standards you're not you can't learn these anywhere besides school or on the job site. You can learn how to grow cannabis from YouTube, but you can't learn standards. It's like
testing and all these That's all I was trying to say. I'm not saying you can't, and it is definitely beneficial. I'm just saying that I feel like the school goes beyond just growing the weed, you know what I mean, They're going on the whole industry. Yeah, no, no, I I get what you're saying. I was just putting an example as a grower for for reasoning, because I just know in my past. I mean, you can, you can read books, you can do whatever. Anyone can
grow weed. But I think over time it's going to have those mentors, even people you can learn from or are check out. Like if you have friends growing, that's a great way to get knowledge as well too. It's because you can have multiple people bounce it off ideas. Yeah, no, sorry, if you're not watching the podcast, you just see Dave's key door slowly open, so I know Molly was just walking in right now. Yeah,
before the episode, I went and got her bed. I was like, all right, Mom, I'm getting your bed because she busted it before we even started recording. Hilarious. Yea, but I agree that I agree with it. I love it because it's good. It's good to be there because like, I'm not gonna get too much into it because when you get into it, and probably the end of the episode, we posted a meme
on highest THC grouve. We created this meme teamwork and it's getting a lot of comments and it, to me, it showed a point that the customers are uneducated, not the bud tenders. A little bit misconception. I do think it their buttenders are a little bit more. But we had a lot of butttenders commenting and they're saying the consumers so very but also some of those bud tenders said newer bud tenders, and I think that's kind of what the
key is. And I think that's kind of like where the the the kind of the the laughing part of the meme came from is that sometimes it's like the Spider Man meme, Like it's like the Budge saying it's the customers, but it's the customers saying it's the bud tenders. And what you're saying, like what we realized it is some people really really care and the education is key, and then some people are just trying to get the best deal and just or just try to make a sale. So like sometimes it's it's just
education, it's key. Like I we definitely you know, that's the thing about that. You can't really blame the bud tenders because that's generalized. You can't blame the customers because that's generalizing because like so really what it is is that there's a lack of education about all these other things that matter rather than this quote unquote THIAC level that's going to quote unquote get you highest. You know where a lot of times I fight some of these higher KAC strains don't
even taste that good. Yeah, whether they're growing good or not, they just don't taste as good as some of this stuff that's like twenty four, twenty five, thirty like you know twenty, like you know what I mean that like not as high as like forty percent range Like what so I don't,
I don't, I don't. You know us We're all about the We're all about the flavors, all about the trash effect, the cannabinoids, the flavi anoids, the turk, all that plays and counteracts each other in a perfectly well balanced and when that hits, that shit just slaps give me eighteen percent all day. That shit is like but a but a check out Groovy's track with chaff called butt where I do I kept saying butter and just reminded
me. But it's great to see this class there. It's cool to see the education because when you're seeing that, we're starting to put education first within the industry. And I think that will change some of these negative perceptions of like high tsg's based blood tenders or it's based on the consumers, because more people start talking about it. There hasn't been enough information out there as well
either. I mean, there's okay, there's information out there, but more and mores come in, more and more continue to come and I think in time we'll start seeing that happen as well. Too, so shout out too. I think what was at the Cleveland School of Cannabis or something like that, And if I'm not mistaken, I think one of our listeners went there. I'm assuming it has to be because he just graduated. And if you're listening, shout out. I won't drop your name, my dude, but
he's working here in the state of Michigan after graduating. And I'm assuming it's the school because he was from Ohio and I think that's the only one in the state, so it's Cleveland. Like, yeah, I think you're you're you're guessing pretty well, you know, yeah, shout out our dude. It worked. He graduated and he has a degree in this. So if you're thinking and he's working, yeah, here in Michigan. He's working for a good brand too, actually his favorite brand that he's enjoyed since the medical
days, because yeah, medical days up here. So I'm not gonna go to any more detail, but shout out our dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if did Dave. I don't know if Candadate brought this up in the beginning, but we were gonna mention like our perfect package idea after just kind of like talk about kind of like packaging a little bit. I don't know if we mentioned that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well I'm excited for that because I really want to reiterate that because
that's how we would end it like that. How what's our perfect ten out of ten? And the reason why we talk about is because we brand it on so many, so many reviews and go through all these reviews consistently with you guys. So we're gonna get into that. But before we get into that, I want to give a quick shout out to our partners uh am I, Loud Flower, Old School Organics, and Emerald Fire. Without you guys, we wouldn't be doing what we're doing. So appreciate you and appreciate
you help us evolve this company that we're building here. Media company that we're building here. You can see you can see their product in any stories throughout the state. If you have any questions on where to get it, just
reach out to us in the DMS. We're pretty quick to respond. If we don't respond, we'll get to later that day, like honestly there so, but before we get into the perfect package, we're gonna jump into a couple of Michigan articles, and I think the first one is Wilson Willie Nelson's cannabis brand is coming here to Michigan. Groovy. Is that true? Yeah, so Willie Nelson's brand. If you don't know Willie Nelson get out from I think that rock. Who's Willie Nelson. He's a musician, uh,
you know, big big country folk, blue artist and just huge. He's been in movies. Blah blah blah blah blah. Long story short. One of the other celebrities coming out with a cannabis brand, calling Willy's Reserve. No, I don't know if I have high hopes for this because I can't tell you how many times i've you know, these brands come out with you know how many cannabis, you know, with how many celebrities, and like, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. Like so it's kind of just
a hit in the dark. And it wasn't a business deal. How far they are behind it, you know, we'll see because I don't really know how you know deep Willy is like behind it. You know, he could be using it to make some money. You know, they give you a TC typical potency whatever, that's all it really has. It really just lists you a bunch of locations on where it's at, you know, that's really about it. Virgu neighborhood, Essential, Traverse City, mood Center, puff
shoot, you know, just random dispels playing for twenty stone depot. So it is. It is grown by ard Vark Indu Indus trees Trees, not industries nice trees. They're the same brand that did Cheeches Stash as well too, because that's who they have on the website. So this could be their thing. You know, they just find a sloppy doors, random parts of their plants, and they just you know, this could just be their thing.
Didn't we try the The The cheese stuff wasn't bad, remember we did their review of the because it was and we were like kind of like for twenty dollars and eights, like, you know, why is there only twenty an eighth? You know, but then we smoked him right home. It
wasn't horrible. Yeah, I know. So I have a little bit more higher expectations for this then, because if you're hopes, yeah, higher hopes compared to like goog Wa that came here, or I guess I've just kind of jaded by the whole oh, I'm putting my name behind a brand. Like now I'm kind of like so like you know what I mean. Like, but after like your fifth time in this happening, you're kind of like
you know, because like it's also hit or miss too. Like the ship we had out like that ice Cube stuff we had on in Vegas was horrible, but like that that out like to Iversen stuff, that Iverson ship we had was fantomatic. Bye, I think I think and I think you know
where I think it comes from. The more and more we keep learning in this industry, it comes down to who they partner with and who the cultivators are of those plants, right right, because when you see because I think some of Iola's Bob we've had in the past wasn't bad, but that Iverson strain did slap, so that was probably good genetics and then they had a good grow on it. Because that was I was. I was impressed. I was like, damn for well, it almost seemed like really on that
end, Alan Iverson wanted his own genetic and that's sweet. But like I'm just like wondering if some of these grows are just crossing strains and like sending them to celebrities until one of them is like cool, I like that enough and they're like cool, run it like they don't know if they really care, they're just trying to sell something. But it was good, so I can't really it was all right, Like it was very like my expectations were low. So when it was like pretty good, it was pretty damn good,
you know what I'm saying. Like the expectation was low. So like I I'm a little like, I'm just I'm gonna keep my I'm gonna keep open minded to this. I'm gonna try to grab it. I think it'll be really I'm gonna try. I'm gonna grab it on lunch at work. Oh dang, Oh that's like right by you. Yeah, when's it? When's it hit the shop? You said? Is it in stores now? Because it doesn't say in the article? Oh, starting to sell Wednesday? Yeah, like today, so tomorrow this Wednesday? Okay, I had checked
the date. That's pretty cool. Actually, yeah, when they're listening to this podcast, it's out today. Ah, yeah, it is today. I even have it in parentheses today, so hopefully I'm right. Otherwise I went to the store. Groovy said it was today, and it wasn't today, liar, follow Yeah, So see how it goes? Man, I try. I'm curious. So he's been like in the he's been a huge advocate for canvas for years. So I see him launch a brand. And if it's by the Chiecha stash, which we tried, which is all right,
pretty good, this is a little bit better. So you we'll keep you guys updated on that. And then this article up in the up groovy. I actually one more before we get there. Before we get there, just have one thing because that one's a little bit longer. Because that one's I have. I've read into that one a little bit, so I want to dig into that a bit. This one's a little bit quicker. Uh. And am my canvas dispensary owner and got hit with the I R S
for obstruction for avoiding tax tax bang uh. And this is what's fascinating to me. It's during twenty eleven and twenty fourteen relieve choices in Warren, Michigan. Do you remember that? I don't remember them at all? Do you remember them at all? I don't know it's one in Warren, but I don't remember where it was. It must be that relief choices. It must
be it. But anyways, I don't think they were open. They routed customer credit card payments through an unrelated third party bank to conceal the business goal receipts. So they're basically like using credit cards on like cannabis sales back in the day. Somehow they were doing some shitty shit. So long story short, the profits derived from Relief Choice Operation Richmond caused a tax loss to the irs more than like one point one five million dollars. So imagine he owns
the taxes on that, which is plus uh late fees. I'm sure the government's not happy. You don't mess with the tax man. You don't mess with the tax don't. No, you don't. Uncle Sam's now when you want a million bucks too, damn damn. And he's got to go to federal because it's a mandatory sentiment. I'm just thinking, how long how many increases in like late fees, but like interest has been a Q ring there too. Oh, you're just scary, scary. That's scary, dude.
I'm gonna go home. What you are home? You can't go home any further. I'm gonna go this is what I'm gonna do. Now we can jump to the up. Oh dang, days really gone? Yeah? All right, yeah, let's the up. I'll let you dive into this article first. This is crazy. Well, there's just a lot. It seems like there's a lot of like yeah, like it's a lot of like it's interesting because it's almost like cannabis against cannabis and hold let me, let me get adapt. This is this is it. This is let me. I'm
gonna get it. I'm gonna get I like it. I like it's dabb oclock. If you're out there and podcast land or YouTube land wherever you're at Instagram face hit a dab. I know you can't borrow my rick from me? Can do Oh my god, what are you dabbing? My dude? Not bad? What what are you dabbing? I don't know cush Masters smack okay, why because I'm about to do cush Masters too, and that debating on them both. So I just been going through it too much. Man.
I just like the it's I get this quality right here. It's not bad. I mean, so you're you're having you're having two dispos The original two get approved and they were Rise and fire Station Cannabis and they're pitted against these five other dispensaries. No, well there's three other dispensaries. But the thing is, like, that's what that's what gets confusing is because they were almost permitted, these three dispols were allowed. That's why I was getting a
little confused because I'm like trying to say it correctly. But the two were granted licenses in twenty twenty one, right, the city granted licenses to rise in fire station. They were supposed to be the only two businesses Menominee. Correct, that's what they said. Then we're delayed because these other five may parent companies Gonna Loom, Nirvana, and hybrid Uh file lawsuits against Menominee itself in twenty twenty one, saying that they I don't know if they were already
in process to doing things. That's where I got a little confused. So, no, they're already open, right, But what confuses me is that they were basically told I know they were open. I'm saying they were basically told they were shut supposed to shut down because of this, yes, yeah, yes, I mean yeah, yeah. It's it's crazy that this is happening because obviously those two dispos want to have probably all the foot traffic.
But also how big is Metamine? Is that a whole county? Is that just a city up in the up because it's just a city and it borders Wisconsin. I believe though too if I'm not mistaken. And with that, I mean, you're gonna see obviously a turf war because that's probably a lot of traffic that's coming through, which is a lot of Wisconsin people coming through
behind their critics and going back. So this is what gets me confused, because the plaint is must turn this court secretlief from the breach the status quo request of media enforcement of the Court's priorities to prevent further in your harm from recurring. So it's like they were allowed to open and then quickly got sued by these people that basically now they're forced to shut down because alongside the rise and fire station, there's another committee that was called. Like that's where I'm
losing it. I can't. There's this article so long, and I read it and I'm just it is a long article. Shots at m I for the article, But it looks like you're supposed to be open since like September fifteenth, right, like and then you're having the other two companies pretty much send stuff to the judge to get these brands to shut down the shops. Oh, here it is Committee to Stop Unlimited Marijuana Shops. That's what it's literally called. So in response to like so this is this is God,
there was so much shit going on. So they the losing marijuana companies meaning the other ones that didn't go through, appealed and convinced the majority of the Menominee City Council to accept settlement agreement. The agreement would award the five company as well as six businesses that threatened litigation licenses. It also allowed unlimited marijuana license in the future and guarantee Monomi would not occur any legal costs that might
arise from the acceptance of the settlement. The marijuana companies would then pay any legal fees. So basically, because of the settlement was basically like all right, since you guys were already like doing the going through the process, we're gonna let you have licenses. But after basically getting those license approved, so they was like only those two could happen, So only Rise and fire Station. Then they those dispos were like, hey, we're already like in process.
You know, we thought again licenses, So I fine, we did kind of say that we'll let you get your license these Now the other two went back to court to sue them or like to do this to appeal. In response to the settlement, Rise and fire Station funded a balance effort by the Committee of Stop Unlimited Marijuana Shops with the attent of allowing voters to possibly reverse the new Settle plan. But it came this. It obtained their required
signatures to get the question on the ballt which is what was needed. Now here's the loophole. This is why I was like really trying to make sure I worded it right. I was getting a little lost because it was multiple times in court. See like they went multiple times. That's why I was like confusing for my brain. Now they found a loophole to block the public
vote. They did this by the repeal the settlement ordinance. They basically got the past six to three, which is almost an exact duplicate of the original version that the original court was about, but the settlement was about. But in this second time around, the new version contained a fifteen thousand dollars funding for the police department and because of how the Menominee City like charter like ballot works. It bans refermendums on ordances that include agency funding, so it made
the change. The change made the new ordance like remendom proof. So basically once it failed, it was like done. So they basically went back and we're like, no, we were going to make sure that you guys don't even get a chance to bring this to the public. So the committee to stop on the a mice chop rise and the fire station that sued over the claims of the violated the Opens Meetings Act. While taking the actions as avert
Revenderment continued to plan to add six new shops. So that's what I'm saying. It's kind of hard to follow, but there's a lot of back and forth with court with like you said, it's a turf war essentially just a legal turf war. So these dispenseries then have to close for good. Are they gonna fighting this? Well, this is what it's This is why.
Yeah, we have Judge Berlin when I have ordered Loom Nerva and Higher Love close unless she was satisfied that the store disobeyed her orders in the city was not moving to close them, said Cox. So I think Cox is the representative of the of Rise or of fire Station. It was one of the other ones. So I I can't tell if it's just fees basically like fees until they shop like a a fee the bay, or they're shut down. It sounds like they're shut down for at least two weeks and then from there.
I don't know if it's like you can open with fees or you just can't open. That's where I was trying to misunderstood, but essentially it sounds like they're closed for now. Interesting. I mean, I don't feel bad for loom. I just it's not that I feel bad than Nirvana if they
if they went through all these legal hoops and built a fucking place. To me, it's like, okay, forget the name, Like I know how we feel about any of these companies, like whatever, right, but just just to be told like, hey, you know you're gonna get you're you're able to get a license in this Because it sounded like they were okay with
whatever amount of dispos and then they ownlimited it back to two. They repealed it, got those six They're okay, we got our approval and they're like, no, no, no, you already told us we were the only two will take you to court, and they basically just reminded it. So that's why I don't understand. Did the dispos just assume they were gonna be able to get a license and start building or were they like almost promised that
like a license, but it wasn't official. And that's the big thing is like just because you're told, hey, you were gonna allow dispos here, doesn't mean they're gonna allow dispos there. You know, yeah, yeah, the government can change my any moment, like until it's like stamped by like everybody. Like so I guess, And that's why, sorry I got confused. After a couple of dabs, I'm like, fuck. So it was
just that's a lot of shit going on just to basically keep control. But you bring up the most valid point of the whole thing being so close to Wisconsin, like that's all that couldn't be like a lot of like traffic for you, Like yeah, because who knows when Wisconsin is going to go legal? Right, because well and because you're not going to drive to Detroit, like it's not like see when you're coming from Ohio, I feel like you have like a little bit of a range because there's a lot of discos along
that border. Or if you feel like driving that extra hour, you can just go to Detroit. Google mentam for me, Just just google it. Just just google it. Why I've been up there and a lot just not a long time. Why am I googling it? Dude? It is literally right next to Wisconsin. It battles Wisconsin like it's literally on the border. That is hilarious. And it's this population of eighty four hundred people. It's
still pretty decent amount of people. I mean, I know, I know it's not a lot, but when I picture up north, I still come. My dad comes from a town that still has like sixty hundred people. So that is just wild to me because you're getting all that Wisconsin traffic right there and off of one to eighty and sixty four and forty one, all those three go right into Menome, right. Yeah, yeah, you literally are right there. Huh that trans right it but into well washed like a
hawk forty one. Yeah. Ah, I mean it's just weird. But dang man, no, man, that's shit crazy. But that's great. That makes sense though. Whole why though two or like the most south because when you look at when you really look at and actually know, I haven't been Menomine. I'm thinking of Marquet and there's a lot of ms up. Okay, so I've never whatever. That's actually what I didn't realize how close it was to actually green Bay. That's the big thing too. It's green
Bay is when it Wisconda's biggest city. So that's that's money right there. Oh ship, I didn't even realize that. Yeah, what I'm saying, like, that's why they fought so hard, Like no, no, no, we're gonna be raking in money for a while. Sorry, that's why I said, I don't. I'm not. It's weird, like from a
business standpoint, you get what they're doing. Get what they're doing. They were told they were supposed to be the only dispos and then you go along and say that they were gonna allow more dispos in that small of a town. You're fucking with someone's money. Of course they're gonna do whatever legally they have to do. It's just also a bummer that it's like cannabis against cannabis, you know, but that's business. I don't know, that's like,
that's tough for me. I feel like you see that happen unfortunately in the industry, because everyone wants a part of that pie. Right. We saw it all on that bottom remember at the bottom strip of Michigan. There was a bunch of dispos fighting for that territory and those billboards and everything. Because we don't want to act like it's not true. But like a good businessman
knows what's happening, Like you know where your ideas are. Yeah, Indiana is completely illegal there just medical like you bad, you're got you got two of them. You got Indiana, who's like never going to go legal. I mean not never they are because I think they're actually talking about it finally, but you have a state that's like fully against it. And then on the Hawaii side, they just couldn't get stuff right, so now they hopefully
get it this year. But yeah, I actually you're right. I actually, for some reason thought menominee, however you pronounce it. I know I'm probably saying it wrong, but I thought it was up higher for some reason, So I thought I passed through it on my way up to like the Key and up an insula, but it's actually down I must have been thinking of Munising. I've never been to that part of Michigan anywhere around there, so I think I've been by Crystal Falls or Iron Mountain. That might have
been the lowest I've been, but I've never been lower than that. Maybe when we went last that was probably yeah, yeah, days, Like, I don't know, was that the only time you've been up to the Up or one time before that? You saw I went a kid. I went as a kid a couple of times with my mom, but that was your first time as an adult? Yeah, I actually, yeah, it tastes
like shit, go up northmore? No, but no, but for real though, well again, like and it's pop up there, like welling up to the Up man, it's like popping you know, Like, yeah, there are a lot of discos and fire station. We went to the festival call by fire station that was called It's not going on. Yeah. Oh but now there's Summer in smoke out, Summer and Summer in smokeout' that's the
one you're at. That's what I'm saying, Summer and smoke out. Well, I haven't gone to it yet, but yeah, like we were supposed to go to last year. We had Neilon from elevating exotics, So that's popping off up in the UP. Elevad East got a couple of dispos so
there's a lot of dispensaries in every major city in the UP. Yeah, absolutely love it, but I don't like the turf for I think they should allow them in if it was the state's fault, the states allowment, I don't know if they screwed it out, well yeah, but think about that though, Like that's very complicated because then the two people that you promised license to to begin with, who are doing great business and then probably giving a lot of tax money to your company, to your city, now you're gonna
like screw them over. But then also those that's my first opinion, which
was eighty four hundred. That's why I was trying to convince. That's why I was trying to figure out from I couldn't understand from that article if you know what, or like I maybe a misunderstood was were they guaranteed those licenses or were they just basically building And because of that like lawsuit, the city was like, okay, fine, we'll just give you licenses because this is too much to deal with because they definitely don't that's yeah, I just didn't
understand that, like what preluded this? And that's where my heads that too. It's like, who's the one that messed up here? Because that's what the side I might land with my opinion on, So I'm curious. We'll pay attention to it. It's just like both sides. But I don't know. I think it's dab time. And then we jump into the Perfect Package
rights an article. No that's all we got left. No, we actually know we're like fifty minutes deep, so no, no, yeah, but the Perfect Package as like, we just wanted to talk about this because sometimes it varies and the like when we do our like reviews and stuff, it's very like, I don't want to say it's variant, but sometimes we'll give an eight or an eight and a half or a nine or a seven,
right, and sometimes they're like this different. So I always wanted to I just want to ask you, man, like what your perfect package idea was, because to me, I have my own perfect package, but I imagine ours are a little different similar in most ways, but I like, you know, like you always bring up genetics, right, you know, being huge to you and like for me, like as much as that is important, I usually just google it, but you're like, that should be right
there because if you see it, the convenience of knowing you like one of
those strange genetics and it hits well for you, Like it's beautiful. And we always talk about wanting to list terpene so you can at least get an idea of how the flavors should taste if it's smoked, if it was growing correctly, right you see, oh hey it's got let me knee baby care offleen, And you're you're hitting all my point right, Well, no, I'm just trying to say, like, but like what would be the like you know, what's what's most important you to like, what's the least important
you when you're looking at a package? So I guess I was just trying to start with two things that I know we have in common, that we like, wish and hopefully an yeah yeah, absolutely take notes companies. I'm just kidding. You don't have to take notes. Do what you want, uh well, grade at how we want uh to two points. What I hate is when you just put t c percentage, not even CBD percentage to test eight because that's mandatory product I'm like, all right, really real,
real, real cool there. I know, sometimes it just happens. We can't really. Yeah, but you can't count strain name or like with the date it was produced and stuff, because like that that's mandatory. So I'm saying, I'm saying, when you have that, it becomes just basic to us. Now, what I prefer if I was like, oh, this is like kiss kiss, like you know what I'm saying, it would be lineage of the strain because I want to know the lineage because that is some
of my favorite. Then second would be terpenes. I love knowing the terpenes because then I know the flavor, the smell before you go to MLA fars. Let me finish, because there's just pretty much. I was gonna say, this is probably one of my better ones that I've seen, but keep going. They have They even have the breeder of it, which is opposite like when you have the breeder who bread that seeds, and then you have the and then you know the cultivator because that's the brand, and then on
top of it breaks down the strains. You can't beat that. Terpenes. I'd like to have like top FREEVORC for you and then if you have photos of the flavors and taste, that's even uposit like how Element does on their packaging. They have flavors or symbols. And yes there are partners, but listen, we fell in love with this before we even knew them, like, and that's what made has brought. This is one of the best packages ever. It brings up everything in candidate. I love the fact that he
brought up the pictures with Element. It's also with them. Element might have been one of the first ones I saw, but that because if you don't understand what lemonine is, baty carre afeling is, you can see a picture and understand. My last thing, My last thing I want to say, sorry sorry, is a dark container. Oh that's good. So that was good. So the flower and concentrates are good. And bank they hit it like I mean, it's almost like they hurt us because like we cannect it.
And that's what's funny. We always laughed about that before and again now are they are our partners and we love working again shut out at my love flower. Yeah. I think honestly, they have the best packaging in the game with it. I mean, it's in a nice because this is my end this and they have a nice little saying hold on so they have a nice saying that says slow cured hand trim, never remediate it. And now this is something I want to bring up and use their example because don't they
hit all the points that we love. But like having that on your package is a flex right now, and I think if you get ahead of it before it becomes mandatory, then it's really shows how coffee you are in your product. So I think the remediation is the one thing I want to bring up with the Perfect Package is I think if you just showed those little details of things, it's gonna go a long way. Agreed. Agreed, man, I mean they honestly hit it. They got like the perfect package,
like they hit, they hit on everything. Obviously that's main that's good for flower, right, but I want that for concentrations well, and that's why I'm all that maybe you put a QR code that goes to the terpenes and then that showcases to the top percentages, and then that also showcases different flavors as well. I've seen on some of these tests what it could taste like. So I mean then you're hitting two things right there. I do like the QR codes. I love the QR codes because, like you know,
you can get all the information, you get more information. My issue is then what if you don't have a phone on you, like you know, I mean, it's just kind of nice to to look at it and be like, all right, here's my facts. So I definitely think the QR genius. I love the QR code. I'm not saying I don't. I
think the QR code is great. I think it's super convenient. I just think that there's something there's nothing that compares to just being like, here's your facts, you know what I mean, and you're right there, and with a pre roll you can't fit all that shit on there. So the only thing you can do is a QR code. So unless you have a like seven times, but then that's becoming a waste in my opinion, for like
a one print roll. But there's to be though. You needed that though for that donut though that was not all that was for some reason, all them around me, I really didn't even plan on this. While we're talking about packaging and almost that that seven to ten donut slabs. Yeah, the thing is that back to this don't well to the the packaging was all right, and it was like it had a lot of stuff that we want on here, right treated genetics. I like that it tells you kind of like
that what the rat waxes and what the flower is. But again, you know, like you know, then it starts going down to like little just like marketing things like colors and design and what is it too bulky? Is it bulky? Is it is it too? Is it perfect? You know what I mean? Things like that is where you start getting those bonus points in packaging. But I think they would be dope too. Yeah, I'm
surprised we haven't seen that take off. And I don't know if that's maybe just durability or lifespan of the products or what because we've seen them at mj biscom, but we never really see those take off. I bet should they lose terps or it probably does something to the concentrate. It's for the flower, It would have to, because that's actually a good opinion because why is everyone sticking to my lar? And then like a different I great point though,
man, that would be a perfect packaging. That's the next step is uh, you know, being able to throw out a pre roll container and like hopefully know that it's not ruining the environment right right, because the cannabis does have a specific well pre roll specifically man and disposable cars. Man, all these cars everything is nowadays, those are waste. That's true. I was sticking away containers. I'm like, well you could reuse containers. Yeah,
I got, I got what you're saying. No, that makes sense,
I know. I mean we did expand it because we're talking about packaging, but we do have a big waste within the industry as a whole, and that's something that eventually, hopefully there's something that we can do, anything that you think make a better package, like anything that's missing right now, anything that is missing obviously, if we if there was flabonoids, if anything's like that, we could put on the packaging more cannabinoids, if there's more
CBG instead of just always see D because I think CBDs like the most common you see. Obviously, some of these plants do have other other cannabinoids in it, so seeing more of that honestly my favorite thing. Like the future, I think like like am i lafar, I'll take them, for instance, their guava juice or their bowser any any when you have a staple strain within your brand, I truth, this is I don't know. This is probably what I would do. I would build a custom I build you'd have
a website, right because every brand has a website. I would hope, especially with social media, you want to have a website. So I would build a custom landing page with a QR code on the packaging, and you would just label everything in it. You would have the strain name, the breakdown of the strains. I would have a description of how you're gonna feel. Is it concentrate, is it flour. You might feel this with concentrat,
you might feel this with flour. Because you're giving them all the information. You can include the terpeens, you can include the pictures. You can even include photos of the product if you want to see it there too, like the whole landing page on it. That would be my ideal. That'd be the ideal. Take them all to your website because once they fall in love with that, I think in general, you're gonna want to go check out all the other people do like that. You've seen people do that.
It's it's very because then you can get to know the product on a deeper level, you know and stuff. Yeah, that's like the next level because you just more of a description at that point because like everything else after that, you'd be pretty much ready labeled, like one by one by one by one by one. I do like description how you feel and maybe like you know that type of stuff. I like that. I like that a lot.
But I think you're right. I think nail on the head is a lot of the past stuff on the patching has been hit, but for some reason some people don't want to do it. And it may be because they're not hitting the numbers where they can flex or whatever. But it's like, you know, I still feel like as a user and what you're consuming, you the more you give, the more trust that consumer is going to give to your company. Dude, right on the heat on that man, especially
with cannabis. As it's a beginning to still grow, Like you're trying to get that repeat customer, right, because once you get that repeat customer, you know that your product's going to sell at X, Y and Z shops, you'll be able to deliver this amount. You start needing more product when you're not giving that, especially when you're not giving that to the customer, and they're going to try a bunch of different brands like Little Wins like that
are things that can might keep a customer. Right, the more information you give them never remediated, right, Like some of that stuff stands out to people, but some of it might not. And then the basic brands, they're always going to be there, right, some of them, and they'll be able to still get a little bit of a pie. But I think you want to make a name for yourself, and I think education and giving as much information to the consumer as possible is gonna be key to keeping that
lifetime value or that repeak customer. Yeah, how many times I think, like a restaurant that cooks you a great steak or a great food, you trust their chef. You're going to go there, right, You're gonna continually go there because you've had a great experience. Buying cannabis should be a great experience. That's why we talk about the entrage buck. That's why we talk about cannabinoids and terpenes, because you want that youbout that experience when you're smoking
it, that enjoyable moment. Not everyone smokes like, Yeah, you bring up food and that's actually a great analogy because it's like almost like going to a place where they're like it's a sirloin steak versus like this is a wago blah blah blah. You know, it's a very descriptive specific age for thirty six hours. Like yeah, right, that's a good analogy because that is
the difference. But that's how the difference. You got to look at productause some weed is just shit, I'm trying to smoke, and some shit is like, you know, that next level, And like I think everyone wants to be that next level and put the marketing out like they're that next level,
but it's that's not where everyone's at. Yeah, And I think in general, I think a lot of the brands that put time and effort to the packaging and they really care about the product as a whole, and you tend to see that within the end product itself, right, I mean because when you're putting seeing that overdoing these reviews over time, that the people who do put a little bit more detail into their you know, not always though, there are there are those people who I talk shit, I'm just like,
oh, you know, you just flashy marketing, flashy packaging like and instance ends up being booth. But like, I think you're right when someone puts into that, like I want to be unique. I want it to look like this, Like they have a vision. I think they care about their product because they it's closer to their heart. Yeah, less to their wallet. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree with pointed at you on the screen, but you're you're over there tennically like I still nodded.
Yeah, I only got one, so it's just going straight back at you your Texic one. Groovy here, I got three days. I can see three days right now. Damn sound there's a small little anyways. Yeah, no, that was today's episode. A lot of news, like updates because we have we've been doing other stuff with the episodes. But there's a lot of going on in the rest of the United States, you know, some stuff going on Michigan, perfect package. What else we talk about?
I think I'm missing something south By Southwest going the psychedelics over Cannabis US more so more so room uh oh. In the Rochester thing that's being voted on. The two votes so those were both happened yesterday day. Rochester, don't say so we'll see where we're at. Hopefully we can make we'll have some
updates for you with Rochester and with Ohio. Will Yeah. Also, fortunately we're just we're going to talk yeah sorry, sorry, no, no, we are going to talk about those two on the weake and make some make sure they're nine am. But we're also going to be talking about highest TAC percentage with an industry between bud tenders and consumers, pretty much about her meme. We're going to bring that up and have a conversation on the wake. Oh yeah, we're going to try to get to that, but we're already
already hours. That was the last That was the last topic. And since we didn't get to that, you guys are first to hear that, and we want to talk about we were going to talk about anyways, it might be kind of cool. It would actually probably be better to talk about that
on a live so we can get people's comments live and engagement. Yeah, I'm really curious because this is you and me are going to have the same thoughts and be like yep, yep, yep, yep, but like we have different people in the chat or a bud tenders experience, you know, and I've had it both ways. I've had the bud tender who's amazing, and I've also had the bundander who's just like this is the best THC,
you know, like the highest TC. And then I've also overheard customers who just walk in there and they're like, what's gonna get me the most high? Like I don't know, bro, like who are you? Like? You know, what do you like to smoke? Like on trage effect? But it's like sometimes people just want to hear bigger number, more higher,
and it's like where it's complicated. And that's why I think we thought, to me was interesting because we were just trying to like bring up a point that I think we think it's education, especially after all the comments we've been getting like it kind of some people are like, oh fact, some people are like oh no, and it's like really, it's like whoever is the more educated person seems to be like the other person doesn't care as much,
you know, And that's that's sometimes the weird thing in this industry is not everyone cares the same, you know. Some people just trying to like get high and smoke the cheapest shit they can for the hot best like deal but some people are trying to smoke that that Canta guava nava Turpy Dean shit. You know, I was trying to you know, some people get really obsessed in Canady, like Gloe's Kobe. Well yeah, exactly seeing somehing like that.
Like it's like some people are very obsessed and it's just there's levels, I guess, And I think, well, same thing with butt tenders, like right, same thing with customers, right, No, absolutely absolutely, And it's just a pensation. I mean, it'll be a good conversation I have because I can bring up my buttender experience as well too on Saturday I did. I was buttender for a while, and it's just gonna be a good conversation. I don't know. And if you don't get the joke to
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