The Fifth Age Interview

Yo, what's going on? Everybody. Welcome to a new episode of My Cannon Cast. I'm Canna, Dave, I'm groovy. On today's episode, we have special guests Josh, founder and CEO of Fifth Age. Thank you for joining us today. Yeah, guys, it's good to be here. Watched a bunch of the reviews. Oh yeah, well we're going because they're mostly good. I'm saying, I see the review come through, and that's like, that's why we're honored for you to be here. I'm just waiting

for the one where you guys like one one out of Tanning. I'm gonna go back in my lab and just start flipping tape. Do this. No, but seriously, like we've been seeing you collab with like Ghostbuster Farms shout out like a dog house, like a bunch of collaps high tech. We did some stuff with gold Kind Iliad grow in, sant O Farms, Crunk Sewer is a new one, Voyage Bloom which is an up and comer. Those guys are good old school organics. Jason, Yeah, actually we did.

The story is hilarious. So so I get introduced through my friend David g. Lh okay and uh and basically I'm talking to Jason, talking to him a couple of times, like, yeah, you got to come out to the facility. I'm thinking he's in the middle of nowhere, you know. It's like, yeah, sends me the address. It's four blocks away from my facility, like like I could like, legit, hit a golf

ball and hit his building, dude. So I was just like it came by, and now you know, we run their stuff and he's incredible. By the way, they're flowers, unbelievable. Ultimately, we tried him in the High Times Cup last year when we got on the bag and that's what turned us on to him. It was really good, clean flowers, smoked good. I tastey all the way through the rosin dumped and it's just like covered down the level three away the sugar cones. Incredible and slapped to try

that. Yeah, So yeah, I've been seeing We're gonna jump in a little bit ahead. Ye's skill a little background, I mean just a little bit like when where's fifth age? Yeah, when the fifth Age start and where you guys located. So the fifth Age started in man, I want to say, like may no, no, no, no, no, fifth the age started in February last year, twenty twenty two. Uh, we're big gas, big gases coming back, by the way, big gas. They Yeah, that's awesome, dude. We know those carts and that's

from the medical days back. Yeah, we were yeah, pretty good listening. If you're not familiar, they've been around here, miss, yeah, because I saw it like five and dime. Yeah, way back. Remember we did live ros and pens and that was like our yellow our beat. Yeah. Yeah, we have a high octane and all that stuff. Um but yeah, so waiting for hydrocarbon to get approved that's a whole fucking debacle. But basically I was like, all right, let's get into this rosin

thing. I was like sixteen months ago or something before the facility opened. Yeah, and um, I have a tech background, like we talked about, I've been making equipment, you know, doing R and D processes for like a long time. Yeah. Me and the team started to make a rosin. We were like, there's a lot of holes in this right, Like the process you mean, yeah, it's just like a little bits like

cumbersome. Like a lot of the principles from hydrocarbon I like prost processing are super super similar, like just prescribing terpenes like that being the whole beat, you know, and so we kind of looked at it and we're like, all right, well this doesn't make any sense. This doesn't make any sense, and you know your own way. Yeah, how can we improve? How can we get like the whole goal with any type of oil extraction? Real goal and actually just two one extract it right? Pretty money? Yeah,

the next podcast, I can bring a machine in here. I can teach you how to extract like twenty five minutes. Okay, But what the art comes in, like science and art mixed, is basically how you post process. Like that's everything, like how you treat the oil afterwards, because there's either solvents or water, got to press it. And every time you like put forces or energy or you affect it in any type of way, you're losing terpenes. You know, they're like off gassing off it because they're

just volatile. Right, So because like the low tempts or is it just because that's the first to go well, any type of temperature. It's like, um, why do you smell something, right, like like cutting orange in half and smell it. Why do you smell it? It's because it's particles are evaporating off of that Turpenes are evaporating off that orange and they're going into your nose. Right. Yeah, the same thing's true with oil,

except for it's like all exposed and everything's really really volatile. So our whole deal is like, how can we take it from the extraction to the final product without losing with losing the least amount of product, like the least amount of turpians, And that is really where you come in. So the Fifth Age comes from one I'm a Lord of the rings nerd, okay, So it's basically it's like the fourth Age was like the end of all that jazz, and like the Fifth Age, I thought it was kind of cool.

My friend came up with that. Yeah, huge, and we're massive nerds. No, no shaving that at all, um. And then it also was like the fifth Age because we're gonna we're ushering in new pieces of technology over time, and that's the new age. Is when I was exactly what

it's about. That's the true that's the true thing behind it. So it's like we're gonna be bringing in over the next year and a half, like specific pieces of technology that are gonna like change the game, Like soon we're gonna be not using any water to actually make our our bubble hash all so I thought it was just water and yeah, so the water is just a carrier. It's like a medium you're suspending and you're agitating. You're suspending the

trick comes you filter them out with any medium. Yeah. Yeah, we're just not going to use any water, No solvents, no nothing, just good old mechanics and physics. Got a couple of things that work out in that one. So the other stuff's coming fast because I faster. Actually it's here. That's the secret jars you guys have. It's the first line off the new tech. That's these no, no, not us, the improvement of the other processes, the waterless thing. I still have to stop making

mistakes while I try to make it. But yeah, the goal is like hopefully mystery stuff we're not allowed to know the name. But damn. So that comes from mid grade material. Okay, it actually got kind of screwed up in transport, all right. They didn't put it, they didn't put enough with something in it to keep it the temperature. I wanted kind of thought out mid grade material, and that couldn't tell that shit is fire delicious. That's that's all the process. There's like barely any terbs. That is

only a two hour dry process basically. Really yeah, So what I'd like to do is somewhere near the end or whatever you guys have you guys have got a rig try towards the end. I was about to take one now now right now. My only my only request is that five ten like four oh, I always do five hundred at max, like at like say I got my puff stay strafed, you know. Okay, that's the proper that's

the proper tech for it. Man, I'm a melter. I don't want to like if yeah, that's what I'd rather just click the fucker again, you know, and like get off the rest, right, I just get the flavor and all the good show. Actually here, you want to put it on the Canic camera real quick? Yeah, and this is Rosin correct as we're looking at it. Yes, that is Rosin. Look at that gorgeous he pulled up towards the camera a little bit. I mean, you

can see how nice would contecture. Look at that. It's beautiful, batter. You can see this like nice shine to it even dude, I'm super I'm super hard on our product. Like I'm really really hard on our product. Like I don't really think I've made great batches, you know, just because I'm like always searching for this thing I don't know to dab in here. I'm not even sure if it like exists. I take this damn first. I have a dabty from earlier because I love here's some of your product

that you've done. Man, Like, we're just saying it is phenomenal. H Well, it's standard across the board, you know, and that's why you said mid grade product. Like we would have never known what any of the product because the quality you push out is like a standard, you know,

like for your own stuff, and I appreciate that. Well, that's all processes, man like I said, that's all my team and like my you know, my past team, everything all of us working together to kind of like this isn't like one man show, by the way, but like all of us working together come together with ideas to like try to make the best possible product. I'm just hard on the product because I want to be like here all the time, and it's just like the hardest on ourselves.

You know yeah, yeah, you know, you kind of sit there and you're like, uh, this probably could have been a little bit better. That could have done this. So does product so like I mean, I guess for all the listeners out there, especially because a lot of people are home pressing. I know he's home pressed. Um does does the quality of the product matter as much? Because it does? Okay, so you're saying

even yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is this is my point where the process earlier is the current paradigm of making rosin the process is like does not lend itself to preserving the thing that makes rosin great. So the so there's a difference. Like um hydrocarbon is a solvent based extraction. It's a non polar extraction, means it's only polling non polar compounds off your plant, which is like a good portion of them that there's water soluble and alcohol soluble

terpens that you're not going to get with solvent extraction. That is not an extraction. Rosin's not an extraction. Bubble hash non extraction. It's a separate technically, but it's a separation process. That's really what is You're separating full old tricombe heads. You're not dissolving them. You're not making like extractions like when you when you have a solvent and you bring it in you you know, it washes and makes you remember high school like I don't know it's high

school maybe younger science classes. Like sugar in water or salt in the water. Okay, salt, Yeah, salt is a is a solution and the sugar is a mixture. Right, it's being suspended. Right, So the solution the salt and water is what you're doing with hydrocarbon or solvent based extracts. You're actually making a solution. Rosin is not making a solution. It's it's a suspension. It's a mixture. It's sugar in water. Like if you if you leave it to its own devices, it just completely separates.

Right. I can put hydrocarbons and oil together and a pressurized too, they'll stay there forever, you know. So so basically what's going on the whole point of that is king full trichomheads, like full trichomheads with everything in it. You're not being selective like a solvent, so all the other terps. That's what makes rosin so much more flavorful. In my opinion, that makes

sense. This is coming from a hydrocarbon boy who like made fun of rosin for like, well, I mean, coming from big gas that was definitely done different, but I was a pH boy. It's funny because I've always considered an extraction, but I kind of like that methodology that you're saying because it's a totally different process in the sense of because you're not you're just kind of making it more compact, like less separating the T and the It's about

like the whole point of rosin, especially about front end processes. How can I get the trichom heads isolated so that when I press them out, I'm getting all those other terpeenes that I wouldn't get with a solvent, Right, So that's why I like, I don't know if you guys ever had like a pineapple or like a berry on hydrocarbon and it doesn't taste like it, But then you get it with rosin, it tastes exactly like a real strain

because all those other terpeens you're not getting solveing basic stress. So it's interesting when we talk about it before, when we said solve it, we thought that they were getting burnt off or something in the process that was essentially changing the flavor palette. So like, I mean not too far off. That

does happen, That's right, that's because it happens a lot. I mean, I'll be to me personally, That's why I love rosin because when you just it tastes exactly like what the plant does exactly, just minus that plant taste. That's the whole point of rosin in my opinion. But the problem is is the process does not lend itself to preserving all of that goodness on

the way out. One, because you put in a freeze driver for fifteen hours like vacuum temperature that it's gentler than just naturally drying it, but you're still evaporating something for a long time, right, And then you have to take it over to a press where you're heating the plates to you know, one hundred and thirty to one hundred and sixty degrees fahrenheit right activating You can activate THHC at two hundred to twenty right, so like you're getting that close.

And then you're putting it under two plates, pressurizing it through a filtrate and filtered bag, and then you expect it to have all those terps. There's nothing more I hate than the press. Like as soon as I get as possible, But as soon as I can get rid of the press, you're going to see real product come through because the terping tasks between the sift and the rosin. Like we're losing a ton pressing a ton. You can smell it. The whole fucking lap smells like cush every time we like press

a single bag. Oh yeah, you smell it when I when you're doing I'm pressing, I've pressed flour or not. That's interesting because that smell is actually bad then for the product because you're smelling it, but you're like, it means you're losing. That means you're losing it. That's my whole lot of ters. Yeah, smooth, losing a lot of terts. That'd be crazy. If you get rid of the press, I'd be interested if you do. I wish I've been working out the thing forever that's elusive. I'll

tell you that. Yeah, I mean definitely made from that. It sounds like you have that engineering mindset too, so like you're definitely the one that's going to be able to like figure that out. If anybody, I certainly hope. So I would share that one for sure, most of the most of the techne myself, for better or for worse. But like that one, I would share, Well, you'd be evolving the taste of everyone's rosin, you'd be improving rosin. I just hate it so much that I just

can't believe you're losing that much. Like, so when you're testing, is the amount of terpenes that you're losing that you're saying, Yeah, you're not losing TC or anything that's not going to boil off. That's tough, ter that's hot, any like ratio or like amount percent? Why is your Well, it depends on how you press in the temperature, right, So if I go too high a pressure, I'm gonna lose more this time, lose less that time. And I know you do flour, I mean you do.

It's all hash, right, it's all pushed out. Yeah yeah, But even then it's like the point is is like no more, let's like get rid of this thing. Like if anyone's got an idea, you know, the fifth age official, give you a fucking job, dude, you know, like that falled out right here Josh Bright below Josh Mayo, please similar resume with with an example willing to sign NDA. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean realistically, what this is, by the way,

what this is about is this is about our new dry process. Okay, so we're taking something that's taking about fifteen hours most people some people pretty good, just six or eight. That was two hours in the dryer, completely dry. I've an active water meter. There's no water left in that and there is okay, and this had water in the extract. It wasn't because you lowered the process. Because I mean essentially, if you had no water in it, wouldn't the whole process be expedited? Like oh yeah, once

I get rid of the water. Yeah, that's a totally different ball game. So how are you drying it them for two hours? Dryer in just two hours? And just two hours and it's completely dry. Under point under point four three that was, which is pretty low. I mean, flower is supposed to be under point six five point six one. I was about

to ask, I don't know the numbers is a standards. So it's like, so it's aw active water and I measure it with a water activity meter one being wet wet, and then like point six five too, is like anything under that flour mold and all that stuff can't grow. We go a little lower than that because we don't want it like sizzling or anything. Well, I mean this might not be this might be off off topic a little bit, but like you ever have like the sound where it's like sick it

pops. Is that water being left over in the wax or is that sticon? Think that was like yeah, you know, like oh, what's in this bautanees leftover? So I'm like just going back to hydrocarbons. Yeah, I'm happy to be doing having this conversation. Okay, So hydrocarbon definitely maybe okay, but what it could also be is like, okay, do you guys know terpenes or hydrocarbons itsutane propane all right, or hydrocarbons terpenes, most

terpenes or hydrocarbons as well. There's there's super the chemical structure is super similar. It's like interesting, the difference between carbon atoms basically is what you get. So um, that sizzle could be just like super high terpenes or somebody fucked up the purge processes. That's what I not it was. I just didn't know, testing at five hundred pm. Like, it's not it's not that it's it's not the beautane. It's it's probably just super It mostly probably

happens like sauce and shit. Yeah, yeah, again, it happens less with rosin. I just know, I remember back in the day, you didn't get some dabs and what the hell did I just do? What is it? So? Yeah, exactly, the somebody sucked or they made really really good shit. That's funny. It goes one way or the other. Yeah, it's really bad or really good. Yeah, either somebody has too much solvent or a ton of terps. There's you know, that's kind of

the trade off there, you know. But with rosin, there's like a bunch of other stuff too, Like nobody's getting fats and lipids all their rosin. I mean, there's a couple of guys that are trying. I've seen the rosin from it. It's kind of ugly, you know, and I

don't trust it. And the guys that are doing like the other fatless one is like they're distilling off terpenes and then they're and then they're like pressing out the THHCA and then recombining them but like missing this other whole host of things. We have seen that process where they're separating and recombining. Again. I don't, I can't. I'm not a scientist. But the flavor just tastes

weird. Yeah, it's never they'll be like, oh, here's sunset Sherbert and it's like it's not You're like, tastes like a pepper all to get the fat out. It is like I'm smoking weed anyways. Man. It's not like it's there's not a carcigen in there, you know. So it's like there's a little bit of everybody who's you know, like, oh, I don't want any lipids in my stuff, and it's like smoking a fucking

Newport stuff more healthy. Yeah, but there's a difference. Really. What it's about is like we don't want pesticides, we don't want a ton of heavy metals, okay, and we don't want your fucking solvent, right, get rid of those things everything else. We've all been smoking weed for how long a long you guys been smoking weed? Eighteen so it's fourteen years, okay, Well, you know probably have smoked a lot of fucking pesticide. Oh, all them clean and I smoke. I don't even want to know.

Yeah, that's my point. It's like we're in the era where like we're getting clean cannabis. It's like it's way cleaner, and stop complaining, you know. It's like it's like, now, just complain about flavor. I will complain about remediation. I don't think you know what I mean, You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna throw some bullshit and like that. That's rough, you know what I mean. But you're not gonna catch me or any

like any craft guys. Realistically, they're really the ones worth. They're salid. They're not doing that ship. And even then, if your stuff fails and you need to remediate it, just send it to hydrocarbon because I say process process, the process in the rosin, but processing in the hydrocr Yeah, it'll only be good to go. Amadible is just making something that you know they can can process and all that crack and go it. Yeah,

but it's just I don't know, do you guys do? And you hydra like fifth Age, you guys are just rosin right, Like, so I split the brands for a while, it was gonna be big, big gas and it was gonna be big gas rosin so I actually this was on marketing by the way, I see you. You we talked about the marketing company work for and all that. But uh, it's like I wouldn't market a car the same way I would market a motorcycle for the most parts, well,

the two different markets. I mean, I know you're saying car like hydrocarbon versus I just think they're two separate type of like still oil smoker's just a little bit different demographics in my opinion. And also I big gas,

I want to market a different way. The fifth age has like a purpose, right, fifth age is like me trying to me and my team trying to like perfectly capture a tricome off a grower from a grower fresh rows and two us perfectly capture that tricome and then give it to my consumer perfect like you're getting everything that the grower intended for that craft, that high level craft. By the way, it might be fucking impossible, but I want to

you know what I mean. Like, so it's like no, but I like that because again not to assume, but that makes sense because then now you can do whatever with a big gas is it is it value your goal with big gas. Big gas is gonna be a lot of just no distolate straight up like live reson in the car, a little bit of cured reson in the car because a lot of them in the market. And that's gonna

be. That's just my car company for not saying they won't make live ReSm like dabbabble oil le make some of that Market's kind of weird for that right now. But I just want to get a big gass is just about putting super gassy like fire stuff out. That's like my party string. Like I I personally am not like I wouldn't want to go out with a rosin pen as much as I want to go out like a live rosin pen. I

don't know why they flow better, they hit better in my opinion. Yeah, actually, I was gonna say, it's more like for me when I'm out partying and like I might have a drinker. I'm I'm partying right so like I'm in a different mood. I'm smoking joints. Like if I'm at home, that's when the rosin's more for tasting. Yeah, it's my morning, Like we hit me and him say whenever we have both will dab the ros in the morning and then when I'm already high, like they you just

do the other ship. You know. Yeah, it's not that it's bad. It's just that flavor. Yeah, it's like still gets me high. That's the whole thing. That's like to me. That's like the it's a difference between like a good restaurant, like a good one and a Michelin Star restaurant. You know what I'm saying, Like you get that good in between there um not saying that the restaurant wasn't good, you know. Oh I hear you though, if you get a tasting menu at a two start.

One of my old roommates used to like cook at a Michelin Star. It's just like crazy the different levels because the pictures and the ship. He would I would talk about it, like dude, what I would eat like a burger, you know, and he's talking about this encrusted with this, with this soap with this, and like whatever. Even then everything's in trouble butter, But I'm not complaining about at all. But it's just like food. You guys said it earlier. It's about flavor, and you gotta rose on

sbout flavor. It's the same thing, yeah, the same thing with like the difference. Uh. I see hydrocarbon being more like um, let's say, Budweiser, I want to do that, the hydrocarbon oil like that. But it's like bells, you know, and then you got your like four fifty Norris like you're good one, you're super good ones. It's like the wine differences, right. Yeah. I mean I like your restaurant analogy because there's tons of restaurants that are great that aren't mission the start, but they

have amazing food. It's still gonna have good product, but it's like you're not trying to like necessarily only folks on the best of the best. You know. You're also like this is you know, I'm processing to make money. You know too, it's a business, you know. And big Gas,

I mean, if it's anything like it used to be. That was like one of my favorite cards, which is funny, bro, Bro, I'm telling you, like the what I understand now, I keep saying that what we understand about making oil from here to from then till now for a big gas is completely different, completely different. The cards that we're gonna be producing are gonna be amazing. So really excited, no dislip full like full spectrum, really good, really turpy. The only problem is the fucking hardware,

because every that's the hardest part because that ship just leaks. Yeah, I feel bad because guy, a lot of guys are getting a bad name, like other cards leak and all that. It's like, it's not them, it's a hardware company. They're actually if I get a leaky cart, I'm gonna be pissed because I spent some money on it, but I'm gonna be like, damn, that was probably gas. So explain to me,

like exwain to everyone here listening, why is that a good thing? Well, it means that sticky abundance of Turpin's okay, So like that cart cannot hold on to that liquid in there. It gave either the carts fucking trash, right, but most of them are pretty good, you know, but

it was so thin when you heated it up that stuff. The closer you get to this to water, I just like tired, like I put it there, and so the closer you get to this, but not taking anything away with it is the goal because then you're talking like if it's if it's super fluid, all right, you really really want. That's a ton of terps. I don't know. I'm a turps guy, like I could think

we've seen in the terps always go to the top. They're like that dark or darker liquid that's like I don't know if it is it lighter that rises the top right later. Well, it's oxydization, so the colors oxydization. It's it's it's pretty mixed. It's a solution. It's pretty mixed up. But they won't they won't step right too much unless someone did like a bad

job at activating or whatever. But the whole reason I want the fluid, I want it to be a good fluid is I did my job really well because in my opinion, oil is about extracting the most amount of terpenes out of your product, and like that's the goal, at least my goal. Some people sell th HCA and they're trying to get you highest, like super

high. I'm trying to give you a really good experience, you know, not that you don't want you stone right, but I feel you though, because the higher t HC it always never gets that that same terpenes, like you always lose terpeenes the higher teats. Yeah, well, I to a certain degree. Right, there's like at about ninety two percent, Like once you start encroaching on ninety two percent THHC, then you're encroaching in your turps

and you start affecting them. Yeah, because I don't really see anything that's just like raw, like nobody took anything out of it, Like, no one took anything out of it. I don't see anything that's like a raw oil that's you know, over eight nine ten percent unless they're like doing some chromatography and then or some shit, you know, but just like raw extraction and good extraction, getting over ten percent live resion pretty fucking impressive, you

know. So ninety two ninety start you starting croaching on those terpens like a little bit so, but also you need you need terpenes. So like here's a here's a good topic. You guys know what the you guys know what the bioavailability of THHC is. I no, no, you guys got that. Got the Google machine on that you can pull up real quick the internet. Yeah, Google the bioavailability of THHC. Bio say it again, the bioavailability of THHC. It's going to come up to be the first thing it's

going to give you a percentage. Uh. Oral biotability of THHC is six percent plus or minus three percent of oral consumption of food product and ten to twenty percent after consumption of cannabis. Extract interest about it follow insulation, which ranges from ten to thirty seven percent. So that's max. So every edible you've eaten in ever in your life, Okay, we'll see you had one hundred milligram edable. You're like, oh, I got super roasted off one

hundred milligram edible. Now you didn't. You got super roasted off like sixteen milligrams. So your body you can break down x amount percent of that. So if you're eating five milligrams, you're intentionally telling me you're eating like a milligram. And those people are like wow, Because I have people that'll be

like, well five milligrams is enough for me. Oways like wait a second, Well that's the thing too, is well everybody scales off to see ten to thirty seven percent of that Hunters, you're actually talking ten to thirty seven milligrams at max, and a's at max max. Now there are guys who do like nano multiplication. Drop right now, man and like and surfactants and all that shit. They mix them up and you get you get edible. It says like micro fluid eyes or whatever. The ultra homogenized what do they

want to call it? Right? Yeah, and that'll allow your body to process it more effectively. Okay, So with the presence will surfacted, which basically just makes like a polar compound attracted a non polar compound. Your body will absorb more of it because your body is an anqueous environment. Okay, same thing goes with smoking it, same thing goes. I don't care you fucking injected. I mean the same same shit. Realistically, what I don't

recommend doing. No, no, this is injection. Like check out the TC like that. Don't do that. I'm just talking about it right out. But I had this idea because I was listening right, I was like, oh god, I hope we did that will go viral for sure. Okay, you guys want to skyrocket the thing? Somebody boot up? Oh yeah, just like what was that one stuff that one famous Canna bumps? Did you see that image when it was online? I don't know if it was real or not, but oh I wish it was twenty Again, dude,

this is awesome. So man, yeah, a little bit of energy, maybe mix it, make a little cordwn so so smoking some weed anyway, So the whole the whole point, the bio available thing is like great generally getting so much of it. The purpose of turpin's not the purpose, but one of the great things about turpenes and a lot of those other compounds like fat compounds, fat flavonoids or whatever, they can act as surfactans. They can act as things that a lot. You heard the entourage fact.

It's well, that sounds about to say we're about just about to say the entrage feck. We're a big, big supporters of that because again, like you said, sometimes you smoke some weed that just tasted so good. It's it's like twelve percent and I feel higher. And then some shit that's like thirty percent, but it tastes like ass and it's dry, and I have to take a sip of water every two hits. So it's like that.

That's again we always talk about this, but THC is not a cell point, the major cell point the way it is for some sun shouldn't be here. Here's the metric. I actually do training with with bud tenders on this stuff all the time. Really, yeah, you want the most amount of THHC with the most amount of turps that you can get with a focus on terms. Okay, so like three plus percent is you're you're gonna be like, oh, I want three or four percent. Let's you have like a

flavor preference? Do you do your thing? Right? Who am I to tell you how to get your zoned in on something? But you're right though, like three to four percent in like a fifteen twenty percent. He's like, that's cool. That's what I would just be looking what's this one, three percent, three and a half percent whatever, find all the threes and fours and go, okay, who's got the highest tac in here? And that's what I want to buy? All right? It's probably the most expensive

shit in the batch. But like yeah, it's like if I can't open your bag and smell it, what's the fucking point? You know? So? But yeah, all that entourage fact you want terps. So like when when I have carts that are seventy percent, you know, when I got like ten percent terpens in it? Whatever? Right, Like I that to me is going to like be more effective to my consumer, all right than just giving him like a ninety five percent distill. It doesn't even get me

high. I swear I used to do. The night I had the THHCA stuff, the ninety nine percent stuff. I just kept jabbing and I'm like, I don't think I'm getting there, right, And then you go do one dab of something batter and you're just like fire, like a no. And that was years ago. I was like, what does that mean?

Now we get it really is a big factor of like so many things when you're oh, yeah, like I'll be honest and some part of you know good, or even the stuff that looks good and then tastes like shit or you know, like that's sometimes the worst to me, where it looks good it's got bag of people, but then it doesn't. It looks everything like why else would I be? I mean, yes, I like getting high, but after smoking for years, like I want to smoke some shit that

tastes good. Yeah, Well that's the thing. It's like, like I said, I open your bag, I don't smell. So if it doesn't hit me in the face, something's up, some something's wrong there, you know, or you get that hay smell. It's kind of like that generic hay smell. I don't know a lot of Hay brother, Yeah, a lot of Hay I'm sure a lot of you. I mean, I can't imagine if people like Hey collab with the especially see your ship that comes out,

you know, I do you know? I want to ask, is there any strain that stuck out specifically that like washed super good or just taste it ridiculously good. I'm just any of your favorite strains. So I was gonna bring a ghost sample, but I sold all of it Todays where so we'll like, yeah, we did an episode with them discounting. I tell you, I can tell you where it is. I hook it up. Yeah we'll go. So there's a couple growers in mind. Um, Candy

Jams from Ghostbusters. We did as those Olympics collab. It's actually going to be out on the market. We want to wait for those ab boxes. I don't want you to buy his all boxes. An ad on on it, right, and then you're like, Candy Jams is everywhere, and it was like fuck too, I'm sorry. You know I spend the money in the box. You want the add ons first, right, so um, that's actually going on sale this next drop next week. It's going to be

dropping out. I could not tell you the dispensaries because I've been selling all day, but I will give you. I'll give you bad leaf, right, so that one and then um, high Tech man, the boys at high Tech Chris is amazing. I love. Those are my two favorites to run right now. Yea. Um, but high Tech had this Banana Punch that we just released and it is uh, it's the flavor pal It's ridiculous on it It's ridiculous and you look at it too, and you wouldn't You

wouldn't be like, oh, this is gonna be amazing. But it's just like perfectly. Yeah. I was talking to about Nana Punch all right, because like I mean, you've done some great class. But I love that big drip that one stuck out, Remember that one. I like halle Berry. Yeah, everything we've run from Ghostbutters has been fire shit. It's the same thing for high Tech, same thing with Ghost Bunch. Like I said, those are the best collaps we do. No offense to all my boys

that do a bunch of do a lot of collaps. That's just there's a there's a special place in my heart for those two so's, I said. And so I wasn't sure if it be based off flavor or be like, oh, this one strain just pulled so much. I made so much, you know, I just curious what it was. Yeah, the yield thing, how's that work with Roger? Because that sometimes does it hit wrong? Because we've heard some nightmares of like, oh, it's great when you hit

the five or seven percent. People are like, oh, but like under one percent before we've heard it, and then like people getting fired over this type of stuff. Oh, yeah, so you're fucking with a lot. I mean, you're messing with a lot of money. I fire myself after go home. I was like, never fucking going back to that place. Quick. He quits everything. So I actually tell you guys, how we mitigated. Okay, we actually do some cool stuff, all right, So

we do a shake tests. Heard ship about a shake test. Basically, you get a two hundred milliliter mason jar Widemouth, put some ice and it some water in it. I put mine in the fridge. I'll let chill down. Hit it with a temp gun hits thirty degrees. I take four to eight grams of material cut from mid canopy. Out your top buds because

it's gonna fucking lie to you. That's with a good trick. Sorry, you want like you want to buzz like freezing twenty four hours in advance, put them in the jar, shake the shit out of it for ten minutes, put it back in, shake it for another couple of minutes, and then I let it settle, all right. And what happens is it's mimicking my washer. So you literally lift up the bottom. You take a picture

with the flash on. Actually if you want, that's really cool. So you're basically using the take the picture and you can actually see that like the t you're possibly getting good. Yeah, so that's you get like little rims at the bottom. Oh well, that's neat. And then that's my other stuff that we do so that you're pretty much making like a quick like hash. Yeah, it's it's a lot, it's yeah, just a real quick, small amount because yeah, I mean you're just agitating it and there you

go. Yeah. And then so this is an eyeball test basically which most people do well, we do. After this, we scoop the weed out of it, all right, and then we got the thing called a resin dial, which, by the way, shout out resin dial, I will invest fucking amazing, dude. It's like this little contraption. It's got a bunch of like a circular Yeah, dude, if you make hash buy one way too expensive, invest to make them cheaper. Sponsor me, bro,

you know. So like it's got a bunch of like little other circles attached on the bottom, all right. When you put your micron screens, so like these little circular f so you put like one twenty nine, seventy and a forty micro all right, so assimilar you just how you were washing hash

bags. Pour it out the top, all right, and you put it over a jar, and then once the water drains out of it, we sprayed a little bit like treat it like that to like get the heads nice and separated, and then you pop it open, all right, and then you pull out all the different microns and you can see whether or not it's gonna have a lot of We only run seventy of them above, by the way, seventy micron above. We do not make full speck, which is

most of the business right now. If it's cheap it's usually full spec. But yeah, because you're dosing all of it rather than so you're cutting out some of that lower I do not. It's it's the garbage layer, you know. So it's like I'm not doing that. It's just like my ego can't handle that one. Actually, garbage layer. I don't think I've ever heard anyone aboull it. But I know that people will put the run on their time. But people will put the runs on there. It's like kind

of like a fleg. Yeah, they'll they'll do full spec. Yeah, so if you see seventy and above people, those people give a shit. Let me see. I won't name the brands that do full spec, but like, I just don't do full spect. You just like seventies, the best seventy one twenty or the best heads period. If you can just extract nineties all day, I'll give that grower my house. Yeah, if he just makes ninety yeah, I was like everything. Yeah, you can have

a piece. If you make ninety micron trichom heads all the time, I will give you a piece of my company. Let's murder soon, because you go, those heads are unbelievably murders happen. Yeah, hit me up another guys shout out hit me up on the DM sit in nineties. But it's like, those are awesome heads. Those are your full melt heads, you know. Okay, I all know full melts, Like we never get true because every time someone sells its bubble like full melt, it's never been full

melt. So yeah, it's like dry and ship. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's usually enzo sift. We're working on that right now. My issue is preservation, so getting it to the dispensary into their freezer before it melts. So our stuff, um, we make full melt, yeah, you'd have to keep it frozen, that would be yeah, so I have to put it on dry ice, which is a cost. And do you guys know anything about costs right now? Every dude, everything, everybody's

it's terrible. So basically I have to like keep it frozen, package it frozen, send it frozen into go into a freezer, and then you know, hopefully by the time the person takes it home, it's gonna like melt down a little bit, like all pretty and everything. But I don't want it to be like fucking brown and it's been melted for ten days. Before it got right right, Yeah, but our stuff you really pull it out

of the dryer. If I leave, we have to like wet work inside of a big like uh no, you're you're getting We like work into like a big um. We work in a big freezer, so when we pull out the dryer, we have to work inside a freezer. We have like a mini table in there, all right, and that's where we do all our bag and we do everything because if we go inside, open our whole

our whole pile within twenty minutes will melt down. That's crazy. That's I didn't even think about that because, yeah, you'd lose the heads, right, It like instantly melts like that. It's like the heat having good bubble hash. If it's really really good the heat in the air, it'll just like condense. So it just happens to us all the time. Like we I put some dry sift, I put some of the bubble hash and my boy in a jar from one of my employees and he pulled it out at

the end of the day. It's like, oh the sunat gas it was like fucking melted. It wasn't it wasn't even hash anymore. Yeah, I mean it was hash what I mean, it wasn't like the same quality. Yeah. Yeah, man, that's crazy. I had no idea that it such hours it goes like that. Yeah, oh yeah, a couple of hours' dude. This when we pull a dryer, we're talking like said ten

twenty minutes. Yea, that exposure some people's. It depends on your process, you know, it depends on what heads are using, Like using lower grade heads, it's gonna take longer to melt. If you dry it too much, it's gonna take longer to melt. You want something like waters out of it, but the turps are still there, it's gonna melt away. And I just never heard of someone working in that like type of freezer thing, except for like a produce company. Yeah, let's not. Let's not

bring them on the podcast because they hate it. I hate it. Yeah, like these long like gloves that we put our shout out to those workers because you're making magic happen out here with this flavor. Yeah yeah, Nick, here we go, Nick, Miguel and Jamison just all day long. Those are hashboys. They work, They work super We love it. Is there. Do you guys do carts or any other sort of day. We just released We just released carts. That's what I thought. I just sucks.

Like literally, when I was looking for the graphic that I couldn't find, I saw a point five fifth age and I was like, that's a different box at the rectangle. Oh yeah, So so we did release carts. We did them with Peninsul Gardens. Um, I'm sorry, Alpha butts Okay, Oh hey, love, I want to because from yeah, the days back a clod Ian crushes. Those guys are great. Um, yeah,

we did, We did disposables with them. We're gonna have more coming, except for two has been taking like six weeks to get stuff from China, you know, like all carts can come from China, every single cart, I imagine, not a single cart comes from like it. Well, the mount of the pound of manufacturer breaking, you're probably saving, okay, I mean it's still fucking expensive, by the way, but yeah, yeah, you save a ton of money. I mean it was made in America.

Would be like ten bucks a cart, you know, just for the car press. Yeah, man, you're buying carts for that expensive some places. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's my whole point. It's like it was made in America. Impossible, right, So getting things over from China just takes forever. So it's like I have a new batch coming, new branded actually new hardware, right that like a lot, no center post, no wick. It's a bucket style. So what's killing people off is that center

post, that metal center post in there. It's heating up a ton, the elements in there. It's heating up a ton on the live resin and that's what's heating the top of the oil off, burning turps and all that. So I got a bucket style where like leaks in the bottom of the middle thing, that middle thing heats up and yeah, and that's how it vapes. Yeah, it burns turps off at the top end over time and like it degrades your oil. Okay, I was really curious. We do

a bucket. There's like a little uh, there's no post and there's like a bucket on the bottom, and so it flows into the bucket and burns there and comes up comes out the sides. Oh wow, So it doesn't even so it's just boiling more less than like a more. This is just like a direct heat type. It's like dripping it downwards instead of going in and up. You know, because then all that hot vapor that that coils do this coil can see the real Yeah, that coil is right there in

your oil. Yeah yeah I never even really noticed that. So you're just like, yeah, direct heat. Yeah, the bottom of it all the way up, so yeah, you are boiling it, that's straight up, you know. So what this does is it's just a divot with out that post on it, and it just leaks down into this like an area where can like not burn everything up, and then it comes out like this little port that comes up the side of the cart. Yeah, almost like drips

into a bowl those That's exactly what it is. It's like a little it's like a little you know, dabric style. Yeah. Yeah, but you're losing that direct contact. Yes. I never even yeah, except for finding the one that worked. I have a plastic bin actually my cart. Guy. Here's another shot out Nate from VPM that was me for a year because of such a pain in the ass. But I have three hundred models of carts and a thing that's just so many different styles. Yeah, I just

like hate this, hate this, hate this. Let Now that we've been to Biscon a couple times in Vegas, dude, there are so many cards. I thought there was like a couple because you'd see like these ones, or you see the white ones, right, the ceramic ones. But there are so many, damn kats. It's insane how many companies are. But yeah, he finally sent me a good one. Well I feel bad saying that. Finally he called me and I was like, this is gonna work

it. I'd even send that ship to you until I had someone fill it try it out. If you don't like it, you're a liar. Because I sent it out and send it out, filled it up. I was like, I love it. You know, voltage needs to go up a little bit, but I love it. Tune the voltage right away, sent it off to me, and I was like, this is it for Rosing, Like this is it? This is what I want because yeah, they are Rosing carts, big ass will have a different model. I like something

a little bit different, but they'll be the same cards. Though I'm not Oh no, I like a different model for the live reson that I do the ros you cooler temper, Yeah, yeah, I do. But um, just in terms of I don't know, there's something, there's something that's gotten kind of e cigret to you. Well, if you tried three hundred, I'm sure you've tried bag and you know a couple of times to make

your decisions. Yeah, and I have, Like I'm just saying, it wouldn't taste to make a lot of R and D. Yeah, it's a lot for the cards, you know. By the way, that's the times where I get the highest R and D. Yeah, because it's like this voltage and this voltage and this voltage and this voltage, and I'm sitting there sucked down that one. That one in the office, I'm ripped, Like we have like a questionnaire or something, and I just can't even write them.

They're all good whatever. Oh yeah, I could imagine after you're like eight tenth one, you're probably like, hold on, which one was that one? You know, like that's I mean, have your own process and right it down. But yeah, a lot of R and D inside your business. It sounds like you spent a lot of R and D. Yeah

yeah, oh yeah. So like I I'm normally like forty tabs on the internet deep like research on the rag you know, like you're in the rabbit hole and you're like like the great thing is like if you have if you really understand what you're doing, you're looking at something specific, Like I was like, I need to do X, right, I just google that.

I need to remove this, you know, I need to gently you know, take this to this, I need to shake, I need to whatever I need to do right, put in the Google I was like, and then I type in like science and then it gives you, like you know, you'll use like the peer of your papers. It gives you a bunch of cool things and you get all on mechanical when they search up the subject

lines and you're like, Okay, this is the equipment. This is in the in the the real world, but in the other markets, this is how they do this specific thing right, And you're like, okay, all right, and so how can I make this work for me? And you just go deeper and deeper and deeper. Let's buy my process for ten years. Interesting that that's really cool because you're basically taking the process and taking from

other industries and applying it to the campus extry as well. Oh yeah, we had a We had and still had a team of guys that had been doing this forever, like some of the best in the business in my opinion, those guys killed it, killed it every day. Yeah, on the research side, mad respect to those dudes. Oh yeah, oh yeah, well yeah no, I that's why everything you're talking about with the rosin and this, it sounds like a lot of what you do is just making sure

the process is right and then that process will work. This was This was for sure like a good group effort for sure. Like in getting here, you know, fucking anyone else you want to shout out, because I think we can get shout outs, but shout out to your team. You want to give shout outs? Yeah, shout out dude, my my OG team and my new team. All those guys love first off, are high ons guy like love love getting my my ogs. The og extractor who's actually been

like my one of my best friends since I was like a kid. All right, that dude smokes more weed, I promise you than anyone. That dude you like thousand milligram edible on a Wednesday and go to bed. Okay, and the like, I've never seen anyone eat as much read as this

fool. Now he's still coming to work, work his ass off, sweat run three machines with two guys come in, tell us what's going wrong, fix it himself, and then make an amazing product and with no experience when he started, you know, so shout out Bob hell yeah yeah, I know. It sounds like he's hustle. Oh yeah. And that's funny that you say that, because like that's sometimes when I think of this kid will just blow like nineteen joints and he's up at four thirty in the morning working

or whatever. I'm like, how do you what? What are you doing? Like? How do you be doing it? I spoke a donut and I like change. I love me a donut. It's like the perfect blend because of wax, and I think of doing a donuts with Benny Canna. All Right, so guys, no searching up Benny Canna. Um, he's coming in. We're doing Uh. He's just like a He's just like a traditional boy. Okay from amazing Donuts. We're working on a brand right now.

It's not just gonna be donuts. It's gonna be like super artisanal, hand rolled only get the best flower, like none of that dusting and Keith

bullshit. Okay, yeah, fire ass rosin, fire ass flower, Like I don't play that, you know, like I won't name them those companies, but they're like the new ports of weed now, dude, like it, no, not about it, you know, so they are though no, I know it just for I know what you're saying, Like yeah, it's like it's like that's the that's the I don't know, that's like a

the PBR, you know, like something like that. So uh but yeah, like the we're gonna be do you doing all handworld, all artisan all like picking the weed, picking the producers, making it ourselves, making donuts. We want to do like a full melt mixed one with a donut with a stick in the middle. Yeah, well if you need any R and dtail, yeah, come in, we'll do We'll do at the podcast halfway through like shit, we're streaming the podcast only gonna last like ten minutes.

I can't do this, guys, No, I'm out. It's too good. Well you say, like only artist, So like, is there a process you go through, like who the company you work with? Because I'm always you can do a bunch of claps, but like at the same time, we don't see you doing with everybody. No god, no yeah I could no no, no, no, no. Um kind of like a general like mso like major corporation like rule and not because I give a shit that they're like a huge company or anything like that. I'm like a little

bitarian, like how would you get your money? None of my fucking business, all right, what my business? I don't care if you're a furry, I don't care if you're a regular old guy, old guy, whatever. I don't give a shit what you do, how you're making money. Once again, not my business, not my problem, right, But those facilities are so big that there's just not as much concentration into what they're doing at the here and now you know, I don't use these every time.

I just like, I mean, I just had to say it. So you don't work with them as what you No, I don't. I don't want to be the dick that comes on like I'm not all those people like flock, all these guys. You know, it's more like get your money, bro, you're doing at scale, that's a totally different ball game. Like good, right, I want to work with guys that are bringing in new genetics. I want to work with guys that are you know, in their own growths, passionate, give a fuck about what's in that battle.

But the same mindset as you. You know, you don't want to work your ass up when you're side to put your heart into it, and then meanwhile some dudes just giving you like here's a Boof number four, you know what I mean, like whatever, not even like super I mean like boof like not good budd you know what I mean. Like so it's like I totally get that, because why would you want to do that. That's why I asked if there was a process or something, because you gotta care who

you work with. There is like we do a little bit of like social media vetting, ask around, you know, secret shop things like that, you know, like it yeah or some or good referral, you know, play Chris hits me up, you know, Ghostbusters hits me up or high Tech or you know and say no or any of those guys hit me up. Be like you gotta fucking run this guy. You know, that's what happened with Old School. We're gonna call from David. He's like, you

have to run this dude. This dude's amazing. I go there, I see all the passion that he puts into his project. Oh, I can't wait to meet him. Oh yeah, Jason's cool. You guys will like Jason. Jason's a cool dude. I definitely dig him. He's extremely interested, thinking, cares too, you know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, loves has like a good palette like you go, and he's like he opens a bag, so he's got a bunch of like citruacy, no communists

to it. I really like the floral notes and all that stuff. He knows so, and that's we focus so much on like flavor in a roma because it goes so much farther than THHC. Because sure, you know THHC. That's what Maybe I'll last a certain amount of time, but if it doesn't hit right, you're not gonna get to that, right mindset is what I got. You know, I'm listen. I'm the older guy. You know, I'm trying to I'm trying to enjoy myself when I smoke. It's

not just about getting ripped anymore. I did enough of that in my early twenties, right enough, getting high as shit, you know. Now I'm just like, it's like a cigar. Now, yeah, you gotta enjoy it. Yeah yeah, so don't enjoy it sakes the experience almost with it. Yeah, man, that's my favorite way to uh end my nights with a nice joint. But I do got to ask though about the fifth age. You guys have like phases like phase three, phase two or phase one

or what's the can you what's the what? Sorry not phases? Level? Okay? I told what levels though we were questioning. You guys are the reason why I have words on my levels now, all right, so you guys kept yeah. Yeah, by the way, in the design process, I was like level one, level two, level three. No, no, but I understand because the paradigm and and cannabis is like tier three, tier two, tier one, right, tier one being the best, which

is generally accepted. Right at the fifth age, we level up, right, And the reason I didn't want to do tier three, two two, tier one is because what happens when I released my new piece attack, Yeah, and I have something better than my level three? Right, how can I differentiate to my consumer to know that that like this is is the next level? Right? Yeah, like this is the new thing, Like how can I do that? If I stay like it would just be what tier

one plus or some shit? You know. So I was like, all right, so we'll do a level system, and you guys pointed up. Honestly, you're not the only ones. I was getting email, you know, dms. What the fuck is this level ship? And I was like, hey, you like that? Oh yeah, threats, I'm telling you, like people get super mean on the DMS for weed companies. You don't even believe um. So, I mean, I can only imagine to just feeling like I got ripped off because like the dis boat didn't take care of

it. Oh sorry, you know, Oh yeah, it happens a big time. So it's like level one good, Level two great, you know, Level three amazing, all right, and level three is we have it. We have a bunch of like factors that come down to it. But most of the time it's like six plus percent of turpenes. Okay. So there is like some type of like rule system or whenever you have a rule system. There's three. There's three different things we do. How close did

we get to the original plant in our extraction? Like how well did we do in our extraction? Like how similar it is to like the fresh rosen material in terms of turpene profile? And then the next one comparing tests and like flavors, Yeah, yeah, and then the next one is kind of like do we like the flavor? You know, I might give out some samples to some people and then like like not say anything, wait for the reaction on it, all right, and if they like the flavor, that's

one point. I already got another point for being like the bag, right, And then the last points are where you sit on that turpene scale, like how many do they have? A lot of people like too much turpenes or whatever. I think in rosa it doesn't matter as much. I want, like I want something six plus to really get that flavor profile. And so that's the last thing. It's over six, it's the three. It's

undeniably it's undeniably fire over six. There we go, okay, And I think my confusion was is one the best or is like three the best because it's like the highest, Because I was like, well one should be the most first place. I was like trying to figure that out. We were like we're like how do we how what are we gonna do? Because if we're like releasing new stuff, I was like, well, we're gonna love luck And I was like, yeah, three point one, that's all USB

did, Like when they updated that's true. That very true. I don't know, you know, it's better now. I don't know. I appreciate the because even then you're, you know, because you have like levels to your stuff. Even even that you you know, you already had that artismal idea, but you still want to have here's my levels. Yeah, it's cool. We want to keep we want to keep getting better. Like the whole the whole thought process behind that is like if I get to level four,

like, fuck me, what's that going to be? I'm already brooding on level threes? Is in the first place, I do not make a ton of level of threes, you know, I like, that's a that's a strict standard there. Don we do any levels threes? Yeah? The Ghostbuster? Was it? The was it the Big Drift? Yeah, that's what it was. Drift. Oh my god, that was really good. Blockberry chronic. I forgot about the Blockberry. That was good. Bought all

three. There there's another one that's true. Whenever he sees that ghostbust Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, I see it. I'm like, I want all of it. Let's go. Yeah, those were good one. I don't know, if you want to let us know when it drops. Yeah, at least let us know when it drops. If you do super low on that. People have been saying like seven up a little bit like really, well we'll sprite seven up actually going on there, Yeah, because I got some type of to see notes. But every time I

smell it's like God's like gas. Don't you smell that? I like, so all right, we're going blue on this. Every question for you guys,

what's your favorite string? Oh? I mean, I know everyone in the comments probably groovy Gmo and we get it because I went through a phase where it's like that's that one, and what was the what's the other one that's like the not the Cushman's No, the one that was like taste like GMO that was not Larry It was um oh yeah, there was one that tasted just like GMO that got popular for a minute, Papaya No, I'm

blanking right now. Yeah, anyways, tasted like GMO. Here you go first, because for me, I don't know if I have a specific flavor or string because I love a bunch of them. Ruppa right now, I've been digging like lemon in terps, lemonin something citrus maybe, yeah, like Mercy's pretty dominant, but lemonine for sure. That's one of my favorite turbans right now. Like I've been smoking on like I grow my own so some bangering and then enjoying. I could see that a little bit with this sprat

sprite taste seven uppy. Yeah, I almost get like like a floral like peachy tat. I don't know, it's interesting, it's really good, but I get that like I got the sitters there. Oh yeah, it smells good. Man sounds good. Do you have a favorite tree? Yeah, dude, classic, remember like that basement og, you know, like the original og smell, you know, like you got it like it was just dank, you know, yeah, and it was like super Indica, you

know, like original San Fernando Valley like good. Yeah, la Og just to me was like the best strain of all time. You know. I'd buy like a pound of thing, keep it for like months too. Yeah. I guess I used to love skunk. I used to love scunk because yeah, like slemon skunk, those are really good. I guess DMO just hit me from surprise because I was trying so much like gas e citters. It was all and then out of Noah, it was a garlic and I was like, what is this? Garland Knean, Like, what the hell

is this? Like what is this? You know? But you know, you learn it's a mix of them, and like, I think that's where I because I thought it was so, you know, because as all these cultivators make new strains and all this shit, sometimes they're misses, you know what I mean. Sometimes they're hits, and sometimes they're like like the runs, they just blow people away, you know. So it's like I just guess you never know what you're gonna get. I actually have something against runs.

This is a motherfucker to wash. Well, No, it's I like smoking the flour. It just sucks the wash. It's not the funnest thing you said. It wasn't a big yield, No, no, not at all. It's more smaller popcorn nks that I've had on the runs I happened. It's not huge. I just like at the flavor and the smoke of it. Yeah that's a joint. Yeah that's fine. That's exactly why I keep it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, well, because he's got like three to four different runs runtzes, and I'm like, Bro, didn't

really know these runses. He's like, well, do this tastes like? This tastes like I was like, well, man, it's right though. The crosses are fire. Has some bucking right, all right, just ganging up on me. No appreciate it. Oh yeah, and you're right. They do taste different. But crosses you get like this little like fruity thing going on candy, and then you get like someone crosses it with like Bubba or something. You're gonna get that like old school taste, Bubba taste in

it, old school Bubba, Bubba ninety three, Bubba ninety Bubba. Yeah, that shit was that. I've actually seen that recently. Really, yeah, I forgot where in the market recently. Yeah it was fired too. He's got that. Oh oh yeah, Jason was talking about getting Bubba. Jason's on a hunt for like, oh no, it wasn't can't wait to held you on if you haven't been on yet. I think I think he was looking for the real strawberry diesel. That's what he's oh man, which

might be fucking impost. He says he found a guy, but he's been he's also he's been like through five people to get it. But like that's just like hot. You guys, remember do you like verify a straight? I mean obviously you taste it, you know, right, but like you gotta, how do you how do you like? I know that's any strawberry diesel. If anyone was going to verify it, it's gonna be chasing. He knows the ship. He's also been growing, I think for a really

long time. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I think I could reasonably I smell a ship a little different strains, So, like's what I mean to me, it gets harder and harder to remember, and like I just I guess it. You know, I came in at like a newer time. Some of these other strains that were new to me were already a little bit you know. So but like that lemon skunk, like I love some sour diesel, Diesel is phenomenally you don't see that anymore at all, sour

man. Yeah, I missed those flavor profiles. They were great. But like, I don't know, this new weed is uh like the Gelatos when that came out of Dods, totally different profile. It's got like its own thing going on. And yeah, dude, and that's that's the thing, like, right, You're always on that hunt for that next like whoa, what did I make? And it just tastes like whatever. Yeah, when

the cookies came that wave dude, form very pain too for him. Cut was everything well supposedly like yeah, well everybody had the like a little offshoot of it. We actually Crosston, we actually crossed the form cut a while back and we made Viper Viper City Viper cookies, all right, and it was more cookie than the form cut we had. I don't know, it like expressed itself differently shit yielder, by the way, But I would not get rid of it because I was like, good I had that was my

plan. I get it. It's like him bang, like that's his ship. Yeah, just grow like two of them guys, Like Noah, fucking sucks. I was like, no, no, no, just grow like two of them please, you know, like okay, okay, when it comes, I'm just cutting that ship back. No, I mean I get it when you like a certain cut, you know. I Mean that's why that's actually a really good question, you know, because it's so hard to say my favorite strings. I've smoked so much ship by now, so it's

like I love a lot of it. Yeah, you lovely, something just hits that profile. It's just like unique. And something about og just like reminds me of like the turning point in weed, you know. So it was like og was one of the ones that was like they was on the end of everything for a while, like one of the first ones that I remember being like so og this ogd like every ogre just but it was good.

That was the change. That was the changeover though, because we had like brick and then you got like some a little bit better stuff, you know. They had like tires pot like train wreck and all that. Yeah, a little bit better, but a real turn into like marketed cannabis, like good, good markets cannabis. For me, it was like og og crosses og cush too. But that was again I feel like cush was a term for just like good weed for a while. I feel you always they

had droll and then it was like yeah hydro. So I had a friend, actually I had a friend that thought it was lawyers to try to bring drow back. You'd always be like, you're smoking row. I haven't heard that a hot minute. I'd never say cannabis. I was just say cush, dude, I think that more is like something. I mean, there is a ride like Hindu cush planes and all that stuff, but eventually just

got turned to a slang term. Yeah, no, definitely, yeah, because there was like cush, like the weed, but a lot that was just because that was popular. People said cush when they were smoking. So I think we'll just call it good weed. Yeah, you know that makes sense too. It's so cool this have been seen that like change too. We go from shit weed to great you know, look where we're out with this rosset change to the ship I used to put in my lungs like fourteen

years ago, like yeah, oh my gosh, years ago. That just mostly just like a crack crack crack, crack crack. I'm still gonna hit it. That's all I got, dude. They like the Mason jar. We like took the cap off and you have to hook it to a vacuum pump and put your oil in there, and then you like stick the tube in and backs it down. I know how many of those Mason jars have

imploded. And I like when I was like nineteen ship. Yeah, just because you are trying to boil off off all the stuff you just spen yeah, scarbage, dude. I've heard crazy things. Maybe you'll blow in what's it called, like foundations off of apartment buildings because they blow. And I knew someone that did that, just White Team. Actually I haven't known two people. None of them have done that. Yeah, it's like my girl's cousin at the time, and it was I was like, what happened.

I was like, just like, like, so everyone was trying to make wax with the tubes. So I've only open blasted a couple times because I was like, this scares the shit out of me. I got immediately in the clothes loops. I was like, no good, I don't want to set on fire. I was like, let's just do this thing over here. I mean, wax was dangerous at first, like that's why there was so much scared behind it. But now it's so safe and like you said, now it's just like you know, it's hash and he was pressed and

it's like so much better. Man. I wish we would have had Rosin back then. I'm sure people did, but a lot of people hash. We made fun of Rosin so hard, really because I only knew of hash like hash Hash, you know, you were such jerk. I was a huge jerk about rosin. I was like that BHO like blah blah blah. We thought it was like the end all be all. It's like be honest with the only smoked twice, but won't do resist like mine. I'm just curious, like six or seven years ago, you know. And then even

then, like, I didn't change my mind for a while. And then a friend showed me really really good rosin and I was like, oh, okay, it's not as lame as I thought. I was like, and then one day I was like, we're making rosin, dude, let's try this out. No, I mean now I love it now. I think it's like now, it's like to me, there's no better expression of a fresh frozen plant. There's no better expression. BHO has its purpose, and I love that. It's still good product, right, but there's no better

expression that comes from a planet than smoking rosin. Now you're talking flavor, Yeah, no, no, I agree tenfold. That's why I dabbed just pretty much mostly rosin nowadays. I mean he made me. I'm kind like I said, I'll still dab some live resi and I'm not gonna be like no, thanks, like you know, you know, and I will buy it sometimes, you know, but a lot of times if it's good.

I realized I like a lot of batter now because sometimes with the shatters or the like, you know, shatter especially, it's like just it's just not as good as all this other stuff, like the processes have been improved, because the processes have improved. So it's like, why I go backwards?

No, there's no point. It's like I saw a couple. I saw shatter and the dispensary, and I'm like saying, like, why funny you had to do is take that same thing, like when it came out of the pot, mix it up, okay, whip it really good, make it nice, treat it nice, and then give it somebody. Instead, they're just you know, pouring out these slabs and just ripping a vacuum off and on it. The whole time comes out like glass, you know, just like you just ruined great oil. You know, it's funny thing that

was great stuff. They hold it up, it doesn't shatter, it doesn't matter. I hated that, and I was like I want my shit drip it, you know, because that's Turban's right, that's funny. Anxiety and know because we used to do what was those things you used to do all the time, dunk slam, dunkle ruse. He's like he's like big little balls out of his shatter and then big ducks, Like yeah, that was the old error. I've smoked a ton of shatter, you know. But

that's what I'm saying. It's crazy. It's crazy to see it now. At that point, it's like, right now, it's like this is the product in coming, and you know they're trying to sell whatever. Now it's like ten and g Like there it's cheap, dude, that's selling wholesale. It's got to be like a dollar. That's crazy. So two bucks three bucks wholesale for a gram for sure. God remember we spend like twenty bucks for shattered. I was like, this is a great deal. Batter was

fifty dollars a half gram in twenty sixteen. You know, it's crazy how much wax prices have changed that dude, rosin was one hundred and thirty two years ago, and comparative what people are making now too, Like you get the rosin back then. There's a reason why I made fun of it, because nobody had really liked too, Like a lot of it was that sappier

rise. Oh even the bubble hash Rosen, they like really had not figured out the whole deal, like like not how it is now, right, So like the Rosin back then you spend one hundred and thirty bucks on the gram, but you get Rosin now and it's what fifty And that's for some solid stuff. That's what's crazy is there's people lower I mean there's people higher that or trying to whatever. But like that, you're right, that's like right in the medium of like good stuff too. Like that's not like cheap

rose. I remember forty fifty dollars Rosin. You're like, oh, let me see it. Yeah, no, let make sure it's okay. Now, it's like it's that a little pricy Like it's like to be honest on the other side of that where I'm like, oh yeah, right, it's not pricey enough. Serious no, I know. But it's just because, like you said, the market, the market just changed so much and then

the totally power price drop is so crazy. So when we did fifth age pricing, just throwing that out there, I could have charged there's guy's same quality as me. Okay, charging more. No, I will say that it actually pissing me off about that is people are like, oh, it's better because they spend sixty dollars a graham. Dude, it's that bougie effects. And that's what I'll call because it's just it was more, so it

must be better. My market, my idea and market pricing was like, Okay, this is the margin I need to make to be like semi profitable, okay, and live a good life. Employees happy. You know, we have employees with kids and all that. People have been good lives, right, And then we had you know, the price that was like gouging the customer. And we're like, let's give them the best product for a little bit under top shelf top shelf pricing Like, I'm not gonna gouge you

guys. I still have to make a profit every right, but we want you in business, ye dude. A single compliancy tests three hundred fifty dollars to meet. For me to send my material to a dispensary, it's one hundred and fifty dollars. Wellit three hundred fifty to get a tested to get a test of three fifty. That's with turpines and everything, okay, okay, and then one hundred fifty bucks and that's per unit. That's per batch, right, and we have a batchel limit, but that's per batch,

all right. It so no, that's what I'm trying to say. It's like every stream you have, like how many collabs did you say? There's ten? Okay, like how many collabs we release? You know, and then you spend that And then let's say somebody buys only three thousand dollars worth a you know product, wholesale product, five thousand dollars with a wholesale product, I guess spend one hundred fifty bucks just ascended there. So that amateurizes

across all my units and my unit price. So it's tough. So we have to pick something that's like somewhere in the middle, all right, but above the middle, you know, like like between top shelf and middle. That's where we wanted to be when it came to pricing. But we want to give them like beyond top shelf type quality. You know. Also I want to sell well, right, Well, you've got a balance you gotta find, right, you gotta find the balance of like what's not too much

but it's right enough to be like you because your shit is good. Man. Yeah, yeah, I guess I've been low key, you know because the big gas I've had it. I've had your ship before. This is oh yeah, We've talked about other stuff I was a part of, so like, yeah, I mean I've been in the market forever. I was one of the early early caregivers. You know. We got a lot of heat around before because people are like, you know, you guys, this is like Callie stuff or whatever, and they're like, no, I'm born

and raised Detroit, Man. Yeah. Yeah, the state, you know, back in the old day. But it was just like we got we caught black that. I mean, it makes sense because I mean, for some reason, people think Callie's the only place that grows chronic for some reason still, I know, especially going there, I mean it was some of it was like some of the Cookie ship was good. Some of the ship was not. You know what I mean. It's like just because it's from

California, everyone like thinks it's better. It's all the best weed I've ever seen. It's been in La Okay and in but can't I just the mega wellness og from Nameless Okay. That ship was stupid. I'm vacuum sealed. I'm not gonna tell the rest of us. Yeah, it came to me. I got it, and it's I didn't stunk up my whole fucking house, didn't smoke a single joint. My girlfriend comes home. What the fuck is that? Like fire mind? You know? Not for you? Yeah,

that's what it is. So that's why that's the best we've ever seen. But La South Bay like just it's just because genet I mean, they've been growing for forty years soon you know, the genetics. That's like from their dial super But second best place I've ever been for we not because I'm from Michigan. I'd say we sucked if we sucked caregivers in the old days.

Man's just some stellar, amazing ship. Legacy marketing is huge, man, you know That's why I like, some of the best probably gets on the market usually comes from somebody from the legacy or knowing the legacy, or at least kind of have been involved between you know, on these people that came in you know, really no the same. So all the best craft cultivators, in my opinion, that I've dealt with, we're in the legacy

market. All of them were in the traditional market. So and they were good in the traditional market, and they're good now, they're great now right fire Now, Like I said, there's a couple of brands out here who I think are as good, if not better than anything I've seen the traditional market. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good shot. Yeah. Man, you want to ask you a question? Yeah, we've it's been.

It's been fun. We've been. Actually I had no idea. I was like, I saw an hour and I was like, no big deal, but yeah, just appreciate it. We usually asked every learning this question. Um, it's a funny one random. Today's question made is like what literally was our first interview, and we just kind of kept the tradition. Something funny. So imagine you're I'm gonna say, how do you smoke your dads? What do you usually smoke? You smoke joints, you said, right,

I do smoke mostly flower. All right. So as you're breaking cracking open the grinder and your weed pops out, a genie pops up and grants you one wish for anything you can change in the cannabis industry. What would you uh, what do you do? You can think about it? Take for a second spot on it. So we just know there's so many things going on. And three, Yeah, Joe's funny, we have done that. No one's ever said that. Whoa, I've seen I've read that book.

There's three in that story. All right, we each got one, we take the other one, so do you get the third one? Okay? My first thing, make make the fucking tax code for weed. What do you mean that? What do you mean? Because I I I definitely agree that I think it should be. We're getting fucked by the federal government. I mean which way? Oh well, yeah, I mean like the cannabis industry specifically the tax law. And I can't describe it perfectly like an

accountant can. Basically, we don't really get standardized deductions. We get a couple things that cost a good soul, right, but all the other benefits and all the other companies get Okay, they get they get to like deduct things, all right, and it makes it easier to make a profit, yes, hundred percent. Yeah, because you're not because because the federal things behind it's not because when it's still on the schedule list, you can't write

things off because you're treated as it's not federally legal. They made two eighty for like coke dealers in Miami back in the eighties. That's the reason why I think so that's what the code was that you should so basically two eighties the change, because honestly, to eighty changes. Not only does the entire market change for everybody, but you guys are gonna see quality come up a lot because people are gonna have extra money. R and d's are right off.

You know, well, dude, I mean, can you think about any other business in America? How hard is to run any business. It's hard enough to run it with the write offs. They're basically going like, no, you still owe us our cut, but still illegal. It's like what, oh yeah? And then but then you can't even put things in banks you get you can't. You employees deal with all sorts of shit. It's it's it's like it's it's tough too. It's just like, think about

it. I'll just schedule list you criminalize the ship, please please. I don't know if I'm for federal realizations criminal schedule lists. It like get the schedule list. Nobody in jail anymore, all right, Not that the federal governments, we ain't ready anybody. Not only that, but I just think it would ruin it. You have boot from everywhere. Yeah, I don't want to be grown with thousand pounds working outdoor coming into Michigan exactly like something

Florida outdoor. Yeah, that's how dried is there. I just don't want it. I'd like, let's just keep the market pure, dude, Michigan people making Michigan stuff from Michigan people, you know, like, let's do it. Yeah. Well, it's just like you said, there's so much transport things and issues. When you start dealing with imports and stuff, it's gonna get so like it's gonna degrade the quality you would have. You would have, they would have to create a standard that everyone would agree with.

You know, we have standards you that because we have high quality, you know, and we want good stuff, you know, just like with the medical you know, even then it's even lower ppms or whatever. So you know, you can't just do that for like, I don't know, it would be too hard. I think that's my soapbox. Man. It's like, treat us like every other business that's you want to you want the genie thing, just take away all the rest of shit. And treat me like

a regular business. Fuck even two ade. Treat me like a regular business. You know. Don't make me jump through hoops when I get it. Put the money in the bank. You can't put money in the bank that's still got paid tax. We have to go through. Actually we can put money in a bank, oh you can. You can, just not an institute federally institutional bank. We can. We can use credit unions and then they charge us up the ass. It's like a thousand, I think three

thousand dollars credit union. You do with anything with cannabis, they're going to charge you because they just think you have money. Well, you open all the stuff. Get rid of the green tax, you know, that would be great. I mean green tax. If you guys know what that is. The green tax is basically like if I was to buy hid light from from my warehouse, cost me one hundred bucks. You know, I buy that same ide light from my grow with a brand on it cost me four

hundred dollars. Now, so that's the green tax. Because everybody thinks we're like rolled in cash all the time. So basically what they do is they up charge on everything. Everything is up charged, damn. So not only are you getting yeah, man, you see that's something saying the cannabis industry. You get everyone. You just get so boned at every single direction and every single way that like things I didn't even think of, because like I

already think it's hard enough to run a business. You know, you don't have all these holdbacks now, oh, I mean, like, dude, it wasn't the lockdown that got us. It was after like everything like getting getting equipment, getting materials, getting any type of supplies. With a supply change, you can imagine try to run into business against you from China. You said you already have delays. Now I couldn't imagine when you happened. Thank god I wasn't open yet because I thought you can see the maps.

It's just like fucking thirty thousand ships just sitting in likes, just waiting for like months. They were leaving ships in They're just like leaving them. They're still there, dude, with something some poor oilmakers carts on it. You know, like I'm still fucking there right now, right, So it's just like that's literally what your packagings. And yeah, that's what i'd say. It's like the rest of my goddamn jars. You literally be here next week,

we promise. Yeah, yeah, well we could show you where a ship is just turn on the news. But yeah, we were just like thank god, I wasn't open for that. But it's like it's things like that, like periods like that that people are like, Oh, that's got the weed. Guys doing great. It's like, no, we have the same businesses news this pro news articles that, oh the revenue, total revenue, total revenue. People don't understand that that's not profit, you know,

god, revenue is just revenue. Like you know, you can make ten million dollars, but if you spend nine million, nine hundred thousand, nine ranny night. Oh my god, it was a big number to pick. You know what I'm going with that, Yeah you only made a dollar, you know what I'm saying, Like, oh yeah, well, and that's

the thing. It's just like, you know, cut the testing, cut the packaging, cut the labor that goes into it, cut the input product, the good input product that goes into it, cut you know, everything else, r and ding the product branding it. Like dude, we're talking like we're just taking too much money. Constantly. It's like people like oh, you know products too expensive. It's like, no, it's expensive to mak Yeah. Well, and that's the thing people don't realize, like how

much goes into the process, so many steps within the metric market. Crazy. Well, I appreciate that because we always talk about dichrominazation and getting safe banking because they then businesses could be treated, people would be out of jails. You know, you get it off the schedule list. You other rights that you don't get, you can get those rights back, because it's bullshit. Just because I smoke weed, shouldn't shoudn't affect other rights? No,

No, should affect any other things I do. It shouldn't. You're running a cannabis business, a business in America, you should be able to do it. Every business in America. Yeah, America. I feel like I mean, I'm like feel like I'm in like a communist program because everything is

just like you know, it goes into the CIRA. Every everything is like being the money is being redistributed and basically, you know, it's like you're you're paying all of your money out to redistribute it to companies that have tax incentives that I don't get. So they're just taking dollars from me on the regular, you know, and then they can write all that stuff off and they can do whatever they can run. All that business spends up. Fuck that shit. Yeah that sucks, dude. Well yeah, dude, anything

else you want to say, anyone shout out? I think we did that, but like, I just appreciate you coming on, man, we didn't. We gave a long episode, a lot of information for our listeners. Any any questions or any like, you know, definitely check them out, you know, reach out to us, fifth Age, reach out, find

out where their ships at. Try it um. So the one thing I want to say everybody that new this jar, the new tech is coming, not the drop we just did, but it's going to be in the next coming drops, and look out for the product because if you liked it, then it's gonna get better. No. I appreciate all the R and D man, all the hard work. You really care about your product, man, I mean from Big Guess now like shout out, Big Guess coming back,

And that's what that's what you were saying. So we're gonna be checking it out. We're exciting. Yeah, man, there you go, get the yellow carts fake things happen for you, guys. I love it. I appreciate you joining us today, Josh, I got nothing else drible. That's it, all right, let's wrap it up. As always, we're here to advocate, educate, and inspired to next time, y'all,