Old School Organics

Yo, what's going on? Everybody? Welcome to another episode of my Cancast. I'm Candiday. Yeah, I'm groovy. On today's episode, we have special guests Jason, founder, owner and cultivator of Old School Organics. Yeah. How's it going, guys, Jason. Yeah, So we've been kind of like excited for this interview for over a year now because the Zebra Piss and we saw your Zebra Piss and the High Times, so we've just been

a fan of your stuff. We love the clean white ash, so it's been like curious about the Yeah, the organics days, all organic over here. So I'm really just excited to just talk to you about Yeah. No, I mean he's so, I mean, just Jason, a little bit about who you are, you know, where are you from? Like, and well we'll get into Old School. There's three of us that are owners of Old School again. Um, myself, my best friend Rich and his

girlfriend Kelsey. Um, the three of us about five years ago. Um. She approached me because I had been growing for a long time as a caregiver before that, and she had a lot of experience with using smoking my products and yeah, so she she thought she always thought that that there was something there and she was in the position to be able to fund a project. And um, so once I found out she was interested, um my buddy and I we put together a business plan within the week and we brought

it to her and uh we got going. But as you was so glad you did, because like, without it, we wouldn't have tried your stuff. So I mean, like, and it is really crazy sometimes that push from your closest people can get you to get involved and do the things that you're like you love doing. You know. That was twenty eighteen, um when we first started the actual venture. But I was a caregiver from two thousand and nine till two thousand and seventeen. When as when you uh change

over to commercial, they make you give up any caregiver abilities. Yeah, so yeah, and they don't use two eighteens when you went to the rexite or twenty eighteen when we apply applied, right, So it took us three years because of COVID building UM licensing you it was a three years of just going through the process. You're saying yes before three years of going through the process. Shout out to you and your team because that takes patience and a few of you. It's a lot of work, you know. We were

pulling our hats. Yeah, we were. Yeah, it was it was tough. Um, it was a lot of stress at first. This was early on and that's when there was still a board UM at the at that time. M m M shout out. Uh. They've actually been UM, they've actually been really great. UM, they have been. They're very nice and they've um where they're running. They running a clean show right now. They've been cleaning up around town and seems like it's making the market a better

place and a more fair, fair place to operate. That's great for especially when you're running a business. You need to be a fair and fair that's going with the laws and regulations. Absolutely. I mean you can there's a lot of rules to this UM, to this market and to this If you're cheating the rules, UM, it creates a very unfair UM market and its impossible to compete for for companies who are following you know, the rules,

the rules, you know when that's your competition. So it's more the more people you know that are you know, caught and get it, it's going to put a message out for the entire community that's not accepted, and it's going to make it a whole lot easier for small companies like us to be able to compete. Ye oh yeah, because I mean that's the thing with these I mean, I'm not going to say which companies I can't calm up,

but these big, these big lobby and companies. No, I'm just saying, yeah, a couple, That's what I was saying in my head. But like it's more or less just like, um, it makes it really unfair to like, you know, and there's already enough disadvantages to just running a cannabis company already, where you can't rate things off, you can't all sorts of stuff. So you're already well you guys are we're getting all the subjects right away. I jump right in hot heavy there, I didn't

we were still Yeah, I'm Jason and I'm yeah from Fort Michigan. There. No, But seriously, I like it. I hope that this is a an intense talk because I feel like there are a lot of intense issues. But then, um, I really, you know, I want to talk about cannabis like flower appear. No. No, usually yeah, that's the way usually we were talking about you, but we judge and I do want to get intense though too. I'm ready to hear it. But you

said you're from poor Urine, so you you're from Michigan. I'm from Michigan, Okay, So that's why it's a Michigan market special to you for that reason. Like absolutely, you know, the first time I ever smoked pot was in Michigan and nineteen nineies six when I was you know, an early teen, And I've used cannabis um to as a crutch for my ADHD that I was diagnosed early on. I cannot stand you know, um stimulant pharma, MAG pharma A five ans that whole world. I was prescribed riddling.

You know, they try to put me on that too, So I totally get that in six, sixth grade and it, like man, changed my personality. It made it really hard for me to, uh, you don't know, be myself at school. And I think that it might have created some like social anxiety and some other things that like kind of I don't know. I and I had a lot of behavior problems at school, and um, I don't think that speed was the right solution. No, I think

they were. I think they were that riddle right, let's give these kids pretty much meth, yeah, because they're already hyper, but that'll calm them down exactly. So riddling didn't work well for me. So they're like, we know, some stronger shit out. It just came out. It's called adderall. They're like, that was probably like I was a small kid, you know that. You know, I'm you know, pre teen, so

I'm talking sixth grade, seventh grade right, um. And they had me on a thirty milligram salt like I don't know if you guys know how strong the thirties. They had me on the thirty salt in the morning and I would take it and I would be like right, and I told my I. Eventually I I realized that cannabis was always It brought me into that calmer state, palmer state where I wasn't just like constantly you know, fidgety drummond. Do you know I was bouncing off them off the walls when no,

no, you're preaching to the choir over here. I was that kid as well. Okay, you ask him. I want to think. I don't know. It was probably something to do with uh, you know, in the eight early eighties. I don't don't think the parents realized what the food companies were giving the kids, and I think this assumed a huge the doctor must be good, the doctor knows or just the food companies were like giving us crazy shit food and was causing like all of these Like you know,

I was for breakfast. You go to school, you could get a cinnamon roll the size of your head and a Hawaiian punch right for a dollar fifty sugar with rety. You're a eleven years old man, you're walking in the school. You're going to be in an asshold for the rest of the day. That's the way you started your day, right, Yeah, And I probably was, I bet you. My teachers were like, put this kid

on fucking riddling. And so when the teachers are yelling at and the doctors are yelling at because they don't underlaying well, it seems like you should probably be on riddling because everyone's telling them it was yeah, And at that time, they were over diagnosing and they weren't treating you know who knows over diagnosing, and it was really big. I feel like it was such a popular thing to have candidates around and it's illegal and it's been many medicinal here like

It's always worked for me. I use it every day. I smoke it every day. Is that your preferred ways the role joints? I mean absolutely? Yeah. I actually smoked one right before jet fuel crossed with yea, wow tasty. Did you guys like that? That's yeah. So here's the old school argainings. You haven't seen them. What are some of the strains you have right now, like on the market where consumers can go pick it up? Like, what are some of your top vendors where they can go

and check check out some of your flowers locations? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I said vendors, but yeah locations. Yeah, okay, our top so our retail partners. Um, we're all over the state of Michigan. UM Lighten Up Cannabis flint Um, all Ascend locations, all Quality Roots locations, all GLH locations, Great Lakes Holistics, UM Mood Cannabis Jacks and UM Local Roots Landsburg, UM, A lot of mom and pop shops. Mom and dad, you've got lots and lots and lots of

brothers and sisters. You all look different. Oh yeah, me and my sister look way different. Right, So just because you have the same mom and dad, doesn't mean, you know, and the phenomena of you know, amazing elite genetics is few and farm between. Like how many Lebron James do you got running around the planet? Right, and so exactly there's a

lot of people on this planet. There is so um. With that being said, I think that there's this, there's these outliers and they're special and across the years from you know, dating all the way back into you know, early eighties, probably mid eighties, there was when it got past you know, just early hybridization and you know when they first were when you started seeing these early widows and these early ogs and these this you know, the

comes. I mean, they're those strains were they were selected for um effect and not and not THHC percentage THC percentage. And you can tell that's true. You know, that's a great point. I never thought about that, the genetic difference, like why they were going into these genetics versus why they are now and like why right was right? It was how good does it taste that? Y? What does it taste like? What does it feel

like? You never thought about that. So um strange fies have changed strains from the early nineties O. G. Cush's sour diesels, BLUs their hearts. Oh god, kem dog, I'd kill versus. Yeah. Oh that we got a Catsu Bubba that we're gonna be releasing. We're gonna do a whole classic retro line. Oh oh sh yeah, so the classic retro line. You also hear that? Do you want to hear the whole lineup?

I just hadause button. There was an applause. No. No, we always talk about that, like we missed these throwbacks strains like finding that new cookies, Like we get it, but like we miss that stuff. You know, a poco No we our Um Olympics and mother was um the a ninety two og Cush cut and ninety two ninety two I was two, we were two years old. Um, it's one of my favorite strains. I've had it since two thousand eleven. I traded a deadhead og for it.

Um and it was that's like a legit cut of og Cush. You said, right, yeah, oh yeah, it's like you can tell how old it is because how hard it is to clone. That makes it needs to be reinvigorated. It needs to be tissue cultured, it needs to be brought back. Um, I'm just so I don't have my own tissue culture lab. I should be working out. Have you seen the Athena box stuff? I did see the Athena box stuff and where I was horribly play horribly played

ruby, but you know what I was. We saw it at mj Biscom this year and we're like, whoa, you know, two grand or twenty five hundred is way more affordable than, like you said, a culture lab. It's apps, It absolutely is. I hope that it's as easy as they say. But you still got to think about long term storage and you

know there's an environment. We have all those things available, we have the space to do it, but um, it's everything takes resources, and right now we're really most focused on uh production, Yeah, of quality flow Well, and you said quality, we're talking about og cush like how was that zo Olympics stuff? Like why was that? It's like my favorite strains. So I I love it. I hope that the people that got those Olympics boxes. Um, I hope they like it. It's a classic OG.

I bet you everybody's gonna love it. That's like, yeah, you know, let us know if you if you got the OG I mean I guess wait it was blind so you don't know. But if you notice there was an OG in the box, I like that. It was that's good. That's the one thing we didn't like about the High Times Cup that it was like, yeah, it's a fair judgment because you don't know who's who grew it, what brandings on it. Nothing you true flavor and a factor.

Yeah, should be mean yep. Yeah, So we competed the OG because I mean she's been, um, my favorite strain for years and years, but um, the retro lineup we have that og. Um, we also have the San Fernando Valley cut. Oh that we're also it's a throwback. Man. I used to love that in like the old Caregiver day. I used to get that s f Bog Yeah man, oh yeah that's fine.

She's more um, she's been more classic classic where I feel like my ninety two cut is um a little bit more on the sour side, just a she's gas but um more of like if you know the reserve of Pravada og. She has more of that that brightness to her, whereas not as earthy as the classic like like yeah, yeah, yeah, um, I love them both though, I mean Uh, the technically you're standing by your name old school organics right now. Retro. The original plan, right, is

that I was going to try to bring all these elites. I mean even your packaging is pretty retro, like the logos retro. Like it's a vibe, you know what I'm saying. You guys got a vibe going. We always wanted to bring um old elite cuts that had been kind of like lost when you know, all of this new age hype, she chasing type of person like whatever. Not to say that there's not a thousand amazing new strains out right now. Believe me, we grow those two. We love those

two. It's just these seem to be there. Like it's like um, like like baseball cards, you know, like having like an old, rare baseball car or just has something, you know, this nostalgic value. And uh, you know I used to look at it as wine, right, like older wine gets rare, right, it's rare, like doing me wrong. New wines like very tasty, you know, like I'm not a huge wine guy, but like I know my wines or anything, but that old

wineing. When you have like an old whatever bottle, it's like whoa that was rare. I haven't had a ninety two og bubble or cush. You know, cush. He's me I crossed a bunch of my head together. But we are smoking. But we do have a bubba, that's why. But that's another one. Okay, Yeah, what else is to bubakay Um? We have Lupa's headband, headband, let's go. We have the Indiana bubble gum. Oh dude, I don't know what that is, but it sounds a good. Um. We have a white widow cut that we just

obtained recently that seems extremely promising. It's exciting. It's what's like legit, Like that's like a legit. It's cut that I've been looking for for a long long time. Recently, I mean it was huge. I've been looking for some of the cuts I've had for ten plus years. Some of them I've been looking for for years and years and years. But it wasn't until this business came to me that finally gave me the ability to finally find some

of them. Um, you know, and the resources once again. Yeah, I love that you're bringing these these genetics back for a lot of consumers that at the times haven't even tried to cat Sue Bubba or or og Kush. That's that's true. That's true because there's a whole generation of people who are like, og, what your cookies like? First? That's so cool that you guys are bring up this Ruchia line. When does this rutia line

hit? By chance? So I got me excited right now. We already like we did the first drop of the og about a month and a half ago, but it sold out in stores extremely fast. So please let us know the next time it drops, Okay, candidate, Like, I know, we both want to try it. Um the next yeah, the next The next old school drop we're doing is UM headband and that will be finished

six to seven weeks. You know that mean cure, dried and tested, ready for retail, right, So um, yeah, we're really excited about I've never seen a headband on the commercial market, not a real cup of headband. I haven't seen not since it was like from Michigan and it's pretty much coming from California. Like I saw Midnight Roots Stone Owl. That's insanity, and I don't know I haven't seen that one. No, no,

no, I'm familiar with me Night Risk. He seems to have the real like og cush like whatever he's working with its gas right, yeah, shout out the shadow. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely crushes. Um. You know, I've seen a couple other strains that on the market that are you know, they're they're they're there, but they're not like, um, you know, the actual original elite cuts. Um, I always love it's hard

to find. Well, I'm I do sales for our company too, so I'm visiting dispensaries all the time or um many hats provisionings, and I'm always looking to see what's on every shelf. And I'm you know, I'm always looking to see if they have, you know, old cuts, or if they or if they even claim to have old cuts. Normally you just don't even see anything labeled blue dream. You know. It's just it's rare. The older the oldest cuts is much anymore, and not in a long time.

No, the oldest cuts you'll see is like an ice cream cake, you know. And that's only like, you know, you're kind of right, because ever since the cookie, ever since the cookie thing happened, it's like I swear everything and find a forum cookie on the Oh that's right, that's true. I've got swerves pack and swerves is what the thin mint cut came out of? Oh right, I remember that thing. Realized that right, and the thin mint cut is that was such still is again, I

can't find that either. I wouldn't say that's retro, but man, would I kill for that? Yeah? Exactly it. It can't unless you still have it from then, or you know, somehow saved in as one or something um on s like something like your retro line is so huge because we

do lose these cuts all the time. If I had all the cuts that I wish I wouldn't have lost, it would be oh man, this would be I hate to bring up, like I hate to put salt in the wounds here because Candid Dave has something that he doesn't like talking about, like which ones do you? Which ones have you lost that hurt the most? I guess because I hate to bring it up. But that's Candy Cush. Yeah, I can't remember, Oh my god, tasty as hell. Yeah it was. Oh see, I didn't want to bring up in your eye.

Man, I remember that Durban Poison though he had a Durban Poison cut that was and had a death star death star cut. That's right, that was a legit cut too, girl the dust Star before and that's beautiful, that's greasy, yeah it was. That was a strange I got one across. Really, it's right, that's right. That's why I think he loved it back in the day. It's beautiful, it's greasy, greasy. You don't see that, you ever. And Death Star either, Yeah, you

don't see death Star. It still lives. That's there. It's not one of the ones that's like long lost. I'm sure people in Michigan have it. And I know it's in Ohio. Yep, yep, it lived in all It'll always be there. That's one of those things. It's like stable to their culture. A man. I mean the death I don't know what else they got, so don't I mean not talk. They got the dust Star, the Dumpster and the lemon Ge. Lemon GE's from m oh Yeah.

Some guys down in like like a Columbus Athens, Ohio area that just have been great, great growers for years and years. And Michigan has always traded strains with the Ohio growers, so we've brought in a lot of Ohio strains over the years. Oh shit, I love how well connected you are with like every well we can reel with the community like the real some people are just buying off lying like yeah, I mean that's what I do. Your genetics seems so important to who you like as are as a grower.

It's the most I mean, it's the one thing that it's out of your control but within your control. Right, So if you have the genetics, you have them, and you have a huge advantage because like we said before, I mean there's not once it's like anything in this world, it's hard to be the best when there's thousands and thousands and thousands of and so this

is what can set you apart is having better genetics. And I completely I didn't think about it industry moving forward, I think your genetics is going to make you stand out for a lot of the cannabis smokers, like people on variety, like the old school stuff the new age, like you got a mix of both, like this is you and we're just getting keep cycling, yeah, and that we're never We're gonna try to never stop and land on

any one thing and just say this is what we grow. And I want it to be a revolving lineup of you know, one hundred great elite. Well if you only if you always grew a string, eventually people get sick of it, right, you know you I grow the stuff for me. I smoke everything that we grow. Um. You know, I'm allowed to taking a lot of amount as an employee of the company, and I make sure, you know, get to try everything, and um, you don't

smoke this one citrus. Yeah, so they're all good man with my team, um is, they have a great nose for cannabis and they um have a They're amazing at helping uh execute every part of the process. So shout out to the team. Yeah, how big is your total team? Is it just you three still? Or is there no? There's twelve? No, No, there's there's three of us as um. Uh, you know at the ownership level. God whoever picked his jet fuel? I love you

like this is a duh. There's yeah, three of us at the ownership level, and then we have about ten employees at the whole still small team for a thousand plants and hand watered, hand trimmed, um, hand trimmed and well hand watered, that's all. Wow. I mean he does hand watering and it's like seventy plants and He's like, Man, I'm watering all day a thousand plants. That's twenty times the kind we get into the girl LEDs HBS. We was both okay in check the board, of course,

so we want to we want to. There's obvious reasons um to have LEDs, to cut costs, to be more efficient, to be more green. You know, you don't want to leave a massive footprint. But I believe that there's no question in my mind that high pressure sodium um when all the other parameters are right, when the room is perfect, in your maxim um, your ppms of CO two, when everything is going perfect and optimal grow environments like HPS to w HPS puts out um an intensity that has you just

can't compare to. And it's the it's the only way I can get the density and the full roof of the plant. Right. I've tried to grow under just LEDs. I mean it's still don't get me wrong. When you see checkerboard, you mean checkerboard style like h every other h hs hs L. But I just I wouldn't want to assume. But that's really cool that you actually blending the light. That's more of a blend. Oh yeah, Yeah, we're gonna roll up some centris, dude. And that's the thing.

Every every bag you've dropped here with in front of us, smell is very unique, you know, and I really want to say, like you really your genetics can show looks so important beautiful. You know, you don't put on a candy cane. Let's show the jet field one of the kids. If I wish I'll could smell that one. This one is I could live in this bag. Soil really brings out the full characteristics. UM.

I personally love. I love the checkerboard for the lights soil you grow at soil absolutely so we do a checkerboard um all Givita okay, nineteen thirty LEDs um obvious you know for the UM standard thousand to a ended hps for the UM. The other those are the bangers, and then you get the lads for the spectrum. And when you have that UM, your light's nice and high up off your canopy. You get a nice spread um of spectrum. And so every plant you know gets I wouldn't say even I do see a

little bit of shift and swing from underneath the LED. You I mean you can see you'll even see different and uptake. Right, I'll not just color of leaves and buds or density, but I'll actually, um, they'll eat at different rates. Um makes sense. Yeah, it's uh, every plant's just a little different, right, I mean, yeah, well under each

light they act a little different. But we're really trying to get them to get that mixture of spectrum so that we can see the full growth potential, density, but still the high turpin production and some of the colors that LEDs bring out. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that is that's a very point. Like I even think about bag of pep kind of from the lights, like absolutely, it's huge. I mean, dud which one? This doesn't check every box. It's crazy, even though like five years

ago we were smoking brick. We know, years ago, you know, but just like the dense, the the the look on this one too, the um what is this theato? Yeah, man, the tricombs are crazy on this. Yeah, it's coated and I cracked open the citrus smell of the flower smell pops so much after you grind up the button, you crack it down in the grinder and open, the aroma just pops on these.

Yeah, And like you know, when you say it all. We're always talking about an ensemble or entourage effect, right because like people always so you know, t HC percentage percentage, TC percentage. It seems like you focus on multiple things like your turpenes and like that balance. So because you're trying to make that like that average, is there anything that you specifically like like a what level of TCHC your turpeenes that you like aim to strive for?

Actually, is anyone hit always? What was the one we talked before the episode two? I'm always trying to hit as high as turpine percentages and really highest percentages I can across the board everything. You know, UM, big numbers always impress people. And UM, when you seeing really high UM turpene content, UM, it's normally a pretty good indicator of the quality of products.

UM. You know when you're hitting over three three and a halfs even into the fours, UM, you know you're getting into some some really quality products. You know, as as long as they finished that, you know, finished it out without going into the over nutrient like UM overfed end of things where they made it chunky. So you know, if they didn't never overfed it. You can hit high turd beans and still have chunky pot Yeah.

Yeah, you know that everything has to work, you know, you gotta there's so many factors, like the ninety one gun Fia super Fire. It's part of the retro line um definitely. I'm excited. We've grown the ninety one gun Fia and we've released it multiple times around the state of Michigan. But we hadn't really marketed uh um Um as a retro line or anything. Strains that I wanted to show people want to bring out to the community. You don't see you don't see these strains in the market. It's all

new age, new age trains. People are trying to find that new strain that's going to take off like runs some or take off like that Forum cut. Like I think right now we do. You have a lot of exotic like what's genetics though they're they're what's available, right the new strength of what's available makes sense, finds hard to find. We'll find a Bubba cush right right, Yeah, yeah, go find a master cush. Oh my god, remember that Sindey ninety nine, or a real cut of sweet Tooth,

or a real cut some skunk. Oh, some real skunk scount number one. That's one I've been I've been chasing for years and lost for words. I have not seen anything, um anywhere close to what I've considered the elite cuts of the early skunks. Nothing even close to. Damn man, that's one of the ones that I keep looking. You guys put in, you know, keep asking everybody that comes on this show, just keep saying that

no one's got a skunk. Maybe eventually one day somebody'd be like, there she is, and you'll be like, and then you guys call them. I was like, we hit up Jason I Media. Yeah, I'd be I'd be so ecstatic. So that's that's one of the ones. We're both you would leave your mind's like a skunk cut. That's what I was gonna ask as well. I don't see like anything that's skunk. I remember loving Bubba Cush and I don't remember what it tastes like. I just remembered loving

it and it's been so long. Chocolate, Earthen coffee, yeah, that's in gas. It's still all of those. It's a good mixture. Amazing. Yeah, if that, if I had to put it, and she grows so identifiable, she grows a very into co looking the huge fat, dark green like jungle looking leaves. She's very identifiable plant. And when you I love the way you talk about your plants. When we bring the bubba back um, which is coming back real, I will have the first drop

of bubba in probably two months. As soon as she's down, I'll bring it here and you'll try it and be like, yeah, have you everyone flash, I remember we're down for growth facilities like yours, especially these cuts, Like oh my god, I've never seen Dave los his mind right, yeah, absolutly yeah, yeah, oh yeah, we do. We love

that type of stuff. No, I just I just was so curious see your grow because the way you talk about your plants, it's just you guys can see that, like there's a passion and care and love and your grow and you know, we've had growers on here. I'm not knocking any other person who's ever grown on here, but our talking. But it's just the way you speak about your plants, the way you describe them is like it

shows how much you've been how long you've been cultivating. In my eyes, I love weed and branding there, no, but no, no, for real, no, I love it though. It's so true though it's it speaks so much, spoke speaks so true. Thank you. Um. We really everybody at old Scoorganics loves weed just like I do. I'm shadow the whole team. Yeah, I takes a team, you know. We everybody

there knows good weed. Everybody there loves good weed. Everybody there does everything they can to make sure that Old School Organics is always producing good weed. And they've Yeah, it's it's been a great time. Um. Of course, any startup with you know, going into business with your friends and your family and really everybody that works for us as friends and family, there is not an uphill battle. Some days there's not a single person at our facility

that is not a friend or family member. See, that's so cool. Like family, full whole family team. For we all knew each other before, not all of us knew each and every member before, but we were all connected within life. Someone knew someone of someone you know. Okay, that's pretty that's pretty cool. Family feel very little turnover, all the same people that pretty much all the same people we started. That's that's huge.

You guys are flower You just do you guys do pre roles? Is there any edibles or concentrates of yours that people can try your product in as well too. Um, we work with some processors that make collabse Yeah, we do collapse and then. Um, we also have a live resin pen that we sell. We have a processor our friends Green Co. Shout out fire and nice. Um, that sound familiar. They have been a fire and nice. That sounds super familiar. They've been in the game as long as

I Is that a topical? No, they do make topicals. Okay, I've seen the topical all right. I don't know. They make a lot of stuff and they have from the early caregiver days. Maybe that's why, because I've seen it, I've had it for some reason, Like that's why I was like when you said fire and nice, I'm like, man, I haven't seen that in a minute, but you spark something there. Okay, Well, shout out that's cool. Yep. They're licensed facility now.

They have grow in processing out in Hastening Smiths. Again, they do excellent work. M They have been able to capture the real essence of all of our strains and get it into a disposable live bres and car. I wish I would have brought some of those for you today, but at this exact moment, we are sold out of them. It's not a bad problem to have. There's other there's worse problems to have. But we have more coming very soon, and we have some more new flavors that we've added to the

lineup in live bres and flavors. We have our our signature strain, sugar Cones. It was a strain that we've just got a lot of really great feedback on and a lot of consumer demand for us, So we grew a lot of it in the last year, but we've taken a break from it at the moment and we won't be re releasing any sugar cones until probably Midsummer. People are going to get it's a very good smell. What is the

GenEx on this? Because it reminds me of like Grammar sugar cookies, you know, I mean a lot of forty five um, a lot of it's a gelatto forty five times ice cream cake. Okay, I can smell the cake, That's what it was. There's such a sweetness to that, and it's like it really just so sweet, very good stuff. Man, Citrus is tasty. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That that's UM. So the citrus is sense sense. So citrus astension is a strain. Yeah, I know, it's a hard it's a little bit hard to

say. Their joint in song to us. We were worked with Send Cannabis on this one. UM. We were given UH some seed from a employee at Ascend and UM there was sort of some pretty good history between UM, him and I and UH friendship and growing together and trading grow advice and genetics for years and years and another one of the managers of one of the Ascend stores, UM was also very into the idea of doing a collaboration with us so that we could have, you know, a unique strain that would only

be UM at a Sun stores. It's very citrus turf. I would say, oh yeah, oh yeah yeah, greape fruit to orange with UM hints of skunk and pine. Definitely some great that it's tinier as it goes. And I've noticed that this specific pheno likes to change as you like. The beginning of the dubie doesn't taste anything like the end of the dubie. It's kind of one of those like varies a little bit. Well, I mean that makes sense because when it resonates, maybe it changes like the really must

be moving. Uh what, it has a nice oil drift over. Do you see what I'm saying that at first it kind of tastes like an orange chapstick, and now it's starting to taste like, well, you're right though, the great the orange grapefruit. The smell is a little bit more on the piney side right now. But yeah, it starts off with very nice citrus tasting. But you're dead on with the smell though, that grapey grape

fruit skunk you're skunk type of vibe. Yeah, it's nice, man, man, I just dead Yeah, it'll see the love in your planets. It'll be at it all ascends stores. Hopefully they'll have it on the shelves buy four twenty um, we're I know that there. They'll probably try their best. I know that I'll get it over to them as soon as possible. But um, we were sort of trying to beat the clock on this

one for twenties. If now you're watching it now that maybe it should be out now, so I'll check it out the local Sun Cannabis to get up on many. You know, you'd be just like hanging out trying to grow some weed, and then and four twenty and I was like, where's the weed? And You're like, oh shit, she need like another month. I thought it was can we postpone four twenty this year because I got some

fire? It's so close. I show up to the four twenty party with some little bit wet weed, and I'm always like, fuck, it still smokes, though you know you said that's all it's fresh though it's fresh. It's fresh. It's fresh. No, I promise nobody will. It's such a grower thing, right, there's like dang, I want to full flex you guys or nobody. Nobody will get fresh wet weed for four twenty. I promise, yeah, everybody will. It'll be a nice cure on it.

Um. The testing process. Um, everything is just stretched out compared to what it used to be like when I grew you know, caregiver. Um. Everything takes me longer, and it's almost like big. It's it's nice because it forces you to cure longer. You know, every you're waiting, everything is you're always waiting for this so that you can do this, so that you can do this, and it ends up creating more time of things just sort of sitting in place, which forces us to put a nice

like two to three week cure on almost everything. And that's really that sweet spook. Some strains take longer to cure than two to three weeks to get a really beauty, perfect proper cure, but I like most of the gassy strains or really turned forward strains, you can get a pretty nice cure pretty quick. Um, what we're smoking right now is right at the like about the three week mark. Okay, yeah, well there yeah, um yeah, yeah, no, I love it. Yeah yeah, just baked,

yeah no, just baked. Yeah, yeah, for sure. On the show, I we don't reusually count. We just kind of good flavors. We want to trium and then like dude, I you know, it's like the jet fuel. I had to I had to try that immediately. Guy. So it's like you also, we just want to be smoking, you know what I mean, Like when we like the bud though, we smoke

and like like we notice it too on this Zebra piss too though. That's That's the one thing I remember very distinctly, is like it's I know, it's not like the biggest of deals, but like once you get through, like oh wow, it smells good, it looks good. All that thing. We're like the ash and your ash was clean and we were like and it's still clean and like and that's like I don't know if it's the flush

or whatever, but so is his. And like that's one of those one things that that's why when we we really want to have you on because it's like really really soft, but like we can stand by. It's good toft man. Even so when you say flush, um, yeah, there is even organic umly grown flower still needs what you would call a fly. It's not really a flush, and I'm just like pouring, like you know, it's some buggets of well, you know, you're not flooding out the root

zone. You're still giving it the same amount the normal feed water, but you're just not putting any at any sort of nutrient. You're and we plan our soil to the longevity and to be able to kind of you want it to fade, right, You want the plant to fade. You want it to look like it's fall. You want it to look like it's exhausted all of its resources and it's ready to drop seed and move on with its you know, into the afterlife. Right, and then next year they will do

the thing from seeds, right. So, Um, that's a natural process of finishing up and eating everything and getting rid of all those storage sugars so that you don't end up with black, chunky smoke and it's harder to pull through. Yeah, it's just harder to smoke it. You don't want to sound like a drama it came or whatever, but it makes it easier.

Organics make it a bit easier for us to control the ash because we can put a set amount of food in there that we know is not enough for it to live all the way to the end, and then we just you just start dialing it back, essentially the secret. Oh okay, this is great information for anny grower. Um. No, you supplement with organic nutrient right first? You you know that you don't have enough organic soil. We create our own organic soil anyway. Yeah, we have our own dum mix.

Yeah, we have our own mix that we've created over years of cultivation. And not the same mix works for every strain UM, so we have to tune in different mixes for different different needs of Yeah, there's some sense just very hungry, and some strains don't want anything or they want very specific something and not any of anything something else, right, and so um, not all strains like the same crazy you customize your soil per plants, strains

like the same amount of like the same temperature. I mean, so just and it's not. Yeah, it probably does go down to like where the genetics that are being displayed, like, um, where they came from in the world. Right, But you know it's hybrid hybridized so far now that yeah, you got your strains from all around the world mixed into a lot of this this cannabis. So you could see things pop up just super random.

Now it's like how us you know, like in America, you know, it's it's the melting pot is So now you know, I've got you know, lots of different backgrounds um in my heritage. So I've you know, popped out with showing lots of traits of lots of different you know, of my backgrounds. And that's what you see now. So it's really unpredictable. That's a good metaphor for hybridization. It's fascinating. It's really unpredictable. So you're gonna get some plants that just love to live and they're just so

they're just they love you. And you have some plants that it's like like cats, you know what I mean, And you're like, come on, I still want to still gotta keep you alive. Still gotta keep you alive, right, you know. But you know you can eventually, for the most part, figure most of them out, all of them, Like you know, you play with them a few times, you'll realize, oh, this is showing me this and I've seen this before. And you know, it takes them R and D, you know, yeah, at least a

couple two runs, three runs through. Yeah, yeah, first bring us a new pheno of something. Um. Sometimes I mean, when they're easy, then they just go for you, right. Yeah. But some of these, like the older strains, can be some of the more challenging strains. UM. Early og cushes are very difficult. I mean, depending on the cut, they can be very difficult to grow and very difficult to clone.

The old old cuts can sometimes take a long time to rout, and you know, sometimes that's one of the reasons why a lot of these old genetics were lost was because they got so difficult to root over time of being cloned over and over and over and over again. I'm not saying there's a genetic drift, but I'm saying that plants pick up disease or I meantimes they get a little something happens over time. Unless this og cush always was just a bit, you know, but I feel like it, I mean,

it makes sense feel like it's gotten worse over time. Not that the genes have. I'm not saying that it's like changed, you know, at the at the genetic level, but maybe um over time it's been exposed to things that it's you know, suffered from. It's like, yeah, you're making it almost just weaker of a plan just in general, the cellular age of the plan. You know, this is like a limb that's just been growing, you know, since the early nineties. It's never been reseated. You

know, it's just still the same cellular tissue. Just keep like you know, the branch keeps growing. That's all it is. It's this the growing tip just keeps going. You just keep removing the behind you see, like the langoliers Stephen King. No, but that makes no, no, no, that makes I like the picture. And then I mean, maybe it's not the genetic level that changes, but just over time I mean things get

weaker, right, get it aging. It's it's fascinating because it's it's almost like keeping a tree that lived for hundreds of hundreds of hundreds of years, but you it didn't because not like not like visually like you do like a redwood in like the California right like that is one hundreds of front spears.

I don't know how you're blowing my mind. I never thought about a real longevity because like, I know that cannabis bond's eyes exist, but I don't know what what's the oldest cannabis plant Google, We're gonna start with, Oh, well that stuff like that. Well, I used to do this cannabis plant living there there there one somewhere that somebody just has preserved. It's like in a glass dome living I don't know years old, swing in it because

it's so big. It looks like a live oak tree, like like southern Alabama. Right, he's looking it up right now, there's kids playing and canlan no see they said that one. They're said that there's a twenty four hundreds of twenty eight hundred year old cannabis plant remains in a tomb in Jigilely of Too Torpin of northwest China. Yeah, they keep it going. I don't know, I don't know about it. Sounds like it's almost just like

in a tomb. I don't know if it's a good growing anyways. But either way, you know, it's a very fascinating point because like that is pessentially what cloning is is you're just keeping a plant alive longer. And I've never thought of that because I mean ever mothers, because then you see the mother get older, you're bigger. Whatever. Cloning is just a term that we've picked up and you know, adapted and thrown to like our gardening.

All we we're doing is telling a branch to hormonally produce roots in a spot so it's convenient for us to keep this plant alive, so we can cut it and remove it from the plant and then tell the end of the stem to produce roots in that spot and bam, and we just keep rolling. Really that's if you think about it, it's just the continuation of one of the growing tips, and you're just keeping that growing tip alive for years and

years. It's almost like a perpetual stew from like the you know, sixteen hundreds you know they could keep a stew going rolling for like twenty years. That that's just how they really did this, And no kind of makes sense. You were seen this, No, the brewer, the breweries, you're brewing the soup, perpetual stew. They would eat of it, and like, you know, you're probably pretty poor and you as long as you kept the stew at like one hundred and sixty degrees, you could eat off of

it um. So you would just keep adding to it and keep adding to Oh. I thought you were like kind of like like some type of like metaphor or like old like reference like that. I was like, damn, literally, okay, that's the same same way. One hundred and sixty degrees. That would kill off any bad bacteria and you could just keep this stew pot rolling for years and years, right because there was no way to preserve. There was no like fridge back, easier to just go and if you

kept it at one sixty everything would slow cook. It probably tasted pretty weird, but good enough. And it's right, it was food. Things were different, this food pot of food to always build eat. We didn't have a fridge, right, fer so that makes sense. Yeah, and that I just never looked at cannabis like the ericle. Like again I say cloning, but just like the aging of cannabis and the aging of a specific genetic.

Yeah, I'm not just like a strain. I'm sure in the mountains of Nepal there's like this man and he's got, you know, this strain that was passed down from from family, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I'm just familiar with you know, I've never traveled outside of the US except for New Mexico. I would love to go and travel the world and do like the whole strain hunters thing, and you know, it

would it would be enlightening and it would be a lot of fun. But yeah, I would like to learn more about the history of some of this stuff because I feel like I get into like a situation like this and I'm like, I should know more about it. But it's crazy because I'm listening to you and I feel like you know so much, like because you're like, oh, well I did I didn't bring up a strain and you're like,

oh, it grows like this and it looks like this. I'm a you can see it in your eyes that you're seeing it, and like that's so for someone like me, I can't I remember loving it, but I can't remember what it tastes like, but you like literally know what it grows like. So like I guess it's all relative, right, Like there is some guru out there that may you know, but like it's like talking about

food. If you were like talking like somebody was like, oh yeah, like a Hamburger, you'd be like you're thinking like, oh yeah, hamburger. And you see Hamburger right yeah, where they once you've been in contact.

But that's all we do is grow and right right right, you see them all the time every day, and you know, like you come really each plant comes very characteristics and then you know, um, Mikey and Derek are my two growers, shout out, yeah, they're a ma and like, well, we'll see each other and be like you see the plat you see the platinum. She's showing some of the same traits that a lot of

forty five had done. And you know, and you'll ever all in tune with it like that, and it makes it so much easier for us to um put out quality product if we all are understanding it to that level. Oh absolutely, I mean the collective mind is more powerful than a singular right. It's like when you bring everyone's thoughts together and you discuss it, there's like, yeah, you're learning together. Yeah, and everybody has from each other. Yeah, every each guy has their own like, um, real

strengths and it really works out really well. Um, everybody has added something to old school you know that is we couldn't do without too and still produce the same product. Any shout out to the whole team. But do you want to shout out to the whole team? For sure? Shout out everyone? You guys grow some fire product all you every person there does like some super specialized job that nobody else Is this this theirs? And you're like and

and nobody you wouldn't let anybody else do it? What are you doing? That's Brad, what are you doing? You know what I mean? Like it's out everybody knows their place and it's perfect, and it's it's moving. Team makes you so much more powerful, right at first, it took a minute. You're like, you think it's going to be like that. You all run out there and you're so positive and you want to just crush it. But then you realize that, like every you know, it's what you

didn't expect. You know, we went learning to work with people too in different ways, and every problem that a grow could have, we had, you know, from the blues of trying to renovate an old building and then growing it. You know, our building is by no means a new like you know, clean steel build. It's been used for many businesses over the years. I think it was originally a window indoor factory and like the thirties, so it was a bit of a you know, we had great engineers

and we had um some skilled builders. But even after that, we've still had all the problems, the leaks, we had a pipe come undone underground and flood our walls. Jeez. Yeah, we've seen our our air conditioners because really there's not very many air conditioning units in the world that can do what we're trying to tell them to do in the Michigan climate. You know, run it's negative seven outside and we're telling an AC unit sitting outdoor that

it needs to turn on and run all day long. It's like, this makes no sense. This is not what I would design for. This makes no sense. So we've seen our units fail and we've had to and when a unit fails, you know, havoc happen, you know, And so I mean just here losing power. Having generators as such a must too and everything out of swing to for the everything and to have a generator for a facility that has one hundred and twenty thousand lots of grow light. Um,

those are very very expensive generator. I can't immend. So I can only image we can't um easily have obtain one of those and have or even just to have a contract to have one on call. It just WoT you know, Yeah, we couldn't. Those would be big hits. Well, I mean, shout out to your whole team, man, you shout out to your partners, to shout out to everyone that puts in because it sounds like it's definitely a team effort there, Like it is a definitely shout everyone,

well, thank you. Um and I wish I could have everybody here in this room. They would all be in here too, trying to smoke with us. Yeah, if you want to shout anyone out, yeah, definitely right now. Anyone else you want to shout out besides your team that helped you or along any like any you know, like shout out mom like, I don't know, I don't know anyone you know, um, absolutely, uh sure mom, oh no our lab ACT Laboratories cool. They have an

absolutely amazing They provide accurate data that the industry one percent needs. You're a testing facility. Yes, oh it's interesting because that's I don't think I've heard of that ACT Labs is out of Lansing. Um they are. Sorry, sorry, no, I was thinking never mind, no nothing else, it's okay, no cool, Just I just know I love hearing that people use the smaller testers because sometimes you see like the bigger ones getting all the markets.

So when you see these like nine, these big ones, I'm like, hell yeah, when you mean good labs, yeah, and then you mean PSI or PETE, okay, is ever a big one? I don't know whatever. I would say that the big theme was the big one I was thinking of. I would say that Verness is probably just everybody else. It's kind of I think there's one more can cambium. That's oh, that's it's okay. I'm sorry, I think kind of that's you know. I would say popular because of um, uh, there do a lot of tests

pass just terpians. I think they were trying to work on flavonoids and other things, and so a lot of the concentrate companies were flocking to them, and the people I don't know. I love the ACT act at Labs. Hell yeah, they're a multi state operator. They came to Michigan I think the year before we were licensed, and um, we were approached by one of their salespeople and she's just been absolutely amazing. All the customer service.

Um, everything at act Labs is just tight and done properly, and I know that I'm going to get accurate results and within four days every single time, like clockwork. We did do pretty well at the Michigan Marijuana Report. Um, they do their annual conference. Remember the magazine, Oh yeah, this was I used to take them home a yeah, yeah they still they still do their um thing. Sugar cones one first place, Sativa UM, the sugar cones, live resin pen one second place, uh um concentrate UM

cartridges. I think that it wasn't any like we lost to a live rasin. So it wasn't like really wasn't any concentrate in a in a car? Interesting, right, they didn't separate it solvent solvent but because still I was still super happy with that. That's awesome. Congratulations on them. Yeah, and then we had a couple other wins, a third place hybrid and um oh second place pre roll nice yeah for the jet field pope, Oh my god, I see yeah, I love that stuff. Man Tasty. Definitely

enjoyed that. Um, that was the first time we had ever won anything. We've competed quite a few times though, now, Um, just keep keep trying. It's fine. I mean, I don't got some winds on your belt. They're fun, they're fun. I like to see what's uh, what's out there, and it's a good chance to see, um, what the consumers are into. Yeah, it's true, see what people are really digging. That's a good point. Yeah, and seeing how you measure up to the market. Right, everybody wants to know, you know,

like give yourself some sorts. Good for yourself to know. I mean you gotta you gotta know where you're at. I mean, yeah, not that I need to enter more myself. Yeah, Dave entered his first one, right, got third place for the weed we smoked earlier. Yeah, the organic cup. It was always kind of like I lost that one. Yeah, yeah, as um oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. It was the one before that. What was it? Because you know Judge Strains. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Judge

Strains came and picked up a strain for one of the cups. Was it was? It was the Big Cloud? Was it Big Cloud? I don't know cup they did if they do a few in the summer. He came and picked it up. I can't remember the actual cup. Like I said, I've just been anytime. Sounds like you've been entering. Yeah, hell yeah, keep it alive. I got a competition. I'm like, oh here, yeah, it's a chance. Um. Although we did, um, we stay out of High We stayed out of High Times this year.

Um, well last year it was crazy. Nothing against High Times, nothing against the competition at all. Um. We just didn't feel prepared or ready for it. Well, it's a lot of product too. We a lot of product, Wasn't it like a lot? When dn K was telling us there's a lot. I mean, all of these competitions, especially when they have a box, it's going to take a decent amount of products, because you gotta it's gonna be a people's choice and the only way to get all

the people to do a people's choice. That makes sense. Could you need a lot of so it can be you know, not a bit taxing on our inventory, especially as a small company. Um yeah, first, you know, our smaller productivity. It can it definitely feels like more to us to just like, oh, here's a pound for our competition. We're like, damn, it's yeah, I understand you're not. Yeah, yeah,

we're like, you know, we're some coming. You know. They were like you know, they probably like, um, when there's leaks, they like push pounds up against the wall. So any buckets we got some trim yeah exactly, And I know that I um, but keeps you, it keeps healthy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well well we gotta keep doing it. We gets your name, gets your name out there, gets people to try it. That's how that's how we found you. We got you.

Sometimes, Jake, especially with Dispenser, you fall in your routine and where you go because it's it's it's comfortable, right, it's easy, like

you're on the same path. You don't always go to a different despos so you don't always see every strain right correct, every company market It's like, you know, how do you guys stand out when winning these competitions, doing your all organic method, doing these retro lines, coming out with newer school genetics like the Citrus ascension, like coming out all this is like bringing so much demand probably to your guys's product. Plus for us to ret our old

school strains. I love that well thing. Yeah, I think that's sick. I haven't seen anything like that, And we were talking about that like last year. We thought we were gonna see more retro strains. But they hear that you guys are bringing that. I'm like my eyes going to be

peeled on the dispose that you mentioned. I'm gonna to get nice. I'm gonna try to get a nice spread across the state so that um, we people feel like they all can get a chance because it's gonna it's so hard when you got twelve, thirteen, fourteen strains to try to grow enough of each strained to spread it around. Maybe we do need to focus a little bit more on, you know, certain heavy hitters. But I need the variety in my life. And I mean hopefully when when we do drop these,

everybody gets a chance to go and find something. We'll do our best to get it everywhere though all over the state. We're like you said, we that's why we're happy with the competitions. We get to find you. But like you said, uh where else can we find you? Besides Quality Roots? Just a week everyone remembers, oh, Quality Roots, GLH, Local Roots, Lanesburg up Cannabis, flint Um, all ascend locations. There we go, there we go. M just want to make sure they know

because like this stuff is fire. Thank you. I really enjoyed it. And I see your passion in your eyes for your plans due and that's huge because you know a lot of times you're you're seeing a lot of bigger players come. So there's still players. Like you said, there's three owners, right, you and two others that started this thing. Now only ten more

employees after that. So it's like it's still very small, it's all and we we want to we want to keep it that way, um, so that we can just like brewing beer, you know, every time the brewery produces more beer, do you see a quality the quality keeps? You know, getting small batch is important. You know, we're just gonna keep going. Yeah, one little room at a time. You want to ask your final question, let you ask? Oh, all right, so we always

ask this, uh last question. It's kind of like a fun question. Um, Dave made it up since the first one we've been asked. It is straight up fun. You can take as long as you need to think about it, essentially. Okay, So imagine you're going to open an eighth right, open your eighth boom, and a cannabis genie comes out right and you're like, oh, snap, Genie, this is really clever. I

sell it. We do. Yeah, I know, but cannais Genie comes out and you in the campastry says I would grant you one wish for the campas industry. What would that one wish be? Because we have so many things with safe banking to criminalization and you know, people can't find strange, Like there's so many things that are like hard right in the industry. So any one thing, oh man, yeah, see I know an it always

is. That's like I feel likes America right world hunger. Um. I think that if I couldn't make anyone change, it would be um you know or did you say change or anyone any one wish for the industry? Yeah, any industry. Yeah, I like that, Like that's probably a better way to say, Yeah, one wish an industry just you know, people put out quality product that they can take pride into. I nobody wants.

I don't think it's fair to put out a bun to put product onto the market that you wouldn't consume personally, because you know that it wasn't grown with the love that deserved right, and you know that you might have used some search shady practices, and you might have cutt in some corners, and um, you even know that there might even be some hazards or some you know,

you're just not putting out there's so much of it out there. Yeah, you're just selling stuff to make money, and you're not really putting that love into it. Like I see the love you putting in. There's a lot of there's I could smell it. There's a good twenty there's a good twenty brands in the state that that are putting that passion into it. And all you guys that are doing that, keep doing it. And we're going to keep doing it with you guys, and we're going to keep the Michigan

market top notch. And that's that's what I would wish for the Michigan market. I'd wish for it to lead the cannabis industry in the nation, to show everybody what real qual we stand up to. Kelly, I don't care what anyone says. Yeah, yeah, I UM took a trip out to La not too long ago, and UM, I took weed with me on the plane because I even even though California, even though California has weed, I needed to bring my weed with me, right, And I'm so glad

that I did. Yeah. So, I mean, if you go to a dispo in California, maybe I'm sure that I've had some boo boos and I've had some good bud like the same same thing as Michigan. It's the same as Michigan. And it's you win some and you lose something. But I typically lost out there. I feel you. Yeah, yeah, we got some anywhere I go. I still want to look. I want to see what Vegas we tried. It was just love. It was dry out there. Yeah, the arid climate. Oh my god, it's so dry

everything. Yeah. And I don't do Beavita packs like I'm more like the humid or type person who take a whole room and do complete climate control on it and then you you know, it's like day with the six cigars. It's exactly I mean, this should be this should be treated like a cigar, but then aaratype, which I mean some cigars you know are kept jaratyp Yeah yeah yeah, no similar stuff, dude, And thank you Jason, the whole team. Yes, Old School Organics man, you guys love your

product. Can't wait to smoke at all. Yeah. Um, thanks everybody at Old School Organics. Hell and thanks everybody that's helped us out along the way. Thank you guys for having us. Anytime you guys ever want to come and hang out, you're more than welcome. Hell yeah, we definitely will. Old School Organics Old School Organics for twenty check them out on ig so if you see the bag, check it out. Retro coming soon. Yes, yeah, very excited. Thank you Jason and UH. As always, we're here to advocate