Yo, what's going on? Everybody? Welcome to a new episode of My Candcast. I'm Canada, Dave, I'm groovy. On today's episode, we have special guests Man man Plant joining us today. Hey, thank you for joining us. I'm really excited for this woman. Uh a quick little breakdown. We actually met you at I'm just a little bit to get this going, hoh Man playing phone tag and just saying busy schedules. We've been trying to make this happen since Bisco. We met at the Fena after party.
That was a good time, man. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. And for those who haven't been njbiz Con, you definitely got to get out there. It's definitely an experienced Yeah, definitely a place for networking and me and other people, especially creators and influencers and just learning really about
the market and what's you know, the culture around. Like I mean, I think the big thing you hit the nail on the head with is that it's not just like you know, people with skew numbers, right, Like, I think a lot of people assume it's just a business conference, which it is, but it's not just if you're selling product. There's so much that go into the industry and it's so cool to see it. The networking is huge. I mean it sets less up with a bunch of interviews.
I mean, look that we got you on We're about to uh learn more about you and talk about your podcast and we might be featured on that too. But before we get into that, who are you and what do you do? Break us down? Break it down? Okay, So Madman Plant is actually a business UM registered here in Virginia. Were Um, as you see on the table, We're a three D printed manufacturer, so um a little bit. Madman Plant. When I first started growing it was illegal in
Virginia. I was before the curve, and I felt like a madman because you know, I was like risking it all. You know. I had this room that I'm in used to be just have tents in it, you know what I mean. And we've fully built it out over time in the span of like a year and a half, and it went from hiding it in this one little room from the world to being on YouTube to everything.
And what kind of happened was we went on Instagram and I started promoting, you know, my photos and then I have another three D printing business, and somebody told me about low stress training clips and I was like, well, shit, we have three D printers, we could make those. So I looked into it and I was like, you know, there's a lot of different designs. We made our own. That's one thing about us is we don't download and print. Everything is custom designed by us. So these
are all one off pieces. But we looked at the community and then we reached out to the community and we're like, hey, what do you guys
need, what do you guys want? You know, And we got a lot of feedback and we turned that into a business model and turned it into a company and now a Madman Plant, you know, the avatar and me and everything is more of like the spokesperson for the company, who's you know, doing other things like connecting and interacting, you know, being communal, learning about different things, but also you know, working to build products that
people can use in their own lifestyle, from like our smoking accessories like our high jar, to like dab stations, to vertical spacing that you can put up in your tent. You know, it's real and everything, Mantle everything plan. Those are low stressed training clips on the table right there as well. Too, Yeah, right here, and these are our triclips. And then we actually um for Halloween last year, we did bat clips, so it makes it look like there's bats all on your branches instead of just the
regular clips. And then we have like our mainliners. So if you're going to mainline your plant, you top off the top part and now your two main branches will ride on that system, pushing them further out. What I used to do is do tie downs. But the problem with tie downs is if you top the men, like let's say you're living soil person, you can't get into your garden anymore because you got all these strings and all these
like digs going in the ground. So this allows all that training and technique to be above that canopy versus below, allowing you to still interact with your soil and you know all that jazz. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, oh yeah it does. So you're growing before it was legal, Like what led you to growing? Like what led you into the industry? Obviously the three D, the clippings and then all that, but what got you into growing? And like, how do you do you consume cannabis as well?
I would say, yeah, so what got into growing? Was. I used to spend like a thousand dollars a month on weed, right I smoke religiously, right, Yeah, exactly, And I didn't want to pay for weed anymore. Plus at the time, it wasn't legal in Virginia, so I would have to go to DC, and I you know, I work in DC with my clients, so you know, I'm back and forth from there anyways. But i'd have to call advance or make it like you know, you texted the app where weed, and then you have to make your
order, Then they verify your time. Then you got to show up forty five minutes early. You got to wait in your car for anywhere from thirty to forty five minutes. Sometimes they'll reroute you. Sometimes they'll make you go
to another stop where there'll be to pick up your order. It's really like, it's really awkward and so much well, in DC, they'll drive it to you, or they'll bring it right to you to your house, or you can go pick it up. So if you're coming from in and out of town like I was, you'd call in advance and then they'd tell you
where to meets. So they'd be like whole greens off of you know, Case Street, and then you would go there and then they would text you, and then you walk over the car, you give them the money,
they give you your bag. It's all packaged up really professional, but it's it's still like the black label style and what you're paying for versus what you're getting versus what I can grow here, right, you know, and maybe a little bit more of an investment because you know, now I got soil, electricity, all these other things, but my output is way better than
what I was buying and spending a thousand dollars a month on. So it was taking it and being like, well, you know, I consume a lot from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed. I'm stone and it just helps me work. I have ADHD and like really bad anxiety and stuff. Right for me, it really helps kind of like like take the edge off, you know, and allow me to calm down, really focused, get my work done. And for me it works.
You know, other people and maybe gets them in the couch and they can't do anything, but for me, I actually think it if it is like a nutrient or like preaching a choir, you really are preaching to the choir here because like I feel the exact same way. I can a word it better because like it does affect me in a way that it's like I don't want it to say it's different than others, but like how people describe it slowing them down, I mean I get what they mean. You take ane,
you smoke enough, way it'll slow you down. But like generally it really keeps me moving, like I did, as long as I use it in moderation or use it in my what I can do right you know, if I'm obviously, if I'm smoking seven joints, I mean I'm slowing down, you know, yeah for sure? For Sue. Yeah, so you got a favorite strain? Oh good question, Okay, So yes I do. My favorite strain right now is cherry Avenue. I've grown that out of
my last gross serie and it was phenomenal. We've been hearing a lot of cherry genetics to getting trop cherry like cherry this it's popular right now too, Like there's just something about it, but it's kind of funny. Sorry, So envy genetics is Cherry Avenue. So they're no longer together, but they still sell their packs. They I think they split up, but it's called Envy Genetics and they make a whole wide range of different seeds, but their
cherry avenue was phenomenal. I actually picked that up at the last National Cannabis Festival in DC from um Neptune Seed Bank. They were out there. I've heard of that tune, actually almost bought from there. What's the you know the cross is on that? I'm just you know, you know, I don't know the crosses on it, But I can get you the information after the show and we can play. Yeah. I'm just yeah, no,
I'm just so so curious. That just sounds like a good strain. Yeah, well let's let's get into uh like so let's get into some madmen playing questions. Now we got a little backste what dude, UM, do you have like a like a mission statement or something that like you're like your goal, you're that you do for maman plant, you're trying to do. Yeah, if you go to our website, UM, we have a lot of information, a lot of content, a lot of writing, and it really
articulates kind of what we're doing. And the mission statement really is it's we're about education, motivation, and inspiration. Our job is here is to create a positive environment for you to learn, grow, and experience. The funny thing is is we all talk about how how we want to grow these really great plants and how we want to be these great growers, But what happens is it's all internalized. What about the community of growing, what about growing
together? And when we look at it, people are really isolated and people don't want to share information. They don't want to share trade secrets because they're afraid of other people will learn how to do it. And I want to break that stigma. You know, the value is in the United States right now we have a real chance to keep this normalize and to keep pushing this for homegrowers because I'm all about the home guards. I'm not all about the
corporations or anything like that. But what I really free. It's not really free if it's controlled. Yeah. Well, and also too is you know we talk about, like I said, growing these plants, but what about growing each other? What about empowering each other, teaching each other, allowing
other people to learn. And that's why we started our nonprofit and No Clone Left Behind, which is also like just a movement in general, which is the fact that when you're in your garden and you are to folliating those plant limbs that you're thrown away our life going in the And you could easily give that to somebody and they could grow that plan out and then have the nutrients or medicine or whatever they want to call it for themselves, and now you've
now inspired somebody else to start growing. A lot of people have this concept when I talk to them about not having a green thumb. Well, the plants have been growing on their own for years and years and years. It's just simple inputs. And when you learn to understand the plant, which is honestly more so just leaving it alone allowing it to grow, you get really
good success. And I think that the power of doing that is not only helping sustainable agriculture, but it's also showing people that this is a communal plant. Any plant is clonable, you know what I mean. And being able to give that to somebody and then they come back six months later and they're like, hey, man, check this out. Here's an eighth This is off the clone that you gave me No. Nine weeks ago, and it flowered and it was amazing. He's like, you know, and I've had
that experience before. So I think that's pretty much. You know, the big basis of the mission statement is it's it's all about positivity, good energy, getting to the right information, eliminating bro science, the stigma. I don't follow on a politics scale. I'm just here to instill goodness in the community. I mean, I get a lot of shit from my mask as is, you know what I mean. So my real big thing is positivity, and I think that's what the world needs, even if you're not a
marijuana grower. Yeah, I do want to I want to ask like two things. First of well, bro science, what do you mean by that? I just like want to, like so for some maybe some of our listeners who haven't heard that term and like and for me, yeah, so bro science is something that your friend came up with because he heard it from somebody with no real research. Like, for the instance, cloning generational plants,
Like let's say you take a mother and you clone it out. Well, some people say you can only clone three generations of that plant and then it'll start to degrade. That's bullshit. You can clone that plant as many times down as you want, interesting and it'll still be the same plant because it's the same clone. It's the same pheno. And that's what I'm talking about. Bros. Science. Whoever said that it goes around like wildfire? And I heard in my clone classes all the time, and I'm telling people
that's not true, you know what I mean. Interesting, I get it, But there's a lot of miss if someone you know, shit, this is how you do it, and then it's just been passed on wrong, you know. So, or you talk to somebody that's never grown, that just has a bunch of information about growing, and it's like, huh right,
right, right, I read I read it on the internet. They can't lie there everything On the other that's right, Um, you just mentioned the face covering, man, I ask why that you you would do wear the face covering. Yeah, and that's specific face covering as well too, and I'm curious on that, Like, yeah, the great two questions. So the first question is, um, my son has autism, and I'm heavily involved with his schooling as far as boy scouts, his soccer coaching.
So I'm want a lot of things that require background checks and I'm looked at. Plus I'm a multi business owner. I own multiple businesses and the public lies. I have government contracts. I work with a lot of school systems, education systems. So it's not that I don't want to show my face. It's just if one of these contracts sees my face on the camera,
it just doesn't go with their their mission statement of what they're doing. And that unfortunately, that's the stigma that we live in and that's unfortunate for me. But at the same time, I still want to be out here. I still want to be here. It visited me. You got something to say, right, and I appreciate that. That's why when we met you were like and then we looked at your content, I're like, oh, I like this cat. We definitely want to get you on and stuff and
talk about it. But I just find its fascinating that you get slacked for that, so for wanting to maintain necessarily your real life. But because like right now, we live in a place where it's not decriminalized yet, you can still be looking especially like you know, maybe here in Michigan or in California where it's been legal for a long long time, you just kind of forget that. But it's like, is not like that everywhere and very much
different everywhere in every state. I mean in our nation, people have bad views. Like you said, if you got a government, if you got government contracts, um, a lot of government officials still don't like cannabis. Like that makes complete sense on the mask and then um second yeah, so and then that's a touch on it is. When you're a business owner, it's a lot different than working for somebody because working for somebody, you're kind
of under that shield that you're protected by that umbrella of the business. Right, So they're looking at like Verizon, So Verizon is a reputable company, right, so they're not looking at the individual. But when you're the business owner and you're going in introducing yourself as the owner, people look at you differently and they will find reasons which you can't even fathom of why they don't
want to spend money with you. And it could be as it was that and I actually dealt with a thing where they tried to remove me from the cub Scouts because I quote unquote smelled like weed. Now the guy that quote unquote said I smell like weed is an alcoholic and then the d EA. But you know, it's kind of funny that you know, he goes home and drinks every night. But I can't. I can't show up early. I think about a really great mood with the kids, running awesome classes,
the cub Scout leader and everybody goes home. And you know, I also teach soccer, you know, I do a lot of different things. And it's just so funny that I'm the problem still, right, you know what I mean, because I'm the one that stone you know what I mean. But I mean, it's weird the reality, yeah, you live in that we live in this place where like people are still allowed to pass judgment because
that stigma is still very alive and well you know. But at the same time, it's like the only reason why he knows is because it smells. It's such a strong smell, like you know, I mean, like he wouldn't even it's like mind business, you know, like I'm not over here
for when you're you know, drinking. He literally said, hey, can I talk to you for a second, pulled me out of the classroom and said, hey, I don't know if it's in the by laws, but you smell like weed, and I'm going to do everything in my power to remove you from your position. I was like, yeah, and I was like good luck. I went into the classroom, picked up my son, walked out, had some words with them, caught him a joke, and
we left the ability and I joined another cub Scout group. And the person that put me as I'm a committee lead now, so I'm way higher in the position she used to grow weed back in college. I'll open your mind a little bit. And that's a big thing. People who smoke cannabis and understand cannabis know that. It was like if you smoke a ball, you're still okay, you know. I mean like the people will have a little
bit more understanding. That person's coming from a place of not understanding and probably misinformation and passed on propaganda or just hate in general, you know. And it's such a shame that though you know, he can just be like, oh, I'm gonna get you out of your power, Like, okay, calm down, get off your high horse. Well, I lived at the by laws. As long as I'm not promoting it, advertising it, selling it, or influencing the kids to use it, it doesn't matter what I
fucking do before or after. It's in the buy laws and it says includes marijuana. Yeah okay, And as far as the mask, a lot of people are like, oh, you know, I'm hiding from something, you know. They feel like it's a Vice documentary. Every time they watch my content, they say that I can't make a real connection with people because they can't see my face. And the funny thing is, when I'm at these
events, I usually have the mask off. I only put the mask on when I'm really on camera, so most people who meet me actually get to see my face, so it's not really like I'm hiding myself. I just got to do this for public reasons because I don't want to lose the opportunity to be in my son's life and my son having autism, that's very important to me, you know what, I mean to remain in sha positions. I'm glad you shared this because it's a very personal you know reason, you
know. And I'm you know, stick to your guns, because like you know, can't let the internet, you know, judge us and give a shit because at the end of the day, they're always gonna have opinions. Yep. And then your next question, why is it checkered? The reason that it's checkered is I didn't want to be one color, right, and I think also what people think and even understand about the mask is what I bring is a non biased approach. In the world that we live in,
we're very judgmental. We're quick to judge based on what you look like, how you speak, anything like this, And when you come to my content, you don't know what I look like if you've never met me in person, right, And I think that's the beauty of it is it's the forefront of what I'm actually talking about. So there is no cash and judgment. I'm not black, I'm not white, I'm not Hispanic, I'm not Asian, I'm everything these black and whites is a communal look. It's not one
color, it's not one demographic. It's all about the plant, the education, the inspiration. That's what this is about. So in a way, it's not even about me. So why why you know, at the end of the day, you know, my face really doesn't matter. What matters is our time together and what we can learn and how we can influence each others to smoke better, grow better, you know, enjoy life better. You know we have like the world is hurting and as people, especially in
the it seems to be in the cannabis community. We seem to be about healing and I've seen a lot of that and I think that is beautiful and I think more people need to understand that when you we're in the cannabis realm, there's like a communal hug that you like, you feel from the community, whether it's through your content, or whether it's through networking event, or whether it's just through smoking with somebody, you know what I mean, there's
a connection. And I think, like like Nelson Mandel said that sports brings men and women together like nothing else. I think weed is also included in that. Yeah, I think there's a lot like it's like a universal thing. I say the same thing about music, right because it's something that even if you don't understand it, you can understand it just by being surrounded by It's something that's like just in us, like it's just a feeling, right
Yeah, and this music are artistic expression. I think that I do agree, and I think cannabis is one of those things that especially now the educations out there or not education, though the information is out there, it's like we know cannabis is around for years, thousands of thousands of years all around the globe, you know so, and only just recently this little fraction of what is it almost one hundred years now where it's been like illegal like and
looked at is like the worst thing ever. So dude wild honestly had a quick question, is it medical or illegal out there by you? Okay, So we're in Virginia, So as you can see behind me, we're illegally allowed to have four plants, which I have back here. You can have as much as you want in your house. When you go out of your house, you're allowed to have an ounce on you at any time. If you have more than an ounce on you in your cart, you can get
a fine. Same thing with smoking in public, Like if you smoke down the street and the cops saw you, they give you a twenty five dollars ticket. It's the same equivalent as a parking ticket. But you can still get ticketed for it. So it's it's like a really gray area. You can't sell it, but you can give it for free, and you can also sell You can sell seeds, but you can't sell weed. They call it donation out here. Yeah, that's strictly in our laws. There's no
donations or gifting allowed. Here, we have gifting. That's what we're allowed to do. You can just give anyone totally enough you can gift. So like if you if you grow outdoors, you're allowed to legally grow twelve plants here in Michigan, So I get that outdoor season, everyone's gifting. At least a lot of people grow some plants. I mean, I definitely feel like your legislation definitely has to push to get more because it's it's going four.
But like that, at least it's something. Man, that New Jersey stuff where they can't even grow blows my mind. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Is it four flowering plants or four plants total? So traditionally how it's written is it's two plants and veg and two plants and flower. Now you know I and you know I'm not gonna section off a room to do that, you know what I mean? So I have my four plants all in one
stage. But technically that's the way. But if you go on the Virginia cultivation page on Facebook, you're gonna see that some people just don't know how to count. Yeah, all right, what you mean? And then it's like five ten we're on Facebook they're washing. Oh yeah, you you see some of these people's backyards. They got like huge eleven foot like monsters and two three four. Yeah, they just how big one plant had to be. They just said one plant, So you grow it outdoors, you gotta
tree. You know, there's like eight pounds off one plant and eight pounds off another plant. Amen. That that. I like that type of interpretation of the law because at least you're like, hey, man, I did what you said, but you know, yield it a lot, because that's like the kind of the loophole of like at least it makes it viable. I mean, yeah, sure, eight pounds would be ridiculous, but even if you could grow called plants and just do that like that, at least
that does open the option. That's why I was saying, at least you have something to grow. You know. I think Illinois is very similar to you. I think they have five yeah. Yeah, yeah. Some states, like I think it's Oklahoma, you can get a caregiver's license and that allows you at x amount of plants and you just give the way the weed away for free to people that actually need to, like people with like disabilities or like like I'm granny with glacoma or or whatever. You know, we
have something similar in Michigan. Uh canaddaves a caregiver? Yeah, you're like twelve plants per patient. Yeah, okay, yeah something like that. Yeah. You just basically the patient can't grow. They just signed off their plants or whatever. And what was they gonna say? Oh yeah, and then gifting is free, so they they I will say, like when we hear about other legislation Michigan, like, does it pretty solidly? You know? So I like what we got over here. Um. I love that we're
in your grow right now. So I'm gonna hit you with a couple of grow questions here. But I see you got the d at the Great Lakes Water or d NC banner behind you. So are you currently running uh the Detroit Nutrient Company soil? Yeah? So I've always used Detroit Nutrient Company, I really, I just always have liked it, um just mainly just it's a really soft soil, um and it just does really well. Plus it's a living soil, so it has a lot of your properties. So um,
it's always been really good sustainable. As you can see in the background, we're actually running cocoa and these living soil. Um, I have outside with the peppers. Um, but I out for veggies because I'm actually gonna do that this year. So I'm curious you're talking about like I use, I use the Tommies or Detroit Nutrient Companies soil like Tommy shout out Tommy. Um, yeah, I love his stuff. But how did the peppers turn out? Amazing? And one thing great about the living soil outdoors is you
really don't need to hit it with anything. Last year, I mean, we did some guy green, which is usually what I would mix when I do live in soil as I top of men with guy green and worm castings. But outside, I mean we had some of the best peppers I mean, and it lasted all the way through the season. Really good plants,
really robust plants, and you'll see that this year. Every year, we have about fifty plants on our backdeck, all peppers because we have the nonprofits, so we teach the classes, so we need the plants to take to the classes. So because it's all hands on, So in our kitchen, we actually have four tents and they're all pepper tents, and there's one clone tent that's by my friend Crimson that's running all of this, so we have
stuff that goes indoors and outdoors. Plus we're on our we're making our own barbecue sauce right now. We partnered up with one of my friends companies called Always Flavored, and they make hot sauce and they won a bunch of awards just recently and they're making me my own Madmant hot sauce that we're coming up with together. So you can actually get that on the website and we'll be growing the peppers here. It will actually be in the hot sauce and it'll
be like limited runs, so it's gonna be really cool. I have to get some. Yeah, yeah, I'll send you guys a bottle. That's cool. Man, that's awesome, Like I and you know you definitely. I just love that you're also growing plants too. I just had to say that, like, you know you respectively, Like you know, people we talk about a lot of cannabis growing, but like talk about living as well,
Like a lot of the skills go back and forth. I mean, that's how you got into gardening cannabis gardening is you would guard with the grandma when you do you know, so it's like crazy, Like I love hearing that though, So that's cool. Goes back and forth, you know trainstones um are using floorflex uh drip featers in there or what is? Yeah? So on the here we have our peppers on this side, we have our cannabis on this side. It's running off of a thirty two gallon reservoir which
you see right here, this brute trash can. It has the pump that goes to the wall and then PBC piping that goes into the bay and then it hits the octoheads. That's not the real name for you, that's what I just call it. And then they go to the rings and then they drip through. So they have the matrix dish on top and then this matrix pad which is like this neopreme like material. And what it happened. What it does is when the water hits it, it helps even out the water.
So it's not just pulling in one area when the drippers run um so, but everything's running off the same feed, So the peppers and the cannabis plants are running off the same reservoir. So it just it just loops over to that side and it kind of it kind of back to what you were saying, is a lot of this is universal. A lot of people think, oh, you know, all these products are just for weed, and it's like, no, it's all for the plants. It's all plants.
You know, when you talk about all the nutrients and stuff you're talking about, you know how the plant is taking it. You know, whether it's like a synthetic where you know the plant takes it right away, like every time here, because that we're running Athena right now when we push the button, whatever is in that reservoir is also now in those plants, and that
plant is absorbing those nutrients right away. When you're in that living soil, you water that soil, but the soil has to break down those nutrients and then the plant can take it up. So there's a delay. That's why when you run synthetics you can easily burn up your plants. Where living soil, living soil can balance itself back out. So there's a lot of properties. And when Tommy was actually here in the bro room, he did a
podcast with us here when he signed the banner and everything. We talked a lot about you know the values of that and how you don't even need to pH. You know, living soil will run its own pH, you know, and that's some of the benefits is you know, with the system like this, it's a little bit more complicated. You're you're worried about pH. You got to get your ec right, you know, you've got to be on numbers. With living soil. You could just water it, put some
worm castings in it, water it top of men, water it. You know what I mean? And you're good. And if you look at my older videos on YouTube, I did all live in soil and we had monsters plans like ten gallons in the four by four. I have one where I poked my head through and it looks like I'm in just a guard in a weed. It's really funny. Love it. I love it. I'm all about the living soil. So I was just curious a couple are you running A couple of girl questions? But are you running LEDs or hps? Sorry
I was no ass out on you. Yeah, hit me with them. So right now I'm running hlgs um. I'm sponsored by hlg um. They actually replaced all my lights and for all my grow tents in my house, which is really cool. These are the Torpian diablows. Yeah, because I, like I said, I had the pepper tents downstairs. So in my kitchen I have four tents, two three by threes, a three by five, and then m a two by three on top of that. So I
got a lot going on. But it also lots of plans. Well, my son Logan, he has as his own Google show and he does plan so for he's homeschooled, and we have his own little garden. So one of those tense is actually his very cool, it's very cool. Yeah, And we have like rosemary men, you know, from you know, microgreens to like herbs and spices, you know, all that jazz. That's awesome. Man, I love it getting your hand, getting him, getting him
started young in hands dirty right there, let's get it going. Uh So, like a another question for you here manon plant now, with all the influencers there's so many, there's a lot of good canna cannabis influencers out there in the community right now, what would you say makes you stand out or makes you a little different compared to all of them? Um, for our listeners, why would check you out? Just kidding? I do? I think it's I think it's williness to want to educate and teach people. I
come from an education sign. So if you look a lot about my content, it's less about the humor and the gags and the reels than it is about really talking about value. And one thing too about our own podcasts, which are definitely gonna have you guys on smoke Busters, is we're really talking about the real reasons why people's smoke. And we've talked about suicide, postpromed, depression, incests at at early age, you know, some really hardheading
topics. I've had people cry on my podcast. And what's really cool that I learned and that experience from all these people is they're all healing and they're all doing it on their own. And some of these people are really taking their lives back and they're using cannabis as a way to be all pharmaceuticals to
be free of themselves and it really does make a change. And I think that's what you know I like to think about makes me different, is you know, I'm really taking the time to understand the community, to really interview people like I travel with a different events, like I was just a knee cannon Massachusetts earlier this year, and um, you know, I'm starting to work with a lot of the companies like I work with Candid Troll. You know, I fly out there and I'm doing their like their website video.
So I'm working with a lot of people in different capacities. That's other than just content related for a Madman plant, And that's more of the background of
like you know, my production company where I do that full time. And it's like, Okay, how can I not only come in here as an influencer, but how can I come in here and help you actually drive sales or drive business or increased numbers Like last year for Petro Tools out of four thousand people, I was their top selling affiliate for their sprayers last year. You know what I mean out of four thousand people. Nice dude, you
know what I mean. I love I love your like uh, I don't know if I call morals, but like aspirations because you know, our little our slogan is advocate, educated, inspire, like a lot of our beliefs aligne you know over here in Michigan and what we're doing at my caniccast because even us we started as a podcast because what Dave went through was going through with seven felonies, and I honestly talking about pharmaceuticals, like that's kind of
why I love weed is because I used to have like a problem with like our drugs, like pills and stuff and all that stuff and party rave drugs and all that stuff a lot. And it was like, now I just can smoke, you know, you know, I made party here and there at a music festival, you know, get a little while, have a couple of drinks or whatever, but like it's like it's not me all the time. And I was able to control that with just having that canvas and
I don't you know, self control. And I've taught me a lot, Like we talked about, you know, how it calms us down a bit, right, It's taught me a lot about myself as well. It's a very sacred plant, just like mushrooms and and ayahuasca and cactus and all that type of stuff. Yeah. I just when you talk about that, I I you know, you're preaching the choir over here, just so you know, no, And I think that's beautiful and the same thing. You know,
I was a big rave person. I actually learned how to shoot video at I used to film the DJ's until I started about fourteen years ago. But same thing with you, you know, going on those trips on mushrooms or acid, you know, taking that time to really see yourself out and expand your mind. You know a lot of people are like, oh,
you're just getting high, You're just getting stoned. But if you're if you have the discipline and the mindset, you can I believe that you can use these drugs in a responsible way, like LSD, psilocybin, mescaline and all these different things in a very pharmaceutical and psychological way that can really empower somebody.
You know. I don't know if you guys are familiar with ibow Gain, but ibow Gain is a route from Africa and it's a serious psychedelic it's called a I think it's called the sham Shamboo Garden or whatever it is. It's in Africa and it's a retreat. This guy from America quit his corporate job moved to Africa because he found Eebo Gain and it worked for him. And you can go out there if you have like serious like psychological issues and
it's all sponsored and they'll give you it. And some of these people are like heavy methodics they take the drug, they trip an intense trip for thirty six hours, and when they come out of it, their addiction is gone.
They have no craving for alcohol or meth or any of these hard drugs dealing with like like psychological issues, like this woman on the documentary on Discovery Channel that when I was watching all this, you know, she was raped and abused at a young age, and she went through it and when she came out she felt free, and she you know, all those things that haunted her and was holding her back, she said, they don't They're not
there anymore, you know what I mean. I just I just really think that, you know, as we moved forward to this world of enlightenment and further education, we should also retake a look at some of these things we call narcotics and see what real medical properties they have. Because if you think about it, marijuana is is Schedule one narcotic, right that is in the same category as heroin math, and Schedule one means there's no medical or medical
property. States are medical, even how many states are medical. But like cocaine, which is Scheduled two, which is actually a lesser charge, I know, you know what I mean, But Hey, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. And that's one of my favorite thing about you just nail on the head man. It just cracks me up that they're like, oh, it has no medicinal purposes unless you look at half our states that are in the same country even though it's medical and it's legal.
I mean like it needs to be rescheduled and pulled off of scheduled one, and we just need to decriminalize the plant. Like I don't think we're ready for legalization, but decriminalization is like where we need to go in my opinion, Like it is ridiculous that it's scheduled one, like it is not. It's not like Heroin or math. I can tell you no, no, no, oh man, I I can't agree more. I want to.
I want to jump into your Smoke Busters podcast. You just mentioned it, um briefly, and so what type of guests do you have on like the Smoke Busters. It sounds like it's a wide variety of just everyone wants to talk about. It's like nothing specific, like what's some of your favorite guests that you've had on? And then um, give any sneak peeks we could uh learn about as well to love it. They've always trying to get the plug here. Yeah all right. So um, actually, I'm actually
twelve episodes in the rear right now that I gotta get out. I've just been so busy I haven't had time to edit them. Um. My guests range from I've done celebrities like Josh Cesselman when we were in Vegas together, got a good interview with him. UM, Exotic Genetics, UM soul Fire. I really talked to anybody. I talked to homegrowers. You know, I've had a lot of my friends on my podcast. I've had people that
I know through the community. I will I will talk to anybody. If you have a good story and you know you have good value to what you want to talk about, let's talk about it. You know, I'm I'm not subject to one type of person and one type of genre. My biggest thing is, like what we just talked about, is that inspiration, that education. If I can learn from you, if you can inspire the audience, which you know I'm shooting this for, There's just so many ways that
to come in. So I guess my favorite person that I probably interviewed so far, which probably Josh Keusleman from Raw because one that was yeah, cut you off, okay, Yeah, And I've always used Raw. I only use Raw still to this day. Even when they tried to like black ball them and all that dumb shit, I still never changed my opinion about them. And one of the cool things why is that that was the first time really doing the podcast was going out to Vegas. Like the whole Vegas thing
was on a whim. I actually was trying to get connected with canatroll at the time, and I knew that they would be there and they told me that they had to, you know, put off our conversation until they got back. So I was like, well, if I just go out there, I could just meet them. So I was like, Lacy, I'm gonna go to Vegas and she's like, no, you're not. And I was like, yes, I am. And that's mad Madam by the way, my wife and yeah, and she was like, no, one,
I totally believe in your dream. If you want to go, just go. So I told my friend Paul, it was like, let's go to
Vegas. So we jumped on a plane. We went out there and we were just walking around and there's Josh just at his booth at the Raw booth, and I literally just walked up and I was like, hey, dude, do you mind if we do a quick interview, And He's like absolutely and grabbed the microphone and just gave me a really good, seven minute, fully energetic, really connected interview and just it just made me feel good because it just that was the first time really putting myself out there, you know,
trying to get these interviews. And during mj Biscon we did twenty two episodes of my podcast And yeah, so you do really, because I've seen you do different sizes, So you do like ten to fifteen minute podcasts all the way up the full hour long podcasts. Yeah, oh yeah na yeah. So usually when I'm oh, you can go on Spotify, YouTube, um, um, anywhere. The longer format is perfect. But um, one of the man of this last my train of thought, Um, when
I'm on site, That's what I was gonna say. When I'm on site with these people at the conventions, they don't really have a lot of time, so usually those would be like fifteen twenty minutes. When I get people like you, I like to go the full run and say, you know how can we really talk? What can we really dive into? So yeah, it does range based on where we are, how much time I have with somebody. So cool man, Yeah, do you have a gas that you would love to get on smoke as Uh, let's see here. I'd
like to get Seth Rogan or maybe even Stevo on it. Also, he is a great podcast. Yeah, a lot of people say I look and sound like him, So it'd be kind of funny to see, you know, us talking together. How you can see the voice a little bit, he's a little more raspy, but yeah, when I look away, I gotta like listen, Like I'm such an not even nerd, but yeah, right, a little bit, a little bit. That's interesting. I never thought about it like that. That's funny, that's cool, that's cool.
Whole life, it's always been like, oh my god, you look just like Stevo. So yeah, it's been crazy. But um, also, there's this guy named the real life Peter Griffin. Um you can follow him on Instagram. He's a big influencer. He ghost a lot of these commic cons. I think his wife plays Lois or it's his friend that plays Lois and they go out and they do um like gigs and stuff. He's really popular. But he's a big smoker and he smokes a ship ton of weed
and he always talks about his smoking. So I would love to talk to him as Peter Griff like that. Peter Griffin loves the smoke, weed and he and he looks just like him. He's big, he's got the glasses, he's got the voice down. Pat. I mean, you literally think you're talking to him, the real life Peter Griffin. That's who I want on my show. That's fantastic, man, that's fantastic. I love that. I've never ever heard of this person, but I was like, I
would, Uh, I definitely want to real life Peter Griffin. You got you gotta check him out. He is just so cool and he's just so funny. I just had one thing I do. I just was, I'm looking at your website and by the way, I did pull it up earlier when we were going through it when you were talking about it, and I, yeah, I really love your website. But also I just want to point out, like you do stickers too. Yeah, so knows that it's
one of my other companies. Yeah, so I own five companies right now, and one of them, two of them are three D printing, one of them is sticker, and then the other one is video production, and then I have the nonprofit. Um So, with that being said, yeah, we do full stickers, T shirts like I made this T shirt myself, you know. Um So, we do full sublimation stickers, logo designs like we just did average Joe, Average grow Joe's logo and now we're going
to be doing one hundred stickers for him. So sometimes people will come to us for the logo and then we'll also do stickers for them as well.
Damn, I might have to create a logo. Yeah. Well the thing is all ties into my production company because that's what we do for a living outside of cannabis, is we work with these you know, micro businesses to Fortune five hundred companies to agencies, and a lot of times they need graphic design, they need animation, they need video production, and that's what we
offer. So it's really one hundred percent. As I said, we started as a podcast, but now we ended up doing multimedia, like we do so much more and like I totally like, I literally it's awesome, Like I totally hear you. But that's cool that you separate them. I do like that, like we we just have it all on our one umbrella. But I do like how you do that, and I love that how busy to stay man? I look at your website, It's like, what doesn't this? What does it don't you do? Yeah? I get that question
a lot. I do you sleep? I'd tell us another question I get. I usually get about three to four hours of sleep at night. Um. Yeah, I usually stay up with about two or three in the morning, and then I'll just either pass out at the computer or I'll just get so tired I'll just go upstairs and fall asleep. Like this morning. I was up to three am this morning, and then I got up at seven o'clock to get ready for the podcast today. So I've only had four hours
of sleep. But I'm just see. My biggest thing is two years ago, I was dying a really bad car accident with my entire family. Right we were actually on the way to Homegrown, Va to ven for mad Man plant that night. They actually raised five hundred dollars from me, which was really sweet of them, and they're a really great story. But during that accident, if you've never almost died before you. There's a lot of emotion with all of that, right, and I just it was a very just
unsatisfied, just very depressing, just angry emotion that I had. And mainly it was because everything that I'm working on, everything that I've done, it wasn't ever completed. So it was like almost being taken out of the race as the projects just finally being completed and never actually seeing it come to tuition.
It's like John F. Kennedy on the silver dollar. You never got to see his face on the silver dollar, you know what I mean, kind of like one of those things you never got to see the legacy of yourself live on, right. And one of those things is when you have that feeling, it changes you and it makes you want to live life differently. One of my grandmother who passed away for my son was born. One
of the greatest conversations I ever had with her was about her death. I asked her everything I could ask her about her dying, and it was it was a big emotional conversation. But one of the things I got from it was she was at total peace. She didn't care, she didn't wake up tomorrow. She had made her peace. With life and God and the universe and everything. And she was and she was, you know, just peaceful about it. That's how I want to be the next time I danced with
fate. And that's one of the reasons why I pushed myself so hard. Is feel like I just I don't want any stones left on turn, Like if it's tomorrow, I want to be like, you know what, I fucking nailed it the day before, you know, not one of these things. Yeah, it's not like, well what'd you do last month before you Well, I sat on the couch mouth of the time and um, you know, played video games. Wow, what a legacy. I want to
die trying to jump my motorcycle off for bridge or doing something crazy. You know, just just just is about life. And I think that's one of the things about what we talk about is that education inspire is it's about living. Your plants are living, why aren't you? And when you live and you're not out there putting yourself out there trying to get better, you're wasting time and time you may not be here tomorrow. Yeah, preach. I love that attitude that you got. I couldn't said it. I can't even
say our accident. So I don't want to say it like that, but I just love the attitude video. Well. I mean, I have had a friend actually I won't say his name, but it actually came close to dying recently. He fell down some steps, cracked a scope and almost died. Oh man. And it's like, yeah, you know, and he turned his whole life around, like just like doesn't do all the horrible things he has and like used to do, and you know, your whole perspective
change. And so that's the only time I've ever really met someone that went through something truly traumatic like that. You know. I've had my own issues like with like drugs and getting into it, like you know, problems and fall asleep probably some places I shouldn't have and some things like that. And it's like but like nothing I couldn't. I've never seen change like that, Like I have almost died like that, you don't appreciate life. You appreciate
life in a whole different way. And it just hearing your story is just like, um, now I get it. I get why you're so like and you got so much to say and do, so I really, you know, I love it, man, I love it. Well. I
appreciate that, and the same thing to your friend. You know, it wakes you up, it rass you realize that it's kind of one of those things where you just like with this was attractor trailer hid it veered over to a lane and it was in front of us, and um like it just like didn't even seem like that, Like it was like the truck didn't even know that the Honda was there, and it just went right over right. And We're driving and I'm expecting, like, you know, an accident or
something happened. I just don't see anything. I don't see any smoke, any anything. Well, what happened was when the truck clip the car, it put the car in front of the semi. So the Semi is pushing the truck at seventy miles an hour or the Honda seventy miles an hour down the road. The Honda's sideways right, Well, those Honda wheels are still spinning. When that Honda got loose, it's shot out. And when it
spun around three lanes of traffic. And I was on the right left hand side of ninety five and it literally as I was driving, it was spinning and it had been so fast. It's one of those things where everybody's like, oh, you always have time, there's always something you can do. It just proves that things can happen so fast in the blink of an eye. I saw the car coming into my lane. I saw the air bag and that was it. And I came to I was looking around and I
was like, why can't I see anything. I looked down and I'm like, that's the windshield. We're upside down. The car's upside down. We need to get out of the car right now. And it was kind of one of those things when you're in that accident and I can shave the pictures later, when you spin like we spun and actually jumped over the guardrail. The guardrail wasn't even damaged. We were on the opposite side of the guardwood guard rail in the woodline, and when you spin, there's no sense of
rotation. It just felt like we were pile driving the ground. And I've been a lot of car accidents before, and there's two There's two movements. There's you hitting the car and then the car's inertia to where the car comes to a stop. This it felt like somebody was just on a pile driver for like three it felt like three minutes. We were just hitting this ground. It was just the craziest thing ever. And they get the truck driver
never even stopped. They found him two miles down the side of the road, and both drivers claim did not know of anything happening, but their dashcam got it all. So really they just took off. I mean, at least that's what it sounds like. Yeah, I hear allegedly you can't really like prove it, but like, yeah, it's a little fishy with it, but I mean, honestly, like there is a fear of panics,
so they probably just dipped. And like, I'm so happy you're here, man, because when you hear a story like that is it's like that's crazy. My thing too, is accidents happened right, right, So it's what you do after that really shows your character and you're intent, right, So if you were to cause a horrible accident, even though you're in the wrong, Like if I was a truck driver, I would have stopped my truck.
I would have gone out, and I would have started running towards those cars and trying to be of some assistance, you know what I mean. That's just who I am. But for you to run away and then try to lie about your story, you know what I mean? Come on now, like how or even worse, he really wasn't paying attention like I mean you're you're driving you mean like that kid, I mean you said he was a truck driver, right, should be paying attention? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, you literally have a CDL like like pay attention. Yeah, train liquid latex. Jeez, I don't even know what Just straight chemicals. Yeah, just nothing, no big deal, just straight chemicals. Jeez. I want to jump into some future stuff with you, memn playing. Um so you were talking about Biscon. What what events are you attending this year? Are you gonna be at MJ Biscon? Uh in November December this year? Again? Oh yeah big time? Yeah? Um so the events that meant
to already this year? I was at nie Can which was in Massachusetts. It's earlier this year. Um going in um August? I think it is is Midwest Canican. I believe, UM in Detroit. Right, Well, there's a couple of Chicago and there was Detroit last year. Maybe they're combining them. I didn't actually see. I think one of them is in October, and one of them is in August. I can't Detroit's October this year,
You're out. They did push it been It's been in August or July the last That's why when he said August, I was like, okay, So I was planning to come out. Yeah, I was planning to come out to the one in October right before m J Biscon, and then I'm trying to hit it other But the problem is with my company, We've gotten so busy this season. It's really knocked out my tribal plans because you know, obviously my production company is what pays the bills, so that comes first.
Bad man plant. You know it's getting up there, but we're not there yet. Um but um, we get it, you know what I mean. So it knocked out a couple of my trips. Like I was planning to be an Albuquerque, but it's actually my son's birthday next week, so I decided to stay here and be with him, which I thought was more important. Man, my family comes first, rightfully, if you are coming out to I'm not I'm Jay uh Canicon Detroit and iber dude hit us up. We'll be down there. We'll be down there. Yeah, we
could both live in the area. Yeah, oh you already know it. Check out the Definitely, we'll definitely have to do an in person a little prompt to you, and then maybe we can schedule one at the hotel room after because that's what I'm trying to doing um m J Biscon this year is try to set up time slots after the event that I can actually get some really good one on one even if it's just a couple interviews, you know, like a good hour long at you know, MJA Biscon and talk about
it. I like to. Yeah, we love doing Arcanic MJ Biscon type of interviews too. We do them like right at the booth. We definitely saw you round. We're just like hey, hey hey, that's why we were like we have to connect with him. He's like doing a similar aligned, similar like values and shit like for out there in Virginia and like I don't know not about Virginia. So it was still cool to hear and learn so much about just like what you do and things you have to go through.
Dude, I know, right, it's wild Man's Wow. It's always different in every state, you know it is, And that's what's so crazy about cannabis. Some state the legal, some aren't, some grow, some can. These places different I mean, like what I guess to the people out there who don't know Virginia, like what do you see as the future of cannabis in Virginia? And I guess you know, also just in general, but like just Virginia specifically, is there anything you see coming? And
then also what you think about cannabis where you think it's going. Um, As far as like the actual like laws and stuff, I don't follow them too closely. I will say that they just took away the right to do CBD. One of my friend's shop actually has to move because they can't use chis see. I guess I don't know that. Like I said, I don't know the whole details, but pretty much my friend's shop had to close down because the laws changed here in Virginia and they're no longer to make CBD
I guess, or whatever it is with THHC in it. So that kind of like sucked. I guess what i'd like to see, I'd like I guess I'll talk about what I would like to see versus because I really don't want to talk about what I don't know, because, like I said,
I'm not a politician here. I like that I hear. I was just saying, it is all your opinion what I see about you see them going, you know, I think, yeah, I think that if we can continue on our projectory like we are with the community getting inspired, getting educated, getting more people to smoke try cannabis for the first time, lower the stigma, I think it could be around forever. And I think it's something
that could maybe one day be like here's what I thought. Right, So they're all worries, worried about how to make money off a weed, right, And I think a lot of it has to do with well, how would they control making money if everybody could just do this in their backyard. It's unlike alcohol, where you need all this equipment and usually the home beer that people make sucks. Um. You know, this is something that you can be really good at with the right strain, with very little knowledge or
effort or whatever. And I think that it's a lot harder to control than it is with alcohol, and it's a way more process. But my idea is this is this is where you get people back. You offer them attacks four, Like you know how like in certain states, like on the like the soda cans. If you turn it in, it's like five cents a can. Right. Well, since marijuana is one of the strongest fibers as oils, can make textiles, clothing, houses, a lot of different things
that we lack as far as material and natural resources. Everybody that harvests will donate their stems and left over stocks. They'll get a five they'll get you know, five cents per maybe like pound or whatever it is, and the government or you know, the facilities would take that, they would strip down to the stocks, and then they would actually make items that they could reuse, like a toothbrush out of the stocks of a marijuana stem that they were
putting together. That away exactly, you're gonna throw it away anyways, but they could repurpose that. They could take those single files and do something exactly. And now you're paying that people, you know, a percentage that you are those recycled cans, and now you're able to offer more recycled material that's going to help sustain the earth, it's natural resources, and give marijuana even
more greater purpose other than just medical. And honestly, I like that too, because it's like, you know, um, unfortunately, we're definitely motivated by cash here in America. Like no, unfortunately, just it is what it is like. But like even the Aldi carts it's one quarter, We're like, oh, I'll put it back, like you know what I mean, Like like it's really crazy. It's like, but you're one hundred percent.
You do some type of rebate program with it, you're more likely to get people to just be like ah, why not you know yeah, and then maybe like do a thing where you know, hey, if in Virginia you want to have more than four plants, you pay five hundred dollars a year and you can have eight plants. There's five hundred dollars per personal system there. Man, my lights, I just went off on thing. Sorry
about that. No, You're good. No, I saw that. I was like, I've lost my power so many times now, so I'm always like, oh God, I hope you didn't just lose his power. Was everything else is on, you know, we're still getting signal, but um, but no, what I was just saying was, um, what was I just asking? I just asked, uml oh man, I lost track of it. We were just talking about talking about recycling materials and how you know they recycled those materials the stocks. Yeah, we talked about, um,
the joke about Aldi in the quarter and oh the rebate program. Yeah, we're talking about the rebate program. Oh man for hour I was going with two minutes after Yeah, yeah, yeah, any other question yeah, yeah, One thing I do want to say though, Actually I did look this up and there yeah Cherry Freeder crossed with blow Pops back crossed. Damn. I just want to like I did point. I just want to I
did look it up way earlier and I forgot to mention that. So, UM, I wanna we got we got one funny question for you men men plant, but before we get to that, yeah, usually we close with that. But before we get to that, you want to give any shout outs or anything we missed during this interview that you would like to mention, like yours. As far as shout out, I'd just like to think, you know, all my sponsors, all my affiliates, um, the people
that signed up for the affiliate program, the people that support me. UM. You know, all this is our gaining, you know, UM, this all comes from the heart, This all comes from the mind, body, and soul and have people who actually like my content, watch it, engage it. You know. Right now we're up to two hundred and eighty three hours a month on YouTube of people watching Madman Plant, which I think it's incredible because I really don't think I'm that interesting. I have a person
I'm skinning. I think I'm a very cool person. But um, I just think it's cool because I never thought that, you know, I would be somebody that had like a platform that people want to actually interact with and you know, like be able to entertain people in the sense I always wanted to. But usually I'm on the opposite side of the camera in life. And to be able to throw myself go through my head man, like I
feel like we're two p's in a pod. Probably are. I just do I do music and media, but like same difference like a year ago. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I'm like, is this go you hear my thoughts? Yeah, But it's just a creative mindset that allows you to just take yourself away and to just be unique. And you know a lot of this. You know, I'm not I'm not a rich person. You know, I'm not a person that's made of
money. I don't come from money. So a lot of this, you know, through the sponsors, through people helping out, you know, have also made this possible. You know, a lot of this entire setup was donated by Hydroculture. Hydroculture helped put all of this in, you know,
just to help support the show. You know, HLG with the lights, you know, Aero Mixer with the mixers, Athena, you know, CX, all these companies that believe in us individuals, people that are out there just trying to get inspired with gardening, and you give us a chance and you allow us to do whatever we want with that. Some people bomb out, but some people really take that serious, like me and you guys.
And when you're able to get on that same mindset, the same wavelength, like you were just talking about you and me being on, you can do so many things. It's incredible. But it takes that discipline, It takes that consistency, that preparation, the detail, those little things that add up that make you just a little bit better than the other guy that they were just watching. Yeah, man, you know who, I forget what who
you quoted? Was it Elon Musk? It just you know, I don't necessarily, you know, I'm not all elon everything, but like he did say something along the lines of like, if you know you put it in one hundred hours every week, you're working two and a half times as much as the other opponent. So it's like, no matter what, you will always be ahead of them, like and it's like just putting in that extra
grind like really does show in your content. So I respect man. Yeah, another thing too, I would like to um get out there is don't get distracted with the noise. A lot of people are gonna say what they want. I get a lot of negative comments based on my mask and just everything that I do. I mean, you know, people may say when I talk about certain devices or certain things like that, don't don't pay attention
to that. The biggest thing, and this is something I do to myself and that I realize, is you will hurt yourself and hold yourself more back. It's kind of like in a race, if you're running down that line and you're looking at the guy running next to you, who do you think is gonna start going slower? You are because you're looking at him. You're not looking ahead, right, So when you look at other people, you
start comparing oranges to apples. You can get really, really salty. And I found myself in that position, and then I got to remember that it's just not my time yet. You know, these people are here before me, so whatever they have going on, they you know, that's totally cool. But where am I going to be? Am I going to be the person that comes up next? Or am I the person that is never going to come up? And then if you give up, you will never come
up. And that's the biggest thing that I see in this community is everybody comes in hot and heavy, but then they fade away because they don't get what they want. They didn't think it was as easy as they thought. They get discouraged, they don't like somebody. Somebody says something, and if you don't have the wrong lines, whatever it is, they're in it for
the wrong reasons. If you're in it for a belief system or truly believe in something, or if you see that vision right like you know, not the whole away say oh, manifestation, well, manifestation, you know what I'm saying. Like sometimes it's like, okay, I want this, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this, and it's a goal after goal after goal, and sometimes you look back you're like, holy shit, I didn't even think I could do all this, Like you know what I mean. So now
you're you're always you know, so I agree? Oh yeah, man, hell yeah, you want to ask your funny question. Man, it's your question. I want you to ask it, all right, all right, yeah, So we ask everybody that joins us any special gas that comes on. It's a funny question we've been doing since like the beginning of our podcast. Yeah, um, I think episode one. Yeah, so um. Now, imagine you smoke joints, bowls. What's your favorite. I'm assuming papers, So I like papers. I love my bonds. I really much
love anything. As long as it's weed and we smoke, it's going into my lungs. We're good and me and you, Yeah, we have to smoke. So imagine imagine you're just grinding up your weed. You tap it out, tap the grinder, and all of a sudden, the ganza genie pops out and he goes you can you can grant you one wish to change anything in the cannabis industry or anything to do with cannabis. Do it yet
to do with cannabis. What would you wish for and to be able to get in the minds of people that have the native stigma about weed and to be able to show them that there's other things that are fully legal that are way more dangerous. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean maybe McDonald's all the time. That's not I mean again, teach the st he's throwing in all these things. But it's bad for gambling, like you can online do it, like hey, by the way of gambling, coddiction
is a problem. Join here. No, I'm just kidding with those little senses. But they know it's bad. They know it's bad. It's like Dave Ramsey when he's always like, you need to save your money. Oh, sign up from my program today. You can find out how to save money. That's so funny. I listened to his podcast here, I've been listening to his podcast. He says it's all the time. It's so funny you brought that up. He's more for the nine to five or when you
talk about like business owner and mindset. He's the wrong person for that. He's like the guy that's trying to convince you to leave your nine to five job because it's easier just sign up for his program. Yeah. No, he's just trying to He's trying to gauge you on that that hope and that that want of entrepreneurism, which a lot of people strive for, and like
you said, it's really a lot harder. You know, even like when I pulled up your lower third, I had cannibs entrepreneur, but I just got rid of cannabs because like this guy's an entrepreneur in all sorts, you know, because I was like, you know, it just takes a certain mindset, right, and it's like it takes a lot of push. So and you're just gonna understand that failure is going to be the biggest thing that
you're going to deal with and anything that you do. Right, So as long as you're comfortable with failing, you don't get so discouraged because then you just think, Okay, well it didn't work out. Like when we look back in history, like you know, Colonel Sanders, right, he applied a hundred and fifteen times for a business loan, got denied one hundred and fourteen times. If he had quit at ninety four, Popeyes would never have
a competitor because Popeyes came first. Honda when they built their first facility, Hiroshima came giant bomb came blew up their brand new million dollars facility back in the forties. Right, you know what Honda did, They took all that metal, melted it down, started making cars during that time. For a long period in Japan, the Honda was the only car on the road. Coca Cola doctor Pebbleton quit his job as a pharmacist to create his carbonated drink.
Left a good paying job to sell eight bottles a day, maybe at ten cents a bottle. Now with the yeah, but he saw it. You know all these people who just said saw it, you know, And that's the thing. You got to have that vision. And I think especially because and I again to tie this back to the future of cannabis, I truly think that a lot of people have this same vision. If it's it's
not that bad, it's gonna be decriminalized. And I truly think collectively we will get there because it's I mean, like what we were just saying, how many medical states are there, We're almost halfway over half you talk about that, just could that schedule one drug thing. If we get to twenty five or twenty six states where they're all legal, it's their medical it's gonna be like, um no, you're talking legal because we're all legal. Excuse me. And then that's what I meant. I said, Yeah, but
just it's get think it's it's like we're almost are halfway legal. Yeah. Law doesn't even make it doesn't even make sense anymore in this SI situation. No, not at all, not at all. Yeah. Man, Well, great interview. Man, I really appreciate you. Thank thanks for coming on. Like they definitely check it out. Check out his website Matman Plant Everywhere rights where everyone can find you mat Man Plant pretty much. Yeah,
matmanplan dot Com is gonna have all the information. Also, we started online classes, so if anybody's out there all over the world, if you want to take one of my clining passes that I do in person at all these growth stores, you can actually take it online. It's about an hour and twenty minute class. It's really good. I've made the presentation myself. To
me, about like eight hours to make the presentation. But what's really cool is it's all my photos from all my different grows that are actually in the presentation, so only two images and the entire presentation are not mine. And what's great is, you know, I've been able to break it down to a really good detail level of in deafness and it's really fun. A lot
of people who take the course really enjoy it. So if you're out there and you want to take one of my courses, they're going to start being online and we have our first course online coming up on May twenty eighth. It's a Sunday from twelve to one pm. Awesome, Yeah tappened. I mean I saw all your events, listen your upsite, your website's great. By the way, I loved it. We pulled up all myself. Oh really, well awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome. We know how hard
that stuff can be hard too. You know, we got two people on the team here. It's still tough. There, well, many kind of scenes. But yeah, anyways, I just we could do this for days. So I can't wait to get on your podcast. Do some smoke. Can dig in deep. We can dig in deep, and I love that, you know today, That's what I'm saying, that we can dig in deep. You know, you can ask us about our stuff, but we got to dig in mad Men Plan today and it's been really great. Shout
out to everyone in Michigan. If you're ever you're looking for good content, check it out. Also, thank you for letting us. I believe you told us before. We're your first interview, right, Oh yeah, yeah, no the Mochan exclusive. Yes, it's funny that you said vice because I literally said that, like I was like, he's gonna have the mask
on. It's gonna feel like another advice. But we literally just did our first mask interview like last week or two weeks ago, so I was like, oh, this is gonna be our second one ever doing this for our first official podcast. We just did a live stream with them. Um, but this is his mask. It was just literally just like a cover over his eyes and then a hat that was down here. I think it was DNC hat too. Yeah, everyone's talking Tommy like so and you just kind
of like you're talking mushrooms and so. But yeah, he in the mushrooms and growing mushrooms. And now again we're talking a whole other thing, sacred plants, Like we gotta free these plants. Man, they're not They're doing more good than harm. I understand, legalization could be you know, a little scared for some people because people don't can't, don't know how it's you know, some people aren't ready for mushrooms. You don't like if I could
buy them at seven to eleven. But if people really learn and treat these plants with respect, there's so much to gain from them personally. Yeah, no, you put that perfect roovie. Well, thank you, Thank you, mem and Plant. Thank you for the exclusive interview. We appreciate it, Hey, we appreciate that. Um, we will be linking up at some of these events coming up in the fall, which we can wait because we're going in the summer. So no, I'm ready for the summer.
But I'm looking forward to linking up in Canacon and then at MJ biscon I dude, so we'll be in contact. Thank you again for coming on. Thank you for letting our listeners learn all about you. This was phenomenal. Thanks for the opportunity. Thank you. Oh yeah, Michigan, go check them out. And as always been, we're here to advocate d K and inspired. So next time, y'all. MHM