Blacklist of MI Cannabis

Yo, what's going on? Everybody? Welcome to a new episode of My Cannon Cast. I'm Canadave and on today's episode, we have two special guests who started a group in Michigan called Blacklist of Michigan's for cannabis companies that have not paid their dues. And this group has been popping off since i'd say about December. So thank you Brandon and Kate for joining us of Emerald Fire. Kate, VP, Brandon Director of Operations, thank you, thank you,

thanks for having us. And also one of you guys are our partner partners too, so shout out to that now shout I'm a fire provisioner. We're just like, well, we shout you out. So it's nice actually have your face. And for a very good reason, no, for a very good reason, I will let you guys talk a little bit about the group. But yeah, let's uh, let's get some background, a little background on you guys before we jump into this group, because I'm you know,

it's gonna be fun. It's a little background history on you, Kya. Yeah, So I've been with Emerald Fire for about two years now. I'm the VP of operations over there. Started out running the discpo. I did the corporate thing in weed for plenty of years and moved over to this mom pop cannabis company for lack of better terms, and I couldn't be happier. But the one thing that we've experienced is that companies like ours experience a lot of unpaid bills. So because not only are we a dispensary, but

we're a farm as well. Yeah, the unpaid that's uh, it sucks because that's something we realized. It wasn't just us. That's really why we created the page. Yeah, so's it's it sucks to have that kind and the issue happened so sudden for us, you know, we think that would be something down the line like oh okay, this is a big company, you know, we don't need to pay them. No, it's the little

guys that really take that hit. And it's gotta be tough, especially because you guys are waiting, like if your littler company, mom pa, and when you're waiting for those paychecks or the coas or whatever not coas, what Okay, when you're waiting for the CoA and you guys are going to like maybe build a bill or a couple of bills ahead, like that's going to affect a company, especially any small business where you guys probably aren't loaded like

these big multi state operators that have millions and millions and millions of dollars where they're like I call Florida man money, Florida many. Well, yeah, so the I don't even know if we said the name of the group. Do we even say the name of it? We did, Okay, So I just want to tell you that. Like, so, if you haven't checked it out on Facebook, go and check it out. The idea is getting people paid that haven't been paid, because I mean, just just to

make it not if you haven't seen the video. There's that video of the CEO. I think you shared it. I found it off the charge. I'm calling them out first because that's what really made me see it and like not like when you talked about it, I'm like, oh, they're being bullies. But then you they they even know what they're doing. They're not doing They're like saying it out loud like it's something cool, like yeah, there are and that video was in California obviously, but there are players like

that. Plenty of them are in Michigan. That's what the list showed us, and that's what I was like, Yeah, and there are there are businesses. I mean there's farms that haven't survived because of it. You know, these giant, giant brands come in and buy up all their product and then don't pay them. They can't afford to pay their people. Right,

No, right, that makes sense. But it's like I can't stand that, to be honest, Like it's I'm so glad you guys created this page because me and Groovy here, we're a very small business here, and we've actually had a couple of businesses not pay us, but we have no employees. So like, if it's just us, me and him are just getting

screwed. You guys have taken a hit a couple of times, and for us, it's like, you know, we're not talking like five tens of thousands, We're talking a thousand or a couple of times, and like that still hit us. We were like you know what I mean, Like, so it's like for a co but you guys, but we don't have a lot of We have a decent aount over it, but not like a it's not like a farm or dispensary where you can't write off your own stuff.

You can't there's no safe bank, right there's you guys already got a uphill battle, so now they're just making it even harder. And that's why they know they won't survive. Right if these other if weed was decriminalize, then like you would have a little bit more power, a little bit more like

leeway and marketing and other things that you could do and write offs. So it's just it's just sad because it's if they just know the systems fucked messed up, so that's how they can buoy their way to be the top of mids. You know, shitty weed too, And that's the thing. They're

not even good weed. It's lot just they have money, oh yeah, and that's where like most of them, you know, they know we can't afford a lawyer or are we even gonna be able to survive long enough to the point of a week and need get a lawyer, right exactly, shoot three pounds is you know, my payroll for the week for some of these guys. So that's where I might be coming at you because you're late for five six days, But that's because you told me you're going to pay me

five six days ago. It's now screwing not just me, but the entire company, you know. So that's that's where these guys, even they'll be like, oh I can sorry, I'm late. You know, I can pay in a few days. But even some of these guys, that's where you'll see on the page. And sometimes I'm a little weary of it because I'm like, oh, okay, it was fifteen days overdue. But then some of these people are ghosting, not replying, or oh they're out on

vacation doing this, or in a meeting. You know, it's or when a delivery is supposed to be cod oh delivery. But that's what I'm saying. But that that whole process seems like they're just setting you up to get screwed over, like they could be oh yeah, I just all forgot my other paints, you know what I mean. And I've actually seen I've witnessed a lot more accountability in transporters because of this. I've seen a change in our own disco way. When we say we have terms, they are verifying.

They're not just cool walking out the door. So we do pay in two weeks, you know, we work that out. It's a mutual agreement, but the transporters are verifying that sometimes, at least in the past, you know, things where they're supposed to be cod and transport just says, okay, you're not paying me right now and they leave. Yeah, oh no shit. And then for you trolls out there for the terms aspect, you clearly have never actually run a business when it comes into small I mean,

what do you mean by trolls? People people in the in the just talking. Yeah, the people I haven't banned yet, you know, it's it's it's coming to the point where a lot of them just clearly don't understand the aspect. That's why when we come onto the page, there's three questions. You know, are you from the metric industry? Yeah? What do you do in the business? So that those are the biggest things. Is we run into some of these other Michigan pages that it's just basement growers,

and you know, I understand, yes, I believe me. I was a basement grower. But now we're talking business. We're talking actual money, legit product, not just something that you you don't really fully understand. We're talking thousands of dollars in actual staff. It's completely different size overhead from a basement grower to like metric business. So yeah, your your twelve plants to my two thousand are a big difference. You know, I don't. It's

really hard to compare the two because like you'd weigh different hoops. Yeah, you know. And that's the thing is, like terms are meant to help build and survive when it comes into it. I mean a small business, A lot of us don't have that money where surrounded by other dispensaries. We're trying to build the business brand and then build a reputation, and we put

all our money into building store. You know, sometimes places start off with terms, or a lot of times for us, I try to request terms, mostly when it's edibles or something that has that base where first off I need to see if it's actually good when it comes and the samples you give me can be one thing, but all of a sudden it get product right, yeah, right, six months old, and I'm not really noticing because my staff are the one counting and I'm all the way upstate dealing with another

issue. You know, it's funny that you say that, because I never thought about that, But that makes sense because how many times if you tried one budded by a brain. It's like amazing, and oh yeah, and that's where so Flower for us is usually cod that's the one thing, you know, I like to do that, unless it's a brand that I know they're also small like us and or you know, Kate and I'll discuss and

have that kind of conversation. But most of the time, you know, a lot of people, even for us, they're gonna ask for terms. I'm gonna need to give that. You know, I'm not into that position where I've got millions of dollars in the bank. I need to get that payroll going. I shouldn't. Shouldn't both parties want terms so no one gets

screwed. I feel like the only reason why you go into it without an agreement is knowing that you're trying to screw over the other party, you know what I mean, Like, oh no, no, you can trust me, like can I I feel like most businesses you have to pay a part. You can't tell how many DJ gigs I've been like, I got you. It doesn't always work like that. Like you got to just be like, this is what I need the offer and we'll sign that, and it's

just that's that's business man. So I don't understand why people are like, oh, I got you like you. I feel like that's like a ya, So I just yeah, I mean what So was there a certain I have to ask, was there like a certain event or situation that made you go this is enough? So? I mean, the first issue was Diamond Cannabis that I ran into over in Bay City. They were one brand that just I realized they were over half a million dollars that they owed people.

They were one of those people that you would have Familion oh over that's just what I close now. And they're closed now, so nobody's getting paid. So I first showed up there to talk to the manager and she just screamed me out, saying, you know, so get out of here. You don't belong here. You guys are ruining this for us. And I'm like, what, you're over sixty days paid and you you literally all it is is two grand, man, I'm just asking for two grand, Like,

just tell me that you have this. She goes, here's my owner's number, and end up being a title tone blah blah blah wow, really fake numbers out. So then you know that was about a year ago. We didn't really run into an issue until he ran into Marvin over at the herbalist. And I have no problem name dropping because it's such a trash brand. I love it. When you walk in, you just feel like you're at a gas station. It's what you want. Nobody gives a crap about what

they're doing. It's because the ownership doesn't give a crap bout they're doing. I mean, he was talking about, Oh, my brother's the one that tanked the business, and I'm just here to help save it. Now I got to pay off assholes like you. Oh it's ridiculou. Hey man. You walk in, all you see is pre pack dates for sixty dollars. You see overpriced, expensive product. And we're talking down in Detroit. I mean, this is an area that's oversaturated already, and all the licenses haven't

even opened up yet. But you stone throws away and you've got places that are sixty dollars ounces that are just selling them, you know, crap, But that's what this kind of place is. And so all of a sudden, I see our stuff. You know, I gave him a good deal, and I'm seeing itself for three hundred ounce I mean, I know what you're you're making on that. Now you've got seventy percent marketing on that, brother, yes, if not more. Yeah. So we go in there

and you go to actually drop off an invoy. You know, I was talking to Sam was the old manager. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll pay okay, And so it's weeks and weeks going on, and then finally I got over it. So I showed up again and I said, hey, you know, I'm gonna sit here and wait, here's here's an invoice. And finally I got ahold of them are who you know is now the new manager or whatever, blah blah blah, even more

excuses. But and so it's just another multiple weeks and finally we get back from vacation and I just get pretty much a death threat from this guy. Uh you know, said if I show up with different sales people, who's gonna put me in the grave. Uh yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah. So that's why I literally left him after two gs. Yeah, so that was Diamond. So this one was five. So this was a little

bit. So, I mean, come on, five thousand to kill someone over five g's like, come on, you don't go like chill, like maybe we dial. And the funny thing is, like someone else on the pages recently and she removed her comments. So, I mean, I hope you're pressing charges, but I'm assuming it's because you know, he and you know this was a female. You know, he said I'll choke you out,

I'll put you down, and you know, oh my god. Yeah, and it's crazy because some of these people are still selling to him and that's fox verbal verbalist. Oh my god, he's herbalist. What so So basically they made us angry enough to make this page. Well, yeah, that's messed up. In between us hounding them for money. We have enough friends, yeah, vendors, wholesalers in the industry. We started asking people, do does this brand? Will you any money? Does this dispo?

Just looked at what was on their shelves. We started getting endless yes is and the numbers were going up to hundreds of thousands of dollars on this one dispo. We're talking, we're talking over this is probably that off the charts mentality though, yes, And so that's when me and Brandon looked at each other literally sitting in the car. Oh, the dude lives in Florida. I mean, he's not actually based in Michigan. When I had to deal with him every time he was in Florida and Miami, you know, at

his other house having fun like this. Isn't that one of the business owners that I wanted so literally, the people that we don't like in the industry literally just taking from taking the money, taking from the industry. The same guy that walks into his business with a cigarette and hand, you know, puffs the rate and the kind of lobby and just looks at everybody and goes, you, guys, disgusted me, you know that kind of like he's

he's just too arrogated to arrogated. I mean, we we find out some of some of the brands that are just like us in the industry are our own way more than we are from this despo and we we just looked at each other or sitting in the car, I think we were doing sample runs or something, and no, we just got back from we had just left maybe, but yeah, we just decided it was time, and literally overnight we had a few people reaching out offering to be admins. I mean,

I think we had about a thousand people in three or four days. It's slowed down since then, but it's been it's been picked through. I mean, so the biggest thing is, like I said, those three questions. So I don't want it to be like you know, some of these other cannabis professional pages that have nine thousand people in there and none of them are actually from metric. You know, I want people who know what we're talking about, who understand terms. You're going to get people kind of with their

whole knowledge putting things in that's gonna miss misinformation. Just you know, we play all played that cup game or what is that where you like to say the telephone telephone game? Yeah, yeah, and that's all it is. I mean, you got those kind of people. And then I have, you know, people who just like the troll and have fun and create those fake accounts. And we've even spotted a few business owners that are part of the list that have actually made fake accounts just to be part of it.

Well, I mean, I hate to say it. I hate to say it, but that's actually pretty simple social media. What do you do like and you don't think they're paying people to the course just created three days ago trying to join the group. Come on, so I mean as you have to sift through the bullshit. There's a decent amount of credibility though in some of these right we make people send us in voices. You know, it's not just that's what I thought. I saw that. You have to like,

let's let's see the proof first. Yeah, you've got to be able to provide proof, because if you're saying so and so owes you money, and they messages admins and they say, I don't know anything about this, why is this post about me? Up? We need to be able to send them why that post is on? That's good. So you guys do

your due diligence on it. You make sure that it's actually real. When it is real, then yeah, we try to stay on top of when debts are settled, you know that people are removing their posts and comments and

things like that. Wow, that's all the follow throughs and honestly, just that that keeps it really real because a lot of times these groups can just be like like, you know, like an opinion comment section and you catch yourself reading fifty comments and the couple are mean sense and that's they're good. Two of our rules no shit talking and no self promoting that's not what this is for good. Yep, you can fact check for some places if you

want to do a new sale. That's where I almost hate the Michigan Blacklist name because some people will use it for credibility checking. You know, hey, I got this new guy. It's wanting fourteen day terms as anyone bought with them, And most of the time it's yeah, you know, we love them. They're great, they pay on time. We have a few I want to say twenty thirty people that are always on top of the comments, always letting people know. And that's a nice thing for Kate and I.

We're on I definitely will that's a nice thing. Is Kate and I are on both sides where a lot of people don't have that pleasure of being able to do or we can do the dispo and the grow you know, so I understand purchasing and I understand the sales aspect. We can do and meet you in the middle where a lot of people are just like, Okay, I just need to pump and dump and let's get this product going. And it's just a huge hassle for some of these other guys. So that's

great. So you're seeing success then obviously if you're dealing with that and having the communication and following through, I want it. I want to ask real quick. Yeah, I want to ask for quick. Did you ever get your debt saddled with herbalists or they just still haven't paid Oh they did, okay, paid us off, still owes shit a ton of other people. I mean you can go on the page and see, I mean everyone's pretty active. There's people who still have new posts that even new invoices that they've

sold with them. They're like, oh, I'm not old, and I'm like, man, your part, I'm looking at about sixty thousand at least still do just on this one thread that was not even a month ago. Yeah damn Yeah. And that's just whoever had the balls to comment, you know. Yeah, that's the whole thing right now. You also have to deal with like, who's bullshitting you? That's a lot of money, it is, but for someone like that though, I mean, yeah, it's

ridiculous. So and you can go on the page and you'll see, I mean there's some really popular brand. I'm not going to name drop because that's the one thing I hate with this, you know, I want to be friends with everybody. Don't get me wrong, I want to love you. You're in the industry, but if you put yourself in this position, you know, GTFO, Yeah right, I just shouldn't have to deal with you. If you're owning all these people money and you're screwing my friends over that.

I want to go to these events and have fun with and al asudden I can't see them next year because they're eighty thousand in the whole because you didn't pay them. Yeah, you're the one sponsoring this event, GTFO.

You know, it's just it sucks for the rest. You know. I kind of hear that because, like you do, you want to be nice, but the other thing is like you want to be nice people, but it's like if you're gonna put out shitty energy, it's like, you know, take like you know, I was to say, give no ship, but take no or do no harm or take no shit type of thing. You know, you don't want to do any but you're taking ship and you're getting people are getting bullied. It makes me I'm usually killing with kind of

stand up for people. When that goes killed with kindness. Yeah, yeah, that's cool, just because that's what it is. You're what we're what you see all these bullies and all these and that that video really starting to core with me because then I really understood because you know, not being in the Metric brand, it's more just I'm putting out my opinion, but like it makes sense that these companies are trying to do that because the system is so screwed up. So yeah, and I really want to I want to

find out who least that because I want to give one hundred bucks. Want to make sure they're finding a good job. Still from that guy, Yeah, right, thank you whoever security guard did that. It felt something talk about that video because that video happened in Cali. You think this is an issue that happens in every state that's legal right now that's doing Yeah, I've worked for them in Michigan. Okay, so yes, yes, that is.

I've been part of those conversations. It's it's uh, it's it's literally just a wolf tax sitting right over the phone, and you feel so embarrassed to be part of it because they'll hit you button and they're just like watch this, watch this, like they're trying to do a three point you know,

fifty yards. Yeah, he'll be like, well, so I tried your stuff and it's garbage, all right, seven hundred pound seven hundred And then they'll flip it, you know, they're they're getting there for yeah, then they're doing the three yeah or I've been part of it well that you know, they'll tell that's garbage. You know, buy your whole entire lot out. I mean, if if someone is telling you your stuff's garbage and then offers to buy you out, it's not garbage. Oh no, we

we actually you know we've heard that before. I heard people do that because you're clearly short changing. You're trying to bully them. You're trying you know that they're a little brand and they know they need the money. It's just so jecto and there's a lack of regulation. Really, uh, these owners like Ray, you're just in general like just I mean, I guess you yeah, you could put it on a cra right. So like Diamond, for instance, they go out of business, owing probably upwards of half a

million dollars to separate brands. Who's to say that owner didn't just go open another dispo under another name up the Black in Bay City with all that money that he just packed there's brands that do. There's nobody's stopping them. I don't want to, well, the cr I mean that that is on the cra to take these people in, blacklist them and from opening a business skin

if you're in elite. It's almost like to me, it reminds me of like, what's it called bank I guess not bankruptcy, but sort of kind of in this No, I don't have black list, right, Yeah, I don't know. It's so you can literally go from one business to a new industry. Yeah, I mean, as long as you got that brother or cousin, you can put the name under and you just give me ten percent and we'll go from there. You know. That's that's usually what they

do. It's just it's hot hot hopscotch pocket just passing around real quick. And that's where most of it goes. Is that's until they can actually do stuff, you feel like your name should be flagged somewhat. I was trying to think of a situation that it really reminded me of make analogy, and I don't have a good analogy. So that's what it's like. It's just really just so such a shitty thing to do. It's such a titty thing

to do, and it seems so common. I mean, is there like a number you guys have by chance, or like, is there a list out there that you guys are collecting, like like totals? Yeah, like or just how many companies have done this? Actually? Yeah? Can you name some of the bad ones if you would like? Yeah, I mean, I'll say I'll give our top our top three most popular right now, that's a good question. Let's has for your top three. Because this is

not come from them too, this is from the list they created. Because this is a problem of industry. The people you owe. The people we see the most frequently are Theoryblest, Treehouse Club and Patient Station Patient there are there's dozens of names listed in the group, so clearly people actually a norse seventy seven you're still how me some cash to so Ryan if you're hearing this,

And that's the thing. People aren't trying to be like you know, no one's out here trying to call you out, like this is like a high school fight, Like no one gives a ship. Just pay your money, like we just want to get our money, move on, Like no one really is like trying to like start just pay. None of this is an opinion that I'm trying to say. This isn't YouTube starting ship. This is to be like hey, by the way, like oh, how dare you call me out? What care you do? Your name will get removed

when you pay up. That's the biggest thing. So I don't think you belong this industry. And we're not even. I mean, we called out the people who owed us money, but we're not even. We're just creating the platform and allowing people the space to call the you know, others out. And a big thank you to our admins, to I forrad to say Skyler and Tyler, I really appreciate you guys. So they are awesome. Yeah, shout out to them because they're probably sifting through a lot of comments

that aren't getting approved and getting approved. Well, there are other big brand people too, So I mean in the industry for probably longer than I have, actually us a caregiver base. He's Vivid Farms over there by us. He's I mean, he's one of those people that are standing out the front steps, you know, actually cheering and videotaping and making sure he's active with stuff. You know, he's someone on top of it, and then you

got when it comes into the women's side of cannabis. I mean, Summer is huge, She's very active, she's very I feel like I've seen Summer Sky somewhere. She's she's been with some big brands and stuff, you know, and I feel like she's one of those people that haven't got that good

representation either. So I'm glad, you know, I'm happy that Kate and I have ran into her and Tyler and had that, you know, trusting them to be able to help run this page, because those are the kind of people that we want, you know, shout out to Dadmins again. So they do a lot of work, I'm sure, especially with like removing names and make clearing names, making sure people are bullshitting like I'm sure there's

a lot a lot of word to that. Oh yeah. I'll wake up the six in the morning from a group chat with them saying, hey, this guy's kind of be in a dick. What do we do? And I'm usually the one with the band hammer, I don't mind. I'm like, I'll send a message saying, hey, I really don't appreciate this. We'll see in six months, you know. I'll just hit the band,

right, Yeah, I just don't care. I'm not I'm not here to listen to your reasoning of why you were calling someone names, and you know they're they're literally posting out their ode or like some of these people that uh yeah, all the people that talk about the terms. He's always like, oh yeah, you're just tipping the rich man, you know, stuff like that. Like, no, it's not that we're trying to run a business. Okay, I'm here to help or understand. Get the fuck out.

So it's just annoy that makes sense. Again, it's not for opinions. Yeah, yeah, well that's how could it be. You know, it's not like you guys are out here just like calling out only the brands called. That's what sparked you to say something, you know, And honestly, I think it's right, you know, to say something. And that's why we wanted to do this podcast so we could really discuss this because we hope if you know, there's any other brands message us, go find the group

and that's all. Get in the group, get your money back, let's let's do something. Yeah. And it's not just grows either. I mean there's the cannabis industry as a whole. So I mean people that do suppliers to what extent my lars h two people who do the pre roll tubes chemicals into the grow. Yeah, there's people that have reached out to us that you know, these big grows and stuff they're big, sure, but how many different companies have they gone through on their pesticides and you know, rock

wool cubes and things like that. I mean, these guys will just place big orders and say, hey, we're you know, we're a four letter grow. I just I never like to drop them. But if you know, you know, and you know here we are being hopping from state to state. So cannabis is Michigan base, but your supply, I mean, now we got forty nine other states to play ball with, you know, so tell things actually become huge and you know, Eagle, it's it's hard

to really fine tune that. I didn't even think about that, to be honest, I thought it was mainly just like not Transporters. There's a Transporters that are actually owed the most one of the brands. I don't want to name drop them because I you know, we still shop with them in the store, but they they owe probably more than most of those people out there, and it's transporters they screw over, you know, they well a lot

of it. They'll blame in a miscommunication. So like for us, you know, shipping wise, So if I'm buying, usually if someone orders for me first time, I'll give them free shipping. You know, it's usually one hundred and seventy five dollars. So it confuses me when you think of one hundred and seventy five dollars, how does something mac add up to thirty

thousand with some of these guys. And they're at thirty sixty thousand for some of these big brands because they'll I mean, you figure they're a big operator. They they're in over what one hundred three hundred stores probably, these guys, and so they're they're dispersing to all these stores and all of a sudden they're saying, oh, those stores owed you the shipping, it wasn't us. Well, here's the contract that you're discussed that you're going to pay us

this month some of shipping. Oh no, no, no, no, thanks for the free deliver right. So I mean that's that's literally what most of these guys do. So it sucks for even some of the people that aren't in the grow industry, So it really just seems like how big is your business, because it seems like a lot of this is just big business

screwed over the little guy. And that's what's crazy to me. He's like, oh yeah, or less, that's what it feels like the mom pause, But like the mom pause, are like a lot of the industry and a lot of people who actually give a shit, the ones that are the giant ones, and a lot of people just had a lot of influence.

I'm not saying everyone, because that's why you can't generalize either way. You know, I'm sure there's people that are small grows just in it for the money, and I'm sure there's big grows who give a shit, But generally a lot of these big grows come from other states, especially you know the chats the chance which actually I talked to a Chad yesterday. I really enjoyed him. So it's funny though, because I hope you talked to more than one person. So now a bunch of people are that mean. I actually

made the Chad joke in front of him. I forgot his name is Chad. You know. He's like, I'm so sick of talking all these chads and look accept you so, but you know, it just reminds me of my first recreational cannabis. You know, I was sitting there bud tending else and I see different flower shirts come in, hairy chest and they still have a cigarette in mouth, and they're just going, oh yeah, I help

fund this place. And you know, we're right next to an airport, so you're seeing these planes fly in every other day and you just see these guys just creaking of tobacco, you know, dialed up eyes just going up, just flew in just towards your grow here. I just want to see your store, you know, and I'm just like, oh, okay, well what do you want to see? You goes, I just want to see the weed I buy, you know, and I'm just like, okay, so great, what do you do? He's like ten percent owner?

Oh okay cool? So yeah, all right, so glad, glad. You you know this is what minute. It's a hobby for some of these

guys. Yeah, it's just stocks essentially those people sit behind. Yeah, that's an investment to something, and especially when you have that low you don't care the way somebody people care like it's hey the chats man, have we have you guys seen like an inflow of all these brands now paying and I kept people reached out like been like thank you guys for doing this, like sixty invoices so far from what I've kind of counted from what we've deleted and

everything. So and I mean that's just from December, and that's people that have kind of reported back to us. So he was looking at me for that. I'm sorry. That's that's great. That's money getting paid that they were Oh, now, it's not like the army. When bud tenders and other employees are get affected, you're affecting their families and stuff. So it's just like messed up. So that's huge. I think that's that's awesome. No, it's awesome. It's good to hear. We didn't expect to create

the monster, but we're glad that the monster's here. You started a snowball effect at this point, right, Yeah. Yeah, No, I'm glad thanks for giving us just at least a little insight on the top three because I bet you there's so many brains, so many So I'm glad you're doing that research because you don't want to just have hearsay or someone owes me something or this, and it's it was a misunderstanding or someone else I took the invoice. I don't know. But it is fascinating nonetheless. Yeah, man,

it's mind blowing because it's only been two months. You guys have been open or not open. But the group started in December, right, Yeah, Now we're just this year eight tho I think already. Yeah, and we probably deleted two three hundred people from there, you know, a lot

of Yeah. I mean you'll see their answers, yes, yes, yes, you know, and then you'll go through and if I don't see anything cannabis on your page and I'm just seeing nothing but like political profile pictures and like random stuff, you know, I'm like, Okay, this isn't somebody who isn't actually cannabis. So that's really what we're looking for. It's just

actual people that belong in the industry. I've got some people that do accounting, you know, I'll have them personally message us say hey, I'm not actually in metric, but I do stuff for businesses. I'd love to be to visualize this and see this. Yeah, you're cannabis. You know, Joinles, So that's where those Milark people and uh, you know the people that actually do the whole stock for people, shelves, random stuff like that.

It's nuts. Anything you could buy for your cannabis store you can probably screw somebody over. That's crazy. What uh, what are some of the good brands out there that like you that pay their dues top of the line. People are always recommending them good product, good deals. It's a good that's a good question. We actually have a whole little thread on the Blacklist for the good guys too. So if you go into the Blacklist, you look up good Guys, you'll see a whole there's like a hundred comments on

there. But there's there's quite a few that get called out. Local Roots, objective, fire Station, the Woods fire Station, been there. Do you think to on that King of Buds fire Island as well? Different? I think they're opening yeah, greenways. There's a ton of people on here, hikers cannabis. A lot of those are mom and pop stores, by the way, just you know, so it's funny. Yeah, yeah, I like a lot of these name drops. Correlation maybe maybe, yeah,

But anybody who joins the group. You should go check that out. There's a lot of good names in there, right, Hey, got it, got a name? Drive it right? No. I just so crazy that people think they can just get away with this because they're like, oh, it's eventually they'll be broke. And it's like, damn. I feel like this doesn't happen in other industries though, Like does it happen in like I feel like it does, but no one speaks up, or if it does,

it gets hushed up enough. You know. That's like some of these industries are legal, so if it does happen, you know, now actual lawsuits are being happening and things like that. Are you gonna do against Walmart? You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm not saying that, you know what I mean. It's one thing Chad's with like a million dollar companies, but then there's Walmart. You know. I'm just saying there's big companies. So I wonder if maybe they just get stepped on so quick you just

don't hear it. Yeah. And I think there might be a lack of representation too, you know. I feel like there's probably a lack of legislation and lack of attorneys even that are willing to take on things like this, especially if it's only a three thousand dollars debt, you know, two thousand dollars debt, Well, that adds up. My concern is if it's not federally decriminalized or legal, can you go can you sue someone over? So

it's usually over we have to see a bounced check. Anything over one thousand dollars is now federal. It's so as long as I go and get a check for a thousand and it's bounced, which we actually had happened with the Diamond, now we can go through and actually you can do something, because that is my concern. It was like, how do you track it? It's the bounce check. And then the CIRA has been mentioning how they're going to not take licenses but revoke renewal, so you can't. You can't just

go in and take someone's license. They paid for all these things, but the talks that they're trying to do, which I mean, I hope they do it, it'd be nice, but if there is stacked proof against you that has been submitted to them, you cannot renew your license until these things are paid. So I'm hoping that they kind of jump on and actually go through because it's super easy to do. I mean, you've got files on all these stores already. Add that in. Just make sure we have open

invoices and track it. I mean you're clearly just sitting there, not coming and doing most of your investigations anyway, So you can sit on a computer and accept some invoices. You know. They should They honestly should do that. It's not like if they can't. If they don't pay it, then they don't they should be in a business. But if they do pay it, they get a chance to get their get their license back. And I mean we've even reached out to Leaflink, you know, I sent them an

email and we had some good reply from them. But these are people, you know, using your platform. First off, Leaflink is somewhere where you can do wholesale site. Okay, so when I want to Yeah, I think you meant. I've heard people mention it. You mentioned it for because it's where you can buy stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's the weed maps for dispos so like where I want to buy my product, so we can

go through wen deals and those kind of things. Uh, But you have these brands using leaflink to come through and pick up small new brands to come through, trying to get that marketing on. And that's uh something that can be a little confusing because now I'm not talking to a salesperson. I'm just placing something online and a lot of people don't have the sales reps, so now I'm just all of a sudden placing an order. I get an email

confirmation, and a week later we get product. You know, if you don't have a salesperson someone doing that communication, you're doing it wrong because that you're going to run in so many issues. Or we've gotten product, we're like, well where do we send the check to? Who do we pay? You know? And then I got a call and reach out because there's just miscommunication and they're just too excited to get that sale. And that's where

it runs into. Some of these guys don't pay because they're just like, sweet, we have thirty thousand dollars with the product. No one communicated, We'll pay them when they reach out to us kind of thing. So oh yeah, it's weird. You weally interesting. You feel like, you know, hey, we have all this products for me. We should be like, hey, you should figure this out a little bit like like you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, fifteen grades isn't free. Unfortunately,

nothing's usually free. And business I feel like the robbery almost that's like happening. They get the product and they're selling it at the store and they're making profits, and it's like, yeah it was one hundred percent, we made three hundred percent. We needn't have to pay for it. Oh yeah, And especially these guys that I mean, we deal with it as mom

and pop. You have tiered pricing. Tiered pricing is the worst. What do you mean tear like tiered in like how much you buy or tiered in So for me, one tiers in quality meeting one store, I can only

buy two thousand units of carts at a time. You know, if I want to buy this one brand, if I buy more than that, I might be sitting on them for six months, or I'm going to run in and diminish your quality of product because now I can't keep up with the guys next to me who bought ten thousand units for three dollars cheaper, and now we're able to push those even faster. I mean that that's half the mark

right now, a lot of these big MSO brands coming in. They're going, Okay, yeah, if you buy thirty thousand units for me, I can give you this best deal. And I look at I'm like, you see my disc bow. I can't. Yeah. So, and that's where a lot of these guys through is they'll come and buy them out and they

put them in their warehouse. You know, they warehouse it. They have their whatever you want to call it, just their big old distribution center, and then they push it to their other stores with the white label it. And then I've had I work for a brand that they'd buy a bunch of prepack dates from people, and then we would unpack them and put them into pre roles because now you're getting better margins and you're reselling it as their own, so it gets just wait, hold on, I don't think I understood

that way. They would buy it as bud and then yeah, you buy those prepac dates and then you can just break it down, put them into pre rolls and put a black tube on it in your own your own grow

label or whatever, and now it's easy white label. That's what a lot of these guys do too, because that's that is all white labeling is essentially he just buying the product, but you're not doing in the legitimate way of saying, hey, we're gonna throw our brand in your name and letting them know, i'm gonna tell your shit's garbage, I'm gonna buy you out, and then I'm gonna relabel it as my own or somebody else's and make that

Oh man, that makes sense, I see it. And that's where a lot of these places, uh, some of these stores, you're like, how are they keeping up with all their their stores with the grow They had all the attractive rings for them. I mean I started win the first, uh with my first business there. They had two places that were contracted for

them. And also I'd get all their eighth just their plastic, and we'd get giant bags full of weeds just sent right to the store and we'd have to pre pack them into these prepacked you know, already labeled our brand aids. So the only way, and most of the market, I'm sorry to say, is uneducated when it comes to the consumers. You know, they they're just looking for the brightest package or the highest percent, but they're not

actually looking where that's coming from. If you look at your metric. If you look at your actual harvest and your shipping label, and it's got to say where it came from. You can't just seek your own the facility. So I'm knowing your background on that's going to help too. Oh yeah, you know anytimes I've been like, do you know where it's cultivated? And they're like what what do you mean? What? Why? Go grew that?

I know, but like sometimes people will I mean, it's just they like the strain, Okay, that's that's already okay people, you know, it's like a level to this. You know the company, and like, all right, that's enough. That's two things I got to memorize and thac too much. It's because once that's why I'm gone. We learned this the hard way too, because you go to places to expect certain stra companies to be that grow and it's different cultivators. You never know what you're gonna get.

It's the same way you really. It's it's amazing that a lot of the industry, a lot of brands survive on white labeling, because I don't know how you would keep up to demand on some of these well I've even I mean, you get that without big growth. I've seen people buy like one hundred pounds of one thing and then rename it three different strains, put it on three different shells. So you're literally I've seen it, you know. I've heard these people Mac Island and Wedding Crasher, and it's all the

same. You're not even letting people know you're doing that either, You're just like buying it. You know who's going to fact, it's the consumer because the consumer's like, I really like that Mac Island, and then it's never going to be there again because I was really wedding some dickcad behind the counter going oh, let's rename this. It's not been selling, you know. So it's just I've heard of renaming the sense of like, hey, I

got this cut. This doesn't taste like a cut. You know, I'm gonna call it this I got, I guess because it doesn't taste like it. But like, you can't just be doing that for like you just said, breaking down a pound and calling it three different things, Like that's really that shouldn't be happening in the store. For it's fun Nacho Dorito's in a ruffles bag and just making the industry the metric industry look like so much like

just like how it used to be on the street. And it's like, to some degree, it's like, come on, wasn't the point of doing like legal business was doing honorable like growing it right all the rules? Unfortunately? I mean, you know, I don't know, man, that shit's crazy. It's wild for consumers. Consumers don't realize a lot of that. I mean, it's oh yah, one pound, break it down into three.

Yep. Well, remember when the industry came from it. We just bought rosen from one of the big brands, and you know, we paid fifteen dollars more a unit and put it right next to a brand that we love and recommend to most people. That's cheaper, and all of a sudden you look at where it was processed and it's the big guy was processed at our little guy. You know, I'm sitting here having to sell and it's the same heart of the states, the same strains. So now you're telling

me I found my seventy thirty split I got. I bought both these seventy and the thirties split, So now I'm getting the same strains, the same harvest states, just selling it fifteen dollars more than these guys. So her and I had to drop the prices, make sure it's good, and we call that company so fuck you. You know, we're gonna just keep buying from the little guy now that we know where it comes from. So yeah, so thank you Peachy for making people. Yeah so that's that. Now

people are even just reselling it. Yeah wow. So I mean, I guess the middleman's always existed, but I mean, like it's like now I'm hearing about these things called cannabis firms and cannabis like where they own like eight companies. They're like, how do you own any companies? It's probably because a bunch of more white label companies and you're just buying so MSOs that are around. That's I mean, that's all it is. Miler in Nevada,

Wyoming, Maryland. I can't even keep up on all these man like unless they're local with some rus here, it's hard. I mean they're like, who are you? Like Tho's new brands every week nowadays. Yeah, that's why we like our mom pop mentality. You know, I don't want to try to shop with somebody that has thirty stores because chance it's not the same owner. It's twelve different owners, you know, franchised essentially, it's just

the same thing as the Burger Kings and McDonald's around here. So it's just I want to shop with the people who actuate along and want to be in the industry. I don't want to just shop McDonald's every day. I like to go to Big John's here in Mount Pleasant and get a good homemade burger. You know, speaking of mom, what do you anything popping off with Emerald coming up in the next couple of months and you shout out to you guys want to talk about new products, events, donations, giveaways. We're

doing a donation drive right now for Midland County pit Stop. It's one of our pretty regular ones. We usually do a donation drive for them about four times a year. We had a big four to twenty event coming up again. Last year was huge. We plan on doing it even bigger this year. Food trucks, craft vendors, canna venders, hopefully a band. We're working on a band right now. But yeah, and then Saturday, tons

of new cultivars coming out of the out of the grow. We got our new can of blunts on the market, new packaging for our ten packs. One guys got one. I didn't know. I didn't know. I was going, yeah, very cool, okay, cool. Yeah, so those guys have been going pretty good. I was like, you guys talking about He nodded. I'm like, what am I the only one left out here? He's surprised. Well, we'll eventually be infusing those. We got the

lab coming up. We just went through pre qualification for that. But confusing got asked, was a match in there. We're looking at me anywhere that enjoys everything, So right now we're start attraction, gets distill it and then I know we're gonna mess with hydrocarbons clever. But the blunts have been really nice. Those guys are hand packed, just like all of our pre rolls. That's the one thing I enjoy. We still keep that mom and pop.

Uh. We pack them on demand for most people. So if you're getting that freshness, uh yeah, they're selling like crazy in our disco. So excited to get him out wholesale. And then the nice thing is we have a strike Anywhere match in there too. Yeah. I was just funny. I was like, is there a man that's crazy Frexton? He's our media guy. He's got a video coming where he stretch it off the glass and well, it's just clever. I like that, it's unique. I

like that. I'm a sucker for stuff like that. How many times have you that's happened to be Milly times? And I've seen like Huna does their own dad tool. It's just like this little tiny thing. But I was like, but I mean, I'm not really gonna use it, but it's a pinch, you know what I mean. It's that novelty of it. But yeah, that's why I love it. It's handy, that's useful.

I like that useful. I had someone ask why did we launch a blunt you know when there's already like blunt brands out there and stuff, And I told him, I know, it's our flower. That's That's the big thing is. You know, if you got this blunt brand that's in over eighty stores and they only have a Class B, it's not just their flower. And I'm part of that. I see that on those business pages too. I've had a guy who went to go sell me product and then goes,

oh, actually I'm out of product already. You know. I went when I went to go buy The next day, I'm looking on Facebook and I see he's asking other metric ends, you know, what do they have flower wise? And then two weeks later, you know, knowing he didn't have a harvest yet, all of a sudden he's got six different strains and some infused stuff up as well. And I'm like, okay, all right, so this is what you got through. So, I mean, I understand,

you know, they got to do that for their business aspect. For us, it's it's that actual niche. It's our flower. It's done by us. It's actually quality cared for and not passed around between sixteen companies. It's it's done right there on the spot. So we're not passing from just facility to facility. Anytime our stuff's packed, it's right there, doesn't sit out over the day or night. It's packed that day right when it's made fresh, fresh, free. Yeah. So that's that's one thing I really

like to do, is just that quality. You're going to know that when you smoke up, you guys, do you guys do to do the quality with your flower? And if you haven't checked out their provisioning center out in Coleman, Michigan, they actually have the grow. Literally there you see the cameras, you can see it, right, Hopefully I'm going to throw that on the website. I've had some people, you know, you shouldn' do

the robberies, blah blah blah. I'm like, if you're gonna rob me, you would have done it by now, you know, Come come see my freaking grow. We're not trying to hide anything, and that's why we put it in the lobby. Robberies are definitely thing, but you definitely have cameras, right, I mean, yeah, well yeah, yeah. It's just just funny when I hear people always say that stuff, like dude, I think that's cool. You're just literally you're showing that's that bud that's in

here. Yeah, that's yeah. We have the camera that tells you which rooms what. So I got sick of when people are I'm not in the grow enough. You know, I'm on the sales side. So when I'm looking at a plant and the camera like I can't remember what room that is? Like what is that? Like a skit ONMN So you know, we actually let them know what harvest cycle it's on. Uh, you can tell the lights are off and we have the green heat lights when they're in their

spring and stuff. So like, it's funny because our receptionist has learned so much just by being there and seeing the cameras and having answer questions and stuff. So it's really cool. That's awesome. That's one of my favorite part. Perks. Won we check out you guys a shop all the time. I'm like, you have to see it there mus a consumer. I'm like, dope. We try to post a lot of pictures on the install on the website. I mean, we're very transparent company. Like I said,

you know who our ownership is, you know our roots. You're not going to see some hired face as a model. We use all of our people for our Instagram. You know. It's the team, man. That's so it should be. Yep, I don't I don't care if I'm the prettiest bunch, you know, I want to know there were the hard working and that bunch that deserve to be there and stuff. So it was like that house intro you guys, yeah right, yeah, what we're doing for another

something like that, But you haven't seen that. It's funny. I don't know it's on your Instagram, man, right, I don't know that's what I remember. Yeah, and that's that's what we like to have. You know, we're here for huge productions and stuff. We have one person who does our marketing. He does all of our video, all family photos. Yeah, he graduated right from CMU. He's been with us since the get go. You know, that's the person I want to I want to take

care of the whole way through the company. Hopefully when we've got more dispos and the grow expanding, that person telling others what to do. So that's where we try to do. We want to hire internally and do those stuff with everybody. Yeah, we're a family. Almost everybody in our dispensary's been there for two years. Yeah, when we left our last place, they too. All within a week we're applying where we were at. Whre like you've very quit and they're like, oh yeah, we want to talk about

you know what I mean. That's good because I mean, especially in this industry. You hear there's a lot of turnover there is industry. Yeah, well, a lot of it's respect and trust. I mean you got to trust your people and you gotta respect them too. I mean they got to know. You got to have that transparency you got to understand, Hey, this is where we're at in the company. This is why I don't like

this brand. I've worked for those guys where I'm like, why didn't we do this and they're like, oh, fuck, those guys like no reasoning, we just got to have it working with them for a year, and now you're telling me no. So if someone wants to know some of their company, you know they they know Kate and I phone number. Everybody has it. There's no single person in the company between Trimm or bud tender reception.

They all know we're available no matter what time. So you think transparency shouldn't be so rare, but it is in this industry a little bit, oh very, you know, a little bit. Everybody has a front man a lot of it. That's why they only put t seed and stuff like

there's so many they bloat the numbers. And but that's what I'm We're getting ready to get into the Minnesota market and I'm seeing so much with the hemp and the low dose people, and it blows me away the marketing that they do because it's you know, they're like, oh g h gummy, and I'm like, well, first off, you're literally says Delta eight and the

tiniest little thing down there. So how they're how they're marketing and pushing those things that I'm ready for, you know, actual regulation to happen over there and get that market going because hemp is almost I don't want to see ruining it, but it's it's got to be. I'm done with that. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of that, like like Sucker trying to sell

you hemp as weed. Like there's a lot of that. I mean, especially like in Vegas, Like when I see hemp wax and stuff for they are taking they are taking advantage of the consumers that want weed down there. So oh yeah, so horribly it it's weed, right yeah, yeah, but I see rosin fresh pressed rosin and then you see Delta eight and glass shot at the gas station just gas. Yeah, yep. So Turpy Minnesota. When you guys going to be open out there? When I mean as

soon as they go raca, we have the storefront. We've had any reason why miss in Minnesota? Well we first up, we have a brother over there, so there's John Matt. The family continues. Yep, that's so it's just a family keeps going. Yeah, and that's really the biggest thing is I mean, Michigan's I hate it, but it's it's almost spoiled. You have these big episos that come through that have just kind of ruined the margin for people to really be able to build the business. And I really

don't know where we're at in this phase of recreationals. We're already too cheap, you know, we've driven things down, We've driven businesses out. Three years ago, four years ago, we were buying ninety dollars carts, you know. Yeah, I mean, look at the price. We're okay with them. Yeah yeah. So now we come under yep. And but then you have it's these big brands that are saying, Okay, your stuff's garbage

on me, buy you out. Now you've got these guys who think, okay, I need to make this say and all of a sudden they realized, well I just pretty much made even I'm not making money, and now your partners are there, they don't want to continue profiting for you and things like that. So that's where you're going to keep rying into In Minnesota. We're hoping to be help control that market. We want to make sure we're with the right people, the right friends. It's not a better standard.

Yeah, it's not a better standard. I mean we're going to be involved with the was the OCM, that's their cra so we want to make sure we're very verbal and vocal with them off the get going. I feel like it does have a lot to do with the regulation and process. You know, a lot of people want to blame licensing, but like, you know, no other business has this issue, so there's clearly something going wrong in

the system. Yeah. Well, that's a lot of it is you have non consumers or you know, non users that are ahead of these positions. And I understand where you want someone who you know, law background, blah blah blah, but if you're not understanding the product or you know, even working in a disco for a week before you like go out of state, say hey, I'm the CM director, I want to work your dispenser. Do you mind if you're in Minnesota, you want to come work Mint just

going to see how it is come over here. So that's the biggest thing, is like I people don't understand understand the industry, you know, Yeah, and then they try to make these rules without fully asking and that's where Kate and I when we have that disc book, we have that gross up where we want to make sure, Hey, I'm gonna send you an email every freaking week letting you know this is why I think we should be doing

these things and come check it out and understand why. Yeah, it is really a bummer that people aren't going to other states to see how it gets done and how it shouldn't be done, how it should be done, because every time you go to the state, I feel like I'm always like,

oh, that's kind of neat. I don't like that. And you know, it's always something you know, like the first time I saw, like in Vegas that they were like they mandatory you had to put on your top three terms, I was like, sick, that's whatever was I was like, you know, I was like, well, that's cool. And I don't know, it's just like little things like that, right, But like the research is not being done right because people don't that that care has to

be behind end. Unfortunately. I think sometimes the business people who get the top aren't necessarily the ones who are necessarily worried about the bottom. They worry about the numbers, So you know that I'll worry about like the roots of the business. It's uh, it's just ninety percent marketing is what canes. And it sucks because I say, flashy marketing kills me because I've ruined it. I ruined so much. Well, I'm in the crap and fancy bags.

Man, we're rerunning game right now. I'm running into that. There's certain companies that won't use cannabis words but will use weed or uh, they can't use pot, but they'll say five dollars pre rolls. So like there's so many different loops and you know, different things we have to jump through

that each company does. So like that's why I made a call. I was like, well I've seen that you guys do this, and I drove Bio was like, well shit, actually it says free cannabis for this billboard and then you're actually one down the road that's a different brand says free weed. So like there's all these different things too for marketing. And I mean,

first off, free weed, Like that's what your billboard says. Like what they're just trying to bring a customer correct, So in thirty percent off on all these different billboards, but it doesn't actually say anything else, like Okay, it's not going to keep a customer there long time. No, I think you're just going to go in, check it out and be like, oh okay, well, and that's what it's like, a year old that's probably been sitting on the shelf, you know, getting baked in the

light. And that's when we're just talking to our team. By Mount Pleasant, where we're from. Two years ago, there was three dispensaries, you know, now there's twelve, Cheez and Mount Pleasant. You know, there's two more coming in, and that's where our ownership is like, man, are we are we afraid with more dispos coming in? I said, first off, we would have felt the hit already. It's just grand openings. That's all this is is flashy. People want to come check out the grand

opening, and then they realize it's just another clerk. That's just someone standing behind the counter going I'm not even supposed to be here today, you know, right, yeah, like it's fire, yeah, yeah, it's fire, yeah, get the fuck out all right next, you know. It's It's one thing I love about our our bud tenders and some of the people we even sell to, like I'm kind of picky when I go to sell some weird places, and I'm like, I don't want you talking about my

ship. You know, that's you get you gotta want it. And that's that's what I enjoy with our people is you can check out the reviews and they're like the best time ever. We don't rush people. I mean, if I got a lobby full of people and account and I'll come out and do receptions with the reception that's can sell, you know, So we try to make sure we're there. But I mean we give the most attention we can. There's no timing. I'm not looking at an average ticket. Hey,

you know, listen, that extra care goes a long way. I'll be honest, Like, for the longest time, I've been kind of just going what's convenient because I haven't found a discpo that's gave a ship in a while, you know what I mean. And I'll be honest. This one that I went to recently, like it has really been really cool. So I'm not gonna start going there a little bit more, right, Like, you know, shout out that I have bets. I really enjoyed that nasal

bark, Like that extra care goes a long way. But I feel like for a long time. A lot of it is like, hey, what do you want? Well, I guess naples coming to you guys if you're listening, so that's sure. But yeah, no, and those are the kind of people I want to work with. You know. If you people really care, then that shows your management cares, you know, And that's where that's where we're at right from the top down. Absolutely, we're coming

towards the end. I want to ask you a couple couple couple more questions. Yeah, yeah, I get yeah, yeah, you go ahead, go ahead. I want to ask just like, what do you expect for the future of the Blacklist? You expect do you think it's going to continue to grow? And then I want to get a little bit of future of the Emerald too. I know, I think we went into it a little

bit with Minneapolis or not Minneapolis, Minnesota. But well, ideally the posts stop right right, will stop doing and start paying people don't want to be called out, But that's that's not going to happen overnight. I think that group will continue to grow. Yeah, I'm hoping to transform it, you know. I don't want to be known as the scary Facebook group that my brand's on I want to know as that fact check, but you're pointing out

something in the regulation. There's something that something is not right, because this shouldn't be an issue. People should be paying their bills right, So if there was some type of follow through or some type of regulation with the CRA doing some regular check up on people's hey, everyone's bills being cleared or something. Even if you guys could just go on the website with a webpage and report these companies. But hey, this is what I owe, here's my

invoice, and they they go and do the research. You know, why why is it put on YouTube? People? You don't have enough going on and viewing a VP and operations like I just you know, I mean like it's just like that. That's what I feel like. The CRA is for you know, should be for not assari and they have full visibility on that in their end. The metric, I mean, it's critically as that. I it's not just a paper and you know they have to check cameras.

That literally says in metric this company third party picked up my flower, went to this company and dropped it off, and then wholesale numbers. Because of course it's got to follow state mandated tracking, so you think that they would

help us out of it. So that's you know, wishful thinking. Like you said, he's the wrong people in the wrong places and they just got to know and understand and talk to the right people though, because for it to really fixed, something needs to be changed with the system, so thes is messed up. And but I'm glad you're doing this because this is clearly a big thing. Yeah, yeah, I could see it transform into like a good group or these are the brands you want to work with, you

know, give them shout outs and stuff like that too. Once I'm glad you made the good guys. Listen, you got the bat, you got, you got you gotta have you ying right. I really appreciate the reference checks in there. I like that people started doing that. Someone just took it on their own accord, and people followed and we've had good and well, i'd say all good, but there's been people who have been steered, you know, away from selling to somebody. But there's also been much more

people who say, yeah, they're great. You know, well that's cool, it's good. Do you want to we'll go? Do you want to ask? The last one do we asked the last one. Yeah, all right, I wasn't sure. Okay, let's do it. Okay, because you've answered this before, so technically he's going to answer it again. Oh let's you know, and then we'll have to run back and see like I'm

still not right. All right, all right, So this is Dave's like funny question and it's just like but it is a serious question at the same time because it points out what we change with. So if you had a Ganja genie, like say you were like opening up some dabs and you're like, boom came up. If you if you could have one thing changed in the canvas industry, what would it be? What would you ask the genie did grant you decriminalize it? It's my personal favorite with the quickness too.

With the quickness, I'm still like, but we'll take it. It's like the one thing I'm a big dabbers. So yeah, that's why this bolt this bulk Rock. Yeah, you gotta take a dables. We dropped out him. So last week or the week before last week, last week, bulk Rosing. If I were to say anything, I would ask for probably puff Co brand to be a little cheaper for me, my proxy broke and I love it a lot, and I'm just out of warranty, so you

know that's right. Can you have a roboplause on that one? Actually, I kind of I was gonna do it with criminal is expensive, last for decriminalization and the puff mostly decriminalization. True, but that's a good one. That's it's annoying. But right now mine's doing the rainbow thing. So it's like every every ever you know cool every couple months. That's why it's like, it's just you got to buy the forty dollars thing. I know it adds all man, but anyways, No, I appreciate it. I love

yourance and I love your answer for both different reasons. But yeah, anything, I mean appreciate y'all coming out, Kate Brandon, appreciate your partnership. Check out Amoral Fire Provision and also shout out old school organics. Check them out. We appreciate their partnership as well. And then you want to say, Canada, I got nothing. Thank you, thank you both for joining and starting the group, because I think it needed to happen here in the

Michigan market, and I'm curiously what happens in the future. And go Emeralds. Emerald I like it all right. As always, we're here to advocate, educate, and inspire. Until next time you