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Mi3 Audio Edition

Mi3 & iHeart Podcasts Australiawww.mi-3.com.au
A weekly wrap of the “must-know” developments in Marketing, Media, Agency and Technology for leaders and emerging leaders in the industry. Veteran industry journalist and Mi3 Executive Editor Paul McIntyre talks each week with guest marketers who are in the know on what matters at the nexus of marketing, agencies, media and technology. Powered mostly by Human Intelligence (HI).
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Toyota’s ‘humility’ problem and big fix: An Australian brand makeover expands across 17 Asian markets to tackle next gen perceptions that rivals are snappier, louder, more innovative on mobility’s future

Australia is Toyota country and holds similar clout and market dominance across 17 key markets in Asia. But there were looming clouds on the horizon that Toyota’s APAC execs could see would pose a near-future challenge for the region’s leading carmaker. Toyota’s “humility” around innovation and the future of mobility risked being too conservative and out-voiced by more aggressive, louder rivals attempting to own these new greenfield areas - and Toyota knew its next generation customers were bein...

Jul 04, 202250 minSeason 1Ep. 214

Retailers using DOOH as targeted catalogue, Woolworths, Coles, Myer piling in – QMS on wider City of Sydney launch, 100% ad verification guarantee, digital v static debate

Digital out of home screens are the new retail catalogue, as the likes of Woolworths, Coles, Myer and JB HiFi place specific offers and sales depending on the weather, temperature and location. “It's basically a really flexible, tailored, measurable, targeted, third party guaranteed position,” QMS CEO John O’Neill says. Dan Murphy’s, for example, targets red wine messages for cold weather, white wine for hot and champagne for celebrations. “They do a really good job,” he adds. In the digital v s...

Jun 30, 202224 minSeason 1Ep. 213

Cannes unplugged: Suncorp’s Mim Haysom, Yahoo’s Rachel Page, Thinkerbell’s Adam Ferrier and LinkedIn’s Matt Tindale on incoming headwinds, rebalancing ‘techification’, Ryan Reynolds and the push for 'pragmatic purpose'

Cannes unplugged: Suncorp’s Mim Haysom, Yahoo’s Rachel Page, Thinkerbell’s Adam Ferrier and LinkedIn’s Matt Tindale on incoming headwinds, rebalancing ‘techification’, Ryan Reynolds and the push for 'pragmatic purpose' See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jun 27, 202228 minSeason 1Ep. 212

Harrods built a media business that paid for its entire marketing function – other retailers, telcos, convenience, petrol chains next

In 2003, the billionaire former owner of Harrods, Mohamed Al-Fayed, tasked Guy Cheston with building a media business for the department store. By 2015, the luxury store’s media worked so well it paid for everything else. “Initially, this media sales or the owned media division was really just a little tiny element of the trade marketing team,” he says. “Harrods had set up its own in-house media division, which was funding the entire marketing function of the store.” It went from £1m to £22m in ...

Jun 23, 202241 minSeason 1Ep. 211

Google rockets to top slot in ‘experimentation’ tech in Australia as A/B testing morphs beyond digital media, ad campaigns: Coles, Deloitte Digital unpack the e-comm, digital next wave

Election and fundraising strategists for former US President Barack Obama accidentally invented the now booming “experimentation” industry which takes the ubiquitous A/B testing concept to new levels – and business is going large. Personalisation has got too much attention and corporate investment at the expense of experimentation, say Deloitte Digital Partner Nima Yassini and Coles’ Fallyn Lowe, Product Manager for Growth and Optimisation. They outline what’s next, including Google’s rapid rise...

Jun 20, 202254 minSeason 1Ep. 210

Cannes conundrum: Why ESOV isn’t working: Peter Field, Karen Nelson-Field and Orlando Wood warn the ad industry faces a triple jeopardy threat as effectiveness rulebook ripped up

Three leading global authorities on advertising effectiveness are worried enough about the efficacy of advertising and the impact it has on business results that they have joined forces to present new data and observations in Cannes next week on why a triple jeopardy threat is a clear and present danger to the global industry. They go so far as to call for an overhaul in how advertising award shows like Cannes reward what is deemed the world’s best work. Advertising effectiveness supremo Peter F...

Jun 13, 202242 minSeason 1Ep. 209

How Suncorp, Leo Burnett flipped an advertising brief to a long-range marketing investment in a (real) street of climate change-ready homes, influenced national policy and drove a 38% lift in enquiries, surge in brand consideration

Marketing is a dirty word for some – look no further than the ‘Scotty from Marketing’ jab. But Suncorp has spent three years building, quite literally, a powerful response to that. Its One House campaign last year and recent Resilience Road activation are entirely marketing-funded and led research projects that are changing the way Queenslanders build disaster-proof homes. And what’s more, the campaign is flowing through to Suncorp’s bottom line, driving a 38 per cent rise in enquiries and more ...

Jun 06, 202233 minSeason 1Ep. 208

Out of home creative in Australia ‘lagging’: Nike, Twitter, Jetstar flying as QR code, animation, anamorphic screen tech lands, blurring digital, social, PR, outdoor lines

When done well, OOH smashes it. Local brands have been lagging, but the smart ones are learning from the likes of Nike, driving a “creative revolution” in digital out of home, reckons Neil Ackland, oOh!media’s Chief Content, Marketing and Creative Officer. While tech like QR codes, 3D animation, location data and anamorphic screens can drive huge results, “There’s a difference between what is available that creatives can use and then what’s actually coming through the pipeline,” he says. Jetstar...

Jun 02, 202232 minSeason 1Ep. 207

WPP global CMO Laurent Ezekiel, ANZ lead Rose Herceg on bringing other networks into $4bn ‘open source’ Coke account, peak complexity, consolidation end game – and proving Sorrell wrong

Brands and agency holdcos are restructuring for efficiency. But WPP says it’s done with post-Sorrell surgery and out the other side, proving the former CEO wrong in the process. Its “open source” integrated set-up landed the $4bn global Coca Cola account and means other rival agencies and non-WPP partners can tap into WPP’s platform for Coke. It could prove a template for consolidation plays to come, per global CMO Laurent Ezekiel. WPP ANZ’s Rose Herceg is equally bullish on the holdco’s growth ...

May 30, 202254 minSeason 1Ep. 206

B2B talent ‘hunger games’ as brands in-house analytics, tech, digital upskilling to cover shortfall, raiding B2C guns and ‘boomerangs’ as business-consumer marketing lines blur

It’s the “hunger games” out there in the B2B talent wars. Software firm ServiceNow’s solution? In-house training. It’s the best way to get good analytics people, Head of Marketing Caroline Raj says. “Everybody is dipping into everybody’s pool at the moment,” she says. It has been a tough two years. Of the 140,000 marketing and advertising people in Australia, 20,000 have moved jobs in the past 20 months, per LinkedIn’s Prue Cox. Agency churn has increased by 50 per cent in the past year – off a ...

May 26, 202249 minSeason 1Ep. 205

Seven pizzas a second: Domino’s CMO Adam Ballesty on brand building in scaled QSR, breakneck pace in creativity and campaigns, baking purpose into pizza, taking fight to Maccas and KFC, acquisition trumping retention, and why owning drivers will win delivery app battle

Adam Ballesty spent most of his career building big brands at spirits business Diageo only to join retail-focused Domino’s in mid-2021, steering a team of 60 through the tail end of a global pandemic. The sector's pace is mind-boggling, he admits. Food aggregators like Uber Eats and Menulog account for the majority of Domino’s orders and were non-existent three years ago. The likes of McDonalds and KFC are powerful competition and are driving culture. Ballesty’s new agency team are hoping to tak...

May 23, 202243 minSeason 1Ep. 204

‘We can recognise 16m individuals’: News Corp claims united CDP, 13 data partners, high match rates compete with Big Tech, commerce integrations ahead

News Corp has reached the level of Big Tech, Client Product MD Pippa Leary says, uniting its famously independent business units – publishing, Foxtel and REA Group – to create a pool of 16-million audience IDs. A consumer could watch Kayo, browse News.com.au, look at property on RealEstate.com.au, and News Corp can link them all, Leary says. The “arms race” of just having big numbers is over. “Claiming a big number is one thing, but actually, if you don't have a lot of daily active users and you...

May 19, 202236 minSeason 1Ep. 203

Growth hacked: Old tricks new again as ‘growth hacking’ fails, tech yields plummet, start-ups build brand to compete - Canva going big on billboards

Growth hacking was once a favourite term of the Silicon Valley crowd instead of marketing, fuelling the meteoric rise of early tech pioneers like PayPal, Tesla and Amazon. But there’s a fascinating blurring going on, where once successful growth hacks are starting to falter – “failing miserably”, in the words of one-time growth hacker and services marketing advisor Jonathan James. Instead, tech companies – think Canva – are turning to out of home, television, and other traditional media. In most...

May 16, 202234 minSeason 1Ep. 202

Val Morgan and cinema winning attention battle; Amplified Intelligence data finds 80 per cent active attention, zero decay; Nab, OMD, Hatched, on where next; Nelson-Field on why sprint for ‘dirty’ attention CPMs risks everything

Nine last month claimed massive active attention for BVOD ads playing on mobile devices, 72 per cent for a 30-second commercial, per Amplified Intelligence’s study. But Karen Nelson-Field’s data is in for Val Morgan – and it suggests cinema blows other channels out of the water for active attention, with zero decay across the entire ad. As attention metrics pick up major attention globally, Nelson-Field is just back from a World Federation of Advertisers conference, warning marketers not to let ...

May 09, 202240 minSeason 1Ep. 201

Shift happens: PHD Global CMO says marketers buried in reporting instead of growth generation, risk obsolescence as marketing function restructures for next wave of gaming, influencer, commerce, decisioning disruption

Chris Stephenson, global CMO of media agency Network PHD, thinks the marketing community has a weird and massive blindspot around gaming. That may be because they are buried in admin rather than doing actual marketing. Per PHD’s latest research study, 1,700 marketers around the world say their biggest time allocation is spent on reporting, not strategy, innovation and idea development. Those unable to shake off administrative shackles risk being overtaken by a marketing function overhaul now fas...

May 02, 202251 minSeason 1Ep. 200

‘Big difference between 1,000 Corollas and 1,000 Ferraris’: Why ThinkPremiumDigital argues platform audience reach is a poor proxy for effective attention – especially on digital video

There’s a fundamental flaw in how advertisers approach the concept of “platform audience reach”, ThinkPremiumDigital says, and the argument goes like this: advertisers care about audiences, but despite large user numbers – the audiences aren’t always paying attention. And yet, a platform’s reach often dictates a brand’s investment level. “Somebody on the platform doesn’t mean they saw an ad,” ThinkPremiumDigital General Manager Venessa Hunt says. MediaScience’s CEO Dr Duane Varan looked into thi...

Apr 28, 202247 minSeason 1Ep. 199

Australian marketers flatlining on data and digital capability and losing CX remit: Coles Sam McLeod, ex-Woolies X exec Willem Paling on why and what next

Skills and capabilities across digital marketing, CX, data and analytics have flatlined in Australia over the last three years according to a study of more than 200 marketers. If the data is right, brands are delusional about the skills they have versus what they need, while half the market has either been stripped of CX responsibility, or never had it to start with. Fresh from a decade in the UK, Coles GM of Brand, Digital and Design Sam McLeod thinks Australia is way behind the data-to-insight...

Apr 25, 202248 minSeason 1Ep. 198

Digital winners – how beauty giant MECCA is nailing loyalty while Coles, Woolies and Cotton On are making brand purpose pay: Salesforce VP Jo Gaines

The hottest topic in the digital market, Salesforce’s Jo Gaines reckons, is loyalty. And she has two words for brands not delivering personalisation, killer experiences, and a rewarding value exchange: ‘Watch out’. “They really expect you to know all of that,” she says. Competitors are likely circling. Beauty giant MECCA is nailing it, and there are smaller businesses emerging that are looking at partnerships to deliver similar experiences. Likewise, Gaines says, purpose-driven organisations are...

Apr 21, 202233 minSeason 1Ep. 197

‘No excuses’ for not having audio devices all day: SCA says dynamic ads, smart speakers, long sessions and high ‘we’re not Facebook’ iOS opt ins fuelling massive digital audio growth

Digital audio is growing at about 35 per cent year-on-year, and is now north of $150 million, Southern Cross Austereo’s Chief Sales Officer, Brian Gallagher, reckons. And as digital audio grows, so too are the learnings. For one, smart speakers make up 20 to 30 per cent of the total audience, and those people are listening for hours at a time. Two in every three dollars spent with SCA are buying direct insertions – just one third are programmatic ads. And agencies are still splitting audio and d...

Apr 12, 202239 minSeason 1Ep. 196

Can Australia’s richest man, Andrew Forrest, save contextual & diverse audiences and indie media frozen out by Facebook & Google as Big Tech’s $200m pay-off silences Big Australian Media

Some have labelled as futile the “WaitingOnZuck" news freeze mounted by 40 independent Australian publishers three weeks ago to protest Facebook and Google’s dismissive and arrogant treatment of smaller, independent media publishers under the Federal Government’s globally acclaimed Media Bargaining Code legislation. But a street fight engineered by independent media, and intervention by the philanthropic foundation of billionaire Fortescue Metals founder, Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest, to lead a colle...

Apr 11, 202239 minSeason 1Ep. 195

Healthier returns: Contextual, location-powered pDOOH targeting healthy youth without insurance via dynamic creative moves needle for NIB, sets ‘new industry benchmark’

NIB is reinventing itself, looking to reach young types not necessarily into health insurance – rather than the 45 per cent of Australians who already have a policy. It ran 20 different messages, influenced by location, targeting gyms and supermarkets on programmatic digital out of home screens with Val Morgan Outdoor. “Rather than focusing on advertising that talks to a joining offer, it was more about who NIB is as a brand,” Marketing Manager Mitch Leman says. That meant reminders to eat healt...

Apr 07, 202238 minSeason 1Ep. 194

Nine reveals first media attention data from Prof. Karen Nelson-Field: Mobile beats Connected TV which beats broadcast for active attention; YouTube feels heat for "skip ad button" focus

The first detailed attention data from a major media group is out with Nine releasing findings of its attention study with Professor Karen Nelson-Field’s Amplified Intelligence. For a 30-second spot on linear television, the average person pays just 11 seconds of “Active Attention”, or 37 per cent of the ad. BVOD on connected TVs and mobile phones score higher on active attention but when added to “Passive Attention”, linear television vastly outperforms most of its rivals, say Nine’s Liana Dubo...

Apr 04, 202249 minSeason 1Ep. 193

Mental availability, brand rejection, Binet & Field, ESOV and Ehrenberg-Bass: New B2B data shows marketers should flip the funnel sideways for business growth, B2C strategy also on the hook

Mi3’s most read story of 2021 unpacked the critical role of mental availability in business metrics, as well as its impact on ESOV , or extra share of advertising voice. Now Ehrenberg-Bass Institute Professors Byron Sharp, Jenni Romaniuk and John Dawes, the people behind ‘mental availability’, have produced a paper with the B2B Institute that should have far-reaching implications for marketing and advertising practice. From flipping the marketing funnel sideways to scotching “delusions” that ret...

Mar 28, 202248 minSeason 1Ep. 192

Cookies, cream and crackers: Arnott’s CMO Jenni Dill on retailer media, selling out of Tim Tam perfume and fixing a tired, older-skewing brand for youngsters, the decadent and the healthy

Former McDonald’s CMO Jenni Dill joined the old but iconic Arnott’s in the same role 18 months ago after US private equity firm KKR paid $3.2 billion for the business from Campbell's. Rather than stripping out costs in pursuit of rapid profit, the new owners are investing to build Arnott’s return as a contemporary Australian iconic brand. The growth plans are ambitious and, in the case of a sell-out of Tim Tam perfume, unconventional – but this year will see Dill and her team put the foot down a...

Mar 21, 202243 minSeason 1Ep. 191

‘He’s well versed in current structures of power in media and marketing’: Why Henry Tajer has put millions into a new venture to upend corporate, agency strategy and planning… and the $16bn influence business

Influence, influencers, creator economy and ‘systems thinking’… Standby for some new buzzwords like people-based influence and privacy-friendly zero party data, as the global influencer market is set to top $16bn this year. But the influence industry is still unhinged, poorly managed and needs integrated measurement to help marketing teams understand business impact. And for different reasons, corporate strategy, market research and agency strategy planning are facing structural overhauls that a...

Mar 14, 202252 minSeason 1Ep. 190

New Work Order: NAB partnerships chief, Mindshare and Foxtel Media CEOs break down post-Covid client, agency and publisher supply chain challenges, flexible working, bad industry practices, and where media goes next

No-one in the advertising supply chain is immune to the challenge of how to work in the post-Covid world. NAB’s Thomas Dobson, Mindshare’s outgoing CEO Katie Rigg Smith and Foxtel Media CEO Mark Frain have had to manage this New Work Order. Is it “in the room, not Zoom”? Full flexibility? A mixture of both? Rigg Smith says the pandemic created an expectation that everyone was at their computer, working, morning till night. “You don’t build trust over email,” she says. Frain says half the workfor...

Mar 10, 202237 minSeason 1Ep. 189

Tip of the iceberg: Brands want to reweight media campaigns to lowest carbon publishers; Australia’s Bcorp indie agencies plan to pip holdcos with Net Zero Media calculator; Shift happening faster than publishers realise

$6.5bn fund manager Australian Ethical, ‘clean fast food’ firm Guzman y Gomez, Unilever’s Ben & Jerry’s, Lion’s Stone & Wood, The Body Shop and parts of Danone are all Bcorps. They are all driving growth through commitments to social and environmental good – and are all laser-focused on the sustainability and purpose credentials of those they do business with. That includes media owners and agencies. In a few weeks, a new media carbon calculator developed by Benedictus Media sister compa...

Mar 08, 202245 minSeason 1Ep. 188

Tourism Australia CMO Susan Coghill: Search volumes up 160%; Times Square, Piccadilly Circus billboards spearhead Oz ad blitz; Local CX, unique ID trial expands to UK, Singapore for post-cookie travel crunch

With the largest social media following in the world as a tourism destination – 17 million – an international advertising blitz in the wings and the expansion offshore of a new customer experience (CX) and post-cookie ID platform trial, Tourism Australia’s CMO Susan Coghill and team have a billion dollar fight on their hands. How do you attract tourists, competing against governments the world over throwing everything at kickstarting decimated tourist economies – and travellers eschewing long-ha...

Feb 28, 202228 minSeason 1Ep. 187

Seven to 10% of TV viewers aren’t watching any linear TV – but are streaming BVOD; VOZ adoption growing, but networks say many marketers still buying in silos

In the six months since VOZ launched, giving a look at unduplicated viewers on linear TV, online streaming and catch-up services, dozens of agencies and hundreds of brands have started using its data – but the networks say there’s still a way to go (and myths to be busted). Nine’s Richard Hunwick says “streaming choosers” are a new category of streaming-only viewer, which ThinkTV CEO Kim Portrate says includes the light viewer – like young people and women. Seven’s Craig Johnson says a lot of ma...

Feb 24, 202239 minSeason 1Ep. 186

GroupM boss Aimee Buchanan and Essence CEO Pat Crowley spell out where billions of brand dollars are heading next; time to walk the talk on transparency, media diversity and why publishers should prepare for carbon targets

GroupM’s new CEO Aimee Buchanan spent ten years at OMD, trading on a transparency ticket and throwing stones at the approaches taken by GroupM and other “enemy” holdcos. New Essence CEO Pat Crowley was the ultimate under-the-radar operator. As one industry observer has it, “Pat played by Covid rules before Covid existed”. But he led Ikon’s CommBank account for 17 years, and the Sydney agency for half a dozen – and says grown-up kids mean it’s time to step up to steer Essence through the turbulen...

Feb 21, 20221 hrSeason 1Ep. 185
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