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Metacast: Behind the scenes

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Metacast is a podcast app for podcast aficionados. We are building a powerful tool that helps you get the most out of podcasts. Auto-generated transcripts allow you to quickly skim episodes, search for content, and bookmark segments. Automated playlists, listening history & stats, and much more is coming. On this podcast, co-founders of Metacast talk about building the company and the product.

Episodes

67. Attack of LLM bots

Our website got slammed by LLM bots from Amazon and Anthropic, which could've cost us $7k in Vercel image optimization costs! Get Metacast podcast app for Android and iOS at https://⁠⁠⁠metacast.app⁠⁠⁠ . Join the ⁠⁠ r/metacastapp ⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [00:20] Introduction and episode overview [01:31] New features and updates [03:02] Why do we keep applying to YC? [08:53] The LLM bot invasion incident [21:26] We re-allowed LLM bots to crawl the site [28:22] Book & podcast recommendations Show...

Feb 27, 202532 minEp 67Transcript available on Metacast

66. Lowlights of 2024 and what's up for 2025

In the first episode of 2025, we discuss the lowlights of last year and sharing our high-level plans for 2025. Get Metacast podcast app for Android and iOS at https://⁠⁠⁠metacast.app⁠⁠⁠ . Join the ⁠⁠ r/metacastapp ⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [02:23] User feedback [06:48] Fixing the leaky bucket of the intro screen [11:00] New feature: Episode inbox [15:11] Investing in the web app [18:24] The hard parts of 2024 [23:25] We have to make it work, or else... [30:38] Why we're putting energy in SEO [33:28...

Jan 29, 202547 minEp 66Transcript available on Metacast

65. The first outage and an unexpected save

In this holiday edition episode, we discuss the past year's highlights, a recent outage, and the rapid emergence of Bluesky as a social media platform. Get Metacast podcast app for Android and iOS at https://⁠⁠⁠metacast.app⁠⁠⁠ . Join the ⁠⁠ r/metacastapp ⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [00:20] Welcome to the holiday edition [01:24] Year in review: launches and growth [04:06] Challenges and user feedback [07:12] The big outage and serendipitous solution [10:16] Switching to a new transcription service [18...

Dec 18, 202444 minEp 65Transcript available on Metacast

64. VC-backed vs. bootstrapped startups

We've chatted with a VC-backed founder who is on the brink of closing shop. Listen to our reflections on this. Plus, a breakdown of latest Metacast features! Get Metacast podcast app for Android and iOS at https://⁠⁠⁠metacast.app⁠⁠⁠ . Join the ⁠⁠ r/metacastapp ⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [01:26] New features in Metacast [01:42] Sleep timer [06:21] Speed control [12:32] Grid view in playlists [15:37] Goals for the next month [17:07] Our chat with a VC-backed startup founder [28:56] Podcast and books r...

Nov 13, 202441 minEp 64Transcript available on Metacast

63. Dropping the price

We've launched with a price of $49.99/year, but we realized it's too high. We're lowering it to $19.99/year or $1.99/month. Get Metacast podcast app for Android and iOS at https://⁠⁠⁠metacast.app⁠⁠⁠ . Join the ⁠⁠ r/metacastapp ⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [01:14] How we decided to lower the price for Metacast [03:03] Initially we had three plans [04:48] Pulling the andon cord [06:40] One password app's reference point [08:21] Why we're not adding ads [11:35] Enshittification of consumer apps [14:21] O...

Oct 17, 202431 minEp 63Transcript available on Metacast

62. Rejected by Apple

We've launched Metacast in Apple App Store. In this episode, we talk about the process and Apple's feedback. Get Metacast podcast app for Android and iOS at https://⁠⁠⁠metacast.app⁠⁠⁠ . Join the ⁠⁠ r/metacastapp ⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [00:51] Big milestone! [02:38] Apple requires screenshots for older phones [05:23] iPad screenshots [07:17] Apple's responses [12:11] The rejection we couldn't figure out [16:14] Apple vs. Google review feedback [20:26] Marketing the app [25:13] Podcast and book re...

Oct 02, 202435 minEp 62Transcript available on Metacast

61. Confessions of a lonely founder, Flutter & iOS woes, app positioning

In this episode we discuss a couple of weeks when our Slack went silent, a slow grind to launch on iOS, and talk about the word we want Metacast to be known for. Get Metacast podcast app for Android and iOS at https://⁠⁠⁠metacast.app⁠⁠⁠ . Join the ⁠⁠ r/metacastapp ⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [02:12] Confessions of a lonely founder [07:12] iOS and Flutter woes [18:33] The Wizard of Oz feature for OPML import [23:30] What is the word you want to be known for? [29:38] Podcast and book recommendations Sh...

Sep 18, 202438 minEp 61Transcript available on Metacast

60. First haters, first violations, the launch process and smelling like teen spirit

We've launched Metacast on Android. In this episode, we talk about the feedback we received, first haters, Google Play store violations, and our launch process. We cover topics of feature toggling, version Get Metacast podcast app for Android and iOS at https://⁠⁠⁠metacast.app⁠⁠⁠. Join the ⁠⁠r/metacastapp⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [02:16] Quick update on Android launch [07:57] Marketing and retention [11:17] Our first one-star review on Play Store [15:39] Feedback from the Overcast subreddit [19:37]...

Sep 04, 202442 minEp 60Transcript available on Metacast

59. Metacast for Android launched!

Big announcement - we've launched Metacast on Android in Google Play Store! In this episode, we talk about deciding the scope for v1, punting on features, and pricing. Get Metacast at ⁠⁠⁠ metacast.app⁠⁠⁠. New users get 51% off Metacast Premium until end of August 2024. Join the ⁠⁠r/metacastapp⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [00:22] We've launched in Google Play Store! [02:58] Preparation for launch [04:01] What makes Metacast app different from other podcast apps? [13:49] Features we punted at launch [20...

Aug 14, 202434 minEp 59Transcript available on Metacast

58. The 1 Year Anniversary

It’s been a year since we started working on Metacast. In this episode Arnab and Ilya reflect on the journey and compare working on a startup with the old corporate days. Get Metacast at ⁠⁠⁠ metacast.app⁠⁠⁠. Join the ⁠⁠r/metacastapp⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [05:35] No going back to corporate [06:21] Annual reviews [13:43] Best year of Ilya's career [15:49] Frustrations with corporate [20:32] Anxiety and collaboration [26:41] Playing a long game [27:33] Letting go of old habits [34:13] Getting back ...

Jul 17, 202456 minEp 58Transcript available on Metacast

57. Positioning, power struggle, DUNS bureaucracy

We're discussing the dilemma of positioning Metacast as both powerful and simple, break down the recent power struggle about 5% transparency of a UI element, and share our experience with the DUNS number that developers have to get to be in Apple App Store and Google Play Store. Get Metacast at ⁠⁠⁠ metacast.app⁠⁠⁠. Join the ⁠⁠r/metacastapp⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [02:00] The positioning dilemma [10:15] Remaining features to launch the app and recent updates [13:30] Power struggle between Arnab and...

May 17, 202430 minEp 57Transcript available on Metacast

56. We're back!

We're back and this is a massive update on what we've been up to since our last episode! Get Metacast at ⁠⁠⁠ metacast.app⁠⁠⁠. Join the ⁠⁠r/metacastapp⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [00:24] We're back [03:23] Tangent about our names [05:00] First full-team offsite in Florida [08:27] We made Android cool again! [12:44] Paid app subscriptions with RevenueCat [16:04] Reflection on working in person vs. WFH [21:01] Seeing alligators in the Everglades [24:08] How we got an intern/contractor to build a website...

May 01, 202439 minEp 56Transcript available on Metacast

55. Leaving Google and Amazon to bootstrap Metacast (rerun of ep. 24)

We took a leap of faith and left our jobs at Google and Amazon to jump into the unknown. It wasn't easy and required quite a bit of planning. This is a rerun of June 2023 episode where we talk about how we did it. Get Metacast at ⁠⁠⁠ metacast.app⁠⁠⁠. Join the ⁠⁠r/metacastapp⁠⁠ subreddit. Links Show notes for part 1 and part 2 can be found on our website. Get in touch 🚀 Get the Metacast podcast app: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://metacast.app⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 👥 Join our subreddit: ⁠⁠https://www.reddit.com/r/metacastapp/⁠...

Mar 20, 20242 hr 33 minEp 55Transcript available on Metacast

54. How we chose the market to go after

We got asked how we were thinking about product-market-fit, potential revenue, and entering a market that already has strong players. We’re giving a full breakdown of our thought process. Get Metacast at ⁠⁠⁠ metacast.app⁠⁠⁠. Join the ⁠⁠r/metacastapp⁠⁠ subreddit. Segments [01:35] Ilya's “fun” interview with Google (tangent) [05:52] How we chose the market to go after [21:42] Our financial model approach [27:06] Thinking about the company size early on [31:09] How much money do we personally want ...

Mar 06, 202449 minEp 54Transcript available on Metacast

53. How we launched Metacast in beta

We broke Metacast just before launching it in open beta. Ouch. On this episode, we talk about the launch, how it went, and what we’ve learned. Get Metacast at ⁠⁠metacast.app⁠⁠ . Join the ⁠r/metacastapp⁠ subreddit. Segments [02:13] Get The Pragmatic Podcaster book for free [03:33] We broke Metacast just before launch [08:39] How we fixed the problem [14:04] The other way we broke the app [16:27] Publishing to Apple and Google [20:04] Marketing for open beta [24:10] Business metrics [30:38] This i...

Feb 21, 202441 minEp 53Transcript available on Metacast

52. Our first existential startup crisis

We had our first existential crisis when Apple announced that they're adding transcripts to Apple Podcasts. We panicked for a few minutes, regrouped, and decided to ship Metacast in open beta ASAP. On the episode, Arnab, Ilya and Jennie discuss the whole ordeal as it was happening. Get Metacast at ⁠metacast.app⁠ . Join the r/metacastapp subreddit. Segments [01:09] Launch stages at Google and Amazon [07:21] Our secret sauce [13:00] Why we decided to start talking about the app openly [17:22] Our ...

Feb 08, 202448 minEp 52Transcript available on Metacast

51. Post vacation guilt, writing docs, new podcast

We took a break from the startup for the holiday season and were welcomed back to work by a warm embrace of guilt. Should we feel guilt when building a startup? Today we also discuss the launch of our new podcast Builders Gonna Build and how we made the decision to start it. We talk about writing a doc, just like in the good ol’ days at Amazon. Listen to Builders Gonna Build - Apple Podcasts - Spotify - YouTube - Substack Segments [02:57] Snowmaggedon in Vancouver [09:04] Post-vacation guilt [21...

Jan 24, 202451 minEp 51Transcript available on Metacast

Emergency episode

Wee-oo wee-oo wee-oo... we've got an important announcement to make! Bulders Gonna Build podcast: Apple Podcasts Spotify YouTube Newsletter on Substack: www.buildersgonnabuild.com Give it a rating, a follow and repost to help us out!...

Jan 18, 20244 minTranscript available on Metacast

50. Year 2023 in review, plans for 2024

What was 2023 like to Metacast, what's ahead for us in 2024, and our favorite podcast recordings of 2023. Segments [02:39] Year 2023 in review [18:59] Could we have shipped Metacast faster? [23:45] Our plan for 2024 [31:36] Our favorite behind the scenes episodes of 2023 [39:04] Books and podcasts recommendations Get in touch 🚀 Get the Metacast podcast app: ⁠⁠https://metacast.app⁠⁠ ✉️ Subscribe to Metacast newsletter: ⁠⁠https://www.metacastpodcast.com⁠⁠ 👋 Send feedback or say hi: hello@metacas...

Jan 10, 202450 minEp 50Transcript available on Metacast

49. Our favorite books, podcasts, products and experiences of 2023

To close off 2023, Arnab and Ilya sat down for a lighthearted review of our favorite books, podcasts, products and experiences of 2023. Segments [01:51] A lesson in geology [03:16] Our top books of 2023 [23:46] Our favorite podcasts of 2023 [41:04] Our favorite products [49:34] Experiences of the year 2023 Show notes Books Arnab’s The Ministry for the Future: A Novel by Kim Stanley Robinson Project Hail Mary: A Novel by Andy Weir Open: An Autobiography by Andre Agassi The Mom Test: How to talk t...

Jan 03, 20241 hrEp 49Transcript available on Metacast

48. Pros and cons of working at Google and other Big Tech companies with Alex Rechevskiy

Alex Rechevskiy, PM career coach, tells us about his time as a PM at Google, his solopreneur coaching practice, and Comment Armor, his YouTube spam comments management startup. Segments [01:46] Why product management is hard? [07:27] Alex' solopreneur coaching business [19:30] Experience working at Google as a PM [41:18] Building social media following [44:11] Preventing spam in YouTube comments with Comment Armor [58:01] Book recommendation Show notes Alex on LinkedIn Alex’s website Alex on You...

Dec 20, 20231 hrEp 48Transcript available on Metacast

[RERUN] Brian McCullough, the host of Techmeme Ride Home and Internet History Podcast

This is a re-run of our "very second episode" originally published on Jan 11, 2023. -- For our second episode (and the very first one with a guest!), we sat down with Brian McCullough, creator of the ⁠Internet History Podcast⁠ , one of Ilya’s all-time favorite podcasts. Brian’s current podcast is ⁠Techmeme Ride Home⁠ , a popular daily summary of tech news that has over a million downloads every month. Brian is also an investor running the ⁠Ride Home Fund⁠ and a resident at TED (check out Brian’s...

Dec 13, 20232 hr 45 minTranscript available on Metacast

47. Is fair equity compensation possible in a startup? with Outseta's co-founder Geoff Roberts

Geoff Roberts, co-founder of Outseta, on a compensation model that allows employees earn founder-level equity. Segments [01:06] Intro of Geoff and Outseta [03:42] How Outseta got started [10:50] Current state of Outsetta business [18:35] Customer acquisition through content marketing, affiliates and partnerships [33:27] Compensation philosophy [40:57] Cash vs. equity [48:18] Voting rights, scaling, and risks of Outseta's model [01:01:52] Hiring [01:03:35] Mechanics of the ledger and corporate st...

Dec 06, 20231 hr 11 minEp 47Transcript available on Metacast

46. Why we build Metacast in public?

Metacast co-founders discuss benefits and risks of building a startup in public. Segments: [02:06] The "build in public" movement [08:46] Why we share what we do? [22:59] Downsides of building in public [33:49] Book and podcast recommendations 🚀 Get the Metacast podcast app: https://metacast.app ✉️ Subscribe to Metacast newsletter: https://www.metacastpodcast.com 👋 Send feedback or say hi: hello@metacastpodcast.com 📕 Get our book! The Pragmatic Podcaster: a step-by-step guide to starting an a...

Nov 29, 202342 minEp 46Transcript available on Metacast

45. Lego Blocks vs. Model Airplanes of Software Products

Arnab and Ilya discuss different approaches to building products from the angle of do-what-you-want platforms vs. opinionated products. Show notes Insanely Simple WeCrashed Super Pumped Blackberry Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Fall of Civilizations Hardcore History What Now? Podcast Industry News The Metallica Podcast 🚀 Get the Metacast podcast app: https://metacast.app ✉️ Subscribe to Metacast newsletter: https://www.metacastpodcast.com 👋 Send feedback or say hi: hello@metacastpodcast.com ...

Nov 22, 202345 minEp 45Transcript available on Metacast

44. Doing Agile vs. being agile with Pragmatic Programmer Dave Thomas

Dave Thomas, co-author of The Pragmatic Programmer and Agile Manifesto, on the true spirit of being agile (vs. "doing agile"), common mistakes engineering teams make, and common practices of successful teams. Segments: [00:23] Dave's background [08:45] The genesis of The Pragmatic Programmer [12:47] People don't know what they want, importance of feedback loops [20:24] Doing Agile vs. being agile [24:43] Practices of successful engineering teams [34:42] Being pragmatic at an early stage startup ...

Nov 15, 202358 minEp 44Transcript available on Metacast

43. Becoming social media influencers (but not LinkedIn Lunatics)

Arnab and Ilya reminisce about their first social media experiences with ICQ and Orkut, discuss fixing X-Twitter, read an eulogy for Threads, and strategize about becoming social media influencers. Segments: [03:12] First experiences with social media [10:52] Reddit [16:19] Threads [18:35] Misuse of Instagram as a text blogging platform [21:25] Can existing social networks be replaced? [23:47] The hard life of a social media influencer [25:28] X / Twitter [29:04] AI content creation [32:23] Valu...

Nov 09, 20231 hr 3 minEp 43Transcript available on Metacast

42. Equity compensation at a pre-revenue bootstrapped startup with Jennie Buechner

Jennie Buechner is a Senior Software Engineer and the first hire at Metacast. We discussed leaving Amazon to join an early stage startup and how we thought about equity compensation when we can't afford to pay a salary yet. Segments: [02:04] Jennie introduces herself [03:57] ChatGPT introduces Jennie, Ilya and Arnab [07:29] Explaining the number 42 [10:38] Leaving Amazon [20:46] Joining Metacast [28:08] Working for equity without a salary component [45:57] Living off savings [49:29] Jennie's rol...

Nov 01, 202359 minEp 42Transcript available on Metacast

41. Differentiating vs. table-stakes features, MLP vs. MVP, YC application

What features do you build first - table stakes or what makes you differentiated? What's the difference between an MVP and an MLP? Is it worth applying to YC? ...and a few recommendations of books and podcasts that we're into these days. Segments: [03:40] Differentiating features vs. table stakes features [06:58] MVP vs. MLP [14:00] The MAYA principle [16:57] We applied to YC [23:31] Building a landing page with Carrd [26:22] Chaos engineering for customer empathy [31:56] The Three-Body Problem ...

Oct 25, 202349 minEp 41Transcript available on Metacast

40. Automating mobile app releases with Tramline founders

A conversation with founders of Tramline, a CI/CD platform for mobile apps that we use for releasing Metacast. We talked about release standards (or lack thereof) for mobile and how Tramline solves this problem. We also dug into the founding story of the company, how they sold to first customers, fundraising from angels, and a few more topics. Get tramline at https://www.tramline.app/ Tramline on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tramlinehq Pratul Kalia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pratulkalia/ Nived...

Oct 18, 20231 hr 18 minEp 41Transcript available on Metacast