Agnostic Agentic AI | Nothing Else Matters

I'm gonna be talking about some competing projects and also why I just don't really care how we get to that vision of the future that I I imagine in my mind. So we're gonna be really focusing on the agnostic portion of AI today. And

to kick this off, I wanna just give a little, story. I was listening to a conversation between Raoul Pal and Barry Silberts. And, Barry is very interested in AI and in particular in the bit tensor project. And so he was talking all about it. And as he was talking about it, I'm like, oh, okay. You know, he obviously likes it. He's he's been around for a while. He's a pretty smart guy from what I can tell. And

the more he talks about it, the more I went like, this sounds really similar to what Morpheus is doing. And I couldn't really distinguish what what the difference was just based on that that conversation. And so I put it in the back of my mind, like, alright. I need to look into this a little bit and, like, a little bit bit of a mental homework that I need to do, at some portion.

And I wasn't the only one thinking this because, Tommy boy in the discord, funnily enough, asked pretty much the same question, which was what's the difference between the two? And if you look onto your screen at the moment, you'll see a graphic there. It's pretty small. So, jump into the Morpheus discord if you want, and you'll find a bigger version. And, this graphic essentially showing what's the differences between Morpheus and bit tensor. And,

you know, Anton responded with this. And, you know, the TLDR for if you want to get into it is that they are indeed focusing on similar goals, which is creating a marketplace for Morpheus. It's directly and only really for the AI agents with all of the underpinnings of the compute and stuff like that kind of beneath the surface. And for bit tensor, it's creating

a marketplace for digital commodities in general, with most of that being focused on AI. So, you know, I don't think NFTs fall under, that that sort of thing. And the main difference that I could tell was in the how they were going about achieving the pretty much same thing, which was a decentralized marketplace of something AI related. Now, BitTensor, you know, has its own chain. It's got miners, it's got validators. I haven't looked deeply

enough into all of these things. And, you know, once again, time is limited how deep I will be able to get into it. We'll see. But, all of this kind of relates to a topic, which was, I've been thinking about wanting to talk about, which was, I guess, agnosticism in general. And, in particular, when I'm saying that how it relates to impartiality,

so a neutral or unbiased stance, especially regarding a particular belief or system. When people usually talk about agnosticism, it's in the religious contests context. So that would be, you know, not not believing in a in a in a way. So it's like, you know, not denying the, that there are gods or that there are things like that, but it's kind of just having a neutral stance and saying, I don't know. And, I quite like this impartial, stance.

And I really wanted to relate this to the AI future vision and and Morpheus's role in it. So

if you'll indulge me in some mini backstories, my introduction to Bitcoin, as many people, has couple of touch points, you know, heard about in 2013. Didn't care. I was in uni then. You know, how does this relate to me? Has focused much more on, on other things. 2017, at the end of the big,

bull run, and then it came down again. I was like, oh, yeah. You know what? I probably wanna have some of this stuff and some of these other things. Did all the stupid things, left it on exchange. Thankfully, didn't get hacked, but, you know, I just left it there for, like, three or four years. And it wasn't until 2021, where I had an actual, real life example of being able to use Bitcoin. And this was with regards to to podcasting where it kind of opened my eyes. And, I saw

and understood all of the backings behind of it. So, you know, the hard money properties of BTC really put into context the things I saw whilst traveling in Argentina, especially between 2018 and 2019, where they had 100 inflation between my two visits. And so that opened my eyes as to to what was really going on and why that system. And then also, you know, even the Australian dollar over a much longer time period

suffers the exact same thing. So, yeah, a neutral system of value distributed via energy fairly, an unchanging one that wouldn't be swayed by the the whims of humans, you know, run according to a set of rules that were known and unalterable. And this is the coding aspect. 21,000,000 hard cap, 50 BTC, but block having every 210,000 blocks each block aiming for about ten minutes, with difficulty adjusted every two weeks and having that for every four weeks, that sort of thing, four years. And so

when I realized, like, oh, this is all just based on code, like, it's just it's just written in there. And the code is not like human language, which is very slippery and easy for adjustments and, you know, even our best contracts that we draw up with lawyers and things like this, there's still a slippery ness to it. And, you know, when I was realizing the the the core aspect of this was just the impartiality of the code,

That was what really kind of went, oh, okay. This is this is something different. And even though I couldn't verify myself that impartiality and really get into it, and didn't have the skills for it, I could kind of, you know, research enough, get enough into it to to realize, like, oh, this is what this is. And I actually, you know, nowadays you kind of can. I asked Venice to find me a portion of the BTC code that specifies the

the difficulty adjustment time. So for the every ten minutes, and I found something which said consist consensus and power targeting equals 10 times 60, which I guess kind of makes sense to me, but I hope that's real and it's not just hallucinating. In any case, Croods King, easy peasy lemon squeezy, you know, wipe our hands clean. We're done here, boys. But the real tricky thing for me to get past,

after this was, and something that I think a lingering doubt that is occurring in many people when they start to understand this is like, sure, BTC is amazing. Bitcoin, you've got this impartial code, but anyone can create a crypto. There's 50,000 of them. There's 100,000. There's a million. And, you know, this one could be better because the halving occurs every twenty minutes instead of something like this.

And what I gradually begin to learn is that although the code is agnostic, it's impartial, it doesn't care. I slash we personally can't be agnostic about just the code. And this is where it's getting into, I guess, the mimetic religious aspects that you'll find in Bitcoin, which is it's about the adoption. How do people care about it? How do they interact with it? The code code doesn't solve everything.

It's also about adoption, the human component, all the type of things I discussed in the layer zero episode, and which I would encourage you to to check out because that is an important part of this, which then gets me onto, I guess, like, a little bit of a contradictory

thing, which was, I I once again, I care about these things, but I also don't. And so I actually don't care about tech, for example. And when I say tech, I mean, the applications, the things built on top of the original layer. So to deliver the real world life experiences, around the same time where I was learning about all of these podcasting apps where you could send Bitcoin to your favorite podcaster

real time and it goes directly from your wallet to their ones. You know, the the whole digital cash aspect of this. There was all these other things I was learning about lightning. And for example, there was this application where you could tune into a live feed, of a chicken coop. And if you sent in, I don't know, I think it was, like, a thousand sats or something like that. You could see a little feed hatch open and,

grain come out, and then all these chickens would come running over. So you could feed some chickens in real real time. And, you know, that that was kind of funny, and it was like, oh, there's a there's funny. But much like how the Internet works, how engines work, how Wi Fi works, I don't really care how

that, you know, payment went from my wallet. I didn't care how the layer two actually works, how the wallet I was using actually works to make that experience happen, which was a fun experience. It was it was all just like, okay, as long as it works, that's fine with me. You gotta have that appreciation, the understanding that, you know, you don't wanna be spending all your time on something that could

just be taken away from you at any given moment. So you know, if you built your your business on Facebook, if you have directed your life energy towards something where it's very much in the hands or control of other people. Yeah. Okay. That that's not the greatest thing, but I'm always a fan of, like, that. You can get decentralization via having many centralized things that do the same thing.

So this is kind of how I think about something like the Morpheus first bit tensor debate or anything like the Ethereum versus Ethereum killers or all of the different type of Ethereum layer twos and things like this. I ultimately care about having AI agents that, uncensored and unrestricted and available for anyone. And I'm watching to see where they come from first. The whole Morpheus origin and stack

make me think it'll be likely to be with Morpheus. But if cool stuff gets done over at at BitTensor and that's where it comes from, like, that's that's completely fine with me as well. In the podcasting two point o world, you can send, you know, Bitcoin via many of these apps. I've got nine of them up on your screen at the moment.

And if you check out the updated mere mortals website, which is a link down below in the support page, you can learn how to, support any of the podcasts, that I run via any of these mechanisms as well. And, you know, much like there are all these things, I actually don't care if it's Bitcoin that's being sent through these things. I don't care if

they are it's someone, you know, sending Solana and it gets switched in the back end through a stable coin over to me and back into Bitcoin or whatever thing of value that I choose, as long as value is getting transferred from one place to the other, that's that's all that I really care about. And when I think about all of these debates of tech stacks and things like this, the the main thing I want is, I guess, the the outcome is the outcome. What I want,

unrestricted on unsaid today. I and this is how I I value and I look at projects and direct my energy towards things. Now obviously, it's got to have all of those underpinnings and those are the things that you're looking for. But that's how I very much view something like this. And it's having this, you know, impartial neutral stance in some regard to how you get there as long as you you get there.

And I know there's probably people screaming like the the ends justify the means sort of arguments, but, you know, you gotta have these these kind of conflicting type of opinions and views at times. I I I'm quite, enjoy that. And one of the reasons for that is, you know, I wrote here insert rant against Maxis, which is the the one chain to rule them all.

And I I don't understand that viewpoint at all. I find it very hubristic in some sort of way. And to be honest, look, I feel that slight pull towards the the ease, the simplification of mind of having it all sorted or figured out. You know, this is this is the one thing like we've we've figured it out, boys, bitcoins it. And, you know, likely this is why we've gravitated towards religion over the millennia. There is something about the aspect of having having it all just sorted out.

And look, the thing that I dislike most about the the maxi mindset and it doesn't really matter what it applies to is kind of the it's almost the hubris. Yeah. That's the main thing. Like the arrogance, the thinking that their thing can solve everything and that therefore everything else must be a shit or not worthy or a shit coin or it's, a distraction at best or it's, you know, evil or whatever thing you wanna call.

There's, I kind of I really like the cap catchphrase of stay humble and stack sets, which comes from a Bitcoin maxi of of Matt Odell. Although he, I guess, is a a freedom tech maxi. So I don't know how that really applies because I think there's Freedom Tech that you can find elsewhere as well. But in any case, the I was thinking, you know, applying this to Morpheus, the there is there's no Maxi type views that I've seen over here. And

this is really relating to that one one chain to rule them all. So I sort of deal the maxi viewpoint, which is it's chain agnostic. It's all about the agents and that's it. So sure, there are some design choices on, where it started, which was on arbitrum of why the capital contract only accepts, certain types of, yield producing assets, this being the stake teeth at the start. But all of that's short term, and it was just, like, term to just get you at at the at the moment and and started.

But the longer term view is it's gotta be everywhere. The the, Morpheus token gets bridged everywhere. It doesn't matter where it exists. People who want to participate in the system doesn't matter where they come from. It doesn't matter what they want to direct, in terms of, you know, capital towards it. That's the

it it kind of very much aligns into my philosophy of when it comes to podcasting, which is the available anytime, anywhere for anyone. And, you know, David mentions this in his tokenomics article that any changes would be to embrace the dual objectives of strengthening the Lindy effect and or enlarging the network effect, essentially making it available for everyone.

So when it comes to a maxi mindset, I just I just don't really understand it. And hence getting into this kind of agnosticism, this impartiality,

which also is getting to the how I view about agents as well. If you knew or already interested in in the Morpheus project, I think you're likely to hold a certain vision in your head of the future. And in particular, this will be a vision, which involves many, many AI agents. No one AI agent to rule them all. And, you know, if you dive into things like the singularity, which I guess is related more to consciousness and not to actual agents, but it still has this

kind of feel to it where it's like everything conglomerates. There's just going to be one thing. I I don't envision that type of world as certainly not in the, you know, immediate term future. I'm talking like the next five to ten years. I feel after ten years, especially like two decades from now, all all all chips are off the table. I have no idea what's gonna happen then. But certainly in the near term future, this is what I'm thinking about. And,

you know, if you're envisioning a world where there is only one option for an AI agent, I'm I'm just I don't think this is the place to be. I don't think this is the the type of project or or, one

That's personally how I don't see it. But if you do, you're I'm not sure this is the place where you want to be as well. So, I know once again there was many people who, where projects can change over time, like the, for example, Bitcoin, the many people who first got into it and became disillusioned because it turns out that at least at the moment, it's a store of value and doesn't really have much of that peer to peer electronic cash going on,

although there is a little bit of it and people seem to dismiss it. But there is, there is still some of that, but certainly that's not the main narrative. I could certainly see something like that happening with Morpheus. But the I guess, overall, it's like if that did change for me and there was only, like, one AI agent that came out,

I just hope I wouldn't be bitter about it. I I think having this agnostic impartial view, it's more of a mindset, I guess, what I'm talking about here in many ways, which is not getting too attached to any given portion of a and this is almost like lifestyle advice, to be honest. And and not wedding, getting, you know, getting wedded to your bands or your bags or things like this is what you hear about a lot. And

I guess this gets into my last point here, which is fence sitting is the way. And so there was a drunken argument, not an argument, drunken discussion that I was partaking in, you know, like 1AM on a on a Friday evening at a friend's birthday. And they were discussing like gender roles or something. And I declined to participate for several reasons. One, it was not the time nor the place for a nuanced, discussion. And I've kind of got the, you know, I mix this up in the

episode 12. Right at the end, I use the the photo of fence sitting kirin, attached to a cat, and I really should have used this one, the do not the way open sources do way. And so switch those two around. And, you know, fencing is the way. And I started off with this this, episode with my favorite DAOs and quote remastered into the, you know, should should have said master, not agent.

And in the title, you'll see Metallica's nineteen ninety two song, nothing else matters. And why did I do this? Well, obviously, it's because I'm transitioning this to a Buddhist interpretation of Metallica lyrics podcast. Okay. No. Though that would be funny. For me, nothing else matters other than reaching this vision of the the future that I imagine, which is, as I'm talked about, unrestricted, uncensored AI agents for everyone.

And, you know, I believe or what AI ends that I think the agents are the interface for for doing that. I don't care how we get there, how it works under the hood, who helped create it, and why it happened. It's kind of this Daoist part of me recognizes there has to be a proper way about doing this as well, you know, the way the way you can't have the you could have all of those things,

but they need to be built on the correct structure as well. So, you know, you could have something which appears to have all of these things, but actually under the hood, no, it's not an uncensored or unrestricted and decentralized. So,

you know, how how do you go about doing this? Well, a battering ram to try and force governments to do this or anyone to do this is not the way yet politely knocking on Sam Altman's door while it's raining outside, and hoping he's home to listen to your request is probably also not the correct option. A tightly controlled company is not likely to do this yet. A haphazard open source free for all is probably not the way. An overzealous maxi approach,

probably won't yet work yet. Not a everything has to be integrated before progressing approach and every idea is an awesome idea is also not the way. You know, me personally, I think Morpheus is the best attempt I've seen to get to this vision. And, you know, with the caveat, I haven't looked into bit tensor. Maybe that actually has, some some good aspects to it as well. But ultimately, I'm agnostic. I'm very impartial as to how we do get there. And,

yeah, I don't know. Is that is that something that other people resonate with? I would love to know that because I you need to have kind of faith and belief in something. But I also think you you need to not be too attached to some things as well. And it's a weird dichotomy. And, I I like that mindset and just wanted to to bring up some of the things that I I I'd heard about and were swirling around my mind related to these things.

So this is the end of this episode, and it's also a value for value podcast available anywhere, any time for anyone with no sponsorships. There's no ads. There's no, influences on this. These are just my ideas and, things that I want to convey out there. I do these live and actually got a couple of live comments here from Cole McCormick says I'm happy we live stream at the same time. It's another podcaster podcaster

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Talon, if there's any graphics, if there's audio quality, memes, Discord answers, a website, you know, what do you think of the the new website? He says v for v is the way as well. Yes. I also, agree with that. Yeah. So, meremortalspodcasts.com or just meremortalspodcast.com. Both will take you to the same place once I get the DNS rerouted properly, slash support. And there's a whole bunch of ways where you can help support back there and doing it live and things like this as well.

There's the contract links down below in terms of the, what you might call it, the address that I've got set up. So in terms of if you wanted to stake some Morpheus to, my builder subnet, if you wanted to use me as a reference, if you're staking, capital ETH, if you just wanted to send me some, you can all go to to there, and it's all very much appreciated. And,

yeah, finally, there's a PayPal link down below as well. But, you know, this is getting close to the end of of season one of me and Morpheus. Likely there'll be a season two when I get back in the later part of the year after traveling in Europe. Yeah. You know, if you're in Europe and and wanted to hang out as well, I've got a couple of free days here and there in various locations, so hit me up and, yep, could potentially do that as well. So,

this is gonna be the end of this episode. Two more coming up. The final one will be a sum up, and next week's will actually be about separating AI and and crypto. Once again, a kind of, like, little contradictory, nature, I think there. So looking forward to it, and I hope you do too. And I hope you're having a fantastic day wherever you are in the world. Ciao for now. Karen out. Bye.