Don't be complacent. The moment you're complacent, you lose the baraka. You lose the connection. You lose the mahaba. You lose everything. And that's what I see lacking today. The mindset today is more about how we can have a comfortable stay, how our bedroom should be first class. Immad gave me a lot. Subhan Allah. It opened up so many doors for me. Subhan Allah. And Allah put so much baraka in the imam because interacting with people and mashallah.
Alhamdulillah. The joy that I got by alhamdulillah trying to serve the people was unthinkable. Alhamdulillah because I was young in age and the other imam was elderly in age. So a lot of people would approach me and ask me questions and they'd feel more comfortable asking me things. They will understand that you are coming from an Islamic perspective. You are a scholar of Islam. So your scholarly presence will make the difference and you have to guide the
people accordingly inshallah. So young mash have a lot of opportunities whether it's chapency whether many other things that they go into but it's important also for them to be involved community work. If there was a influential figure or a scholar from the recent past that you would like to sit with who would it be from the subjects that you studied were there any subjects that were your
most favorite? Who are your welcome to memory lane a podcast by siblings of a series dedicated to exploring the journeys of scholars and seekers of knowledge. With each episode we take a step back in time with our guests reflecting on their student life, their challenges, their sacrifices and their moments of inspiration. Through their stories, we hope to provide you with valuable lessons, inspiration, and motivation that will aid you in your journey as come with us down memory lane as we
sit with our esteemed scholars. Welcome to memory lane, a podcast by siblings of alhamdulillah, we're here with another episode. Inshallah as you're aware in this series we're sitting with various and mash to discuss about their life as and benefit from their experiences whilst they were studying and then post um whilst serving the community. Alhamdulillah we're honored in today's episode to have a very esteemed sheh a senior scholar of our country in the
UKh Maana Rafi Sufi Sahib. Alhamdulillah inshallah we'll be uh speaking to him uh briefly about his life as a student at the buri which many of us may have heard of but mahh studied there in the late 1980s and so inshallah we will discuss about how buri was in those times as well inshallah firstly to begin for taking out your time I know you have a very busy casual and alhamdulillah you've given us a time of your day to have this discussion and benefit from your experiences.
I didn't expect this. This is the first time in my life doing a podcast and mah it's for a good good cause. Alhamdulillah make it beneficial. Alhamdulillah that we have this honor. Alhamdulillah I'm going to dive straight
into it. Um as I mentioned um mashallah you at a very um young age and mah you were there so the many of us many budding have heard of even non must have heard it because it's it's it's a factual evidence it's it's it's a fact that mashallah many graduates of dali have have been spread around the country and around the world that are giving to the deen mah you were there at the very early stages of Dul Bur. What were your experience of the
Dulum at that time? Alhamdulillah, I went and I enrolled into Darum at a very young age. Uh I was in uh at about 11 years of age. Uh so I was enrolled in the Hifs program. Alhamdulillah. I had this uh you know this desire I want to become of the Quran. So my local Imam and im mahub Ahmed he mah encouraged me to enroll and some of my classmates also enrolled in darum. So I was very looking forward to
it. So I was in the first year of secondary school we used to call it year one at that time and now it's called year 7. So uh alhamdulillah I enrolled in and then mashallah uh the the it was a total different setup obviously from away from home. Uh so it was a total different experience but uh the alhamdulillah I actually enrolled in 1983. Subhan Allah. Subhan Allah. So uh so it was quite uh in the mid80s actually. Yeah. And I was there all the way till 1992. So I graduated in '92.
Alhamdulillah. So first of the hips program and uh uh my inspiring uh thing and my motivation was my late father. He always would encourage me uh to try and do and he always put emphasis even in the local masid when I was in the makab. He used to make the the mala come early before fudger to our house and my mom and my dad used to encourage them to this to come early and in the house give us the personal attention. My dad was very
pious. So mashallah he you know inspired me and he motivated me uh to enroll into the his program from Maktab and then I went further into Darum. So mah because some of my friends they went already to Dalum. So I heard a bit about it and you know it's very interesting. It's a very unique and a very remote place and you know it's all got very interesting things and we were very young at that time. So we never knew the the the the the value of hazal that we already young age of age.
I had gone to Dalon Berry before with my father and that was a blessing I think when Hazali came. So a few years before that hazali came and my dad actually there was an for hazard invited many people to go. So I was with my father in one of the rooms and I can still visualize that room where I was at alhamdulillah and you know we stayed there for I think maybe two nights and we had the opportunity alhamdulillah to do mafa with shik zakham. Alhamdulillah.
So I can still remember there was a long queue and maybe that was the moment where Allah you know put my heart towards and alhamdulillah from that point on was I just had the desire to you know enroll into a dalum. That was my initial motivation and means of enrolling into dalum. And when I took up the hips program, uh, alhamdulillah, I tried to put my best into the HIPS
program. And, uh, mashallah, you know, I, alhamdulillah, I tried to give my time as much as I could and I was advised by my my my parents, by my give commitments. And one advice was given to me that try and because this habit like I said early before 1 hour before fudger I was there from from the home. So u alhamdulillah you know the this was that I have to wake up 1 hour before the salah. So that was that was the setup and that was the you know the the I would be the first one in the jamat.
Wow. You know, this was a small child. I would sit next to a heater, you know, in the cabins. There used to be cabins at that time. There were Yeah. So, we used to have the cabins and the portable cabins and I used to be there and we used to wake up early and then I used to just sit there and, you know, pray and whatever I had to do and get
preparations for my my class. Mashallah had a very very very alhamdulillah merciful and a very affectionate admiab he's still alhamdulillah in Bolton he was infas so he was very very loving very caring mashallah so alhamdulillah so the the the journey started off alhamdulillah good uh there were ups and downs obviously settling in but because I had the very good roommates and my roommates were those that came a year or two year before me and they were already
settled in Darum. So they very I very quickly settled into the room and the the nam of alhamdulillah. No, it sounds it sounds really amazing and this is something I was actually wanting to discuss that in in at that time was a very new
thing. Yeah. Right. And so then was there any hesitation from those around you that you know you know and you know to stay because I assume that was the was the norm that obviously you go makab and then was it like daytime dooms or was it just studying in that time there was no provision of dar within the what we have now mashallah alhamdulillah now it's totally different ballgame but at that time the only dar was dar So if you wanted to do this, they had no daytime provisions,
no no evening, you know, thingy, alim class provisions, nothing. So this was it, you know, even for HIVs, even though there were HS classes within the Maktubs, but obviously the proper HS program, you know, this was it. This ultimately you have to go to Dulum and alhamdulillah, you know, mashallah, Allah tala blessed me with an opportunity to go there. Alhamdulillah.
So but obviously the initial Darham's inception was just a few years before my enrollment basically it was in the late '7s mid late '7s and alhamdulillah you know because when I was in when I got enrolled in Doom I was a little child but I saw the senior was in the also all these were senior students at that So we were looking upon them and you know I could see them and we never knew they're going to become luminary scholars later on later on they're going to become mystads you know so
alhamdulillah you know but they were great there it's a very big family you know this is what we sometimes we are avoid in today's environment in the rooms because there's a lot of age uh similarity at the moment there was a age gap so the elders were elders they were seniors in the sense they they were much more elder than you, 15 odd years. So, and and then the juniors were juniors.
So, it would be like the father figure they would be treating like a child and alhamdulillah was such a loving environment and that was the bless that that was the beauty of Dar at that time. Everybody acted as like one family. Everybody take care of each other. Everybody would have concern for each other and that's how it was. Alhamdulillah.
Were there any particular moments from your time during the studies that you still reminisce and you look back and you think you know like subhan Allah um like from one of your teachers or
something that you hold dear to you. I mean before before that I'd like to say that uh uh uh before I touch up on that al the HIVs program that I was doing uh obviously alhamdulillah my late father mashallah was the motivation behind it and and and the challenges one of the face I faced was when I was in the 23rd Jews and I can still remember it was my 23rd Jews and uh my father got really
ill. uh he was uh diagnosed with diabetes for a long time and he got uh really really ill and we went away because at that time my younger brother also got enrolled after me okay to doom so both of us were studying he was just really recent uh maybe a few months or so just about six seven months and then uh unfortunately u my father passed away so we went away we bought home and uh I just was at that time that was a changing moment for me because I wanted to do it for my dad and my dad was not
there any longer you know so I said no it's 23rd but I just hope he would have lived much more longer so I could have completed his whilst he was alive but so uh after that my elder brother mashallah alhamdulillah he then took reigns of taking care of us and taking us to dalum and bringing us back my father passed away in August uh
1985. Uh so I was coming to like the completion of of my hives and then uh Allah tala put a lot of uh challenges upon our our family at that time because my elder brother was 19 at that time unfortunately had a car accident and he passed away you know so again within a year we had two deaths in the family father and then my brother passed away in July 1986 and That really really really broke me in the sense and uh because at home there was nobody there was no me because
me and my brother were at Darlum my elder brother was at home father had passed away uh and then uh at that point uh uh I I thought to myself that I think uh I'm just going to do hs now because nobody's at home uh and u uh basically uh no sorry I when my father passed away at that time I only had an intention. I'm just going to do hs and that's it. I'm not going to go further into a horse or anything. I just do hs and then I come back home and then I'll I'll see
what I can do after that. But then after I finished my hives, my brother Mahum he he motivated me and he said, "No, no, you need to try and continue the studies. At least do one year. You learn the big big musl big big muslas." So you know you can then try and be you know a means of uh helping assisting people guiding people. So learn the bit big muslas first year and then and you take it from
there. So after my father's demise my my my brother alhamdulillah he would like give us both the motivation and then whatever happened you in my my brother had an accident and he passed away suddenly and then after that I made an intention that no my brother he came and dropped me off in that room that night after there was a wedding there was a family wedding and he dropped us both of us off and then he went back home and then he dropped my my uh my fuy my auntie off to Preston on the way back
unfortunately he had an accident and he passed away on the spot unfortunately so because he dropped me off in Dal and I said now that's it I'm going to continue my journey of this alimia now and I'm going to go to the end inshall so that's the time I made that intention and uh alhamdulillah coming back to your question sorry that uh you know some moments were in alma uh there there were few important moments you know at the
time when My my my father passed away. I was hazard knew and then when my brother passed away, h actually like a figure fatherly figure told me you know to go home go every day your mom needs supports you know. So goes to me that you need to go home and at that time there was only one or two they were bringing students and teachers.
So he was the office from black and so he had a space in his and man Alisab and myself and a few other thingy teachers we would travel together from blackburn and u basically this was a worry because we never had mobile phones on in those
days. So obviously my mom would be worried that has you reached or not when I reach then I have to go to the phone box put a 10 p in phone mom I've reached and then sometimes in doom you know things would get late and you leave darum late and she's worried at home you know why is he not back home yet and then you know basically because there was tension so much so I only did that for a short while and then I just decided know you know because I was in when my brother passed away and after
that did 1986 with my mom uh with took mom to Hajj. So she's feels a bit you know that I went with her. I was 16 at that time. Then we went for Hajj and after Hajj I that's when I decided I'm going to continue my my journey of Alimia and uh this up and down up and down became a made of bit of a worrisome travel. So then I I decided I'm going to stay in Darum now. So then I stayed in Darum for another two years. So I finished and from I started up down
again. Okay. So by that time alhamdulillah my younger brother I I leave him from that room. I said you stay home now take care of mom take care of the family and then obviously our sisters got married and uh further on then his time came. So my actually brother's wife was my mama's daughter and it was only 3 months into the marriage and unfortunate this happened. So then later on what happened is my younger brother alhamdulillah got married with my bab. Alhamdulillah. So
she stayed within the family. So alhamdulillah. So then we got him married so that he can start off his I said I'm going to do my marriage later on after I finish my my studies. So at that time hazal was a very big motivation for me. Alhamdulillah. And I would really try and pray namaz behind haz all the time. We were small small kids but you know it was Haz alhamdulillah Haz just presence
was immense. Subhan Allah. And Haz smile and his love and affection and it was just hazali which we was we would we we would try to uh follow his you know his his his way and his his his style of clothing and his whatever it was you know we try to we try to be uh tried to follow him in any aspect as we could. So that that's where it was. Mashallah. May Allah subhana wa ta'ala grant your father, your brother the highest levels of
genital. Mashallah it's it's really inspiring to see that you know mah you lived on from their motivation their inspiration and what they saw in you and you carried out and all of that becomes a means of for them I can't thank Allah more but Allah tala made me do that for their forb for my beloved father and for my alhamdulillah beloved brother Husseinham so grant them the best reward in I think also a very important lesson that we take from this is um the life as
a student is not going it's not going to be easy and uh I think this is a very important lesson for us today that sometimes the smallest of challenges whether in our studies or in our personal life we begin to feel as though no I need to drop it and did you feel like that? Yeah, I I think that's a very important point, Mala. Very important. Today, what's lacking in our students is that they are not ready to give sacrifice. Sacrifice of luxuries. Won't believe in that room. And we were
in that room in the 80s. There was about 350 students and there was only like two bathrooms also. Wow. And and one of the bathrooms door, you know, was not even is a bit loose as
well. You have to you have to mend it before you go for a shower and subhan Allah and everybody was ready to give that sacrifice you know and that upon the sacrifice that's the verse always came to my mind if you give sacrifice Allah will open up the ways of inshallah so we saw as a family no there was there was very less complacency in today's day and age we have to deal with a lot of complaints Not only from students, from
their parents as well. Yeah. But in those days people were happy, students were happy to give and Allah tala blessed us I think because of the sacrifices that we were giving for the sake of dean. Yeah. And haz nurturing us and you know he was mentoring us in such a way that we have to accept what you know how we are what we are what we get fed. Don't don't be complacent. The moment you're complacent, you lose the baraka, you lose the connection, you lose the
mahaba, you lose everything. And that's what I see lacking another today that the students the the the mindset today is more about how we can have a comfortable stay, how our bedroom should be first class, everything should be right. I'm not saying no. I'm not say I'm not negating that in any form or
shape. But I'm saying the jba and the spirit M of sacrifice is somewhat lacking in the students and siblings of Ilm if they can become a means of inspiring people to have this jba to have this spirit of sacrifice they'll go along with inshallah so um you came to the end of your studies how did you decide what next like we see a scholar before us today you know serving there's a very a story you know started did the the 40-day air with our jabat. Wow. Subhan Allah. So we were
the first we were 40. Wow. So in my jamaat we had one is from manashir and many other alhamdulillah ahmed zindi. These were all of all of my classmates. Mashallah. So there was 40 of us and one day comes in the classroom and he goes so we chill. So he's going to send us out or something you know. So then he says this is a book and he took some pages and he says make photocopy and everybody
read this. So he gave us those copies and it was about our Mash doing of 40 days 40day and they said and there was some of our students were my classmates were a bit bit mischievous let's put in simple terms. Yeah. So they were a bit naughty. So, so basically if they're mischievous came out good out of Allah says so whatever you know out of whatever they did good came out of it Allah tala and put into the heart and mind to formulate the so we were the
first jamaat in 1992. Alhamdulillah, we sat in mashallah and alhamdulillah we sat for 40 days and whilst we were invol we were all discussing because this was the discussion of uh the D hadith students what next what next everybody so some says I'm going to go Medina to study I'm going to go to Egypt to Cairo to Azar to study I'm going to do this I'm going so there was a lot of gray area say what do we do now because at that time obviously we weren't really acquainted with academic education as
what we have in today's day and age that we give them the provision of GCES and A levels and all. So we never had academia to that level and alhamdulillah we had our scholarly alim ali but where do we go
next? So then uh Allah tala created means for me in literally 20 30 yards in front of my house is a masjid masid anul Islam tri street mosque as it's known so that was my local mosque and obviously I was in dy hadis and what happens is a few years before that it was the satanic versus rushi issue and the imam he was quite involved in organizing talks and things like that so he used to go out on the weekends. So he would say Friday. So I was I would
check good. So I would leave sometimes whenever there used to be holidays sometimes and then he would tell me. So one or two Jumas I did and that was the starting point. So that's when the the local committee they approached me and they said oh m you're going to
become far soon. uh we'd like you to serve in our masid as an im with so I thought oh I I I had a desire I had my intention I'm going to go Medina I'm going to spend few years there and then I'm going to do so I had a lot of things in my mind what I wanted to do I already put my application in for Medina University with the other of my colleague Sam etc but then uh I went to hashimab give him shif And whilst I take off I went to him because h was to speak openly with haz
was a bit of a bit of a barrier. So was a bit more softer in approach. So I went to say he goes He said to me, "If there's a plate full of fruits and you have a desire to eat the fruit, so if there's a fruit there, there's There's a knife there. There's a plate full of fruits. What will you do? There's a platter of fruit there and you have a desire to eat. So what are you going to do? So I'm going to cut the
fruit and I'm going to eat it. Says look you spent six years well 9 years took the three years of hs you spent all this time here in Dulum and the whole purpose is that you get the service of dean. You can serve dean. And what better service can we get than imams? And I remember one of us used to say to us is a great service. So he goes in my mind and said this. So basically leave your intention for going Medina or whatever take up this
Allah will open up the way. So alhamdulillah this was an allah created means he already like they came offered to me and then I accepted it. So alhamdulillah after far I went to India first got married and after getting my obviously my my marriage was already
fixed by my mom was Mala's daughter. So obviously went there did nikah and came back and then after that mashallah I started imam and imam gave me a lot subhan allah it gave open up so many doors for me subhan allah and Allah put so much baraka in the imam because interacting with people and mashallah alhamdulillah the the the the joy that I got by alhamdulillah trying to serve the people was unthinkable you know alhamdulillah because I was young in age and the other imam was elderly in age So
a lot of people would approach me and ask me questions and they'd feel more comfortable asking me things and then I would start regular programs in the masid you know dy Quran hadith this and the other I was very active at that time I was the youngest Englishspeaking imam in the whole of Lancasha that was my title at the time 1992 there was many that were graduating with me but in the whole of Lanasha they told me because I didn't know that myself there There was no masid
which had an imam which was graduated from uh from Darum an English speaking British bornhham. So I was the first like in the whole of Lanasha. So there was a lot of focus on me and at that time I gave a lot of interviews to you know TVs and all that stuff as well. They they came and take interviews with me and I actually asked I said should I give this interview because I was a bit hesitant because there was many issues I was dealing with drug issues and all these stuff I we were trying to deal
with. Uh so Muslim action against drugs. So I was part of that organization trying to help Muslims go away from
drugs and things like that. So through immedah granted me a lot mah a lot of baraka came through that alhamdulillah I gained majority through the speeches that I gave and and then the interaction with the people alhamdulillah that that motivated me to do more alhamdulillah may Allah accept it from you um just as some couple of concluding questions very briefly mah even now you're very involved in various organizations right now you're mashallah heading or part of the management of the
lancasher councils of mosques mashallah are looking over the the work there as well. Um how important is it for scholars particularly like young graduates to be involved in community
work leadership? I think one dilemma that many young graduates find is this hesitation like why why should I do it right there's so many others uh in your time like you said fewer so there's a need now I think there's been somewhat of a shift in a sense that especially like in places like Leicester Blackburn some cities where mah there's a great influx of what motivation should a young graduate have to continue serving in some form in his community? I think it's is very very
important. I've actually tried to encourage a lot of ama even less amas. I've I've communicated with them when I was obviously I was involved in a lot of work because of my nature my charitable work as well that I did and everything else I was doing. I was involved in a lot of community aspects, a lot of community work and I got involved with the Lakash council of mosques many years back uh as one of the volunteers and then I came into the honorary officers and I served as the chair of Lanka
Shakasov for more than my term. The full term was four years but the keeper kept me keeping this stick because I was I was we were going through the covid uh years as well and it has a very difficult time for you know people at the time of covid and they needed guidance and direction and I was involved so I I did about six years of serving as I'm still part of lanasha council mosa senior I think honorary officers but I saw the role of alim very very important young need to get
involved But we then time to say we complain sometimes that oh this organization is doing this and this organization is doing that. But if you can't bring the change from outside you have to be within to bring the change. Absolutely. You have to be within. There will be things that you won't agree with. You have to understand you they will everything will not be perfect. You will have to make your way in slowly gradually you know every because you're dealing with not one only
one mindset. When I was the chair of Lak ID, not only do I had BU, I had Shia. I was dealing with all different types of people. You have to try work together collectively for the main aims of the Muslim community. Absolutely. Collective aims you know we don't go into we don't go into but the Muslims needs are we need to address and you only can address the Muslim needs if you are collective together. United we stand and divided we fall. It's simple and one voice will
make a lot of difference. So these platforms that are there you know the the council of mosques or organizations like this I think need to be involved with that and then we need to try and bring a change from within if we are out and then we be complacent or this organization then it doesn't work that way if we part and parcel we can try and bring the change inshallah and I've seen personal experience I've been involved in so many organizations when you're there they have respect for you they
will understand that you are coming from an Islamic perspective. You are a scholar of Islam. Your your scholarly presence will make the difference and you have to guide the people accordingly inshallah. So young m have lot of opportunities whether it's chapency whether many other things that they go into but it's important also for them to be involved community work. Many am from all around the country actually they contact me and say well how did you deal with this and how did you deal with
that? It's it's it's a collective effort. Absolutely. Inshallah with the way we if we gel into it, if we stay into it, we will see definitely there will be good results inshallah. Inshallah. Inshallah. Finally, concluding, is there anything um that you'd like to say to the listening um as a I know mah in throughout the podcast you've given a lot of just anything that's been on your mind that you'd like to share with? I think the main thing I would say be focused.
Be focused on the purpose of study. Sometimes I see our students they drift away because the focus goes away and the attention goes away. They have other priorities.
You know in Sabak I always tell students look I've seen many students in my life that they unfortunately get involved in you know in in so they get involved in small small businesses like selling mobiles and selling this and selling and then the focus and they are a very bright child very bright student but then the focus shifts towards being a successful businessman the focus is shifted so be focused that is my my main my main uh request students and strive hard to gain what you've come in for.
Be focused and strive hard. If you be focused and strive hard, Allah will bring out inshallah beneficial results inshallah and results and outcome will be to your benefit inshallah. Very pertinent advice for that. We have a segment at the end of a podcast uh a quick fire round question just one or two word answers. Um if there was a influential figure or a scholar from the recent past that you would like to sit with um who would it be?
I've all traveled as well's presence is a and obviously there's so many I mean and and I get inspired when I see so I mean it's I can't pinpoint one it's the they have all the colors and the different different things that different different uh at different stalls in different shops you
get different needs. alhamdulillah when you go to a different you get different you know satisfaction so I I couldn't I wouldn't be able to pinpoint one absolutely um from the subjects that you studied were there any subjects that were your most favorite you look forward to which one initial stages uh you won't believe one of my favorite subjects was surf subhan allah and then I got to teach surf as well for many years. So then everybody
in Moab loves surf right. So one of the topics I used to love was surf and the gardans and everything you know and then adab adab was my favorite thing. Alhamdulillah I learned through a lot of the
I learned a lot. So alhamdulillah and obviously the the satisfaction you get because was obviously we had the standard jal we had the and all that stuff but and a hadith you can't compare because that was alhamdulillah and what not but uh the some of the subjects was you know the the good subjects was Arabic so I I loved Arabic and uh I always wanted to speak Arabic and in the first two years you won't believe it uh I would just go out I alhamdulillah um in in in Ramadan with haz kaflas as well
and I just would go to the baz I just speak Arabic just how I knew it. You know, I just not worrying about mistakes. Not worrying about mistakes. Subhan Allah. And eventually, mashallah, alhamdulillah, blessed me to converse very well in Arabic. So many times when I talk, where have you learned Arabic from? As I've not been to no university, you know. So the the practice yeah the the the practicing upon speech you know that motivated Arabic motivated
me. So alhamdulillah you know the the the the kutub of adab they inspired me to learn Arabic speaking because we need from the text and this is one of the general problems we have. We know we're masters of the Arabic text but when it comes to when it comes to speaking Arabic then sometimes we fall behind. So I had this inspiration alhamdulillah I was speaking so that my would say you can hug for me. So so this was one of the inspir Arabic was my alhamdulillah was one of
my things. And as a final questionh who are your assert for the alhamdulillah he taught us Muslim shar alhamdulillah and he taught us the whole of bkari. Alhamdulillah both jails. Alhamdulillah and taught us. Alhamdulillah. with an immort. Alhamdulillah Sharif and also Malikham was alhamdulillah. And last but not least, he taught us. Every was a gem. Subhan Allah. Every you know you you couldn't everyone was a gem. Subhan Allah. And we gained so much from them. Subhan Allah. So much from
them. Allah tala bless them. Allah tala. Who are who passed away. Allah tala grant them for those. Amen. Allah give them the best you who are alive. Allah keep their shadow amongst us for a long time. Amen. We'll conclude on this note for taking out your time once again. You gave us so much time. I know we ran slightly over. May Allah subhanaa t reward you and for all of you listening as well. Alhamdulillah staying with us throughout
the uh the episode. Alhamdulillah it's been amazing speaking to our respected sheh. Sheh is also the father of one of our volunteers our active volunteers Hamdan. Um inshallah if we have if we had more time we'll love to bring him in and speak to him as well and speak about him as well. Mallah he's very inspirational. He helps a lot behind the scenes with siblings of you've seen him
as a course coordinator. He's starting the zoom sessions off mashallah emails responding to social media messages on behalf of siblings of posting and so on. Mashallah and he's also doing a lot of in terms of charity work in terms of uh mashallah dawa and so on. May Allah accept him. For the last 10 years he's been an inspiration for
me. Alhamdulillah because of his long-term illness but even with that the motivation he has of doing of and also charitable work that has been involved with and the deployments that he's come with me alhamdulillah so mashallah my inspiration for the last 10 years has been my son for his baraka through his blessings alhamdulillah like we know the You know grants us risk of alhamdulillah
through his presence. Alhamdulillah because well because of him I get to meet many sometimes I I get access to things because of himless once Love God.