Welcome to Meeple to Meeple, uniting players around the world. A 30 minute exploration of PJ and Gareth's four-game experiences from across both sides of the Atlantic. Each episode they share their thoughts and opinions on the World of War games, including their favorite themes, games, hot topics, and much, much more. Welcome friends to Episode 82. Expand Your game. We're going to talk about board game expansions. As always, I remain PJ. And I am still Gareth.
Hello. Gareth, man, I feel like I haven't seen you in like weeks. I mean, I guess I haven't seen you in weeks, but I feel like we haven't spoken in a while. Feels like a long time. But we did just talk about it's. Only a week ago a. Week ago. Yeah, this week's been this. Well, I've been mega busy. I haven't really been chatting. You have. On Instagram. But the madness is well, this week is intense. But once we get through this week, we've got the Games Expo for a few days to relax.
Well, are you really going to relax? Well, I've got we've got a few people to see, a few games to check it out. We've got some Instagramers to hang out with. So if you don't get a chance to relax Auk Games Expo, I just want to say I'm sorry right now. And then, yeah, then we've got a family party because. I've told everyone they've got to go and find you and say hello and I think that's. I've got the badges, yeah, I've got about 15 meeble to me with badges, and I found two
stickers. Did you? Yeah, so if anyone wants a badge, come find me. Yep. On Friday or Thursday or Friday. Or Saturday. Or Friday. Or Saturday morning at breakfast. Breakfast Saturday morning. That is your last chance if you're at UK Games Expo. Games Expo. That's it, That's it. Saturday breakfast. Right expansions. Yeah, before that, will you be wearing a Viking hat or something while you're at the no? What will I be wearing? Probably my ball game Maple T-shirt, which is what I
normally wear. Blue. You be in blue. Blue or black with the Maple on the back. It rhymed like a. Pocket and you didn't even know it. No, so when we said we'd go to expansions, I was like, I'm not, oh, I didn't think about this. And the more I thought about it, the more down in deep into my mind of what is an expansion? What's the definition of expansion? And like looking at some of my games, I think one game I've got 65 expansions to which is like zombie side.
And the reason for that is every mini when they did the Kickstarter is an expansion. Yeah, but I don't, I don't think that's an expansion in my mind. Well. It's just an extra piece, whereas yeah, anyway, we'll, we'll discuss what's an expansion, What is an expansion? I think this is an interesting conversation and was one we kind of touched on. Is like, So what defines an expansion? I feel like an expansion comes
in a box. Not not a sleeve, not an envelope, not a foil packet, but a box at the minimum. Minimum. It has to come in its own box, separate from the core game, and it cannot be played without the core game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I said I was looking at things I'd received recently where there was plastic envelopes lying on the side and the amount of Kickstarters or game found or whichever funding
channel you might want to use. The game had arrived and it was like 2 cards or a card or something else. And it's, if it was supposed to be in the game, they should have put it in the game. You know these stretch goals. And that's that's a different, that's a different conversation, but I agree. Yeah, Ball Game Geek, because it's an expansion pack. That's true. I'm like the amount of games I have where I just don't. Maybe people need to tell me something.
An idiot. I just don't throw it in. I leave it in the box. Stop being an idiot. Just so it's the expansion shouldn't be in the game. So should. Be in the game to start with. So as an example, I would suggest at the now we're back to minimal, right? So I'm holding up in front of me. You can't see a Bagareth can. It's a very small box for ISS Vanguard and it's story dice and it even says story dice expansion. So it comes in a box and the content are two dice.
It replaces 2 dice from the actual game and but. What's different? So they do. They do different things. They do they glitches and just a component replacement it is. So yeah, so you have so this is this is the danger dye. The danger dye is like an 8 sided dye. Now they've they've made it like a sphere and there's rules, extra rules. So depending on your result before in the base game it was this would happen. Well, now it's this would happen
and one other thing but. Does that, does that fix something? And do you play with and do you use? Them it enhance, it enhances something and I do use them. OK. They're really cool. They're totally unnecessary. Why wasn't it? Why wasn't it in the base game if it came? Because they because when the base game came out, they hadn't even thought of this. This was OK, so it's not. It's not getting an extra at the time it came afterwards. It's a true expansion.
OK. Yeah, it is a true expansion. So that's the minimum, very, very basic minimum of what? An expansion. That sounds sound. So my mind is the problem I think that we're running into in this conversation is that there's, there seems to be, in my opinion, my humble opinion, there's just too many expansions
for games. And it's hard to know whether an expansion is worth acquiring and adding to your collection or not until you get it. And then you're, you know, we, we were talking about what were we talking about? Scythe. No, what game do you play? And you only play the bass. What were you talking about? You open up the box and you Nemesis. Nemesis. A is an expensive game, B the expensive. The expansions are generally new minis with a slight rule twist. Right.
And then and they're like, Oh no, £30. And there's so much because the game plays so long, there's so much replayability in the base game. Right. That I've gone how am I going to get a get this to table and B am I going to get the table and want to play with the expansions. Now some of this is wise learnings from being a ball game collector. That's. True. Sure, ten years ago I would have gone all in and bought everything just because there's this FOMO. I'm just wiser now.
Or less stupid, I. Mean that's true. That is true. We were. But then I look at the games where I talk about expansions and the ones I play, and we'll cover that in a bit, that I always put the expansions in the generally older games because they release the game and then two or three, a year, 2-3 years later, oh, it's an expansion and you drive sales of the original game and you drive sales of the base game. Whereas these days games, certainly crowdfunding games,
come with expansions to boot. Right. So I, I also think that an expansion should expand the game experience experience. So we talked about Ticket to Ride and it's like, you know, you don't really. I mean, all the Ticket to Ride expansions are are just alternative maps with a new rule or feature or twist, right? So, but they expand the game because some are better than
others. Yeah, so I've always, I've, I've got the base game, I've got Europe because of the collector's edition, but I've never, I've never felt the urge to go, you know, I need another map because ultimately it's the same game with a slight twist. But I'm happy to be educated. Or maybe there are some maps that are better. I just. There's a lot of them though, isn't? There. No, you're right and it it's true most of them are just maps.
However, I would I would argue that the United Kingdom is really a good like it's. A great place. No, I'll tell. I'll tell you why. Because of. The tell me why? At the start of the game, all the players are limited to the nation of England. You have to purchase rights to expand to Wales, Ireland and Scotland. So the the board is limited at the very beginning and that is really cool. And you can only claim routes
that are one or two trains long. You have to build technologies to claim three to claim 4 to do ferries and various various other things. It's a really unique experience. It's probably my favorite map to play for Ticket to Ride, with one exception. That's the Nordic countries, but that's not a reflection of the expansion. I have a really high win ratio against KD. That sways the I must play the expansion because I might just, I might just win. I like, I like it.
I need to note that down. But the UK is really the UK is really worth it. And then it's it's double sided. So the other side is the state of Pennsylvania in the USI mean, it's cool. It offers a it offers an additional way to score points. And that's kind of, I think that's where expansions really disappoint me is when all they add are more ways to score points. Yeah, yeah, well, some extra tiles or yeah, an extra resource
it it just feel lazier. I try to think of expansions these days that that I've I've always added in.
That you always add in. Yeah, or like I got and then went, yes, we played with expansion when it's so it that makes it. But then I think, I think going back to how many times we play games, because we don't, we cycle for our games very slowly to you, it's pretty rushing back to you in a minute, OK, When a game comes back on our table and it might have expansions, expansions in the box, if I've got to refresh the rules, I'm like, oh, I've got two.
Rule 2. Particularly if people come over and say, can we play X, I'm like, yeah, we're going to play the base game because they, I can't remember. And they play the base game and then we say, yeah, really good. We should play expansions. But then next time they come over, it's three months later. Yeah. I think Scythe is a good example of that. Yeah, I think the scythe we always knew, always, like we say, 80% end up playing the game.
Right. No, I agree, because it's like I got to remember this rule and that rule. And no, I'm totally with you. That's a good one. And the other one we talked about was Western Legends. Yeah, that's that's staring at me right now because it's a because it's the big box and I open it. It was worse when it without the big box because when you open that box up, they're in they're in Poly bags. You just went oh, like what's what? Even with the storage solution, there's so much game.
So much. I think have I, I don't think we've played with all of it. We've definitely played with with the older expansions like the Train, but there's bits I think we've never even got to table. Which? So which is another lesson. When it hits our table, which is maybe twice a year. Yeah, that's the problem you see. We always play with everything. Everything. But we do it because it only hits the table twice a year,
right? Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Otherwise, otherwise, I think I think we would just play the base game because, you know, but it's like, all right, we're going to spend a day, we're going to play Western Legends, we're going to pull everything out. Same thing. Yeah. So Scythe and Western Legends, I think, are two really good examples of games with so much content that it's just easier because you know the core game so well. What about?
What about Wingspan? Oh. So obviously core game, they've got Oceania and European Europe, Europe. And Asia and the nesting box with the two player cooperative so. If you exclude the two player cooperative, do you play with all of the cards and the nectar or do you? So interesting. I always play with the nectar. Always. I don't always. I don't always play with all the cards. Recently we've recently we've reset it back to literally base game. Base game.
Only only, but I think because of the Asia, we hadn't played Asia and we thought we'd just start with Asia. And then I was like, maybe we just play base. And then I then I haven't that. I've just got packs of cards I've not gone back to because the base game is actually quite nice and it's known, yeah. Yeah, I think the problem with Wingspan, it says there's so many cards you're not going to cycle through. Yeah, all of them. You've also got shuffle a lot to get it to get it randomized.
Oh my God, a lot. See, I saw Matt. Base game, Yeah. Yeah, Base game Wingspan. Game. Too many expansions. What was it? I was just thinking of another. Oh, OK, so another game that suffers that problem, but the expansion is necessary, so flip the script just a little bit. Yes, Arc Nova. With Marine. Yes. So Arc Nova has way too many cards, just like Wingspan, but Marine Worlds has a mechanic that allows you to cycle through the card. Yeah. It's about the same.
Yeah, I, I think it's a great example where I think we've we've got Marine in the box mixed up and I think we would always play with it because of that. You get to get through this, get through the cards and it doesn't, it's not a massive rule change. No, really, it's nothing too complicated in there. Not really. I think that's key. I mean another one that I mean, I'm sure anyone who knows me off Instagram will know that I'm a huge fan of Vitti culture.
But only if it's only if it's got Tuscany. Yep, like the base game. The base game I'll teach to new players if I want somebody to understand some like worker placement mechanics. But if it's it needs Tuscany, which obviously is. I think it's the essential edition these days. Which is funny because it's the essential edition. Of. Seeing that Tuscany is essential to play. Yeah, in the culture, yeah, particularly for the four
season, four season board. OK, so there's some people who don't share that opinion about Tuscany, so say more about the seasons. Like what is it that Tusk What makes Tuscany so essential? I. Can't. I can't meet all the modules but it's. But it's the seasons when. I say I play, yeah. When I say I play Viticulture, I am thinking of my version with Mamas and Papas and the the four season board because it just gives you a bit more depth.
It gives you a bit more control about the cards it gives you. It gives you a bit more, I guess, weight to the game. Because. Because two seasons are no longer passive. Yeah, right was it? And you get, yeah, you get spring, summer, autumn, winter, right. And you and you get the the wake up mechanic, the rooster. Yes. Which is do I do I pass earlier to get and wake up earlier to get them to get better spaces? Or do I leave it it just it just feels like a more complete game? I agree.
Yeah. And people say, because I say I play Vittico, I love Vitticulture, but people look at me with a oh, that's a bit average, but in my head it's whatever. The modules that we get out, we play with most of them. We still cycle some of the older ones, the original full, the full scale Tuscany box. Yeah, but yeah, that's the one that I would never not play.
And when I started thinking about this episode, there's a lot of games I found where I'd think I would only play with an expansion, even even if that requires me to learn some extra rules. So Arc Nova and viticulture are two of them. Yeah. What other game would you play with the like a must? So I'm a huge fan of Civilization games. I love the Civ builder, right? And there's two based on Sid
Meier's computer game. There's one that was released in 2011 and one that was released, I don't know, 2018. It's not, but it's newer, called New Dawn. The original Civilization is my favorite. It came with two expansion boxes that got released maybe a couple of years apart. And they are both absolutely necessary to have the full sieve feeling.
One adds adds a different combat mechanic and some new sieves and the other oh, now I remember I think it's trading, but they just adds 2 elements of the computer game in that you need this must have it makes war better. And yeah, I mean, it's it's a a table very often. Mostly because whenever I reference it, everyone who plays the game with me says that I'm aggressive.
Nuclear Warfare driver And there there was a game when I played it and everyone would thought I was being really friendly and I found some plutonium. I fired off nukes, nukes to everybody. And that was the end of the game. I was the winner. So it's never got to take the table, the game. It's not that I'm an aggressive player, but so, so there's that.
And then there's Civilisation, which is the New Dawn version, which then which is OK, it was simplified rules had had the the same mechanic as or very similar mechanic to Art Nova where you put a card in it, it moves across. 4. Or five cards. And then he added, I think it's Terra Incognita, which again added a number of elements to the game. And I think this is Fantasy Flight Dues quite a bit. It's bits that should have been in the core game. Oh, sure.
And then so you might have had only 5 objectives in the whole of the base game and they added another 5 in just to give you a bit more variety and mix it up, but it should have been there to start with. Yeah. So Civilization games, two of them from the same same breed. If you like both, IE absolutely would always play with the expansions just because it makes it feel complete. Yeah, I can. Yeah, I get that. I definitely can see that. How about you?
Any other games that you? So unfortunately, I'm thinking of games with expansions that are not necessary. I'm thinking the opposite because because you just took, you took my top two, you know, Arc Nova and Viticulture, you got to play with the expansion. I'm just thinking about games that don't need the expansions. I thought, I mean, there's loads of games that I've got expansions for which I just
don't add. It doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't need it. It's just I think it's time. Time and learning. So. Is a is a challenge. Let's talk about I'm. Just going to go look at my. Or Leon? How about or Leon? We were talking about it beforehand. So that's one that is a great example. So I think it's got the core game. I'm like it's I'm going to get some going to get some board game geek stats because I reckon, but it's a bit quite, I think it's a good working
example. So released in 2014. Rank 32. Yeah, pretty solid. It's. My favorite game, The solid game. Not only has it had expansions, it's had its RE implementations as well. That's true. It's got 27 expansions. Wow. Of which I think there's three, what I would call proper expansions, right? So more recently, last year, I think Essen 23, there was the plague. The plague. We don't have it, but you do. I've.
Got it, it it it mixes up the event deck and a little bit of a new structure because everyone is ill. OK. Then prior to that was trade and intrigue. Trade and intrigue. 2016, which we always play with. It's called a different, a different. It's the board where you can trade in lights. What's it called? So it's like the intrigue board but I've forgotten. Yeah, yeah. It's a ball where you it's like one position and it gives you coins or victory points, right?
And then prior to that, after that, there was also a price that was all your invasion. Invasion. Invasion is cool. It's really alters. It alters the game because it makes it cooperative. Yeah, and you've kind of got everyone's coming to attack. So Eulio is in Katie's top five games ever and and we both love cooperatives. So when the Invasion expansion came out. That's perfect. We had to have it, had to have it.
All of the other expansions are singular tiles, yeah, which they sometimes they're a pack of three, like promo. I mean promo one, promo 2, they came in one, two, three things. So you just said the keyword promo, promo, and I think that's the distinction. Yeah. A promo does not an expansion. Make Yeah, I think that solved it. Well, is yeah. Is he a promo? I don't think a promo in an is necessarily an expansion. It may expand. But are these promos? If I said that word, no.
They they are. Didn't get a cards, but it did come as a set of three. So it's a promo to me, something that people give away, a trait like a UKGE. This weekend there'd be a card that will be exclusive I think for a shuffle. Everyone's getting excited because there's a card that's going to be handed out at UKGE that's exclusive. It's just a card, just a good for the good for complete, complete completionists. But that probably is a promo. Right. Yeah, yeah. Get hold of them.
Yeah, that's another, that's another interesting points on their expansions journey. That's a that's a good question to pose to to our listeners. Yeah, is a promo expansion or what makes. Is a promo an expansion or what makes an expansion? Or what makes yeah. Send us Adm on Instagram, Spotify. Yeah, well it's a good a good case study. 2014 20/15/2016 Two expansion boxes. Yep, nearly 7-8 years later,
another one. There was a spin off because there's only old stories which I've never tried. So it's really good. You can play it twice where it's unique, but after you've played it twice, there's no reason to play it again. Yeah. So what was it like A legacy? It. Kind of. More like a campaign. OK, Yeah. It's it's two campaigns. You can play both of them twice. They each have two different outcomes, right. But then, then you're done. We sold it because we played it, right?
We completed both the campaigns and we were like, yeah, we're done. We're done. There's there's nothing else to so. So yeah, yeah, what other games have I got in my list of the truckers? Always play with the river. Well, always the river. I agree. I. Agree, I haven't got any other expansions apart from maybe there's there's a pre something that came in the box which we've never added. So all right, Carcassonne, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to confess. So when I play Carcassonne, we
play with all of the expansions. Oh yeah, we say. Oh. I know. Oh. It's like 55,000. No. And I think there's like 12 expansions that we have and. How many are there? Oh, what is that? Because Is that because you've mixed all in and you just can't be bothered to? That's that's exactly why. Here again, Parker Zone, How many expansions are on board Game Geek? Oh my God, how many a. 183. Wow, OK, I don't want that but. Because there's so many single tiles, so you've got loads of
essence spill 11 tile bounces. Oh yeah. So here's the problem. Here's the problem with the the promo, Carcassonne with all that. You take what's a really good one hour game and you turn it into like 5 hours. I'm yeah, we're playing for five hours and I'm like, I'm just done. That is an Angel, isn't it? That's a great. Tiles. How many more tiles are left in
the tower 6? 100 and. 5. That is a risk that some some expansions just bloat it for the sake of having an expansion and it makes it no longer any fun. Yes, and I've tried. I've sat here and I cannot. I can't really think of many examples, but that's not to say there aren't any in my collection, I just can't remember. So Carcassonne is a great game. You have to play it with the river expansion, but a lot of its expansions just bloat it out of control.
Oh, just remember 1. Yeah, lay it on me. The suit of happiness. Oh, you played that? I have, I haven't. I didn't. I've never played with an expansion though. So I always played with at least one expansion, really, because it's yeah, because it's got lots of, it's got like lots of random decks of cards that spices things up. But we did a while ago play with all of it apart from the promo
packs, Everything, everything. Because there's like the dreams and there's community and it was, it was really good, but did it. We enjoyed it because the best bit at the end of it is telling a story of your family and what you've done. But to get there, it was a chore because there was so many cards, so much admin. But yeah, to think about adding things in a lot, a lot of cards let. Me ask you, let me ask you this
question. I think it's worth kind of closing the end of the conversation a little bit, maybe. How do you feel about games where when you buy the you buy the core game? There's clearly room for more expansions in their little insert or whatever. And so so that means that the publisher or the designer designed a game, released a game knowing that expansions are coming in the future. So it's like they're intentionally, you know? A really live example would be Expeditions.
Jamie's just announced an expansion and all the bits will fit in the box and somebody was even pointing out where they will go. So there's a which I haven't decided whether I'm going to invest in or not, but yeah, I think that does. So I do like the forward thinking and thinking, hey, I've got, I've not got to get another box or I've had a few games where they've had to send me a, I've had to buy a new box because the existing box no longer holds any of the expansions.
And you've got, you've got, you know, I guess big boxes all along, right? So I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about heat pedal to the metal. So is that similar? In terms of it's got lots of space for future. So it is because we got the game and then the recent expansion Heavy Rain came out and we have it. So in the insert there's a space for the joysticks, right? Your your gear shifter and there's clearly space. I remember one more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like.
So, so now I know there's at least one more expansion to Heat. You know, Heat's a great game and I love it and I love all the game, all the race tracks. It's, it's fantastic. But I'm a little, I'm like, dude, just give it all to me at one time, you know? That's not commercial, that's not business. I know it's. I know, I know that, I know that that's true. But I'm like, you know, yeah, so. So. Yeah. You know, just before we wrap up, I thought I'd do my What does AI say?
Oh well, let's hear what? AI has to say I've I've asked it are ball games expansion necessary and give me the pros and cons. Oh. So ball game expansions can enhance the game experience, but I'm not always necessary. Here are some pros and cons to consider. Pros Increased variety, new characters, new scenarios, all mechanics keeping the game fresh and engaging 2 Extended replayability that can rejuvenate interest in a game, providing more reasons to play again. Yeah, true.
Enhanced complexity for experienced players. Expansion can introduce more strategic depth and complexity. That's my example of Civilization. Yes. Community and content expansions can foster a community around a game, leading to more shared experiences and content such as a fan created materials. Maybe I'm thinking Arkham Horror the guard game where there was some spin offs people. Made their own and.
There's quite a few things, say one game we didn't talk about was Terraforming Mars. So in my research, I think it came out like the highest ranked expansions because everyone said you've got our ad one of the expansions in depending on. Got. To say that's one, that there's one cons cost, that's number one. Purchasing multiple expansion can be expensive, often costing us much more than the base game. Sometimes that's true. Not often. Sometimes.
I think my most expansion expensive expansion additions is too many bones. It's so completist completionist. Oh, I've paid all that learning curve. We've covered some additional rules and components can complicate the game, making it harder for new players to join. It's like a little summary every week, isn't it's quite good. I know I. Like this number? Three sets up and storage expansions can increase the set design. They require more storage space, potentially making the game more
cumbersome. Do you throw your ball game expansion boxes away or do you store them? You know what I do in mind? What do you do? Because it's wrong. If you put yours on the, you put yours as art. I do and. If they don't get as art, do you throw them away or do you store them? I will throw them away. OK, fine. Yeah, I just throw mine away. So here's the interesting thing. I. Recycle them. I recycle them. Right. Fair. Yes, So do I. OK, here's what's interesting.
I'm staring at my wall right now. I've got four. I've got five boxes on my wall above my game shelf. Four of them are expansions. Yeah. I've got landmarks from Cascadia, I've got heavy, heavy rain from heat, I've got late arrivals for Isle of Cats and I've got blood money for Western Legends. They. Have nice boxes. Yeah, but then I have wingspan because I got the nesting box upstairs, so. Oh. Yeah, that's good Boxes though.
Yeah. Yeah, and often when I, when I break a box up, I always pop out the sides, it's flat. And then I think if I just got the face has got a knife, you know, and sliced out the box neatly and then got a box for him, they'd make really nice artwork. And then I would. Yeah. And #4 which I don't think we really covered was compatibility issues. Some expansions might not integrate well with others, causing imbalance or confusion.
Oh oh. There are there are there are expansions that make the game worse, that may be better for three or four players and less so. What about just thinking about June Imperium and the new June, which is really. Oh yeah. That's that's a discussion as well. I've got played. And so suddenly, ultimately where expansions are necessary depends on whether sort of expansion necessary depends on your enjoyment of the base game and your desire for additional content and complexity.
Basically, you don't need a Mavimal. Do your research. Hold back. Right. It costs money and cardboard. And cardboard, which is bad for the environment. So So what we need to do is we need to and I'm going to do a shameless plug because I know you're going to see them at UK games Expo check games, right? CGEI know you're going to see them are. We talking about SETI. Yeah, they need to use more of that RE wood environmentally friendly by product for the games.
Yeah, about that, because that's in Kunta Hoora. The good news is, is that in the UK, every couple of weeks we have a board game raffle on Facebook and I've just won a board game. What? As it's imminent e-mail, so on a you know, thank you board game raffle people, I shall go and choose a game just just in case I need another one. I shall know what. I shall let me know what I choose next week. And how many expansions does that game have? I'll have a. Look and I'll choose one with
that expansions. So. Good topic. So let's let's recap really quickly. I think we mentioned a lot of games, so we've got two columns here and I was writing them down as we were talking. So these are games with expansions that you don't necessarily need. There's ISS, Vanguard, Nemesis, Ticket to Ride, Scythe, Western Legends, and Wingspan, all really fantastic games in their own right. You don't have to get all their expansions. Some are good, some are bad.
Go back and listen to this episode and you hear what we had to say. The second category, these are games that you absolutely must play with an expansion arc. Nova Viticulture, right? It it's it's essential. It's essential. And then civilization, the 2011, right, 2011 civilization. Is that correct, Gareth? Yeah, and and the new Dawn version 2015. Yep, ish. Maybe earlier, later. And then or Leon? Or Leon. Carcassonne with the river, but you don't, but you don't need
everything else. And then, of course, terrifying Mars with Prelude. That is our combined list to cover our 2082. Yeah, it's a good list. OK, then I next you're going to do an episode with somebody else next week because I'm at the Games Expo. Let's not say that it's until you've got one because I'm at the Games Expo. And then the following week we'll be back and I'll have some sound clips and we can talk about who I saw, what games we played, whether I got a chance
to chill out. So I want to I want to put out officially. So you made a comment. That's what did I say? Last week you made a very, you made a brief comment, you complimented John for filling in for you from the week before. Oh yeah, you you made a comment that we should have more fill in hosts when one or both of us can't make it for an episode. And I got some responses from that. This is excellent news.
So I've I've had three people volunteer to fill in if either of us can't make it. And so I think we're going to make, let's make it official. If anyone's interested in being like a 'cause we want a cast of hosts. Oh yeah, yeah, it'll definitely help. To cover multiple topics at different times, please send us Adm and Instagram. Let us know that you're interested. Grab me at the show.
Yeah, person. If you see if you see Gareth at UK Games Expo, myself at Origins or Gen. Con, which is what we talked about in Episode 81. You. Can help us out? That's great. It's cool. Well, with that. Blah blah, do a thing. Thanks for everyone for listening and hopefully see some of you next week. If not, we'll be back for a little chat. See you soon.
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