Hawkeye Wrap Up: What Lessons Can the MCU Learn? + Special Guest Sean (Captioned Life)

And so podcasting really gave me the opportunity to connect with Kevin on that front and then with you all and with so many other people, to be able to just have people to talk about with these things, when you get excited about it, because it's, you know, there's nothing more sad. I feel like when you want to talk to somebody, you just don't have anybody like, you know, Right there with you that, that you could just talk to me about this stuff.

So I really love the fact that podcasting has been able to do that for us. So I'm so

I think what really got that conversation started was there was a conversation about diversity in comics. And we were just talking about how, you know, we were three white males and we want to see more diversity in comics that we support that. And we're just like, you know, gosh, it'd be such a great idea to start a podcast around that. And the three of us were like, yeah, let's just do that. So we, we got together and our first year when we did that, kind of did it like leisurely.

So we didn't really have a plan in terms of having a regular set schedule of like what we were going to talk about or how often we're going to release episodes. We're going to just try to put episodes out there whenever we could. And then just talk about whatever we wanted to talk about. And so when we first had our meeting to kind of figure out what we're going to do with the podcast at first, we were thinking about.

Having something that's more related to comics and education, but then the more we discuss it, the more we were just like, we didn't want to really pigeonhole ourselves into such a specific niche because we also wanted to open it up for like other conversations we might have or might want to have, you know? And so sure enough, later on, you know, this is our third year, we've actually opened it up a lot more to, um, not just comics, but things in pop culture.

So Kevin and I have a really deep seated love for Disney. And so we there's been a couple episodes where we're talking about just all things, Disney related. We've had people on the show that's whether they are. Comics creators or artists, or they're somehow connected to it, or maybe even be adjacent to it. So for example, we had somebody on the show named Jonathan Bell.

That's a cause player that, uh, his message or what he does as a cause player is that he likes to spread positivity around the world. And so he really became famous as being known as Seattle Superman and came on our show. It was just really fascinating to talk about what he had to say and, and, and what he's hoping to do with that and how, you know, the character Superman inspired him, not just to do that as a cosplay, but just also as a person.

And we've also had other people who, again, have not been. Directly in the comics industry been been affected by it. So we've had like a college professors come on and talk about how comics actually had shaped and impacted societies throughout the ages and things like that.

And so, so really we've kind of developed this podcast to be something that gives us an opportunity to talk about things that we're interested in and have conversations with other people about those same topics, but also create a platform where when people are doing really great work that have like a really good message, we want to be like a megaphone for those people to be able to share that message and to get that word out there and to support them in that.

So when we were first trying to come up with a name, like I said, we were thinking about something in comics and education. I think, um, Kevin had a really good name for it, but then when we decided that we wanted to do something, that's a little bit more broader that has something to do with comics, but maybe just something that's, you know, it doesn't have to be. Completely around comics, but it's somehow connected to it and kind of be broad enough.

That's where we kind of settled on the caption life because, you know, we know that captions are something that's in comics with the speech bubbles and things like that. And that way always kind of brings it back to something that's comics related as much as possible, but it's not honing in on a specific niece that keeps us locked in. If we ever wanted to discuss something that may not be. Comics, you know, directly, but it's somehow connected to it.

Like, you know, having people who, um, have been interested in like superheroes or something that, um, is like Disney or universal or, or anything that is kind of in or of that world in a sense. So,

But I, I appreciate you saying that, you know, you really enjoyed that episode cause we really enjoyed that one as well too. And we felt like we learned a lot from that as well, too. So. Yeah. And one of the things I didn't mention this before, but one of the things that we've started to do with our podcasts being in our third year now is that every time we have a guest on, we did this with, I think we started with either David papers or Ebraheem Mustapha, but we started to do a game.

Whenever a guest comes on, we try to do like a fun little game that's centered around what they're talking about. And so every time we have a guest on, we try to do a game with our guests. And Kevin does a fantastic job of coming up with some really fun creative games. And what's funny is every game that we played with our guests, somehow I keep winning. And at some point I think our audience is going to be like, this is completely reg. I assure you, it is not rigged.

I just keep getting lucky with this, but I, I, we keep hearing from our guests that they really enjoy doing the games with us. And that that's one of the reasons why we keep doing that. We think that our listeners really enjoy playing along with those games as well, to this.

So, you know, in addition to be a podcast or also, you know, video editors, I can, um, you know, take videos and throw them in premiere pro and, and do some editing and stuff like that. And, and I'm usually the one. Um, creates a lot of our social media videos. I haven't done a couple of them in a while or anything like that, but I'm the one that usually puts them together and, and posts on our social media accounts.

And one of the things that I was interested in is, is I still want to do something along these lines, but I thought writing would be just a really good skill to have, because I know that no matter what kind of job or career or interests you go into writing has always going to be a big part of that. And writing, I feel like is something that.

I'm good at, but I want to kind of improve myself on that skill in case I ever, you know, go down some sort of career where that might be something that would come in handy. And so I saw that comic watch was looking for people to review TV and, and, um, films. And so I applied and they took me on and I've really been learning a lot in terms of how all that works.

Uh, with that being said, I'm still learning how to write a good review just because, um, I, I kind of tend to write like what really interests me. Um, but I'm trying to also, um, figure out like what people are really looking for. Like, are people wanting to know, like, is the story good? Or do they want to know like the technical aspects of the show or the film, like, you know, the production value of the acting, the writing and things like that.

Um, and so part of it is trying to figure out like what. Really are people looking for what helps them, um, and, and what really drives that engagement with that. Um, and another difficult thing is that we're kind of given a task of writing a review within like 500 to a thousand words. And I got to say like, there's been times like wrote a review and then I did the word count. I was like, oh my gosh, how did I write over like 2000 words? Like, I was like, this, this is like, not nearly enough.

I was like, I hope I made 500. Then I saw that number. I was just like, what? So it was really hard. So it was really hard, like go back and like cut things out. But I mean, you have to in order to kind of fit that parameters. And so, um, I would say it does feed into that because I was reviewing the Hawkeye, uh, episodes every week it was coming out. So I was doing that for comic watch. And as you all know, it was also creating a one-shot episode for our podcast.

I'm doing my own review for that. And so there was a lot of overlay where as. Highlighting points for, uh, the review article for comic watch. I was also carrying that over to the podcast episode. Um, but again, you kind of have to write it differently because the written word is very different than the spoken word.

And so you kind of get the outline in the thought process a little bit, um, and you do have to adjust it, um, to fit the medium as well, too, because again, writing a review for comic Watts is very different than a podcast when you have your own structure and all that, and, and you know, format. And so the outline is something that kind of does carry over and you can carry over some of the things that you've written, all that.

Um, but you do have to do a little bit of adjustment, but with that being said, it's just a lot of great practice to kind of hone in on that skill. And I think improves us. Uh, podcasters as well too, because you know, we have the right show notes and, you know, it's it, you know, podcasts is not just about, you know, putting something out there. You have to be on a lot of social media channels and you have to know how to write good show notes.

And, you know, if you're really into SEL, you have to know how to do that as well, too. And so, um, I think writing, uh, reviews for comic Watts has really helped with that as well. So.

And I said it earlier, but I want to make sure that people know it is comic hyphen watch.com and all of these will be in the show. With that being said, though, if you downloaded this episode, then you know, we're going to be talking about our Hawkeye season one. Wrap-up so this is going to be a chance for us to talk about the series as a whole, uh, talk about the things we liked, the things we didn't like as well as storylines that we feel have lingering threads.

So to do this, we are going to be talking spoilers, which calls for the spoiler zone. So you're going to hear an audio cue and on the other side, it'll be fair game for all spoilers in the MCU. We'll see. On the other side and we're back. So, Sean, I mentioned this to you earlier when we were swamping DMS, but it, I think this is the first time that we've had somebody on for the wrap-up episode. And it just so happens that this is their favorite show of the Disney plus show. So far.

So as I'm about to ask what you liked about Hawkeye overall, I am genuinely excited to, to hear you follow your bliss in, in stating what it is that you liked about

And so they're, so they're all really high quality shows, but I, for me personally, Hawkeye has been my favorite one that they've created so far. Um, for a lot of reasons I'm probably going to get into it. So, uh, stop me at any point for like, you know, three hours in and we're like, okay, we haven't gotten to our next point yet, so sorry.

Um, but you know, there's a lot of reasons why I enjoy the show and as a comics fan, one of the main reasons why I really enjoyed the show, and this has been one of my favorite is that it's primarily inspired by the, uh, fractional Hollingsworth run called Hawkeye the saga Barton and Bishop. Right. And, uh, this one was really fascinating because I, I didn't read this until about maybe two, three years ago when I was reading through this on Marvel unlimited.

And I can't remember why I decided to read, uh, This first issue. And so I remember reading it, um, and it was like the first issue that they had that run. And I was never been somebody that's been too interested about Hawkeye. Um, oh, now I remember actually by, by read somewhere that historically, um, Hawkeye has been, uh, deaf or went deaf and hard of hearing. And as you both probably know, um, I'm actually someone that was born with a hearing loss.

So I was born with like, um, 25% loss in both ears. And so when I heard about that, I was like, oh, that'd be really cool to kind of, you know, see how they did that in the comics. And so I read this issue and I, it was one of the few runs I just could not stop breathing. They like couldn't, you know, put it down. So I, I was reading this on Marvel unlimited, so I couldn't really actually put it down cause it was my tablet.

So I couldn't like swap out the next issue I had to hit read next this year. Right. So I wasn't physically actually putting anything away and swapping it out, but like every time I got done with it, like I just kept going to the next issue next issue, because it was just a really well-written story. The art was fantastic, in my opinion, I think aha does a great job with it. Um, but it was just a great story overall.

And then when I saw the trailer for the Hawkeye series, it was just like watching your comic book, come to life because it was a lot of inspiration from that run. And so, um, so that's one of the reasons why it's been my favorite. Um, the other reasons, uh, as I mentioned before, is that I am somebody that has hearing. This show has great representation for those of the hard of hearing and the deaf community, as well as people with disabilities, because we saw that echo has a, as an amputee.

I think her right leg is amputated. Yeah. Yeah. And what's interesting enough is that, um, the character echo and the comics isn't amputee, she is deaf and she is a native American, just like the actress, but the actress is amputee. And I thought, what was great about the showrunners is that instead of hiding that fact, they actually just wrote it in as part of her character.

And I think that was a great way to be able to have those conversations and so representation, uh, for another community and be able to give them screen time and to have a conversation as a community, as a whole to talk about like what that means. And, and the fact that, that wasn't something that held her back. And she's not just, you know, identified by, you know, what she's not able to do, but.

The fact that she's still able to, you know, kick Hawkeyes, but, you know, it's just something that I think it was great to see on the screen. Right. Um, and as I mentioned, echoes native Americans. So I, I, I can't remember if we had a lot of representation in the MCU with native Americans, but, um, yeah. And so I think this is probably one of the first ones that we have. Um, and so we have great representation there. Um, I could keep going, but if you want me to stop and pause,

And just, and just kind of when it, when it came out or when, when they realized, and it was like, it just showed kind of my own worldview and how they were able to play into that, you know? And just like, no one said no ones, the majority of the people aren't going to realize that see alarm. Right. You know, cause that's just not what they're used to. That's not what you're seeing. Um, you know, and, and, and I love that, that they were able to play into that.

There, I love the way that they used the mix of not just sign language, but the, the subtitles. With the lip reading and when she looked away, it faded out like you just like, you really got a sense of, of, or a glimpse maybe of that experience. And that was just really phenomenal for

And I think that's, you know, pretty accurate for someone who, uh, was born with hearing and then became deaf later on. Um, but you're right. They did a great job of visually representing what.

Audio experience sounds like, and I got to say, I got to give a special shout out to the audio engineering team who did this because they get a phenomenal job of showing, uh, showing of audibly, um, giving that experience to the audience members, what it's like to have a hearing aid and what it's like to be deaf, because I think a lot of people assume that if you're deaf, that means that you can't hear anything and that's not necessarily the case. You can still get like vibration sounds.

So when you, when you see it from Maya's perspective, that's why the audio never really cuts out completely. You still feel or hear a little bit of a rumble or, or, um, you know, murmur and things like that. And that is a, a pretty accurate, uh, experience from what I understand. Um, and then for someone who has a hearing aid, like I grew up with hearing aids and so whenever. Clint took the hearing aid out.

I was just like taking me back to second grade because that's exactly what it sounded like when I was taking my hearing aid out, you know? So they did a phenomenal job of representing that. Yeah. That's amazing.

So not only was it an educational for someone like me, I'll speak for me, like of not having that worldview. It added to the narrative by putting us in the shoes of people like my, or people like Clint. And one of the scenes, I think that stands out for me is that that scene in KB toys where Maya is, is speak or communicating. Clint. And she is under the impression that he can sign. And once she realizes he can't, that's when Kasi steps into interpret for her.

But that bridge of understanding it created in that moment of her wanting to communicate that way. I think it helped deepen who she is, because up until that point, it was, oh, here's just your antagonist. Oh, here's an interesting insight into her world and the way that she views things. And it's just, they, like I said, just to circle back, it wasn't that they were just representing people on screen. They were really putting on a demonstration of what that life is like.

And I, I really enjoyed that as well.

And I wonder how many people have also, you know, watching this show would like to learn American sign language, uh, because this show, and I wouldn't be surprised if it went up, um, because as well too, but what I really appreciate is that when I was listening to Kazi during the signing, I wonder if the actor who played him a. Has had experience or just got training on how to do it, but he did a really good job of speaking like a, um, interpreter.

And what's interesting is that I don't think a lot of people realize that with American sign language, it's not just knowing how to, um, sign with your hands. But part of the communication is all body language communication. So it's not just being able to sign things, but to also physically, uh, express like some of those emotions and kind of like really lean into that as well too. And I think they did a really good job of kind of demonstrating that.

Um, you know, and again, I think I remember talking about this when I thought it was odd at first that they had Clint learn, uh, American sign language because usually people who, um, go deaf don't realize. Learn American sign language, unless it's like really detrimental. And it seemed like Clint was okay with having a hearing aid, um, and being able to hear things fine. Um, but I was, I was speculate.

I was like, I wonder if that's how they're going to tie it in with echo because she's deaf in certain up. Like that's how they make that tie and make that connection, but also kind of show the very experiences of people who are hard of hearing and part of the deaf community is that it's not all, you know, the same as, so it's like even when you have that representation, being able to show that diversity within that representation, I think is a really great one here.

That level of, of communication in those scenes, I think hit that much harder, like the way that she was able to, to show that, that look on her face. Like it just, it underscored those scenes for me.

Well, I will say that the F the finale on the ice, I thought it was your kind of your typical action, but other than that, the, the moving in the car, the bridge, um, the action of Yulaina and Kate through the offices, then kind of that tracking camera, all of those things were something that just the overall show. I just really, really enjoyed how they were able to present it, because it had that.

It makes me think of winter soldier, just that what the Russo brothers did there with that, that handhelds kind of close up to the action to really make you feel it, as opposed to this big wide shot, right?

I absolutely loved that scene where, um, Clint Barton does that flip over the stairwell and then he's on his side, but 60 arrow that hits, uh, Kasi and, and, um, uh, cuts the restraints on Kate. Because I remember when I first saw that scene, not, not fund the episode, but we saw trailer. You saw him like sideways. I remember thinking like, that is really weird. Like why do they have him sideways?

Because everything up to that point was just a standard, like 16, nine ratio of like what you see in the movie. But then it's just like, is that like an editing mistake? And then when you saw that. Oh, my God, it makes so much sense. And that is awesome. Yeah. And I will say that the access sequence on the rooftop, like what you were talking about, I think was really fantastic because it integrated a lot of different things.

Cause they, you know, there's essentially two locations that they were shooting from and they did a good job of like cutting back and forth between the two different fights that were going on.

Um, the one complaint I did have about the accident scene was that there was one point where, um, Maya Lopez was kind of like on her side and she kits, uh, she kicks Kate and then somehow Kate goes flying over that, like opening in the rooftops where you think she's going to like fall in there, but she ends up like hitting the other side and fall safely. But that was like a, a, almost like a seven foot. Uh, distance from where she was kicked to where she landed.

And I was like that that's, this seems odd because Maya Lopez does not have, you know, super strength or anything like that. And from the way she kicked he's like that wouldn't make sense, like, you know, physically or from the law of physics or anything like that. Um, so that's the one thing I thought was a little bit odd, but other than that, like all that, the whole entire scene, that tight fighting was really good too. Yeah. Yeah,

And kingpin was definitely, I mean, the fact that the man, you know, pretty much goes on the scale from being blown up from a bomb underneath him and is able to walk away from that. Like, you know, that's not realistic at all. And so I know there's been a lot of controversy of is this actually the same king pen, even though Vincent Denofa has said, you know, they they're treating it as it is, or is this really, you know, a variant king pin or even a scroll and somebody has suggested as well too.

So yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. I, I agree with you, Trey. I think it's a very different one than we saw from, uh, for the Netflix series for sure. Um, but part of that is that, you know, the Netflix series is, is more, you know, matured and darker and you can't really do that on a Disney channel show. Right. But, you know, I, I think the fact that, you know, it's a huge difference in terms of like physical abilities.

Um, you know, it does kind of make you pause and think about, you know, is this actually the same king pin or not? So, yeah.

Who's trying to get back home to his family right before Christmas be known as Disney ruined Christmas for everybody in the MCU. Right?

And I know we'll get into it a little bit later, but that's, that's why I was convinced that Laura Barton was an agent and stuff and, and Y how I would now that road of like, okay, we probably won't see Fisk, like, are we going to get somebody that big in the end and something like this? And then that's kind of how I convinced myself, like, we're not going to get this, you know, uh, you can just, you know, we have that media vocabulary built in and you can kind of figure out some pieces. Yeah.

I can admit he was a little cheesy in the first Avengers, but I still liked him, but it wasn't until winter soldier that I think that people started looking a little bit more like, oh, okay, this is, this is a really cool character, you know, a little bit deeper than I was given credit for. And that I think is what the Hawkeye series has done for.

Uh, you know, I mentioned it a little bit last week when we were doing our episode with Tara, I have loved watching just the meta conversation go from people being like, oh, I don't really care about Hawkeye to being able to name him. Clint Barton. Now I think that's always a very telling sign. Whenever it comes to the fandom because I've seen it with black widow to Natasha, uh, captain America, to Steve Rogers.

Like that's such a cool bridge to watch, uh, or such a cool gap to watch be bridge in the fandoms and all that, just to lead into the thing that I liked overall. You know, so often when we talk about these MCU shows the thing or shows or movies, the thing we say is, oh, it's expanding the universe, it's expanding this and that. Like, it's, it's making it bigger. The key to Hawkeye. And the thing that I think I liked overall is it deepened the universe.

And I think that is something that is what I will continue to beat the drum for of this series, because it gave us a deeper look into Clint's life, uh, introduced, uh, a better civilian view of what it's like to be in this MCU world. Uh, it introduced a more grounded. Antagonists section with the track suit mafia, even if they were comical, but it even built on that with people like Maya and Kasi and kingpin.

So the Hawk show, I don't think was telling a complex story, but for the most part, it told it really well. And I think that's what I really liked about this series.

Like I never thought about that way, but that's exactly what it did for a forklift Barton and, and even, you know, introducing Kate Bishop, it does that same thing where it doesn't, um, have that whole, there's a universal worldwide threat that's happening, but there's like a street level, um, thing where, you know, it's not going to impact like what happens in the movies necessarily, but it's still a great story that you're going to want to watch it because it's done so well.

Like what you said, Trey. And I think it gives a lot of great insight to Clinton, especially what the aftermath of what he's experiencing everything. Cause I don't think that, you know, with the exception of, uh, Wanda vision, you know, we don't get a whole lot of insight in terms of how people are dealing with. You know, that sort of loss that happen after end game.

And I think they just did a fantastic job of being able to tell that story, especially through the eyes of Clint, who's struggling with, you know, what he had to lose, you know, with his family. Then he had to lose Nat in order to get his family back and how even like this, um, you know, whoever wrote the school or they did a fantastic job of when they were there talking about, or even alluding to Nat.

Cause there's a couple of times where they're not even talk about that, but when he saw Kate Bishop like fall over the roof and you know, it was clearly, he was thinking back to cause he was saying, no, no, no, no. I was waiting for him to say like, not again, because I can imagine, he's just thinking like, you know, this is what happened with Nat and as Kate's laying there, they, uh, brought in the score from board mere underneath

it to kind of support and give you that cue of like, you know, this is. It mostly is happening here. And I think that, you know, that was just a really great way to tell that story. And I think you're right trays that it deepens it and that these shows are going to be a great way, gives them a great opportunity to kind of dive deeper into things that we don't capture in the MCU as films.

I liked it it's very brief, but I liked, it was kind of weird, but going back to New York, 2012 and seeing, and seeing the impact that it had on Kate and, and that story and, and how that impacted her, how, what happened, um, with her family dad died, what did her mom have to do with being a widower, you know, um, and setting all that up. Um, so even the wall, that was a small part of it. I, I like that seeing those big events from other people's eyes.

And then his final scene with like, oh, I got blood on my tie. There is no layers to him, but to being a superhero and a swordsman.

Jack and Clinton knew each other because of that back history, but it turns out they took a different approach with it. But it's really interesting because that character does so up in the, um, the saga of Barton and Bishop that talked about earlier and he's in there for like one, maybe two issues. But, um, but that's what I really love about the MCU is that they take the characters that already exist in the comics and they might be a hundred percent faithful to it.

I don't want to say a hundred percent cause everyone's going to have issues with it, but like, you know, 90%, mostly faithful to it, or they might just take a completely different approach. I love what they did with Jack here because I think it makes sense. I think he, he's a really interesting character in this way and I think it, it fits really well for the overall story here as well too.

And I think it's just, it was really a delight to see him in this kind of, um, relationship with, uh, with Kay and, and Clinton, everybody else as well too.

But, but it is, they did such a good job. Like you said, the sword, it's like, okay, maybe he's not a doofus, but then he's like, oh, you're, you're the Archer. It's like, now you're just okay. You know, so yeah, it was just it having characters like that is really, uh, fun and, and none of is really fine.

It's one of the things trays I try and I have talked about it in some of our episodes and even the movies is Marvel has this tendency sometimes, uh, No undercut, you know, moments with, with this comedy, this, you know, this levity and it's like, no, let that, you shouldn't let that moment breathe. Um, and this series, I think, did that well, uh, they ha they did it well with Jack's character where you had those funny moments and that levity, but like when hock, I went to the Memorial.

You know, and he's, and he's talking and stuff like I was waiting for when the person next to him is going to make a comment, you know, that talk, I didn't know, or whatever didn't know because he took his hearing it out. Uh, but they didn't do that. They left it. So that was what I was also another thing that was really cool about Jack is his, the way they were able to use them for that, for that comedy. But, but still let those really important moments breathe.

And, and I couldn't agree more with him and with what you said, because I think this is one of the more emotionally intelligent shows and the way they let the emotion be the moving force, rather than, than having to make a joke afterward, because I'm thinking of that Memorial scene. Um, and probably one of the biggest highlights of the series. Is the conversation where Kate was interpreting for him, for his son and how much that just knocked everybody over with how impactful that was.

Um, and, and to, to tie it to what I was saying earlier, not only does it deepen who we know of Clint, but it deepens what it is our heroes are actually giving up to, you know, and, and the medicines provide our entertainment, but in the narrative be the hero that they are allotted for.

That, you know, you can, you can marry both of them in the same, um, story with the same character and have a really great show or really great movie by allowing those moments to happen without having to take, you know, make it lighter because of that, because just like we've been talking about it's, it's those emotional scenes that we saw with his conversation with his son and, and Kate having to interpret that, um, you know, th the conversation that he and Kay had about Clint losing

Nat in the, you know, the shot he didn't take, it was the best shot he ever took. Right. And, and the Memorial and things like that, like, those are really heartfelt emotional scenes that, you know, had you made a joke at the end of it. I think what had just completely erase what Clint was experiencing in the whole show. And I think they did a great job of creating that balance there.

I'm just speculating, but it was almost like the show was aware of that and it was leaning into like, no, we're going to let the emotion drive this scene.

And I think is because if he had opened up those flood gates, he would just probably break down because he had to like figure out how to compartmentalize. But I think Jeremy Renner just did a great job of expressing those different kinds of diverse ways of how people handle those things mentally with, with grief and loss and things like that. And, and I think it was just phenomenal. Like that whole scene was.

Absolutely phenomenal from an acting point of view that has such great range from, you know, not just being able to do comedy and emotional heartfelt scenes, but within the emotional heartfelt scenes, they were able to do, you know, even more range with that and go even deeper with that as well, too. So I, I, I love that scene as well for that reason.

Um, and I think that if we had never had Kate and Elena, because that's, what's, you know, kind of taking the social media by storm with that relationship, um, before that moment, Kate and Kate and Clint's relationship was this fantastic because of that budding partnership that they were able to, that the actors were able to display on a screen. I think they did a fantastic job is that as well, too. So.

Oh, I love that. Yeah. It was just like, Kate is just, is that annoying nuisance for Quinn's? But, but, and there was such a great way that, you know, it grows on him and everything, but you know, just the fact that she's able to think ahead, it's like, I know what he's going to do. And I want this I'm going to make it happen basically. And she keeps doing that throughout the whole series. I love it.

I always thought Hailee Steinfeld would have been a great choice for Kate Bishop and she absolutely nailed it with it. So,

She has quickly become a fan favorite across the entirety of the MCU fandom.

It was great to kind of see them have a really. Uh, again, like wide spectrum of kinds of conversations they had, like, it was, you know, a mix of comedy. It was a mix of emotional drama and just, uh, you know, a little bit of like anger and Elena having that, you know, dramatic, uh, exit, you know, she's become a poser, like she called that. Right. Um, but I, what I love about it is that I've heard or read somewhere that, um, when they filmed a scene, I guess they just let Haley and Florida.

Do their thing in their characters for like a long time. And like, I guess they didn't take a whole lot of direction from it and they just had those conversations naturally. So it just, they had a natural relationship, um, that they, or rapport with each other that they build that just worked really well on screen. And that's why everybody just loves them because they were just so fantastic to watch.

Like, if you can watch somebody ha like watch two people have a conversation for that long and be enamored by that. I think that tells you what great charisma they, those two have with each other, you know?

Authentic. And, you know, earlier Jude had mentioned that the action scenes were well done. Um, the thing that I think makes them so well done is the ability to imbue narrative. So it's not just action for action's sake and right.

You know, I know that the scene in the apartment isn't an action scene, but the fact that there's so much meaning, and that conversation going back and forth about trying to basically have Clint on trial, like you had a, Yulaina attacking him and wanting to make her case for why she wanted to kill him. And Kate was putting the things that Clint had taught her to.

And so I just, again, I thought it was brilliant and to pair that with the scene of them in the office building, as they were fighting back and forth, um, that was my setup for the action narrative part. It speaks so much about who Kate is that she has clearly outmatched and yet she still keeps going at Elena and trying to stop her from, from killing Clint.

Like, you know, even though she knows, uh, well, and, and I don't know if she knows, like she's probably still naive at that point, because I remember that, you know, in that same scene where she's like, oh, I'm so glad I didn't kill you. And you is like, oh, that's so funny now thinking that you could kill me.

I think, you know, there's still that naivete that goes along with it, but the fact that she's stubborn and, and ambitious and, um, like motivated and committed to that, I think speaks a lot about her character that we, we see from the comics as well, too. It really portrays on screen very well with Hailee Steinfeld. So, yeah.

And the finale is like one, B, two Loki's, one, a finale, just like just looking at the finale by itself. Loki was finale. It was so good. We just got too much of kingpin. You know, we've already mentioned the pain blown up by the bomb and all of that stuff, uh, for as big, a name and big a character as he is. And as big of name of an actor, uh, that that's getting that's reprising this role actually. Um, I just thought they could have done a better way.

Uh, I feel like you could have accomplished the same things, wrapping up Maya story in terms of like having Kasi die and, but not my having to do it. Um, but also I think there's a little bit of me. For me, at least not having enough handholding on, on understanding Causey's arc. Uh, so like that was the biggest disappointment,

Uh, so those were, those were my disappointments, but to talk about what you mean with the handholding and Kasi, uh, there were external knowledge that I knew because of interviews that frothy had about his character Causey, where he mentioned that it was, uh, that he was there and the karate class with Maya when they were kids. And so without that knowledge, I think it's, it's, it's easy to miss the C thing.

Not saving, but like just the slow boil of jealousy that Kasi had for Maya taking over after her father had passed away. And so without that context, I think it is a little easy to see why that fight was out of place. And so, yeah, I just wanted to step in and set that context for, for people who didn't know that part about Kasi as well.

And really I'll even say this, uh, because I was watching some videos on, on Hawkeye to kind of prep for this, you know, I think there it is a mistake of the show that Kasi is such a cloudy character because I saw people refer to him as her cousin and that they're, they're not related. It's just, we didn't get a clear enough picture of who caused he is not only in relation to Maya, but I think in some of the motivations of the show,

And so there's, so I could see some people probably think of that they were supposed to be cousins in that, um, in that way, because they were probably thinking that because Kasi is referring to him as uncle and Maya's referring to him as uncle that they're probably not really brother and sister in that regard. So I think the.

The term of endearment that they're using, they're probably kind of threw people off a little bit in terms of, they're not quite sure what that relationship is because of that.

Um, but I mean, I think you're right in that, you know, there wasn't Kasi story was probably one that didn't get as much treatment as some of the other ones, because I know, you know, up until episode three, You know, he seemed like he was a very ominous character because in episode one, you see him, you know, looking at Kate Bishop in the Ronin suit when she's across the street. And she just say, you know, pizza dog, um, and you see his face for the first time.

And they kind of set up to be a very ominous kind of looking experience. And then when Clint refers to him as the, uh, general manager of the, you know, furniture store, right. He's like, is that your guys' manager again, he doesn't talk or anything. And that whole scene is so he kind of gives us ominous presence in there. And then it just seems like it kind of got glossed over because they were trying to do a whole lot.

And I think it's probably one of those things where just like what you said, Jude, if they had two more episodes, I think they could extrapolate a little bit more. If you both notice, but hock, I kind of went into this pattern of the first episode. They went into the origin story of Kate. Right, right. And then the second episode picked up right after the first episode. And then when we get into the third episode, it opens with the origin story of Maya.

And then the fourth episode picks up right after where it ends with the, with the third episode. So I think if there were to do two more episodes, Kasi would have been a great one for them to do another origin story, to kind of help develop that a little bit more. Cause yeah. Cause I think just like what you said, I, you know, Kay is really relatively new to the general population.

Uh, my Lopez is an Kasi, whereas kingpin doesn't really need to have that sort of origin story because everybody kind of knows who he is on a conscious on a, like a collective conscious level because he's in so many, um, stories and movies already. But with these characters, you kind of need that introduction. I think you're right. Is that Kasi didn't get that sort of treatment. Like the other ones did. So. Yeah,

And so that's why it's like, well, if we rearrange where Maya goes to confront Kasi and kingpin, and you have that whole section and king decides to do kingpin things at that moment and then Kasi steps in, and then that would also kind of, I guess, even prompt more motivation later for echo, assuming that's working, Ben shows up again, and I realized there's this comic storyline that could be played out here, but it just felt for this story. It would have been better to do it this way.

Uh, you could S I still feel like they could have had Kate save her mom from kingpin without having to do that particular battle again, because I know you want to show that basic hero's journey. Right.

I learned from the mentor, I have to show now that in and take those lessons and show on my own, in terms of scaling what we're used to seeing with Marvel of like the scaling up in powers and leveling up Kate Bishop went from origin story to way beyond what I think naturally would've progressed right there from what we're used to and that's, and that's where it just kind of like, okay.

Um, and then again, kingpin is just such a looming presence that they could have, I think, had some patients and held onto that a little longer.

I honestly believe that this is not the last time we've seeing kingpin. I think he's going to show up again. Yeah. But I think we're probably going to find out more either in enough, another series or, you know, whether it's echo or another movie or something like that. Um, but yeah, I, I, um, yeah, yeah. I see where you, where y'all all going from that. And, and, um, I, I think what they did with kingpin, I think I I'll be honest. I think the actually.

Did what they should've done because well, you don't want to do is you don't want to bring a character like that. That ends up overpowering the entire finale, uh, by having him be like the main villain that they fight, um, at the end. Right. Especially when he has shown up at this point, because then, you know, from a screenwriting point of view, like how do you make all that fit and make that make sense? And it's, I think what they actually did.

I, I, in my opinion, I think actually made a lot of sense from not trying to have the other stories, get overshadowed by, um, putting a whole lot of attention on kingpin, because then we probably wouldn't have, um, as much of a emotional impact with the resolution that we get from. Uh, you Elena and Clint and some of the other stories as well too. But, um, but yeah, I definitely agree. I think Kasi story is, um, something that's a little bit of a kind of scratching your head with that. So

And so naturally when you get to the end, you want to have that resolved. Right. And I know there's no way that they can actually make a men's for everything he did as Ronan, because he did go on a brutally Savage murder spree. Right. But I thought he was smart in the way that they, they gave us an in with tying his actions as Ronin to the life of Maya and.

The thing where it starts to fall apart for me is in episode five, whenever they have that confrontation with Clint and Maya, it came across to me that Clint was talking down to Maya. There was never an, an ounce of remorse or apology for what he did. It was talking down to her like, Hey, we're weapons. And if we don't control our anger, we get used. And this is what happens. If you come at me or my family, again, I will kill you.

That just felt like in contrast to so much of what they were doing with Clint and trying to humanize them and let him open up. And I thought that would've been such a great. Moment a character growth moment for him to really have that honesty and sincerity with, with Maya. And we ended up getting it in a way with the way that he opens up to Yulaina. It just, it felt like they missed out on that closure with Maya.

And even in the finale, even though I liked that episode a lot, it felt like it was a missed opportunity that there are zero scenes with Maya and Clint. And that to me is a misstep because it doesn't finish Maya story either. Like so much of what was motivating her was the death of her father. And I don't need to get that closure at the end of this show, but the fact that we didn't get much progress other than a hint at it being Kasi felt like another misstep for me.

Uh, so that, that's what I would put as my biggest disappointment of the show. And, and to throw to you, I, I want to know, I mean, do you feel that way or do you have any points in the.

Yeah. Um, I, I think there's a couple of things that probably the writers were probably fighting up against is that if you have that scene with Maya and showing that sort of remorse, I think that probably would have taken away the emotional impact that we're trying to get with Yulaina and Clint from when they talk about Nat, uh, because if you have like two of those kinds of moments with that same character, like I think it tends to get overshadow because they're kind of

similar in terms of that sense of remorse. Um, but I think with Clint. Here's the sense I get is that I think it's less about him atoning and more about him trying to put it behind him, because I think it's, um, I, I think we would love to see him kind of a tone, but you know, at the same time he was trying to kill like bad guys in his mind. Right. And so even though, you know, Maya's father is like really great father to Maya and everything like that.

And when you put it in context, like there's still the tracksuit mafia and we don't know what was going on at that time. But I mean, there, there's still criminals. Did they deserve to be killed? Probably not. You know, but I, I still agree with you, Trey. I think that is something that they kind of fell apart a little bit is that he, he could have at least said that, you know, at the time this is what I was facing.

And he made that connection about how they're both weapons that were being guided, you know, blinded by anger, but he could have still a lease. He didn't have to have like a heartfelt. Reaction, but he still could have at least acknowledged that what he did, you know, affected her and shouldn't have happened and at least acknowledged that. And so I think I agree with you with that trays, that there should have been some sort of acknowledgement with that.

And I think that was a missed opportunity. I don't know why they didn't put that in there. And I do agree, like it was kind of odd because it almost seemed like Maya's no longer mad at him. And I get why, because, you know, even though he killed him, he killed him. She now knows that he was ordered to kill him. It wasn't just something that he just did, you know, Willy nilly. But at the same time, like I, I've never experienced, you know, a loss of a loved one from murder in that way.

I can't imagine that like someone just kind of lets them off the hook on that regard either. So, but in terms of my biggest disappointments there I say there are four things, you know, ranging from like just a small thing to, here's probably my biggest disappointment. Um, I will say the first thing. I'll be honest, and this is probably a hot take, but I was actually disappointed with Rogers, the musical.

And here's why, and because I think there's a lot of things that's really interesting about that, that I kind of find it interesting in terms of why I think it was probably, I don't want to say mishandled, but I think it just didn't really impress me is one, is that it's a, it's a musical about an event that happened in New York.

That's probably, you know, still fresh on people's minds about like people probably died from that event or, you know, their lives were flipped upside down because of that. And you're making a musical, that's kind of making light of that. Right. But the biggest thing for me is that have you two ever seen the Broadway show?

All the production theatrical and the sound effects and special effects that they do with all that is just top notch. Um, and when I look at the costumes that they use for Roger's a musical, it legitimately looks like a high school put on this play because Thor's costume was or hoax. Costume was literally a guy with green face paint and a hoodie. And ant man was a guy wearing a baseball Jersey with the PIM, like symbol on front of it.

Like I would have expected it to reflect more of a Broadway show, especially with the theater that they were, it was actually a Broadway theater. I was, I was kind of, I guess, disappointed by that. The other, I'll say my other three things, I'll let you to chime in whenever you want with, with all that, but I'll just kind of throw these three things out and then I'll step back.

But the other thing was, I was really disappointed that they didn't really do much about Maya's native American heritage. I love that they hone in on her, uh, deafness and her relationship with her father and everything about her, but they did nothing about her native American heritage. And it was a missed opportunity for me in episode three, where she has that conversation with her dad at bedtime, talking about dragons.

I'm like that would have been a great way to introduce some sort of native American folklore as part of that conversation instead of dragons. So it's just really, I thought it was a huge missed opportunity. I hope they rectified that in the echo series that's coming out later, but I really want to see that become more of a focal point for her character as much as I love Kate Bishop and love Hailee Steinfeld. I think by episode four, I was over. Kate's maturity level and her early over Clint.

And that's how I felt like it. And I go back and forth on this because I was just like, I, I get it. You know, you're, you're, you're really excited about him, but I think, you know, when she goes to the library and she's like, you know, I'm hock, I's partner slash you know, best friend. Like I was like, okay, that's a little bit too much because like, he's not even around.

And you're saying that, you know, But at the same time, like when you put it in perspective, like this series like takes place in the span of a week. So she's probably not going to come down from that high for a while. I think the next time we S we see her in a season, she's probably going to calm down a lot from that. But yeah, I think for me, I was like, uh, not sure how I felt about her maturity level.

Yeah. Yeah. So, and the last thing they'll say I'm actually really disappointed about is, um, the watch belonging to Lord Bart.

And so it was just kind of interesting, like all the things they could have done about the watch, that's what they led with. And I don't know what, what that was or what the attempt was other than try to maybe connect it to how he was married to, uh, Bobby Morris, who was Mockingbird in the comics. But what's interesting is that there is a Laura Barton in the comics that was married to Clint, but it was like a different, it wasn't earth 6 1 6. So it was a different universe.

So, I mean, that's the only reason I think why they did that. And I didn't think it was like a good enough reason to do that. The other reason that I was kind of disappointed with that is that it still doesn't make sense why Maya and Fisk was after the watch. And the first thing that people would point out is that, well, you know, Clint was Ronan, but I'll point out to him. It was like, well, at the time, if it was Maya trying to get the watch, my didn't know that Clint was running. Right.

Yep. Right. Well, Fisk new is running. And, but in episode six, we hear Fisk talking to Kazi about what's going on. He said, there's Ronan on the loose. And there's an Avenger after us, which implies that he didn't know that they were the same person at that time either. So it still doesn't make sense why they're after that watch. So I think that was like a huge story, like plot hole for me, that just bothered me that they could have done a whole lot of things.

And there was like, so much focus on the watch. And then like, this is what they did with it. I was just, that was like the biggest let down for. Yeah,

And they had that shot of him lifting up his mask and looking very concerned now really realizing that this had become a deeper problem. But again, we unfortunately just never got a broader look at who Kasi is and what his motivations were, but, uh, you're a hundred percent spot on in that that watch felt like a weird centerpiece that never became important.

At that point, it's like, okay, we're going to, I love the LARPers, but we're going to have to go see the LARPers. Now they're going to have to do this. It just, yeah, I agree on that sense.

And then Trey, what you said about Kasi. Like I would say even then that theory still doesn't hold up about Kasi wanting it because causing Clint didn't really know who each other wore, because when Clint talks about the informant, um, it seems to imply that he never really talked to the foreman directly, but that the informant told kingpin, then kingpin told Clint as Ronan to do the hit. And so it seems like they never interact with each other.

So from the first episode, he's still would make sense why Kasi was going after it still. So it's yeah. So it's just, I feel like the more you shine a light on this watch, the more it just starts to melt and was just like, this doesn't make any sense. I was just really disappointed.

Cause it's like, I think the only reason why they introduced this is just to say that Laura Barton was Mockingbird and that was pretty much, it, it was really a plot device that really served no purpose other than that. So yeah.

So starting with me this time, I think one of the lingering things on my mind is wondering what will Kate do now that she doesn't really have anywhere to call home? Uh, she, you know, it starts off with her coming back to New York and just having her own apartment that her mom was paying for. But now that she, or I should say now that her mom has been arrested, is she going to be staying with the Barton's or will she be doing her own.

Like, I'm really concerned about that. But if they were to do a season two, I think what we might do or what we might see is Kate Bishop. My actually become a private investigator LA because that's actually what she does and the comics when she's not teaming up with Clint. And I think the series here has actually did a great job of kind of showing Kate, being a detective already. Cause he's figuring out things along the way very quickly.

And they did a lot of, like, I think there was one scene where she was like taking notes about the tracksuit bros and even like the drawings and everything included was making fun of her drawings. But I think that was kind of like a little throw back to the fact that, you know, she is good enough to be a private ISI. I would not be surprised if they show her being an LA trying to be a private investigator.

And I think will be really cool is if they bring Clint back again, um, you know, more than just a random cameo, but to tie their stories in again, is that we might see Clint run into his brother, Barney, who is also trained just like Clinton. So he's almost like Clint's equal in that regard. And Barney becomes a villain that they're fighting. And so he has to get Kate to help out for whatever reason. So that's, that is where I would like to see season two if they do that.

Um, but that's what they do in the comics is that she's actually a private investigator out in LA.

And they're just going to be tiny people for the rest of their life.

It's like no one else bothered by that fact that there's this huge generational gap, because that means that like Armando cane and all of his subsequential sons, like add children at a very early age in order for him to be at that age and to have a seventh running around there. Right.

Is he going to be, you know, something that somebody that shows up a little bit more, almost this Kate bishops man in the chair, so to speak, you know, that we see kind of show up over and over again and other things. Yeah. So like that's one for me. Uh, as far as lingering question. And for his biggest security firm is we are led to believe that the bishops had what happens now to that.

Um, cause I feel like there's an opportunity where like kingpin can slide in and take that over or is like, she does that go to Kate's like, you know what you know, is this kind of her in, so now I'm super rich and don't have to have a job, you know? Like, like I'm really curious of what happens in that company.

And like not even on the desk, just on the floor and just expect somebody to take it up for her. Right. And, and so I thought it was interesting that they wrote that in. I wasn't quite sure why they did that. And I thought they were going to do something with it, but I don't know, maybe it was just kind of a quirky thing that they had in there.

But in regard to the LARPers, is there, if I take a minute kind of talk about that translation from the comics to who they are in the show, is that in the comics they weren't LARPers. And the whole context of that comics to kind of give in a nutshell is that this is a very different Clinton Barton than what we're seeing in the comic run that I mentioned earlier. Clint Barton's actually. Bachelor. We actually see in the comic run that he ends up sleeping with a woman, like during the run.

And, uh, it, Trey, I, I apologize. Cause I know you said PG 13. I don't know if that falls under PG 13 or not, so that's fine. You're good. Okay.

And so he ends up buying the building from them in order to stop that from happening. And all the characters that you see are LARPers are actually tenants in the comic run.

So grills was actually a very different kind of character, but I think what they did that was really genius is that one, they make them LARPers because just like in the series, the, at the end of the comics, all the tenants actually helped Clinton Cate fight off the tracksuit mafia by just taking up like baseball batch of whatever is around them and attacking them.

So I think that was a great way to use LARPers as a way to show that they can actually help Clinton Kate, because they have some sort of fighting training through their LARPing experience. Right. I love the fact that they also made them all first responders as well, too, because they've made a lot more sense in the context of that show of that storyline. And it's still kind of, in my opinion, holds true to the comic book run from where it's aspired from. So.

So. I think the biggest question, there's a lot of them like, you know, I, I want to see if we're going to get and Elena, you know, and another series of like young Avengers, I want to know, you know, is, are we going to see Clint again by, I think the biggest thing in addition to, are we getting a season two? Is that, is this the same king pin as the one for the Netflix Daredevil series? And we already talked about that.

Um, but I think this is going to be an argument which will be like probably never cause they do a really good job of confirming and denying and their statements at the same time. Like they just do a great job of doing that. They really do. So.

Um, I think this was, um, probably the only show that we've seen so far where we have people that weren't super powered, um, you know, with the exception of Sam Wilson in Falcon, winter soldier, but you have Bucky, who's a super soldier in that regard. Um, but I love that.

And the fact that it's, you know, it's street level type of a crime show that we get that it's something that I think can live in its own little world that doesn't have to necessarily be impacting the MCU general, but it kind of lives in that. And I think that's what made this show really well because it's really reminiscent of the Netflix series that was really successful with their devil and Jessica Jones and all of them.

And, you know, the, the main difference is that it's not TVMA and it's not as dark as that, but I think the stories really hold up really well because of that. Um, and I think that the. I would like to see them still exploring the themes of the aftermath of people coming to grass. Like what happened as a result of end game? Um, I don't think they're going to harp on it too much.

Um, I think they'll probably have a couple of shows on that, but I think exploring, you know, Having a movie or show that dives into, you know, what happened as a result of like this major event from that character? Cause we saw that with Ironman three really well, I think with, you know, with him having PTSD from what happened in New York.

Um, but we haven't really seen a whole lot more to that same depth of what we have with Hawkeye, with the exception of Wanda vision, who, you know, completely, you know, hold the town hostage and change reality for everybody. And so, um, so I think having those kinds of shows where they explore themes of handling those things that happen to them as the aftermath of some sort of major event and kind of seeing that, cause we don't see that with a lot of these superhero movies.

And the first time we really saw that was in Spider-Man homecoming, where we saw that. The D the department David's control came in and tried to clean up New York, but it's like every superhero movie before that it's like, when they just completely destroyed city, we don't talk about, you know, what happened after the fact.

Right. And so I think that's something that would be really cool for them to continue on is to still kind of do that more of a introspection reflection type of thing as they're moving forward with a plot of that helps with the character forward as well.

And I think that is definitely in line with everything you just said, Sean, and, uh, and just real quick, I totally shortened Twitter to Twitter just to mess with Rob, but go ahead. I interrupted you to, to put that in there.

I up until Hawkeye Wanda vision was my favorite MCU show because I just loved the concept of the sitcom and recreating the sitcoms because I remember growing up watching Nick at night reruns and just television and the way they were able to wrap that in to Wanda's life. The family around the TV, watching the sitcom, right. Is that's like what happened?

And it was, you know, a family event then hear the creativity of how they were able to portray the hearing loss, both with Clint, Maya, American sign language, and. And have they really were able to make me feel, get a glimpse or experience, uh, what that is.

That's the big thing for me, there is like in those six episodes, there's an element of creativity that you can do that you can't do in a movie because they're that conceptual or things that I need to teach slowly, the audience and how, and what I'm doing and build up to, to this. Um, and so that's, that's something I really hope they can carry on with. And these Disney plus

Shawn, uh, I think you outlined everything about the street level threats, uh, of Hawkeye that made it really interesting to go on that same token. But on the flip side, I prefer that not prefer, I enjoy that civilian level view as well. I already mentioned how that inspired so much of what Kate turned out to be, uh, everything it gave us with the LARPers, but even glimpses of, to the way the population at large feels by having fantasies, right.

Graffitied on the toilet or the apartment with the mug that says Stanos was right as well to even having Rogers the musical or the way that the waiter was congratulate or not congratulating cliff, but like thanking him for, for what he had done at the battle of New York. Again, as I said in the positive section, for as much as we'd like to say, the MCU is expanded, this show was about deepening it. And I think that's how you do it.

Moving forward by giving more than just the perspective of the people we're dealing with within the stories they're telling. Yeah.

And I forget the name of the actress that's featured in that, but that's actually a character in the comics. And she's, I think only in, for one issue. And what's interesting is that she's in that one issue because, um, she owns this like Manson or this estate and she's selling it and the Avengers are interested in buying it. So they send Clint and, um, Bobby Morris, who was his wife at the time to go and talk to her about buying it. And then.

Trick shot or, or somebody like that came in, um, and was trying to kill the Avengers. And then she, actually, that actress actually tried to save them and she ends up dying for it. And what's funny is when you read the description of this character, uh, they said that, you know, right before she died, Clint made her an honorary adventure. And can you imagine, like, someone's dying? Like, you know, there's just like at the last breath, you're like, I, you know, I Knight you in a venture.

Like I would've been like that. That means nothing now, you know? Sorry. I just said to have to, I apologize, but, you know,

Doing something like that is you can like, let people's imagination and Riley, you never have to confirm it, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

So yeah, episode five, I think was my favorite.

And introducing her as a person in the first 10 minutes, like fantastic, because you're able to kind of set up who she is growing up and what her backstory is, and then be able to just go right into, into the show with that. He had a sense of who that character is. The action was great. The selection of music, the Christmas music that they played underneath it with the song for the, yeah.

But in the Nutcracker and the pacing of it, like just match what the music so well, like they just did a fantastic job with the accent sequence that, you know, that heartbreaking scene when Clinton, Kate, and not all, or a nasal talking. Um, and you know, Nate is just saying to me, yeah, If he can't make it to Christmas, that's okay. And you know, Clint's having that breakdown and, you know, and as a father, like I, anytime there's a kid involved.

Yeah. You immediately think about your kid and I will tell you this. I cried when I first saw that and I continued to cry every time I watch that scene because it was a stat, it was that moving of a scene. And I think it was just sort of a fantastic job. So that one will always be my number one episode of not just this series, but of all the projects that they've had of all the Marvel shows on Disney plus. Yeah.

Uh, cause I mean you echoed pretty much everything that I wanted to talk. I'm a sucker for the story circle. And the fact that that episode begins with Kate and Clint captive and being at odds and not a cohesive partnership to the end where they're captive once more, but they have learned how to be a team like the way that they get to that point within that episode is fantastic. And it evens, it starts with the exiting, the KB toy shop.

It speaks so much, there's so many ways they do this, but it speaks so much to who they are as characters that as they're looking for a getaway car, Kate gets so excited about the charters. Like, Hey, we can take this. And then it pans over to Clint who isn't the more realistic, like, no, let's take this rent, gonna beat it up.

So you have on just a pure action level, the difference between the expectations of Kate and the reality of Clint, and they just continuously do that throughout the action sequences through. Kate translating for Clint and with his son to the conversation that diner of what Kate thinks being a superhero is versus what it actually is. It is a beautiful

I had a lot of fun and I had a blast talking to you all about Hawkeye. I will talk about Hawkeye with anyone at any time, no matter what, and this was just a blast to see what you all thought of it and have those conversations I've been wanting to have. And so this was just great. Thank you very much. Oh,