NITA Program Director and former Resource Director Mark Caldwell joins the podcast to chat about how to effectively communicate with the various audiences in the courtroom to ensure they get — and comprehend — the information they need from you. He shares how to talk to jurors about unfamiliar courtroom procedures and substantive information, why sounding like a tv lawyer is a huge turn-off to jurors, and recommends some of his favorite lawyers from pop culture whose techniques can help trial la...
Feb 19, 2025•47 min•Ep 63•Transcript available on Metacast In Episode 62, Philadelphia trial lawyer and NITA Program Director Tom Innes introduces listeners to cross-examination math and how the idea of “less is more” increases the impact of the questions counsel poses to a witness. Control is the name of the game in cross, so Tom also shares how to shepherd witnesses through cross, why to restrict interrogatories in the phrasing of questions, and why less is even more when examining an expert. Timestamps & More Topics 3:06 How to think about cross ...
Jan 14, 2025•28 min•Ep 62•Transcript available on Metacast In 2021, former prosecutor Steve Wood told May the Record Reflect that to grow as a trial advocate, he had to accept that he is “insufferably boring.” What did he mean by that? And, how can it help you grow as an advocate as well? In this self-deprecating but entirely serious conversation, Steve and fellow former prosecutor Laurie Gilbertson talk about the neuroscience of boredom, multisensory engagement in the courtroom, telling a compelling story, and how it all adds up to self-confidence and ...
Dec 20, 2024•1 hr 28 min•Ep 61•Transcript available on Metacast In this rebroadcast of our 2022 interview, we gather all sorts of admissions—about depositions—from NITA NextGen alumni Jason Young. After taking and defending thousands of depositions throughout his career, he’s no-nonsense and has figured out how to make the challenges easier on himself, his clients, and his witnesses. Jason also talks about the crucial work–life decisions all lawyers face as they begin their careers. Topics 3:46 The hard part of taking depositions 5:55 Federal rules related t...
Nov 19, 2024•47 min•Ep 60•Transcript available on Metacast The wish to leave the world a better place has long inspired people to attend law school and make a difference in the important ways only trial lawyers can. According to NITA Trustee Angela Vigil and Program Director Henry Su, pro bono publico provides an opportunity both to help those in need of legal counsel and to develop one’s oral advocacy skills. In this episode recognizing both this week's National Celebration of Pro Bono and the fifth anniversary of May the Record Reflect , Angela a...
Oct 23, 2024•1 hr 6 min•Ep 59•Transcript available on Metacast When people hear the term “rhetoric,” they often think of words full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Yet that is a woeful misunderstanding of the beauty and power of persuasive language and argument. In this episode rife with back-to-school vibes, Temple Law Professor Marian Grace Braccia breaks down the where, how, and why rhetorical devices belong in oral and written advocacy; reveals why rhetorical devices have an massive impact, even on the cellular level, on finders of fact; refreshes...
Sep 10, 2024•1 hr 12 min•Ep 58•Transcript available on Metacast Some of the most important heads to get into are those of the jurors seated for your trial. Fortunately, figuring out what makes people tick is both interesting and fun, and Temple University Director of Advocacy Programs Jules Epstein is here to share the lowdown. Whether he’s busting common courtroom myths, revealing how the camera lies, or delving into the cognitive process of jurors (and your very own self), Jules makes the case that knowing a little trial psychology can give you a competiti...
Aug 13, 2024•1 hr 8 min•Ep 57•Transcript available on Metacast If you’ve ever been baffled by scientific, technological, or financial evidence in your case or wondered how an expert witness arrived at their conclusions, former Gwinnett County Magistrate Judge Ruth McMullin is back on the podcast to share some know-how. In this episode, she talks about why you need to deep-dive into learning about subjects outside of your college major, what fact-finders want to know about forensics and how to make it easier for them to follow, the subtle things you can lear...
Jul 16, 2024•46 min•Ep 56•Transcript available on Metacast Maricopa County Superior Court Judges Randall Warner and Christopher Whitten team up to talk about telling stories to judges. In this episode, the judges, from their unique vantage point on the bench, reveal what they want to hear or read from counsel, what they don’t, how to write briefs that tell a compelling narrative, where they find inspired (and inspiring) storytelling, and the summer vacations they’re dreaming of. Topics 4:11 Why storytelling matters 7:04 Judges’ versus jurors’ needs 10:3...
Jun 11, 2024•48 min•Ep 55•Transcript available on Metacast You've probably heard that in direct examination, controlling your witness is all about witness prep, while in cross, leading questions are the key. Those oft-repeated tenets are true, say podcast guests Judge Amy Hanley and NITA faculty member Adrienne Johnson, but they oversimplify the specific control techniques that actually work and how attorney style, hearing type, and venue factor in. Tune in as they get specific about the part of trial over which we have the least control: examining...
May 14, 2024•1 hr 12 min•Ep 54•Transcript available on Metacast In our second interview on The Effective Deposition , Program Director and author Carl Chamberlin returns to the podcast to talk about witness preparation. Joining him is NITA Trustee and Program Director Whitney Untiedt, and together they share tips and perspectives on witness prep sessions and how to ready your witness for the procedural and substantive aspects of being deposed. Carl and Whitney also talk about the ethics obligations of counsel and the ramifications of the recent ABA Formal Op...
Apr 09, 2024•1 hr 15 min•Ep 53•Transcript available on Metacast Content warning : Mentions of sexual assault. Brief, non-graphic discussions of questioning the venire about sexual assault occur at 32:20–32:59 and 42:25–44:34. Experienced trial lawyers are accustomed to being the ones asking the questions, but in this episode, NITA NextGen faculty member Adam Kendall finds himself in the hot seat for once. He’s answering our questions about voir dire: building rapport with the venire through icebreakers and humor, eliciting useful information from potential j...
Mar 12, 2024•51 min•Ep 52•Transcript available on Metacast Taking a deposition presents enough challenge as it is without the interference of obstreperous or obstructive counsel, yet it happens anyway and you must be prepared to deal with it. Following her appearance on a NITA panel webcast on depositions in November 2023, Assistant U.S. Attorney and Wilmington Law professor Veronica Finkelstein returns to NITA’s studio71 to answer viewers’ questions about how to manage misbehavior in the deposition room. She also reveals how to be a passionate advocate...
Feb 13, 2024•1 hr•Ep 51•Transcript available on Metacast Cognitive bias is a barrier that lawyers must overcome in court—and it’s not just biases of the jurors they must consider, but those, too, of the judge, opposing counsel, expert witnesses, and even one’s own self. New Orleans trial legend Dominic Gianna returns to May the Record Reflect to talk about how persuasion science can help you clear the tricky bias barrier. He presents the five most consequential cognitive biases to trial lawyers, the impact each has on fact finders, and suggests how yo...
Jan 09, 2024•1 hr 3 min•Ep 50•Transcript available on Metacast Many a young idealist register for law school with visions of Atticus Finch dancing in their heads, but only the rarest few have those dreams come true. NITA Trustee Emeritus and national treasure James Brosnahan is among them. In Episode 49, this legendary legend reflects on a life in law that has included face-to-face encounters with such cognoscenti as Chief Justice Warren Burger, Senator Orrin Hatch, and the Kennedys. He also talks about his viral LinkedIn series on vocal quality and breaks ...
Dec 12, 2023•1 hr 22 min•Ep 49•Transcript available on Metacast Every trial advocate enters the courtroom hoping for a “one and done” decision that favors their client. But appeals do happen, and if you’re waiting until the verdict is read before you start thinking about what comes next, you’re already bringing up the rear. Judge Randall Warner of the Superior Court of Arizona in Maricopa County joins the podcast to discuss the potential appeal issues you should be thinking about during litigation, the pretrial phase, and at trial; what issues are ripe for a...
Nov 07, 2023•51 min•Ep 48•Transcript available on Metacast At a time when more cases settle than go to trial, the deposition has become of utmost significance. Our guest Carl Chamberlin draws upon his experience taking and defending depositions in private practice as well as teaching deposition skills for 30 years. As the new author of The Effective Deposition , the topic is top of mind lately for Carl, so he joins us to talk about how to kick off a truly effective deposition with introductory matters and preliminary and substantive questioning techniqu...
Oct 11, 2023•1 hr 27 min•Ep 47•Transcript available on Metacast Content Warning : A brief, non-graphic mention of a sex crime case occurring from 29:34 to 30:49. Everyone likes to start off on the right foot, and your opening statement is a crucial place to do it. It’s also Assistant U.S. Attorney Brooke Latta’s favorite part of trial, so she joined the podcast to discuss her best tips on telling the right story, using visual aids for maximum impact, and pulling out all the stops to captivate your jurors. She also talks about some of her own openings at tria...
Sep 12, 2023•35 min•Ep 46•Transcript available on Metacast Without a doubt, knowing your client’s case up one side and down the other and understanding and applying the law are critical to your chances of prevailing at trial. But if your demeanor and presentation style lack polish, you might be getting in your own way. Special Counsel to the New York City MTA Inspector General and NITA Program Director Shareema Abel joins May the Record Reflect to talk about courtroom composure, interpersonal conduct, oral advocacy, self-expression, and so much more. To...
Aug 08, 2023•50 min•Ep 45•Transcript available on Metacast NITA Education Director Rhani Lott Choi returns to May the Record Reflect , this time as guest host, to interview trial competition coaches Justin Bernstein and Spencer Pahlke. You may know Justin and Spencer from Unscripted Direct , the trial advocacy podcast for the law school community. Tune in to this blast from your mock trial past to hear about how advocacy skills transfer from law school to law practice to life; the forgotten lessons of mock trial that you should resurrect; and how learni...
Jul 11, 2023•48 min•Ep 44•Transcript available on Metacast You may see depositions as your golden opportunity to preserve testimony, elicit admissions, and test theories—but for your witness, depositions are a veritable stewpot of jangled nerves and apprehension. In this episode, Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Christopher Whitten shares what you can do to ensure your witness walks into a deposition feeling at ease with the process and ready to handle even the toughest questions. Judge Whitten reflects on role-playing, using video as a prep tool, b...
Jun 13, 2023•49 min•Ep 43•Transcript available on Metacast How many of us cue up the “sad trombone” every time we think of doing direct examination? Direct is renowned for being a boring slog through facts and faces as we make on our way to the fireworks of cross and closing. Yet, if you’re not using direct to tell a clear, persuasive story, you’re going to lose your case. According to Judge Amy Hanley and Dennericka Brooks, when you approach direct with the same zest as you do cross, you’ll get the best out of your witnesses, avoid rambling or baffling...
May 09, 2023•54 min•Ep 42•Transcript available on Metacast The profession of trial lawyering has a steep, intense learning curve requiring years of practice (and “practice”) before you begin to feel like you’ve got a grip on it. What if you could shave years off that timeline. NITA’s Education Director Rhani Lott Choi rejoins the podcast to talk about how trial lawyers can compress time through wormholes, slipstreams, and mentorship. Topics 5:00 Time compression through wormholes 22:30 And slipstreams 29:34 And mentorship 34:22 A word about Parkinson’s ...
Apr 11, 2023•47 min•Ep 41•Transcript available on Metacast Being a trial lawyer is a challenging job even apart from the actual, technical work of lawyering in the courtroom. Legal advocacy often places emotional burdens upon trial attorneys that can be a lot to manage. Henry Su joins the podcast to dissect the various stressors associated with trial work and offers his insights into managing stress through mindfulness. Topics 3:27 Occupational hazards of being a trial lawyer 10:09 Toll of adversarial work 14:11 Basic obligations to the client 16:13 Man...
Mar 14, 2023•46 min•Ep 40•Transcript available on Metacast Theatre wunderkinds and storytelling specialists Kevin Newbury and Kate Douglas join the podcast to tell stories about telling stories. Kevin and Kate discuss how universal themes, conflicts, and archetypes can be used as formulas for brainstorming; suggest some practices you should borrow from writing for the stage; and reveal which pandemic-era guilty pleasure can actually make you a more engaging storyteller. Topics 4:27 Translating events into a story 6:11 Why good storytelling is essential ...
Feb 14, 2023•46 min•Ep 39•Transcript available on Metacast If you’re looking for some resolutions for improving as a trial lawyer, let veteran prosecutor Steve Wood be your guide. In this episode (originally aired in 2021), Steve shares the top ten trial tips that always brought him luck. Any one of these would make for an ideal goal to shoot for in 2023. Steve also talks about public service and his lengthy career in law. 2:58 Tip #1 5:35 Why law? 7:33 Tip #2 10:46 Recollections of his first trial 13:23 Tip #3 18:23 Favorite part of trial 25:19 Tip #4 ...
Jan 10, 2023•1 hr 1 min•Ep 38•Transcript available on Metacast Something that concerns trial lawyers more than ever is seating a juror with intractable explicit biases or who believes in conspiracy theories. King County Senior Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Raam Wong experienced this situation when he prosecuted a high-profile, near-fatal shooting of an antifascist protester during a demonstration in Seattle in 2017. Raam joins the podcast to talk about voir dire and deselection tactics, experts and evidence, and checking your own biases at the courtroom door....
Dec 14, 2022•47 min•Ep 37•Transcript available on Metacast This month’s episode features advice and observations from some of NITA’s top judges, who serve as faculty, presenters, and board members. They share their reflections on what they’ve seen from their unique vantage point on the bench and dispense helpful tips for the next time you’re in court. Topics 2:13 What counsel should know before setting foot in my courtroom 10:30 Most common mistake I see lawyers make in my courtroom 17:55 Impressive or memorable things a lawyer has done during trial 22:...
Nov 08, 2022•29 min•Ep 36•Transcript available on Metacast Imposter syndrome is a common phenomenon among lawyers, often starting in law school, where self-doubt about your spot among so many wunderkinds can shake your sense of achievement and belonging. Gwinnett County Magistrate Court Judge Ruth Rocker McMullin joins the podcast to discuss what imposter syndrome looks like when it shows up in lawyers’ lives, how she got out of her own way as her legal career pivoted into new directions, what happens at the intersection of imposter syndrome and implici...
Oct 11, 2022•42 min•Ep 35•Transcript available on Metacast The spontaneity of cross-examination and impeachment often intimidates lawyers early in their trial career. NITA Education Director Rhani Lott Choi and Denver trial lawyer Kate Sandlin have been there, done that — and in this episode, they disclose their favorite tips that honed their skills and settled their nerves. Rhani and Kate talk about how to feel at ease in the moment, advance-prep for the “spontaneity” of cross and impeachment, bring wily witnesses to heel, use demonstratives to pin dow...
Sep 16, 2022•58 min•Ep 34•Transcript available on Metacast 
